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Charlie Kirk’s Assassination and Israel | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: My name is. This is Germ warfare, the battle of ideas.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying my best not to butcher your name, Laurent Guano.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me in the trenches. You're in France.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah? I mean Franchier.
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  Speaker 1: I was in France in twenty twenty three, and I
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  Speaker 1: that south. The south is beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, France is a beautiful country. I mean, that's one
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  Speaker 2: thing we will always have hopefully. You know. It's the landscape.
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  Speaker 2: There's so much variety.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: always remember there's this there's this choke, the British health,
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  Speaker 2: this choke that God gave us the most beautiful country
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  Speaker 2: and then he put the most terrible people there to Canada.
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  Speaker 2: Have a balance. So whatever happens to France, I think
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  Speaker 2: we will always attract tourists because it's really beautiful country here.
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  Speaker 1: It is beautiful. The wine is I mean, I love wine,
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  Speaker 1: so we particularly enjoyed the wine. I will say though,
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  Speaker 1: that I think our wine is just as good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not very you know, I'm not a connaisseur
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  Speaker 2: in wine. So I have no problem believing you can
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  Speaker 2: do just as good as we do. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: have a.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Lauren, I'm going to start with with a quote
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  Speaker 1: from Benjamin nittan Yahoo. He said, I know what America is.
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  Speaker 1: America is a thing you can move very easily. You
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  Speaker 1: can move it in the right direction.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think that says it all. You're right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and that's the reality, I think. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't. It's the result of a lot of work
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  Speaker 2: from Israel, you know, through years of work through APAK
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  Speaker 2: and other organizations to control every single election in America
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  Speaker 2: and to the point that they reach there they can,
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  Speaker 2: really they reach the point that they control most of
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  Speaker 2: the American politicians from the from the level of mayor
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  Speaker 2: to the to the press, and the ultimately to the
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  Speaker 2: presidential candidates. That's basically the reality. I think.
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  Speaker 1: So your central argument is that this was an Israeli operation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well we have a connection problem again. But I
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  Speaker 2: guess you want me to summarize the argument for the
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  Speaker 2: you know, the case against Israel. In that case, I
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  Speaker 2: think the case is very very strong, because if you
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  Speaker 2: look at the sequence of event in the months preceding
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  Speaker 2: the death of Charlie Kirk in on September tenth, I
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  Speaker 2: think twenty twenty five, you know, there are so many
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  Speaker 2: signs that Israel was very very angry at Charlie Kirk
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  Speaker 2: for turning, you know, very critical against Israel. You know
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  Speaker 2: that Israel pushing for a war against Iran against also
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  Speaker 2: about Israel's you know, genocidal war in Gaza, and also
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  Speaker 2: about Israel's hold on American politics in general. Charliicok had
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  Speaker 2: been you know, basically, the sequence of events is very simple.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's it starts in August when no in July.
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  Speaker 2: In July, Charlie Cirk hosted Tucker Carlson as as It's
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  Speaker 2: at his tp US a Student Action summit, and there
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  Speaker 2: was also Megan Kelly and Dave Smith, and they talked
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  Speaker 2: very strongly against Israel and about the Epstein file. And
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  Speaker 2: that was one of the first time you know, it
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  Speaker 2: became a public subject that let's open the Epstein file
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  Speaker 2: because Jeffrey Epstein is obviously a Mozarle agent. You know.
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  Speaker 2: That came out very very clearly in those debates, and
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  Speaker 2: so that met a lot of people very angry. And
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  Speaker 2: Bill Lackman, who was the major, the main financier of TPUSA,
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  Speaker 2: kind of organized a meeting in early August, and Kirk
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  Speaker 2: came out of that meeting very angry. He felt he
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  Speaker 2: had been blackmailed, he had been you know, bullied to submit,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to come back to the pro Israel line,
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  Speaker 2: and he talked about it. He talked about it even
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  Speaker 2: publicly to Megan Kelly, the Megan Kelly the next day,
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  Speaker 2: August six, you know, there's this video where he says
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  Speaker 2: he says, he says, quote, I have less ability to
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  Speaker 2: criticize the Israeli government that than actual Israelis do, and
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  Speaker 2: that's really, really weird. So he was really upset about
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  Speaker 2: the pressure he was receiving from his donors, his Jewish donors,
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  Speaker 2: and he he started to talk about his Jewish donors.
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  Speaker 2: And then in August thirteen, there was this incredibly strange
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  Speaker 2: tweet posted by Arison Smith. Nobody paid attention at that time,
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  Speaker 2: but then after Charlie Kirk's days, it became a really
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  Speaker 2: big item in the news because Arison Smith posted a
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  Speaker 2: small tweet. It was just a reply to something else.
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  Speaker 2: He said, I was told by someone close to Charlie
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  Speaker 2: Kirk that Charlie Kirk thinks Israel will kill him if
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  Speaker 2: he turns against them, you know, so that's that's really
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  Speaker 2: like Charlie Kirk saying. Of course it's not a direct
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  Speaker 2: quote from Charlie Kirk, but you know, it was one
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  Speaker 2: month before Charlie Kirk died, so there was there would
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  Speaker 2: be no reason for Harison Smith to put this out
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  Speaker 2: in the air. Charlie Kirk felt threatened, you know, his
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  Speaker 2: life threatened by Israel. So and then Charlie Kirk continued
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  Speaker 2: to kind of push back, you know, he didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to fear for his life, but he's continued to push back,
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  Speaker 2: and he invited Majorie Taylor Green, another anti you know,
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  Speaker 2: very critical person against Israel and pushing for the release
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  Speaker 2: of the Epstein file and so on. And then there
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  Speaker 2: was also September eighth, and say he was killed in
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  Speaker 2: September tenth, but September eight, he had an interview with
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  Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro, where again he expressed his anger as not
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  Speaker 2: being allowed to criticize Israel. You know, he's a Maga,
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  Speaker 2: he's a make America great again. He's not to make
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  Speaker 2: Israel great again in person, So why should he talk
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  Speaker 2: about the problem of Israel's, of America's relationship with Israel
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  Speaker 2: and so on. So of course Ben Shapiro, you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of react, made strange face when he heard all this.
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  Speaker 2: And then there was that became revealed later by Kens
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  Speaker 2: and there was some exchange and what'sapp involving Josh Hammer,
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  Speaker 2: Rabbi Voliki and all kinds of Jewish people who were
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  Speaker 2: kind of trying to monitor and kind of handle, trying
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  Speaker 2: to handle Charlie Kirk. Then September nine, there was again
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  Speaker 2: some some some talk, and then September ninth, at nine
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  Speaker 2: pm in the evening before he died, there was a
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  Speaker 2: Zoom meeting where again Josh Hammer was no what's his name,
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  Speaker 2: b black Man, of course, was again pushing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: threatening Charlie Kirk. And another strange thing is that Josh Hammer,
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  Speaker 2: who is part of the Jewish group to try to
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  Speaker 2: keep you know, the the Maga movement in line with
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli interest, tweeted something or we tweeted a very
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  Speaker 2: old tweet by Trump talking about quote, should be public
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  Speaker 2: execution for all to see, and then just the next
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  Speaker 2: day after Charlie Kirk's death, he tweeted those two words
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  Speaker 2: public public execution. You know, So these people are Israel Basically,
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  Speaker 2: these people are you know, the Israel branch of the
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  Speaker 2: Maga movement trying to stir the Maga movement in the
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  Speaker 2: interest of Israel, and they were using Charlie Kirk. Charlie
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  Speaker 2: Kirk was a very influential person and obviously a very
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  Speaker 2: stubborn person who didn't want to stay in line with that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with Israel interest. So there's a very strong
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  Speaker 2: case that he was killed by Israel. Plus if you
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  Speaker 2: add to that, of course the strange the event itself,
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  Speaker 2: and all the things that don't make sense with Tyler
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  Speaker 2: Robinson being the lone shooter, then you have a very
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  Speaker 2: strong case against Israel. Israel, we would have to explain
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  Speaker 2: what we mean by Israel, not necessarily the state of Israel,
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  Speaker 2: of course, right, Yeah, what.
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  Speaker 1: You're meaning is pro Israel fanatics.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what I mean is Israel as an international deep state.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Israel has a very special nation which has agents,
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  Speaker 2: thousands of dedicated agents, sayanim you know, everywhere in the world,
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  Speaker 2: people working in the interest of the State of Israel
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  Speaker 2: throughout the world. Israel is a nation that cannot be
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  Speaker 2: compared to any other nation. It's both a state in
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  Speaker 2: Palestine and an international organization you know, worldwide, especially in
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  Speaker 2: America and in Europe. So you know, I mean, to
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  Speaker 2: define Israel would require a little bit of time because
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  Speaker 2: it's something very very special. We're not talking just about
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  Speaker 2: the state somewhere in the Middle East, of course.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of like talking about the CIA.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, but it's something much deeper than the CIA,
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  Speaker 2: I think, and much broader. I mean, and it's not
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  Speaker 2: even only the mocade itself. You know, those people who
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  Speaker 2: were around Charlie Kerr probably and no connection to Mosad,
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  Speaker 2: but they have so many connections with all with so
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  Speaker 2: many criminal networks, you know, for example, if they want
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  Speaker 2: to take out somebody, you know, it's very similar to
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  Speaker 2: the case of Kennedy. That's one of the reason I
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  Speaker 2: got very interested in that case, because you have here
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  Speaker 2: a public execution. We don't know who the shooter was.
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe it was Tyler Robinson. So but you know,
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  Speaker 2: we can imagine these people, these billionaires, they have no
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  Speaker 2: problem hiring whatever, you know, how many shooters snipers they
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  Speaker 2: need from any kind of criminal organization that's on the problem.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you when you talk about Israel, that's
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily orders coming from the Israeli government.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, that's that's a good question because actually, and
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  Speaker 2: all the strange things that there were so many rumors
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  Speaker 2: that Israel was involved, that Nataniahu himself publicly, I think
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  Speaker 2: twice declared, wow, I have nothing to do with Charlie
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  Speaker 2: Kirle's assassination. You know, he felt like he had to
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  Speaker 2: say it because there was so many accusation targeting in
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  Speaker 2: But I don't believe he had anything to do himself.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think Israel is working a little bit
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  Speaker 2: like an organism where there are a lot of initiatives.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's not all centralized, and it was a
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  Speaker 2: hierarchy and the decisions are always made by Natania who
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  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people can make decisions. Bill
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  Speaker 2: Lackman probably acted on his own, that's my guess. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's a billionaire. He would not Philly has to ask
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  Speaker 2: permission for Natan from NATANIAO to act. But he would
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  Speaker 2: know that all of this Israel organism would cover him,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So you know that's my understanding. That's just speculation,
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  Speaker 2: of course, but I don't think it would necessarily come
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  Speaker 2: from the top of Israel State or even from Mosadan necessarily.
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  Speaker 2: But there is this kind of understanding that and maybe
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  Speaker 2: he acted. Maybe b Lackman gave the orders and organized
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  Speaker 2: the shooting, and maybe he was called and inside, maybe
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  Speaker 2: he was told, well, you shouldn't have done it, but
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  Speaker 2: now that you've done it, will cover you. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's the way they work. It's like the mafia, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like a big family. It is a mafia. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: it is an ethnique mafia. So they would cover each
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  Speaker 2: other's us even though you know, sometimes they would act,
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  Speaker 2: some people would act without everybody else completely agree with
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  Speaker 2: what they're doing, you know, but it's a big family.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, you've adjusted your views on the actual killing itself.
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  Speaker 1: There are a lot of arguments on the internet saying
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  Speaker 1: that it was a hoax, he didn't actually die, And
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  Speaker 1: I personally have a lot of questions about the actual
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  Speaker 1: bullet shot somebody who goes hunting it. You know, as
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  Speaker 1: far as I know, the caliber was a three or eight,
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  Speaker 1: which I can tell you right now from that distance
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  Speaker 1: will have an exit wound, and I wonder, how is
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  Speaker 1: it possible that there was no exit wound.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I reacted very quickly on that subject.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to follow to get all the information because
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  Speaker 2: you know, when something like this happened, there's so many
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  Speaker 2: things coming out and then it tends to disappear. So
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  Speaker 2: I felt very important to listen to everything. So I
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  Speaker 2: was just compiling the information, and at some point, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was very convinced some people who had some expertise
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  Speaker 2: in gun shooting and who said what you said, for example,
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  Speaker 2: that the caliber doesn't fit. There would have been an
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  Speaker 2: exit wound and there was no exituent. Even kend this
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  Speaker 2: Sawen add access to the video from the back of
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's head and she said there was no exituent.
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  Speaker 2: There was no blood the bit from behind. So of
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  Speaker 2: course that means the caliber that they said it was
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  Speaker 2: was something different. Possibility was it was a fragmented you
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  Speaker 2: know bullet that fragments as soon as the bullet that
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  Speaker 2: explodes as soon as it hits the body. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not an expert. I'm not a good owner. I've
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  Speaker 2: never shot any animals, so I have no expertise. So
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  Speaker 2: but after you know, listening to all kinds of different speculations,
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  Speaker 2: there was speculation that he didn't die. There was a
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  Speaker 2: speculation also that his mic exploded. But then there was
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  Speaker 2: no blood. There was all kinds of weird things about
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  Speaker 2: the images. We didn't seem much blood when they carried
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  Speaker 2: the Charlie Kirk. You know, there was no blood dripping.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't have blood. The people were carrying his body,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't seem to have blood on their hands. All
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  Speaker 2: kinds of things, and especially of course the no exit wound.
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  Speaker 2: The problem when you know, the neck is not very thick,
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  Speaker 2: so that's difficult to explain. So but basically, after I
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  Speaker 2: saw Chris Martinson's explanation. Chris Martinson is a really gun expert,
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  Speaker 2: ballistic expert, so I found an explanation quite convincing. He
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  Speaker 2: explained that as soon as the heart stops beating, there's
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  Speaker 2: no bleeding anymore. Because you know, as soon as the
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  Speaker 2: heart stops pumping, I mean, you know, there's no, the body,
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  Speaker 2: the bleeding stops automatically, so he says, probably the heart
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  Speaker 2: stops right away. He was he died instantly, So that
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  Speaker 2: that was his explanation, and then his explanation for all
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  Speaker 2: the weird pictures we see, we see Kirk's T shirt
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  Speaker 2: blowing up, we see we see you know something that
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  Speaker 2: gave rise to the theory that there was a microphone
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  Speaker 2: explosion and so on, And he said, no, that that's
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  Speaker 2: that's that's very easy to explain. If the bullet did
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  Speaker 2: not exit, then there is a tremendous pressure, instant pressure
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  Speaker 2: that kind of push you know, everything out world. So anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I felt quite convinced by his theory. His theory is basically,
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  Speaker 2: the bullet did not come from the place where Tyler
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  Speaker 2: Robinson was place, came from another place. He made this
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  Speaker 2: very precise trajectory analysis based on the place of the
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  Speaker 2: exit were and so on. And he said, well, if
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  Speaker 2: it was a special kind of bullet that would that
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  Speaker 2: was made not to exit. You know that kind of
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  Speaker 2: bullet exists. I believe you know, it's made to to
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  Speaker 2: to explode in aybody. So I you know, I trust
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  Speaker 2: people who have an expertise on that and Chris Martinson.
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  Speaker 2: I invited everybody to watch his videos. I think I
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  Speaker 2: think many people were convinced by his explanation. And so
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  Speaker 2: I was to why Charlie, Well, I think Charlie was.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know him. But one point I want to
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  Speaker 2: add about you know, in fact, if you think about it,
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  Speaker 2: whether Charlie was dead or not dead, or whether it
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  Speaker 2: was a microphone explosion doesn't make so much different the
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  Speaker 2: point that he was taken out. And I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he was the kind of guy to say, okay, to
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  Speaker 2: make a deal, Okay, take me out, but keep me
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  Speaker 2: alive and you know, exfiltrate me somewhere. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: think he was the kind of guy because if you
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  Speaker 2: listened to I didn't know him before, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: after listening to all kinds of things after, I got
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  Speaker 2: a feeling he's he was a very smart guy, very patriotic,
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  Speaker 2: sincerely patriari sincerely Christian, evangelical. I think, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of Catholic friends like and so and
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  Speaker 2: very close to Kendes, and I think Kenneth Owens was
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  Speaker 2: the person who did the most the biggest job to
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  Speaker 2: after his death, to you know, to bring out all
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  Speaker 2: those things. She obviously loved him very very much as
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  Speaker 2: a friend and they had been very close, so she
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  Speaker 2: was very sincerely involved in trying to bring the truth out.
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  Speaker 2: And what I got, the feeling I got is that
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk said, really sincere Christian patriot who's felt very
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  Speaker 2: disturbed by interference with Israel, who found himself in this
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  Speaker 2: position to have a lot of money to you know,
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  Speaker 2: to support his work at tip USA, and at some
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  Speaker 2: point realized, well, all this, all this money in Israel
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  Speaker 2: in money. So he found himself in this difficult position
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  Speaker 2: where he felt he had been both well he probably
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  Speaker 2: had realized this money was coming from Israel, but at
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  Speaker 2: some point he realized what it really meant, and he
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  Speaker 2: felt he cannot anymore, you know, speak as if he's
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  Speaker 2: okay with what is Frail's doing. So, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I think he was an important person. Some people say
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  Speaker 2: he was a presidential potential candidate in the future. He
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  Speaker 2: was very young. I don't know exactly how old. He was,
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  Speaker 2: probably around thirty or maybe not even thirty years old,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but he had a bright future. I
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  Speaker 2: think if you listen to him, you can see he's
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  Speaker 2: very smart. You know, he's a good talker, he knows
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  Speaker 2: what he's talking about. So he was So that's why
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  Speaker 2: I felt there's something very similar to kennedy assassination. You know,
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  Speaker 2: there's not so many assassinations like this filmed indirect you know,
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  Speaker 2: where you can see you can see the bullet, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in Kennedy's case, exploding his head and so on. I
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  Speaker 2: think there was a very similar are in there. So
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  Speaker 2: I think he was important because it's extremely important for
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  Speaker 2: Israel to keep the Mega movement in line and to
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  Speaker 2: keep also the evangel called Christians in line with Zionism,
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  Speaker 2: to direct to stir you know, evangely called Christianity in
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  Speaker 2: the direction of Christian Zionism. It's extremely important because in America,
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  Speaker 2: and we can see it now, you know, there's so
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  Speaker 2: many Christian Evangelly calls around Donald Trump and they're all saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: if you're a Christian, you should love Israel. It's very
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  Speaker 2: important for Israel to use Christianity as a you know,
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  Speaker 2: a propaganda tool in support of Israel because Israel is
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  Speaker 2: a holy country, gods, people, and so on. So I
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  Speaker 2: think they felt that they could not let Kirk get
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  Speaker 2: away with it. And there's also an element, kind of
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a mafia style element, you know, we pay you. You know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: you cannot betrayers. That's not acceptable. They cannot, they cannot
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: let it go. So they had to make to make
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: an example. And the way the execution was made very
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: publicly is you know, mafia's style, making an example, you know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: to send a message. I think that's that's Uh, there's
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: all the dimension in the case.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: So the the irony is that Charlie started turning point USA,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and then himself started turning.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was turning. Yeah, absolutely, he was turning here.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: And because of his because of his huge influence, it
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: posed a problem.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because of his huge influence, because of all the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: messages he was receiving for young from young people on campus,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: he was constantly bombarded with a question, what about Israel?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Do you support Israel? You know, Nick Fuentes had been
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: very strong opportent to Charlie Kirk, and Nick Vantes has
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: not been talking very nicely about Charlie Kirk even after
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: his death, but he Charlie Kirk had been under tremendous
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: pressure on the campuses and he was listening, probably sincerely
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: interested in what young people are thinking, and he was
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: receiving a lot of criticism for you know, tip USA's
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: you know, support of Israel. So he was turning. He wanted,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: he wanted to be he wanted to be real, you know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: he wanted he didn't want to become He didn't feel
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: comfortable with being feeling both and threatened and bullied by
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: by his Israeli Jewish donors. So I can imagine these
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: kind of people, you know who well, I mean, it's
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: not very difficult to imagine what he was thinking. And
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: if you think he was a sincere guy, you know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you can easily put yourself in his situation and understand
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: and his struggle and understand that as a Christian he
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: preferred to, you know, risk his life rather than lie
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: out of fear of dying. I think, you know, this
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: kind of people is you know, he's a I think
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: he was a kind of people that you could not
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Israel could not control anymore. They went too far trying
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: to control him, and he had gone too far speaking
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: or speaking around, you know, saying how how disturbed he
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: was about being manipulated by Israel. So I think they
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: came at the point and Black Man probably acted out
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: of also anger, you know, he felt, how can this guy,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm paying him, he's my employee, you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: how it can how can he talk back to me
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: like this? I think there was this kind of dimension.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I think that the operation probably lacked it was. It
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: gives me the impression that, you know, it was not
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: very much planned, you know, because Israel's fingerprints are all
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: over the place, So either they wanted their fingerprints to
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: be all over the place, which is a possibility that
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: they want people to know that Israel can take away
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: anybody they want and they can get away with it.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Nobody can do anything about it. Maybe that's the message
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: they want to send.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Also, what sort of influence has Israel had over American conservatism?
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I say conservatism quote unquote, because I don't know what
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: that term really means anymore. If we think about Candice
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Owens and Ben Shapiro, they're both considered conservative, but they
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: are very different.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Well, it's obviously there has been a bit split within
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the conservative movement, and I think Charlie Kirk's assassination kind
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: of accelerated and amplify that split. You know, after his assassination,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: it was really the split became very obvious. So all
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: these people who had been part of the Mega movement
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: spread in two and we have the Turker, Carson, Candes
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and Nick Fuentes, all these people who had been very
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: supportive of MAGA. Now they are they are not MAGA anymore.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: MAGA does not exist. What's left of MAGA is basically
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the Zionist people who support Trump today as basically a Zionist.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: So they're either Jewish Zionists or they're Christian Zionists who
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: thinks being Christian means supporting Israel whatever Israel does. You know,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: people like Mike Kabee, you know, he say he said,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: well the Jews were given this the whole Middle least,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: they can take the whole Middle East. Well, because that's
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: what God wanted, you know. That's that's the line of
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: these people now who are Christian Evangelic called not so
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: many Catholics in that in that line of thinking. But
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: you know, and if you listen to Pete so it's
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: big mysterious. Probably some of them are not sincere just
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: doing this because they're completely bought by Israel. People like
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: you know, those senators like well I forget their name anyway,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: who support Israel and conditionally and in the name of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: being Christian. I don't. I'm wondering if they really believe
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: what they're saying, or like Peter except also who suddenly
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: has become a you know, a guy who who quotes
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the Bible to justify what he's doing. You know, is
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: it since here or not? I doubt it. I don't know.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I don't really, I don't really believe this kind of
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I think this kind of people they don't even know whether.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, there are these kind of people
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: who are so used to lying that they even believe
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: their own lives. I mean, the psychology of this kind
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: of people is very strange, very difficult for normal people
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to understand. They get convinced by their own lies because
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: for them, truth has no meaning, you know, for them
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: to it's Trump. There's many tested testimonies about Trump, Trump thinking.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Trump's philosophies like this. You know, you repeat something enough
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: times it becomes true. Truth doesn't have any meaning for them.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I think that that's that's the bottom line.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I just want to clarify something. So you mentioned a
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: few names of individuals who are suspicious. Bill Ackman, You've
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you've you've noted Josh Hammer, you've noted Rabbi Waliki, is
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that right?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, Rabbi Weliky.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Robert Schulman, and Seth Dylan, is that right?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? I mean, I mean in one about this
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: article I made, I started with all the names of
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: these people who are important to understand, to understand, you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: who was around Charlie Kirk. So you know, I discovered
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: those people after when I started to look into Charlie
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Coom's assassination. I had no special understanding of them before
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: black Man is you want me to go through these
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: people really really quick? So black Man is a hatch
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: fund manager. He's worth nine billion dollars, and he's an unconditional,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: unconditional supporter of Israel. And so he's the one who
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: basically the main, the major financier of tp U s A.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: And he I said in August four and five, he
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: organized a two day meeting with all the people involved,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: all the donors, and uh, and that's the that was
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the start. When Charlie Kirk felt he came out of
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: that meeting feeling threatened and bullied, and he spoke a
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: value to Megan Kelly and other people. And then there's
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Josh Hammer who's also involved. He was in that meeting.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: He's another very strong Israeli first, you know, Jewish guy
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: who wrote a book called Israel and Civilization, trying to
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: explain to American that the birth of America, the birth
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: of Western civilization, is in Jerusalem. You know, that's a typical,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: typical theory of these kind of people. Without the Jews,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: it would be nothing. You know, we gave you everything,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: We gave you God. You know, without the Jews, you
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even know about God, you wouldn't know about anything.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: That's a very old theory. Actually, it goes back to
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: even the time of even before Christ. You know, there
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: was those books written saying, well Moses thought everything to
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Plato and Aristotle, and you know even the Greeks learned
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: everything from the Jews. So that's an obsession for them.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: They probably believe it actually. So he's this kind of guy,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: you know, and he was around Charlie Kirk and l
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: is pushing for Charlie Kirk. And as I said, he
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: made this very suspicious tweet just before the day before
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: he retweeted something from Trump which had nothing to do
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: with you know, I don't know if the original background,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: but this tweet was about public execution. He deserves public execution.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And then just after Charlie Kirk's death, he retweeted again
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: those two words public execution without any context. You know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: that's an incredible almost confession. You know, it's very difficult
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: to That's why I say. You know, in some cases
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: it seems like they wanted the world to know Israel
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: did it and there's nothing you can do about it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: You know, we know, we want you to know we
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: did it, so you know we did it. We know
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you know we did it, but we know you can't
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: do anything about it. I think that's part of the message,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: because they feel now so confident, so powerful, They feel
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: there they against such a keep control of America that
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: they can behave like this. In fact, they cannot help
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: but behave like this, you know, then brag about their power.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Rabbi Woliki claimed he was the rabbi of Charlie Kirk.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. You know, he claimed to
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: be the spiritual advisor of Charlie Kirk. They like to
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: say this. You know that there are the spiritual advisers
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: of Christians, and he was part of all these meetings.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: He was part of the Zoom meeting in the day
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the night before Charlie Kirk's assassination, and he made some
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: comments about that meeting after saying that, well, you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: we try to get Kirk rehearse his a talking point
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: about Israel, and he said, quote, well, Charlie Kirk was
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: it a very combative mood, which could mean different things,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And then he added he was playing the devil's advocate.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Kirk was playing the devil's advocate in that meeting. What
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: does that mean? I mean, it's only possible meaning Charlie
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Kirk was answering back to those talking points. He was
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: not agreeing with those talking points. You know, you can
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: play the devil's advocate as a way to you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: to kind of do in a game, you know, to pretend,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: but you can also you know, in the case of
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, is very clear that he did not agree
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: with those stoking points. So Rabbi Voliki was maybe not
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: directly involved, but of course in the assassination, but he
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: was part of the environment, the Israelian environment. And Robert
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Shillman was one of the major donor who declared, yeah,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: just before I forgot exactly when, but he decided to
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: withdraw his donation from TPUs a two million dollars and
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: actually Charlie Kirk made comments about it. He said, well,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I lost two million dollars, so what you know, I'm
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: not working for the money. So that was another guy
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: who represented Israeli money. You know, there's a lot of
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: money involved in In fact, probably Charlie Kirk maybe have
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: felt well in him, he got too much money. I
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: don't know about his personal situation. There are rumors that
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: he you know, he had a big, very big lifestyle,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: big house, and so I don't know about this. That's
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: quite possible. I mean, you know, he would of course
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: use part of that money personally. So he is not
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: also I don't want to. I don't think he should
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: be also presented as a completely innocent and pure. But
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: he probably felt at some point that he doesn't want
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: to sell his soul to You know, if you're a
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: sincere Christian that comes appoint you, you have to wonder
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: are you who are you working for? You know? And
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: there is Set Dilan who is another Set didn't pretends
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: to be a Christian. I have a tweet of him.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Jesus might say, here is Jewish you know, he is
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: this kind of Christian who wants to say, well, if
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: you worship, if you're a Christian, you worship a Jew,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: so you worship Israel. That goes together.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: He's also the CEO of the Babylon b if I'm.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, which is.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: A very Zionist operation.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not very familiar, but it sounds like yeah, yeah, I.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Mean they are. They are satirical and they're very funny,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: but they have a very pro Israel leaning.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I heard. I haven't been on their
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: site much, but yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, So Tyler Robertson, you Reckon was not the loan gunman.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: He could be a patsy. The whole thing was possibly
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: an operation.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I think so, in fact, I just checked. Now
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: there's still the court case. The case is not he's
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: very very slow, but he did not plead guilty at
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: this point, which means, you know, he's probably preparing to
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: plead not guilty, and he's probably under pressure to plead
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: guilty by you know, always the same argument. If you
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: plead guilty, maybe you can escape the death penalty. If
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: you plead not guilty and you are found guilty, then
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: you will you will be you know. That's that's how
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: they got different people plead guilty even even though they
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: were not. But he's very obviously, very surrounded by his
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: own family. So we hope he will not die because
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: he is if he is a pet seed, and surely
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: some people would prefer to have him die. So that's
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: an interesting thing to follow. I think they're taking a
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: lot of time because they think more has more time passes,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: less people will be interested in the case. You know,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: we tend to forget to move on something. So but
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I believe he had nothing to do with it, and well,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he had to do with it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: He was obviously there. Was he there with a gun
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: or not without a gun? I don't know. This is
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: very unclear, So I have no special information on that.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe he was trick to be there for some reason,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: you know he was. This is very mysterious. I don't know. Ultra, Yeah,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I'm K Hultrump. Maybe, but I tend to think MK Ultra.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Explanation is always a little bit too easy, and we
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: tend to exaggerate and culture I think, you know, you
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: don't there's different ways to to make some people believe that, well,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: we need you there just in case, or we need
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: you there to because we want to make a false assammination.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: And well I don't know exactly how how he was
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: tricked to be there, very mysterious. But according to Chris
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Master Martinson, whom I mentioned before, the bullet could not
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: come from where he was. So that's for me, you know,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: having no special expertise, I have to trust the people
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: that I feel are trustworthy, and I feel that's trustworthy analysis.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: These lone gunman narrators are almost never true.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah they are right, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Well we
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: have the case of Kennedy. We also have the case
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: of the fake which I think fake assassination attempt on
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. But this guy, this perapsy in
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the case, was dead. But he was also an interesting case.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Is an interesting new development is Joe Kent. Recently, you know,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: who resigned from his position as counter terrorism chief under Trump,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: said publicly, well, he was very disturbed by the fact
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: that he could not get into the investigation about the
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Butler assassination and about Kirk's assassination. He said the NBI
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: kept him out. He said, well, this has to do
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: with terrorism, I have to get involved. So no, no,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: we were controlling the investigation. He was very disturbed by that.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, all the patsies, Yeah yeah.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Luther King also was a it wasn't the loan gunman.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the case Martin Luther King. What's his name?
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Earl forgot the name of the guy who got convicted.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what you know what I said before
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: he was he was convinced to plead guilty with the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: argument that he might escape the death penalty in that case.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: But then he recanted that you coun't recaint once you're guilty,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: you count just reverse. So but he was not. He died.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: He died in prison, and he even wrote a book.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't write it himself. But yeah, he
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: was not a lone gun man. He was not even
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: shoot He didn't even even shoot anybody. He was just there.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: He was just put in the hotel room and somebody
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: put a gun with his fingerprints under the window. You
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: know that that's all you need. I mean, it's not
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: very difficult to manipulate a patsy and put the guy
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: there in the right place with his fingerprints somewhere fingerprints
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: was also something they talked a lot about Tyler Robinson.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: You know, they found this gun. The official explanation is
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: that he dismantled a gun with a screwdriver. Then he
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: ran away and he really really put the gun together
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: and left it in the grass somewhere, and they found
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: his fingerprints on the gun. I mean, this is so ridiculous,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: you know. That's that's one thing that makes me think,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you know, this is kind of affair. They feel so confident,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: don't They don't feel they have to to prepare the
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: mean to to make something really believable, and you know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: they don't. The scenario itself is just so lousy, but
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: that's because they feel they don't even have to to
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: take the pain to do something more more credible.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: And normally that breaks my brain is Charlie Kirk's wife
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: and how she responded to the whole thing.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's really strange. Yeah, that's really strange. There's
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: been so many from the very beginning, she behaved very strange.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: In fact, a lot of people have been analyzing even
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: their body language, her way to talk, and they say
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: she's an actress, she's fake, she's not in she's not
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: in pain. She's not in she's not mourning. You know,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: it's all fake. She is really really strange. And then
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the way she took over tip us A. And and
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: then if you study her background first, you learn that
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: in fact, in the case of Erica kirk I think
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: was something interesting is that her background does not really
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: connect directly to Israel, but her background directly connects to
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Trump because she first came as a public figure as
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Miss Arizona, I think, in a contest which belongs to Trump,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: you know. And Trump is known to like to hang
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: around all these young beauty beauty queens. You know, he
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: bragged about it. He liked to go into their into
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: their their room where they dress up, and he said that.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: So he was very he owned different miss he owned
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Miss America or Miss Arizona and a few other I'm
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: not sure exactly, but and she was. There's a lot
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: of rumors, which I feel quite credible, that she was
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: introduced to Charlie kirk By. So there is a strong
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: sense that this marriage was kind of weird. And there's
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: also the rumor that they were not together anymore already
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: for you know, a few months, maybe a year, you know,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: so they were not. They were not divorcing publicly, but
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: they were not living together anymore. So, yeah, she is
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: very strange. And the theory that she was kind of
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: a honeypot or or she was kind of the price
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: that Kirk, you know, got to you know, some kind
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: of honeypot in a sense of not a honeypot in
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: the sense of tricking him and then blackmail him him,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: but in a sense of putting in his bed somebody
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: who would would at least control him or monitor him,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: spy on him and keeping in line and so on.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, she she's that's the whole dimension of
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: the story, which is really weird because obviously they were
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: a strange couple. There are some videos, even some videos
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: before their marriage where you see Erica. There is one
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: video where Charlie Kirk invited her. She was already part
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: of the TPUSA, he hired her, and then one time
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: he invited her and she's there on the front of
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the camera. Oh you're so beautiful. Oh, and then she
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: has these eyes. You know, it's too much, you know,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: it's just too much, looks too much like a like
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: an act.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Well exactly, I mean a week later, she comes out
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: on stage with fireworks and it's a huge production. It
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: was just so strange.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: It is, it is, you know, even the ceremony, which
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: was not a funeral ceremony because actually Charlie Kirk's family
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: also were never there, you know, in those events. So
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: but the ceremony was after I wrote it down, Cardinal Stadium.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Where was it? I forgot which city. But there's also
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: some information that he had been rented since may you know,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: it's kind of a stadium that you cannot rent, you know,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: two weeks in advance. So yeah, this ceremony was extremely weird.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: And then the whole you know, the whole show business
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: atmosphere was really not appropriate. Many people felt absolutely not
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: appropriate for a funeral or for a memorial for somebody
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: who died. And the way she dressed up was so
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: sexy and inappropriate. And she is really really weird. Yeah,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: in that case, I mean, mk ultra comes to mind
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: because she is really so strange. You wonder what they
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: did to her brain.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Do you think that she might have had a role
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: in his death?
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I think she. I suspect they were not together anymore.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I suspect she was definitely thinking he went offline. You know,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: the she lost control on him. So I think she
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: didn't care. I don't think she was in charge or
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: she was part of the plot, but I think she
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: just felt, Charlie Kirk is gone. It's not part of
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: my life, you know. And probably she knew what would
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: happen and what when it happened. She was absolutely obviously
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: not very sad. She got very angry about people who
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: wanted the truth about Charlie Kirk's death. You know. Then
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: she got very angry. But from the from the next day,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: she said she forgives the guy who killed her husband.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's that's all she had to say.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: You know, she she forgive, you know, she was she
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: had no problem with the guy who killed her husband.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: But she had a big problem with all those people
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: who wanted to have the to you know, to get
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: to the bottom of the of the truth of what
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: happened to Charlie Kirk. She got very angry about That
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense if she he loved Charlie Kirk really.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And then you have the Gray Zone reporting that Charlie
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: had rejected netnyo's funding and was quote unquoite frightened by
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: the pro Israel faction and I think you said that
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: he warned Trump against bombing Iran.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah he did. He was close to Trump.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: And that's another thing too. Trump also reacted very strangely
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: after Charlie Kirk's death. You know, I think that the
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: day the next day, on that very day, he was
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: at the you know, sports I think it was football game,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: you know, or doing his dance, you know, looking so
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: excited about I think it was the same day, in
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: the afternoon or the next day maybe. And then two
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: days later, some journalists in the White House interviewed him, Oh,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: you must feel very sad about your friend Charlie Kirk,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: and he said, I feel fine. And actually he started
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: to talk about his White House ballroom, so he didn't
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: want to comment anything about Charlie Kirk, which was very strange.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: He didn't want to even make some basic comment, you know.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: And and yeah, that was not from Trump's side, But
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: you were talking about Nataniawo. So one thing I forgot
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: to mention is that at the meeting on August seven
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: and eight, organized by Bill Lackman, reportedly they received a
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: phone call directly from Mitaniahu who wanted to speak to
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. So I don't know if Charliekirk spoke directly
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: to him or indirectly, but you know, there was a
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: phone call in that meeting and Charlie Kirk was invited
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: to go to Israel and he refused. And he was
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: also so offered I don't know how one billion or
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: a few million dollars, I don't know exactly extra, you know,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: if he would only go to Israel, which means, of
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: course he must have understood, you I go to Israel,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: that means I have to be photographed in front of
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the wall, you know, kiss the wall, and do all
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: these things and and make a speech. And you know,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: he refused, and that's enough, and that's an offer you
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: can't refuse most by definition, you know. Uh. Yeah, that's
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: an important and important element to the case, which also showed,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: you know, the direct connection that Bi Lackman had with
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Nita Yahu, you know.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: And then there's that mystery of the private jet.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that that came out at some point.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: It's not uh, it seems to be true. I haven't
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: seen any contradiction to that case. I think that the
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: name of the guy of the owner of that plane
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: is direct Maxfield, and he's a Jewish or a Kist
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: design is a billionaire or rich man who has a
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: private jet who took took off here from a nearby
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: at the time when normally it should have been you know,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: all plane flights should have been canceled in the area,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: and they were canceled, it seems like, and he took off,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: and yes, he did turn off his transporter, so nobody
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: can know exactly where he landed. So yeah, the theory,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: the hypothesis, the suspicion is that the real shooter was
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: taken off at some point some people and I echoed
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: that theory, you know, at some point it could have
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: been possible that it was actually Charlie Kirk who who
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: was exfiltrated by displaying if Charlie Kirk did not die,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: but that theory I don't believe. So of course, again
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: there's no proof that it was connected, but it's very
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: suspicious thing, you know, especially since this guy direct Maxfield
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: is documentedly is documented as as a supporter, as a Zionist,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: you know supporter. So now what, Well, now, I think
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to keep Sometimes I try to check where
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: the court case is going, because that will be very
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: interesting and we should not forget about this. They want
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: us to forget. You know, a lot of things like
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: this want they want to take as much time as
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: possible because so many things happening between people's mind has shifted.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: So but in that case, he's not the pats, he's
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: not dead, and he we can hope that's around him.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Some people don't want him to die. Some people want
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: him to die, but probably some people don't want him
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: to die, and it would be of course, he can
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: always die. People can die in prison, can commit suicide
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: in prison, as as we know from the example of
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, so that might happen to him too, which
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: would close the case. But apart from that, I don't know.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I think we should we should keep this case in
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: mind because of course it's not as important as a
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Kennedy assassination, which is in my view extremely important. I
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: think because the reason I got interested in Charlie Kirk
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: assassination because I'm so interested in the case of Kennedy,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: because I think if Americans understand what Israel is doing,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the level of control they have over America and the
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: kind of control, the kind of mafia you know, activity
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: they have in America being able to kill anybody, you know,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: whom they feel is threatening their intro is extremely important
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: for this kind of truth to emerge. And we have
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: to connect all those dots. So we have to connect
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk who with Kennedy. So there is a pattern there.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: And the Kennedy assassination for me, is the major event
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: that transformed America into Israel's into an instrument of Israel.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Lyndon Johnson for me, because Kennedy was the Kennedy assassination,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I always say, we have to understand the purpose was
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: not just to take out Kennedy. The purpose was to
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: bring Linda Johnson in and from Lyndon Johnson, this was
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: the beginning of everything, you know. It was the beginning
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: of Israel getting the nuclear armament with implicit blessing from
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: the White House, the beginning of a pack being able
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: to you know, to do whatever they want, and the
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: beginning of America's supporting Israel unconditionally and and you know,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: having a Middle East policy completely in favor of Israel.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: This was the beginning.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: So what was JFK's position on Israel.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Well, JFK's position on Israel is today. It was very
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: it was not clear when Kennedy died. People did not
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: know about JFK's position on the Middle East, on Israel.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: You know, it was not because, and as was probably
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: his mistake, he didn't make it public enough, so people
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: had no idea that Israel could have had an interest
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: in Kennedy's assassination. But then in the nineties, in the
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: early nineteen nineties, a lot of things came out, especially
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: the conflict between John Kennedy and David Bengurion over the
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: determination of Israel to get the nuclear bomb. We know
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: today this was a very intense struggle, and Kennedy was
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: absolutely against, absolutely determined to prevent Israel from getting a
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: nuclear bomb because Kennedy's major purpose in life, you know,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: as a president, was to de escalate the nuclear armament
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: and to abolish to abolish nuclear arms. He had talked
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: this was a republic actually, this part of it. But
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: what was not public is that his biggest problem in
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: that process of trying to initiate a denuclearization of the
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: world and initiating limited treaties with screw Chief. You know,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: there was he had engaged diplomatic exchange with screw Chief
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: on that and he had been the United Nations to
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: work on that, but people didn't know that his biggest
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: problem was Israel. So also we know today and that's
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: a word that Jim D. Eugenio, who is one of
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: the major JFK researcher, has worked on and produced very
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: very insightful analysis of j. Jief K's foreign policy. You know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: he showed that JFK was very very much pro Arab,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: pro Nasair. He was a admyer of Nasser, so he
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: was an even from long before becoming president, he was
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: an anti colonialist. He had supported the independence of Algeria,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: so he supported the nationalist movement, the Arab nationalist movement,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: which were Israel's nightmare. So you know, for all these
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: different and then his brother as Attorney General, had initiated
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: a process to force Apack which was not named a
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: pack at the time, it was the American Zionist Council
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: to register as a foreign agent. So he was very
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: much on different front trying to limit the influence of
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Israel and to keep a balance policy, even basically a
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: pro Arab policy in the Middle East. And that of course,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: if we think about JFK's vision for the Middle East,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: we have to also understand this comes from his father's
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: A few moments later.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: You dropped off when you were talking about JFK.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, I was talking about JFK's position in
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: the world Israel, right, So I mentioned that JFK was
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: trying determined to prevent Israel from getting the nuclear bomb.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: And also his brother was trying to force a PAC
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: or the American Zionist Council, which was the kind of
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: father of a mother organization of APAC, to register us
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: for an agent, which was which if we understand the
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: power of the pack today, we have really very much
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: diminished Israel's ability to control American politics. And generally speaking,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Kennedy was was very much a support of Naser. Nasa
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: died I think in sixty nine or something, they would
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: never have been a six day war like there was
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: in sixty seven under Kennedy's watch, you know, that was
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: that was that was Linda Johnson's gift to Israel and
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: in general, if I when I started to study Kennedy,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I started to also be interested in the family, in
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: the Kennedy family, and then to be interested in the father.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: And I understood that Kennedy's vision of the world and
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: vision of Israel was very much in line with and
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Kennedy's vision of war. Kennedy's obsession with preventing war was
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: very much coming from his father. His father has the
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: reputation of having been part of the appeasers who didn't
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: want to avoid World War Two at any cost, you know,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: at the cost of trying to compromise with Hitler. So
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: he was a friend of Chamberlain. Anyway, we don't need
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: to get in it to that too much, but I
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: think we have. The interesting thing about Kennedy is that
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: it connects with a long history, you know, to understand Kennedy,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: to go back to the father and to the World
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: War Two, and because Kennedy John Kennedy, he was I
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: think a very deep person. He was not he was
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: an intellectual, you know, he was not a politician by vocation.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: He just found himself there because he's brother was killed
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: in the war. So his father kind of put the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: you know, the destiny of becoming president on his shoulders. Originally,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: the father had had ambition to become president, but after
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: World War Two he was too compromised with Chamberlain, so
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: he retired and dedicated his life to support his son's
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: political career. But that you know, that's John Kennedy is
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: a really fascinating figure, you know, from the more the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: more people understand the connection between I mean, the case
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: against Israel in the Kennedy assassination, and that's becoming really big.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: When I started to talk to work on that ten
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: years ago, not so many people knew about the Demonni affair,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: and not so many people that an understanding of all
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: the elements incriminating Israel in the Kennedy assassination. But now
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of people. That's one of the reasons why
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: people suspected Israel instantly when Charlie Kirk was killed is
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: because also a lot of people made the connection with
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Kennedy today.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: When I asked earlier what now, I was also wondering
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: about turning Point USA.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I haven't followed what's become a turning Point USA,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: But it looks like it has turned into a big circus,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: you know, to promote this Christian Zionist a gender it has,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: it seems to I haven't really followed, but my impression
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: it has become ridiculously, ridiculously pro Israel, you know, and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: it's become exactly what eventually called Christianity. I hesitate to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: say Christianity because you know, of course not all Christians
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: are in this line, but American Christianity is so overwhelming
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: overwhelmingly controlled by Israel, overwhelmingly finance, you know, and tp
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: USA was really a very good example of that. You know,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: they can put so much money into that kind of
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: organization because because it's a Christian organization, and all the
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: money they put in there is to make sure this
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: is a pro Israel Christian organization. So you know, they
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: got rid of Charlie Kirk, so now they have what
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: they wanted, you know, except there is no Charlie Kirk.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: And they put this kind of brilliant, brilliant holy hand
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: guy to replace Charlie Kirk. But he looks so fake
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: and so gay, and I don't know how many people
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: are you know, interested in that. It looks so fake.
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