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"FAKE Heiress" Gets Netflix $$$ PAYDAY $$$ · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How many hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 1: of dollars did this woman scam all under the pretense
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Speaker 1: of being a rich and influential German heiress. Anne is
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Speaker 1: Netflix pouring gas on the flame. I Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. Who am
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Speaker 1: I talking about? Of course, Anna Sorokin, that's her real name.
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Speaker 1: I think she goes by Anna Delvi and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: there have been many other aliases in between the two.
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Speaker 1: But first of all, take a listen to our sound
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Speaker 1: from Inside Edition. Shea she was a wealthy heiress from Europe,
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Speaker 1: worth more than sixty million dollars, but it was a lie.
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Speaker 1: Anasaurkan went to prison for two years for defrauding banks, hotels,
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Speaker 1: and even her closest friends out of hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 1: of dollars. Her trial drew international attention. This woman made
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Speaker 1: national headlines posing as a wealthy woman. Now, the woman
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Speaker 1: known as the SOHO Grifter is speaking to ABC's Deebrah Roberts.
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Speaker 1: This is the first time you've sat down for television interview.
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Speaker 1: Why are you talking with us? Why not I would
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Speaker 1: like to show the world that I'm not this ungreedy
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Speaker 1: person that they portrayed me to be. You ask her
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Speaker 1: who she really is? Did she tell you? Anna Saurkan
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Speaker 1: is very complicated character. You might believe that Annasaurkan is
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Speaker 1: a very gifted, clever, want to be businesswoman or a
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Speaker 1: complete con artist. And there are many people in her
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Speaker 1: wake who would tell you that she is the classic
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Speaker 1: con artist. Why can't she be both? Why can't she
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Speaker 1: be a great business person and the ultimate scammer? I
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Speaker 1: see her as both. Take a listen to hour cut
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Speaker 1: one from the Vanity Fair special Scandalous. By twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 1: Anna delvi was a regular in the NYC social scene,
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Speaker 1: frequenting many popular downtown restaurants, bars, and clubs. With an
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Speaker 1: extravagant lifestyle and a seemingly endless supply of money. Delvie
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Speaker 1: was an enigma that was made for the age of Instagram,
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Speaker 1: always at the right place, with the right people, living
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Speaker 1: her best life, but with no apparent cause for her
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Speaker 1: fame with Me and All Star panel to make sense
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Speaker 1: of what we know right now? As I imagine Netflix,
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Speaker 1: who's forking over hundreds of thousands of dollars to make
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Speaker 1: inventing Anna. I bet they're giving that times one hundred
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Speaker 1: for what they're making from Viewerships with Me. Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags and hosted Today with
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Speaker 1: Doctor Wendy KCBQ. You can find her at Wendy Patrick
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Speaker 1: PhD dot com. Doctor Donna Rockwell Special guests joining US
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Speaker 1: clinical psychologists in both Michigan and New York specializing in
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Speaker 1: celebrity mental health on faculty Saybrook University. Jim Ellis with
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Speaker 1: a special guest joining US certified fraud examiner, former fed
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Speaker 1: with the FBI. Don't mess with this guy. FBI agent
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Speaker 1: twenty nine years now, Private investigator at jk E Texas
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Speaker 1: Private Investigator jke Texas dot com. But first, I want
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Speaker 1: to go to a woman I've been dying to talk to,
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg with Fox News Digital. She's a crime reporter
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Speaker 1: and author of a fantastic book At any Cost, Rebecca,
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Speaker 1: who is this woman? Who is this woman? Well, her
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Speaker 1: family came from Russia. They moved to Germany, and I
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Speaker 1: believe her father was actually a truck driver. She does
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Speaker 1: not come from a wealthy family, and she just invented
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Speaker 1: this identity when she came to New York. Now, her
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Speaker 1: coming to New York was quite a story. So Russian
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Speaker 1: born moving to Germany the child of a truck driver,
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Speaker 1: she ends up getting a job or an internship that
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Speaker 1: takes her to Paris. From there, the position brings her
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Speaker 1: to New York. I believe it was Montak and then
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Speaker 1: she very simply overstayed her visa, which thousands of people
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Speaker 1: do every year, but none do it in the style
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Speaker 1: of Anna Sirokin. And take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: six our friends at Inside Edition. Is she in a
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Speaker 1: courtroom or at a red carpet event? Anna Saurakin is
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Speaker 1: accused of posing as an heiress to live an extravagant lifestyle,
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Speaker 1: but it's what she's wearing to trial that is making headlines.
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Speaker 1: The twenty seven year old defendant showed up wearing a
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Speaker 1: form fitting black dress with a plunging neckline and choker necklace.
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Speaker 1: It's a look that could backfire. Warren stylist Don Karen
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Speaker 1: black dress definitely a no no. It hypersexualize her. It
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Speaker 1: makes her appear to be like a seductress. The choker
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Speaker 1: kind of shows to me that she's trying to be
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Speaker 1: overtly sexy. The more sexy she appears to be, it
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Speaker 1: hurts her. Soarkin is so obsessed with her clothes she
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Speaker 1: refused to enter the courtroom because the outfit she was
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Speaker 1: given to wear was not up to her standards. The
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Speaker 1: angry judge told her this is unacceptable and inappropriate. This
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Speaker 1: is not a fashion show. Wow, well you know what.
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Speaker 1: It didn't work. She continued wearing designer clothes to every
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Speaker 1: single court appears. But this goes way back. Her desire
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Speaker 1: for a lifestyle she could not afford started in her teens.
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Speaker 1: Take a listening to our cut for me our buddy
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Speaker 1: Jesse Palmer at Daily MAILTV. Anna, who interned at a
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Speaker 1: trendy French magazine, reportedly managed to scam extended stays in
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Speaker 1: swanky Manhattan hotels, dinner at high end restaurants, and flights
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Speaker 1: on chartered jets to finance her lavish lifestyle and keep
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Speaker 1: the grift going. She allegedly built banks out of thousands
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Speaker 1: in cash. And that's not all. The fake heiress reportedly
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Speaker 1: fleeced her friend out of sixty two thousand dollars for
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Speaker 1: a world class trip to Morocco. But Anna went too
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Speaker 1: far when she attempted to take out a loan for
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Speaker 1: twenty two million dollars to finance a visual arts center
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Speaker 1: she called the Anna Delvi Foundation. In all, Anna reportedly
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Speaker 1: scammed a total of two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars,
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Speaker 1: and his double life began to crumble as hotels went
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Speaker 1: after her unpaid debts and banks began to investigate her
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Speaker 1: alleged assets. I mean, maybe it's just me, but to
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Speaker 1: you dotor Donna Rockwell joining us clinical psychologist Faculties Saber University.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Rockwell, I don't know very many people except maybe
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Speaker 1: Eloise that lives in hotels. No, I guess we don't
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Speaker 1: really know many people who live in hotels. But it's
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Speaker 1: very posh, isn't it to do that? She might be
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Speaker 1: a Eloise poser, I guess, But you know that makes
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Speaker 1: her look really unattainable and like she's got lots of money.
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Speaker 1: So I think people in her situation will do anything
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Speaker 1: they can to look like they're billionaires, not even millionaires.
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Speaker 1: And Rebecca Rosenberg joining us in Fox News Digital. Rebecca,
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Speaker 1: she wasn't just staying down at the Motel six. She
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Speaker 1: was staying at very very expensive and luxurious hotels. Yes,
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Speaker 1: she was staying at eleven Howard Street for a very
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Speaker 1: long time. It racked up a bill in the tens
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Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars. And that's where she lived here
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Speaker 1: for a big chunk of the times in New York.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting that she created this illusion
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Speaker 1: that super rich and super educated people fell for, and
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Speaker 1: I guess you'd call it New York society. Until she
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Speaker 1: went and basically invited herself to be on a yacht
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Speaker 1: in Ibiza, and then after everyone got off at the
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Speaker 1: end of the vacation, she and her boyfriend turn around
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Speaker 1: and get back on and stay for another week or
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Speaker 1: ten days. I mean, Jim Ellis, you're the certified fraud
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Speaker 1: examined her former FBI agent twenty nine years For beat's sake.
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Speaker 1: When you commandeer a yacht with a captain and a
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Speaker 1: staff and all the food and you're out at sea
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Speaker 1: and the gas, that is a huge bill, a huge bill.
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Speaker 1: And frankly, you know, she probably could have been stopped
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Speaker 1: and exposed at that point if any of these people
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Speaker 1: along the way he'd lost money, who got enticed by
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Speaker 1: her story had actually applied reason and common sense at
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Speaker 1: a certain point, things wouldn't have gotten as far as
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Speaker 1: as they did. Yeah, you know, that's really interesting. Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags. You can hear her
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Speaker 1: on today with doctor Wendy CASEBQ. Doctor Wendy. I find it,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, I find it really interesting that the owners
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Speaker 1: or the people that had rented the yacht originally didn't
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Speaker 1: go after her. Now they were are really really wealthy
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Speaker 1: Hampton Nights. And I got to tell you something, Wendy,
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Speaker 1: I've been to the Hampton's a couple of times for
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Speaker 1: charity when I would be speaking to a group or
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Speaker 1: raising money somehow or other. That's the same, Wendy. I
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Speaker 1: couldn't wait till I packed up my little rental car
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Speaker 1: and got out. I mean, I knew I was a
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Speaker 1: dog upstairs. I did not fit in. That was not
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Speaker 1: where I was supposed to be. And these rich people
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Speaker 1: that got ripped off but didn't report it what they
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Speaker 1: didn't want to look step it or what. Yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: that's right, Nancy. I'm like you. I'm more I'm more
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Speaker 1: familiar with the Hampton Inn, with the free breakfast sealing
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Speaker 1: it go ahead. So this is the this is the
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Speaker 1: problem with the super super rich, and it is a
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Speaker 1: problem because financial responsibility should be everyone's responsibility. But they
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Speaker 1: probably either didn't know or didn't care. Why do I
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Speaker 1: say that, because we've covered so many stories where you
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Speaker 1: do have the ultra rich that are scammed are defrauded
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Speaker 1: by somebody like Anna, but don't consider it in the
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Speaker 1: ballast to be worth their while to pursue it, not
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Speaker 1: realizing there may be so many other victims that they
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Speaker 1: might be preventing by putting it into it sooner rather
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Speaker 1: than that may be why they didn't say anything. I'm
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Speaker 1: not quite sure Rebecca Rosenborg what her motivation is other
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Speaker 1: than just living the high life. But imagine the impact
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Speaker 1: she could have made being the daughter of a truck driver.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm the daughter of railroad worker and a
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Speaker 1: bank teller, and I know my parents worked overtime to
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Speaker 1: send me to college, to send me to law school,
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Speaker 1: and so much more. She actually has a brilliant mind. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think that if she had been honest
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Speaker 1: about her origins, anybody and the people that she was
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Speaker 1: trying to hang out with the New York that they
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Speaker 1: would have really paid attention to her we know she
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Speaker 1: was born in Russia, grew up in Germany. Her father
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Speaker 1: worked at a transport company and went and solvent. At nineteen,
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Speaker 1: she left her parents and brother for Paris to decide
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Speaker 1: to pursue fashion. She has only ever spoken very vaguely
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Speaker 1: of her parents, as she terms conservative. But while she's
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Speaker 1: in Paris, she takes on the name Anna Delvi and
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Speaker 1: she shoots photographs for a fashion art magazine named Purple.
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Speaker 1: She only got four hundred euros a month and she
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Speaker 1: stayed financially dependent on her parents, who would send her
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Speaker 1: money pay for her apartment. Then she had a breakup,
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Speaker 1: headed to New York and she went for a trip
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Speaker 1: to Montauk and then a fashion week, and that really
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Speaker 1: did it. When she was at fashion Week, there was
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Speaker 1: no no suggestion she would ever turn back. She went
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Speaker 1: from boutique hotel to boutique hotel, always handing out CRISP
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Speaker 1: one hundred dollar tips and putting off bills with promises
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Speaker 1: of wire transfers that never happened. So, Rebecca Rosenberg, I
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Speaker 1: know we've got the one victim, Rachel Delosha Williams, but
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Speaker 1: that's two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. What about
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Speaker 1: all of the hotels and all the other people she
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Speaker 1: ripped off. A lot of people didn't come forward, And
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Speaker 1: actually Rachel Delos was really interesting because at the end
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Speaker 1: Rachel actually couldn't get paid restitution because the jury did
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Speaker 1: not find Saroken guilty of ripping her off. That was
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Speaker 1: kind of that was one of the charges they did
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Speaker 1: not convict on. Take a listen, our cut five be
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Speaker 1: our friends at time. Prosecutor Katherine McCaw says the defendant
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Speaker 1: has not a sent to her name as far as
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Speaker 1: we can determine, also noting that Sarokin is Russian born,
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Speaker 1: not German, though she could be deported to Germany no
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Speaker 1: matter how the trial turns out, as she's reportedly overstayed
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Speaker 1: her visa under the name Anna Delvi. She arrived in
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Speaker 1: New York with a high priced wardrobe and was known
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Speaker 1: for handing out one hundred dollars cash tips, reportedly saying
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Speaker 1: at different points that her father was a diplomat, an
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Speaker 1: oil baron, or involved in the solar panel business, none
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Speaker 1: of which are the case. People who knew her said
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Speaker 1: she often asked others to use their credit cards to
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Speaker 1: cover cab and plane fares and then failing to repay them.
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg. Netflix is now airing a multi episode creation
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Speaker 1: called Inventing Anna. What is It? It's a show based
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Speaker 1: on her life story, So based on her it kind
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Speaker 1: of glamorizes her. I'd say her criminal activity in New
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Speaker 1: York for which she was convicted, and she sold her
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Speaker 1: life rights to Netflix for them to do the show.
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Speaker 1: Jack listen our cut seven b our friends at GMA.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors say the twenty eight year old, whose real name
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Speaker 1: is Anna Sorkin, stole two hundred and seventy five thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars from banks, hotels, and friends, all part of an
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Speaker 1: elaborate scheme to keep up her illusion of grander. Prosecutors
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Speaker 1: also alleged Sorkin tried securing a twenty two million dollar
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Speaker 1: loan to operate a private up, claims. Her lawyer denies.
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Speaker 1: I do not believe she had the intent to ever
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Speaker 1: commit a crime. Whether she always people money, that's effect
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Speaker 1: of life, that's the reality of doing business in New York.
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Speaker 1: Now facing charges of grand larceny and theft, she could
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Speaker 1: spend up to fifteen years in prison if convicted, but
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Speaker 1: officials say even if acquitted, she will be deported to Germany.
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Speaker 1: Sarkin's attorney says she got in over her head but
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Speaker 1: was just buying time until she could pay everyone back. Wow,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that, because with
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Speaker 1: this woman cons she cons big. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut two from Vanity Fair. Prior to their departure,
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Speaker 1: Davis's manager told her, Delvi's bill and room charges were
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Speaker 1: starting to mount and we're still unpaid. As a result,
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Speaker 1: the hotel changed Delvi's room code and detained all of
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Speaker 1: her personal belongings. To renew her visa, Delvi said she
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Speaker 1: had to spend intervals of time out of the country,
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Speaker 1: so she decided to embark on an deventure to Morocco.
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Speaker 1: She invited her New York City circle of friends. This
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Speaker 1: trip was the quintessential example of the lavish lifestyle that
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Speaker 1: Delvey was known for, a private villa with a personal butler,
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Speaker 1: all for just a mere seven thousand dollars a night.
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Speaker 1: During their trip, Delvey, making one excuse after another, press
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Speaker 1: Williams to pick up the tab more and more frequently,
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Speaker 1: eventually covering costs for dinner and expensive Moroccan dresses, a
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Speaker 1: stark change from the days Delvi would pay for everything.
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Speaker 1: Then one morning, Delvey was informed by a hotel employee
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Speaker 1: that they did not have a working credit card on file.
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Speaker 1: Delve brushed this off as an issue with her bank,
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Speaker 1: but soon after Williams was pressured into putting down her
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Speaker 1: credit card by hotel management staff and security members. Knowing
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Speaker 1: something was not right. Williams left Morocco while Delvi stayed
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Speaker 1: behind Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Rebecca Rosenberg joining
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Speaker 1: us for Fox News Digital. Even her closest friends didn't
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Speaker 1: know who she was. Yeah, I think that's true. But
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Speaker 1: I also think that her close friend was also enjoying
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Speaker 1: the advantages of having a friend who was picking up
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Speaker 1: the tab and paying for meals at the hotel, and maybe,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe didn't ask a lot of questions that
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Speaker 1: there were a lot of red flags there, and she
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Speaker 1: in the end got this great trip to Morocco. So
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Speaker 1: I think that was a little bit part of the
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Speaker 1: reason that jurors ultimately didn't convict on those charges. They
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Speaker 1: kind of felt like she came out ahead in the end,
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Speaker 1: especially because she was able to get an HBO TV
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Speaker 1: deal and a book, a very large advance on a
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Speaker 1: book recounting her experience. He who got that Rachel Deloche,
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Speaker 1: the friend that got for two hundred seventy five grand,
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Speaker 1: It was not just seventy five, It was actually about
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Speaker 1: sixty five seventy. Oh, I've got two hundred and seventy
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Speaker 1: five thousand, So two hundred and seventy five was the
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Speaker 1: total amount she was accused of, feeling at trial she
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Speaker 1: was only convicted for two hundred thousand of it because
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Speaker 1: they didn't convict on the Morocco track. Jim ellis joining
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Speaker 1: us former fed with the FBI. Have you ever seen
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Speaker 1: anything like it where a person who is so obsessed
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Speaker 1: with a lifestyle or getting money actually has alternate identities
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Speaker 1: and scams and lies to even their closest friends, their lovers.
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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I mean in her heart, Anasauric is a
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Speaker 1: con and she basically just cares about herself and she
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Speaker 1: doesn't care what's left in her weight. And I've seen
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Speaker 1: this through my career, both as an FBI agent and
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Speaker 1: as a private investigator. People act the same way. I'm
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Speaker 1: familiar with one con artist who dressed up He's a
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Speaker 1: Southern Baptist boy from Louisiana, and he dressed stuff like
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Speaker 1: an Hasidic Jew complete with clothing and makeup, so he
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Speaker 1: could go vouch to other people in the Jewish community
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Speaker 1: for himself. I mean that people will go to no
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Speaker 1: ends to satisfy their grieve, to satisfy their want for
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Speaker 1: fame and power. How do you untangle a case like
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Speaker 1: this well, I mean, obviously from a law enforcement perspective,
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Speaker 1: you don't even know about it to somebody who reports it.
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Speaker 1: I think the one thing that the Netflix show did
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Speaker 1: a good job of, even if it partily is fictionalized,
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Speaker 1: is the dog at work of the investigative reporter. You
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Speaker 1: can only tell so much online. You have to get
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Speaker 1: out there and talk to people and get actual documents,
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Speaker 1: and that's the only way to untang the deceit that
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Speaker 1: the Khan puts up. I'm thinking about her personality. She
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Speaker 1: goes to trial, she goes to trial. I want you
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Speaker 1: to hear what the attorney said in court. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut seven aur Prince at Guma. She
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Speaker 1: had to fake it until she can make it. Those
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Speaker 1: words from the defendant's own attorney, who claims she never
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Speaker 1: intended to commit a crime, but prosecutors call her a
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Speaker 1: fraud and a liar who would do almost anything to
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Speaker 1: prolong her life of luxury. This morning, the fate of
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Speaker 1: an alleged scam artist is now in the hands of
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Speaker 1: a jury, both sides wrapping up arguments for a case
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Speaker 1: that's drawn international outrage. The style savvy defendant even turning
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Speaker 1: heads in court wearing an animal print dress. She called
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Speaker 1: herself Anna Delvi, a fashionable globetrotter who, prosecutors day was
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Speaker 1: pretending to be a high flying German heiress living a
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Speaker 1: fairytale life of glitz and glam among Manhattan's elite. Wow, okay,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to her and a serroken in her
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Speaker 1: own words, are cut nine from the BBC. Did you
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Speaker 1: get a thrill from it? I mean, were you satisfied
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Speaker 1: when you got away with something, when you achieved something,
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Speaker 1: when you slipped under the radar and didn't have to pay.
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Speaker 1: Was it thrilling? Absolutely not, because in my head I
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Speaker 1: never thought that I was cheating or getting away with anything.
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Speaker 1: In my head, like any money that would borrow from them,
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Speaker 1: they would be getting back. And I felt like they
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Speaker 1: portrayed me as like someone who is very manipulative, which
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Speaker 1: I don't think I am. And I was never really
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Speaker 1: liked too nice of a person. I was never like
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Speaker 1: really trying to talk my way into anything. I kind
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Speaker 1: of just told people what I wanted and like the
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Speaker 1: either gave it to me or not, and I just
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Speaker 1: moved on. But she taught them into what she wanted
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Speaker 1: through lines. I mean, Donna rockwell, we really need a shrink.
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Speaker 1: How can she take hundreds of thousands of dollars in
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Speaker 1: luxury hotels, clothing that she got her friends to pay for,
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Speaker 1: raking up credit cards she needs She'd never pay back
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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars in credit cards, all based
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Speaker 1: on lies. I mean, she had to know that was wrong.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't just fake in it, fake it till you
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Speaker 1: make it. She was outright lying for goods and services. Yes,
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Speaker 1: she was outright lying. That's how we see it. It's interesting,
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Speaker 1: you know, because a person who has early life narcissistic wounds. Okay,
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Speaker 1: see I don't know what that means, what it means
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Speaker 1: that someone is only really thinking about themselves. But you
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Speaker 1: said a narcissistic wound. What's a narcissistic wound? I know
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Speaker 1: who narcissis is, but what's a narcissistic wound? When we're
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Speaker 1: babies if our mother or primary caretaker doesn't look at
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Speaker 1: us and say, who is a pretty baby? Who is
22:45
Speaker 1: a pretty baby, we don't know that we exist. So
22:48
Speaker 1: without early life mirroring, meaning the parent or the caregivers
22:52
Speaker 1: looking at you, you know you're existing, you're smiling back.
22:55
Speaker 1: There becomes a deficit that develops in a person, and
22:59
Speaker 1: that who becomes a narcissist or a self serving person
23:04
Speaker 1: in adulthood, and we probably know many of them in
23:06
Speaker 1: our own lives. However, in the context of same, there's
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Speaker 1: something called acquired situational narcissism, which means that the situations
23:17
Speaker 1: that we come into after we're a baby, in other words,
23:20
Speaker 1: like Anna when she was in her nineteen and in
23:22
Speaker 1: her twenties, is enough to turn us into that kind
23:26
Speaker 1: of a person, meaning all for me and none for you.
23:30
Speaker 1: And how does she get away with that? She gets
23:33
Speaker 1: away with it because she's in denial, which is a
23:36
Speaker 1: psychological coping mechanism. So the only way that she can
23:40
Speaker 1: do these things is to not have a conscience, to
23:43
Speaker 1: not think about it. So she has a sense of
23:47
Speaker 1: acquired situational narcissism because of her situations and then wanted
23:52
Speaker 1: more of it and more of it and more of it.
23:54
Speaker 1: And what people don't really understand about same is that
23:57
Speaker 1: it is addictive. As heroine. The second we get a
24:01
Speaker 1: taste of the spotlight, most of us, we want more
24:05
Speaker 1: and more and more. And that's what happened with Anna.
24:08
Speaker 1: She was in denial. She was projecting anything that she
24:12
Speaker 1: was thinking about herself on to other people. She asked
24:15
Speaker 1: for what she wanted, as we just heard on the tapes,
24:18
Speaker 1: she got it or she didn't get it, and she
24:20
Speaker 1: moved on. She did not have a conscience to think
24:23
Speaker 1: about is this the right thing? Am I hurting anybody?
24:26
Speaker 1: That's not how these people think. And it became more
24:29
Speaker 1: and more and more, because fame is addictive, you know,
24:32
Speaker 1: Wendy passion. She may have justified it in her own mind,
24:35
Speaker 1: certainly not defending her because this is irrational. Rate, This
24:39
Speaker 1: is not reasoning, it's irrational. She was taking from rich
24:45
Speaker 1: people in the Hamptons. I'm talking to like thirty million
24:48
Speaker 1: dollar homes with you know, guest houses that are bigger
24:53
Speaker 1: than our homes or apartments. She was taking from someone
24:58
Speaker 1: that could afford it, while she over date on the
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Speaker 1: yacht for a week because somebody else much richer than
25:04
Speaker 1: her was paying for it. So I wonder in her
25:07
Speaker 1: mind did she justify it that way only had it
25:10
Speaker 1: been a very short amount of time, or something over
25:12
Speaker 1: a weekend or maybe even a week. But the amount
25:14
Speaker 1: of time, the duration that this went on, there was
25:17
Speaker 1: no conceivable way in her mind that she possibly could
25:21
Speaker 1: have thought she would pay any of it back. You know,
25:23
Speaker 1: she may have faked it until she made it when
25:25
Speaker 1: she first got to New York, but when stealing money
25:27
Speaker 1: from others over that period of time, faking it is fraud.
25:30
Speaker 1: Hopefully that was a sound bite somebody used at her trial,
25:33
Speaker 1: because there's no other way circumstantially you can justify that
25:37
Speaker 1: many victims over that long period of time, and even
25:40
Speaker 1: now it's still all about her. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friend Emily mate Less at the BBC cut ten.
25:48
Speaker 1: Why do you think so many people believed you then?
25:51
Speaker 1: What was it in your personality that could convince people?
25:55
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think, like maybe Beny and I
25:56
Speaker 1: was smart and I was working on something that was
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Speaker 1: that could have like a great potential and that would
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Speaker 1: be successful. I don't know. I don't feel like it
26:05
Speaker 1: has much to do with my personality. I guess I'd like,
26:07
Speaker 1: I really believed in myself on out what I was doing. Um,
26:12
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just it's it's hard to explain.
26:17
Speaker 1: I guess like people just see like I'm talented and
26:19
Speaker 1: I'm focused, and I worked hard, and I couldn't make
26:23
Speaker 1: them a lot of money. Rebecca Roisenberg worked hard at WHAT.
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Speaker 1: Every time I see a photo or a post of her,
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Speaker 1: she's on a luxury trip or she's shopping work at
26:34
Speaker 1: WHAT Well. I think I think her a lot of
26:36
Speaker 1: her victims wanted to believe in her success because it
26:39
Speaker 1: meant their success too. You know, if she's saying, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to build this Anna Delby Foundation in Manhattan
26:45
Speaker 1: for twenty two million, and you know one of the person,
26:49
Speaker 1: one of the people she'd do with, the architect, well
26:52
Speaker 1: for him, you know, he he wanted to be involved
26:55
Speaker 1: in that big project, so he wanted to sort of
26:57
Speaker 1: believe the lie because it would ultimately helped him. So
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of it was people wanting to
27:03
Speaker 1: kind of believe it was true because there was an
27:05
Speaker 1: advantage to them. These are just some of the things,
27:09
Speaker 1: And I want to go to you on Jim Ellis
27:11
Speaker 1: that we have uncovered falsifying financial documents from international banks.
27:18
Speaker 1: Wait for it, totally approximately sixty million euros, securing a
27:25
Speaker 1: loan of one hundred grand after lying to bank reps
27:27
Speaker 1: from CTI, depositing countless bad checks and to other banks.
27:33
Speaker 1: I guess you know how you flow to check. You
27:37
Speaker 1: deposit a check, you would draw the funds, and then
27:40
Speaker 1: you try to short up from another bad account so
27:44
Speaker 1: that won't fall through, and then another He basically play
27:47
Speaker 1: ropadope on banks. That was totally nearly eighty thousand dollars.
27:53
Speaker 1: That doesn't include the money she conned off our friends,
27:56
Speaker 1: never paying them back, theft of almost a half a
28:02
Speaker 1: million dollars. I mean that's a lot of money, Jim. Oh, absolutely,
28:09
Speaker 1: it's a lot of money. And you mentioned earlier you
28:12
Speaker 1: weren't sure how she ever worked hard. She worked hard
28:17
Speaker 1: in preparing all these fraudulent documents and passing all those
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Speaker 1: bogus checks and coming up with stories that were plausible
28:25
Speaker 1: but yet not too specific. The life of the con
28:29
Speaker 1: is hard work, and they do it for the for
28:33
Speaker 1: the power, they do it for the money, They do
28:35
Speaker 1: it for the same. I think she solved the banks
28:39
Speaker 1: as her potential savior. You know, you think of of
28:43
Speaker 1: like Elizabeth Holmes with Sarinos. You know, was she a
28:47
Speaker 1: genius or was she a scam artist? You know, if
28:50
Speaker 1: if if Sorkin was able to produce all these phony
28:55
Speaker 1: documents and convince a bank to lend her twenty two
28:58
Speaker 1: million dollars, So why explain that to us mere mortals?
29:02
Speaker 1: What do you mean produce phony documents and convinced big
29:05
Speaker 1: banks to learn her a lot of money? Sure it happened.
29:09
Speaker 1: You know, she apparently was really adept in Adobe photoshop.
29:15
Speaker 1: I mean, she was taking documents and altering them to
29:19
Speaker 1: convince the bankers that she had Swiss bank accounts, that
29:23
Speaker 1: she had trust documents, that she had lawyers and CPAs
29:27
Speaker 1: or accountants over in Europe. And it was going, at
29:31
Speaker 1: least to a certain extent, probably until it hit the
29:34
Speaker 1: underwriting department, the people in the back of the office
29:39
Speaker 1: who make sure everything's all the boxes are checked. It
29:43
Speaker 1: was it was painting a picture of her, of exactly
29:46
Speaker 1: who she was claiming to be. And I think if
29:50
Speaker 1: she probably she possibly could have felt that if she
29:54
Speaker 1: was able to land that loan, in her mind, she
29:58
Speaker 1: probably was going to pay all those people go back
30:00
Speaker 1: that she had scammed pre mind. It's in her mind,
30:04
Speaker 1: it's and she may have we don't know. She's kicking
30:07
Speaker 1: the can down the road. She's getting her next victim,
30:10
Speaker 1: and when that, when it comes time to pay them back,
30:14
Speaker 1: she'll worry about that later. It's it's never ending. I mean,
30:18
Speaker 1: it's it's what brings down every Ponzi scheme in the end.
30:21
Speaker 1: And this wasn't a large scale Ponzi scheme, but you know,
30:25
Speaker 1: some of them money she scammed from from through those
30:28
Speaker 1: phony checks that she deposited with City Bank and the
30:32
Speaker 1: loan she got from um City National Bank, she used
30:36
Speaker 1: to pay some of her debts that to the hotels
30:41
Speaker 1: and other businesses so that she could stay afloat and
30:44
Speaker 1: maintain that illusion. Well, Jamillis, I guess what you're saying
30:48
Speaker 1: is she would pay back the hotels to the extent
30:51
Speaker 1: that she could get them to allow her to stay
30:53
Speaker 1: there for even longer. I mean, what does that mean.
30:57
Speaker 1: Dakota check? Well, Dakata check. And it's a harder nowadays
31:02
Speaker 1: than they used to be because the float, which is
31:04
Speaker 1: the time that a check is deposited into one bank
31:07
Speaker 1: and actually clears in the originating bank it's so much shorter.
31:11
Speaker 1: But you you basically take a check and you present
31:15
Speaker 1: it to a bank that you know is worthless. Order
31:19
Speaker 1: may appear it has funds, but by the time that
31:22
Speaker 1: check is presented for payment to the originating bank, and
31:25
Speaker 1: I'm sorry this is probably very very technical, there aren't
31:29
Speaker 1: any funds available. And from what I read, she's submitted
31:34
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty thousand dollars worth of fraud in
31:37
Speaker 1: the checks and she was able to get seventy thousand
31:39
Speaker 1: in cash out of it. That's a that's actually a
31:42
Speaker 1: really good turnaround on the scam. I mean, she had
31:47
Speaker 1: to know that what she was doing was wrong, and
31:51
Speaker 1: every day in court it played out like fashion week
31:56
Speaker 1: in New York. Everyone was looking not me, but everyone
32:01
Speaker 1: else was looking to see what she was wearing, what
32:03
Speaker 1: her demeanor was going to be. That day in court.
32:06
Speaker 1: She even had a confrontation with the judge about what
32:09
Speaker 1: she wore to court. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Take
32:30
Speaker 1: us to Our Cut eight is St. Johnson GMA. The
32:33
Speaker 1: courtroom drama played out late into the evening. At one
32:36
Speaker 1: point the jury appeared deadlock, the defense asking for a mistrial,
32:39
Speaker 1: but then the verdict jurors agreeing with the prosecution that
32:43
Speaker 1: Annasaurkin built her fairy tale life on a foundation of
32:46
Speaker 1: theft and lies. Overnight, a New York City jury finding
32:51
Speaker 1: socialite Annasaurkan, a so called SOHO grifter, guilty on eight counts,
32:56
Speaker 1: including grand larceny, attempted grand larceny, and theft services prosecutors
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Speaker 1: arguing the twenty eight year old stole a quarter of
33:04
Speaker 1: a million dollars from banks, hotels and friends to fund
33:07
Speaker 1: a lavish lifestyle. The jury's obviously believed our point of
33:11
Speaker 1: view and followed our logic and acquitted her for the
33:13
Speaker 1: top charges. I'm sad and that she was convicted of
33:16
Speaker 1: some of the other charges. Sorkin was acquitted of two charges,
33:19
Speaker 1: including the most serious, so attempting to steal more than
33:22
Speaker 1: one million dollars from City National Bank. She now faces
33:25
Speaker 1: deportation and up to fifteen years in prison. Jee Rebecca
33:29
Speaker 1: resuming joining us from Foxy's Digital, explaining the split verdict.
33:33
Speaker 1: What was she convicted on? Anne on? What was she acquitted?
33:37
Speaker 1: She was acquitted on trying to score this massive twenty
33:41
Speaker 1: million dollars loan, which was one of the top charges.
33:45
Speaker 1: That was the attempted grand larceny and she was acquitted
33:49
Speaker 1: of stealing the number kind of buried, but around seventy
33:53
Speaker 1: thousand from Rachel Deloche. That was the trip that she
33:57
Speaker 1: invited her best friend at the time, Richard Deloshan, to
34:00
Speaker 1: Morocco where they stayed me seven thousand a night riad
34:03
Speaker 1: in outside of Marrakesh, and at the end of the
34:06
Speaker 1: trip she stuck her with bill. She persuaded her to
34:09
Speaker 1: put the entire trip on her credit card and she
34:11
Speaker 1: would pay her back. So those were the two main
34:14
Speaker 1: counts she was acquitted on and then she was convicted
34:19
Speaker 1: in She was convicted in the chartered plane incident. Wait, wait,
34:26
Speaker 1: let me let that, so can Rebecca Riisenberg. They chartered
34:29
Speaker 1: plane incident? What was that? So it was called Blade
34:33
Speaker 1: as the company, and she persuaded them to fly her
34:38
Speaker 1: without paying up front to a Berkshire Halthaway conference in
34:43
Speaker 1: Omaha and basically was like, I'll pay you later, and
34:48
Speaker 1: they thought she'd paid them later and she didn't. And
34:50
Speaker 1: that was about thirty five thousand dollars. It was a
34:53
Speaker 1: chartered flight. They chartered flight incident. Okay, so she up
35:00
Speaker 1: going to not just jail, but to rikers is anybody
35:05
Speaker 1: on the panel familiar with Rikers? Okay, yes, just by reputation. Yeah,
35:11
Speaker 1: you don't want to go there unless you have to
35:14
Speaker 1: take a Listen to Annasirokan aka Delvaney speaking to our
35:21
Speaker 1: friend Deborah Roberts at ABC. Now thirty years old, Sarakin
35:25
Speaker 1: says she's paid for her mistakes her time behind bars,
35:28
Speaker 1: including nineteen months in New York's infamous Rikers Island jailed,
35:32
Speaker 1: some of it in solitary confinement. You're being held in Rikers,
35:36
Speaker 1: one of the most frightening jails in the country. What
35:41
Speaker 1: was that like for you? Were you terrified in a
35:44
Speaker 1: way that was therapeutic? I mean it's a therapeutic I
35:48
Speaker 1: for example, use the time, like to read a lot
35:50
Speaker 1: and to write. You've heard that, You've said that it's
35:53
Speaker 1: a prison is kind of a waste of time. Yeah,
35:55
Speaker 1: taking a person, stripping them off everything, putting them side
36:00
Speaker 1: where they have pretty much faith, few opportunities to rehabilitate.
36:04
Speaker 1: So how is this supposed to help someone who already
36:07
Speaker 1: had to resort to life of crime? And that tells
36:10
Speaker 1: me right there that Anna Delvi aka Anna sirokan learned
36:16
Speaker 1: nothing from her time behind bars. Wendy patric nothing. It
36:20
Speaker 1: also tells us that she is admitting that she resorted
36:23
Speaker 1: to a life of crime, which countradicts everything she said
36:26
Speaker 1: before the trial and even in some interviews after the trial,
36:29
Speaker 1: that she knew because she wasn't working, As you pointed
36:31
Speaker 1: out several times, there was no way she was going
36:34
Speaker 1: to be able to repay these loans. But sitting through
36:37
Speaker 1: the trial, sitting in Riker's Island prison therapeutic, you have
36:41
Speaker 1: to wonder whether she received special treatment. We don't know
36:43
Speaker 1: one way or the other, but it is very interesting
36:46
Speaker 1: that her attitude apparently hasn't changed. I'm sure she got
36:50
Speaker 1: special treatment because she had managed to convince everyone that
36:53
Speaker 1: she was a celebrity that deserves special treatment. You know,
36:56
Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenburg, I'm not sure I understand the not guilty
37:00
Speaker 1: on the sixty grand she ripped off from Rachel Delisha Williams.
37:05
Speaker 1: What was the jury's thinking. Well, I spoke to a
37:07
Speaker 1: couple of jurors after the verdict and they kind of
37:11
Speaker 1: felt that in the end, Rachel came out ahead, even
37:15
Speaker 1: though it was this like really stressful situation for her
37:18
Speaker 1: where she had put the payment for this trip on
37:22
Speaker 1: her work visa card and just you know, it was
37:26
Speaker 1: a sum of money that was greater than what she
37:28
Speaker 1: earned as a salary. But eventually, you know, she did,
37:35
Speaker 1: she did end up with I think her book advanced
37:38
Speaker 1: was three hundred thousand dollars. I don't know what she
37:40
Speaker 1: got paid from HBO. So I think that they just
37:43
Speaker 1: didn't feel that bad for her. But why because why
37:46
Speaker 1: did they not feel bad for Rachel Williams? Because she
37:50
Speaker 1: was also using Anna Stroka. You could say, like she,
37:53
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of weird, like she's going out
37:55
Speaker 1: with Anna all the time, and Anna's always paying for
37:59
Speaker 1: absolutely free thing. You know, I personally wouldn't feel that
38:04
Speaker 1: comfortable if I was going out with somebody, even if
38:07
Speaker 1: they were much wealthier than me, with them footing the
38:10
Speaker 1: bill every time. So I think that was kind of
38:13
Speaker 1: their reasoning. Take a listen to what happens immediately when
38:17
Speaker 1: she walks out from behind bars our cut fourteen inside edition.
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Speaker 1: If you walked out of prison a free woman, hid,
38:24
Speaker 1: what was the first thing you did? They brought me
38:26
Speaker 1: my fouance. I got on social media. She came out
38:31
Speaker 1: of prison and immediately sat down to do this interview
38:34
Speaker 1: with us and immediately went on social media and immediately
38:38
Speaker 1: started to resume kind of a glamorous life. Sarkin is
38:41
Speaker 1: now back in custody awaiting a hearing to see if
38:43
Speaker 1: she will be deported to Germany. The big question is
38:47
Speaker 1: will she be released, She could be in the next
38:49
Speaker 1: few weeks, and will she be deported. But whatever happens,
38:53
Speaker 1: there is no question in my mind that we have
38:56
Speaker 1: not heard the last from Anasaurikin. So the first thing
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Speaker 1: she does is hot on social media. What does that
39:04
Speaker 1: tell you, doctor Rockwell, the same thing it tells you,
39:07
Speaker 1: doctor Gray, That she didn't feel bad about one thing
39:11
Speaker 1: through this entire event, that there's a lack of conscience,
39:15
Speaker 1: and that she was loving the spotlight and she couldn't
39:19
Speaker 1: wait to get back into it. As I say, it's
39:21
Speaker 1: an addiction. It makes the hormones flash in your mind,
39:26
Speaker 1: You have endorphins. Your brain comes alive with your own
39:30
Speaker 1: image and you love it, You salivate over it. And
39:33
Speaker 1: that's what happened to Anna Sorkin. Jim Ella Certified Fraught
39:37
Speaker 1: Examiner or now with his own firm JKE Texas dot Com,
39:42
Speaker 1: Jim shopaholics or people that get a thrill out of
39:46
Speaker 1: buying things. I think Anna sirokan aka na Anna Delvy
39:53
Speaker 1: got a thrill of some sort of this fake life
39:56
Speaker 1: she was leading. Do you think someone unlike her can
40:02
Speaker 1: turn over a new leaf or is this just who
40:04
Speaker 1: she is? Well, that's a good question. I mean, I
40:08
Speaker 1: always hope I didn't say what you hope, Jim allis
40:12
Speaker 1: you investigated so many con guys, what do you think
40:16
Speaker 1: they don't stop? I mean, as you pointed out, she
40:20
Speaker 1: immediately got back on social media, and I agree with
40:24
Speaker 1: doctor Rockwell that it was for the endorphin rush of
40:29
Speaker 1: getting that hit, of getting that fame and putting out
40:31
Speaker 1: that projection. But I think it's also a certain aspect
40:35
Speaker 1: that that is rebuilding her stature so that she can
40:40
Speaker 1: now see where she can get her next meal ticket from.
40:44
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw in preparing for today that she's having,
40:49
Speaker 1: you know, contact with Julia Fox, who used to be
40:53
Speaker 1: with Kanye West, and she's saying that they may have
40:57
Speaker 1: a project in the works. Yeah, I wonder what that
40:59
Speaker 1: could be. But who in the right mind would want
41:03
Speaker 1: to work with somebody that just got out of prison
41:08
Speaker 1: for defrauding hundreds of thousands of dollars from the people
41:12
Speaker 1: she was closest to well, you know what, I may
41:15
Speaker 1: have an answer. Take a listen to my long time
41:18
Speaker 1: friend in colleague at ABC, Deborah Roberts oar Cut twelve
41:22
Speaker 1: now out on parole. Sorkin's documenting her freedom on social media,
41:26
Speaker 1: moving into a new apartment, shopping and dining out her
41:29
Speaker 1: new life, financed partly by a Netflix deal she signed
41:33
Speaker 1: while behind bars. It's said to be worth just over
41:37
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars. Many people would find that very
41:40
Speaker 1: strange that you had gotten into trouble, You went to trial,
41:44
Speaker 1: you went to prison, and there's a Netflix deal around
41:47
Speaker 1: your story. I find it strange deal. So were you
41:50
Speaker 1: sort of milking your crime for the fame? Now? Definitely not.
41:55
Speaker 1: Do you feel badly? Do you have regrets? I feel
41:58
Speaker 1: like I'm just trying to deal with with consequences of
42:01
Speaker 1: my actions. I was young. I would not repeat my actions.
42:06
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make the best out of my situation.
42:09
Speaker 1: I was young. It was just a couple of years ago. Okay,
42:12
Speaker 1: watch out for this woman. She's waiting for deportation Germany.
42:18
Speaker 1: You can have her. We're sending her over cod Nancy
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Speaker 1: Gray's crime story signing off goodbye friend,