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- 0:00John, we're back Monday morning after a pretty crazy week in Bitcoin.
- 0:06I mean, we had our first recording seven days ago, and between then and now, the price of Bitcoin
- 0:12dipped, tipped, tipped into the 50s, the high 50s there, 59, 58.
- 0:17We're second on Thursday, I believe, has since recovered.
- 0:21Currently trying to break past through a 70,000 and stay above there.
- 0:26It's been drifting up and down.
- 0:29Long-winded introduction to basically say that people are scared.
- 0:34And you took some time to write a newsletter that was published on Saturday to really get people back to the fundamentals.
- 0:40Price is what you pay.
- 0:42Value is what you come for.
- 0:43Why do you feel compelled to write that this week?
- 0:45I mean, I feel like the only all the time, like regardless of what's happening in the market with any asset that you own, what you should be focusing on is the underlying reality of the thing it is that you own and what its prospects are, whether it's a cash flowing asset like equity in a business or a commodity and playing some sort of demand cycle or a monetary good like gold or like Bitcoin.
- 1:12And you should always be focusing on the fundamental story, like why you're there in the first place. Right. And I think that's even more true. And it's most true when the fear and greed index goes to four, which it did this week. So like literally lower, lower than the COVID wick, you know, when everyone thought the world was literally ending lower than FTX. Right. And, you know, everyone constructs those indicators differently. And they're only of somewhat limited value. But I think it's still indicative, you know, are the RSI this week on Bitcoin.
- 1:42went the lowest it's basically ever gone. That was the lead chart for the timestamp this week.
- 1:49But I made the subtitle of the newsletter this week. I didn't hear Nobel quoting philosopher
- 1:56Randy Marsh, who I think puts you in the mindset you need to be in when you're getting punched in
- 2:01the mouth on price of anything that you own. And the only solution to manage the emotions and to
- 2:09not make rash decisions and to keep yourself level-headed is to re-evaluate your thesis,
- 2:17ask yourself if anything's changed, ask yourself why you're there in the first place.
- 2:22And certainly there are times when the market's giving you new information, the markets don't
- 2:27think something everyone wants to get out because something has fundamentally changed
- 2:30and you need to re-evaluate that information in your thesis. A lot of the time, that's not the
- 2:35case. And so I think it's important to follow Buffett's advice, which is where that quote
- 2:42comes from. Price is what you pay, value is what you get. Buffett, by way of Ben Graham,
- 2:47and I know he's not a favorite among Bitcoiners, but if you read his shareholder letters over the
- 2:53years, you'll find that he's spiritually a Bitcoiner, even if he didn't fully understand
- 2:57what was going on with Bitcoin. But here he gives great advice that I think all Bitcoin
- 3:02holders need to take to heart. Evaluate the fundamentals in situations like this, in weeks
- 3:08like this, and don't tap out until you hear the bell. And I don't think we've even come close to
- 3:12hearing the bell here. No, it was a bit poetic, ironic, maybe not ironic. It was poetic because
- 3:19as this price was dumping Thursday over the course of the week, over the course of the last month and
- 3:24a half, really, I've been talking about it on RHR. I think I mentioned it last week, and this is a
- 3:30good segue into the next chart we'll pull up but me personally i've been playing with open claw for
- 3:36the last three weeks and have been pushing my agent to the limits to see when i'm trying still
- 3:42trying to map the territory of what's possible with these agents now and one of the things i did
- 3:47over the course of the last 10 days was get my agent to spin up a phoenix d server so a bitcoin
- 3:53wallet a lightning network server and begin signing into websites using lnurl auth which is
- 4:01for those who are unaware it's basically an authentication sign-in flow where instead of
- 4:06putting an email and a password you basically use the private key in your lightning network server
- 4:10to sign into a website and that is your identity and so my agent signing into websites with its
- 4:16private key that it controls. And going back to price versus value, like it is a confirmation of
- 4:24something that we've been talking about. Me and you personally, it's part of our thesis at 1031
- 4:29is that Bitcoin is native internet money. And as AI becomes more prominent and agents begin
- 4:36doing more things, they're going to need money to do things. And the ease with which my agent was
- 4:42able to spin up a Phoenix D server, use bolts to submarine swap to open up a channel and begin
- 4:48signing into websites and sending Bitcoin to them was astonishing. So as the price was falling,
- 4:54I was being starkly reminded of the fundamental value that exists within Bitcoin and particularly
- 5:00at this intersection with AI, which you want to talk about today. You have this chart that is
- 5:06highlighting the the capex spend of these hyperscalers which is exploding this year above
- 5:12600 billion yeah it's a uh it's a crazy chart in terms of order of magnitude here this is i said in
- 5:19the newsletter but we're now at a point where and this doesn't even include oracle neoclouds
- 5:25core weave etc um you know the hyperscaler complex broadly like the ai data center complex
- 5:32is basically spending like one tarp a year now on, you know, the thing that led to Bitcoin's
- 5:39creation in the first place, the bailout of the banks, you know, during the financial crisis,
- 5:44we were all just like pearl clushing at the time that, you know, we were spending $800 billion
- 5:49on this bailout packages. The numbers were so high, you couldn't even imagine it, you couldn't
- 5:55conceive of it. And now we're just kind of casually, you know, doing that in a year for
- 5:58data centers, right? And granted, yeah, you know, it's, it's not a constant dollar comparison,
- 6:03whatever. Like, I think it just goes to show you how, how much the monetary base has expanded and
- 6:08how much our kind of expectation of, you know, what a dollar buys has changed. But this, these
- 6:12are huge numbers. And I think there are, this chart says a lot about a lot of different things
- 6:18that are going on in the market right now, both in and out of Bitcoin. I think number one is what
- 6:25you, what you first said is on the most fundamental level for Bitcoin. Like what this chart tells you
- 6:30is like the smartest and most well-capitalized and most, shall we say, singularly oriented people
- 6:40in the world, in the world of tech are going to bring about their version of like digital God or
- 6:47die trying. We can debate whether that's a good thing for society. I think there are a lot of
- 6:53implications we get into of that. But this train is not slowing down. I think all the
- 6:57commentary on the earnings reports over the last two weeks which is where the these estimates come from all companies updated their CapEx estimates for the year on those calls The commentary is like I think Sundar at Google has literally said we would rather go bankrupt than lose this race
- 7:13They're all thinking that way. And you can see in, Marty, what you're talking about with
- 7:18progress on the agentic side in the last couple of weeks, that that's just scratching the surface
- 7:25of like what's going to come as long as scaling laws hold, which is basically, you know, the idea
- 7:30that very simply, and there's a much more technical kind of way to think about it, but like you are
- 7:34getting more output relative to the input of computation and training and GPUs and power that
- 7:40you're throwing at these things. Right. So as long as this curve continues to produce positive ROIC
- 7:46or positive returns on, you know, positive intelligence returns for, for the spend,
- 7:51It's just going to keep going up. And clearly the plan among all these companies supported also by the Trump administration with the running hot agenda is this line just needs to keep going up. And that's going to have implications for all these agents that people are playing with in the last few weeks, just getting more and more capable, again, assuming scaling loss can need to hold.
- 8:12and you know that's the first kind of fundamental indicator to me about where bitcoin's going right
- 8:19like you often hear people boom that bitcoin doesn't have a use case it's not being used as
- 8:25money well you're starting to see you're starting we can talk about other ways that in the real world
- 8:30you're starting to see it uses money but we've got a growing army of bots out there now that
- 8:35pretty quickly discovered with some human prompting it may be somewhat autonomously maybe somewhat
- 8:40not whatever, but discovered how to use their native money and are using it. Right. And that's,
- 8:47this chart tells you like that kind of thing, that kind of trend is only is just we're in the
- 8:52warmups, right. Of, of the nine inning ball game. Like that's just starting. Um, and I think we're
- 8:57going to see a lot more of it over the coming year, two years, et cetera. So that is fundamentally
- 9:02like a positive tailwind for the most widely accepted, largest network effect, most robust
- 9:08internet native money. I just full stop. The other piece that I think is worth highlighting here is
- 9:15there are a couple of things, other things we can say. One other thing I'll say before pausing is
- 9:19there are implications to that on employment, right? On white collar employment. And this is
- 9:26one of the things that I was alluding to a second ago, like the, the many potential social near-term
- 9:33downsides of the implications of this chart. You know, Dario at Anthropic has reiterated multiple
- 9:38times in the last few months that AI or AGI or however you want to define it over the next couple
- 9:45of years, we'll be able to do an increasingly percentage of white collar work autonomously.
- 9:50There's some book talking there because there's massive capital required for all this stuff. So he
- 9:55and Jensen and all these guys are incentivized to overplay it and to, you know, talk it up
- 10:01aggressively. But, you know, so maybe it's not six months when everyone gets disrupted,
- 10:05but is it like two years? Is it three years? Like it, you know, I don't think it's 10 years.
- 10:11I don't think it's 20 years, assuming again, scaling laws hold, assuming this spending
- 10:15continues, et cetera. And so what does that do to the run at hot agenda? What does that do to
- 10:21the federal budget, which is already like historically constrained? We talked about
- 10:25last week, you know, non-discretionary spend relative to tax receipts already running up
- 10:30right at a hundred percent with fairly low unemployment. If you get like a couple additional
- 10:35percentage points of unemployment, even it due to kind of white collar workforce disruption,
- 10:40what does that do to automatic stabilizers in the budget? What does that do to everyone's
- 10:44mortgage payments, everyone's car payments, the household debt, et cetera. You quit. This chart
- 10:50tells you like you could quickly get into a situation where, yeah, you get a ton of productivity.
- 10:55You get a ton of like nominal GDP going up, but potentially at the cost of meaningful employment disruption, which is something we typically haven't seen historically.
- 11:04Right. At least at any kind of like accelerated pace, like what would be happening here.
- 11:07So the other implication of this chart for Bitcoin is the for this to for all of this agenda to hold together and for all of us to work and for all of these projects to kind of bear fruit in the way that people are thinking and hoping, you know, they're probably unless it all goes at exactly the right pace.
- 11:25there's probably some implication for employment and unemployment benefits and the need to finance
- 11:33those without blowing up the whole system. So I'll pause there, but I think those are some key
- 11:37things that we can take away from this chart as it relates to what's fundamentally happening in
- 11:41the world as price goes against us. Yeah. I mean, we've been talking about it. I mean,
- 11:48it's been very clear with the Trump administration, Trump too. Scott Besson came in before he came in,
- 11:54famous Manhattan Institute interview where he says there's going to be a new monetary order,
- 11:59there's going to be reordering. I want to be a part of it. And it seems like that is certainly
- 12:03in play with this Don Rowe doctrine of the national security strategy that was laid out at the end of
- 12:10last year. And then you couple that with, it has become very clear as well that this AI race is
- 12:16existential for the long-term dominance of the United States, at least it's viewed that way.
- 12:22I think it's pretty clear that whoever wins this race is going to have a lot of leverage in the brave new world that we're venturing into.
- 12:31And to your point, it's going to have the win at all cost is going to come with some negative externalities in the form of job disruption.
- 12:40And they're going to have to print money.
- 12:42And there's a very strong case to be made that the fundamental value that exists in scarce assets, the scarce assets that in the world that is Bitcoin is not priced in yet.
- 12:55And like you said, we're warming up before the game is even started.
- 13:00And it's going to be very interesting what happens.
- 13:04And there's a ton of people out there thinking that we're going back into a bear market.
- 13:09Four-year cycles are still intact as it pertains to Bitcoin's price movements.
- 13:14And I think I would just take this information in mind when thinking about where Bitcoin could go from here.
- 13:21But one thing, I think there's other knock-on implications that are more direct to Bitcoin that we can see.
- 13:27You've got a chart here of hash rate.
- 13:29I think this is actually an important chart to bring up because there's a lot of misinformation floating around about mining as an industry right now and what's happening, what's causing this collapse, not collapse, but a very strong correction in hashrate.
- 13:44I think we had our 12th largest downward difficulty adjustment ever at the end of last week.
- 13:50And it was this largest downward adjustment since the Chinese mining ban in 2021.
- 13:56that adjustment was 28 last week adjustment for Bitcoin was let me pull it up here 11 so pretty pretty massive downward difficulty adjustment you have people saying that with the price down like all miners are unprofitable the quantum fud uh miners
- 14:16are diversifying away from bitcoin money because they're worried about quantum risk they're all
- 14:21going to ai quantum risk i don't think many bitcoin miners really thinking that way i think there is
- 14:26certainly increased competition from ai and an appeal to diversify into ai data center infrastructure
- 14:35because of how profitable it is the chart we just looked at the hyperscaler is going to be throwing
- 14:39a ton of money at scaling this stuff and so with that it's going to come sort of they don't care
- 14:46about energy prices they'll pay whatever it takes but i think i'll start with debunking one of the
- 14:52The lines of FUD that's been out there, which is all miners are unprofitable.
- 14:56I'm sure many of you have seen the stat that the average cost or the cost to mine a Bitcoin.
- 15:02There's a stat going out there like it cost $100,000 to mine a Bitcoin.
- 15:07And obviously, the price is at $69,000 right now.
- 15:11So all miners are unprofitable.
- 15:13And this is just completely idiotic because each individual miner is an individual actor
- 15:18with their own sort of setup, their own electricity price, their own hardware that they bought
- 15:24at a certain price.
- 15:25And I would just say that not every miner is unprofitable.
- 15:29There are miners out there that are using electricity that they're getting for very
- 15:33cheap.
- 15:34For example, I've got personal miners on a stranded natural gas well, and the cost of
- 15:39that electricity is probably around one cent per kilowatt hour.
- 15:43So it's not 13 cents per kilowatt hour, which is the stat that you'll see floating around is that all mine will take the average residential or industrial cost per kilowatt hour of electricity and just basically paste that on Bitcoin miners and say, look, this is how much it costs to mine a Bitcoin.
- 16:00That's not true.
- 16:01There are miners out there with very low cost of energy, very high performance machines.
- 16:06And there are plenty of miners out there that even at $69,000 are plenty profitable.
- 16:12And now that we've had a 11.15% downward difficulty adjustment, it's easier to mine.
- 16:18So their revenue in stats should be going up after this, despite where the price is.
- 16:25So I'll end it there, my little rant and pass it to you.
- 16:30Any comments on this chart?
- 16:31Yeah, I think it's all great.
- 16:33The other piece that I would throw out is just so people are aware, because I've seen, I saw a lot of posts about it this week, you know, looking at this recent drop.
- 16:40Again, without usually the charts presented on like a six month basis or maybe a one year basis.
- 16:45So not really zooming out and saying, oh, look at how massive the drop is.
- 16:48You know, it started in earnest with the crazy winter storm a couple weeks ago, which we talked about last week on the show.
- 16:55So there's an element of major drop off that you would kind of expect, especially in a more like sideways or down price environment.
- 17:03So that's a big piece of it.
- 17:04I think the idea that everyone suddenly decided that quantum is an existential risk and that they need to turn their miners off or they only just now realize they should be, quote unquote, pivot into AI is, I think, pretty, pretty suspect.
- 17:16And I think that's just illustrated by like zooming out on the chart like we have here.
- 17:20Right. Like for the last couple of years, you know, the data center story has been very much in play.
- 17:25You've seen many, many public trader miners moving to AI capacity using their rack space for that kind of a hybrid strategy.
- 17:35And yet hash rate has just continued to climb higher and higher and higher.
- 17:38This is a crazy chart.
- 17:40And this is the first real meaningful pullback that we've had in hash rate since the China mining ban, which now you can barely kind of even see on this chart.
- 17:50Right. So this is a fundamental KPI as we think about kind of values or prices, what you pay,
- 17:56values, what you get. Here's a fundamental KPI that I think is worth paying attention to
- 18:00are more and more real world resources, physical world resources over a reasonable amount of time
- 18:07being applied to Bitcoin mining by some set of actors. Right. And I think this chart tells you
- 18:14like the answer is just absolutely resoundingly. Yes. You know, we shouldn't expect if we continue
- 18:19to to range here or dump here you know should we expect some ongoing consolidation or decline in
- 18:24in this chart yeah probably that would likely happen but this is this is telling you as we
- 18:30think about the rotation that is now just starting to be like popularly discussed in mainstream
- 18:38financial press of you know the rotation from bits to atoms right you're seeing software getting
- 18:44killed unfortunately bitcoin's kind of traded basically like igv like a software stock like
- 18:49like the software ETF over the last few weeks or months, you're seeing software get killed and
- 18:54anything that is kind of capital light or thought of as immaterial or leveraged to the world of bits,
- 19:01the world of the ones and zeros and just pure data is kind of getting sold hard on the various
- 19:07theses about running it hot and reshoring and needing to aggressively build out physical
- 19:13infrastructure again and not being able to rely on just-in-time supply chains that are mostly
- 19:17depending on China, right? This chart should be a reminder to everyone that Bitcoin is effectively
- 19:22the one system in the world that we've ever invented that on a decentralized basis control,
- 19:28why no one dynamically links bits to atoms, right? There's a whole massive, like unbelievably large
- 19:36amount of infrastructure that has been deployed to make this chart happen and to make Bitcoin run
- 19:42as it does. It adjusts dynamically based on a whole host of market forces, again, without any
- 19:49central coordinator. And the long-term trend on it is very, very clear. There's clear utility to
- 19:55Bitcoin mining, even, and probably most especially to actors that are not primarily profit-oriented
- 20:00or who use it more as a tool or an input than a standalone business. That could be an HPC data
- 20:07center, that could be a sovereign, that could be an oil and gas company, that could be a grid
- 20:11operator using it for load balancing that it can uniquely do that nothing else can do.
- 20:16And so again, for the people who are watching Bitcoin's price decline and saying, well,
- 20:21obviously this was this, you know, it's going to zero.
- 20:23It doesn't have a use case.
- 20:23It's $69,000 too high.
- 20:26I think this chart is a good reminder on a long-term basis of one of the most interesting
- 20:32and valuable elements of what Bitcoin is and why anyone's selling it on a bits to atoms
- 20:38rotation thesis is really missing the force for the trees on this yeah and i'm just going to pull
- 20:45up in more dynamic chart i'm going to pull up mempool.space 1031 portfolio company but see the
- 20:52same chart but with the difficulty adjustment going back to the value of bitcoin and the protocol
- 20:58itself and how it operates you had the hash rate so you had this chart but i'm just going to overlay
- 21:02difficulty which reacts to the amount of hash rate on the work on the network at any given point in time which the network basically guesstimates that by looking at the the time it takes to produce a block
- 21:14every 2016 blocks and i think to your point the value this connection of the world of bits and
- 21:21atoms via proof of work in bitcoin is is something that many people do not appreciate fully yet and
- 21:29when we're talking about the price falling,
- 21:32hash rate coming off,
- 21:33and people wondering,
- 21:35is it profitable to mine Bitcoin?
- 21:37That is the beauty of Bitcoin.
- 21:38Satoshi designed the system in a way
- 21:40where it dynamically adjusts
- 21:42based off of the amount of compute
- 21:45dedicated to the network at any given point in time.
- 21:47And so as difficulty, as the price goes down,
- 21:50as hash rate comes off,
- 21:52the network knows, like, okay,
- 21:53it seems like people aren't incentivized
- 21:56to mine as much right now
- 21:57because blocks are coming in.
- 21:59longer than 10 minutes on average. And so I need to adjust. The protocol needs to adjust down to
- 22:04make it easier to buy and to incentivize more people to come in and construct and broadcast
- 22:09blocks and keep adding them to the ledger. And there is incredible fundamental value just in that
- 22:15little design aspect of Bitcoin in and of itself. The difficulty adjustment is one of the most
- 22:22important parts of the Bitcoin protocol. It's working as designed. This is exactly what you
- 22:27want to see. So we'll just add that as well. We're talking if the theme of today is price versus
- 22:33value, the difficulty adjustment has a ton of fundamental value that will ensure that the
- 22:39network persists into the future that blocks are being produced and miners are incentivized to
- 22:43produce blocks. I'm trying to keep this a tight 30 minutes. We got five minutes left. What should
- 22:49we end it on? I think the last thing maybe that I would just direct people to, I referenced it in
- 22:53in the newsletter. But if you've never watched Parker Lewis's video, his talk, Bitcoin is not a
- 23:00hedge. I think that would be good to play this week and kind of delve into his points there.
- 23:06When you see the price fall rapidly on market uncertainty or correlations to the NASDAQ or the
- 23:16S&P, when Bitcoin's not acting like a quote unquote safe haven, it's not acting like gold
- 23:21or the 10 year or something, you'll, you'll off, everyone comes out of the woodwork, all the
- 23:25concerned trolls come out of the woodwork to say, you know, see, it's, it's not acting like an
- 23:29inflation hedge, or it's not acting like a debasement hedge, or it's not acting like an
- 23:32uncertainty hedge. Like why would anyone own this? I think it's important to realize that Bitcoin is
- 23:37not a hedge right now. It can become a hedge. It's, we think by doing, you know, but doing what
- 23:42we're doing, owning Bitcoin, trying to help the ecosystem develop, investing behind it, that it
- 23:47can and will become a hedge over time. But despite the crazy gains in market cap that it's made over
- 23:53its life without any marketing department or central force pushing it forward, it's a tiny
- 23:59asset relative to global capital flows. And the vast majority of capital is controlled by,
- 24:07I wrote in the newsletter somewhat sarcastically, septuagenarian central bankers or
- 24:13bulge bracket wealth managers. And those classes of people are just barely beginning to wake up to
- 24:20what Bitcoin even is. A lot of them are still dragging their feet on it. They kind of still
- 24:26think it's going to go away and it'll die. They won't have to worry about it or learn about it.
- 24:30You know, vast majority of the world hadn't heard of Bitcoin 10 years ago. So the idea that
- 24:35anyone, any massive allocator is going to reflexively shift allocations into Bitcoin
- 24:42when things get hairy in the world, when markets get more uncertain, when they're worried about
- 24:47an increasingly multipolar world, increasingly fractured world where globalization is kind of
- 24:52ending or changing. The idea that they're knee-jerk is, let me just up my Bitcoin allocation a few
- 24:58percent to keep the portfolio balanced and to keep myself hedged against tail risks that may be
- 25:04growing is kind of insane, right? We're so, it's a meme, but it's also very true. Like we are so
- 25:10early in the development of what Bitcoin is. Gold has been around thousands of years. The
- 25:17treasury market is obviously quite a bit younger, but also has the backing of trillions of dollars
- 25:21of, you know, US military aggregated capability and force behind it. And, you know, a massive
- 25:28network that's been built up around that. Bitcoin is just so young. And so when you see it fall
- 25:33on market uncertainty, when you see it fall in periods when you thought, because you understand
- 25:39it, you thought it should have been going up, remember that we're not yet in a place where it
- 25:43can meaningfully function as a hedge. The longer it goes without dying, the more converts it wins,
- 25:50right? The more knowledge of its fundamental properties that we've discussed here distributes
- 25:54around society and especially within circles of large capital allocators, the more it will
- 26:01tend to act like a hedge if we're right about what it is and if it continues to operate.
- 26:06And you know, there's the old phrase, somewhat morbid phrase, science progresses one funeral
- 26:09at a time.
- 26:10Like, I think portfolio management also progresses one funeral at a time, right?
- 26:14Or one retirement at a time, maybe less morbidly.
- 26:16The composition of capital allocators is changing.
- 26:20It's going to change, but it changes slowly.
- 26:22And knowledge also among all those different classes and ages of capital allocators has
- 26:27to distribute slowly.
- 26:28So don't be fussed when Bitcoin doesn't do what you think it should do because you deeply understand it and you've read every Bitcoin book and listened to every Bitcoin podcast.
- 26:37Remember that the vast majority of people who have money have never done any of that and they don't really want to still at this point.
- 26:43Right. So just keep that in mind as price action goes against you.
- 26:47I'll end it with a short story to validate this.
- 26:49uh we've got the boys in the new uh catholic montessori school and the school is very good
- 26:57about getting all the parents together so we had our kindergarten parent party on friday and it's
- 27:02always weird for me people are like what do you do i'm like i work in bitcoin and they're like oh
- 27:06what's that mean like and then you try to explain i run a partner in a fund i run a media company
- 27:11like what do you do but one woman just deadpan looked at me and she's like oh you're in fake
- 27:15internet money that's like is that what you do i was like yeah i guess i guess that's what you
- 27:19think I do. But to your point, knowledge has not been distributed evenly amongst the masses and
- 27:25not even a subset of the masses, those who control the wealth of the world. And so your early price
- 27:33is what you pay, value is what you get. There's a ton of value in Bitcoin. I think we just spent
- 27:3830 minutes, we could spend hours diving into the fundamental properties of Bitcoin that give it
- 27:44immense value. But I think this was a good little short rip to highlight some of the areas in which
- 27:50that value is emerging today. Cosign. All of it. All right. We'll be back next week. We're getting
- 27:56good at this. This is nice. I like this. 30 minutes is a good form factor for this. We'll
- 28:00be back next week, freaks.