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Hoser Puck Bros Found Not Guilty, Eh Bud? | HBR News 514 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 2: This is HPR News number five fourteen. Hooser Puck Pros
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  Speaker 2: found knock Fit guilty a budd and we discussed the
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna be discussing the recent not guilty verdict of
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  Speaker 2: some hockey bros in Kanukistan. YouTube is going to be
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  Speaker 2: using AI to determine the ages of its users, you know,
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  Speaker 2: know that Collective Shout is an Australian group.
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  Speaker 3: Here.
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  Speaker 2: I thought Australians were like the toughest people, but it
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  Speaker 2: seems like the worst people come from Australia. At least
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  Speaker 2: that seems to be a thing that changes a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but they have gone after games like
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  Speaker 2: game Detroit Become Human because it depicts harm that comes
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  Speaker 2: to women and girls. And so now they have a
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  Speaker 2: come for Valve, which is like the company that makes
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  Speaker 2: gaming store at this point, you know, because the Xbox
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  Speaker 1: Well. Nintendo's hanging in there.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, they're going after them, and they're using the
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  Speaker 2: games that are on Steam to go after. Payment process
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  Speaker 2: And so I thought we would go to the collective
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  Speaker 2: Shout website to see how many feminist buzzwords are on there.
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  Speaker 2: Aside from the fact that actually I went to like
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  Speaker 2: some of the usual suspects, you know, where I usually
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  Speaker 2: get my news. One place I went to was Mel Magazine.
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  Speaker 2: You guys might remember Mel Magazine. That was a website
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  Speaker 2: that Alison and I had done a few responses on.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently there, Mel Magazine was interesting because they had all
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  Speaker 4: from everybody's work, except when that came to me and
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  Speaker 4: they took one half of one sentence from one video
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  Speaker 4: and their entire characterization of me came from that great journalism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, apparently so great that they know longer exists.
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  Speaker 2: Mel Magazine is basically like, they haven't had an article
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  Speaker 2: since for three years now, and they're basically dead in
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  Speaker 2: other gaming websites, you know, like I normally check to
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  Speaker 2: see what the gamer's doing Rock Paper, Shotgun, and now
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  Speaker 2: there are really no opinion pieces. It's all like just
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  Speaker 2: websites anymore. So I made a decision that we would
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  Speaker 2: look at collective Shout because we're now we're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to go to the more radical sources.
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  Speaker 4: Basically, So I took a lot of those websites just
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  Speaker 2: open up my Okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: On July twenty twenty five, five former members of Canada's
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  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen World Junior Hockey team, Michael McLoud, McLoud, Carter Hart,
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  Speaker 2: Alex Fourmenton and Dylan Dubay and Calfoot Footy Canadian names
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  Speaker 2: are weird. We're acquitted of sexual assault charges in a
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  Speaker 2: high profile trial in London, Ontario. That's confusing. It's not London, England,
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  Speaker 2: is London in Ontario in Canada. The allegation stemmed from
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  Speaker 2: an incident on June nineteenth, twenty eighteen, so like seven
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  Speaker 2: years ago, where a woman who identified as claimed she
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  Speaker 2: was sexually assaulted in a hotel room following a Hockey
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  Speaker 2: Canada gala celebrating the team's championship victory. Alleged that after
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  Speaker 2: consensual sex with McLoud, other players were invited into the
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  Speaker 2: room without her consent, leading to a group assault. The case,
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  Speaker 2: which sparked national debate about hockey culture and consent, ended
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  Speaker 2: with Ontario Superior Court Justice Maria Carochia ruling that e
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  Speaker 2: M's testimony was not credible or reliable, and the Crown
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  Speaker 2: failed to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. The trial,
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  Speaker 2: which began in April of twenty twenty five, was marked
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  Speaker 2: by complexity, including a mistrial and two dismissed juries, ultimately
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  Speaker 2: leading to a judge only verdict. Initially investigated by London
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  Speaker 2: police in twenty eighteen, the case was closed without charges
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  Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, but reopened in twenty twenty two after
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  Speaker 2: EM's three point five million dollar lawsuit against Hockey Canada
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  Speaker 2: was settled out of court HMMM, prompting public outrage and
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  Speaker 2: scrutiny over the organization's handling of sexual assault allegations. Defense
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  Speaker 2: lawyers argued EM's inconsistencies, supported by surveillance footage and two
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  Speaker 2: videos showing her appearing to consent. I wonder what that
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  Speaker 2: looked like, undermined her claims. The acquittal left devastated, with
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  Speaker 2: her lawyer Karen bell bellumhoer, that's I think that's how
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  Speaker 2: you pronounce it, criticizing the justice system. While the player's
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  Speaker 2: legal teams called the verdict a resounding vindication, the NHL
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  Speaker 2: stated the players remained ineligible to play pending further review,
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  Speaker 2: highlighting ongoing tensions about accountability in hockey culture.
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  Speaker 5: All Right, the statement men rape is not false. The
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  Speaker 5: statement women lie is also not false. The reason I
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  Speaker 5: called them not false rather than true is because they
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  Speaker 5: are true to different degrees. Yes, there are some men
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  Speaker 5: who rape, just like there are some women who rape,
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  Speaker 5: but it is very very few in both cases. And yes,
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  Speaker 5: there are some women who lie, just like there are
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  Speaker 5: some men who lie. And in both cases it is
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna say ninety nine percent with an error margin
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  Speaker 5: of one percent. Everybody lies, is what I'm saying. That
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  Speaker 5: is just about the truest thing we're capable of saying.
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  Speaker 1: But not everybody.
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  Speaker 5: Lies about rape, And everybody lies about little things like
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  Speaker 5: did you do your homework? Or do you love your kids?
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  Speaker 5: A little white lies that don't hurt anyone. But it
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  Speaker 5: takes a special kind of someone to tell a lie
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  Speaker 5: to the police, to file an official lie, one that
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  Speaker 5: can ruin lives and will ruin lives. Now, some might
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  Speaker 5: say that women are in some way wired to tell
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  Speaker 5: these lies in a way that men are not, And yes,
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  Speaker 5: that is certainly arguable. Deception is very much an evolved trait.
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  Speaker 5: That's what camouflage is. Lies are like an abstract mental
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  Speaker 5: form of camouflage, and it's very possible that one sex
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  Speaker 5: would evolve this trait more than the other. But either way,
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  Speaker 5: just like we have consequences put in place in the
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  Speaker 5: event that a person is sociopathically violent, we should have
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  Speaker 5: consequences in place for when people are sociopathically deceptive.
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  Speaker 1: But we don't.
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  Speaker 5: Not when it comes to women lying about rape. The
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  Speaker 5: pervasive wisdom is if we show leniency to these false accusers,
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  Speaker 5: they are more likely to confess their lives, but that
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  Speaker 5: doesn't appear to be working. The fact that they know
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  Speaker 5: they can lie and get away with it is why
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  Speaker 5: they are lying in the first place. It's the same
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  Speaker 5: with any crime. If you let people get away with something,
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  Speaker 5: eventually they.
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  Speaker 1: Will do it.
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  Speaker 5: That's why Hollywood big shots rape so many children because
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  Speaker 5: no one's stopping them. It's why so many fifty IQ
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  Speaker 5: desert monkeys keep invading the country and raping children because
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  Speaker 5: no one's stopping them. No one's disincentivizing them to stop,
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  Speaker 5: and no one's disincentivizing women to stop lying about rape.
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  Speaker 5: In my humble opinion, we should We should do that
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  Speaker 5: disincentivizing they should go to prison for at least as
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  Speaker 5: long as, let's say a kidnapper longer. Actually violently kidnapping
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  Speaker 5: someone is bad enough, but deceiving a police force into
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  Speaker 5: violently kidnapping someone on your behalf, on the basis of
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  Speaker 5: a lie, is surely even worse. How could it not be.
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  Speaker 5: You're not just violently kidnapping someone, You're fraudulently inciting a
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  Speaker 5: mob to do it for you, a tax payer paid
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  Speaker 5: mob who ought to be tackling actual crimes. If anything,
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  Speaker 5: it's much worse than just doing the violent kidnapping yourself.
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  Speaker 5: A person who is capable of that much malice and
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  Speaker 5: that much wasting police time in the pursuit of malice
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  Speaker 5: is an extremely dangerous person, more dangerous than a kidnapper
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  Speaker 5: acting alone, like necessarily more dangerous. And if you're going
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  Speaker 5: to give women the power to do this, then it's
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  Speaker 5: only fair that you punish them for abusing this power
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  Speaker 5: that's supposed to be the point of law and order.
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  Speaker 5: Some people cannot learn, and so we remove them from society.
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  Speaker 5: Some people can learn, and that's why we teach them
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  Speaker 5: that there are consequences to your actions, like being removed
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  Speaker 5: from society. Women, by and large are never going to
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  Speaker 5: learn this if they are never given an incentive to
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  Speaker 5: learn it. So yeah, lock her up, lock her up
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  Speaker 5: in a room with a woodchipper. I'm not saying put
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  Speaker 5: her in the woodchip, but just leave her in a
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  Speaker 5: room with a woodchipper. Send a message. Is it running, No,
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  Speaker 5: it's just there. Or or a room with a moose,
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  Speaker 5: the good old room with a moose. That will work better. Actually,
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  Speaker 5: all right, that's that's officially my advice. False accusers should
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  Speaker 5: be put in a room with a moose. And if
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  Speaker 5: they complain that they're getting battered to death by a moose,
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  Speaker 5: just don't believe them. Fits the crime. All right, done,
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  Speaker 5: I have fixed society. You're welcome everyone. Don't think well,
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate.
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  Speaker 4: Eight years ago, thirteen years ago, maybe longer, when we
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  Speaker 4: first started talking about the enthusiastic consent narrative the feminists
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  Speaker 4: were promoting at the time. And in fact, I actually
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  Speaker 4: made a video about this and it went pseudo viral
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  Speaker 4: on Reddit, and it is one of two videos that
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  Speaker 4: were sympathetic to men. That became the reason why reddits
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  Speaker 4: are videos. Subreddit banned political videos because they didn't they
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  Speaker 4: didn't like the fact that it got the the views
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  Speaker 4: that it got. And and then the other one was
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  Speaker 4: Shoe on Head made a video just discussing the actual
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  Speaker 4: statistics on domestic violence against men, and those two videos they.
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  Speaker 3: Both made the front page.
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  Speaker 4: And because they made the front page, our videos banned
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  Speaker 4: political videos. How dare people have sympathy for ment? How
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  Speaker 4: dare that be popular?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: But what I pointed out in that video is that
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  Speaker 4: if women expect to have to be enthusiastic in order
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  Speaker 4: for their consent to matter, then they have no right
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  Speaker 4: to expect to be sought after by men, and they
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  Speaker 4: have no right to expect attention from men and sexual
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  Speaker 4: engagement from men if they're not overtly enthusiastic. Well, there's
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  Speaker 4: another aspect to this that we've been talking about for
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  Speaker 4: for quite some time, and that is the fact that
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  Speaker 4: the enthusiastic consent narrative isn't about consent and changing the
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  Speaker 4: standard on the crime of rape from men's rea where
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  Speaker 4: the individual is you know, the accused is actually accused
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  Speaker 4: of violating the alleged victim against the victim's will, and
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  Speaker 4: not just without consent. That that was designed to facilitate
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  Speaker 4: false allegations the crime. It'd be like if the crime
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  Speaker 4: of theft was redefined to if somebody charged you more
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  Speaker 4: than you thought you should have been charged for a
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  Speaker 4: good or a service, you could go to the police
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  Speaker 4: after you paid the money and say I was robbed,
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  Speaker 4: and then they would have to prove that you really
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  Speaker 4: wanted to spend that much on that item.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: That's essentially what feminists are saying in regard to sex,
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  Speaker 4: that if you participate in a sex act as a
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  Speaker 4: woman and then later on you feel like you didn't
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  Speaker 4: want to spend that much social energy or that much
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  Speaker 4: social credit, that maybe your reputation might be damaged, or
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  Speaker 4: you had cheated on your boyfriend and people found out,
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  Speaker 4: or maybe you felt like you didn't get enough cow
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  Speaker 4: tewing from the guy you know, or you did something
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  Speaker 4: that makes you feel foolish when you remember doing it
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  Speaker 4: later on, like screwed an entire athletic team, something that
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  Speaker 4: gets lampooned all the time in movies, you know, but
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  Speaker 4: not not something that people expect to happen in real life.
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  Speaker 4: And it does, then you, you know, decide to take
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  Speaker 4: it back, and you decide that you didn't consent. That's
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  Speaker 4: not the same as having someone force you against your will,
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  Speaker 4: or use coercion to prevent you from being able to
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  Speaker 4: resist or refuse, or using a substance to knock you out,
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  Speaker 4: or violence to knock you out so that you can't
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  Speaker 4: refuse and you can't resist. Regret is not rape. Regret
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  Speaker 4: doesn't mean that you were raped. Embarrassment doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 4: you were raped. It's not the same kind of trauma,
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  Speaker 4: and it's not the other person's fault that you may
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  Speaker 4: a decision that you wish you hadn't. If you're an adult,
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  Speaker 4: then you have no business blaming somebody else for your choices.
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  Speaker 4: And the only difference between this situation and say insurance fraud,
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  Speaker 4: where you know you give your jewelry away and then
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  Speaker 4: you claim that you were robbed and you get an
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  Speaker 4: insurance payout for your jewelry is that when women do this,
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  Speaker 4: the the law is not clear enough for them to
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  Speaker 4: know and be one hundred percent certain that they're not
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  Speaker 4: going to get away with it. And sometimes they do
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  Speaker 4: get away with it. Often they do get away with it.
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  Speaker 4: Regularly they do get away with it, even when they
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  Speaker 4: get caught. Seven years in hell story that I keep
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  Speaker 4: talking about, the woman who made all those allegations. One
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  Speaker 4: of her allegations was rape, and she changed her story
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  Speaker 4: a few times regarding when, what day, and even where,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, each time because we were documenting his
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  Speaker 4: whereabouts and making sure that he could prove what he
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  Speaker 4: was doing and where he was at all times. Each
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  Speaker 4: time she failed because she couldn't find a time he
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  Speaker 4: couldn't account for, and therefore the detective couldn't go after him.
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  Speaker 4: And it took threatening to sue to get.
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  Speaker 3: That to stop.
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  Speaker 4: Right even after they knew for a fact that her
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  Speaker 4: first allegation was a lie and her second allegation was
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  Speaker 4: a lie, they brought him in a third time to
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  Speaker 4: interrogate him over a third allegation, and when they finally
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  Speaker 4: established that they're not going to pursue a case, they
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  Speaker 4: never went after her. Filing a false complaint with police
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  Speaker 4: is illegal. It is a process crime. But the local
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  Speaker 4: women's shelter had a representative in there with her who
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  Speaker 4: basically strong armed the detective and said, you can't go
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  Speaker 4: after her for that because this is a domestic violence case.
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  Speaker 4: And the training they get from the Violence Against Women
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  Speaker 4: Act basically says, well, women will lie about things like
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  Speaker 4: you know, no I wasn't using marijuana when this happened,
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  Speaker 4: and therefore you can't you can't go after them for
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  Speaker 4: any lie, right, So they didn't do anything to her,
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  Speaker 4: So they do regularly get away with it. But at
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  Speaker 4: the same time, a lot of cases like this, like
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  Speaker 4: this case, this woman would not have felt confident that
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  Speaker 4: she could get away with lying about these guys if
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  Speaker 4: the standard was still against her will instead of without
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  Speaker 4: her consent, because instead of having to prove that she
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  Speaker 4: didn't say yes to every single one of them, she
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  Speaker 4: would have to prove that she said no and they
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  Speaker 4: didn't stop. So it would be quite a a bigger challenge,
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  Speaker 4: and that's where the challenge should be. And with regard
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  Speaker 4: to like people who say it's harsh to suggest that
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  Speaker 4: women should go to jail for years when they make
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  Speaker 4: a false allegation like this, you know, first of all,
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about the same standard beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: So they would have to prove not only that the
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: allegation wasn't true, but that the woman knew the allegation
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: wasn't true. So, in other words, if they could prove,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: like in this case, there's video, so obviously they can
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: prove she she knew she was lying. It's pretty obvious
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: that she consented, and it's pretty obvious that afterwards she
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: just made up this lie to go after these guys.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Right in a situation like that, well obviously, you know.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the next step is to start looking at prosecution
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: because she filed a false complaint with police, she lied
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: to police during an investigation, and then she perjured herself
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: in court. And those are three process crimes they could
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: go after her for. If you did that because you
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: wanted money for jewelry that you gave away to somebody,
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: and you went after that person or your insurance company,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: and then it was proved that actually, know, you voluntarily.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Gave away that jewelry, nobody owes.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: You anything, you weren't robbed, and you're committing fraud, you'd
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: go to jail for a long time.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: If you did that with any type.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Of other crime, you could go to jail for quite
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: some time. There are harsh penalties for that. But if
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: you commit a crime that is the equivalent of kidnapping
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: somebody and locking them in a room and periodically taking
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: them out and emotionally torturing them and putting them back
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: keeping them in there with say not to equate men
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: with animals, but if you keep an innocent person in
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: with dangerous criminals, it is a lot like putting someone
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: locking someone up with a wolf or a bear, because
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: in prison where there are violent criminals, there is violence,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: and it's it's pretty bad. You would you would be
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: locked up for quite a long time for that. And
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: and if you don't equate it that way, think about
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: it this way. If you're female and listening, right, if
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: your ex boyfriend went into a bar and hired a
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: bunch of guys to come around to your house and
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: harass you and then eventually kidnap you and lock you
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: in a room with a wolf or a bear, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: then parade you through maybe the community in a humiliation ritual,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: and and actually slander you online, defame you online in
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: a in a public way and that anybody could access
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: with lies made up about you and so on. It'd
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: be if he did it himself, it'd be harassment, kidnapping, assault,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: and you know, stalking. He'd have a bunch of laws
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: that they go after him for, right. But if you
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: went into a bar and hired a bunch of other
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: guys to do it, then.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: It would be a higher level, it would.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Be conspiracy to commit all of those crimes. And because
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: it would be conspiracy to commit all of those crimes,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: there would be more discussion about this, there would be
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: more public condemnation, there would be a higher level of prosecution,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: there would be longer sentencing, and all the guys he
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: hired would get in trouble too. So when you go
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: into a police station, the only difference is that those
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: guys have qualified immunity. They can't get in trouble. But
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: what you're doing when you lie to police and say
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: a man did something to you that he didn't do,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: and your goal is to get him arrested, interrogated, jailed
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: and convicted, imprisoned for the long term, placed on a
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: sex offender list, put on the news a sex offender,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: and so on, what you're doing is the same as
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: if your ex walked into a bar and hired a
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: bunch of guys to stalk you and harass you, kidnap you,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: put you into a room with a dangerous animal and
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: keep you there, and humiliate you in public, to fame
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: you online like that is what you are guilty of
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: when you lie to police about rape. So it is
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: not unreasonable for somebody to suggest that if you do
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: that and you get caught and you're proved beyond a
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: reasonable doubt to have known that they didn't do what
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: you said they did, that you're not traumatized, you're embarrassed,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: or you're angry, or you have some other thing that
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: you think you're going to gain, you should go to
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: jail for twenty years or more. And the idea that
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: this is misogynistic because women do it more often is
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: essentially a form of entitlement on your part. If you're
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: female and you're offended by the idea that getting caught
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: lying to police about being raped should get you sent
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: to jail for twenty years for the equivalent of conspiracy.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: To commit all of those crimes, it's because you feel
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: entitled to wreck somebody else's life, to do significant damage
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: to that individual and all of the people around him,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: with impunity. Yep, that's pretty shameful.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: So I have seen on X for the record, the
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: conversation I've been seeing around as people who are not
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: in this part of the internet, just like random people
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: on x discussing whether or not the penalties for false
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: allegations of rape and sexual assault should result in sentencing
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: or prosecution similar to an actual rape or sexual assault.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: And I'm you know, obviously it's too early to tell
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: whether that's going to go anywhere, but all I will
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: say now is that it is good that that is
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: actually on the table for discussion by people, right. I mean,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: these things they always start off as like people just
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: talking about ideas and they're spitballing things. And I'm seeing
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: this more and more, and even women, i mean even
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: women are like, yeah, that there should be a penalty
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: because this, you know, destroys people's lives, like the people
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: that I've worked with, that work with veterans that have
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: been accused and they have been disorded discharge, go to jail,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: no trial, no nothing. You know, they have mothers, they
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: have sisters, they have you know, relatives who also feel
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: like that, you know, there should be some kind of
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: consequence because like the way it is now, you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: it's it could be like a misdemeanor. Maybe it's like
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: a slap on the wrist. So you when you don't
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: have strong penalties for this kind of behavior, you're gonna
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: get this kind of behavior. So I'm I'm encouraged by that.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I think that that's a good thing. And as far
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: as this particular case goes, you know, the wheel to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: judge justice moves slow. I'm glad that things shook out
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the way they did. It's a shame that it took
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: so long. And I think ultimately, this woman she did
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: something that she found shameful and embarrassing, and she lied
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: about what happened to cover it up. It's a it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: a tale as old as time. You know, a woman
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: does a white and one night stam with a guy.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe she cheats on her boyfriend, maybe she does does
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: something she didn't you know, that she thought was a
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: good idea at the time, but felt bad about it
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: afterwards and regrets it and then says, you know what
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I'll do, I'll just say it was rape. And they
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: do that and it destroys people's lives and that, you know,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, we have to like have some kind of
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: take some kind of stance on this morally, uh and
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: for the sake of justice. So, like I said, I'm
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: glad these guys went out. This is a win in
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: my opinion, And.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: It's good news. So let me tell I got a
• 27:57
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• 27:59
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• 28:01
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• 28:03
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• 28:06
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• 28:09
  Speaker 2: us two dollars and says Hannah and then has like
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: like a happy face and a heart emoji, So thank
• 28:18
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• 28:19
  Speaker 1: What else let me see?
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's basically the the main thing I was
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: just I just wanted to say you guys basically like
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you know, said everything else as usual. So we're just
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: gonna move on from there. Let me know what you
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: guys think about this one in the comments.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: address a couple of things here because I'm seeing some tropes.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: One of them is the rapist get away all the
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: time trope and the other one is the liars make
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: it harder for real victims trope, And I'm gonna put
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: the cabash to both of those right now. If you're
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: gonna put somebody in jail for years and years for
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: crime that they're accused of of, well it evidence should
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: be the standard, not somebody's word. Right, not not an
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: accusation period, And so there should always be evidence required
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: beyond the accuser's statement to prove a rape, and there
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: should always be evidence required to convict somebody of lying
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: to police, and at the evidence that somebody is lying
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: to police is evidence that disproves the lie, not just
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: failure to prove the lie. Just the same thing should
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: be true of consent. There should be there should be,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: or rather refusal, there should be a need to prove
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: that a refusal couldn't or didn't happen in order to
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: convict a person of rape, not just failure to prove consent.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: There should there should have to be proof that this
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: individual overrode the allegedvictims will, and both of those have
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: been destroyed by the feminist narrative, the idea that you
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: can accidentally rape someone by failing to understand whether they
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: consent it or not. That's rape is a brutal crime,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: it is violent. Failing to understand somebody's communications is not violent.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: And if you're going to punish somebody as if they
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: committed a violent crime, that should require that they committed
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: a violent crime.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: The standard for that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Should be that you prove that that individual did something violent,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: not that that individual has to prove that they didn't
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: do anything wrong. So you know that's all your tropes
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: are meaningless in the face of that. You should not
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: be locking somebody up for years for failure to communicate properly.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, So anyway, let us us see about
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: this one of the comments. Move on to the next story. So, Danville,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: this kind of flew over our heads last week, but
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Mike Jay was basically put it out at my attention,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: so we're gonna go ahead and cover it. A Danville
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: City council member is currently in unknown condition after a
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: maniac wielding a flammable liquid set him on fire. City
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Councilman Lee Vogler of Danville, Virginia is reportedly still in
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: the hospital after being attacked last week. A man later
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: identified as shots shot see Michael Buck Hayes that is
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: quite the mouthful, entered Vogeler's office and confronted him. He
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: eventually doused the Republican lawmaker with the flammable liquid before
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: both men left the building, where Hayes then lit Vogler
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: on fire. Vogler was soon airlifted to a hospital, where
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: it was revealed that he had suffered burns over sixty
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: percent of his body but was predicted to survive. Hayes
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: fled the scene, but was eventually arrested by police blocks
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: away from the scene of the crime. Hayes is being
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: charged with attempted first degree murder and aggravated malicious wound.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Police are claiming that this incident quote stems from a
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: personal matter, not related to the victim's position on Danville
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: City Council or any other political affiliation. It sounds like
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: a Florida story. Yeah, but it's Virginia pretty close.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does sound like a Florida story.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I guess it may not be political, but it is
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: very strange and we don't know much about the attacker.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Michael shot see Michael buck Hayes. It sounds like a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: like he's like a I don't know, like a like
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: in a gang or something. It sounds like a gang name.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: But but they're all very white names, so we're good
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: with that.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: I just can't imagine this.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: I don't have much for this, but I'm I'm reminded
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: of that time a couple of months ago when we
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: learned about the conviction of an Australian woman who dowsed
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: a man in gasoline and let him on fire over
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: a master of quote unquot misogynistic comments. And in that
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: same week, people were trying to make Immanuel Macran the
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: quote unquote face of domestic violence against men. If you recall,
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: all that happened was he was filmed in the doorway
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: of an airplane getting his face briefly shoved by a
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: And I'll be careful what I say now, woman. I
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: don't want to face the legal repercussions from a head
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: of state or anything. But it rubbed me the wrong
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: way when people gave a hundred times more of a
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: shit about some cheese eating surrender monkey getting shoved in
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: the face that about a man getting burned alive by
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: a woman, and the excuse given by the mainstream media
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: was quote unquote misogynistic comments or whatever it was. And
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: pardon my pancreas, but that strikes me as something that
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: defense lawyers come up with in a stretched attempt to
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: justify a completely senseless crime. They probably her lawyers that
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: probably sat there with her for hours, going why did
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: you do this?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Why did you burn a man alive? And she just
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: went to say that cad cad the fact you even
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: want from a cad.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: But eventually, actually one of those lawyers remembered that trick
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: they always do. Did he, as a man, like you,
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: as a woman, feel harassed, distressed or alarmed?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, he did.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: Actually he said men are men and women are women.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure there's transfiberc in. They're for misogynistic and
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: that's why the only media outlets that even presented that
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: story presented it as because of misogynistic comments. A woman
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: burned a man alive because she hates men so much
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: that she doesn't even see them as human beings who
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: don't deserve.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: To be burned.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: A man gets burned because of missonry, and once that
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: story has spun through the media, it becomes a man
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: gets burned because of misogyny. To bring it back on topic,
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: society seems to be finding more and more reasons to
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: burn men alive, either autonomously in the case of the
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Free Palestine crowd, or secondarily burned for any reason. It's
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: just it's okay to burn men alive.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: A similar thing happened in the Middle Ages, and history
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: likes to pretend that it only happened to women, but
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: it didn't. Given what we can now experience, we can
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: ascertain that it happens far more often to men. It's
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: just that nobody gives a shit, so they pretend it
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: happens to women so as to justify continuing to do
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: it to men.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Round and around we go, punishing men in.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: The worst possible ways, us agonizing possible ways, while we
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: pretend that it is only women who are punished in
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: such a way. I am sick, ast and gentlemen, I
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: am so bored that I am sick. Leave a comment
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: below here here, are so bored that you are sick?
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Oh? Don't nothing matters anyway? Hope you're laughing along with
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: this nonsense.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Wow, I'll point out from I'll bounce off of Mike here.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: I'm going to point out some fallacies that people have
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: been because I've heard I've heard a few things like
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: this before, and then I'm going to hit the fallacies
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: because I don't like them all right. The first one
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: is that the fact that something bigger, a bigger crime, happened,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean that we ignore small crimes. They're not necessarily
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: equally important, but they're still important. It doesn't mean that
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: somebody should get away with it if they do an
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: active abuse, that is something that a man would be
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: condemned for in public. And you know, everybody's like, yeah,
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: but look at this much worse active abuse. It's not
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: a big deal that she did this, Yeah it is.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: It's just a bigger deal that this other woman set
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: a man on fire. And both big deals deserve attention,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: and both big deals deserve a legal response. The only
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: point in having a big discussion about the smaller, big
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: deal is that it indicates just how comfortable women are
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: hitting men, because a man wouldn't feel comfortable doing that
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: where he risked being seen doing it in public, whereas
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: a woman can feel comfortable setting a man on fire
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: and thinking that maybe she's going to get away with
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: it if she just says, well, it was misogynistic, and
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: then she might you know, he.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: He was a misogynist. How dare he be a misogynist?
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: I was not.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: I was defending myself against misogyny. Your response was disproportionate, lady.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: But there's nothing we can do about it, because misogyny
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: is such a major crime right now. And it's kind
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: of ironic in that you get this, You would expect. Right,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: if your society says a disproportionate response isn't justified and
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: therefore you cannot you cannot go.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Off about this.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: This guy's experience of being hit in public and humiliated
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: in public.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: By his wife, he would also be able to say.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: A disproportionate response is not acceptable, and you cannot set
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: somebody on fire for saying something you think is misogynistic.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: But since a woman did it, yeah, yeah, you know,
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: you might be able to get away with it, as
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: she felt comfortable arguing misogyny as an excuse for disproportionate response. Right,
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: and I was part of a debate on reddit actually
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: is part of what god Alison and Karen and me
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: together before the incident in the Lady MRA's subreddit that
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: really cemented things. There were two stories that were compared.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: One of them was a father who at some sort
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: of gathering at his home, his five year old daughter
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: went missing, and so everybody's looking for her, and he
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: found her. There was a man actively in the moment
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: raping her when he found her, and he beat that
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: guy to death in the moment. He snapped right then
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: and there and just wailed on that guy until he
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: literally died. And that was being compared to a situation
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: in I believe Brazil, where a guy had gone to
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: prison for raping a thirteen year old girl, and I
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: guess they have some sort of he he had some
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: sort of like furlough, like a weekend furlough where he
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: could get out for a couple of days, and he
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: was out, and he had gone downtown that community. He
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: was allowed to go back to the community where the
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: girl lived with her mom or her family. I don't
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: know if the father was even in the picture. But
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: so he goes back to this community and he's just
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: running around the community and he runs into the mom
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: downtown and asks her how her daughter is, and then
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: he goes on with his day and goes to a bar.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: And she got so angry that she went home and
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: got a gas can, went to a gas station, filled it,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: went into the bar, dumped it on him, and set
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: him on fire right there in the bar. And the
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: comparison was, well, these are both defense of a child.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: And I had to explain to people there is a
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: difference between walking in on something in the moment and
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: snapping and losing control of your impulses where you see
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: somebody in the moment doing something horrible, someone you love,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: someone who you are more protective over than even your
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: own self, and then taking you know, so much time
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: to go home, get the gas can, go to the
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: gas station, pay for the gas, put it in the
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: gas can, and then go back to the bar and
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: commit the crime. There's a big difference between those two situations.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: One of them is and in the moment snap and
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: the other one is premeditated behavior out of anger. They're
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: both instances of rage, but the latter that individual should
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: have gone to the police, should have kept her shit together,
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: no matter how angry she was. Granted, what the fuck
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: about the whole getting out of jail for the weekend
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: thing for somebody who molested a child?
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: What fuck Brazil.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: So you kind of got to blame the government part
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: way for making that guy vulnerable to that situation, by
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: making that mother vulnerable and the child vulnerable to his presence.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: But it's still not an excuse to do that. Just
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: like if somebody breaks into your house and is stealing
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: your shit, it's one thing if they try to kill
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: you and you use deadly force in self defense. It's
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: another thing if you shoot them as they're running back
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: to their car in the alley behind your house, and
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: the law differentiates even if it's very close to in
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: the moment, right, So, whatever conflict these guys had, whatever
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: was going on here in this situation, and whatever this
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: individual Shotzi Michael Buck Hayes, whatever Hayes was angry about,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Hayes did something that was premeditated. You have to take
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: the time to gather the supplies to go do this.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: There is no in the heat of the moment, the
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: heat of the argument. This guy set a man on fire,
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: tried to kill him. I had third degree burns on
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: like less than one percent of my body once. Isn't
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: incredibly painful to have your flesh cooked. I did it
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: to myself. Somebody else didn't do it to me. I
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: was curious about whether or not coals on the ground
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: were hot. I was like five years old, and I
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: stuck my foot over it and in preparation to like
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: try to touch them, not thinking about how you cook
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: meat on a grill, And that was how I got
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: the third degree burned.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: But this man had.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Third degree burns over sixty percent of his body. It
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: is remarkable that he's expected to survive well burns not
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: third degree necessarily, but I know.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Some of it will be. And it's just it's actually
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: a miracle that we're.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Able to save somebody in that situation, because years ago
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: we weren't. But the suffering that he is going to
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: go through, like I my heart goes out to him
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: because that is incredibly painful, and the recovery is incredibly pained.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: And then when it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Starts to be less painful, it starts to itch, and
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: the itching is worse.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: It's torture.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: You can't scratch it, you can't touch it, you can't
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: numb it. There's nothing you can do but just sit
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: there and itch, kind of like if you've ever had
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: a sunburn that was healing and it just it's like crazy.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: But if you scratched it, it hurt, right.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Only imagine if bits of your skin would come off
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: when you did it and there would actually be a
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: raw tissue underneath.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: It's just absolutely.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Horrific and right, and then the only way they can
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: treat it is with if anything where it's second degree
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: or worse, if that skin comes off, if they can't
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: heal the skin that he has, then and then you're
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: in a situation where you have to have skin grafts,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: and that gets expensive. The medical treatment is going to
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: be expensive, the hospital stay is going to be expensive,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: and on top of that, any time he has to
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: spend off of work is also going to be expensive.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: So while he's going through.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: All that pain and all that suffering, he has to
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: worry that he is not going to get better. No, this,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: this is not the same guy Maren Maron says didn't
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: molest a kid. Not not that we know of the
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: council member. We only know that he was attacked. But
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: the reason I brought up the other case is because
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: I don't care what he did. And I'm saying this
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: as a kid that was a person that was molested
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: as a kid. This is a disproportionate response. Is a
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: disproportionate response. She wasn't punishing him, you know, for the molestation.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: He went to jail for the molestation.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: She was punishing him for for not being miserable and
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: for for talking to her. That's that's why she set
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: him on fire.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: And this is this instance. The Danville City council member
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: who was set on fire was probably set on fire
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: because Hayes wanted him to do something or didn't like
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: something that he did and he didn't obey. It was
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: probably set on fire for being disobedient. But this is
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: a case where a man who is probably the breadwinner
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: for his family is going to have to worry about
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: losing his home, losing his job. We don't know exactly,
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: you know, how how bad the damage is to his body.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: He will have health problems from from this for the
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: rest of his life. UH, he will have will have
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: absolute difficulty going out in the cold, he will have
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: difficulty dealing with UH with water, and he will have
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: difficulty keeping his skin undamaged in future situations. And and
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: he will also have emotional trauma from this. That's going
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: to be harder for him to talk about because he's
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: a man. For people saying there's no disproportionate response to molestation, yeah,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: torture is a disproportionate response no matter what the crime.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: You can suggest the death penalty and that's debatable, but
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: torture is always wrong. There is no excuse for torture,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: no matter who you are, no matter what the individual did.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: That's not justice, that's just you taking out your rage.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: It's and doing that does make you a bad person.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: But in any case. And and again, like I said,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I'm saying this as an individual who was victimized. If
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: a victim can actually recognize that the perpetrators are still
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: people and and maybe they're too dangerous to.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Allow to live. Human beings. Human beings do.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Terrible things, and we can be better if we are regular,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: law abiding citizens, if we are not just as bad
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: as they are. We can be better than to resort
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: to temper tantrums instead.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Of just outcome. Just outcome is fair for everybody.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: But when you respond with a temper tantrum because you're
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: so upset about what somebody did, that's essentially you lowering
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: yourself to their level, or worse, because you're you're actually
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: lowing lowering yourself to a more violent, more barbaric level.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: If you set someone on fire because you're mad. We
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: don't engage in cruel and unusual punishment, not because we
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: think that people who did terrible things are somehow deserving
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: of lenience, but because we think that people who haven't
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: done terrible things should should remain people who haven't done
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: terrible things. And I think most of the people who
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: advocate a terrible response like that are people who have
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: never faced or perpetrated violence in their lives. It's ugly, painful,
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: and if you have a heart, it's traumatic to do
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: something violent to another person. And I'm a person who's
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: done that too, right, I've broken other women's bones in
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: self defense. I'm gonna finish this in self defense. But
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: the sound never gets out of your head. You still
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: remember that for the rest of your life. Occasionally I
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: still have nightmares about the fight, all right. So advocating
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: cruel and unusual punishment.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Might feel good.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: But when you talk about something in terms of requiring
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: someone else's violence and requiring someone else to be the
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: bad guy that does that violence because you know you're
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: not gonna do it, that's an act of cowardice. It
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: has absolutely nothing to just to do with justice, and
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: it also promotes the type of thinking that leads to
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: people like hey, doing what he did, he probably felt
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: justified too, that's right.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Well, right now, we don't know what the what the
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: reasoning is behind this attack, so I guess we'll follow
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: up when we learn more because it might be really interesting.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: So thank you Mike Jay for bringing this story up.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: But we got to move on to the next one,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: So let us know what you guys think about that
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: in the comments. All right, So this is kind of
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: a big one. Starting on August thirteenth, twenty twenty five,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: YouTube is going to be rolling out an AI powered
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: age estimation system in the US to identify users under eighteen,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: regardless of the birth date provided during account registration. Announced
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: by James Besser, YouTube's director of Product Management, the initiative
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: aims to enhance online safety for minors by automatically applying
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: age appropriate protections such as disabling personalized ads, limiting repetitive
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: views of sensitive content like body image really related videos,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: and enabling digital well being tools like screen time reminders.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: The AI analyzes user behavior including video search types, viewing categories,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: and account longitivity longevity sorry account longevity without collecting new data.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: The system, already in use in unspecified markets, will initially
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: be tested on a small group of US users before
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: broader implementation. If the AI incorrectly flags a user as
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: under eighteen, they must verify their AID using a government ID,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: credit card, or selfie, raising privacy concerns amongst experts like
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: David Green of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, who warn of
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: potential data retention risks. YouTube clarifies that such data won't
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: be used for advertising, but lacks transparency on other uses.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: The move aligns with global trends, including the UK's Online
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Safety Act an Australia's social media ban for under sixteens,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: though YouTube faces backlash replacing the burden on users to
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: correct AI errors. Critics on platforms like Reddit argue the
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: system may misjudge users based on diverse viewing habits, potentially
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: impacting content creators and revenue due to restricted teen audiences.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: Let us never forget what the Internet is, as gentlemen.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: It is the telephone with pictures, not even symbolically. It
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: is literally the telephone, but with added pictures. We've had
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: access to telephones for longer than anyone can remember, and
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: you never heard concerned parents going whoe with me? My
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: child phoned a sex line and some thought whispered, sweet,
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: nothing'st her into our child's ear. It was horrible because.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: You know, because you'd go, well, how did that happen?
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: We we handed the phone to our child and said here,
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: dial any number you like. Will be in the other room,
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: not paying any attention to what you're doing. Like you
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: wouldn't do that, so why would you do that with
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: the Internet. Just don't give them the fucking Internet. They
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: don't even need the Internet. Children need to go out
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: with their friends in real life and fall about and
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: skin their knees and have elaborate space adventures with the
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: stuffed tiger and whatnot. Don't get me wrong, mobile telephones
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: are a god's end when it comes to kids because
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: it vastly reduces the possibility of them getting lost, at
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: least for any worrying length of time. Like the meme
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: about how the movie Home Alone couldn't happen in today's
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: age because Kevin would just text his mom going I'm
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: home alone, and then she'd go, oh, I'm so sorry, Kevin,
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: and then she'd come home the end. And that's It
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: can't be overstated how huge of a problem has been
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: solved by mobile phones. How much peace of mind has
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: come about now that kids can have a device that
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: can call their parents at any time from anywhere. And
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: that's largely why mobile phones became so popular in the
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: late nineties and the early naughties. And it wasn't a
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: problem because those phones didn't have access to the Internet.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: They had calls, they had text messages, and they had snake.
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: That was enough, and that's still an option, folks. You
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: can give your child a phone that cannot access the Internet.
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: You can give your child a games console that cannot
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: access the Internet. In the nineties, that was all we
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: had and it was awesome. But a smartphone with internet
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: access a device that gives you all the information in
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: the world.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: That is for adults. It's like guns.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: You should be able to have a gun, and you
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: should keep it somewhere where kids cannot access it. It's
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: the same with knives. Even though you keep knives in
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: the kitchen where kids.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Can access them.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: It's just a case of if they pick up a
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: knife and start waving it around, you take the knife
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: away from them and you tell them don't do that,
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: don't touch that.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: You'll hurt yourself. And if we can.
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: Manage that, which we have for a very fucking long time,
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: then I'm sure we can manage to prevent children from
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: accessing the Internet through a device that requires a password
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: to unlock it. Just don't give the password to the
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: fucking kid. Problem solved.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: It's a hell of.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: A lot easier and less totalitarian than making adults give
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: their legal and biometric data just to access the Internet.
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: I suppose a counter argument might be, but some parents
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: won't do that, They'll just let their kids run wild
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: on the internet. And yes they will, and they will
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: also let their kids run wild in general, because some
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: parents do that, and they will raise absolute shit bags
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: with no sense of boundaries, and on their heads. Be
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: it on the heads of the kids, and the parents
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: let them deal with the healthpawn they're created. It shouldn't
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: be our problem. Again, it's incentives. It's if raising a
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: nightmare child who has no boundaries will end up giving
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: you a hard time and only you, then people will
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: be incentivized to discipline their children. Just that you shouldn't
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: give your five year old a loaded gun for Christmas.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Or you'll probably get shot.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: Like everybody understands this, people don't understand how the same
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: thing is applies to the Internet, because the Internet is
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: new and we still don't quite understand everything about it.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: A further counter argument might be, but if so much
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: as one child is allowed access to a smartphone they
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: can find online pornography and then show it to all
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: the other children, well, you're not going to fix that
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: with these janky ass attempts to make children prove they're
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: not children. Children are really good with computers, like naturally.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: It's kind of scary, actually. They can figure these things
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: out in seconds that a boomer would be forever flummoxed by.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: The Only way to keep kids away from the Internet
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: is not to give them the Internet.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I know that sounds difficult, but it's not their kids.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: They don't know what you don't tell them. It's really
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: quite simple.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: Of course, it all becomes more complicated when you send
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: them to school and you severely increase their likelihood of
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: encountering that one kid who has a smartphone with pawn
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: on it. Well, I think you can anticipate my advice there.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: Don't send your kids to school, especially state school. It
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: is a wretched hive of scum and villainy and government propaganda.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: There you go, problem solved. Homeschool your kids. It's never
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: been easier to homeschool your kids now that we have, ironically,
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: the Internet. We have all the world's information at our fingertips,
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: and we can curate that information. When it comes to
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: what we do and do not show two children. The
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: government does not need to be involved. If the government
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: should be doing anything, it's simply to reiterate the message
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: that I have just told you the importance of keeping
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: children away from the Internet for the same reason that
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: you should.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Keep them away from drugs.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: It's too much information, it's too much brainwarping experiences. Children
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: don't need that, they don't benefit from that. Children need
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: to understand the real world. And that's why we still
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: give them pencils even though no one else uses them.
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: And they enjoy this. They like this, they like understanding
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: the real world. So give them what they like, give
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: them what they need. It's not even difficult. I'm not
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: even a parent, and I can figure this out. I'm
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: not even a real doctor, and I can figure this out.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: And needless to say, none of this is medical advice.
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: Please do ignore me for your own sake.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: I am a parent, and I am also of the
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: sex that is primarily at fault for this.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Right. I'm female.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: Women did this, And if you want to know how
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: women did this, women made it normal for the establishment
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: to use fear, fear of predators, fear of mistakes, fear
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: of everything in between, right to convince the public to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: accept like all kinds of infractions against your civil rights,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: your human rights, your privacy, you know, everything under the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: sun changes to your due process rights, confiscation of your
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: property through the tax system. It's and this is no different.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: Nobody is doing this. None of the entities that are
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: doing what YouTube is doing it and their various iterations
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: of doing it, none of them give a rats ruddy
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: ass about your children. They do not care, right, they don't.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: They're not trying to protect your kids. They're not trying
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: to protect you. They're not trying to prevent crime. They
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: are trying to get your information. This is strictly done
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: for the purpose of data mining, because data on you
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: is incredibly valuable. It's valuable to advertisers, it's valuable to thieves,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: it's valuable to your government, and it allows more control
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: over you and how you spend your money. That's the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: only reason behind any of this, and there are all
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: kinds of evidence proving that, not the least of which
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: is the fact that YouTube hasn't gotten rid of the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: pedophiles on its platform, and it hasn't gotten rid of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: the material that is targeted toward children that is damaging,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: that creates weird mentalities like fetishizing being kidnapped and raped,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: And if you don't know what I'm talking about. Look
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: up cake stories, just go through until you start getting
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: to the weird stuff because it's there. And it's if
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: you watch one of those videos and you picture being
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: a parent, you know, checking over a child's shoulder to
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: see what they're watching on YouTube, but you know, the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: kid has headphones on, so the parent can't see or
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: can't hear what the kid is hearing. They can only
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: see this cake decoration video. You don't you don't know
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: what your kid is actually accessing there, and it's really
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: some of it's really sick, some of it's really weird.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: And and there's so many of those videos that are
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: just like normal you know, funny stories or weird stories
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: or that are that are not scary weird shit that
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: you know when when the kid finds the ones that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: are if you've watched a couple of you know, my
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: my sister and I were in the store when this
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Karen came in and did something stupid and she got
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: her come up in stories, then you think, oh, well,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: you know, the kids learning social skills and and you
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: don't hear the story where you know, the teenager talks
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: about getting kidnapped and raped and the kid is listening
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: to that.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, they.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: Still have all that shit on their platform. They still
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: have videos where the parents have posted a kid going
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: swimming or some some other thing where they're in a
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: bathing suit, or they're posting their kids dancing around.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Look, this is so cute.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: And then in the comments it's all pedophiles making comments
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: about the kid's body and stuff like that and networking
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: with each other, which is really bizarre. That stuff hasn't
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: been They don't got rid of that stuff. But they
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: do want your ID, They want your photographs because you know,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: dat of breaches don't exist. They want your driver's license
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: because you know data reaches don't exist, and they want
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: all of your social media to have that. Yes, albatross
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: stuff like Elsagate. Like when my kids were little, you
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: know they were before I let them listen with headphones.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: We had discussions about what it was okay to hear
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: and see without you know, giving giving mom a heads
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: up or Dada heads up. Hey, this is kind of weird.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: I just ran across the things kind of weird. And
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: you know, one of my daughters, when she was sixteen,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: was contacted by somebody that she thought was a family
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: member of one of her classmates, and he was saying
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: some pretty inappropriate things. She ran into a predator. Turns
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: out that he was an area predator, and we were
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: able to send the cops directly to his house, and
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: so that was good.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: But if we hadn't.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: Had all those discussions, and there hadn't been years of,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: you know, no access without parental supervision and discussion about
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: what's safe and.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: What's not and.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: Parent child interaction to ensure that the child is defending
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: him or herself against these kinds of things by going
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: back to mom or dad and saying, hey, you know,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: this seems kind of hanky, what's going on here? That
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: guy might have had access. It would have been terrifying
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: to think of if we hadn't prepared her by the
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: time she was sixteen to defend herself in that situation
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: by seeking help. And this is what parenting is.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: You do stuff with your child.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: You don't set your child aside and go do stuff
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: without your child while your child just wanders the internet.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: But in the meantime, because women have started spending more
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: time doing other things besides parenting after they have kids,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: such as working more than full time or expecting to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: party just as much after they've gotten settled down with
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: a family, kids are ending up in these situations. You know,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: kids can't raise themselves, and if women can't be smart
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: enough to recognize that you can't substitute one thousand safety
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: nets for direct parenting of your own child, we're doomed.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's almost like, you know, if you were,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: say a power hungry, like elite person that worked in
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: the highest echelons of our society and you wanted to
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: have absolute control over the population, you basically create incentives
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: for people to have to like let their kids be
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: raised by external entities like our education system, TVs and
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: the internet, so that that's the world that they know.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: And you do that first by removing men from the home,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: and you basically put women in a position where they
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: become dependent on the state to replace those men. And
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: that means the state raises their children, educates everybody. And
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: it's been going on for at least a couple of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: generations now, and I think we're seeing the fruit of that.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: And so it's easy for people to like ease into
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: this stuff. And I know this seems like far afield
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: from this specific story of YouTube. The a to verify ages.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: But I mean it falls perfectly in line with it.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: And again, you know, most people are already on YouTube. I
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: don't think I think this is just comes down to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: like a question of parenting. Like I don't have kids,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: but my brothers. My brother has kids and he doesn't
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: let them use the Internet. Only one of them can
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: now and she's like grown, she's like a college student.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: So but uh, I think it is the best move
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: because I don't even think that age restrictions help that much.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that ultimately they're just going to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: become a tool to filter content out that they don't
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: want kids to see. Like do you think that you know,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: there's like YouTube channels of like gay men testing dildos.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Do you think that kids will be able to access that?
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Because I think that there's like it's completely like you
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: can find it easily by looking it up, you know.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: So it depends like what content is it is going
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: to be deemed you know, let's say adults only by
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: YouTube and the people who work there. I don't think
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: it's going to be that stuff because they're kind of
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: like in that you know, global homo mindset, right, while
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: all this stuff needs to be seen. Do you think
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: there's going to be like drag Queen Story Hour videos
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: that are gonna get hidden if they're specifically reading children's books.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. So at the end of the day,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: it does have to come down to parenting. That's the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: only solution really.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: So AI is going to make a mistakes power powers
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: of beer opposed to parenting, So they don't want to
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: encourage it.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: They want to facilitate not parenting.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And they want to facilitate codependency on the state
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: that and they need to be through the women because
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: men generally, well, first of all, even if they need
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: help in the state, they don't get it, but they're
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: less likely to take it anyway. So it's done through
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: the women in particular.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: And they're also they're also less likely to trust safety nets. Yeah,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: men recognize that if you want something done right, you
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: do it yourself right. But it is sad. It's sad
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: to see the generation that look jen X and goes,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: oh my god, you came home from school with a
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: key around your neck and let yourself in and cook
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: your snack in the microwave and we're home alone for
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: an hour before your parents got home from work savages, right,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: but then they let their kids on the internet with no.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: Supervision and they use it as a babysitter.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: That's like sending your kid downtown in New York City
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: and telling them just hang around there until I get
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: home instead of having them sit at home and read
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: a book or something.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's tal want you guys think about this.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: One of the comments there was something I forgot to
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  Speaker 2: read from earlier. I'm going to read it now. I
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  Speaker 2: and kind of a promising one. So in July of
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, a hormone free male birth control pill
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: YCT DASH five to nine, developed by Your Choice Therapeutics
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: in collaboration with the University of Minnesota and Columbia University,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: passed its first human safety trial, marking a significant step
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: towards expanding male contraceptive options. The trial, conducted in the
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: UK by Quotient Sciences, involves sixteen healthy men aged thirty
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: two to fifty nine all va sectimized to avoid fertility risks,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: who received single doses of yct DASH five two nine
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: ranging from ten to one hundred and eighty milligrams. The
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: pill works by blocking a vitamin A metabolite in the testes,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: temporarily halting sperm production without affecting your hormone levels, offering
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: a reversible alternative to condoms and vasectomies. No serious side
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: effects were reported, with the drug showing good bioavailability, suggesting
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: a potential once daily dose of around one hundred and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: eighty milligrams if it's approved. The trial, published in Communications
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  Speaker 2: Medicine on July twenty second, twenty twenty five, five, focus
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: solely on safety and tolerability, not efficacy in reducing sperm counts,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: which is being evaluated in ongoing phase two trials. These trials,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: involving twenty eight and ninety day dosing periods, aim to
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: confirm the safety and assess sperm suppression. Researchers including doctor
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Gunda gorg and Or, George I. Think and doctor Stephanie Page,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: emphasized the pill's potential to promote equitable family planning, with
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: animal studies showing fertility restoration in four to six weeks
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: promise and ten to fifteen weeks for primates. While the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: drug could reach the market by the end of the decade,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: challenges like larger trials and public acceptance remain, with some
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: exposts reflecting skepticism about male reliability in contraception.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna stop, right.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: Women won't let it happen because it gives reproductive autonomy
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: to bad Overall, women need and want men for two things,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: one pregnancy to financing children once they secure both. From
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: you your history. That's a quote by Paul Elim from
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: A Reason to Eat. Thank you for that, Paul, And
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: it's true. So if men are able to deactivate their
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: automatic path biological pathway to impregnating women and thus cutting
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: off those women's ability to get endless handouts from those men,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: women are going to grasp at every straw they can
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: to make sure it never happens. And it's kind of
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: fun trying to imagine how they're going to frame it
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: as oppression against women. If men can have sex with
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: women without consequence, then they'll just start raping women left,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: right and center, the like a hog wild. With the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: raping counter argument, I don't think rapists are particularly bothered
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: if they produce children or not. I mean, it's never
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: perturbed them before. I don't think rapists while they're raping
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: women think to themselves, oh, man, I hope I don't
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: end up on the hook for child support. They've already
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: committed a crime, and if they are found to be
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: the father of that rape baby, they go to prison.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: They're probably not bothered about the child support on account
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: of they don't have to pay it, on account of
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: they happen to be in prison for it. Rapists probably
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: aren't going to use the male pill, is what I'm saying,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: just like female rapists who rape men in the hope
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: of getting pregnant aren't going to use the female pill.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: It kind of it makes sense, That's what I'm saying.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: The men who would benefit from the male pill are
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: men who want to have consensual on crime sex with
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: women and don't want it result to necessarily result in
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: an eighteen year slavery contract. They want to have the
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: sexual freedom and the reproductive rights that women have and
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: have had for half a century at least. But like
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: I said, make no mistake, feminists will find a way
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: to make this unhappen. Because it means women can't steal
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: men's seed anymore. For as long as they can remember,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: they've had the inalienable right to steal men's seed and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: then steal men's wallets as a result of having stolen
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: their seed. If anything stands in the way of this racket,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: they will pull out all the stops. They will fire
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: up all the victim mentality harder than they ever have.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: And that is saying something it's going to be. If
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: you take them male pill, you're a pedophile. If you
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: take the male pill, you're an in cell and a
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: rapist and a Nazi. And they'll figure out they'll just
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: figure out a way to make it make sense, and
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: it won't make.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Any sense, but it's gonna work anyway.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: Nothing feminists ever said made sense, but they still got
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: their way, and it'll happen again, probably because everyone's distracted
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: by the furiory over all the immigrants and whatnot. Feminists
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: will quietly ban men from having unilateral birth control in
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: any form ever, and no one will talk about it,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: and no one will care. We'll carry on swiping at
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: leaves while the seeds produce more and more of the
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: poison ivy that is my prediction, and my further prediction
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: is that no one will listen and no one will
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: care that I predicted it, because I'm not famous.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Doctor Random mccamman did to use me a batch of radio.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, women have already started doing that. In fact, I
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: can't remember what year it was.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: I want to say.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: Twenty ten when I first saw the thing about the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: temper tantrum Betty for Dan and a bunch of other
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: women had had in Brazil when there was a previous
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: attempt at a male burst control pill using some chemical
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: from cotton seed or something like that, but it didn't
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: pan out for other reasons. But at the time that
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: it was being promoted, they showed up at one of
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: the talks that the scientist was giving about his method
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: and chanted no male pill, No male pill. And their
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: reason was because it took reproductive control away from women.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: Not women's right to choose whether or not they were
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: open to concept, but women's control over whether or not
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: conception happened, meaning that women couldn't just say no, women
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: could override men's no. They wanted women to be able
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: to continue to do that, and so they did frame
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: women as victims if a man who'sed birth control to
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: prevent a woman from becoming a mother using his sperm
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: against his will, and that was actually actually removed that
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: there was a video of this on YouTube, and it's
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: actually still on the wayback Machine. You can see the
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: guy telling the story, but you have to go all
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: the way back to I think twenty eleven to find it.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: He used to be able to archive YouTube videos on
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: the Wayback Machine, and it used to use flash Player
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: to play them. The wayback Machine would view the video
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: basically through its system, buffering it and so it would
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: have that buffered copy and therefore you know, you'd have
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: that flash player view of it. Well, of course, flash
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: player died and YouTube also changed something at about the
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: same time that prevents a buffered video from being stored.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: And while there's a player on.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: The way back.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: Machine that will still view old videos that were archived
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: in you know, eleven, I think even twenty twelve, and
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: none of the videos, you wouldn't be able to archive
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: this video today. You could archive the page, you could
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: archive the comments, but the wayback Machine wouldn't actually archive
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: the video. There'd be no buffer, no nothing, right, So
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: there's that. But the other thing that women did win
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: this pill. When they started talking about this pill initially
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: and started trying to figure out how to do this
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: without hormones because men's men's hormones are a little bit
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: more cut and dry than women's. There were a bunch
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: of articles, a bunch of feminist articles, would you trust
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: a man to take the pill?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: And they false framed it as if he's using birth control,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: she can't also use birth control, so it's it's one
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: or the other, and therefore you can't have male birth
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: control because that that should be something that the woman
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: is doing and not the man.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: When in reality, there is no such truth there. That's
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: not a real thing.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: Right, feel like saying, well, if your partner eats dinner,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: you can't also eat dinner.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: Bullshit.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: If your partner wears pants, you can't also wear pants, bullshit.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: Your partner using birth control doesn't prevent you from using
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: birth control as well. It's not like they're both condoms.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that you'd be will double up on condoms,
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  Speaker 4: But you can certainly take your own pills no matter
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  Speaker 4: what pills he is taking, and you can certainly expect
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  Speaker 4: condom use even if he's on the pill, right, and
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  Speaker 4: you can. You can certainly add spermicide to your routine.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: You can certainly use spermicidal foam or film or use
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  Speaker 4: in addition to your own pills. You can use like
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: a diaphragm or a sponge or a shot instead of
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: a pill that you know, you don't have to go in.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: You don't have to take it every day. You go
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: in once every three months and get it. You know,
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  Speaker 4: there's a ton of things that you can do in
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: addition to his birth control pills. So framing it like
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  Speaker 4: if he has access, you don't anymore is bullshit, right,
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  Speaker 4: The feminists did that. We went over articles about that
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  Speaker 4: just a few years ago on HBr Talk where feminists
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  Speaker 4: were framing the idea of a male birth control pill
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  Speaker 4: as if it was taken birth control use away from women.
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  Speaker 3: Instead of in addition to.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, they're already doing that, but they're gonna have
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  Speaker 4: a rough road of ho if they're going to do that,
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  Speaker 4: because this isn't the only thing that's coming out, all right.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: Plan A is also a it's in it's in trials,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: and it's expected to come out next year. That is,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: for people who are familiar, it's vassal gel. It's a
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  Speaker 4: contraceptive hydrogel that is injected into the vast deference and
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  Speaker 4: it's good for ten years. You don't have to take
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  Speaker 4: a pill every day. It shreds sperm. And it sounds
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  Speaker 4: like if a man wanted to, he could have that
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  Speaker 4: done and still use this pill for added birth control
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  Speaker 4: if he wanted to. And so men will have the
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  Speaker 4: ability to not only double up, but triple up on
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  Speaker 4: their birth control. And there's another thing that's already out.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's got a weird name. It's called uh
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: beimic SLV and it is also implanted.
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  Speaker 3: I believe it is.
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  Speaker 4: Around inside the vast deference, but it's actually a I
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: suppose it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's like an on off switch.
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  Speaker 4: It keeps the sperm from leaving the testes, which there
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: may be health problems with that. It would work similarly
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: to a vas ectomy, except that you could turn it
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: on and off yourself. It's a little bit more vulnerable though,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: because if you can do that, so can sh right.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, there are other options coming out that are
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: things that, you know, things that can be used for
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  Speaker 4: men instead of women. Feminists are going to have to
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: come up with excuse after excuse, and it's going to
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: be rather difficult. But it's not feminists that I'm concerned
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: about when it comes to these types of earth control.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: They're not the ones who are freaking the fuck out
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: about low birth rates. They're not the ones who are
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: saying if we don't get the birth rate up, that
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: you know, our society is going to spiral into nothingness,
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  Speaker 4: and then turning around and saying, therefore, we can't do
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: anything to help men because men are obligated.
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  Speaker 3: To produce children.
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  Speaker 4: Right, you can't say women are obligated to produce children
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: because that makes you sound like a certain regime from
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: a certain time period that seems to be the only
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: time anybody ever talks about the loss of bodily autonomy,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: and you know, genocides and all that.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: But you can do it to men.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: So it's going to be a really important thing for
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: men in the next couple of years to get their
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: Republican representatives to understand the importance of planned children whose
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: parents are dedicated to child rearing and will remain together
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: and raise them in a stable, two parent home, because
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: otherwise there will be a tax on this and it
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: won't come from feminists. It'll come from traditionalists, and it
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: won't necessarily even be traditional women. It'll be traditionalist politicians
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: who think that their tax dollars are being attacked, and
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: unless you get them to understand that actually children born
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: out of wedlock are in that drain on the tax system,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: and that if they don't create a pathway for more
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: kids to grow up and be net tax contributors as
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: opposed to tax beneficiaries, then they're going to end up
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: in a situation where the nation will no longer be
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: sustainable and they will no longer be in charge. That's
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: essentially what needs to change. Will this actually know pan out?
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: Will these birth control methods actually go on the market?
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  Speaker 3: Hope?
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  Speaker 4: So, I really do, because men deserve the right to
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: determine whether or not they want to be parents, and
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: they deserve as many tools as can be made available
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: to them, just like women have. But do I trust
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: the government to keep their.
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  Speaker 3: Nose out of this, fluck?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 4: So make your voices heard because otherwise this, this very
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: easily could be taken away.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, so like they're going to fight this. Feminists
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: will fight this too because they don't want men having
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: control over their fertility. They only want women to control it,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: so they've and they've done this in the past, but
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: we'll see where it goes. I think that there is
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: more momentum behind at least like giving men more control
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: over their own fertility. I think, frankly, if you can
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: just like you know, you you you can just substain
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: and I mean, I know it's not it's easier said
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: than done, but it might be the safest thing. I
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: think that the birth control pill for women has been
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: disastrous on on them, on their health and society because
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: we wanted they pushed it out without knowing what the
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: effects were gonna be. And now we're learning and we've
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: been we've you know, talked about this for a long time,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: all of the negative side effects of female birth control
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: and how it messes with your hormones. You know, it
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: just it's disastrous, really.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: You know, there is a conversation al wants to have
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: because again, the thought of you know that this pill
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: that's changed are transformed our society so much, is actually
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: something that we should probably never have put into you know,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: into the mainstream to the extent that we have. I
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: think that's a conversation many many people are not ready
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: to have right now. And so, you know, I would
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: say that for the male birth control pill, it sounds good,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: but I would I would I would caution against jumping
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: on this right away, not because of the necessarily because
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: of the political resistance, but just purely like the science
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: behind it. We have to get you know, we have
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: to understand that. Like we've all heard safe and effective before, Oh,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: let's see, like you know what I'm saying, Let's approach
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: to the grain of salt and make sure that we,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: you know, know what we're getting into. And I think
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: that I think that men are perfectly capable of abstaining
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: if that, if it comes down to it, right so,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: and I would suggest that as well, because one of
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: the things that this pill does, and I got to
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: wrap it up to this, but one thing that the
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: male pill will do is I think it will cut
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: down on paternity fraud, you know, and this kind of
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: like child support things like this, because if a man
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: can prevent a pregnancy himself, and I've seen instances where
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: men have gotten vasectomies and women have accused them of
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: impregnating them and the women did not know that those
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: men had gotten vaseectomies, and then it would come out
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: later it's like, no, I couldn't possibly have gotten you
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: pregnant because I had a vaseectamy and it turned out
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: to be some other guy, because she's like sleeping with
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: multiple dudes, right, So I think that ultimately, you, before
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: anything even gets into the picture that is like a
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: pill or a contraceptive of whatever type, you ultimately, as
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: a man, do have control over your fertility, just like
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: any woman done. And I'm saying that, you know, men
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: have a lot more to lose from an accidental pregnancy,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: I think so I would I would say that this
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: is good news because ultimately it's a conversation about how
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: much you know, men's fertility matters in this whole mess.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: And I think that's really the main takeaway. But anyway,
• 1:28:47
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• 1:28:48
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• 1:28:50
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• 1:28:55
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• 1:28:58
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• 1:29:02
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• 1:29:05
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• 1:29:09
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• 1:29:15
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  Speaker 6: Men's right activists are machines, dude, Okay, they are literal machines.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to deal with,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: especially if you have like, especially if you have like
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: a couple of dudes who have good memory on top
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 6: of that too. Holy shit, you're fucked.