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Talks to the munificent Si Hart about his choice of The Macra Terror (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  No, it's Simon Joe. Where will this go?
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  It's time to sing in a hamster. Come and tree.
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  Wow, this is gay. It's always pretty gay with you,
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  man. Well, yeah, that's very true.
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  I think that might have given away, which story we might be
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  talking about. I love the jingles in the macros
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  are owed. No.
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  Well, thank you do, fuck your to science Joe.
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  Who I remember back back in the early days where I was doing
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  hand, so they were you there was no way you were ever going to
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  get me to sing. And now look well, after I feel
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  as if our relationship has moved on in Leaps and Bounds since
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  then, did you not hear my recent tribute to our friendship in the
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  two doctors as finally? But it is one year old who knew
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  who knew it was going to take that long to get there.
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  So, this is your intro. This is so, yes.
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  So today we are following the two doctors going back into the
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  proper transfer mirror for the first time.
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  So we've been all over the shop and I think there's only one
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  doctor we haven't done anything or no to doctors.
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  We haven't done anything about now between us with Fraser as
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  well. That's myth.
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  Oh no victory of the Daleks will start.
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  Are We Done Yet? What's the team?
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  We've got Christopher Eccleston. Of course, boomtowns coming up.
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  Yeah, and Paul McGann but there's very limited choices for
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  home. Again, we've asked a big finish.
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  Yeah, you said this is diving into the trout, on era.
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  I actually think This is where the trout in, there are really
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  kicks in this story. All certainly trans doctor.
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  Yeah, this is feels like his doctors arrived, doesn't it?
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  And I think there's you could also say that pretty much the
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  same about the moon base, which is directly before this.
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  I think he's sort of got the hang of what he's doing and
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  there's more the doctor that we get to know, sort of later on
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  sort of in these two stories he really sort of emerges.
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  Did you ever hear the story about?
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  About Morris, Barry. Basically, he was clowning
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  around trout and doing what he was doing in his first three
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  stories. And Maurice barrier was like no
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  no no and I we're not having any of that I want you to take this.
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  Seriously, this is a serious story.
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  Like I think Morris Barry, was the first person to sort of like
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  toum into line and then that's kind of what he goes with.
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  Isn't it from this point? Yeah, from there on in his
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  doctor is pretty well formed so but he's always slightly Elusive
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  and slightly difficult to pin down and if you Try and describe
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  Patrick troughton's doctor. It's a difficult thing because
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  you've got the cosmic hobo thing but that doesn't really like
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  that that sort of describes his early days and when he comes
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  back into the show in the three doctors and the five doctors and
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  the two doctors he's he's like like that.
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  But the rest of the time he's is kind of Shifty and difficult and
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  hard to pin down. You know, sometimes thing with
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  those later was 35 and to It's like, it's how people remember
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  him being robbed, how he actually was during this time.
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  So he's like a bit impish, isn't it?
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  And he's, he's a bit cheeky, but I don't think there's any of
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  that darkness that was there. And I know what she's era
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  through he had be a bit of a shit sometimes, you know?
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  Yeah. The right there are hints of it
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  at the end of pair of the Daleks and all the way through evil of
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  the Daleks. He's really you not quite sure
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  what side he's on. The site man.
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  He's the one that's responsible for getting them down into those
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  tombs. So he's technically responsible
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  for those deaths in that and and Weber Field would have succeeded
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  if he'd actually just told someone what he was planning to
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  do so. But he keeps things to himself
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  and house has Secrets. Have you ever?
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  Yeah. He has secrets.
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  That sounds like Tom Baker talk. Yeah it does.
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  Doesn't it? Scientists believe this man has
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  Secrets. A benevolent alien with Secrets.
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  Hmm. But Also like his go-to response
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  to crisis is kill the monsters, isn't it?
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  Well, what's yes. Yeah, I think we'll be talking
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  about this in the next story we do with freezer.
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  Yeah, well because there's a lot of gun down there.
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  The monsters in that 12, people sea trout and it is very and he
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  is incredibly like Charming, funny all of those things but I
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  like that boy, you know? And I think See this, when Matt
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  Smith looks back and he cites trout and doesn't he is and you
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  can kind of see it in the physicality of his before.
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  Yes. And his face and all of that.
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  But Matt Smith's doctor has like an element of Darkness about him
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  as well. Yeah.
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  And again not always able to pin him down and he Has again Travis
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  and also has moments of anger that you don't expect from his
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  doctor as well. We've sort of come out of
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  nowhere, almost. Yeah.
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  Wow. And today we are not.
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  I've recently done a reconstruction of the Daleks
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  master plan. We're not doing the
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  Reconstruction today because we have, what some would say, is a
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  superior version of the macro Terrace watch.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  Well then again, this is a contentious one.
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  Is that everyone? A different opinion.
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  And everyone has a different opinion of whether they're how
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  they should be. And I think typically the macra
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  terror one was was quite controversial because it did
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  take out some seems just for the ease of making it animated and
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  things like that. So, it did make some changes but
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  also as well, there's a scale to this that in no way was in The
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  original production then when they go out on location, it
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  feels like a vassal Star Wars, ask environment and I don't
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  think you ever saw the exterior of the colony know they show it
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  but you know I'm going to I'm going to be controversial now
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  and I'm going to say if you've got a way of making this
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  material more accessible to the audience today by making it more
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  visually interesting than, perhaps it was originally with
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  the soundtrack included. Why?
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  Wouldn't you do that? What?
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  Exactly. I'm this is why I think I always
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  watch it in 16:9 in color because that's how they're
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  animating it. And what's the point of slavish
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  Leary making it, I can understand it for the other
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  animations that they did sort of earlier on where their
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  interspersing episodes within a story sort of with existing
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  episodes. But here, they're starting
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  mostly from a blank canvas, so haven't got very much.
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  Moving footage from this story at all.
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  So why try and recreate 1967 when you can do it as 2017 or
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  whatever for 2017 2018, something like that, you know,
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  make it big and bright and make it how they'd love to have made
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  it in NASA itself. And if they could, this is what
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  they would have made if they have the budget to do it.
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  Yes. And so to have a bat kind of
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  imagined for us, I think that's wonderful.
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  Yeah, and it Some takeaway from the original, the original.
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  You could watch the Telly snaps if you like if you're a
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  masochist I'm not a big fan of tele snap reconstructions as the
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  main story is still the yeah. On this is the same say.
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  Yeah. It's not like they re-recorded
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  the story with new actors and made it into something.
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  It isn't. It's a very interesting way of
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  animating something because you've got an existing
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  soundtrack that you're working to and so it's a very different
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  way of doing it when you're making An animated movie it's
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  you've got more scope to do what you want because you can
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  transform the, you can get b re-recorded.
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  If it doesn't work with the animation, you can sort of do
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  all of that, but here your slave usually working to something.
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  That was recorded in a hurry in 1967 and trying to make the best
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  out of it. And yet in the same breath, it
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  has given them scope to be more ambitious to make you out.
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  I mean, yeah, I mean Mac for I could not have done what they do
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  with this animated. You look amazing in this.
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  I was watching this out earlier. I went to one picks up pollen,
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  all right. And now we know that weren't
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  happening says there's those are started because there is the
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  footage of Anika Wills throwing herself into the Falls of a
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  macra and desperately wrestling with with a prop.
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  That's not not really movable but you know it makes the gulf
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  between this and gridlock which we've also recording the
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  community far smaller you know. Like because I think when we saw
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  gridlock was like oh wow that's how the macro could have been
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  yes and now we get to see them. Macro how they could have been
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  in the in their original story. Yeah.
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  So one more quick question before we head in this is our
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  longest Preamble. Yeah.
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  I think you'll get this bad as me and track.
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  You know, Mom will be braised. Is do you think some of the
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  animations like do you think they're variable and quality?
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  Because I do I think some of them are extreme.
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  I think this and evil of the Daleks of very strong and others
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  The ice Warriors in the reign of terror.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I think you're absolutely
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  right. I am.
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  This is my favorite of all the animations.
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  I just really love this one. Evil is very, very close second.
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  Is that this one sort of took me by surprise at what they could
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  do suddenly with an animation. So think this is the third of
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  the complete story once they were no kids.
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  Well pair of the Daleks wasn't it, don't Sharda.
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  Yeah. And then this so the Upgrade
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  between from the original Power of the Daleks to this.
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  Feels like it's huge. Like they've just decided to
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  just relax and just do what they want to do.
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  I think this feels like the most accomplished.
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  Yes. And of all of them.
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  Actually. And interestingly, when Fury
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  from the deep came out after this and Galaxy for it, felt
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  like a bit of a step back. Yes.
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  Yeah. It's weird, isn't it?
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  I Galaxy for and Fury from the deep sort of, I think suffer
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  from what they, from making things epic by putting in big
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  spaces and putting your characters into bigger spaces
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  than they might have been on TV and that doesn't necessarily
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  work for either of them. So suddenly in Galaxy for the
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  real ship is huge. Yeah, and that's fine and in
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  galaxies in Fury from Keep something.
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  You've got this. The refinery control room is
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  really big and massive arms. And you say this though, they've
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  also got massive arms, which doesn't help The Travelers are
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  mr. Tickle, in our foes saying, yes,
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  it's very, very strange. If they are.
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  They've got the really wonderful bit in Fury where they've got
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  the helicopter chase with the seaweed tentacles coming out of
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  the sea which again is not what was intended on TV but suddenly
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  makes those things really tense and really Good.
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  So there are these bits in theory as well?
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  Where I fit it. I feel like they use like some
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  photographic backgrounds and things like that as well.
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  I see it's a bit of a weird message still.
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  Yeah. You know what, I'm still
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  extremely grateful that we can. Absolutely.
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  It's a new way to experience all of these stories with their on
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  our shelves now, as well. Which is.
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  Yeah, you know, Okay, well, I got one piece of information for
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  you. Do you know who is responsible
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  for the selection of stories that we have had a man animated?
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  Kind of I'll go on in, I bet if I remember rightly, some of it
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  is Mark, Aires is not okay, it's cause it's all to do with, which
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  soundtracks exist in the best quality, but they can do
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  something with because there's no point animating the celestial
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  toymaker. If you've got a dreadful sound,
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  hissing sound track and like Marco Polo, which I know has
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  been cleaned up, but it's L a bit iffy in place.
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  Yes. Oh, well, oh well.
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  Should we skip into episode 1? Yes.
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  All right. So we're going to the unnamed
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  Connolly of the macro planet. We are.
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  Well, what are you cats in, okay.
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  All right, in five, four, three, two, one, go.
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  Off we go. Are you almost forget?
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  We get this lovely. Sorry you're watching big box or
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  DVD on Blu-ray. Oh so this lovely pre credits
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  teaser. Does not look gorgeous.
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  Beautiful. I don't think I've ever
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  mentioned it on hamster, but I have a real one of my big Doctor
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  Who things is. I love a tardis spinning in
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  space shot. I don't think we've ever
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  actually had a story with the Tardis spinning in space in
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  order once we are two examples of my favorite.
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  One of all because I do have a list go on start to Full Circle,
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  they've got the really fast Tardis coming down the street.
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  Rain. And then you've got the lovely
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  spin as it goes into East face with the quantum effects.
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  I was a, that's my go to get out of comprehend.
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  Yeah, exactly. Okay.
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  What else there is? Mars is the one that's give me
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  some bosses, has a really good one yet.
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  That's that's nice, with nice bit of Dudley swirling, the one
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  at the end of Frontier in space and start of Planet of the
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  Daleks is quite nice. Isn't it one?
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  As well as a growing Williams one.
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  We always look to bring William stacks of stones of blood.
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  Yeah amazing. Oh and you must have absolutely
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  had a hard-on of your life when you saw the new title sequence
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  for the new series, then. Yes.
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  And all those new ones that I did for the animated short
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  order, we're just well they were absolutely gorgeous.
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  Well the entrance to this colony is decidedly futuristic.
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  It, you know I'm gonna do this. Yeah, be Doc was running just
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  slightly futuristic you suck, right J&T the ANC.
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  So yep. So that gives us a really good
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  clue of what where we are and what it looks like.
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  I suppose I suppose decidedly futuristic could be anything in
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  your imaginary exactly you can make it what you want.
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  I feel like in the animated version here, it looks like it's
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  made out of a lot of egg boxes which probably you know it's
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  quite appropriate for Doctor Who.
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  Yeah. Mmm.
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  Now, here we have knocked Terrence Lodge.
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  Yes, he turns up in a couple of dogs, true story, just in
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  Carnival of monsters, which we talked about recently.
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  We did and planet of the spiders.
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  That's right. I think he him and Elisabeth
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  sladen lived together at one point.
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  She said oh right that they shared a flat forget while okay
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  when our job in actors you know they needed to bring these
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  together. In order to survive, this is a
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  really interesting. Resting opening because there's
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  it's literally just some sound effects and dancing.
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  Yes, really different and it's it wouldn't be difficult to have
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  any clue from the audit, the the audio, what's going on.
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  But I think they do a good step with the with the dancing and
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  everything else. And this this piece of music
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  chromophore band is written by Dudley Simpson but is the only
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  other piece of music for To realized by Delia Derbyshire, is
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  it really? It is so other than the theme,
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  this is the only up a bit of music for doctor that she
• 16:57
  directly did for Doctor Who, you know, what is probably the piece
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  of music are having the most after the theme tune, I know.
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  Yeah, it's really catchy. I really like, well, one thing
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  is, I love the sound effects in this throughout.
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  I think there's lots of sort of slurping Sinister sounds
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  throughout the entire story but that switch from something
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  sinister happening in the dark to the jolliness of the
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  cheerleaders and the music. And that's just Doctor Who in a
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  nutshell, isn't it? It is, isn't it?
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  It's um yeah, it really quickly establishes that you've got
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  somewhere that is bright on the outside but there's a dark
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  secret underneath and things aren't necessarily what they
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  seem. And this is that's that's like a
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  very 60s, preoccupation isn't it of like?
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  Yeah. I the whole thing is, is Barry
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  1967. So there's obviously something
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  in in the water at the time. So this ends up Up with the
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  prisoner at the end of the year, which is very, very similar to
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  this very similar program premise.
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  So, you've got a place with lots of Jingles with lots of
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  loudspeaker announcements. There looks like a holiday camp
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  but is really Sinister underneath and is dark things
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  happening. Lots of sort of mind control.
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  And yeah, yes, and weirdness. Is it with Ian Stewart black and
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  the mind because in this has something about this.
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  That's the end. Yeah.
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  That's about taking Minds. Our people isn't it in?
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  Yet the war machines is all about controlling people and
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  taking away their free will. So wondering if that's just a
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  preoccupation that he might have had, you know.
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  Yeah. Or maybe or maybe it was just
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  something that was really current because you've also got
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  the film, the ipcress file at the same time, which is all
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  about mind brainwashing and things like that in mind
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  control, and making people do things that they don't want to
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  do. So it's all there's obviously.
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  Something that is sort of worried, I don't know whether
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  it's a cold war, sort of being or whatever it is, definitely
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  the whole thing with the control arm.
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  That's very old. Well, Ian as they're very
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  absolutely. Yeah.
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  The big motionless picture on the screen with like, big
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  brother is watching you. Yeah, and it feels quite
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  prescient as well. Given how much these days I'm
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  telling you. Well, yeah, and I've been
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  reading Book about the history of the BBC recently which has
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  been very fascinating and that choir you kept that quiet.
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  Well, I have well, yeah, it was kept me quite as about 600
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  pages, long sucker, it's but it's there was a real fear of
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  using Jingles on radio and how that might brainwash people and
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  sort of be could be used for subversive means to make people
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  think things that they weren't thinking or to make them listen
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  to things that they weren't listening.
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  So all that sort of subliminal sort of sound thing.
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  So to have a story that is based around Jingles when you finish
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  work and all of that is sort of playing into really big fears in
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  in society at the time about all of these things.
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  There's an episode of the 60s sci-fi and follow G Series after
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  the unknown, which is called the tunnel under the world which is
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  my favorite episode of out. Amount which is all about
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  advertising jingles and slogans and how you end up buying
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  things, you don't want to buy because you're hearing these
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  sounds all through your day and the BBC, or obviously really
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  scared that people could be using this for nefarious means
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  and then they went and did it when they launched radio one.
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  Anyway and went down the jingle route as it was.
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  So now everyone asks where everyone's out to it.
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  Now, it's all there and we all do it, we all find ourselves.
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  Selves, humming adverts. Yeah.
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  And things like that and remembering the slogans because
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  we hear them all the time and it keeps on coming and coming and
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  coming. Oh, I beg your pardon, I was in
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  a shop. You have a day, right?
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  And the music was so sophomoric that I felt very depressed about
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  life. Ian, that straight down the
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  chocolate and I was buying, those are chocolate.
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  I was like exactly. Yeah, so it works.
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  But the jingles in this is so Sinister, isn't it?
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  Because they are really catchy, but they're all.
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  We're happy to look, you know? Yeah, thank you to thank you to
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  Lala and it's all that big love everything looking great on the
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  outside and this is such a happy place to be and it's like being
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  very much and I'm sure it's designed like this very much
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  like being at Butlins in the 1950s and 60s, where you've got
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  happy, music played through the loudspeakers at you all.
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  Guitar is fucking miserable. Yeah.
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  And to you're having a communal experience and you're having the
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  best time of your life and you really are and you're showing
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  off your knees and your grand is doing something embarrassing and
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  you're all there and it's yeah, and it is great. hey, look Dear
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  Old, Barney Alton Road, Bonnie Nothing succeeds like success.
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  So did you know what I mean? That is a authentic
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  representation of the controller.
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  Because like, there are tele snaps at this really Sinister
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  faces. Is this an it?
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  Okay, so I don't have it on this far, they're all in the colony
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  now. And yeah, mentioned the second
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  doctor polygem Polly been and G. Jamie.
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  So okay. Okay, so this is a question from
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  our dear friend Fraser Gregory. Oh, not him?
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  Yes, him. He's come out as with some
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  question was specifically to you, because he sent.
• 23:04
  Okay, all right, so when discussing troughton's
• 23:09
  companions, no one in my experience, pigs Polly been and
• 23:13
  Jamie as their favorite artists team.
• 23:15
  What is it that Jamie has that been?
• 23:18
  Doesn't that make him stand out and give him that longevity?
• 23:24
  Oh, God is good, it's me Cameron.
• 23:32
  It's a very interesting time because this is a Tardis team
• 23:36
  that is kind of thrown together in the chaos of the start of the
• 23:40
  trout in years. So it's not one that was
• 23:42
  planned, so I really love Polly. I think Polly never gets enough
• 23:47
  love. She's she's brilliant, and she's
• 23:51
  gung-ho, and she's she is scared but she's Brave.
• 23:55
  At the same time like the best Doctor, Who companions and she
• 23:58
  throws herself into an adventure and everything is Super with
• 24:02
  Polly. So she's she's great.
• 24:04
  You don't think I with her. Sometimes they make some odd
• 24:06
  choices. Now, I owe ya.
• 24:08
  There's this is B in the Highlanders where she's with.
• 24:11
  Yeah, she's like oh, you ignorant savage, you know.
• 24:14
  Yeah. She's is really interested.
• 24:17
  So it's got this wonderful thing of treating everyone in the past
• 24:22
  like they're all stupid which is very much an almost a I'm 1960s
• 24:29
  woman might like Polly my Do what effect?
• 24:32
  Well actually, I'm from a much later age.
• 24:35
  You must all be really stupid, and then realizing later on that
• 24:39
  that she's judging people, and she's not like that.
• 24:43
  And all fell out the kid in the Smugglers.
• 24:47
  Yeah. Oh God.
• 24:48
  She's hot. She's horrible.
• 24:50
  And they've convinced him. That I know that she's awake.
• 24:53
  That's right. Yes, and yes.
• 24:56
  And she has some really lovely warmth with, with Michael craze
• 25:00
  has been, oh, Oh man, there and they're this, they are
• 25:04
  good-looking. I'm telling you now they're one
• 25:06
  of the hottest pairs of Doctor Who companions in the top crazy
• 25:10
  highs in bloody. Yeah, robbery in the underwater
• 25:14
  Menace. That's the Tardis team.
• 25:15
  I would jump into merrily, I'm telling God will all fit in
• 25:18
  there somewhere. But sort of to think about it
• 25:24
  and I think what Jamie adds is maybe a bit more warmth.
• 25:32
  Yeah. So This Crew there's been and
• 25:36
  Polly are very cool 1960s and throwing a character, that's a
• 25:40
  bit more naive and doesn't know all these things.
• 25:43
  I think sort of works nicely what they do.
• 25:46
  That weird thing in the Moonbase don't lay where the two of them
• 25:50
  are fighting over. Polly.
• 25:52
  There's a bit of aggression between yeah, I often wonder if
• 25:57
  that's sort of because it's last minute and they've got to write
• 25:59
  him in and they've got to find something for him to do is I
• 26:02
  don't think that quite works because I think they are all
• 26:06
  friends, but maybe that's exactly how Ben would react
• 26:10
  because Ben can be a bit reactionary and a bit for sure
• 26:13
  with his fists and bit. There was some bits in this,
• 26:16
  right? We're and Michael because I
• 26:18
  think this is probably Michael crazes best performance because
• 26:22
  as he gives him some opportunities to do something
• 26:24
  Beyond, sort of being the doctors muscle where he's quite
• 26:31
  masculine like overly masculine and a bit sinister.
• 26:36
  Specially when he's pursuing Polly.
• 26:38
  Yeah, and you do wonder whether they brainwashing that young to
• 26:43
  goes, just unlock something that's actually think, down, in
• 26:47
  his psyche. Yeah.
• 26:49
  Because like in stories, like power of the Daleks and that he
• 26:52
  can be quite forceful where trout and contact, he's not.
• 26:55
  Yeah, he's not accepting. This is the new Doctor.
• 26:57
  He's not having it. He's not even though he's seen
• 27:00
  it happen. He's not God to accept that this
• 27:03
  is, this is the doctor. He's not like physically
• 27:07
  imposing as in. He's quite a small guy, isn't
• 27:09
  it? Yeah, race, but he's quite in
• 27:12
  your face as well and with his opinion goal.
• 27:15
  Yeah. He's got an intensity about him,
• 27:18
  I think. But he does look great.
• 27:21
  When he's been being soaked to the bone and in those jealous,
• 27:25
  that's for me to know. Smugglers is a Smuggler's very
• 27:29
  takes his gear off. Yeah, that's right.
• 27:31
  Yeah. We need those two stories back.
• 27:34
  You see his nipples in one tellest apis that would do
• 27:37
  nicely. Well, we need Fraser right now,
• 27:39
  get a bit tired. So I think they were actually,
• 27:44
  by this point, they're working quite well.
• 27:46
  As the Tardis team, I think it took until this point that's was
• 27:49
  annoying. And then in the faceless ones,
• 27:51
  obviously, they understand that they're not there.
• 27:54
  I'm I'm done very quick clearly. So I think they even have worked
• 27:59
  a nice car nice for them. I've had evil of the Daleks as
• 28:03
  well. That one that would have been a
• 28:04
  nice way to go out at the end of that.
• 28:07
  Yeah, I think that could have worked just and as a friend of
• 28:12
  mine, Andrew some says we're very much in contract roulette
• 28:18
  at the moment. Yeah.
• 28:20
  With the Companions and the changing teams.
• 28:22
  And one thing in the storage is very good, sort of behind the
• 28:26
  scenes at keeping everything running, but he's not very good
• 28:31
  at looking after his False and people are ditched almost on a
• 28:35
  whim and people are brought in on a whim.
• 28:38
  And so he creates these two fantastic new companions, brings
• 28:42
  them in and then straight away. Almost three stories in.
• 28:46
  He's bringing in another companion because he's, he likes
• 28:49
  Fraser Hines and he likes brakes.
• 28:52
  Didn't they in the thought? Yeah and then yeah.
• 28:54
  Then they want yet. Then they want.
• 28:56
  Yeah. What's the name?
• 28:57
  Pauline colonies holding Colin's to be the companion and she
• 29:01
  turns them down. Down and then they've called
• 29:03
  someone else's Victoria. And then she's fired because
• 29:06
  they don't think she will work so well with troughton and and
• 29:10
  who was apparently, he's back plate is an order 60 shows.
• 29:18
  And so, and then then then Deborah Watling is brought in so
• 29:22
  it's all over the place and I tell you a story.
• 29:27
  Well, so it's got nothing to do with any of this.
• 29:29
  Very quick low. Yes.
• 29:35
  So Barbara was reading up. Mary times autobiography?
• 29:39
  Yeah. And it was a story about how
• 29:41
  they went on the Doctor Who Crews from hell, right.
• 29:44
  And halfway through the crews, they were allowed to go ashore
• 29:47
  and Mexico because storms here, right?
• 29:49
  So that's a stay on the wall are and literally the boat was being
• 29:52
  and they were like no one can disembark the ship but nobody
• 29:56
  had told Deborah. What?
• 29:57
  Lynn and she'd gone off on one of these.
• 30:00
  One of the things to go ashore Or straight into the eye of the
• 30:03
  storm. Oh my goodness.
• 30:05
  I really when she came back through, she look like a drowned
• 30:08
  kitten. Sorry, that's why that, in some
• 30:13
  way she was a lovely lady. I love pepper.
• 30:16
  What like she liked her drinking her smokes and she did.
• 30:19
  Yes, I looked after her at a convention once clang, sorry.
• 30:25
  Frasier I never, you know, I never like to mention any more
• 30:28
  stories and it literally got to 11:30 and she Appeared from the
• 30:33
  sliding table and went and got a large glass of wine and it up
• 30:38
  for this shit, get me a job. I was getting my critera a very
• 30:45
  good question. Me Doc is on the screen.
• 30:50
  I'll try to this being nicely Elusive and setting him free.
• 30:54
  He know straightaway he often he could be seated straight.
• 30:58
  Yes. Yeah, he's seen through all of
• 31:01
  this where as his companions are a bit more seduced by the
• 31:05
  fripperies own. As one of the things we don't
• 31:07
  see in this version because of the difficulty of animating, it
• 31:11
  all was shouting in the RAF and they are the Rough and Tumble
• 31:16
  machine and making themselves small and things like that.
• 31:19
  I read that. I so what is pure trout in it?
• 31:22
  Yes. But also we don't get to see
• 31:25
  Polly been and Jamie having their treatments as well at the
• 31:27
  sort of same time. So I think there's Telly snap.
• 31:30
  Of my crazed being massaged and, and things like that, and
• 31:34
  they're all set there. With that said, I've saw that
• 31:36
  face, I would have done that job.
• 31:38
  You know, artists during the mass Elgin actually, no, because
• 31:42
  they do take some Liberties than 0 because of poly as a hair cut.
• 31:47
  That's right. Yes, but she's starting with the
• 31:49
  short hair from the start of this, and I think because that
• 31:53
  they most heinous crime in this whole thing, he was having his
• 31:56
  Ian Levine moment. Well, you know, I understand why
• 32:02
  they did it because It would just be extra cost and they have
• 32:06
  got a lot of money to do this, so not Pixar.
• 32:09
  They haven't got infinite money and I absolutely by that.
• 32:15
  Excuse until you think we'll actually they did the wheel in
• 32:19
  space animation alongside this and maybe if they hadn't have
• 32:22
  done that, they might have been answered of danis.
• 32:25
  Yes. Because at the end of the story
• 32:27
  as well, the bit where there are dancing out the whole.
• 32:30
  Yeah. We don't get that.
• 32:31
  It's up to her window. Yes.
• 32:34
  So you don't get to see that. Oh, and that's to the best bits
• 32:37
  in the whole story. Yes, I love the rough-and-tumble
• 32:40
  bad guys, huh. Yes, exactly what I need.
• 32:43
  Let's go. Now come on Doctor, get out of
• 32:46
  there. Ronnie comes back as disheveled
• 32:50
  as ever. But oh so do you think the the
• 32:53
  doctor sees through all of this, you know, jollity straight away?
• 32:59
  Yeah. I think so.
• 33:00
  I think he's naturally suspicious.
• 33:04
  So this is very be very interesting to see what Patrick
• 33:07
  troughton is doing in these things because again, we can
• 33:13
  hear his voice but his performance is so, So yeah and
• 33:20
  he's always doing. They do an amazing face quite
• 33:23
  well with this. Yes.
• 33:24
  Just because he's got a good face for animation because
• 33:26
  beautifully lined and I don't think you could ever replicate
• 33:31
  what he's doing with his face though in animation.
• 33:33
  No. And this is why every time one
• 33:36
  some of his episodes come back, you're always surprised because
• 33:39
  he's always doing something that you're not expecting him to be
• 33:42
  doing well. Those scenes in enemy in the
• 33:44
  world episode while we're is floating away with Astrid Fair.
• 33:46
  Area. Are they realize that was going
• 33:48
  on in the soundtrack and then he's just like and then you've
• 33:53
  got those scenes in part 4 of the web of fear where you've got
• 33:58
  him in. Really huge close up at the
• 34:02
  front of the frame with the other characters behind him.
• 34:04
  And while he's talking about the great intelligence and its
• 34:07
  really magical, it's really, really sick.
• 34:10
  Stirring are saying, isn't it? Yeah, excuse me where we have
• 34:15
  completely forgotten to mention. The the bondage gear that the
• 34:19
  guard seems to be wearing in this story, somehow polar in the
• 34:22
  guards knew what had to be done. Well, owners and other finger
• 34:25
  owner starts, a long tradition of fat villains.
• 34:30
  Yes, it's the Paul Whitson Jones effect.
• 34:33
  Yes. Because we're not long had pool
• 34:35
  with some Jones who was big villain in the Smugglers.
• 34:39
  That's right. And he put and then he comes
• 34:41
  back for for the mutants And then we've got this go to
• 34:46
  klauber it, his name. I think that's his name.
• 34:49
  Yeah. Playing hola II think I was
• 34:53
  pretty good in this, you know? Actually.
• 34:54
  Yeah. He's nice too sinister and he's
• 34:57
  playing sort of the archetypal sort of guard and loyal to be
• 35:02
  the community and knows his place.
• 35:06
  And yeah, you wouldn't mess with him.
• 35:08
  The person I find most Sinister in this though.
• 35:10
  Is Peter Jeffrey, because he is he He's got this sort of enforce
• 35:16
  jawless hear about him and yeah, he's the one that's running this
• 35:20
  Sweatshop and he, yeah, he knows what's going on.
• 35:25
  They could I say to him is, I don't know this in episode 1,
• 35:27
  episode 2 of they say to him, you know, oh, get the Sleep
• 35:30
  Therapy going, you know, and he's like, right, so he knows
• 35:33
  bits of what's going on, but he doesn't know about the macro,
• 35:35
  does he? Well, there's no such thing as
• 35:37
  macra so in, they don't exist, what's this?
• 35:40
  It's just oh my God, what's that?
• 35:44
  no, Joe, it looks like some kind of Tedious crab-like creature.
• 35:49
  By crab-like creature was hideous.
• 35:56
  Poor James even mock relentlessly for this, but it
• 36:01
  was obviously memorable because we remember all those bits.
• 36:06
  All right? So what, how did you find that
• 36:08
  as a first episode? Because I know that rattles
• 36:11
  along quickly, doesn't it? Yeah, it's really sort of
• 36:16
  setting is a good setup for a story.
• 36:19
  So you've got right from the start, you've got all that
• 36:23
  contrast between the happiness and the, the bad things
• 36:26
  underneath, which is a thing Doctor Who will keep keep on
• 36:30
  coming back to sort of down the years.
• 36:32
  So, yeah, it's doing good. I think that the macro Terra has
• 36:37
  like, it's like the death to the Daleks effect, right?
• 36:40
  The first half of the story is something really.
• 36:43
  Why interesting with a lot of atmosphere and I think there's
• 36:48
  something very Sinister about this sort of Jolly Koli with all
• 36:51
  these Sinister things going on and then in the latter half and
• 36:55
  then you must fight me on this later on.
• 36:57
  It becomes a bit more of a nuts-and-bolts doctor who Story
• 37:00
  down in the mines the monsters the you know it's a little bit
• 37:06
  so we're losing. Yeah we're losing the more
• 37:07
  interesting subversive message because ultimately, this is
• 37:12
  always going to be a doctor. Who isn't it?
• 37:14
  You know, yes, it's about the monsters rather than the mind
• 37:18
  control.