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Talks to the resplendent David Maskell about his choice of Revelation of the Daleks (2/2) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Louisa. OK, well over to you robotic
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  leaders that No, sorry. Right.
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  OK. Revelation.
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  OK, the great healer has ordered you to listen to this
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  commentary, the Part 2 of Revelation of the Daleks.
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  Back again. Part 2, Revelation Daleks.
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  I'm here with Joe Ford. Who presents it, You know?
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  Is it? Say hello Joe.
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  The Great Healer. Has ordered you dead.
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  And I'm. I'm back again.
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  Oh, we're gonna have that in this episode.
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  There is something you've forgotten to say.
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  What's that? Well, you haven't mentioned the
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  name of the podcast. Come on.
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  A bomb. A great big bomb.
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  I'm just gonna do what do you know what?
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  What's really I'm gonna do My other favorite quote.
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  It's called Answer with a Bump Pen Knife.
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  This lovely podcast. I'm gonna do my other favorite
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  quote, which is how inconvenient.
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  You know, how difficult it is at a good secretary.
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  No, I've been trying. My God, there's so many great
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  lines in this, isn't there? There were, yes, too many good
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  lines. But The thing is, is I would
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  have said to you, after watching Resurrection of the Dialects,
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  Eric's world wasn't capable of writing a good line of dialogue.
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  I mean the dialogue. And that is, you know, your bile
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  would be better directed towards the enemy.
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  David. I'll just, I'll just keep saying
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  stuff. Just, I mean, yeah, that episode
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  would have been about 20 minutes shorter if you attempted.
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  Yeah, I'm convinced. I'm convinced.
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  Now look, you just say you looked.
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  There would be no anecdotes in this story, but I'm hoping
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  there's going to be one or two at least.
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  There's still a few people who haven't mentioned yet.
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  Oh, I know. I just, I feel bad because I'm
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  always just like, Oh my God, this person.
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  Now, let me tell you something, all right, Everybody brings
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  something different to this Okay, like Syhart brings his
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  tales of youth. To every episode.
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  You know, when people come to expect it.
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  Now you drop fabulous anecdotes cuz you got to meet all these
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  amazing people. But I've been in Doctor Who.
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  Well, I've been doing it, you know.
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  Do you know what? Do you know what I realized?
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  So I was born in 1994. First event I ever went to was
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  in 1998, you know. Well, do you know what, Right.
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  When we were watching the documentary on this.
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  Yeah. Mark goes, do you know this
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  documentary was made 20 years after Revelation?
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  I was like, right. He goes, well, now it's nearly
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  40 years after Revelation. God.
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  And I was five when Revelation as all this came out.
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  Way to make it. Well, no.
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  Did you watch it? Was it 85?
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  You didn't watch it live if I ever came out.
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  No, although I have a vivid memory as a child of a red room
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  with like pulsing, and I'm wondering if I did catch the
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  bits with the brains. I don't know what you're
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  thinking about. Anything's possible.
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  No. Oh my gosh, Time of the runny.
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  Could have been time of the runny, I'll tell you.
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  Oh yeah, yeah. Red room.
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  Before we even talk about anything the revelation does.
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  I lost my mom a little while ago but so so I love remembering
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  these funny memories where and me and my exhusband.
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  We stayed. She goes, oh sleep in my room.
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  And I was like, oh mom, no, it's fine.
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  We'll you know, we'll skip on the sofa and then she goes, I'll
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  assist. So we go to bed.
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  We put the light on. Only a fucking red bulb in the
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  in the light fin. The whole room's red.
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  No bedroom backed on to the back alley outside.
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  I'm like, Oh my God, she's been sitting in the window touting
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  for business with a red line on. Oh, she was a kinky male.
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  Be surprised. Anyway, sorry, do you think do
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  you think Tasabeka does that on Tranquil Repose to get a bit of
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  extra cash? Poor Tasabeka.
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  Is she the most strange character?
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  Is she? Is she 20 for a hand jump?
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  Oh, no. Possibly.
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  Possibly. Like, I feel as if everyone's
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  out against her. Even the Doctor patronizes her a
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  bit. You've seen the performance.
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  I like the bit where she goes. What's it got to do with you?
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  Can I tell you something that I read in a review about
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  Revelation of Life? I actually think is a really
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  savvy critique. And that is they wrote that the
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  first episode is all world building.
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  Yeah, and not a lot of plot. It's just building up all the
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  characters in the world and the 2nd episode.
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  Is basically the closest the classic series came to a 45
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  minute new series episode. The Doctor joins at the
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  beginning of the of the episode, so that's when he joins the plot
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  and then it's sort of furious action all the way to the climax
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  with great sort of performance moments and it's really
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  stylishly dumb. Yeah, I would agree with that.
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  And but I think compared to Love Knew Who and Classic Who, it
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  doesn't. I'm saying this in the first
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  episode, it doesn't drag 45 minutes.
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  It just gets on it. It gets through it and you have
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  all that and you know with a lot of doctors who you know this.
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  With the new series, there's so much put into a 5 minute episode
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  that by the end what that that whereas with this it actually
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  goes along at a pace that is breathable.
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  But at the same time there's a lot of plot.
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  There's a lot of plot. And I, and I do think a lot of
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  the plot is contained to this episode and it's a savvy use of
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  the 45 minute format definitely. And bad things to it.
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  Sorry, I don't know what I'm trying to say.
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  What some great exterminations great.
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  Some great. I am right.
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  I don't know if people know this about me.
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  When someone gets exterminated, I don't want someone putting the
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  hands up in the air and going, I want an Alexis out there, you
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  know? I want someone with the hands up
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  in the air screaming as loudly as they can.
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  And you know, I don't. I don't want destiny.
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  The Daleks Episode Three Woman You Know.
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  Oh, she's just talking. Yeah.
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  Do you know what Mark says He went, Oh my God, Jazz hands.
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  Yeah, she does. She's, you know, whereas I want,
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  I want, you know, I want Alexis sail death, which is a great
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  day. That's a great day.
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  You know, that's. And you know what?
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  It has genuine Because of those sweet scenes between Perry and
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  and the DJ. It has real pathos as well.
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  And it's sad. Like this story has heart.
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  It's it's a twisted kind of heart.
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  And some of the people that die, it's absolutely like, just
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  desserts Joe Bell's death. Where is I think Clive Smith
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  says his toupee falls off. Like the Why is it?
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  He says it's like a shell coming off a clam and exposing, you
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  know, everything that is about this stupid man.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it.
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  I love it. And Hugh Walters does a great
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  death over the top. And that's kind of shot between
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  2 Daleks, isn't it? Yeah, and nothing.
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  Nothing. Talked cars.
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  Yeah, I know. It's just got so great, isn't
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  it, you know? Why, David?
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  Yeah, I mean, what's? This little box, what does it
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  do? It's never going to happen
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  right. But in an alternative reality, I
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  hope that one day I'll get to be in Doctor Who and I'll read in
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  the script David gets exterminate by Dalek and I'm you
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  know, I'm not. I'm going forward exercise if I
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  really you know I'm doing a full script you.
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  Know, you know, I'm going to get in touch.
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  It happens convention people. And I'm going to say can we
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  please put on Revelation of the Daleks on the stage And I'm
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  going to play Tasm Beka. Who do you want to play?
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  The mutant? No.
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  Who would I play? I'd probably want to play with.
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  The DJ or either that or Joe Bell because he plays the best
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  lines. I'm Drew Bell, somebody who's
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  pretty. Shouldn't be all of a fluster.
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  I like pretty things. And you are very pretty.
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  Aren't you very pretty? Oh, it's so creepy.
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  It's so creepy. So cringe.
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  But it's very funny. And after all people have been
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  perving over Perry, you know, he's the worst.
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  Have a great season, Does she? She doesn't have it.
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  Still, it's someone perving her in every story, pretty much.
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  Yeah, well, she's gonna look so gorgeous.
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  Gorgeous. What look shall we perving,
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  Perry? Shall we?
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  Into Episode 2? Yeah, let's do it.
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  The pace is furious, but I'm sure we'll find things to say.
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  Oh, we will. Oh, we definitely will.
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  I can't wait. Do you want to countdown or
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  shall I count them? Or I think did you count for
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  one? I did count for one, so you
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  count. I'll countdown in tats you count
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  for Part 2. 540 God. 321 go sorry.
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  Oh dear, did you ever see? I was knocking.
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  I do like it. I do like it.
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  Sorry, Sorry. What are you going to say?
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  I'd say was it? How great was this?
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  On the big screen it would be a 5.
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  Oh man, Joe, I already knew this was you.
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  Came. Sorry, didn't you?
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  You were there. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I knew this was funny. Everyone was in fits, a laughter
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  watching it. They were.
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  They really were, yeah. I mean, oh, it looked beautiful
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  on big screen. Beautiful.
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  They were laughing more than they were during six episodes of
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  the Sea Devils, that's for sure. Oh God, do you remember even
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  with the Daleks? Geez.
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  Oh, I liked that one. Lovey.
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  I mean, lovey. No, I liked it.
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  But seven episodes in a row? Wow.
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  Oh, here we go with the polystyrene statue.
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  That's right. Eric Sword was very annoyed
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  because J&T insisted that there was a statue in the story, and
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  Eric Sword was like a vice around my fucking neck.
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  We didn't say fucking because I had to put it in the story.
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  I didn't know that. Yeah, well, I didn't know that.
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  Yeah, it's it. Is it Carl, man?
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  Yeah. That's not explained, is it?
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  Why? Because it's not his blood, is
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  it? It's blood from the statue.
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  But maybe it's a stone's blood and that'll be a big finish way.
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  I think it's just because Davros is a bit sick, you know?
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  Yeah, probably. Well, he's fine.
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  He's finally all hilarious as he's watching.
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  Yeah, yeah, this, this. See, even like this stuff, this
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  looks really great. But all kind of statues around
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  in the big building, like, yeah, it's really, really spectacular.
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  He knows that. Look at that in the background
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  with all the skulls. Did you see that?
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Get. This guy with all the cheese.
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  David, are you some kind of weirdo?
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  Always. Always.
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  I mean, I love it. I love this story today.
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  Yeah, this isn't. I know I've said this before,
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  but this is another story I would love, but like to be in a
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  story like this, where A, you get the dialects, B, you get a
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  fantastic script, you get some pretty great lines.
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  I mean, yeah, well, don't you see people in the building
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  there? It's a.
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  RBM building. Just going about their business?
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  Yeah, probably. You probably weren't even
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  allowed to film, though. You know, we barely talked about
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  Davros. And no, we haven't talked about
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  Davros in the tank. You're on Twitter.
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  No. Now it's scary.
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  And this is interesting because now Natasha and Gregory are kind
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  of out of the story. Now that's them kind of dancer.
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  That is very irritable, although they're sort of like.
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  They're in the cell with the Doctor, aren't they?
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  And then he says, right, I'm going to leave you to destroy
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  the Incubators. So they've kind of got a
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  function, but then they get killed by a Dalek in typical
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  areas of war fashion. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.
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  He doesn't quite know how to get rid of characters, which is a
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  shame. Look at that.
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  Look at how vast that looks. That's a beautiful.
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  Entrance to trunk or repose, although that that bit we've
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  just seen, I've stayed in many convention hotels that look like
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  that. Yeah, me too.
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  But you notice the camera swoops in and follows like it just has
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  a way of visualizing. May I help you?
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  Because Graham Harper didn't think this was a bad
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  performance, did he? That's, I think that's one of
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  the things he says on the commentary.
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  He's he's a bit like, oh, I don't see.
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  I thought she was quite good. You're right on so many things.
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  Do you know what else I think is good?
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  I really like Perry's. I've called her Sherry and Kerry
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  now. I really like Perry's costume in
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  Cherie Blair. Yeah, that that's, yeah.
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  It's the most costume, yeah. David, it's a sexy computer.
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  This stupid hard kiss and what you'll?
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  Wear. I mean, that's a It's a nice
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  touch though, isn't it? That's sexy computer voice.
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  Yeah, although I was saying this, no, my friend Harrison,
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  who has done one of these, end of time we're currently going
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  through because he's never seen it.
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  And I said, and this is so true in Doctor Who, why is it always
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  a woman voice? Why is it always a sexy woman
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  voice when it's like an Oracle or something?
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  Because we had Underworld, where there's a sexy Oracle that the
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  word Planet has got a sexy female voice that's, you know,
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  we'd love a sexy female voice too.
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  We do. And you're right, there's not so
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  many sexy. Well, no, because what would
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  happen is you get James Breed doing it or something like that,
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  wouldn't you? You know?
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  But what? Lord?
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  It would be a voice like that. Yeah, that's true.
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  Oh my God. This this kills me.
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  You can't even press a button properly.
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  Sorry. You can also access our
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  personalized service, This is the DJ.
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  I think you're from. Yeah.
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  OK, I think it's it's a really underrated performance.
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  It's Alexis. He's brilliant in it.
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  Boy, he wears lots of different hats, doesn't he?
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  He loves to go to this. This location as well, William
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  got mentioned William Corn as well, particularly these two.
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  I mean nothing. Again, they're pretty doing them
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  together. The sort of pickish, you know,
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  side of boss stock and you know the brand.
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  If you if you skip back to the, if you skip back to the late
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  70s, I think this character would be really overplayed in
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  sort of the late Williams era. But he's so understated William
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  Gord that you believe character and he's kind of got intensity
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  about him and he's got funny lines and I will say it kind of
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  someone else was saying it's so interesting casting someone like
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  William Born in this role because then he was known for
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  doing rather rubbish sitcoms wasn't he like he was he was in
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  a lot of those like rather rubbish 1870s.
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  So then cast him in Doctor Who where he's playing the
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  mercenary. It's it's a really interesting
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  choice casting and again a bit of Lexisel, I mean he was known
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  for the young ones and all the alternatives comedy.
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  So it's an interesting choice to cast him as a DJ.
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  Well, clearly Eric's award was fairly obsessed with the
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  performance because he went on to do the Orsini comic books,
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  didn't he? Yes, he did.
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  Yeah, he's still doing, I think, isn't he?
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  Still. But I've not.
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  I've not read. Do you know if this was one
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  particularly dreary sitcom? He was in that.
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  But when I was younger, I absolutely loved it.
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  I went back and watched it recently.
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  It's really terrible. It's William Gordon, Penelope
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  Keith in Next of Kin. I've seen the DVD come that and
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  it doesn't look dreadful, you and Mark seemed to like.
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  We watch a lot. We watch a lot of bad telly.
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  Yeah, I can tell. But yeah, no, it's a really
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  interesting choice of cast, really.
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  And look, things like that. I guess you've just seen it
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  there. The shots, he doesn't shoot the
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  dialect's head on, he shoots them going past.
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  Or there was a bit in the first episode where nice talk came
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  into view. He just, he does it so
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  differently for the directors who I mean, I would say Matthew
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  Robinson directed them quite well in Resurrection and but
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  especially in the 70s there was a lot of like the camera there.
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  They walked across the set like you know they look a bit
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  battered. It feels like now they
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  especially Graham has made them a bit more terrifying, bit more
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  scary. They were quite lucky, all
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  three, eight. The Darlings did really well in
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  the 80s. We had Matthew Robinson, Graham
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  and Andrew Morgan and they all did a brilliant job of bringing
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  them to life and and I think they sort of got better with
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  each subsequent story. Definitely, definitely.
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  I love the color of them in this as well.
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  I love the white sexiest. I was going to have a Dalek.
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  It would be an Imperial Dalek. Would it?
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  I always said I'd go for a remembrance 1.
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  Oh no, hang on. That's the right one, isn't it?
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  Is that Imperial? I just said the Renegades.
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  The Dark Ones are the Renegades. No, I'd want the.
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  I want the golden white ones deal about the Imperial so.
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  I'd have the It's just a bit where he goes.
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  I would rather have your money. And here we go.
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  We're going to have the very Cam line.
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  Oh, can you do it? I'd be ready to, dreadful man,
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  but I was the food supply for the whole she, that is.
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  That is the line she makes whole have about 5 syllables.
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  Oh look, Jenny Thomas is having a bit of trouble just walking in
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  the straight line there. Oh, don't, don't.
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  It's oh, I love this, he goes. Yeah, he is.
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  I'm taking this gentleman to see the great healer.
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  Oh, that should be a contest worth missing.
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  He is funny. I mean, he's a horrible protest
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  creep, but he is. He plays it so well and it's
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  interesting as well because obviously, you know, it's a
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  thing at the time. By the end of the season, was
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  run out of budget. But you don't see it in this
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  tool. There's not.
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  There's not a single set where you go that looks a bit cheap.
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  Well, that looks a bit. You see it in Time Lash, don't
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  you? Which is old.
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  Yeah, Time lash. I mean, it's a bit of carpet in
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  it, but then I think, I don't know.
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  I think maybe Revelation could look as Darf as Time Lash, but
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  there's just been a lot of care lavished on it.
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  Definitely fairly lavish. What's it got to do with you?
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  This is a really, if you watch her watch, just watch her in the
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  scene. Look at the fact that watch she
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  played. It's just so weird.
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  She looks so lost. She's like, what's going on that
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  those golden bumps glow beautifully?
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  I mean now that is, I mean it's unusual color scheme for the
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  dark. Do your golden bump.
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  I'll beg your pardon, Chris. Am I too glow?
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  It depends how well polished they are.
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  Well, I mean, it's very strange here.
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  You know the doctors sent Perry off with a sex pest.
• 23:01
  It's not a great idea, is it? It's not one of his most every
• 23:07
  five days. I met Alexis Cell once as well.
• 23:10
  We're just going to go from around a day.
• 23:12
  And I met him about 3 days. After the London bombings,
• 23:18
  London was completely dead and I don't actually remember much
• 23:20
  about meeting him apart from that I got a photo with him and
• 23:23
  he was signing the DVD of Revelation of the Daleks.
• 23:27
  All I remember and he's got the biggest fucking signature in the
• 23:30
  world. I've never met someone who's got
• 23:33
  such a big signature. My copy, my DVD copy of
• 23:36
  Revelation of the Daleks, The whole thing is taken up by him.
• 23:40
  Putting to David from Alexaell is ridiculous.
• 23:43
  It's embarrassing. Going over to.
• 23:46
  Can you just want someone to put your signature on?
• 23:49
  You know, he's probably had a prestigious career.
• 23:51
  The only other thing I know him from, apart from Doctor Who is
• 23:56
  that song Hello, John got a new mo.
• 23:58
  Ah. Do you remember that song?
• 24:01
  No, I don't. He's going on the street.
• 24:03
  I know John got a new mo and he's pointing at things like
• 24:06
  that. This is balsa wood.
• 24:08
  I mean, it's just him making up the song as he goes a lot.
• 24:11
  It's terrible. I saw him.
• 24:14
  Recently an episode of Casualty pops up in an episode of Yeah,
• 24:20
  well, he proves this scene. He's capable of giving a good
• 24:23
  performance. Do you know, I was going to say
• 24:26
  Nicola Bryant shows her comedy chops at the beginning of that
• 24:29
  in a bit with Joe Bell. Her timing is excellent.
• 24:33
  Then she really shows her acting chops in her scenes with the DJ
• 24:37
  where she starts going on about being homesick as well.
• 24:39
  I really feel like they missed a treat with Nicola Bryant that
• 24:43
  they could have given her. Yeah, it does that material.
• 24:46
  And I and we were discussing, we started recording mind what's
• 24:50
  not a fair story That shows it doesn't.
• 24:52
  I mean, in God, that shows her range, doesn't it?
• 24:56
  It doesn't feel like at this point they've started properly
• 24:59
  writing for her. Apart from I think that was what
• 25:01
  always slightly annoyed me about sixth Harry was they were always
• 25:05
  quite windy. Whereas I feel like this is the
• 25:08
  first story that actually they're not.
• 25:11
  They're just here to have an adventure.
• 25:12
  I mean, I know they're a bit widget in it, but I know what
• 25:16
  you mean. Very quickly dissipate and then
• 25:19
  and then just working together. And in this whole second
• 25:22
  episode, I don't even have one harsh word to say to each other.
• 25:25
  They're just both trying to solve this problem.
• 25:28
  And then you kick into mysterious planet and you got
• 25:31
  those wonderful scenes down in the subway station where she
• 25:35
  realizes this Earth and yeah, that the good material
• 25:38
  continues. And I will say this is probably
• 25:41
  a really controversial opinion, but I like, yeah, cuz I like
• 25:45
  being at the end of my talk when colleague walks about his death
• 25:49
  or the best bit to acting I've ever seen.
• 25:52
  Oh yeah, yeah. Well, the bit where he's like,
• 25:54
  you killed Perry. Yeah, that bit.
• 25:57
  Anyways. And I have every I'm finding out
• 25:59
  what it is, yeah. Beautiful bit of acting.
• 26:02
  I think he's a great actor and I I I do think there is something
• 26:06
  in. I think he makes the best of
• 26:10
  some shunky material in season 22 and 23.
• 26:14
  But. He's a fabulous actor.
• 26:15
  He's a fabulous but not only does he do that, but when he's
• 26:19
  given good material and there's good material as well, he shines
• 26:23
  so bright. He's.
• 26:26
  I mean, I think he is the most underrated actor for sure.
• 26:31
  And and you know, it's a bit predictable to say his
• 26:34
  performance is on Big Finish, have shown what he can do.
• 26:38
  But I'll just say go what? Go listen to the one Doctor, the
• 26:42
  Pirates and Davros. You got one which is an out and
• 26:46
  out comedy, one which is a musical tragedy and one which is
• 26:51
  a drama and you can see his range.
• 26:54
  Absolutely. Just going to put it say we've
• 26:58
  got our first death coming and as I say, I love an
• 27:01
  extermination and we've got to see what more could you want
• 27:04
  from someone? Yeah, well, and the way
• 27:09
  longingly, it just says it says volumes, doesn't it?
• 27:14
  And here we go. It's my favorite line, and the
• 27:16
  whole thing just got to keep quiet, go on.
• 27:21
  Difficult it is, to get a good second.
• 27:29
  Ain't a lot, no. But no, you're absolutely right.
• 27:31
  And I think that's what I was saying earlier about I think
• 27:34
  he's such a great ambassador for the show.
• 27:36
  You know, he's he's always been there when the show was off
• 27:39
  there. You know, he's, I know he goes
• 27:43
  to a lot of conventions, but he's always there for the fans.
• 27:45
  Like he loves me and him, he's always supported.
• 27:48
  In terms of when Jody Whisker was announced, he was, you know,
• 27:52
  one of the few people that actually was like, yeah, why
• 27:55
  not. I've been saying this for years
• 27:57
  and. Yeah, I I It's hard not to love
• 28:00
  Colin, even though he does wear Crocs and even though I have
• 28:04
  heard those anecdotes 100 times, I literally I can hear him
• 28:07
  because he's a rat concert so he can spin a yarn and he always
• 28:10
  gives me something a little bit different.
• 28:14
  Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 28:17
  Oh God, did you hear? Did you hear what, Joe?
• 28:19
  He goes. You're a very naughty man,
• 28:22
  Target. Naughty Man.
• 28:29
  See, that's really clear though, because the in the background
• 28:32
  and it's just, oh, it's yeah, it's all well and the I still
• 28:35
  get the others. So you're just very aware
• 28:37
  there's something in there, you know, sort of twitching.
• 28:40
  Which again, in a lot of 70, they just they wouldn't move.
• 28:45
  Yeah, would they Look at less of Daleks.
• 28:48
  There's four Daleks and one of them's just like that.
• 28:50
  Just doesn't move. I just.
• 28:53
  I just keep imagining Jenny Thomasson looking at Terry
• 28:56
  Malloy as Davros going, oh that must have been a nasty accident.
• 28:59
  Whatever happened, you know, if she genuinely fall, that's what
• 29:03
  you look like. Do you know what?
• 29:05
  Do you know what it is? I think, well, I've got this new
• 29:09
  term, which is called the Bob Brooklyn School of Acting,
• 29:16
  Right, Which is when, Oh, look, this is the shot.
• 29:18
  Sorry. That's a great shot.
• 29:25
  In school of acting, which is when you have an actor say
• 29:28
  something like that, they haven't got a clue what they're
• 29:30
  saying. By God they're going to say it
• 29:32
  with conviction is what Barbara Flynn didn't flux they were they
• 29:35
  were saying it in that way. She ain't got a clue what she's
• 29:38
  talking about but she is damn well going to say it like she
• 29:40
  knows and it you notice it a lot in other who but unfortunately
• 29:44
  Jenny does not have under that in this story.
• 29:49
  I'm going to make a a small defense.
• 29:51
  I do think she does that thing we just watched.
• 29:55
  I don't think she. I don't think she's terrible in
• 29:57
  that scene. I know you think I'm mad.
• 30:00
  I do. I think you like Beryl.
• 30:02
  Reed's a great example. She ain't got a clue.
• 30:05
  She talked about, but she. I'm not going to say it like she
• 30:07
  knows what she's talking about. Joan Sims is another one.
• 30:10
  I mean, Joan Sims, OK, It's terrible.
• 30:12
  You know she's going to say those lines and you know.
• 30:17
  Sound like she knows what she and you.
• 30:19
  You do get it. You do get.
• 30:20
  That's why I call it the Barbara Flynn School of you know, it's
• 30:24
  the ultimate example of that, don't you?
• 30:26
  Ultimate example of the Barbara Flynn is Jacqueline Pierce, who
• 30:31
  genuinely says she did Four Seasons of play driven.
• 30:34
  She had didn't have a clue. She had no, no clue about that
• 30:38
  fiction. And yet, she created one of the
• 30:41
  most memorable characters ever. I remember when we watched Flux.
• 30:48
  Remember when we watched Flux together at America?
• 30:51
  And I think I'd turn to you afterwards.
• 30:53
  I mean, what you're talking about.
• 30:55
  Damn well did it. She did it.
• 30:56
  Damn. Well, there was at least five
• 30:59
  men crammed into your bedroom that day, wasn't it?
• 31:02
  Lucky me, eh? Oh, I love this one.
• 31:09
  I love when Colin tries to take him on and it just gets smacked
• 31:13
  to the floor. But then he's like, we're gonna
• 31:14
  ask what you're doing here. No.
• 31:16
  You can ask, but only a fool's going to get an answer.
• 31:19
  Suspect an answer. Oh, here we go.
• 31:24
  This is the two best deaths, I think, in the whole thing.
• 31:27
  He wants you dead. Impossible.
• 31:33
  I'm his most loyal servant. When you can fire with Tarkus,
• 31:43
  who was a joke. What she did The place wouldn't
• 31:52
  function without me. It's already now.
• 31:59
  I know you're lying. I expect you.
• 32:01
  It's tremendous plans for this place.
• 32:03
  You lie frequently as you pick up women.
• 32:07
  Oh, so that's what this is all about?
• 32:12
  Go on, let's do the whole thing. Oh God, I loved you everything.
• 32:18
  I'm talking to you. Oh no, I'm a little bit behind.
• 32:24
  Hang on. I need to subtle.
• 32:28
  OK, you've spent two. 100 pounds alone in this preparation room.
• 32:33
  Somebody as impressionable as you should lavish a little more
• 32:37
  time on the living right instead of fantasizing with debt.
• 32:42
  I could help you do what? Do you honestly think I'd be
• 32:47
  interested in you? I had to pick up the women.
• 32:51
  I would rather run away with my mother than own a horny little
• 32:56
  creep like. You you were cruel.
• 32:59
  But Even so, think like think for a fat boat and it is like
• 33:08
  you me, but my figure is the height of fashion.
• 33:13
  To know. Sorry.
• 33:16
  Oh, come on. Don't you dare stop now.
• 33:19
  Louder. Come on.
• 33:21
  Great healer. Oh, to earn his favor, I have to
• 33:25
  kill you. Get on with your work.
• 33:32
  I hate you to know. Don't know what's really just.
• 33:39
  I don't know if you you probably you probably mentioned it on the
• 33:42
  commentary but it's a juicy book Graham Hoff was saying about he
• 33:44
  wants. I'll just take a There's only
• 33:51
  been one other time when me and the guests have done every
• 33:55
  single line in the scene. And that is.
• 33:57
  Hang on, I'm finished it. Hang on, Why did I do it?
• 34:08
  That's That's awful death, Jenny.
• 34:10
  That's a terrible death. Sorry, the only other scene that
• 34:14
  I've done lying for Lila that with a guest is Romana and
• 34:18
  Souldide in episode four of The Horns of Nymon I.
• 34:21
  Don't know. We did do a couple of paradise,
• 34:23
  I think, didn't we? I think we might have.
• 34:25
  Oh boy, that was so much fun. And Silver Nemesis, what were
• 34:28
  you going to say? Sorry, you're going?
• 34:29
  To make a point then I was going to say Graham Harper, I think
• 34:33
  says on the commentary, he wants to make that more and.
• 34:37
  More dark that see then she said he wanted to see the syringe
• 34:42
  get. It was like, but they said it
• 34:45
  was too much for the television, because he said he was such a
• 34:48
  grotesque and horrible character that he wanted you know, it
• 34:51
  probably to see the syringe go in and the liquid go, but they
• 34:55
  cut it. Which I think it's a shame in a
• 34:56
  way, but then maybe it would have been a bit too much
• 35:00
  possibly. It does seem to him to be quite
• 35:01
  great. I don't know why we're even
• 35:02
  talking now. We might have finished the
• 35:04
  episode now, because that's been dense.
• 35:07
  The toupee falling off just makes that there.
• 35:09
  Flow, yeah. Oh yeah, but you know, we've got
• 35:13
  still to come. This is a highly directional
• 35:16
  ultrasonic beam of rock'n'roll it.
• 35:20
  Kills. It's a bit bloodshed from here
• 35:28
  on it, isn't it? It's like quick succession of
• 35:30
  characters getting killed and it really feels like the plot's
• 35:33
  accelerating as well, like everyone's in danger now, like
• 35:37
  sort of everything's been exposed.
• 35:39
  Everybody, they they he knows, Oh no, we don't know that Davros
• 35:43
  knows that Orsini is there. We still think that Orsini is is
• 35:47
  going to get away with it and that's a brilliant scene when
• 35:51
  you've got the lure of the the tank.
• 35:57
  What's? What's?
• 35:58
  You were just saying it a minute ago?
• 36:00
  You know, it feels like everyone's in danger again.
• 36:04
  Brilliant, a bit direction, brilliant bit of music.
• 36:06
  Because you feel like that they're all in trouble now at
• 36:08
  this point. I mean, even that little shot of
• 36:10
  the Dialects on the screen with them, you know, builds up the
• 36:14
  tension well. And what I really love about
• 36:16
  that is then you get the dialogue bit of Perry going,
• 36:20
  they're coming and it really feels like they're a threat.
• 36:24
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they are coming.
• 36:25
  I mean, killers. And it's really nice that Alexi
• 36:27
  sales character is then like sort of being a bit the hero
• 36:30
  now. Although I will say, as much as
• 36:34
  I love Alexis saying in the story, don't stand out in front
• 36:36
  of you, Ray Bean. Well, how do you know they're
• 36:38
  all there? Yeah, that is silly.
• 36:41
  I do love that gun though, made out of music.
• 36:45
  I mean, I don't understand how it works, but it's very cool.
• 36:48
  Brilliant. And we're about to.
• 36:52
  I'm not yet. I think Natasha, yeah, Natasha
• 36:54
  and Gregory outline for this world.
• 36:55
  They're going to be. You see, this is great, this
• 36:58
  whole scene with Orsini and Bostock trying to kill the other
• 37:01
  Davros and the tank lure and him blowing off his foot and all of
• 37:05
  that. The doctor's not involved in any
• 37:07
  of this and yet absolutely riveted to find out what's going
• 37:12
  on. But I dare.
• 37:14
  But I don't think it, you know, takes away it.
• 37:17
  It still feels like it's Doctor Who.
• 37:19
  Do you know what I mean? It doesn't take away the fact
• 37:20
  that the Doctor's not ending it. Just like love of monsters.
• 37:24
  Just like Blink, you know? Oh, look, Malloy's ranting.
• 37:31
  Now I am Davros. He's so great, he's brilliant,
• 37:38
  and I think this is even more of a brilliant the way that Graham
• 37:43
  Harper manages to generate some dynamism in the studio.
• 37:47
  Now, I said he does it on location, but the fact that he
• 37:50
  manages to pull off an action sequel like this in the studio,
• 37:54
  it's great. I forget.
• 37:55
  They wouldn't have. They wouldn't have had much
• 37:56
  time, would they? They would have had what, couple
• 37:58
  of hours to do. I don't know how it was in the
• 38:01
  45 minute time because obviously in those days they do.
• 38:05
  In the old days it'd be 4 minutes, but they haven't got
• 38:08
  long to do that. It's impressive, but it looks so
• 38:11
  good. I watched just a couple of the
• 38:13
  studio trimmed, you know, the sort of the them preparing for
• 38:17
  shots. I mean, he's literally running
• 38:18
  around like a flea on a griddle, right?
• 38:21
  Because she's this bit you turn, you turn that way, do a
• 38:23
  reaction, let's go. He's trying to get in as many
• 38:25
  shots as he can. And I think as you were saying
• 38:30
  in the first episode, a lot of people probably wouldn't have
• 38:33
  liked that because he was so high pace, high energy.
• 38:37
  They probably wanted to do the best that they could.
• 38:39
  So then they were stepping up their game.
• 38:42
  Makes sense. It's interesting to know, isn't
• 38:44
  it, that the cast of Andrazani and the cast of Revelation?
• 38:48
  It is two of the two of the the best lots of acting you're going
• 38:51
  to see in the show. Yeah, yeah, definitely,
• 38:54
  definitely. And even doesn't say the.
• 38:57
  Lineless Critic Davidson says that he he thought that there
• 39:01
  just wasn't the the dynamism in any of the directors.
• 39:07
  He just didn't think it existed. And then he met Graham Harper,
• 39:10
  and he was like, no, it could have been there all along in In
• 39:13
  my Run. Didn't he say it?
• 39:16
  Had Graham directed the season before, he would have stayed on.
• 39:19
  It was only when obviously he it was gonna go that for his own.
• 39:22
  This is what I could have had. I'll stay on if he does every
• 39:24
  story. Yeah, yeah, I'm quite.
• 39:29
  I'm quite amazed that he only did two, actually.
• 39:31
  I would have thought he but you know now something.
• 39:35
  OK. This whole thing about the
• 39:37
  president. Yeah.
• 39:38
  And it has been sort of mentioned quite a bit.
• 39:40
  The president's wife, the stiff is there.
• 39:42
  She's been injected a lot to keep her fresh.
• 39:45
  But the idea isn't it, is that they're inviting the president
• 39:49
  here so Davros can basically bump him off and take over.
• 39:53
  Is that, is that right? And so they sent a message to
• 39:56
  the president saying there's Daleks here, you're going to be
• 39:59
  murdered, Get out of it. So essentially, that's the plot
• 40:02
  over really. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that's
• 40:06
  yeah, I mean, that's what I don't think it's ever actually
• 40:08
  properly said, but that's what student oh, here we go.
• 40:14
  How can you say such things? Great healer.
• 40:17
  I am pained by such a remark. You fooled you in the seal.
• 40:25
  That's a true matter of honor. Now we both die satisfied.
• 40:30
  Do you know on the on the new version right?
• 40:35
  I don't know if you noticed this.
• 40:36
  On the PFI they put in a sound effect when the knife goes in.
• 40:40
  It sounds like bones cracking or something.
• 40:42
  It's hard. Yeah, it's that's a horrible
• 40:46
  death. I mean, that's surprised that
• 40:48
  one got through, really. Eric's award says in the
• 40:52
  commentary he wishes now, although it's great because her
• 40:55
  death is great with a knife. But he wishes he'd had Kara just
• 41:00
  hold out to the last button and go What's up then?
• 41:06
  A great thing, Bob. Thank you, Cara.
• 41:11
  See, Davros knows. Davros knows all of it.
• 41:14
  He knew or seen. He was there.
• 41:16
  He knew it was a bomb. He's he's way ahead of
• 41:19
  everybody. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:22
  And there's also a very rare thing to happen that they killed
• 41:25
  the biggest guest star off quite.
• 41:27
  Not early. I mean, you know, still got, but
• 41:31
  you know, quite early in the episode.
• 41:33
  The way she holds her back, you know it's almost as if a knife
• 41:36
  goes through and out the other side.
• 41:39
  Yeah. Can I just can I just say now
• 41:44
  the award for the best death in revelation with Alex goes to
• 41:47
  Alexis Cell for sure. Just, you know, I genuinely
• 41:54
  it's, yeah, it's a it's a death that.
• 41:58
  It's the death that we all won, you know?
• 42:01
  Well, and you really like you say you really feel for it.
• 42:03
  I feel really sad when he dies. I think what?
• 42:06
  Adds to it is that we cut to Colin and Perry is screaming and
• 42:11
  I think the Doctor thinks that Perry is dead at that point, do
• 42:18
  you not think? Do.
• 42:21
  You not think that? I think.
• 42:22
  I think the doctor thinks Perry is dead because you hear her
• 42:25
  going. You murdered him.
• 42:26
  Why did you have it? And then she cuts out and he has
• 42:30
  a moment and then he just goes, right.
• 42:32
  I've got to get him with it. I didn't thought of it like
• 42:35
  that, never thought like that before.
• 42:38
  I'm sure he didn't think, well, they're going to take a captive.
• 42:41
  They probably thought that they kicked, that they killed you.
• 42:43
  Yeah, yeah, this is. This is another thing I've
• 42:48
  realized and everyone did podcast.
• 42:50
  That's how much I'm obsessed with people getting killed.
• 42:52
  Not to I think you mentioned. A lot of people that come with
• 42:55
  this thing are, you know I'm bit disturbed, all the pyramids,
• 42:58
  Mars the other week and the fella was loving every death.
• 43:01
  Well, I think Alexis Cell gets the best death do we have.
• 43:07
  A Oh, I do like what's saying he's deaf, though, when he's
• 43:11
  stroking bus dog. Oh yeah, but I'll be honest.
• 43:16
  Don't get a scream. You want to scream?
• 43:18
  You know you want to. Well, he's dignified.
• 43:21
  He's a Knight of the Grand Order of Oval.
• 43:23
  That's true. Yeah, that's.
• 43:27
  True. This whole scene with David,
• 43:29
  this is a great and it's 2 great actors just bouncing off each
• 43:36
  other. And it works that the do with
• 43:38
  them in real life are such good mates, such good mates.
• 43:43
  Do you know this? Do you know the story about
• 43:44
  Davrot's nose, nose and fingers? No, no.
• 43:50
  So in the scene where this is about to come up with bus stop
• 43:53
  shoots Davros's hand and it and he sort of like he kicks down
• 43:58
  the way Colin said that they he wanted to do a shot of it going
• 44:02
  up his nose, but they didn't get time to shoot it.
• 44:04
  But he says he still has one of Davros's fingers, and he's like
• 44:08
  collection. That must be rank now, yeah?
• 44:11
  Yeah, but they didn't get time to film it, sadly.
• 44:13
  But he wanted a shot of the fingers exploding 1 going.
• 44:17
  He could sell that for a fortune.
• 44:19
  Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, actually.
• 44:23
  But what what I really love about this scene is I think this
• 44:27
  is the best Doctor villain scene of the season.
• 44:31
  Agent Colin walks in and just owns the place, even though he's
• 44:35
  never been here before that Frost gets all this exposition
• 44:38
  over. This is why I invited you here,
• 44:40
  blah blah blah. I'll lured you in.
• 44:43
  They reveal the horror of what's going on and the Doctor shows
• 44:47
  appropriate sort of moral outrage, you know?
• 44:50
  Never in their worst nightmares that they ever think they'd come
• 44:53
  back as Daleks did you bother to tell anyone that they might be
• 44:58
  relative. That is a great line.
• 45:00
  That's another great. Line.
• 45:03
  Certainly not. Not if it gave them the
• 45:05
  opportunity to become Masters of the Universe we call consumer
• 45:11
  resistance, yeah. Lesser people, would they be
• 45:15
  left to rot? You should know me better than
• 45:18
  that, Doctor. And so it's great dialogue as
• 45:22
  well between the I think it's great.
• 45:26
  Another brilliant set as well. I think the set, no, it doesn't
• 45:28
  look like doesn't look like a studio.
• 45:30
  It looks like the actual rooms in a in the city.
• 45:36
  Oh, it's so gross. Just the thought that this, this
• 45:39
  sort of relief aid food is coming at people in people's
• 45:44
  dead relatives. I think it's a I think it's a
• 45:47
  brilliant idea. I think it's a brilliant idea
• 45:50
  for script what I'm saying it should.
• 45:53
  I was wondering then for a second, yeah, that's a good
• 45:57
  idea. No, but I think no.
• 45:59
  I think it's a brilliant idea and it's such a twist as well,
• 46:02
  because you don't expect it. But you know what they ask?
• 46:05
  The next line is the most the most telling, and it's still
• 46:09
  relevant today, is when Davros goes they were grateful for the
• 46:13
  food it allowed them to go on living.
• 46:18
  And that's relevant today in a in a sort of society where
• 46:21
  population growth is out of control and things are becoming
• 46:24
  scarce for whatever reason. And it's it's a great twist as
• 46:30
  well because in some who you need that twist not long before
• 46:33
  the end to have it, you know to to rank the story up.
• 46:37
  And I think that's a great little final bit of my because
• 46:41
  you don't know what Cara is. You know she's the food supply,
• 46:46
  but you just think it's the food supply.
• 46:47
  You don't realize it's actually all the dead people that is
• 46:52
  she's marketing all these dead people out to.
• 46:57
  And what's awards done as well? He's ceded the story for once.
• 47:01
  So Orsini has come here with the bomb to blow up Davros, which is
• 47:05
  the bomb they then use to destroy the Daleks that are
• 47:09
  there, and then they've already established that the flowers can
• 47:13
  be already made food supply. So the Galaxy isn't going to go
• 47:17
  starving because we can harvest it and farm it.
• 47:19
  So it's all tied up very neatly as well.
• 47:24
  Oh. God, his fingers and a bus stop.
• 47:30
  Did you notice the doctor punched those two guards in the
• 47:32
  nuts? Oh my God, those fingers on the
• 47:38
  floor. I don't believe it, but I've
• 47:42
  heard some people say that the renegade adults coming in and
• 47:47
  sweeping Davros away is a bit anti climactic.
• 47:51
  But do you know what I think actually remembrance salvages
• 47:55
  this. Because it does is then
• 47:57
  establish that sort of hatred between the two sets of Daleks,
• 48:01
  which is then picked. Think of it as a trailer for
• 48:03
  Remembrance. You know, Yeah, a prequel.
• 48:06
  There we go. I don't.
• 48:08
  I don't mind that as much. I don't mind.
• 48:10
  I mean, also as a kid, I was like, oh, dude, Alex, Oh my God.
• 48:14
  I don't. I don't think you, you know,
• 48:16
  also in a way, as you say, it makes more sense because had he
• 48:21
  died in this and then he'd come back in remembrance as he is in
• 48:25
  a way. I mean, I know it's tough to
• 48:26
  who, but credibility would have been a bit, yeah, for once.
• 48:31
  For once. So Sir, Wall's thinking about
• 48:33
  it. That's what he normally does.
• 48:34
  He normally has the villain die at the end and then go, Well,
• 48:36
  I'm indestructible. The universe knows that.
• 48:39
  And you go, yeah, I liked how sorry.
• 48:43
  I liked how that Dalek just been shot there like the white one
• 48:48
  when the others came in a little bit like, oh, I'm going now, but
• 48:53
  I'm outnumbered. I stand around there.
• 48:54
  Thank you for it. Is is the bit where the Doctor
• 49:00
  goes to shake Davros's hands, or lack of hands, the funniest
• 49:05
  moment in the whole story? I think that's so funny.
• 49:09
  That and that and no arm in trying.
• 49:12
  We could miss, yeah. The lines are a bit cold, but
• 49:16
  I'll tell you what, that's so sick.
• 49:19
  It's just that his hand blown off and the way that Dan Ross
• 49:22
  goes to it goes to extend his hand and then realizes it goes,
• 49:26
  it's really funny. Damn well, the doll, it's a bit
• 49:33
  thick here, Doctor. No, they don't care, do they?
• 49:40
  At this point, they just. Nicholas says that, Colin said.
• 49:44
  Doctor Who in the rehearsal and John Nathan Turner leapt up and
• 49:47
  went No, oh, there we are, There we go.
• 49:55
  That's so funny. I hate, you know, I hate things
• 49:58
  like that. But I hated it in the Moffett
• 49:59
  era, when the whole thing was Doctor Who.
• 50:03
  Don't do that. Don't do that.
• 50:07
  The. Character.
• 50:12
  So that's it without. So we've got to get rid of these
• 50:13
  Daleks now. We just happened to have this
• 50:17
  ready made bomb. We've also got pension gun and a
• 50:21
  tiny bomb as well. I mean also that is the most
• 50:25
  dangerous bit, the bomb on the Dalek.
• 50:27
  So he decided, I was thinking with Perry, you know, it's like,
• 50:33
  but you put your assistant in danger.
• 50:35
  Why don't? No.
• 50:36
  It's like putting the battery car down the coal mine.
• 50:39
  It's like in danger. If the bomb goes off before she
• 50:42
  gets over there. It's only her that's going to
• 50:44
  die. Yeah.
• 50:47
  Like it would have made more sense to have no one of them
• 50:52
  shot the gun and the but no, Harry's put the.
• 50:56
  I'll let you see it in a minute. I think when she when she does
• 50:58
  it, she's yeah. Look sort of, tentatively runs.
• 51:05
  It's a bit like Advocate the console in the earth.
• 51:07
  Shock when his nose is going to blow up.
• 51:09
  Do you? Know what That Doctor's blowing?
• 51:15
  Blowing out the Dalek ice stalk. It's great.
• 51:18
  With the machine gun, I could do a bit more of that.
• 51:23
  Yeah, people object to the Doctor having a gun, but I don't
• 51:25
  mind really. I love the whole movie.
• 51:32
  I liked. I liked that Russell did that.
• 51:34
  But also, that's a shame because.
• 51:38
  Of course we talked about that at the end of time, didn't we,
• 51:40
  When he had a pistol. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:45
  Oh. My God, can I tell you
• 51:47
  something, right? Mark goes to me at the end of
• 51:50
  this. He goes, Do you think you can
• 51:52
  buy those purple flowers? I said.
• 51:53
  Why? He goes, well, he goes, I'll
• 51:55
  decorate the living room with him.
• 51:57
  And I went. I'm not turning.
• 51:59
  Car out into a Funeral Home, I said.
• 52:00
  What are you going to have next? Me on a slab?
• 52:04
  Hasn't beaker in your house? You're nearly there.
• 52:07
  David, thanks to you. Tasm Beaker is in my house.
• 52:10
  I know she's six times. She's everywhere, Everywhere.
• 52:15
  I haven't had a guest yet asked the question, Why do you have
• 52:18
  that strange woman you know when you know when you buy something
• 52:24
  online and you laugh because you buy it?
• 52:29
  That was what happened with that I just saw.
• 52:31
  It was so when I clicked the buy button and put my like details
• 52:34
  in I was like. Someday I'll get you for it.
• 52:40
  I'll get you a gift that's just as evil.
• 52:43
  All right? I'll just say right.
• 52:45
  Because I do find these endings where people sacrifice
• 52:49
  themselves terrible. When Kosharmas sacrificed
• 52:52
  himself at the end of the time with his children so you can't
• 52:55
  remember him, it's so unmemorable.
• 52:56
  And it was just like so. Tweet it.
• 52:59
  And such a disappointing ending. But it's been established that
• 53:05
  the Knights of the granddaughter of Oberon are very honorable.
• 53:08
  And so I think it works here. And I just think there's such
• 53:11
  dignity in his performance. It works as well.
• 53:14
  Do you think Orsini was gay, though?
• 53:15
  Do you think they were gay couple?
• 53:17
  Could be. Oh, I would imagine so.
• 53:19
  Yeah, he likes a bit of rough. You know, talk his a little.
• 53:22
  You know, that's another. 10 This is so funny.
• 53:25
  They're talking about Nicola Briars, talking about this
• 53:27
  corridor because it was 3 foot long.
• 53:29
  They kept asking me to run up and down it and make it seem
• 53:32
  like it was a vast, sort of cat sort of honeycomb of corridors.
• 53:37
  She's like, really? You are testing my acting to the
• 53:40
  limit here, but then you don't feel that again when you're
• 53:45
  watching it. You don't.
• 53:46
  It doesn't feel like it's the way it shot.
• 53:53
  Yeah, you won't get that one off it.
• 53:55
  No, I like those pyramids. They've got as well behind the
• 53:58
  IBM building there in the model. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:02
  Yeah, yeah, there, mind you, there's they're doing the sort
• 54:05
  of Egyptian thing with some of the set decoration as well.
• 54:08
  And the Peacock and the yeah, and the the body, isn't it on
• 54:11
  slap. Very Egyptian.
• 54:14
  Yeah, shaking the camera there. Original starter Yeah, it works.
• 54:22
  So where exactly was the Doctor gonna take Perry then?
• 54:30
  Blackpool. Blackpool.
• 54:33
  Do we think Blackpool? Yeah, I don't know.
• 54:38
  I mean, having just listened to the nightmare for our Big
• 54:40
  Finish, they shouldn't bother us.
• 54:44
  Isn't it boring? It is.
• 54:47
  But yeah, it is, right. The other thing I would say from
• 54:52
  this story, my only other negative, is that if they knew
• 54:55
  that this was going on hiatus, surely you'd film something a
• 55:00
  bit different and just sort of going, I'll take you to and then
• 55:07
  credit. Surely you'd want to, I don't
• 55:09
  know, film a different ending. I don't know if just the TARDIS
• 55:13
  disappearing or I'm just, I don't know.
• 55:16
  I just, I mean, obviously they probably didn't know when they
• 55:19
  were from yet, but you'd find another bit that was not.
• 55:22
  Suitable. Weird enough, I feel like if you
• 55:25
  are going to go on hiatus or end a season, having the doctor say
• 55:28
  I'll take you to and then the possibilities are endless.
• 55:31
  As to how he could have ended that sentence, that's true.
• 55:34
  It's quite enticing, that's true.
• 55:36
  It's a shame we ever found out what he was going to say because
• 55:39
  just having the the ambiguity is quite nice.
• 55:44
  Well, it was. It was film does Blackpool,
• 55:47
  isn't it? Yeah, I think in the script it
• 55:51
  was saying, I'll take you to Blackpool led into the original
• 55:58
  at the end. What is very odd is how he can
• 56:01
  be that understated and charming in that last scene there with
• 56:04
  her. Yeah, we've got a whole season
• 56:06
  of him going. That's bad.
• 56:10
  Bad. Yeah, I know, I know.
• 56:13
  Yeah, it's Yeah, it's. This just shows how good of a
• 56:17
  doctor was. But also, and it's a shame that
• 56:23
  he. It shows you that this version
• 56:25
  of Sward, Doctor Who, this sort of more violent, weirder version
• 56:31
  which which started with sort of and just no sort of 21 and then
• 56:36
  became 22, that it could really work.
• 56:40
  And that whole thing of, you know, Eric, say what didn't like
• 56:45
  Colin as the Doctor he thought he was next fast.
• 56:50
  But he seems to have written him quite well in this.
• 56:52
  Well, I mean, Pip and Jane Baker watched it.
• 56:55
  So when it's very odd, Colin, you know, you hardly appear in
• 56:58
  that story that you did at the end of the season with the
• 57:01
  Daleks and Colin Baker. Yeah, Eric.
• 57:03
  So Ward wrote that one. It does take him a while to do
• 57:08
  anything of relevance, yeah. But then again I, you know it's
• 57:15
  hard it's hard to write a script when you're 2 lead actors are in
• 57:21
  panto and that's the you know I think I think that's that's the
• 57:25
  problem I have is people go well they're not in it that much when
• 57:27
  you get told as a writer by the way the first episode can't have
• 57:32
  your two lead in characters in it much because they're in a
• 57:35
  panto which they shouldn't really be it.
• 57:38
  It is difficult to write a script.
• 57:41
  It's a bit like that's why I I always get to defend Roberts
• 57:45
  because people will go Pennant. Roberts is a bad director.
• 57:47
  He wasn't a bad director. Most of the stories that he
• 57:50
  worked on there was something going on.
• 57:53
  And it's a bit similar with this.
• 57:54
  If you get told all your 2D characters not going to be in
• 57:57
  it, it's hard to then write a story.
• 58:00
  You have to write an ensemble piece, which we've, you know,
• 58:02
  talked about is brilliant. So I think had he been allowed
• 58:07
  to write them more into it, he he would have put them more into
• 58:11
  it, I'm sure. I mean, I'm sure he would have
• 58:13
  count them a little bit out the door, but.
• 58:16
  And what the the scenes that he does write for them.
• 58:20
  I think he's learned to write for both of them really well.
• 58:23
  So a bit where they go over the wall and he's like, I'll be
• 58:26
  lucky if I can lift you the amount you wait, oh watch it
• 58:28
  Parky. You know like it's it's funny
• 58:31
  stuff. But they've also learned to
• 58:34
  soften their performances as well, so.
• 58:36
  It's like the writing and the performance is all kind of
• 58:39
  sinking. Definitely, definitely.
• 58:43
  And I mean, it's a shame it's taken this long this season with
• 58:48
  that to happen. But I mean, it's yeah, it's
• 58:51
  still one of my favorites. Well, look, David,
• 58:54
  unfortunately, you may think that you can go now, but you
• 58:56
  have the unenviable task of having to choose three reasons
• 59:02
  to recommend Revelation of the Daleks.
• 59:04
  I shall do the same if you start, and then I'll have one.
• 59:08
  And then you. And then me.
• 59:09
  And then you and then me. Off you go.
• 59:13
  Oh, OK well, I would say firstly 2 words.
• 59:16
  Graham Arthur, possibly the most the best bit of Doctor to
• 59:23
  direction in Revelations are like #1.
• 59:27
  Grant is Grandma. My number one is going to be
• 59:33
  Hassan Beka. Come on now.
• 59:38
  Come on now. Because because our feels if
• 59:40
  she's getting a lot of hate from everybody and yet I think in the
• 59:46
  style in the role that she's given.
• 59:52
  I think she's pretty good in the role that she's given.
• 59:56
  I don't think she's given a good performance, but I think she's
• 1:00:00
  in a role where you don't need to.
• 1:00:02
  You just need to be awkward and pathetic and she does it really
• 1:00:06
  well. And I feel, I genuinely feel
• 1:00:09
  sorry for her when he's mean to her and especially at the end
• 1:00:13
  when he's really mean to her to to the point where she kills him
• 1:00:17
  so. And then she gets killed herself
• 1:00:20
  for doing. It it's a tragedy up there with
• 1:00:24
  the best Shakespeareans tragedies.
• 1:00:26
  So Aston Baker's my first one. Back to you one of, and I would
• 1:00:36
  only put it with a couple of other stories.
• 1:00:38
  Best guest cast in There are not many, but it's one of the best
• 1:00:45
  guest casts in the. Industry.
• 1:00:47
  I'll have to single anyone out because they're all so good, but
• 1:00:52
  I mean if I if I had someone held a gun to me and they said
• 1:00:55
  pick the best person in this, I think it would have to be quite
• 1:00:59
  swift. I would be hard to disagree with
• 1:01:04
  that, but I would also say but no, I think it's one of the best
• 1:01:07
  guest casts in a. You'd say Clive Swift and then
• 1:01:12
  you'd start thinking, oh, Eleanor Braun, oh, Terry Malloy,
• 1:01:16
  Alexis, William Gorn, Alexis. Yeah, you'd be going.
• 1:01:19
  Colin Baker's brilliant in it, you know, like you're like,
• 1:01:22
  Jesus, okay. I'm going to say then for my
• 1:01:27
  second one that I really like in the second episode how I think.
• 1:01:34
  Colin Baker's Dr. and Nicola Bryant's Perry switch roles.
• 1:01:39
  So basically he's the one that is unconscious and falling all
• 1:01:44
  over the place and being beaten up and treated in a generally
• 1:01:47
  appalling way. And she's the one that is
• 1:01:50
  fighting the Daleks and making the relationships and playing
• 1:01:55
  nice with everybody. And I just think, I think
• 1:01:58
  Perry's written for really well in this story, and she's got a
• 1:02:00
  lot of agency and Nicola Bryant is.
• 1:02:03
  Really, really good. And where she is seeing what she
• 1:02:07
  can do. So yeah, the The Run Reversal.
• 1:02:10
  And Nicola Bryan. I love that.
• 1:02:14
  Love that. I should have been my number
• 1:02:15
  three. Really.
• 1:02:16
  But I'm gonna. I'm gonna say my #3 probably
• 1:02:22
  This is the darkest Doctor Who story that there's ever been in
• 1:02:27
  the classic era, but by God, it's one of the camp.
• 1:02:32
  It's very camp. It's so camp.
• 1:02:35
  And it's it's that wonderful thing of having a really dark
• 1:02:40
  storyline but having lots of making, lots of having fun with
• 1:02:43
  it. It's not having, you know what I
• 1:02:45
  mean? Like, it's it's a lot of very
• 1:02:47
  dark ideas, a lot of very dark stories, a lot of very dark
• 1:02:51
  themes in a bit of a way. Which you know, if you if you
• 1:02:57
  boil down the actual story revelation, the darks, it is
• 1:03:01
  dark. But having all those other juicy
• 1:03:04
  performances just makes it, you know.
• 1:03:08
  Did you watch the behind the sofa for Paradise Towers?
• 1:03:11
  Of course. Where Janet and Peter said at
• 1:03:15
  the end, this is a bunch of really amazing character actors
• 1:03:20
  having the best time in the world and being camp and
• 1:03:24
  outrageous and. It's the same here, isn't it?
• 1:03:28
  I mean, I think this is a better story.
• 1:03:30
  I think the direction is better and I think tonally it's better
• 1:03:34
  judged. But yeah, Jesus Christ is
• 1:03:37
  infectious. Oh yes, Oh yes.
• 1:03:41
  They're all having a well of time doing it all, having a well
• 1:03:44
  of and there you got #3. I don't worry about Somerset
• 1:03:48
  then. Bugger.
• 1:03:50
  OK, so #3. Is going to.
• 1:03:52
  Oh yeah, because I never get to say this because I think
• 1:03:55
  generally his music is poor. It's Roger Lim who after, you
• 1:04:01
  know, he scored stories like Terminus and Ark of Infinity.
• 1:04:06
  Yeah, just terrible, terrible, dreary wallpaper music, you
• 1:04:11
  know, like electronic hell. And then Oppa came along and had
• 1:04:16
  long protracted discussions with him and said I want it more
• 1:04:20
  instrumental. Less electronic.
• 1:04:22
  I want it scarier. This is where I want the music
• 1:04:26
  and fuck me. Lim delivers the goods.
• 1:04:28
  It's got a great score. All of those things we talked
• 1:04:31
  about, where the pace is rising up.
• 1:04:33
  The music does a lot of the work there.
• 1:04:35
  So yeah, Roger Lim, you finally came good.
• 1:04:38
  Unfortunately this is the last time you're in the show and
• 1:04:42
  Roger, if you're listening or anyone from the BBC, please
• 1:04:45
  release this on final because I would actually buy it.
• 1:04:48
  Yeah, I think at least it's musical final, because it's
• 1:04:51
  lovely. Yeah.
• 1:04:52
  David, before we out, was there anyone in the cast where we
• 1:04:55
  didn't hear the anecdote? Let me think.
• 1:04:59
  And the Bron. Yes.
• 1:05:03
  Yeah, I met Bill Gorm but I can't remember much about it cuz
• 1:05:07
  I was about 12:00. OK, your parent's friend.
• 1:05:12
  My parents. Lovely friend.
• 1:05:13
  Yeah. Rose Mills.
• 1:05:15
  Who's the Knight? You're into them all, not, but
• 1:05:20
  there are many nice stories about this car particularly.
• 1:05:24
  I'll tell you what I've got. I've got one story of somebody
• 1:05:26
  in this who I think is just the most delightful person in all of
• 1:05:31
  Doctor Who, and that's Graham Harper who.
• 1:05:35
  Is just dazzling at conventions. He's and he's so warm and
• 1:05:39
  friendly and for a man that talented, he's done such good
• 1:05:43
  work. You really don't need to be.
• 1:05:45
  But he, he just is a nice but I remember a story that Barry
• 1:05:48
  let's told that Graham Harper came up to him as he was doing
• 1:05:51
  the director's course. And he's like, I really wanted
• 1:05:54
  to go and do the director's course.
• 1:05:55
  But I don't want to be an answer, I don't want to be a
• 1:05:58
  bastard. And so many directors are just
• 1:06:00
  horrible. And Barry, let's sit with him.
• 1:06:02
  Graham, you can be a fantastic director and you can be a nice
• 1:06:05
  guy. And having met him in person
• 1:06:08
  just briefly where I got to say, I think you're brilliant.
• 1:06:12
  I said, and I think the work you did with Russie, Davis's Doctor
• 1:06:15
  Who was just astonishing and he went, well, Russell does have my
• 1:06:20
  number, You know, if he is coming back, he is a really nice
• 1:06:25
  bloke like he is. None of the good work he did
• 1:06:28
  like changed his personality at all.
• 1:06:30
  He's just the top guy. He he's someone that you can
• 1:06:34
  listen to for hours because he's always so enthusiastic about
• 1:06:37
  what he talks about. He's it's so infectious when he
• 1:06:40
  talks at conventions about stuff and you can listen to him frows
• 1:06:44
  and he's always so interested in you talking to you.
• 1:06:48
  And in fact couples ago was at the Capitol the doctor that run
• 1:06:54
  and they hand out awards or lifetime treatment for Doctor
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  Who. They were three given weekend.
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  Graham Harper got one of them and thoroughly deserved.
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  And it was so lovely to see him quite tearful about it because
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  yeah, he thoroughly deserves it because he is.
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  He's a great. He's a great guy, lovely, lovely
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  man. Well then I have one final
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  question for you before we say goodbye, and that is, do you
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  like Matt Smith as the Doctor? Yeah, I do.
• 1:07:28
  I do. Okay, What's your favorite Matt
• 1:07:31
  Smith episode? You know the answer to this
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  symbiotic, you might say. Oh no, bug RIP.
• 1:07:42
  Someone's nabbed that one. What's your second favorite Matt
• 1:07:45
  Smith episode that Day of the Doctor?
• 1:07:50
  I guess I'm not saying that one. So I've got so many Matt Smith
• 1:07:53
  episodes I need to do recordings for.
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  You've taken, like you've mentioned, one of about 5:00
• 1:07:57
  that have been done. Which ones do you need to get?
• 1:08:01
  Which ones? Literally, there is literally
• 1:08:03
  Tums. OK, the beast below.
• 1:08:09
  What about that one? No.
• 1:08:10
  That's still that's still available.
• 1:08:12
  And what do you know? My favorite mattress story is
• 1:08:17
  the beast below. Is it?
• 1:08:18
  Now. Well, let me tell you, it just
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  so happens to be available, and next time we reconvene them, I'm
• 1:08:27
  gonna be intrigued to know why you like that one so much,
• 1:08:29
  because I'm a bit iffy with that one.
• 1:08:30
  Are you? Are you?
• 1:08:33
  I can't think of many other good Max Smith episodes, if I'm
• 1:08:35
  honest. It's about a weirdly and out of
• 1:08:38
  space. Sorry, that was terrible.
• 1:08:42
  Well, look, you and I, if you're up for it, we'll reconvene for
• 1:08:45
  the Beast below. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:08:48
  Absolutely all any the other Max with stories that happen to be
• 1:08:52
  my face. As long as you say I'm the
• 1:08:55
  bloody Queen mate and basically don't tell me what's tell me
• 1:09:01
  which stories you want to do or haven't done the net, they'll be
• 1:09:04
  my favorite. It's fine.
• 1:09:05
  Oh, OK. I'll send you a list then.
• 1:09:07
  All right. As long as it's not.
• 1:09:09
  As long as it's not time with the Doctor.
• 1:09:10
  I'm not sitting through that again.
• 1:09:12
  Let's go. Do that with Fraser.
• 1:09:13
  Somehow he managed to go on for two hours about how amazing it
• 1:09:16
  was. I was very patient with him.
• 1:09:20
  What? Which one?
• 1:09:21
  Which one? I'm with the Doctor.
• 1:09:24
  Oh no. It's a blind name, isn't it?
• 1:09:29
  Yeah, Let's go hit that as well. Yeah, I did that one recently as
• 1:09:33
  well. The pain I put myself through
• 1:09:35
  for this podcast. I don't know how you do it.
• 1:09:39
  I tell you what Ask me. Ask me my favorite Stephen
• 1:09:42
  Moffett story. What's your favorite Stephen
• 1:09:44
  Moffett story? Curse of Fate or Death?
• 1:09:47
  Ah, it's yours. But no, that does just leave me
• 1:09:54
  to say thank you very much for your time.
• 1:09:56
  Thank you very much for your anecdotes.
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  I love to hear. Thank you.
• 1:09:59
  And you always bring such energy and humor to these things.
• 1:10:02
  It's just a lie. So thank you very much.
• 1:10:05
  Well, thank well, thank you. It's been an absolute pleasure.
• 1:10:08
  And yeah, we love a bit of revelation, Alex, don't we?
• 1:10:14
  You can't be. But no, it's been, it's been a
• 1:10:16
  joint and I hope people listen to this.
• 1:10:18
  Just love our impressions that are incredibly accurate and
• 1:10:25
  wonderful. They've gotta be fucking
• 1:10:26
  indulging with us to love 'em 'cause there's plenty of them.