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Xbox is the new Xbox: Project Helix Confirmed & Tim Cook Steps Down · Multiple Nerdgasm

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I didn't fix the volume. No, it's complained, so it's
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their own fault. Yeah.
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Yeah. So at the moment it's currently
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half time in the Storm V Rabbitos.
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Rabbitos are currently winning, OK, now left to come and record
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this. If I go back and they are
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losing, I'm going to be very upset.
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Are they still going to be playing at the end of this?
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They'll have lost. They'll either have lost or won
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by the time we finish. They'll they'll have lost
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probably. But you know what?
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I'm joking. I don't know anything about
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football. So well, it's they're currently
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like 24 to 0, like it's this is really uncommon that they're
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winning. But though then they sometimes
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slack off in the second-half. So I'm still not confident.
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Yeah, because you can get hang on, I it's been a long time. 6
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points for a try and a conversion.
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Yeah, 4 for a try, 2 for a conversion.
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Right. Yeah.
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So it's that's only four converted tries.
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Yeah. And we've actually scored more
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than that, but. People wondering what's a try?
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Did you get points for having a go?
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It's a touchdown, yeah, for the Americans.
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Yeah, the equivalent. Yeah, but our game takes 80
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minutes and it gets played for 80 minutes.
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Right. Yeah, none of this.
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Let's have a break and talk about it.
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Yes, you don't get the 60 minute game that takes 3 1/2 hours.
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No, no. We get in there, we run at each
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other and stuff happens. Well, I hope they continue to
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succeed. So do I see what I'm sacrificing
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for everyone to be here? I appreciate it.
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Well, in that case, let's begin in your wheelhouse Xbox stuff.
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We've got Xbox news. I was right.
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About which in? Particular my rumour that
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they're looking at getting rid of Call of Duty from being a day
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one exclusive. Yeah, they've reduced the price
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of Game Pass. Yeah.
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So they've reduced the price and I actually got an e-mail about
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it today to say for my next one it's going to be the cheaper
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price. Yeah.
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And but yeah, they do explain that from now on, Call of Duty
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will not be a day one or come into Game Pass about a year
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after which but. I won't.
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But I think the reason they're doing it is they looked at how
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much money they lost by Call of Duty going to Game Pass.
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Oh, OK. They lost a lot of sales, like
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about $3,000,000 because people just got it on Game Pass and.
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So you think that was the motivation, not people
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cancelling game pass or or both? It might have been a bit of
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both, but I think that may have played a bit of a part in it.
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They looked they it's all about money.
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Yeah, of course. They're not looking about.
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Even when it's about getting people on Game Pass, that's
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about money, yes, Yeah. Yeah.
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So I think they looked at the pros and cons and went, look, if
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we reduce the price, we make people happier, they'll come
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back. But.
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But we'll also make more money from selling Call of Duty, Yeah.
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Well, I might come back. I wasn't going to buy Call of
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Duty anyway, anyway. So you've got to wait for a game
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that you want to be there. Yeah, well, out of Worlds 2 is a
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game that I want to play that's on there, but but I don't have
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time. Yes.
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Not having game pass for what, 6 months now has taught me doesn't
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really matter. Yeah, don't exactly what time to
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play it anyway. And then like if I find time
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there's plenty of stuff I've I've bought over the last five.
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What? How long have I had an Xbox
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Series X? Who knows?
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Who knows? I've got games, yes.
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Yeah, yeah, let's stop the end of the world.
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So I don't know it is more appealing though.
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Was it $22.00 for me now instead of 30?
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Yeah, I forget. I think I'm now 26 or something.
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That's the difference now. But I do get ultimate because I
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do play on PC and Xbox so. Yes, right.
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Well I play on GeForce Now which can do the Xbox.
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Oh, OK, that's too bad. That's quite good then.
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Yeah, yeah. And oh, that reminds me, there's
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something that I've not put in here.
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We won't talk about it yet, but I would like to talk about it.
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I will put it in there. Now, while we are still talking
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about Xbox, there were rumours, Xbox rumours that Project Helix,
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which we have already talked about, it's the new Xbox.
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There were a bunch of rumours going around that it's actually
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not really an Xbox as such. It's a chip and it's going to be
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more like the rogue thing you've got.
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The third parties will be making the new Xbox, and Xbox isn't
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actually going to be making new Xbox.
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This rumour was apparently doing the rounds this week and
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Microsoft have confirmed in fact who specifically Jason Ronald,
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the vice president of Xbox's gaming devices and ecosystem,
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has said Project Helix will be available as a first party Xbox
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console. So they will be a Microsoft made
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or Xbox Made Which? I saw he make that announcement
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but I didn't know it was in relation to rumours that.
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Yeah it will, because the rumour was it won't be sold directly to
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consumers, but you'll be able to buy an Asus, MSI, etcetera Helix
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machine. That was the rumour.
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But but no, apparently not the case.
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You will be. Getting an Xbox?
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Yeah, from them directly. Right.
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That's going to cost a fortune because no one can afford
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memory. Yeah, exactly.
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But interestingly, the word available.
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Is. Used which implies well there
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will maybe also be the other things too because the Project
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Helix will be available. It doesn't say like Project
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Helix Helix will be a first party Xbox console system will
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be available as. So I'm thinking that means both
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are true. Yeah.
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Probably which? Whatever.
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Sure. No.
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Well, I think it's interesting though.
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Like they're going to make a console, but also, you know,
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Asus or Asus, have you pronounced that?
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Yeah, well, it's like the ROG. Right, right.
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Well, that was a surprise. I can use it as everything.
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Yeah, that was a surprise because is the Series X right?
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Yep. Has custom shit in it, does it
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not? Yeah, it would.
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So I just think it's interesting that because you've got one of
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the the rogue things, the yeah, what's it called?
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The Ally. Li yeah LIX.
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Rog LIX. That can run Windows and shit
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too. Yeah.
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So I just, I was, I don't know, I guess they're not as different
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as they used to be. Like, for example, I don't think
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an Xbox 360 could run Windows, right.
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They had custom everything, processes and everything like
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that. I guess the Series X and the
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Helix presumably must be more like APC.
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Yeah. Oh, definitely.
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And I think that's just, I think the Project Helix is going to be
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a lot even closer to APC than the Series X.
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But they have just some fast storage and all that shit I
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guess. I guess maybe Windows can just
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use that? Yeah, we'll just wait and see.
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Yeah, that. Was interesting.
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Still aiming for next year, which I don't know if I'll be
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getting one day one just due to the price.
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Yeah, that's the thing that's scaring me about this one is how
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much it's going to cost now. Right.
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Yeah. Like even with like my lix like
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that, that's gone up to $100 in Australia just due to memory.
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How much are the little hard drives for the Xbox Series X
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now? Because they were already very
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expensive? Are they even?
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More. Yeah, they were.
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I don't know. I haven't looked for a while.
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Yeah, I just, I realized at a certain point I don't need one
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and I'm glad I never bought 1 because I don't need one.
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But I just don't have the desire to have that many games
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installed at once. No, they're externals.
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I want the internal ones. Yeah, the ones you use slot in.
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Yeah, external, sort of. Internal hard drive expansion.
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I mean I. Shouldn't it's just the same OK?
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But with a different connector, like a high speed connector.
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So the Seagate storage one, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The bytes 430 dollars. How much?
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One terabyte. 2 terabytes. Two terabytes still fuck off.
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It's ridiculous. It's more than half the price of
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the Xbox. Yeah, that's ridiculous, all
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right. And the other thing is that
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Microsoft switching back to using the Xbox brand full time,
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they kind of were using Microsoft gaming for like the
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gaming stuff. And then the Xbox was just kind
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of the consoles or whatever they've, they're now reverting
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all that. Basically it's going to be Xbox
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is. Microsoft Gaming.
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It was getting quite confusing as to what was what.
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Right. Yeah, well, so now this is it.
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I think it just says Xbox needs to be our identity.
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You know Xbox is Microsoft gaming.
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They still need to fix their online store for Windows.
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Oh really Still? There's Xbox games, but then
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there's Windows, just games on there and just mixed in on the
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the actual store. If you go off the Xbox app, it
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does focus more on Game Pass and stuff.
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Yeah, Windows Store, it's just all mixed in together.
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Wait. So you could accidentally buy a
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game you can't play. Get achievements on.
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Oh, get achievements on. Don't.
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That's all I care about. This is.
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A fairly niche problem for you. Yes.
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OK, OK, that's funny. Yeah, well, everyone knows I
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need the achievements. Yes, I know.
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I'm not going. To get they're revamping them
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slightly for you, you're getting some new new pretty pictures on
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the screen. You're pretty pictures which
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I've got to check and see if I've got an update for that
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soon. Don't check now, we're busy.
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Why can't I check now? Because we're busy boxes there.
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I know it shouldn't be see it get it out of the room if you
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stick it this no. You can check if you want.
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No, it's OK, I can wait. There's one more thing which is
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just there is someone noticed that they've got some new
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responses coming back from their pricing APII don't know, people
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poke around at this shit like they do PlayStation One
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recently. There's some new code names for
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Game Pass API apparently. So the theory is they're going
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to be new bundles of Game Pass that don't exist currently.
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So they've just reduced the current price and now they're
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going to split it out even more. Well, this, I don't know, this
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article does a little bit of a little gymnastics.
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I think that the premise of this headline is that Xbox Game Pass
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could soon offer pick your own deals.
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And I feel like they've kind of taken the ball and run with it a
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bit there. Like there's just, there's a
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thing called Duet and a thing called Triton in the Game Pass
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APIs now which suggest packages of services are in the plan's
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future, like packages of services.
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What? Yeah, I don't know.
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I feel like there must be more to this.
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Like why would those? Two names of two new bundles
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make you suspect that you can pick and choose what you want.
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I know they have like pick your own deals that come up every now
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and again. Oh Duet and Triton 2 and 3.
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Yeah, that's not what it sounds like to me.
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Interesting. I don't know.
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I don't. Know people pick up two things
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and run too too quickly sometimes I think.
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Yeah, I see. I see where they're going with
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it. I mean, yeah, sorry.
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That's another thing that's fall around.
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OK, so to take a current premium and then to let you pick from
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any of the bits and bobs that appear in ultimate day one
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releases, but. They're just guessing.
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They're just guessing based on the names, like yeah.
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Which I think it'd be great because I'd love to have like
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Ubisoft plus just be a part of it or pay once and it might be,
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well, great. Yeah.
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We'll wait and see. I'm.
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Yeah, sometimes they do. When they do dig, dive and dive
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into code, they do find some amazing stuff.
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Other times it's just. That's we've found, we've found,
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I'd say we collectively the human race have discovered that
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Apple is up to something from, you know, from device names
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being leaked in bits of X code and whatnot.
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So. Well, what's Apple up to?
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We'll talk about that later. No, no, no, this that's I didn't
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mean currently, but there is Apple news, but we'll get to
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that. That's that's a yeah.
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Before we do that, there's more game stuff.
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Yes, and I'm actually excited for this one.
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Is this Assassin's Creed? Black Flag.
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I enjoyed that game, I really did.
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I never played it much. I played a little bit of it.
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It looked very good. I just enjoyed like, focusing on
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the ship and upgrading the ship and going around blowing stuff
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up. That was fun to me and that's
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what I was looking forward to when they released.
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The the. The quadruple game game.
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That skull and bones, whatever it was.
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Or yeah, Skull and Bones, where you couldn't even get off the
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ship. Yeah, that was a weird one.
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I mean, this looks good. They've got side by sides.
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I've got to say some of the the side by side videos, yes, this
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looks amazing. It's basically it's a remaster
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remake of of Assassin's Creed Black Flag.
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If you don't, if you don't know what that is, it's a it's a it
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was a launch title for the Xbox X, Xbox X.
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What was it? Series that No Xbox One, the
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Xbox One One. Name the fucking consoles more
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easily for me to remember the Xbox.
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One that's what PlayStation do her what dot dot well,
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PlayStation 1.2345 like easy, yeah.
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The Xbox One, it was like a well, maybe just after launch,
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but it was an early title for that.
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So that's quite a while ago. It's 2013, it's been remastered
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and it looks really good. The videos especially look good.
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Sometimes they put screenshots and I'm like, I don't know if
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the new screenshot looks better. I think the old screenshot looks
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better just in some cases for so I know it's like, oh, why'd you
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pick that one? Weird.
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But no, I I saw this and because it's been coming out for a while
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and yeah. Yeah, there's been rumours about
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it. It leaked actually before they
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officially announced it. Like it leaked, it looks a lot
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better. Yeah, yeah.
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No, it does when it's moving and like the the environments and
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stuff it looks. Like how I remember it, I went
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back and played the original and it's not going to look like
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this. No, no, I've done that before.
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Yeah, that's why I like them remaking games every now and
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again, so I could go back and replay them the way I think they
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were. Yes.
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And also I get more achievements.
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Oh yeah that's true, you can do the same thing again and get
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achievements for it. Does the Assassin's Creed Black
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Flag have collecting feathers and shit?
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No, not to that extent. There's a lot of chess
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throughout the world. Right.
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And we're making. That up, Yeah, yeah, That is not
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musical notes that you have to run and collect and things like
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that. But if I remember, you don't
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have to collect them all to get the achievement.
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I think you have to collect. I didn't.
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Care about achievements, that's pretty clear.
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That's not why I was asking. I just I care about the fun.
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Well, you don't have to collect them.
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I Yeah, exactly. And if it's not fun.
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I won't, just don't do it. Yeah, exactly.
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But some of them got very frustrating to collect.
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Yeah. But no, I do remember there
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being lots and lots of chess in the world at one point.
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You just have to. Go Oh, you're a pirate?
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Need to open them? Need to collect everyone in
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every town. Yeah, but you're a pirate.
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You want the treasure. And then you'll just be standing
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around in a ship where you'll see someone floating in the
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water and you just go, you're now part of my crew.
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Oh. That's all that worked in real.
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Life. Yep.
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Yes, you saved them. You're now part of the crew.
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Get to work. You work for me now mate.
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Yep. You know, we might go back to
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port. We're not letting you off the
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boat. Well, Speaking of just grabbing
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people and making them work for you, yes, there's another game
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that's getting an enhanced version and that is a game that
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I just started replaying. We've talked about this last
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week and. I think it's time to stop
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playing it. I have because they have
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announced fucking Conan Exiles is getting Unreal Engine 5 like
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redo And have you seen the videos for this?
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That's a dramatic. Improvement.
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It's. 'Cause even I remember playing
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the original, it didn't look that great.
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No Assassin's Creed Black Flag looked good.
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The original 1 Kern exiles did not.
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It was like, no, the the yeah, it was not a a visual.
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Looked all brown and all spots I see I didn't travel that far.
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It was brown and janky. Yeah.
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Yeah. This looks good.
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So I think this is what coming to PC on the 4th of May I
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believe. Yes, and people are free.
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It's free, Yeah. So I.
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Just why are they upset? Consoles aren't getting this
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mate. You're not getting this.
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There are currently no plans for consoles, however they haven't
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ruled it out. What they said was they they
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probably do it at some point. Yeah, no, I'm amazed that
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they've gone and done it for PC to be honest.
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I know I and and also I suppose because they're not potentially
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not getting any more money out of this.
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No, that's that makes it interesting to me.
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Is that like? And I thought that is.
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Anybody going to buy this that didn't already buy Conan Exiles
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back in whenever the fuck it came out?
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Like 20 years. Ago, 2017. 2017, so almost 10
18:45
years ago. Almost 10 years ago and yeah.
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And especially with the June being out, you think all their
18:51
focus would be on that? Still playing Dune.
18:54
Dune's great. Played that yesterday.
18:57
I played most days, just a little.
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I have a little bit got to check on my just got to check on
19:01
things so. Just make sure your base isn't
19:04
deteriorating. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, I've got so I've got. We don't have to talk.
19:10
I won't. I won't Babble on about this
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too. I'm sure people sick of hearing
19:12
about it. You.
19:13
The most you can fuel up your base in Dune is 20 days. 20
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days, OK. The most you can, you know,
19:20
power up your Shields and stuff. Like for a couple of weeks you
19:22
can plan for that. And yeah.
19:25
So I just keep topping them up and then every now and then I
19:27
have to duck out to my my rift base and my radiation base.
19:33
Yeah, just to pick up a few things stock and.
19:36
Then make sure they're powered up.
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Yeah. Because.
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Then. I don't one off again until
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you've got time. Yeah, I go there when I need
19:42
things, yeah. And that's fair.
19:45
Yeah, but a current Excel's enhanced, I mean.
19:49
Great, the. Only problem is that yeah, mods
19:52
probably aren't going to work. Which is fine, I'm not using
19:55
that many, I'm using and and they might cover some of the
19:58
things the mods I'm using do in. The mods, the mod community,
20:03
they will get that fixed so quickly.
20:04
Sure, like if you look at like a lot of the Bethesda games,
20:08
there's quality of life mods that come out within days of it
20:12
being they're being released. So the mod mod as well just get
20:14
them sorted if if people are still using them I think yeah.
20:18
Like the main ones that I'm using are the to make it look
20:23
better, like improvements to like appearance like.
20:26
Faces and stuff that. Anymore.
20:28
Yeah, exactly. And then the UI, like, yeah,
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yeah, because the character models were janky.
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So people just added more like options for like, what the face
20:38
looks like and different armor types and stuff like that.
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And that's probably all. This reminds me, I need to go
20:44
back to Morrowind. God, that's a game that almost
20:49
certainly doesn't look like what it looks like in my head.
20:52
No, because. I played a lot of Morrowind
20:54
back. I played a lot of Morrowind back
20:56
in the day and yeah, the, the, the new one, it's.
20:59
Even though. I remember the old one looked
21:01
horrible. I'm thinking right now Rifton
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Rifton, not Rifton. Rifton was in.
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Skyrim. Skyrim.
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What was the town in Morrowind that was just a bunch of fucking
21:12
tunnels? That was tedious and.
21:15
Yeah. What was that town called?
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There's a lot of places in that. But yeah, no, that, that was a,
21:20
that upgrade was amazing. And that's why I'm looking
21:22
forward to playing Fallout 3 again, because there's rumours
21:25
of doing that as well. Wait, there's a Morrowind
21:28
remake? Was it Morrowind I'm thinking
21:30
about or am I thinking about Oblivion I?
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Was going to say I was like. Do Morrowind as well.
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Yeah, do Morrowind. Morrowind is great.
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OK, Yeah, Oblivion look good. Yeah, all they're doing is
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putting a new wrapper on it. They're not changing the game
21:43
mechanics. Just do it.
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I think maybe it's harder for older games because like
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Oblivion presumably was built on some form of engine that just
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kind of expanded Morrowind's long enough ago that.
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Yeah, because that was was that an Xbox title?
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It was an original Xbox. Type.
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Yeah, like an original. An Xbox?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It's yeah, old, old school. But no, give me the Unreal
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Engine of Fallout 3, I'll play that again.
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Yeah, it's just, it's just an interesting point, something I
22:18
discovered the other day. I was looking up movie stuff
22:21
just casually. I saw something about a series
22:26
of movies that I have enjoyed throughout my life, and I was
22:28
looking up stuff about them and I just stumbled into this on
22:32
like through Wikipedia or through something or other,
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right? And I'm actually going to talk
22:37
now about Super 3D Noah's Ark. Have you played this game?
22:42
Super 3D Noah's Ark. Yeah, Super. 3D Noah's Ark.
22:46
No, I cannot say I have. It is a non violent Christian
22:50
first person shooter developed and published by Wisdom Tree for
22:53
the Super Nintendo Entertainment System in 1994 and MS-DOS in
22:56
1995. It.
22:58
Looks like Wolfenstein. Yeah.
23:00
But I want you to read, go down to development and read that
23:07
first sentence for you. Are you able to do that?
23:10
I can I can do this one. Read the first part of where it
23:14
says development. The game would eventually become
23:17
Super 3D Noah's Ark. The game?
23:20
Sorry, I'll start that again. The game that would eventually
23:22
become Super 3D, Noah's Ark, was originally conceived conceived
23:26
as a licensed game based off the film Hellraiser.
23:32
How do you go from Hellraiser to Super 3D Dollars Ark?
23:37
Apparently the founder of Wisdom Tree, Dan Lawton, says he was a
23:42
big fan of Hellraiser, which I thought was interesting given
23:45
that it's a Christian game company, but I mean, it's kind
23:47
of like horror movies too, I suppose.
23:51
Wisdom Tree acquired the rights to Hellraiser for $50,000.
23:55
I think that's, I think it's so interesting because like it's a
24:03
Christian game company. Was it they don't clarify this,
24:06
but like was it a Christian game company company or what?
24:08
Happened during development that they should.
24:10
Like become a Christian like and then was like, oh, you know
24:13
what? I don't think we should make a
24:14
Hellraiser game. But what?
24:15
It just baffles me. Well, it says eventually the
24:19
Hellraiser game concept was abandoned for several issues.
24:21
The hardware was found unsuitable because of its low
24:24
color palette. Which that doesn't really make
24:28
sense to me because. The platform for Hellraiser was
24:31
then switched to PC and the developers were able to make
24:34
more progress. However, by the time the first
24:35
prototype was finished, Doom had been released and Wisdom Tree
24:39
felt that Hellraiser would not be able to compete.
24:45
In addition, the management at Wisdom Tree decided that
24:47
developing and publishing a horror themed game would clash
24:49
with their religious family friendly image.
24:51
Yeah, no shit, that's why. That's why I find this whole
24:54
thing so strange. So they were already a.
24:58
Christian and they it's just like Dan was just not I got to
25:03
make this or what how razor and how razor is like.
25:06
Horror movie about just like like demons from another
25:10
dimension that, yeah, torture people.
25:14
I mean, I guess it's it's like a little bit, but it's not though.
25:20
It's explicitly like not it's, it's a different mythology.
25:24
I guess. It's not not Christian Cal
25:26
Razor. It's like a different mythology.
25:28
Out there you could play though. I, I don't know, I just thought
25:31
this was fucking interesting. This game, Noah's Ark 3D where
25:38
you apparently like it's, it's like Wolfenstein but you go
25:40
around and you shoot food at animals to make them go to sleep
25:44
so you can collect them and put them on the ark that was
25:48
originally hell raiser first person shooter.
25:53
Like baffling. Anyway.
26:00
You know, there must be a sort of somewhat playable version out
26:03
there. I don't know, man, I don't know.
26:06
Well, there's just so. Many layers to that that I'm.
26:09
Like, yeah. Don't understand, I don't
26:11
understand how'd they get the rights to make the game for 50
26:14
grand Like I guess it was during the period when.
26:18
They well remember the value of the.
26:19
Game rights. Well, yeah.
26:21
And also, although this would have been even before, like they
26:25
were making generic licensed crappy movies into games because
26:30
yeah, that sort of came later. I just think they just didn't
26:34
value. When was this 1994 I guess.
26:42
I guess Hellraiser probably wasn't doing much at that point.
26:45
There was a period where Hellraiser didn't have stuff.
26:49
Although when did Hellraiser Inferno come out?
26:51
Or Razor Inferno 2000? Yeah.
26:54
And then before that was Hellraiser Bloodlines Bloodline
27:00
1996 and then Hellraiser 3 was before that, which was
27:04
Hellraiser 3 was 1992. So, you know, there was stuff
27:06
going on, yeah. No, I just think they just
27:09
didn't that. Yeah, if you want to make it,
27:11
we'll take $50,000. Yeah.
27:15
Yeah, I'm thinking not much would come of it because
27:17
remember, this is only like Super Nintendo days.
27:19
This. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:22
And the movie games would garbage.
27:24
Well, not always. Superstar Wars and stuff were
27:27
pretty good. Yeah, but a lot of them were
27:29
just terrible. Yeah.
27:31
Just cash insurance to make money quick.
27:34
I think that also happened, I think, like when Superstar Wars
27:36
was fun because it wasn't trying to tie in with the movie that
27:39
was coming out at the time, so they weren't rushing to get it.
27:42
Out. Yeah, exactly.
27:43
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
27:46
Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I know.
27:50
I just. I was reading stuff about
27:52
Hellraiser. I don't even remember how I got
27:54
specifically to that, but I was like, it said something about
27:56
Hellraiser game that became Noah's Ark Three DI was like,
27:59
what? And then, yeah, it got even
28:02
weirder. Yeah.
28:06
But Speaking of the Nintendo stuff people may have seen,
28:12
we've got some weirdness over here in the US regarding
28:17
President Trump's tariffs that have been found to be illegal.
28:22
He wasn't allowed to do that, apparently.
28:24
However, they did collect quite a lot of money from from us.
28:30
Before they found out it was illegal.
28:32
Well, it's it's weird, right? Because or we'll get to it.
28:36
The the the whole point of this. Yes, they tariffs were imposed.
28:40
We paid the tariffs. There was some confusion about
28:43
that apparently, like. I still don't understand how
28:45
this confusion about who was going to be paying them.
28:48
We, the people who live here, paid more money for things.
28:52
Yes, the tariffs. We paid the tariffs, right?
28:54
So there was. All the way Trump, Trump
28:56
explained. It was the other countries are
28:58
going to pay the tariffs. Because I think he thought they
29:01
would eat the tariffs, which they didn't like.
29:04
Which was never going to happen. He either thought that or he
29:06
just didn't give a shit either. Either could be true.
29:10
Basically, in this case, gamers had to pay Nintendo more money
29:15
for things. Yes, and the big one being the
29:17
switch too. Because of the tariffs and now
29:21
not me, I got in early, but other people.
29:25
And now apparently, you know, they've decided the tariffs
29:29
weren't legal. So they have, they're going to
29:31
refund the tariffs to the companies because the companies
29:36
technically pay the like we, we pay more, but the money, the
29:40
company and then the company had to pay the tariff, right?
29:43
So the companies are now getting the money back.
29:50
And now people are suing Nintendo like consumers are
29:54
suing Nintendo, saying that's my money.
29:56
But I don't think Nintendo would be getting the money back.
30:00
They are. I thought, but wouldn't it be
30:02
the people who imported them that paid the tariff?
30:07
Nintendo put the price up because they had to pay as a
30:12
consequence. Oh, hang on.
30:13
OK, OK, OK, OK. Sorry.
30:15
Importers who paid those tax, including Nintendo.
30:17
Nintendo is the importer. OK.
30:19
So they did import some as well, so OK.
30:22
Become entitled to refunds of the duties they previously paid
30:25
to US Customs and Border Protection.
30:27
And then now people here in the US, consumers are suing
30:33
Nintendo, saying that's my money, give it back.
30:36
Which I think is sort of Fair. Yes, it's just it it, it just
30:41
makes the whole thing even more shitty.
30:44
Yeah, because so the people who really paid are just the
30:48
consumers who? Right, because the Nintendo did
30:52
not eat the cost of the tariffs, they just passed it on.
30:55
Which is why. They passed it on and now
30:56
they're getting, Ron said was. Going to happen.
31:00
They didn't make things the same price and pay, they made us pay.
31:04
Yes. Yeah, so and then yeah, because
31:08
the help, it's not just Nintendo, it's lots of companies
31:12
are all just going to get the money and a lot of them are just
31:15
going to keep it. Yeah, obviously so.
31:18
Well, it's also going to be quite a hard thing to work out.
31:21
Who paid for what and do you still have?
31:23
Your Oh sure, but they're going to have records they've they've
31:26
got you've got to have records legally, I'm sure so they they'd
31:30
be able to do it if they could be bothered, but they.
31:32
Won't. Well, no, I know.
31:33
But like depending on where you purchased the console, depending
31:37
on who imported that because while the tenant was reported,
31:40
they wouldn't have imported all of them.
31:42
Oh, I see. What?
31:42
He's name like Best Buy I. Meant broadly like other
31:45
companies too, just broadly these.
31:46
Tariffs, yeah, but if you have to be refunded, you don't have
31:49
your receipt. Yeah.
31:50
Like things like timber and other things were really got
31:55
really expensive because of it. And I think that money's just
31:59
going to go back to the company. Yeah, not to the people who paid
32:02
for it. You know, I think it it'd be a
32:04
hard thing to work out who would be owed the money directly.
32:07
Companies is the work I. Would love to be, I'd love to be
32:10
proved wrong and proved wrong and they maybe, you know,
32:13
everyone gets their money back, but I doubt it.
32:15
I don't think it's going to happen or if it is, it's going
32:17
to be you need to apply for it. It's not going to be just you're
32:19
not going to get money in your account.
32:21
No, no, you're not just going to magically get a refund on your
32:23
credit card for. No.
32:25
Shit that you bought, yeah. Anyway, Yeah.
32:28
So there's a loss, really. Horrible.
32:32
Yeah, so. So it'd probably be a class
32:36
action. So if you do feel you got
32:37
scammed, join it. Is it a class action?
32:40
It probably. It'd have to be, wouldn't it?
32:44
Man, they do this thing now. They do this in Australia too.
32:46
I don't know if this is an American, Australian thing where
32:48
companies will just like say, oh, we've got new terms and
32:51
conditions and as part of the terms and conditions it's
32:54
arbitration clause, yes, or like.
32:57
You. There was you.
32:57
Like to sue him anymore? Case recently where someone died
33:02
at Disney at Disneyland and they would the family was trying to
33:07
sue and they've got no because she signed up for Disney plus.
33:10
Yes. Oh yeah, yeah, I agree.
33:11
That you need to go through arbitration and it's sort of
33:14
like. But it's not that's that's over
33:16
here too. Does that happen in Australia?
33:18
No, I think that was, I'm not sure.
33:20
I think we've got a bit more consumer protection over.
33:22
Here that's I was like, I bet, I bet they wouldn't let you do
33:24
that in Australia. Yeah, you can't just go.
33:26
Oh, no, we're supposed to change it.
33:28
And now you're. Yeah.
33:30
How dare we protect our citizens?
33:33
I told you there was the people found the the the Department of
33:37
Fair Trading NSW has a website about common scams.
33:44
Oh, not scams, sorry, dark patterns, they call them.
33:47
So you know, when you go to we might have talked about this
33:49
before, but whatever. You know, when you go to a a
33:52
website like an online store and it'll have like spin the wheel
33:57
to win a prize and or like it's got flashes up on the screen.
34:04
So and so in, in Milwaukee just bought five of these things and
34:09
it and it's all things designed to make you feel like a sense of
34:12
urgency to purchase, right? That shit's illegal in
34:14
Australia. Yeah, but the websites aren't in
34:18
Australia. And so the Department of Fair
34:20
Trading has a, a website that explains all this stuff for, for
34:25
innocent Australians who are used to, you know, not having to
34:27
deal with fucking scams, scams and quotes because it's not
34:32
true. Nobody in Milwaukee bought that
34:34
thing. It's a lie.
34:36
It's literally a lie. Milwaukee did not by fight.
34:37
They don't only have two left in stock and right.
34:40
Exactly. What do next 15 minutes or?
34:43
Yes, they can lie. That's just how it is overseas.
34:47
In Australia, you can't do that. And so they have a web.
34:50
Fair Trading has a website that explains, basically explains
34:52
that like they're going to tell you if you go to a website and
34:55
it's selling things, it could be in a foreign country where they
34:58
don't accept that it's not illegal.
34:59
They'll just lie to make you buy things.
35:01
And it's not to say you're not going to get the product or the
35:04
product's going to be wrong or anything.
35:05
It's just the. Right.
35:08
I mean, you might be, but that's not the Yeah, that's not the
35:10
point. The point is that they'd it's
35:12
it's coercing you into buying it, like it's creating a false
35:15
sense of scarcity or or whatever.
35:17
What did you see? It's like such and such brought
35:19
this or all these five star good reviews, but you can never click
35:22
on the reviews to see where they've come from.
35:24
Yeah. Because they're made-up, I
35:27
guess, and that's illegal in Australia.
35:30
So anyway, the fair training has this website and and I guess
35:32
somebody online found it and there was this whole big
35:34
discussion, I think it was on Reddit or Hacker News or
35:36
whatever it was, people going oh, what a you're the, the
35:39
government of Australia babying the people and blah blah.
35:42
And it's like like, no, no, no, this stuff is illegal in
35:45
Australia and it fucking should be illegal.
35:47
Yes, it's lies. Like it's literally like.
35:50
It's like they're like, and they're just trying to protect
35:54
the people here. Think, well, it's fair, you're
35:57
fair game mate. Like, you know, if you went to
36:00
like the car dealership and then like the, you know, the tactics
36:02
they use to sell you a car, right, the start, Like you can't
36:06
do all that shit in Australia. You're not allowed to because
36:09
it's like you just have to be a straightforward, normal fucking
36:12
human being. Like, throw the car on its
36:14
merits. It's not about ripping people
36:16
off to just yeah, that's. The point is that like, if you
36:20
get ripped off, that's your fault.
36:21
That's their attitude. Whereas in Australia it's like,
36:24
no, no, we're going to prevent these people from doing that.
36:27
They think that's like with the government overstepping.
36:31
I just thought that was really interesting and telling about
36:33
cultural differences between countries.
36:36
Because I'm quite happy to try and help him stop me from being
36:40
scared. Yeah, Yes, we shouldn't, I mean.
36:43
Or they shouldn't. Realize to do that.
36:44
It's not. It's not nice.
36:46
Like I know 1 of what I remember being in legal studies in high
36:49
school and one of the things they talked about is you
36:52
couldn't like one of the things that's illegal.
36:53
You can't have an advert advertising something in a store
36:58
that you've got one product off and you know you're going to
37:00
sell out off immediately, right? And then go, oh, but we do have
37:04
these other products. Available.
37:05
Oh, you're not even allowed to. Do that the bait and switch.
37:08
Right, right. You have to have, it's not like
37:11
you can sell out and that's what I do have until sold out, but
37:14
you have to have a reasonable amount of quantity.
37:17
You can't have one and then go. You can't engineer a situation.
37:21
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In any state.
37:26
Yep, brought it on ourselves. Yeah, no, I just, I was like,
37:32
wait, you guys don't think the government should be allowed to,
37:36
to do it. They they're saying you
37:36
shouldn't be allowed to tell these companies what to do.
37:39
It's like, but they're lying to people like trick them into
37:43
buying things or might not trick them.
37:44
That's, I guess it's, it is a little.
37:47
Well, the other thing too is that, yeah, we've talked about
37:49
this before. I know I have.
37:50
But you know, when literally happened to me the other day, I
37:52
was trying to buy cranberry juice.
37:56
Yep. Actual cranberry juice.
37:58
Yeah, just just you just wanted a cranberry juice and put it in
38:01
a bottle. You can say 100% cranberry
38:03
juice. You look on the back, it's 100%
38:06
cranberry juice from concentrate with apple juice.
38:11
Like you could just, you could just say whatever you want on
38:13
the fucking label. You would it'd be taken to the
38:16
Department of Fair Trading if you tried that in Australia like
38:19
that's they can do. What they can literally put
38:21
whatever the fuck they want on the label here.
38:22
I swear to God, you have to read the the only thing that that
38:25
there are laws around. I think the nutritional
38:26
information is going to be accurate.
38:27
So you've just got to check it because the, the, the whatever's
38:30
on the front of that thing is probably a lie.
38:34
Like it's, it's so crazy. Because all sometimes you get
38:37
like apple juice or lemon juice and I can trust the front
38:41
label's telling me. 100%. Apple, it's 100%.
38:43
Yeah, 100% orange juice. Yeah, some orange juice here.
38:46
No, it'll be concentrate or it'll have some weird shit in it
38:50
to like. You know it'll be 100% apple
38:54
like orange juice with pulp. No added preservatives.
38:57
Yeah. The point being, if you've got,
38:59
if it says on the front 100% orange juice, it has to be 100%
39:04
orange. That's not the case here.
39:05
Here, It's it, it anything goes on the front label, apparently.
39:09
Yeah, although, although there's some like weird like it's, it's
39:11
100% cranberry juice from concentrate with apple juice,
39:15
like. OK, Yeah.
39:17
It's your fault. You're you're you're clearly
39:20
implying on the front that it's, yeah anyway, fucking
39:23
infuriating. Yeah, I I could.
39:27
I could not handle that. No, no.
39:30
But it's just overhead like. Yeah, you have to pay extra.
39:33
Attention. I know, so therefore I've got to
39:36
fuck around and check. Other people just don't know.
39:38
They just assume that what they're being told is the truth.
39:41
Yeah, and and or they don't care.
39:43
Exactly. A lot of people just don't care,
39:44
which is fine. But like like I do because I
39:47
don't, I don't want apple juice. I'll buy Apple.
39:49
Juice. You don't like cranberry juice?
39:52
Yeah, and I want it because I want the really like, strong
39:55
flavour because I'm going to mix it with some tonic water.
39:57
Yeah, like, anyway. Oh, that reminds me.
40:02
Something exciting is happening, people I don't.
40:04
Know it's for the after party which we'll get to.
40:07
I have a question from a listener.
40:10
OK, so if you want to find out what that question is, you'll
40:13
need to go to patreon.com/multiple Norgasm and
40:17
give us $5 and then you can listen to the after party.
40:20
But until you do, you're not going to get to hear what this
40:22
question is. Yes, I just remember.
40:24
What my answer will be? We got a question for a listener
40:26
that I need to put in there follow up.
40:30
Follow up. Avatar the Last Airbender, we
40:35
talked about how that film got emailed to somebody.
40:39
Yeah, and he leaked it and, well, he tried to.
40:43
Did he try to get? He wasn't, he wasn't trying to
40:46
get money. He was trying to get them to
40:48
talk about it or he was going to release it.
40:50
Like made no sense. Yeah, exactly.
40:52
It was ridiculous. He's been arrested and he's in
40:56
Singapore, so this is bad for him.
40:59
Oh, he could be in prison for a long time.
41:03
As a result of this 26 year old man who allegedly leaked the
41:07
unreleased animated film The Legend of ANG, The Last
41:09
Airbender has been arrested and faces a charge that could lead
41:13
to serious jail time in Singapore.
41:15
Which is, Yeah. Singapore's one of those
41:18
countries where you just do not want to break the law.
41:21
Baffled by why you would do this.
41:23
I went to, when I was over there, I went to the like
41:26
Centennial Garden and even the taxi driver on the way there was
41:29
like don't pick up a leaf and try and take it out with you.
41:33
Even if it's a leaf that's on the ground and they catch you,
41:35
that's $100,000 fight. Fucking hell.
41:41
Like and that's and that's only yeah.
41:44
So that's not taking it off a tree or anything.
41:46
That's even if it's just on the ground walking out.
41:48
So just you don't fuck around over there.
41:51
Well, this OK, this charge, he's been charged with unauthorized
41:57
access to computer material. OK.
42:00
Like, OK, that sounds bad. Maximum jail time of seven
42:04
years, a fine not exceeding $50,000, or both.
42:09
OK. So he could get 7 years in
42:11
prison and 50 grand if he gets like the slapped with the worst
42:15
of it. Which it's very rare that you
42:17
get the maximum but right still. And he claimed Nickelodeon
42:22
actually emailed it to him, which again, we've we've done
42:26
this. That's not.
42:27
That's not how. That works.
42:29
Yeah, it doesn't happen. We're not just emailing it to a
42:31
random e-mail address. E-mail file.
42:33
If they e-mail the link to get it from somewhere you then I
42:37
think that's why it's unauthorized access, because you
42:39
know you're not supposed to have access to that, yes.
42:43
But also it just seems weird that someone would have emailed
42:46
this random person a link and that, but I don't say he would.
42:49
There's more to it than that. There's kind of, I don't know.
42:52
And yeah, but anyway, point being he got arrested.
42:57
Don't ruin movies for people. Well, not only Yeah, it's not
43:01
ruining movies for for people. It's more than that.
43:04
It's like theatre release now because it's basically the
43:08
movies. Just it's kind of, I don't know,
43:10
it's just not. It's already out there, so
43:12
they're not doing the theatre release anymore.
43:13
Because. Yeah, because.
43:14
Everyone's going to watch it. The people who are who would
43:18
have gone are already, I'm, I'm not an Airbender fan, but I'm
43:22
saying that the people who were going to go to theatre, they've
43:24
already seen it now. Yeah, and then and then, like, I
43:27
don't know, you'd say, oh, you know, like crummy reverse, it's
43:30
the movie. But no, no, no.
43:31
People worked really hard on this and they had a release plan
43:33
and everything like that. And then now this person has
43:35
just like shoved it on the Internet in a kind of shitty
43:38
way. And then people are going to
43:39
watch it and now they won't go see it.
43:41
And it's just kind. Of what their contracts are,
43:44
their contracts may have been tied into like you do this work
43:46
and you get a bonus at the end tied into how the movie performs
43:49
and. Now.
43:50
Yeah, exactly. I think we did the work.
43:52
Yeah, yeah, it happens with games a lot.
43:55
Yeah. So yeah, I don't know, could
43:58
this could have done some damage for people's careers?
44:01
Like it's not it's. It's not just AI know, it's
44:04
just. A movie, but but you know, it's
44:06
it's it messes with people when you just shit like.
44:08
People would have worked on this for years.
44:11
Yeah. Anyway, we'll listen next week
44:15
for our review of Angry Last Evan.
44:19
I'm going to tell you now I don't like it.
44:21
Really. I'm not even a fan.
44:23
I've never. There's only one thing I like
44:27
about the Airbender. What?
44:32
We released, they released the Airbender game on the Xbox 360,
44:36
Yeah. Or the original 1.
44:39
I think it was the original 1 but all you did was you had to
44:42
spam the X button for like 5 seconds at the start of the game
44:45
and unlocked all the achievements and then you could
44:47
return the game. What?
44:49
Fuck off. That's when they started looking
44:51
at bringing in rules for achievements that you actually
44:53
have to. It unlocked all the
44:56
achievements. All the achievements, all you
44:58
had to do was get like A50 combo or something.
45:01
That's ridiculous. Did you play as a girl or a guy?
45:05
I think look back then you could only just play, play as him.
45:08
Oh, OK. Well, it'd be two different.
45:09
There's two eras of Avatar the Last Airbender.
45:12
There's two sets of shows. I was just showing.
45:14
I know I I played the Legend of Korra game.
45:17
I didn't know there was an an Ang.
45:21
Oh yeah, so it's overtired The Last Airbender, the burning
45:24
Earth. OK.
45:26
Yep. So yeah, to get Unlock all the
45:30
gamers score you need to achieve a hit counter of 50 and it's
45:35
been 1020304050. And that's it.
45:38
So I got the first achievement on the 3rd of August 2008 at
45:43
1421. Yeah.
45:45
And I got the last achievement on the 3rd of August 2008 at
45:49
1554, so it did take me half an hour.
45:52
And did you return the game? I I no this is back in the times
45:56
where you used you were able to hire games from video stalls.
45:59
Oh, right. OK.
46:02
So I didn't buy. Clearly they got their money
46:04
from that. Anyway, I hired SO.
46:07
Rental copies work differently, yes.
46:09
Well, I don't know if they actually did, although I know a
46:13
few video stores that just go and buy a copy.
46:15
Oh, maybe. They were supposed to.
46:17
They were supposed to. My rental copy, I remember I
46:20
back in the day, I was trying to figure out how this this is a
46:22
long time ago trying to figure out I want to figure out just
46:28
rental movies versus downloading movies and there was a
46:31
conversation online about it anyway and I I acted Edgar
46:37
Wright. On.
46:38
Twitter to ask a question about people buy.
46:42
I think there's something something about people.
46:45
If the rental company buys a copy of Shaun of the Dead, do
46:48
they pay more for it? And he replied to me and said
46:50
yes, yes, so yeah. Yeah, I, I, I knew that as well
46:54
because they were getting a different copy of the video that
46:58
you'd buy, and they actually hadn't paid much for it as well.
47:01
Yeah, and back in the. Day it was.
47:03
Also it wasn't cheap like each copy would cost them like $100.
47:07
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's actually quite a
47:09
substantial bit more for them to get Avhs.
47:14
But you think games maybe not. I think games, a lot of times
47:18
they were just going and buying a copy of the game and slapping
47:21
a sticker on it because there's no trailers, there's no nothing.
47:25
It's just a oh, you're right, it's a different.
47:27
Yeah, you're right. It's a completely different
47:28
print of the movie. Yeah.
47:30
Yeah, yeah. That's a good point, didn't.
47:32
They yeah, when you buy a, when you went out and brought like an
47:35
actual copy, you didn't have any of the trailers or anything.
47:37
Like that? Well, they started to do that.
47:40
But then fucking annoying. Then we went to DVD and now, now
47:43
we don't even have DVDs anymore. No.
47:48
So now we don't get behind the scenes footage anymore.
47:51
That's true. I found I've got a lot of DVDs
47:54
in the basement and I was looking for ones in particular.
47:56
I was looking for the Penny Arcade, the series DVDs in fact,
48:01
and that was one thing. I was looking through them and I
48:05
was like, Oh yeah, I've got this on DVD.
48:06
And then on the back I was like, oh, it's got a bunch of extra
48:08
stuff on it. Like yeah, you don't you in on
48:11
iTunes. Sometimes you do get that stuff,
48:14
but yeah, like, but I think not all of it.
48:16
And then? It's very rare that you get it.
48:18
DVDs had a lot of extra stuff on them.
48:20
Yeah, and you go through and sometimes you'd be watching how
48:23
they made the film. You'd be watching.
48:25
Sometimes more content than in the movie, like longer amount of
48:29
stuff like. But now you don't get that, or
48:32
very rarely do you get that. And even though I've purchased
48:35
some stuff that does have extras, I've never worked out
48:37
how to play it. Right, yeah, iTunes has a thing
48:40
called iTunes Extras. And.
48:43
Which is how you do it on there. So I've seen, I've seen that
48:46
before. But like things like, you know,
48:48
the directors commentaries and all that kind of stuff.
48:50
And like, sometimes they include them as audio tracks, but like
48:53
DVDs, it always had that, but almost always.
48:58
Whereas now that was just not. Yeah, that was the normal.
49:00
Now it's the. It.
49:03
Lost a lot when we went to digital.
49:06
Yeah. That's why a lot of people are
49:08
going back to physical hardware, especially now, because.
49:11
You don't actually taking things away from you too.
49:13
Yes, the one thing I still want to find out is when they take
49:17
stuff away, if they ever do get the license to come back,
49:20
doesn't that automatically go back into your library or not?
49:23
Fucking won't. I mean, you pay for it again,
49:27
Apple News. Apple, yes.
49:30
I don't know. Well, you may not have much to
49:31
say about this. I've a couple of things to say
49:33
about this. What have Apple done?
49:37
Tim Cook is gone. He is stepping down as CEO of
49:42
Apple. He has been CEO of Apple ever
49:46
since Steve Jobs made him CEO right before he died.
49:50
He's been CEO of Apple for a very, very long time and he's
49:53
been very successful financially.
49:56
He made some questionable decisions for the company in
50:00
general. They've got a big reliance on
50:01
China now for manufacturing in a way that they didn't, which is
50:06
kind of a problem and they're trying to get out of that.
50:10
But he he's arguably done a lot the company's fucking killing it
50:15
financially, but they've also there's, there's some been some
50:18
issues related to that. I think less of a focus on
50:22
making good shit than. Yeah, they've gone a bit weird
50:25
again recently. Yeah, well, so he's stepping
50:29
down and John Turnus will be taking over.
50:31
He was the senior vice president of hardware engineering, which
50:35
is arguably the area Apple does best these days.
50:40
The hardware is sick at the moment currently, like, they
50:46
make good stuff. The Apple Silicon is, like,
50:48
incredible. I think the laptops are the best
50:51
they've ever been. They killed off the Mac Pro
50:55
recently, which is a shame, but it just, it's not doesn't fit
50:59
with their current, you know, what they're doing currently.
51:02
So maybe he'll do a good job, but hopefully he'll do things a
51:07
little differently. Yes.
51:09
That's all we're. Hoping Tim Cook, he's going to
51:12
get to retire with all his money and go and enjoy it.
51:14
No, he's still going to stay on as this is the thing too.
51:17
The other thing Tim Cook's been doing that people didn't like
51:20
was is sucking up to the current administration, like giving
51:27
giving Trump that gold statue and stuff.
51:30
And people are like, why are you doing that?
51:32
And it's like, well, he's playing the game.
51:34
Like he's doing what's best for the company.
51:36
Like, I mean, it's hard to argue that that's true.
51:39
Like they got exemptions from tariffs because he gave Trump a
51:42
statue. Like it's gross, but it worked
51:47
like so. And people are like, well,
51:49
hopefully John Turners won't do that stuff.
51:51
Well, Tim Cook's staying on as what is the role going to be?
51:58
He'll be executive chairman and people are saying that he'll
52:01
still probably handle that stuff.
52:04
That stuff the dealing with. Because it seems like he's like,
52:07
good at it in the end. He's already in the club.
52:12
Yes, and I heard someone say it also protects John Turnus from
52:17
doing that stuff. So then, you know, this
52:22
administration will end at some point, hopefully there are
52:26
rumours that they don't want to, but you know, in theory this
52:30
administration will end and then John Turnus can can then not
52:35
have participated in stuff, you know what I'm saying?
52:38
Yeah, he still keeps his hands clean.
52:41
Yes, exactly. So I heard a theory that Tim
52:43
Cook's going to stay on and do that stuff for that reason.
52:50
So I reckon why'd she get to certain age?
52:52
She'd made enough money, she'd just retire and let other
52:54
people. Do he has so much fucking money
52:56
I'm guaranteed yeah, but. Like he's got enough money that
53:01
he, well, if your daughter had that type of money, she'd never
53:06
have to work in a day in her life and neither would her
53:08
children. And neither would I, I I would
53:10
hope. Be nice to her.
53:13
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I mean not known for as
53:19
many products, revolutionary products as Steve Jobs, he.
53:24
Just sort of kept everything just going along and.
53:28
But definitely took the company financially to a whole new level
53:33
which. He had a brought stock in Apple
53:35
just before. Like the iPhone or the iPod?
53:39
Yeah, I didn't understand stocks and stuff.
53:41
Back No, I still don't understand stocks.
53:43
Can you imagine? I mean, I guess are we supposed
53:45
to disclose that I've got, I own Apple stock disclosure, I own
53:49
Apple stock, I do, but I didn't back then.
53:53
I I still don't understand stocks but but imagine you had
53:56
got them when they were worth nothing.
54:00
Yeah, Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
54:02
I, I often think I should have bought more Bitcoin back in the
54:05
day, but yeah. How would you know how well you
54:07
don't? Some people knew.
54:08
But did they? Did they know or did they?
54:09
Get well, I still. It's gambling I.
54:11
Still don't. It's it is.
54:13
It's especially Bitcoin. Bitcoin.
54:15
But the thing about Bitcoin is that the thing that bugs me
54:18
about not having bought Bitcoin is that I could have.
54:19
You didn't even have to buy that much of it back when when I
54:24
literally there's I've got a Bitcoin wallet somewhere that
54:27
I've lost that had some money in it.
54:29
I wonder what the fuck that's worth now because it jumped up
54:32
so much like. Well, I know someone I think was
54:37
playing around Bitcoin and just back in the day when he was kind
54:39
of like, if it dropped below $300, he'd buy a few and he was
54:43
selling it like live. And so, like, I think he stole
54:46
them all when he went to get a deposit for a house.
54:49
But it's all like, yeah, not sure we had to hold on.
54:51
But when do you know when to sell?
54:52
I, I have, I've made, I mean, I probably made $1000 off the
55:00
Bitcoin that I bought and it, but it could have been so much
55:02
more. But how do I just?
55:04
Put an extra 100 bucks in there. Like you know, 100 bucks and
55:07
then just left it. Because this, I, I did it back
55:10
when it was worth literally just fuck all.
55:12
Like there's nothing. And then, yeah.
55:16
But yeah, but when do you know when to sell?
55:18
And also you can never, you can never buy anything with or I
55:23
would never accept Bitcoin for a service.
55:26
No, because or or selling anything because you could sell.
55:30
I've seen some people go, we accept Bitcoin for a house.
55:34
I'm so like, you could get the money for the house and then the
55:37
next day that bitcoins dropped $20,000 because someone, Elon
55:40
Musk, said something and he lost all that money.
55:43
That's what's weird about it is it's not supposed to be that
55:45
volatile. It was supposed to be a currency
55:47
and then like it's become an investment thing.
55:50
It's just odd that it happened this way.
55:52
Like it's yeah, exactly. It's no, it's no use for as a
55:55
currency at the. Moment.
55:56
No, but that was the idea behind it was to replace money.
56:01
Because you're absolutely right, you could.
56:03
The value of it could have tomorrow.
56:06
Just because someone on the Internet said something?
56:09
Who had? Because Elon Musk says something
56:11
and then. Yeah.
56:13
Yeah, it's fascinating. I'm too scared to touch it,
56:17
especially now It's worth. You couldn't even afford to buy
56:20
an entire coin. No, no, it's I think right now
56:24
it's 70 something. Which is actually.
56:27
Down. It was over 100 grand.
56:28
Oh. My God.
56:29
Last year. Yeah, you, you can't use it as
56:32
anything. You just got to put money in,
56:34
take money out when you want to use it.
56:36
It's being treated as like a investment, but it's weird
56:39
because there's no. Investing in anything.
56:42
There's exactly, there's technically no reason it needs
56:45
to keep going up. It is going up.
56:47
And then down. People are willing to pay more
56:49
for it. Yeah, it's just, it's weird.
56:51
There's nothing backing it, there's nothing behind it.
56:53
It's just numbers. It's yeah.
56:55
I guess people argue that's the same as anything else, but.
56:58
But I think if you like at least with stocks or something,
57:01
there's a business behind it that.
57:03
Right. You're putting money into.
57:05
Yeah, the business does something.
57:07
Produces something. They're doing something.
57:10
Yeah, Bitcoin. Doesn't there is?
57:12
Yeah, Bitcoin's just there. Yeah.
57:15
Let's get off this. It's suppressing that we never
57:17
brought Bitcoin or Apple stocks back then.
57:19
Movie stuff, yes. Oh, hang on.
57:21
TV stuff first. This one's interesting.
57:23
This is follow up to Technically.
57:25
Gina Carano says she's talked to Favreau and Filoni about coming
57:31
back, baby. OK, now is this an actual talk
57:35
or is this like Ryan Johnson talking?
57:37
She says, so. This is coming from her, so
57:40
grain of salt because, well, I think it's interesting.
57:43
It might be true, She says, I've already had conversation with
57:46
Feloni and Favreau. Really lovely.
57:48
You know, after we settled the lawsuit, we got onto a Zoom
57:51
call. It was really nice.
57:53
Dave was taking over as CEO of Star Wars.
57:55
We didn't miss a beat. Jon Favreau was really funny.
57:58
He was like, so where did we leave off?
58:01
That just sounds so awkward to me.
58:03
But then again I was like OK, but did with Feloni and Favreau
58:07
not involved in firing her, that might be true.
58:10
That that probably is true because I think it would have
58:12
come from more higher up, yeah, higher up to go, hey, we don't
58:16
want to be associated with this. Yeah, because I was reading this
58:18
and I was just like, man, that sounds so awkward.
58:21
But I guess yeah, maybe. Maybe.
58:23
The shows they had designed for her have all been cancelled.
58:26
Right. But part of her lawsuit was that
58:29
she wanted them to have to hire her back.
58:32
Like it was here we go fired last year.
58:35
The lawsuit alleged she was fired for voicing right wing
58:38
opinions on social media, which I think is true.
58:41
Well, well, actually not even right wing.
58:43
It was it was it was stuff about it was Holocaust stuff.
58:47
It was weird. Yeah.
58:48
It was weird. Not stuff that Dizzy wants to be
58:50
known for, right? And she sought a court order
58:54
that Wood Forest Lucasfilm to recast her, which is I just
59:01
think that's really interesting. I don't think he could actually
59:03
win that loss like you can't. She did win, but I guess she.
59:06
Didn't. Well, no, they settled.
59:07
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
59:08
Yes, you're right. They settled.
59:09
We don't know what they actually did agree on, but I don't think,
59:13
look, I don't think Cora would go no, you have to go back and
59:16
make his television show worth millions so you could hire her
59:19
back. Yeah, yeah.
59:22
So anyway, they apparently are in talks to bring her back,
59:27
which I think is I don't. Know, I don't, I don't know, I
59:31
think. I.
59:33
Don't people? I don't know if she's reading a
59:34
lot into this or the article is, but this just doesn't seem like
59:38
a. Whether it's true, I, I recall
59:42
actually, I don't remember the specifics of what she said, but
59:45
it was, it was not good what she said very.
59:50
Very controversial. Very.
59:51
Controversial and in my very wrong in my mind, what she was
59:55
saying and I think broadly that's what people think is that
1:00:00
she was saying a bunch of I guess offensive is maybe the
1:00:06
word. So I don't I don't see why
1:00:09
Disney would bring her back because because that's like
1:00:13
people don't want her back. The audience don't want her
1:00:16
back. I would I I think.
1:00:17
That's my sense of it. Well, The thing is I don't know
1:00:21
what what what are they working? On at the moment.
1:00:23
So to get it the, I think the Mandalorian Grogu story, which
1:00:27
is still the worst name for a movie ever.
1:00:30
Yeah, yeah, that's, I think going to finish up The
1:00:33
Mandalorian. I have a feeling that people
1:00:35
have sort of moved on from that. Yeah.
1:00:38
I have one of the shows that I have on the fly at the moment.
1:00:41
Yeah, I, I don't know. That's a good point.
1:00:43
Yeah, exactly what we should even be in like her character.
1:00:47
Wouldn't, because there's nothing.
1:00:48
For her character to show up. In they were going to have her
1:00:50
sort of be a mercenary and all going to have like the X Wing
1:00:54
pilots. I think there was going to be a
1:00:55
spin off with them and that was cancelled.
1:00:58
Because I think in Favre, say recently there was going to be
1:01:02
another season of The Mandalorian that would tie into
1:01:05
Ahsoka and I was like, fucking stop tying everything together.
1:01:09
But but so I guess if they had done that.
1:01:15
Maybe she could have made an appearance in that, but yeah,
1:01:19
what? She wasn't even in that many
1:01:21
episodes of The Mandalorian, was she?
1:01:22
She was only in like 3 or 4. Oh I think she was in more than
1:01:26
that anyway. And also it's not that she was
1:01:28
bad in the show or anything like.
1:01:29
That no I got. No issues with her performance
1:01:31
or with her character like her character.
1:01:33
It's mine. Occur.
1:01:35
It's just that, that, that she yeah, like I said, yeah, she got
1:01:39
this. She was tweeting this stuff.
1:01:41
And then now I think people think, Oh yeah, she's a bit of a
1:01:43
bit of an idiot. They don't want her in stuff, so
1:01:46
why would they want her in? Stuff.
1:01:48
I'm still looking at this this article.
1:01:50
I don't believe that she'll be back.
1:01:54
I think they might have had a conversation and said, Oh yeah,
1:01:58
you know, maybe, you know, if the opportunity comes up because
1:02:00
they know that the opportunity is not going to come up because
1:02:03
they're not doing these shows anymore.
1:02:05
I don't. Know.
1:02:05
Yeah, that's what I'm also thinking.
1:02:08
I don't know. Yeah.
1:02:10
And it's tough, right? Because I just find it hard to
1:02:17
reconcile the dumb shit she was saying with the fact that people
1:02:21
go, oh, she's quite nice. It's like, yeah, but she why
1:02:25
would she say that stuff? Don't you?
1:02:26
Say that then if she was. Anyway, whatever.
1:02:32
Yeah, we'll wait and see. I I don't think she'll be back.
1:02:36
That's my prediction. Yeah, I don't either.
1:02:41
Something that we'll be back is Avengers End Game.
1:02:43
We'll be back in theaters I believe re release of Avengers
1:02:48
End Game with extra stuff to tie it into the new movie.
1:02:53
The Doom movie Avengers Doomsday.
1:02:57
OK. They're adding in.
1:03:01
The way they're phrasing it is that, Oh yeah, we've got this
1:03:04
extra stuff that we had that that we didn't put in before,
1:03:08
but it's actually, it leads right into it because making it
1:03:11
sound like it was planned. Planned.
1:03:13
Not that we had to scramble to replace.
1:03:15
Yeah, because, you know, the plan was to have Jonathan Majors
1:03:18
like gang, and then he got arrested for beating up his
1:03:22
girlfriend. That's what happened.
1:03:23
Yes. And then you had to fucking
1:03:25
figure something else out. And the only thing you could
1:03:28
come up with with bringing Robert Downey Junior back.
1:03:30
Exactly because you everyone was in a panic.
1:03:33
That's what at least that's what I I'm pretty sure that's what
1:03:35
happened yes, but now they've they've said that it's going to
1:03:40
have extra footage then to re release, which will tide in
1:03:42
which is I mean it's fine, it's fine I.
1:03:45
Wonder how much extra footage there's going to be though.
1:03:48
I don't. It's fine to do that.
1:03:49
I just don't think whether they're saying this or other
1:03:54
people are saying this that like it's, it's stuff that they
1:03:56
already had. Come on.
1:03:57
No, I don't think so. No, there's no one.
1:04:00
Unless. Unless they just found stuff
1:04:03
they hadn't used anyway. Yeah, I don't.
1:04:04
Yeah, and they just went, oh, we can maybe claim that this was.
1:04:08
Right. That.
1:04:10
Yeah, it's just. Funny, but there's no way not
1:04:13
planned, no way not a chance. No, but September 25th End Game
1:04:18
will be back in theaters with some extra footage apparently.
1:04:21
I think I'll just wait for the extra footage.
1:04:24
Yeah. Oh, I'll just won't worry about
1:04:27
it. I've seen end game.
1:04:30
It was very good at the time. Yeah.
1:04:31
I feel like I'm not going to just watch end game, I'm going
1:04:33
to want to watch at least Infinity War again if I watch
1:04:37
end game and then I don't. Know, yeah, Where do you get a
1:04:40
long movie start from? I'm old and I've got a kid,
1:04:45
Right? Exactly.
1:04:46
Don't go back to fucking Iron Man.
1:04:48
Yeah. And go from there.
1:04:49
Don't have time for that. So we'll wait and see the what's
1:04:56
the So what's the next movie that's out in the Marvel
1:04:58
Universe, actually? I think it's doomsday, isn't?
1:05:01
It is it. Is it the next one?
1:05:03
What is the next Marvel movie? Oh, Spider Man brand new day is.
1:05:09
First. Oh yes, that's soon though.
1:05:11
Yeah, yeah, I'm not. The trailer for that didn't grab
1:05:16
me either, even though it's got Spider Man characters so that I
1:05:18
like like scorpions in it I think.
1:05:21
This one. Scorpion I.
1:05:22
Think I remember the trailer popped up and it sort of shocked
1:05:24
me that that was so close because I hadn't really heard
1:05:27
anything about it. Yeah, because that plot got a
1:05:32
bit weird, right where he had to wipe his own existence out.
1:05:34
Yeah, I know. It's kind of it's it's weird.
1:05:37
Like it went in a weird direction.
1:05:38
I don't know why they did that. Because they wanted to get Tobey
1:05:45
Maguire and Andrew Garfield in. Yes.
1:05:49
So they. Yeah, I don't know, maybe it's a
1:05:55
good movie. I just, it's just it hasn't
1:05:57
grabbed me yet, I guess. Yep, the first one was very
1:06:00
good. No, I I think he's a great
1:06:03
spider man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:06:05
And like it's there. Maybe Michael Keaton's in it.
1:06:08
Actually, if it's because it's Scorpion, I think is in the
1:06:10
prison with him at the end of the first one.
1:06:12
Maybe Mark Keaton's in as well. Yeah, maybe it'll be.
1:06:14
It'll be great. I don't know.
1:06:15
I don't. Know Michael Keaton I I loved
1:06:17
his character yeah like he actually he actually felt for
1:06:20
him that's. What I mean, I, I watched this
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trailer for for the new one and I was like, that didn't grab me.
1:06:25
But then like, I don't think the trailer for the first one
1:06:28
grabbed me that much either, because it's not like after all
1:06:31
the really high stakes Avengers stuff, it seems smaller.
1:06:36
And this, this seems smaller. You know what I mean?
1:06:39
Which maybe that's actually a good thing.
1:06:40
It's just, yeah. And I'm just saying that the
1:06:43
slate they've got coming up is they've got an X-Men Movie,
1:06:46
Black Panther, three Avengers versus X-Men Ghost Rider, which
1:06:51
the rumor is Ryan Gosling. There's a there's a rumor Ryan
1:06:56
Gosling is Ghost Rider, which. All right.
1:07:00
He really isn't everything again, isn't he?
1:07:01
I'm. I'm a I'm a Brian Gossing fan.
1:07:05
He's fine, Fine by me. Put him.
1:07:06
In he was great in Barbie. He's great in Barbie, he was
1:07:09
great in Project Hell Mary, he's great in everything.
1:07:12
Yeah, he's, but he's really just come back from nowhere.
1:07:14
He sort of was a big star, I think went away for a little bit
1:07:17
and now he's back. He's like, he's just like doing
1:07:21
his own thing. I feel like either either he is
1:07:24
or that's the, that's the vibe I get from him, which maybe that's
1:07:27
like intentional, but it just feels like he's just, he's just
1:07:31
doing his own thing. He's just a cool guy doing what
1:07:34
he wants to do. If you could have a bee, I'd
1:07:36
have a beer with him. Oh yeah.
1:07:37
But on his diet he cannot have. Maybe it would lead to something
1:07:40
more, who knows. We can only hope.
1:07:43
But you know where I'm going to lead you to something more.
1:07:47
That would be the after party I'm guessing.
1:07:50
I'm nodding for the listeners. I'm nodding.
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Hundreds. And we're going to keep talking.
1:08:27
I've got a couple things in here and we've got a listener
1:08:31
question. Listener question.
1:08:32
I gave you the week contender. Yes, just the one.
1:08:36
Just the one. No one else died this week.
1:08:38
Apparently not. Not that I'd noticed.
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