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What’s Eating U?! Season 2 Ep 1: Worms, Wisdom & Wholistic Wellness | With Dr. Giles · What's Eating U?!

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  Sam: Today is a super special episode because we have our very first in-person guest, and who better than Dr Juliana Giles, nd, natural doctor and Kim's personal doctor?
• 0:44
  Sam: Welcome to what's Eating you, dr J.
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  Kim: Yeah.
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  Dr. Giles: Thanks, Dr J.
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  Dr. Giles: How are you?
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  Dr. Giles: I'm doing?
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  Sam: great Glad to be here and we're so happy to have you.
• 0:52
  Sam: So behind your name we know that there is what you call an alphabet salad.
• 0:59
  Sam: So, ND is about as far as we can go.
• 1:02
  Sam: That means natural doctor.
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  Sam: But what else do you specialize in?
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  Sam: And yeah, what are your specialties?
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  Dr. Giles: Yes, I also have a master's in MS or a master's of science in Ayurvedic science, so it's ND MSAS technically, and so I specialize in Ayurvedic medicine, naturopathic medicine and really in general complex chronic illness and oncology, because I did my residency in integrative oncology so that's my main specialty, but within that anything complex chronic illnesses like multisystemic illness, autoimmune illnesses, chronic infections, things like that, and I also do a lot of mind-body medicine and work with trauma, a lot of trauma work, because that affects all the systems in the body as well.
• 1:49
  Sam: Yeah, I always love to spell holistic W-H-O-L, because it really is the approach to health and the body as a whole, complete system, instead of focusing on only one thing, one symptom, one area, but everything is interconnected.
• 2:07
  Kim: Our entire system is connected.
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  Sam: So you take a whole W-H-O-L-E approach to healing and health and vitality and wellbeing right.
• 2:17
  Dr. Giles: Yeah, and I also realized that a person is not an island.
• 2:20
  Dr. Giles: So the person is a part of a family system, is part of a larger lineage, is part of a community and what's in the community, including environmental toxins, things like that, so it's all.
• 2:31
  Dr. Giles: So not only is it wholism in terms of one person, but their interconnectedness with all that is essentially.
• 2:37
  Kim: That's really what wholism is to me and it allows you to understand that individual's health, as we're finding out, because you're treating pretty much my whole family now, right, because I dug down, found everything with you, and then we've gone out and been like, okay, that mold my mom gave me, so we can actually like nail it down of how we all got this sick Yep, which then helps like the ripple effect with my nieces Exactly.
• 3:03
  Kim: So, yeah, so it's really a cool concept that everybody should be aware of.
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  Sam: Yeah, I love the way you wrote that down, though not just looking at the whole as an individual being, but a whole as within, so without so environment, family, community, earth even what is your connection to the earth and the health of the earth.
• 3:27
  Sam: The health of the earth and I know Ayurvedic medicine like I am passionate about it just from I'm fascinated by it and the fact it's all rooted in, like the elements and then the elements that each individual human is made up of, but then also how to use the elements to balance the system.
• 3:43
  Sam: So it really is a beautiful way to look at medicine and healing and being a healthy human being on the planet, to look at it as a whole of the not just micro but zoom out as the macro, as well.
• 3:54
  Sam: So that's beautiful.
• 3:55
  Sam: I would really love to dive into how you and Kim met.
• 4:00
  Sam: The story is really special and beautiful and I know it was at an absolute vital time in Kim's life and you came along and were someone who not only believed in her and her healing but knew that you could help her heal when essentially every other doctor put their hands up and said sorry yeah, medical abandonment.
• 4:25
  Kim: I mean that's really what started me.
• 4:27
  Kim: Going to the clinic you were working at was like straight medical abandonment.
• 4:32
  Sam: Yeah, you had been abandoned, yeah.
• 4:34
  Kim: Yeah, and we've talked about that on previous podcasts where you know I was getting off of medications and I should have been followed and you know they wouldn't do it because our insurance changed, and so when I found the clinic you went to, it was specifically or that you worked out, it was specifically because of the slate ganglia lock, but then it ended up being where we're at now, which is just wild.
• 4:59
  Sam: Yeah, let's give everyone a timeline a little bit for a backstory.
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  Sam: Where were you at when you came to her clinic to meet her?
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  Sam: You had already gone through 13 surgeries.
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  Sam: Right, you were chronically ill.
• 5:10
  Sam: Yeah, your health was declining.
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  Sam: Were you already, would you say, circling the drain?
• 5:15
  Sam: Where were you at when you came and found Jay?
• 5:17
  Kim: I mean, we had accepted that it was.
• 5:20
  Kim: That's what the end result was by the time I found Jay in 2021.
• 5:24
  Sam: That you were going to lose your life.
• 5:25
  Kim: Yeah.
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  Kim: So 2019 is when Jeremy and I went out to the property and then, in 2020, is when I started to really start to like get in mushrooms and try and get myself off of my big pharma meds, which was what Klonopin which that goes back to what your specialty is, because it ties in my mental health with my physical health and they both were just such a decline and just knowing how getting that under control just a little bit was so helpful for my chronic illnesses, because in January, I had like what we now know was like mold and potentially a mini stroke, because that's where I started to lose memories and I couldn't like shower.
• 6:06
  Kim: So I think that the hardest part was leaving my place and that's what took so long to come and see you in person because I could just do like bare minimum leave, and I think March is when we met and then I went and got the SGB in June.
• 6:23
  Kim: So I couldn't leave between March and June.
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  Kim: I just wasn't really healthy enough to leave.
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  Sam: So when you did find her clinic, you already had doctors before that go.
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  Sam: Sorry, we don't know what to do.
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  Sam: We don't know what's wrong with you.
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  Sam: We can't figure it out, we're putting our hands up.
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  Sam: You're just going to have to live this way or die, right?
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  Sam: And when that happened, you went to her clinic and what did you say?
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  Sam: Like, what were you like, hey, this is me, this is my story.
• 6:48
  Sam: What did you say?
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  Kim: Well, they got on the phone with me and I.
• 6:51
  Kim: We were on a Zoom when we got on the call.
• 6:53
  Kim: I just remember saying my husband and I have been doing Amanita and everybody just kind of stopped because she's a mushroom person, like this is her jam.
• 7:04
  Kim: And so immediately the head guy there was.
• 7:08
  Kim: Like we got to get Giles into all this.
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  Sam: Wow, and you were taking Amanita to replace your Klonopin.
• 7:14
  Sam: Yeah, and psilocybin.
• 7:15
  Kim: And psilocybin Because, at this point, jeremy had started growing in 2020.
• 7:19
  Kim: So he had already done the growing and we'd already been doing the Amanita, and it was allowing me to still utilize my brain after getting off of Klonopin.
• 7:28
  Sam: Okay, so you were using the power of mushrooms to help heal yourself, but you were doing that.
• 7:34
  Sam: That was something you were doing.
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  Sam: Then you come to her clinic.
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  Sam: You say this is all that's wrong with me.
• 7:38
  Sam: Doctors, up to this point, said they don't know what to do.
• 7:41
  Sam: They can't figure it out.
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  Sam: I'm currently using Amanita, did you say?
• 7:47
  Kim: psilocybin to them?
• 7:48
  Kim: Oh yeah, absolutely, cause I felt so comfortable right now.
• 7:49
  Dr. Giles: It's a cool thing, Everybody talks about it.
• 7:50
  Dr. Giles: So back four years ago it was like what Cause?
• 7:53
  Kim: I remember going to my psychiatrist and telling her what I was doing and she just really did not approve.
• 7:58
  Dr. Giles: Of course, and I'm like, but it's helping me.
• 8:01
  Kim: Like it's helping me, and she was like so you're just like taking it all the time and I'm all all the time.
• 8:07
  Kim: Yes, she was not happy about it, but it was helping me, like it really was switching that PTSD pattern.
• 8:15
  Kim: Because people don't realize that when you get into a PTSD pattern you get stuck and you cannot get out, no matter how hard you try.
• 8:23
  Kim: You get stuck and you cannot get out, no matter how hard you try.
• 8:26
  Kim: And that's where, when you bring in big P or you bring in these other assistants, it can stop that pattern.
• 8:30
  Kim: That's right.
• 8:31
  Sam: Yeah, yeah.
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  Sam: So talk about an alignment of oh yeah man, first of all the mushrooms bringing people together.
• 8:38
  Sam: So, for you to vocalize to this clinic.
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  Sam: I'm using these mushrooms to help heal myself.
• 8:41
  Sam: No Western medicine doctors know what to do with me, and then they immediately recognized Jay as a mushroom human and a mushroom doctor.
• 8:49
  Sam: So they said her, she's the one for the job.
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  Sam: So when you heard Kim's story and backstory see you said you specialize in complex chronic illness.
• 9:01
  Sam: Couldn't really be a more perfect fit, because what a complex history she had already had.
• 9:05
  Sam: So when you heard the story and they brought it to you, what made you say yes, I am confident I can help this woman heal.
• 9:13
  Sam: I know what to do.
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  Sam: Let's go.
• 9:16
  Dr. Giles: She was hungry for it.
• 9:17
  Dr. Giles: She was ready.
• 9:18
  Dr. Giles: I knew right away she was ready.
• 9:20
  Dr. Giles: I don't even think at the time, Kim, you knew how ready you were, but you were ready.
• 9:24
  Dr. Giles: You were ready to do anything.
• 9:26
  Dr. Giles: It took pretty much, and anytime I have somebody in front of me who's willing, it's an inner knowing, it's an inner sense of like they're willing to do anything.
• 9:35
  Dr. Giles: And also when, because we had such an immediate alliance and there's an immediate trust and an immediate rapport where it was like we felt like we had been friends forever at that point Our lineage was there.
• 9:46
  Kim: It was totally there, even down to your last name of Giles is my husband's family's name.
• 9:53
  Kim: Yeah right, like we knew right then, right then.
• 9:56
  Dr. Giles: And, by the way, Rogers is my little sister's last name too.
• 9:59
  Kim: So like there were a lot of A lot of synchronicities, a lot of synchronicities, a lot of synchronicities, but also just like so much comfort, so right off the bat.
• 10:11
  Dr. Giles: And then Kim being so ready to heal and being so proactive about her health, and the fact that she and Jer had come as far as they had without any guidance was incredible to me and I was like, if they have brought it this far just on their own, we can do as a team, like we can do anything where we got, like I knew at that moment we got this, like I have the ability to order the right test, to be able to, you know, refine things, figure things out, dig it all up, get you know whatever on board that we need to get on board, help guide things.
• 10:38
  Dr. Giles: But they were already so self-directed and so motivated and he was so motivated to help her too.
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  Dr. Giles: It was just like immediate team effort.
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  Dr. Giles: We're in this together, like let's do this thing.
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  Dr. Giles: And I just knew, also because of Kim's primary diagnosis at the time, it's very similar to an oncology diagnosis, it's very much on that spectrum.
• 10:57
  Dr. Giles: And then autoimmunity stuff, like again that complex chronic illness, and that's what I do and that's what we did.
• 11:03
  Kim: Yeah, I came for it because I was researching how to treat my endometriosis like oncology style.
• 11:10
  Kim: Exactly, and we don't want to say what you know the C word so oncology style is how I wanted to.
• 11:16
  Kim: Yeah, big C.
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  Kim: I wanted to treat it like that because that's really what I was doing.
• 11:20
  Kim: I'd been on chemo twice.
• 11:21
  Kim: I had my bones wrecked from it, I had a hysterectomy.
• 11:27
  Kim: I still had five surgeries after my hysterectomy and then the PTSD set in and then come to find out, you know it ended up being mold, a lot of it triggering, but it really needed to be treated like it was the big C.
• 11:39
  Kim: And that's where, like you, came in and I felt so confident because I'm like, if this lady can come with natural ways to assist people while they're on chemo, you know.
• 11:51
  Kim: And then you heard turkey tail and you just went what.
• 11:56
  Sam: So, the mushroom seems to be a really big piece and theme of what kept making you be like yes, yes, yes.
• 12:03
  Dr. Giles: That I would say the mushrooms, the mental health component and the trauma component, like that really speaks to me.
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  Dr. Giles: That's again like really deep, deep in there in terms of my forte and my forte of like getting in there and uprooting what the real issues are.
• 12:18
  Dr. Giles: So that part to the mental health component, the all the med withdrawals that you had gone through, just that, most of all of that, just end the hormones.
• 12:30
  Dr. Giles: actually that was another thing, because I do a lot of work with hormones and the fact that Kim's issues were, at least in part, hormonally mediated and then immune mediated.
• 12:38
  Dr. Giles: It was like this is all like check, check, check, check, check, check, check.
• 12:42
  Dr. Giles: In terms of what I love to treat, I'm capable of treating and especially when I have a willing participant and just such easy chemistry and such easy rapport that it was, I was like, give me some time.
• 12:54
  Dr. Giles: This isn't going to be an overnight fix.
• 12:56
  Dr. Giles: You know it's going to take some time, bear with me, but like, we will get there.
• 12:59
  Dr. Giles: Like if you hang in there with me and I remember when I said that you're like, you're going to hang in there with me, like you were.
• 13:04
  Sam: So you're like let's dive into that conversation a little bit how did that go, kim, because I know that that was a really important conversation for you.
• 13:11
  Sam: So what was that conversation?
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  Kim: Well, because I had part PTSD from medical abandonment.
• 13:17
  Kim: When your doctors are supposed to follow you along when you're getting off of a controlled substance like benzodiazepine and then they just leave you halfway into the tapering of it off, and then me and Jeremy are trying to figure it out on our own in the woods.
• 13:32
  Kim: That's dangerous.
• 13:33
  Kim: Now knowing that we were pelted with worm water and living in mold and I have Lyme On top of all of this.
• 13:39
  Kim: It was like really detrimental.
• 13:41
  Kim: We didn't know those three parasites mold and Lyme when we first came to you, and so it's really detrimental to the mental health.
• 13:49
  Kim: When you just get straight abandoned and like I, even though I am so smart with medical and I'm capable now the brain fog is not here anymore At that time, like I needed someone to direct me.
• 13:59
  Kim: You just you get into this.
• 14:00
  Kim: At that time, like I needed someone to direct me.
• 14:03
  Kim: You just you get into this, like what am I going to do?
• 14:06
  Kim: And here my husband is needing to be kind of like my doctor.
• 14:10
  Kim: Right, and that had to have been hard for my husband.
• 14:12
  Kim: And here I'm like trying to verbalize what's going on.
• 14:17
  Kim: And that's really where the silly ganglia block came in from your clinic with Dr Forrest Dobbs was because I was becoming, in my own body, nonverbal.
• 14:26
  Kim: And so when I was able to connect with you on the Zoom calls, I was able to kind of even though this is such a crazy way of saying it like just dump.
• 14:36
  Kim: Yes, that's right, it was just like I got able to just dump it all and then we were able to then kind of work and like clean up, okay, well, why did she?
• 14:45
  Kim: Why did this?
• 14:46
  Kim: And that's when we all, when we started to really figure out, kind of, our protocol, too, was dumping.
• 14:53
  Kim: And when she said oh, so then she said we're sitting there talking about this and because I've had medical abandonment and you're such an amazing person, she looked at me and goes I will never leave you.
• 15:07
  Kim: I will always be here for you, no matter what.
• 15:11
  Dr. Giles: I said I'm never giving up on you.
• 15:12
  Dr. Giles: Yeah, you said I'm not, you're not.
• 15:14
  Dr. Giles: I said absolutely not.
• 15:15
  Dr. Giles: I was like I'll be by you.
• 15:17
  Dr. Giles: I was like, as long as you want me to be there, I'll be here to help direct things.
• 15:20
  Dr. Giles: And I was like I got you a hundred percent.
• 15:23
  Dr. Giles: That's why I said it won't happen overnight, it'll take some time, but hang in there with me and I'll hang in there with you and like we'll, we'll make it through.
• 15:29
  Dr. Giles: And here we are.
• 15:30
  Dr. Giles: Here we are, four years later.
• 15:38
  Sam: Y'all made a pact.
• 15:39
  Sam: Yeah, we have a pact.
• 15:39
  Sam: We have a pact, absolutely, it's so beautiful.
• 15:40
  Sam: So what you keep saying too, jay, is you're such a root cause doctor, and so many doctors you know, always are only focused on the treatment of the, of the symptom or the service level things, and then writing the script and it's just this whole like cycle where you never really get to the root.
• 15:57
  Sam: But you're so root cause driven and you really dig.
• 16:00
  Sam: That's why you said, like you knew what tests, you knew what you were going to do to find the root, when you met Kim, where we were literally going to say the same, thing Okay, we'll say it, you go.
• 16:10
  Sam: Okay, Well, I was going to ask was she who she is right now?
• 16:15
  Dr. Giles: Yes and no.
• 16:16
  Dr. Giles: I mean, this person was in there, but she was buried.
• 16:20
  Dr. Giles: She was buried under so many layers, so much to dig up.
• 16:24
  Dr. Giles: She was like buried way underneath the soil.
• 16:27
  Dr. Giles: You know, she was in there and I could see it.
• 16:29
  Dr. Giles: That's why I knew I can help her, because I could see this person in that person.
• 16:34
  Dr. Giles: But there were so many layers that had to be scraped off and cleaned off and polished to get her to where she is now.
• 16:42
  Dr. Giles: But so I'd say she's definitely still the same person, but she's not.
• 16:47
  Kim: if that makes sense, I remember saying that on a call Like I'm in here, I just need help.
• 16:54
  Dr. Giles: Yeah.
• 16:54
  Kim: I just need your help getting me out.
• 16:57
  Dr. Giles: Exactly Like I'm stuck.
• 16:59
  Kim: And I don't know how to get myself out.
• 17:01
  Kim: I've done every single thing that Jeremy and I can do to get me out, and I just need a little more assistance.
• 17:11
  Dr. Giles: I just need someone to come in and help me take charge of the situation Exactly, and I love what you said, even with the word dumping, because that happens every single day of my life at work.
• 17:17
  Dr. Giles: You know people just word dump all of it, and they're like I'm sorry I'm giving you so much.
• 17:21
  Dr. Giles: I'm like no, no, please keep it coming.
• 17:22
  Kim: Keep it coming.
• 17:23
  Dr. Giles: Because that's how my brain works is once I have the big pile and all of it, I can sift through it and put all the pieces together and draw the roadmap, and this led to this led to this led to this.
• 17:35
  Dr. Giles: And then every you know, each visit, something else comes in and I add that, oh, that's key, like somebody could say a hundred things and there might be two relevant things, but those are the two things that I'm going to extract, pull out and weave it in.
• 17:47
  Dr. Giles: And so even just Kim being the fact that she was even able to dump everything on me at that point was huge, because, again, it was just coming out of the sgb too, because I think like I struggled yeah, you were struggling with your words still at the at first.
• 18:03
  Dr. Giles: it was hard for you to still get things out and there was a lot of tears.
• 18:06
  Dr. Giles: It was between a lot of tears.
• 18:07
  Dr. Giles: So once you were able to really get it all out, then it helped me to sift it down, to clear it up, and it was all essentially relevant, but you, just at that point, you were so in it to be able to sort it out, sift through it, you know, clear it out.
• 18:24
  Sam: Beautiful.
• 18:24
  Sam: Yeah, that was the big thing that you needed.
• 18:26
  Sam: So you guys met in March.
• 18:28
  Sam: We met in March.
• 18:29
  Sam: Let's explain to people who don't know what an SGB is.
• 18:33
  Kim: I was going to say that so met.
• 18:34
  Sam: In March you got to work, you had your calls and your initial appointment.
• 18:38
  Sam: Sgb was one of the first things that you knew you needed to do to help her.
• 18:44
  Kim: So I had to get reviewed by them because I referred myself and most people don't just show up at their clinic and be like I'd like a slate ganglia block.
• 18:50
  Kim: I know I need it.
• 18:52
  Kim: Something's in me.
• 18:52
  Kim: I got to get it out.
• 18:53
  Kim: I don't know what it is, but I need to get this nerve block.
• 18:56
  Kim: So slate ganglia block, your slate ganglia is in here.
• 19:00
  Kim: It holds trauma here.
• 19:06
  Kim: It holds trauma.
• 19:06
  Kim: It holds like all sorts of emotions and nerves and stress and you can go in and block that nerve.
• 19:08
  Kim: That allows you to reset your nervous system and get you out of fight or flight.
• 19:11
  Kim: Amazing.
• 19:12
  Kim: So it takes you from sympathetic nervous.
• 19:13
  Kim: Yes, you're sympathetic to para right, so you're like working on it so that you can get a rest for just a moment to be able to get clarity.
• 19:22
  Sam: It sounds like a nervous system reset.
• 19:23
  Kim: It is a nervous system reset.
• 19:24
  Kim: And you have two places that the stellate ganglia is it's in your neck and in your hip.
• 19:29
  Kim: So if you have a lot of hip pain, it's kind of the same.
• 19:31
  Kim: You're just manifesting the pain of your trauma or your emotions down in your hip.
• 19:36
  Kim: Mine manifested here, and so I- which even makes sense, chakra-wise, but not being able to talk the throat, and then Dr J, which even makes sense chakra-wise, but not being able to talk the throat.
• 19:43
  Sam: And then Dr J, what is the actual SGB procedure?
• 19:47
  Sam: Like what do they do?
• 19:48
  Dr. Giles: It's ultrasound guided.
• 19:49
  Dr. Giles: So the stellate ganglion is.
• 19:51
  Dr. Giles: It's on both sides, but normally we start on the right.
• 19:54
  Dr. Giles: So it's ultrasound guided because it's right by the jugular and the carotid so it obviously cannot inject in there accidentally.
• 20:04
  Dr. Giles: So it's ultrasound guided so that we can see the tissues and then you can actually see that ganglion right there.
• 20:09
  Dr. Giles: And it's injected with a long acting anesthetic like bupivacaine, which is just a 12 hour long acting anesthetic.
• 20:17
  Dr. Giles: But in injecting right next to it it basically blocks all sympathetic signals from the neck down.
• 20:24
  Dr. Giles: So even if somebody is mentally getting really triggered in fight or flight, the body is not able to respond to that.
• 20:30
  Dr. Giles: So the body gets a break and is calmed down.
• 20:33
  Kim: And can heal Because it exactly it has a chance to heal.
• 20:37
  Dr. Giles: It goes into rest, it forces parasympathetic tone.
• 20:40
  Kim: And it also works for pain and that's kind of another thing that obviously when you have PTSD your extremities are always in pain.
• 20:49
  Kim: So my hands, I know it's time to get an injection because my hands hurt, so it really is kind of a pain.
• 20:55
  Kim: It helps with the pain.
• 20:57
  Kim: I mean, that's really what they're developing it more for too.
• 21:00
  Kim: But I get the left side because I research that there's multiple traumas.
• 21:04
  Kim: The left side works the best.
• 21:05
  Kim: I've done both sides.
• 21:05
  Kim: And I get the left side because I research that there's multiple traumas.
• 21:05
  Kim: The left side works the best.
• 21:06
  Kim: I've done both sides and I get more out of that side.
• 21:09
  Dr. Giles: So you should try it.
• 21:10
  Dr. Giles: You can't do it at the same time, by the way.
• 21:12
  Kim: You can't, because it actually like paralyzes it just for a few hours and you have like a saggy face, which is normal.
• 21:18
  Kim: I have a lot of videos on my account before and after when I do it, so people can actually like see what it looks like, right, because it is kind of weird.
• 21:26
  Kim: You look like you've stroked, yeah, but that means that it works.
• 21:30
  Kim: It means that it works and it doesn't always mean that if it doesn't do that, it didn't work.
• 21:34
  Kim: But it just really like gets in there.
• 21:36
  Dr. Giles: Yeah, and you're right, people usually respond more on one side.
• 21:39
  Dr. Giles: It's about 80 percent respond to the right and about 20% respond on the left.
• 21:43
  Dr. Giles: So you don't know until you do it.
• 21:44
  Kim: And what happened after you got it?
• 21:46
  Kim: Like it was just immediate relief, the noise that was in my mind.
• 21:49
  Kim: It just paused and stopped and I was able to go oh my gosh, what the heck.
• 21:54
  Kim: Like.
• 21:55
  Kim: I can't believe I was trapped inside of me like that, Wow.
• 21:58
  Kim: So everything changed.
• 22:00
  Kim: Everything changed in that moment.
• 22:01
  Kim: Even my voice changed, because I did a before video and I did an after video.
• 22:05
  Kim: And even my voice changed because before I was like, so I'm going to go get a silly ganglia block.
• 22:10
  Kim: And then after I was like I've got it.
• 22:12
  Kim: I got it.
• 22:14
  Dr. Giles: Like my voice went higher, throat chakra wide open.
• 22:16
  Dr. Giles: It hasn't stopped since.
• 22:17
  Dr. Giles: Yes, exactly, it hasn't shut since.
• 22:20
  Dr. Giles: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think.
• 22:21
  Sam: I've heard Kim quiet ever since meeting her no, but that's a beautiful thing.
• 22:25
  Sam: So it completely changed everything.
• 22:28
  Kim: And you guys were able to talk and she was able to jump and get it all out.
• 22:30
  Kim: Yeah, then I met her in person after that.
• 22:32
  Kim: Oh, nice, so I did like two and remember why we met in person.
• 22:35
  Dr. Giles: Why?
• 22:35
  Dr. Giles: Because it wasn't just mushrooms that brought us together, it was also cannabinoids and you needed an MMA in person.
• 22:42
  Sam: That's right, so that's when we met, I had to do a physical exam.
• 22:44
  Sam: I heard a little BTS story about this meeting and why you were late, dr J, to this meeting.
• 22:56
  Sam: So why?
• 22:56
  Dr. Giles: were you late to your first appointment with him in person?
• 22:57
  Dr. Giles: Because I lived really close to the clinic at the time and I had a student doctor with me who had become a good friend.
• 23:03
  Dr. Giles: I could totally trust him he had also been working with Kim because he was.
• 23:06
  Dr. Giles: he shadowed me a lot and so I told him I was like Duncan, like if they get here, just start with them, get their vitals, talk, chat with them a little bit.
• 23:15
  Dr. Giles: I got to run to my apartment because I I forgot to wear this sweatshirt, that I just got this mushroom sweatshirt.
• 23:21
  Dr. Giles: I have to wear it.
• 23:22
  Dr. Giles: For the first time I'm meeting them in person.
• 23:24
  Dr. Giles: Like I have to wear this one mushroom sweatshirt so I have to run.
• 23:27
  Dr. Giles: I literally ran home, changed, ran back.
• 23:32
  Dr. Giles: They had been there about 10, 15 minutes.
• 23:34
  Dr. Giles: He had gotten vitals.
• 23:35
  Dr. Giles: Duncan was starting to chart and I was like hi guys.
• 23:38
  Kim: And they were like your sweatshirt.
• 23:39
  Dr. Giles: I'm like, yeah, that's why I'm late.
• 23:41
  Sam: I had to wear the mushroom sweatshirt.
• 23:43
  Dr. Giles: This mushroom sweatshirt, this specific one.
• 23:45
  Dr. Giles: I love that.
• 23:46
  Dr. Giles: It's not this one, by the way, no, no, I love that though I love that we are mushroom people.
• 23:51
  Kim: We're loud and proud mushroom people.
• 23:53
  Sam: So the fact that, once again, the mushrooms bring people together is just like always proves this, because they have a how do you, what do you call their network?
• 24:03
  Sam: Mycelial network?
• 24:04
  Sam: They have a mycelial network.
• 24:06
  Sam: So to me and I'm no doctor or scientist or a mushroom grower like Jer, but common sense and just instinct tells me that even when they're growing on the earth, they have this network where they connect.
• 24:19
  Sam: Once we put them into our bodies and consume them and eat them, they're still in us, and so I still think that that network is still active and they still are calling to each other and pulling people together because they're sensing where the other mushrooms are.
• 24:32
  Sam: And that's just my theory.
• 24:34
  Sam: But I think that that's why they connect us and bring us together, because I can't count the number of times throughout my life that mushroom people come together like, are drawn to me and I'm like oh, you're a mushroom person too.
• 24:46
  Dr. Giles: Yeah, no surprise.
• 24:46
  Dr. Giles: And, interestingly, the mycelial network is really the root system of mushrooms and so, being a root cause person, being a root person, the mycelial network are the roots of mushrooms, so there's something poetic about that.
• 24:57
  Sam: I mean, aren't we fungi, yeah, kind of On the earth, like are humans the fungi of the earth?
• 25:02
  Sam: I've heard this before.
• 25:03
  Sam: I'm not sure really what that means.
• 25:05
  Dr. Giles: I mean, I think humans are kind of the king of the earth, sorry to say Well, but there's light and dark of all.
• 25:10
  Sam: We're definitely absorbing everything around us Because I as a human being, am not operating my life as a king.
• 25:17
  Sam: Right, I'm definitely a little mushroom.
• 25:21
  Kim: I'm operating as a Virgo.
• 25:24
  Sam: I'm operating as an alien, I guess.
• 25:29
  Kim: I mean that's possible Work time traveler?
• 25:31
  Kim: Yeah.
• 25:34
  Sam: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:35
  Kim: Yeah, we'll come back to that.
• 25:36
  Kim: Kim's past self saw us all sitting here in this mansion I did Filming this podcast and that is why we're here and really, we are our future selves reporting back to our past selves right now, in real time.
• 25:48
  Kim: This is Kim's time theory.
• 25:48
  Kim: How do we all know all of this?
• 25:49
  Kim: Okay, we won't.
• 25:50
  Kim: We will talk about that later.
• 25:52
  Kim: That's some BTS B-roll right there.
• 25:55
  Dr. Giles: That may be a little too deep.
• 25:57
  Sam: People are like woo-woo.
• 25:59
  Kim: Just like just leave a little bit of it.
• 26:00
  Kim: They'll be like tell us more about the time.
• 26:02
  Kim: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 26:02
  Kim: Everyone's like yeah, um but y'all really got.
• 26:06
  Sam: Y'all really got rolling on your journey together and so you got the sgb.
• 26:10
  Sam: Everything changed.
• 26:10
  Sam: You were able to dump and open up and really speak and connect.
• 26:13
  Sam: So then you guys kept putting yeah, because by that point in time, the june.
• 26:18
  Kim: It was june and I started doing parasite cleanse right after that.
• 26:21
  Kim: Nice, nice, because I was really at a good space, but I wasn't at the best space, yeah, and we just couldn't figure out how to move the needle.
• 26:29
  Kim: I got my stelae ganglia block I was doing so much better.
• 26:32
  Kim: It opened up my space in my mind to be able to then navigate.
• 26:35
  Kim: Could I have worms Right Like?
• 26:38
  Sam: seriously, it was just a few days later.
• 26:40
  Sam: Because there was, you could come in now because there was space for it to come in.
• 26:42
  Sam: It wasn't.
• 26:43
  Sam: Your mind wasn't overloaded with all this noise.
• 26:45
  Sam: So this idea enters, like I could possibly have worms Right.
• 26:48
  Kim: So when I was scrolling with purpose I ended up coming across that girl's TikTok video and she was talking about how worms almost unalived herself, and obviously I stopped and I was like, oh, what I've just been through, is this a possible thing?
• 27:03
  Kim: And then I remember getting a test and then I got positive on the test from parasitesorg and I immediately called you and said I'm not sure what to do and you said I've been in the same place where I've also had worms, and it wouldn't test positive.
• 27:18
  Sam: You had worms before.
• 27:19
  Kim: Yeah, I got worms in.
• 27:20
  Dr. Giles: Bali Dr J had worms in Bali.
• 27:21
  Dr. Giles: Yeah, I got worms in Bali.
• 27:22
  Sam: Dr J had worms in Bali.
• 27:24
  Dr. Giles: I was like I got you, I know.
• 27:27
  Kim: Because no one would believe me.
• 27:28
  Kim: And so I said I'm not sure what to do here, j Dr Giles, I'm not sure what to do, and she goes don't worry about it, I've got you.
• 27:36
  Kim: I had worms one time in Bali and I'm like girl, what do you mean?
• 27:44
  Sam: And she yep.
• 27:44
  Sam: So how did you?
• 27:44
  Dr. Giles: get worms in Bali.
• 27:45
  Dr. Giles: I was there for two months and I forgot to brush my teeth with bottled water one time, one time, and that's all it took.
• 27:52
  Dr. Giles: That's all it took, and I knew that I had worms because I had a bunch of symptoms that I was.
• 27:57
  Dr. Giles: First of all, I was seeing them.
• 27:58
  Dr. Giles: Second of all, I had a bunch of symptoms that I had never had in my life, and so there was a clear delta, there was a clear change.
• 28:05
  Dr. Giles: Like you were seeing them come out in the toilet, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.
• 28:08
  Dr. Giles: And um, and I could feel them.
• 28:10
  Kim: I could feel them coming out at night basically, and it was messing with my sleep and all that, yeah, no like did you get some scotch tape?
• 28:16
  Kim: No, I didn't even.
• 28:17
  Dr. Giles: I didn't even have to because I had the symptoms.
• 28:20
  Kim: And I knew I was like.
• 28:21
  Dr. Giles: I know exactly what this is.
• 28:22
  Dr. Giles: I know where this came from.
• 28:23
  Dr. Giles: Went to the naturopathic clinic for my school.
• 28:27
  Dr. Giles: They tested me and said we can't find anything.
• 28:29
  Dr. Giles: It's totally normal.
• 28:30
  Dr. Giles: We can't treat you because it's the treatment like.
• 28:33
  Sam: The risks of treatment outweigh the benefits if we can't find anything and I was like, yeah, sidebar you were seeing worms in the toilet, yep, you were feeling them come out at night and you got tested for worms and it came back negative, correct.
• 28:46
  Sam: So just a testament to everyone.
• 28:49
  Sam: We do always talk about this, but these parasite tests are not always accurate and a lot of the time they're not.
• 28:55
  Sam: I was tested before I tested.
• 28:57
  Sam: I got my gut tested and it did come back positive, but I can't count the number of times we hear people report back in the community that they got tested and they came back negative and there's so many variables and factors under why they only test a small amount of the stool, whatever.
• 29:12
  Sam: There's all these different things, but do not depend or rely just on test results to decide if you have parasites or not.
• 29:20
  Sam: A parify cleanse isn't going to do you harm either way.
• 29:25
  Sam: It's going to help you no matter what.
• 29:27
  Sam: And if you have a hunch or instinct that you have parasites or worms, I would just go ahead and pull the trigger and do a parify cleanse.
• 29:34
  Kim: Well, I say do it three to four times a year.
• 29:36
  Kim: I mean, we're just exposed all day, every day, like you, just don't even know your water.
• 29:45
  Sam: Water and volley water in Bali water.
• 29:51
  Kim: And that kind of was like a light bulb moment, because when after when we figured out that I had worms and then I started cleansing, so I cleansed and then I figured out I had worms and then I figured out it was in my water and it was definitely a contributing factor that you had got it when you brush your teeth in Bali.
• 30:03
  Dr. Giles: Yep, Absolutely.
• 30:04
  Dr. Giles: Yeah, and there was.
• 30:05
  Dr. Giles: I tell patients this all the time.
• 30:07
  Dr. Giles: There was no paraffin kit, so I had, and they wouldn't treat me so I had.
• 30:11
  Dr. Giles: And I was in my first quarter of medical school so I didn't even like, I knew only what I had taught myself, and so I had to get online and read everything I could possibly read about what natural things kill.
• 30:23
  Kim: This kill pinworms and spin worms, and that's hard.
• 30:26
  Kim: Pinworms are difficult, they're lice of the butt.
• 30:28
  Dr. Giles: Thank God, thank God I had just gotten it.
• 30:31
  Dr. Giles: I got symptoms really quickly, I knew what they were and so I was able to treat it super early and I just stayed on it.
• 30:39
  Dr. Giles: I had to, I had to stay on this protocol that I created for myself for about six or eight weeks, daily on it, on it, on it, on it, and I continued to treat for at least a month after I had no symptoms because I knew there's still eggs, there's still the life cycle.
• 30:55
  Dr. Giles: I just kept going with it and it was a lot of also fiber to bind and get it out and that was part of the whole thing.
• 31:01
  Dr. Giles: So thank God they never came back.
• 31:04
  Dr. Giles: I could definitely tell from symptoms because I was symptomatic and I knew exactly what they were.
• 31:09
  Dr. Giles: Honestly, within probably a week of starting my protocol, all the symptoms started getting better.
• 31:17
  Dr. Giles: But again, I was just so on it and diligent because I was extremely motivated to not let them come back.
• 31:23
  Dr. Giles: It was horrifying, I was so worried.
• 31:25
  Kim: I was horrified.
• 31:26
  Kim: It was horrifying.
• 31:26
  Kim: What makes it so good for me to be the worm queen?
• 31:29
  Kim: Specifically because I get it like it's when you feel so invaded.
• 31:34
  Dr. Giles: Oh, so like you are so like so invaded.
• 31:37
  Dr. Giles: Yeah yeah, it's so intrusive, so intrusive, so intrusive, intrusive.
• 31:42
  Sam: Yeah, I've been cleansing for going on two years now.
• 31:46
  Sam: Okay, off and on.
• 31:47
  Sam: Lots of purified cleanses Okay, they're still exiting my nose.
• 31:51
  Kim: They just they just they reproduce so fast.
• 31:55
  Kim: It's really hard to like gain control and you've even done big P.
• 31:59
  Kim: So synth synthetics and you've rotated and it's just a process Like I saw one a couple of weeks ago.
• 32:06
  Sam: So that not feeling good right before they exit is like a big thing, and it could possibly be the moment they're dying or something Well, and they're pulling your body's pulling the energy in order for you to be able to push it out more.
• 32:20
  Kim: So it's like gathering all of the energy to that one way of pushing that toxin out of your body.
• 32:26
  Kim: So you're not feeling that and then it's also them dying.
• 32:30
  Dr. Giles: Yeah as they die and they're releasing pee poo, which is called a what so, as they die?
• 32:35
  Dr. Giles: it activates basically the allergic type pathway.
• 32:39
  Dr. Giles: It's called a Herxheimer response, histamine degranulation.
• 32:42
  Dr. Giles: First of all that's neurotoxic, so it causes a lot of mental and emotional imbalance and a lot of brain fog and feeling really off.
• 32:49
  Dr. Giles: But it is basically a systemic inflammatory response or allergic type response.
• 32:55
  Dr. Giles: That happens anytime that there's a parasite dying in your body, even if it's just one.
• 32:59
  Dr. Giles: But of course if you're riddled with them, that die off is going to be a lot greater and it's going to cause systemic symptoms.
• 33:05
  Dr. Giles: That's called a Herxheimer reaction.
• 33:07
  Dr. Giles: It's well documented in medical literature.
• 33:09
  Sam: Yeah, the good news is it's always temporary and it's better out than in.
• 33:13
  Sam: So you don't want these things living in you.
• 33:15
  Sam: So any kind of fear of die off symptoms or having that reaction should not prevent you from parasite cleansing.
• 33:23
  Sam: You need to get them out.
• 33:24
  Sam: So for any first-timers who never have yet, we highly highly recommend that you do go to rogershoodcom and get yourself a Parify kit.
• 33:32
  Sam: Please get a Parify kit for you and your family.
• 33:35
  Sam: You need this in your life.
• 33:37
  Sam: If you've never parasite cleansed before, you need to do one, because you do have them.
• 33:42
  Sam: Everyone comes into contact with them.
• 33:44
  Sam: You can go to rogershoodcom.
• 33:45
  Sam: You can use the code whatseatingu what's eating in the letter U is how we spell it for 10% off all kits, cleanses and products at rogershoodcom.
• 33:52
  Sam: So definitely want to encourage everyone to do that.
• 33:54
  Sam: But if you already are a seasoned cleanser, like we are, you still need to do them because, like I shared, like I've been cleansing now for a while and they're still leaving my body, so we are constantly coming into contact with them, but they also are constantly reproducing as well.
• 34:10
  Sam: So important message cleanse.
• 34:12
  Sam: Thanks.
• 34:14
  Kim: Sam, do you feel like this is becoming a trend with the environmental toxins and parasite?
• 34:22
  Sam: cleansing.
• 34:22
  Sam: Yeah, of course, oh yeah, of course.
• 34:24
  Dr. Giles: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely trending super hard.
• 34:26
  Sam: Well, who do you think made it trend?
• 34:28
  Dr. Giles: Right absolutely.
• 34:29
  Kim: Oh no, I mean, I literally have patients who ask me about you?
• 34:33
  Kim: And they don't know you're my baby.
• 34:35
  Dr. Giles: Or a lot of them don't even know you're my patient.
• 34:37
  Dr. Giles: They're just like so I saw this lady and she's talking about parasite cleansing.
• 34:40
  Dr. Giles: I'm like Kim Rogers and they're like yeah.
• 34:42
  Dr. Giles: And I'm like oh yeah, I know Kim.
• 34:45
  Dr. Giles: I'm like I'm her doctor too, and they're like what, and so then of course they all want to do your kit and so a bunch of people have self decided to do your kit and then or I'll tell them there are other people that I'm like you got to do this Everybody responds.
• 34:57
  Dr. Giles: Everybody responds Like everybody has some.
• 34:59
  Dr. Giles: Like you said, even if somebody doesn't have parasites, it helps with so many other dysbiosis issues and other overgrowth, other nasty things anti-inflammatory.
• 35:10
  Dr. Giles: So everybody generally feels a lot better afterwards, regardless.
• 35:13
  Kim: And you might not know this, but out here in the community but Dr Giles actually helped me formulate the Parify Kit.
• 35:22
  Kim: She and I went over the herbs because this wasn't really my forte at the beginning of all of this.
• 35:27
  Kim: I mean, I come from Western medicine, so charcoal was what we used in the ER to bring someone back that overdosed or had alcohol poisoning.
• 35:36
  Kim: It wasn't anything like, oh, you take a microdose of this and then it helps pull toxins.
• 35:40
  Kim: I'm like what is that?
• 35:41
  Kim: So you helped create the cinnamon, ceylon, cinnamon and coconut activated charcoal.
• 35:47
  Kim: Because when you got me tested for the second time and I still was positive for parasites in my body, that's when you were like, oh, you need to bind.
• 35:54
  Kim: And I'm like, well, I'm doing charcoal and I don't really do well on charcoal, my particular body just doesn't do good on it.
• 36:02
  Kim: And you're like add a little cinnamon.
• 36:04
  Kim: And then I was able to at least cut some of that charcoal and help with inflammation.
• 36:08
  Kim: And little did we know I was also having mold.
• 36:11
  Dr. Giles: Yes, which is where we kind of went deeper into our relationship.
• 36:15
  Dr. Giles: I was taking up on that mold from day one.
• 36:18
  Dr. Giles: I just didn't tell you Behind the scenes in my head.
• 36:20
  Sam: I was like we are going to have to deal with the mold issue.
• 36:23
  Sam: That's not the point.
• 36:24
  Sam: Did you know that?
• 36:25
  Sam: It had to be like down the road, though, because she needed to do certain things first?
• 36:29
  Kim: I think that's what's so great about you as a doctor is that you do order of operation and you make us break the cycle of big pharma.
• 36:40
  Kim: And I say that because you do cycles of supplements.
• 36:44
  Kim: You don't keep the person on the same supplement, you cycle them out and you get them in the mentality to cycle them out.
• 36:51
  Kim: And I used to be.
• 36:52
  Kim: I'd take the same pills every day for like 20 years.
• 36:56
  Kim: Okay, well, those obviously weren't doing a lot for me.
• 36:59
  Kim: So you know, you go in and you slowly work on something.
• 37:03
  Kim: Why do you do that?
• 37:05
  Dr. Giles: Because it's that peeling back the layers, you know, or sometimes, instead of peeling back the layers, I think of it as where there's like a tea kettle, but it's under pressure like a pressure cooker, and we're just slowly breaking out some of the pressure release valve a little bit release valve, a little bit release valve, a little bit, and then eventually the whole thing becomes depressurized and it's in equilibrium.
• 37:28
  Dr. Giles: So either way, whether it's pulling back layers or depressurizing, we can't do it all at once, like there's just no way to do it all at once.
• 37:35
  Dr. Giles: So there's a sequence like the most important thing to kill off first is parasites, because they're invaders in your body, they're stealing your nutrients, they're messing with your histamine, they're causing mass cell reactions.
• 37:49
  Dr. Giles: Like got to get those out first because they're live bodied multicellular organisms.
• 37:52
  Dr. Giles: And then, you know, slowly work our way back from there.
• 37:56
  Dr. Giles: And so we it's never my goal to put somebody on fistfuls of supplements for a lifetime and I'll be like I'll even apologize and be like I'm sorry that you got to take this much, for right now I really wish that I could take you off of something when I'm putting you on something.
• 38:11
  Dr. Giles: But you know, we're just doing it for this period of time, usually two or three months, however long Then we'll retest and then usually a new layer is revealed.
• 38:19
  Dr. Giles: So then I go, we go as a team into the next phase and then that might be mold, or it might be chronic viral infections or it might be whatever else, especially if there's autoimmunity.
• 38:30
  Dr. Giles: There are things triggering that.
• 38:31
  Dr. Giles: So we have to deal with those triggers first before I can even touch the autoimmunity, because otherwise it's just Band-Aids.
• 38:38
  Dr. Giles: So I will go through phases of things, because more is always revealed, especially with complex chronic illness.
• 38:45
  Dr. Giles: I'm not talking about somebody with one main symptom and it's their only symptom.
• 38:49
  Dr. Giles: That's a different situation.
• 38:51
  Dr. Giles: But when it's so multifactorial we can't attack it all at once.
• 38:54
  Dr. Giles: It would be way too much for the body.
• 38:56
  Dr. Giles: Wow.
• 38:57
  Sam: I love continuing to return to the story, because y'all's journey together really is so inspiring and when I first heard it, it touched me so much because I honestly couldn't believe that, um, the doctors left her to die, yeah, and you were like no, we're to save your life.
• 39:20
  Sam: And you knew it.
• 39:22
  Sam: And I'm just so grateful because I'm grateful we all now can sit here and have this conversation from a beautiful home in Seattle with this view and like celebrate life together.
• 39:36
  Sam: Today's actually Dr J's birthday and we're celebrating all day and all week together.
• 39:42
  Sam: And that wouldn't have been possible if you didn't know and have complete confidence, Like all, when you very first started talking, all I heard was confidence, confidence, confidence.
• 39:53
  Sam: And it's so admirable that you had that level of confidence and you're like no, I trust in the human body and I trust in this human spirit and mind and I know we can get it done.
• 40:04
  Dr. Giles: The other thing, the other reason going back to your first question, like how I knew she was going to be okay is something that Western medicine doesn't talk about is seeing somebody's vitality or vital force and I can.
• 40:16
  Dr. Giles: I could see that vital force, that fire burning really strongly Again.
• 40:19
  Dr. Giles: It was buried in there, but I could see that vitality and I was like you think you're going to.
• 40:24
  Dr. Giles: I was like you're not going to die, like you are, you're definitely fully alive.
• 40:28
  Dr. Giles: You're just trapped you know, but I was like and that's something I always assess in people I'm always looking at their vitality, their vital force.
• 40:36
  Dr. Giles: I'm always looking.
• 40:37
  Dr. Giles: If somebody looks like I just you feeling okay, anything going on, like you know what's up, I can just see if somebody even is just a little drained, or if they look really bright, I'm like, whoa, you're looking really bright, like what's shifted, like something's changed for you.
• 40:54
  Sam: And it's like their inner fire, their inner flame.
• 40:55
  Sam: Her ember was burning.
• 40:55
  Sam: Her ember was burning, it just needed to be fanning.
• 40:58
  Sam: Yeah, exactly.
• 41:04
  Dr. Giles: And fans, yeah, exactly, and just some support, yeah, yeah, it's all in it, yeah, exactly.
• 41:07
  Dr. Giles: So that vitality, that vital force that we, in naturopathic medicine, we call it the vice medicatrix, nature, which is, like the, the vital force of nature and it was.
• 41:12
  Dr. Giles: It was still very strong in her.
• 41:13
  Dr. Giles: I was like you're definitely not like you're definitely not.
• 41:16
  Kim: I know when somebody is on you're not on your way out of here, yeah, but like mentally you're still here Physically.
• 41:21
  Dr. Giles: I looked a disaster Right, but it's in the eyes.
• 41:25
  Dr. Giles: It's difficult.
• 41:27
  Sam: And again, she wasn't just looking at one thing, she was looking deeply.
• 41:30
  Sam: It's the whole.
• 41:31
  Dr. Giles: It's the whole yeah and it's something that's difficult.
• 41:33
  Dr. Giles: I learned about it in theory when I was in school, but it's something now.
• 41:38
  Dr. Giles: That's just part of my assessment.
• 41:39
  Dr. Giles: It's like I know when somebody's on the way out.
• 41:43
  Kim: You know, I, just I know it.
• 41:44
  Kim: I know when their vital force is on the way out.
• 41:46
  Dr. Giles: Because you do oncology too.
• 41:47
  Dr. Giles: Right, you're right, so I'm close and personal with that.
• 41:54
  Kim: You're seeing it all day long.
• 41:55
  Kim: I do want to say this about you, dr Giles, is that the level that you have set for other doctors and where I've set the bar is so high because of you.
• 42:05
  Kim: You teach your patients to be their own advocate, and that's so rare.
• 42:10
  Kim: You sit for hours and listen to us you really take it in and to talk about how you navigate the map of the words and navigate the map of what they're saying, so that you can get down to the bottom.
• 42:23
  Kim: So rare, friend, what you do is so rare, and you have set a standard that's very high for other doctors, for me and for a lot of people and my whole family, because they see you have to have someone like you in your corner, especially when you're this ill.
• 42:42
  Kim: Because, like, have to have someone like you in your corner, especially when you're this ill, because, like, what else were we?
• 42:48
  Kim: I mean, we did everything we could do.
• 42:49
  Kim: There wasn't, nothing was left on the table with us, but to have you come in and advocate with me, you said it, you said the team and you include the patient in your team.
• 42:58
  Kim: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 43:00
  Kim: It's just.
• 43:01
  Kim: It's such an amazing thing, thank you.
• 43:03
  Kim: So thank you for being you, because it's really an amazing thing to show other people your light and to be able to show them exactly what they deserve.
• 43:12
  Kim: Yeah, with doctors, with medical, with healthcare like we're all individuals and we're not treated that way and that's really unacceptable.
• 43:20
  Sam: It is unacceptable.
• 43:21
  Sam: We're all unique and you are a unique doctor.
• 43:24
  Sam: I'm so grateful I got to meet Dr J through Kim and now we're very close friends and she's now helping me get my blood work done so that I can balance hormones and balance my whole system and everything.
• 43:37
  Sam: And she really is just so special.
• 43:39
  Sam: The way her mind works is so special, but also it's her spirit.
• 43:43
  Sam: It's her natural shamanic approach and spirit and heal and big heart.
• 43:51
  Sam: You know she puts her heart into it.
• 43:54
  Sam: You know, and so, yeah, you also are really gifted.
• 43:57
  Sam: So, yeah, very rare, very rare.
• 43:59
  Sam: All right Back to the journey y'all so.
• 44:02
  Sam: Kim parasite cleansed.
• 44:04
  Sam: Yeah, she posted a video on TikTok talking about dead carcasses everywhere and went super viral.
• 44:11
  Sam: This was three months after meeting Dr J.
• 44:14
  Kim: Okay so everything changed.
• 44:16
  Sam: From that point on, her entire life changed.
• 44:19
  Sam: She went viral.
• 44:20
  Sam: She built Rogers.
• 44:21
  Sam: She founded and built Rogers Hood.
• 44:23
  Sam: She created the Parify cleanse Now we even have a little back behind the curtain view and who helped, like with the formulations and the herbs, to make sure everything was right.
• 44:33
  Sam: I think that's so beautiful.
• 44:34
  Sam: You guys collabed on that Well.
• 44:35
  Kim: I remember even you coming out to the log home while we were still in the travel trailer.
• 44:40
  Kim: We were not even close to being done with any of it, and I showed you everything too.
• 44:47
  Kim: I even showed you the box before anyone else saw it oh that's so cool.
• 44:51
  Dr. Giles: You got to see one of the first boxes, oh yeah.
• 44:54
  Kim: Because we had this weird tweed thing.
• 44:56
  Sam: I mean the OG kit was a while.
• 44:57
  Sam: That's so cool, though I love that.
• 45:00
  Sam: Now question for you when you entered that travel trailer, did you know there was mold in there?
• 45:06
  Dr. Giles: Oh, hell, yes, I knew there was mold in there from probably three minutes into talking to Kim.
• 45:11
  Dr. Giles: I was like, and eventually, once I knew I jumped on the opportunity, once I knew that she was ready for that and once the parasites had been primarily dealt with, your eyes swelling.
• 45:29
  Kim: Yeah my eyes swelled shut, and that was starting in the summer, right, yeah, when we shut everything down, yep and all of a sudden her eyes swelled shut and I was like this is a histamine reaction.
• 45:38
  Dr. Giles: I was like it could be that the parasites are hanging on, but I don't think so.
• 45:41
  Dr. Giles: Yeah, that's how I felt too.
• 45:42
  Dr. Giles: That's why I reached out.
• 45:49
  Kim: And I was like no, and I and viruses and chronic viruses.
• 45:53
  Dr. Giles: Epstein-Barr Epstein-Barr virus or EBV and cytomegalovirus which is CMV.
• 45:57
  Kim: They're cousins.
• 45:57
  Dr. Giles: They're both in the gamma herpes viral family and they both cause a lot of issues.
• 46:02
  Dr. Giles: A lot of people have infections with them and they can drag down the system a lot.
• 46:06
  Sam: Did y'all know she had yet?
• 46:08
  Sam: No, that didn't even come to mind, and actually Lyme.
• 46:11
  Kim: when I found out I had Lyme, it was just me going rogue because I have all these doctors that are my friends, and so I was like, listen, could you go give me a Vibrant test?
• 46:20
  Kim: Could you go get me this test?
• 46:22
  Kim: I just want to test this because I really do enjoy exploring what's going on in my body.
• 46:27
  Sam: Talk about Dr J's ideal patient, that's what I'm saying, complex, chronic illness.
• 46:33
  Sam: Kim has a laundry list of chronic illnesses, but also is extremely motivated to figure it out and to co-participate in getting better.
• 46:42
  Dr. Giles: That's what I mean.
• 46:43
  Dr. Giles: That's why it's like, that's why I was like a million and 8%.
• 46:46
  Dr. Giles: I got you.
• 46:47
  Dr. Giles: As long as you're, as long as you stay this on board, we will figure anything out.
• 46:51
  Kim: It's obvious why you needed a unique unicorn doctor and someone that I could ask could you do this for me, could you do this for me?
• 46:58
  Kim: And then we collabed together because, honestly, if I hadn't had endometriosis, I probably would have continued on to medical school, but because my chronic illness took me back, I wasn't able to continue on to what, really, what I thought at that time was my final destination of my career.
• 47:15
  Kim: Yeah, and really, this is the final destination.
• 47:18
  Dr. Giles: You were made to be the worm queen worm whisperer for sure, this is your calling, but again.
• 47:26
  Sam: I love what we just mentioned, though, about first, dr J said well, we knew the parasites had been dealt with.
• 47:34
  Kim: That layer was like dealt with.
• 47:36
  Sam: So then we knew we needed to move on to the mold, and again, this just brings us back to what we're always saying about the order in which to do things.
• 47:43
  Sam: What did you call that, though?
• 47:44
  Sam: My order of operations?
• 47:46
  Sam: Order of operations is parify, cleanse first, at least two to three times times, because you really want to address the parasites first, because they hold on to the heavy metals, the viruses, the bad bacteria, the spores, and this is why I brought in those other herbs because of the fact that I didn't have Epstein-Barr virus prior.
• 48:06
  Kim: It dumped it in my body.
• 48:07
  Kim: Got it and I know I'd been tested for EBV before and it always tested negative Right Got it, and I know I'd been tested for EBV before and it always tested negative Right.
• 48:15
  Kim: So whatever I was doing wasn't the correct steps when I did my parasite cleanse, because I dumped these viruses that they were holding on to, and then also realizing that the next step after the parasites was major mold and inflammation.
• 48:26
  Kim: And so then I realized, oh well, they were dumping spores because I wasn't binding at the beginning of all of this.
• 48:33
  Kim: So basically I just dumped the garbage inside my body and then my body's like we've never had any of these and you weren't binding, you didn't want to bind.
• 48:43
  Dr. Giles: So everything was just free flowing and causing damage, but this is actually beautiful.
• 48:47
  Sam: This brings me back to when we interviewed Dr Cohn.
• 48:49
  Sam: He said something that will stay with me forever If you do the right thing at the wrong time, it's the wrong thing.
• 49:00
  Sam: So, coming back to the order of operations and cleansing Parify, cleanse first, at least two to three times to really get rid of that load, the parasitic load, because they hold onto so much and they dump so much when they're dying.
• 49:09
  Sam: That's why the Cinnab cinnamon binder that Jay helped formulate is so important.
• 49:14
  Sam: It helps bind that up as you're cleansing.
• 49:16
  Sam: Then move on to the Moldy's cleanse.
• 49:18
  Sam: Yeah, so Moldy's second, after you've already addressed the parasites.
• 49:24
  Dr. Giles: I knew, within minutes of meeting Kim, especially after I knew where they were living, what their living situation was.
• 49:31
  Dr. Giles: I had been in Washington for a long time.
• 49:34
  Kim: The location.
• 49:35
  Kim: The location yeah, because you did tell me a lot about crypto, yeah, and crypto all of it.
• 49:40
  Dr. Giles: So, like I knew that there was crypto out there, giardia in the water, there's tons of water, it's literally like it's a rainforest yeah, so tons of water.
• 49:48
  Dr. Giles: And then also, knowing I was like there's no way that that place is sealed, and I knew there was mold, and so when the eyes swelled, when Kim's eyes swelled, I was like it's time we're starting to go for the mold and I was like Kim, you need.
• 50:03
  Dr. Giles: I was like okay, I want.
• 50:04
  Dr. Giles: And you're like I don't think I've really.
• 50:06
  Dr. Giles: You're like I've seen little bits maybe here and there, but I haven't really seen that much mold.
• 50:09
  Dr. Giles: Like I've kind of looked and I was like it's there somewhere.
• 50:12
  Dr. Giles: I want you to find it.
• 50:13
  Dr. Giles: And that was the end of that visit.
• 50:15
  Dr. Giles: So right away she went and lifted the mattress.
• 50:19
  Dr. Giles: You should tell the story.
• 50:20
  Dr. Giles: Oh, we've told the story.
• 50:21
  Sam: Oh, yeah, everyone tune in.
• 50:22
  Sam: Tune into our mold episode.
• 50:25
  Sam: Kim does tell the whole story about how she flipped over their foam travel trailer mattress and it was covered in black mold.
• 50:33
  Sam: She was definitely.
• 50:34
  Sam: She also pulled furniture away from the walls covered in black mold.
• 50:38
  Sam: So definitely tune into our mold episode.
• 50:40
  Sam: That's already out.
• 50:41
  Sam: She goes into the whole story of how she discovered it, what happened and how she cleansed herself of it.
• 50:46
  Kim: Well, and it was the day before that I got my test results and I opened them really late that night and I remember like should I text Jay right now.
• 50:56
  Dr. Giles: Like what should I do?
• 50:58
  Kim: Because we were on Instagram together so I could send you messages anytime.
• 51:02
  Kim: And then I remember going I'm just going to go to bed and go to sleep.
• 51:05
  Kim: I'm going to wake up and I'm going to talk more to Jeremy about it.
• 51:07
  Kim: But I remember laying down and Jeremy going how are your test results?
• 51:10
  Kim: And I'm like it's fine, we'll talk about it tomorrow, it's all good.
• 51:14
  Kim: So he wakes up thinking it's all good, no big deal.
• 51:18
  Kim: So then when I tell him, I'm like listen, we have to move, like we have to leave right now, and he goes what do you mean?
• 51:25
  Kim: I go, my test results were not good.
• 51:26
  Kim: He goes you said they were good.
• 51:28
  Kim: And I'm like I got to get.
• 51:30
  Kim: I got to get.
• 51:30
  Kim: Jay Hold on, and I'm like he's not wanting to leave Jay.
• 51:33
  Kim: I'm like, well, how, what should we do here?
• 51:36
  Kim: Like how should I handle this, Because you know my husband's also?
• 51:39
  Dr. Giles: full of mold.
• 51:40
  Kim: Exactly Right, and he didn't have a doctor.
• 51:42
  Kim: No, like it was really.
• 51:47
  Kim: You finally took his care over after like a year, and it of just the fact that, like we are a lot, like two people, came to you parasites, mold you know we were a lot, so there's a reason why you like to also treat the spouse or partner.
• 52:00
  Dr. Giles: So why is that?
• 52:01
  Dr. Giles: Because it's it's part, it's ethically with you know the Hippocratic oath and all of that I feel like I.
• 52:09
  Dr. Giles: It's just, it's an ethical thing for me.
• 52:12
  Dr. Giles: I know for a fact I'll just use him as an example when Kim had crypto and we caught crypto and I had to treat the crypto.
• 52:19
  Dr. Giles: If I don't treat Jer, he's just going to pass it right back to her and so same with strep throat or something like that.
• 52:26
  Dr. Giles: If she gets acute strep throat and he isn't treated, he's going to be infected and he's just going to reinfect her.
• 52:32
  Dr. Giles: So it's part of my.
• 52:34
  Dr. Giles: Nobody taught me this.
• 52:35
  Dr. Giles: It's technically probably not what I'm supposed to do, but it is for the best and to do no harm for my patient.
• 52:42
  Dr. Giles: I have to treat the partner too.
• 52:47
  Dr. Giles: Well kind of common sense.
• 52:48
  Dr. Giles: We all share the same microbiome, exactly, exactly.
• 52:49
  Dr. Giles: So it just makes sense that we're all sharing.
• 52:53
  Sam: Exactly.
• 52:53
  Sam: We're all sharing, so if your pet has worms, should you also deworm.
• 52:57
  Dr. Giles: A million percent yes, and definitely if you know your pet has worms.
• 53:04
  Sam: Just I mean no words, OK, absolutely yes, Every any and everyone who has a pet a cat, a dog, a pig, a sheep.
• 53:10
  Sam: If they have worms and you've had to deworm them, please purify, cleanse and deworm yourself.
• 53:18
  Dr. Giles: Okay, yeah, or definitely toxo anything like that.
• 53:21
  Dr. Giles: Don't mess with it.
• 53:23
  Kim: Yeah, what do you feel you did Like?
• 53:26
  Kim: What made you do all of these things in your life to get you to this point, jay?
• 53:31
  Sam: What her calling.
• 53:31
  Kim: Yeah, Like this is your calling and you know it and you stepped into your light and you stepped into your power.
• 53:36
  Kim: It's pretty amazing, it's.
• 53:38
  Dr. Giles: I mean it's since I was a kid.
• 53:40
  Dr. Giles: I was super intuitive, I was always kind of a therapist for everybody.
• 53:43
  Dr. Giles: I was always I'm a classic middle child, classic kind of savant sort of person, and so there was always that and I always had kind of awarenesses about things that I couldn't put into words whatever.
• 53:57
  Dr. Giles: But really it was me going through a very traumatic childhood, a lot of chronic illness that was totally disregarded by the medical establishment and by my whole entire family.
• 54:09
  Dr. Giles: Nobody listened to me.
• 54:10
  Dr. Giles: They gaslit me and told me it was all in my head, even though I have a really severe autoimmune disease that I diagnosed myself with in my mid 30s because nobody would listen to me my whole life.
• 54:21
  Dr. Giles: So there was that background, a lot of trauma, a lot of acting out, really just kind of the classic healer's journey of like I had to really basically almost lose my life to build myself up from the embers and rebuild my life, and that happened.
• 54:36
  Dr. Giles: I'm really fortunate that happened really young for me, when I was about 20, I had kind of my primary awakening, but then it took me a lot of years to get the foundation right, to get the food right, the exercise right, my mind right, all of that mind, body, spirit, everything get it back into balance.
• 54:55
  Dr. Giles: And then I just had this aha moment.
• 54:58
  Dr. Giles: I was going back to school, thinking I was going to be studying languages.
• 55:01
  Dr. Giles: That's what I was going back for and literally at the exact we started.
• 55:06
  Dr. Giles: I started a week of classes and then it was Labor Day and so we had a three-day weekend and for the first time I met a natural doctor who was totally self-taught, middle of nowhere, rural Wisconsin, but we looked in each other's eyes and it was just immediate knowing.
• 55:23
  Dr. Giles: And I went back.
• 55:23
  Dr. Giles: It was even before Google existed.
• 55:25
  Dr. Giles: I had to go to Ask Jeeves.
• 55:26
  Dr. Giles: I went back to my apartment and went to Ask Jeeves and was like, how do I become a natural doctor?
• 55:34
  Dr. Giles: And there was basically no nothing.
• 55:37
  Dr. Giles: I looked at DOs.
• 55:38
  Dr. Giles: I was like no, I don't want to be an osteopath.
• 55:40
  Dr. Giles: I looked at chiropractors no, I don't want to be a chiropractor.
• 55:42
  Dr. Giles: And then I saw the Bastyr website and it was for naturopathic medicine and I read all about their philosophy, their approach to treatment, like the whole thing.
• 55:55
  Dr. Giles: I even had had a really crazy experience coming through Seattle once years prior to that knowing in my body.
• 55:59
  Dr. Giles: Whoa, I'm going to spend a long time here Same.
• 56:03
  Dr. Giles: I had felt that when I came to Seattle too Crazy and I was like I had never expected that I was just passing through.
• 56:08
  Dr. Giles: So the fact that the school is even in Seattle.
• 56:11
  Dr. Giles: I was like there's something I was like, okay, there's.
• 56:13
  Dr. Giles: And so I, literally after Labor Day, went for the only time I ever went to talk to a school counselor and was like I need to do.
• 56:22
  Dr. Giles: I want to do Languages and Cultures of Asia, to study Sanskrit and Eastern philosophy, theology, all of that, and I want to double major in pre-med.
• 56:31
  Dr. Giles: And help me figure out my schedule.
• 56:33
  Dr. Giles: How, how quick can I do this?
• 56:35
  Kim: what's the?
• 56:35
  Dr. Giles: shortest amount of time I can do this, and she was like, wow, you're really lucky, it just all maps out perfectly thanks, jeeves.
• 56:42
  Dr. Giles: Yeah, exactly thanks and then after she was like you'll be done in two and a half years, double majored, if as long as you do max credits per per semester, you'll be done in two and a half years.
• 56:53
  Dr. Giles: And I was like done, okay, announce my majors and I'm going down this path.
• 56:57
  Dr. Giles: Hadn't studied science, didn't even know if it was possible, didn't know, you know, had no idea if it was just all trailblazing ahead, because I just I knew there was just this moment.
• 57:09
  Dr. Giles: I call it a Satori sort of flash of aware, of clarity, of knowing your time traveling self, came back and told you Yep, that's pretty much what happened.
• 57:17
  Dr. Giles: And then I was on a mission and I was, and it took a lot of years and a lot of blood, sweat and tears, but I got there.
• 57:28
  Dr. Giles: And so that was the beginning, you know, and I've had many moments since, but it was nothing I ever thought I would do.
• 57:31
  Dr. Giles: When I was a kid, you know, I wanted to be a marine biologist.
• 57:34
  Dr. Giles: Then I wanted to be a linguist.
• 57:35
  Dr. Giles: I studied all these languages, french, all these classics.
• 57:39
  Dr. Giles: I wanted to be a cryptanalyst, linguistic codebreaker.
• 57:42
  Dr. Giles: Like I did not think I was going to be down the road to become any kind of health doctor Nobody in my family is, but it was just meeting that guy and the conversation that we had Pythagoras, the golden ratio, ayurveda, the elements, pulse diagnosis I was in I was already on that.
• 58:01
  Dr. Giles: I had already been on that with my yoga practice.
• 58:03
  Dr. Giles: So I already had some awareness of Ayurveda.
• 58:06
  Dr. Giles: I was already getting into herbs.
• 58:08
  Dr. Giles: There was something that was already igniting because of how early I was, or how early I started yoga, practicing yoga as a kid, so there was something already stirring, but it was meeting him that was the catalyst that really fanned that flame for it to ignite.
• 58:23
  Sam: Yeah, the universe was like.
• 58:24
  Sam: That's so cute, you can just do duolingo in your spare time as a hobby, but this is what you're meant to do.
• 58:30
  Kim: You're really a healer.
• 58:31
  Kim: You're a healer in multiple languages.
• 58:34
  Dr. Giles: You'll learn languages for fun in your free time and you can use that down the road when you go go other places.
• 58:41
  Dr. Giles: That'll be useful when we travel to go.
• 58:43
  Kim: look at other people's parasites.
• 58:44
  Kim: Yeah, you were drawn to it for a reason.
• 58:46
  Kim: It's still part of your life but it wasn't the main character.
• 58:50
  Kim: It wasn't the main character in your story.
• 58:52
  Sam: This is so beautiful.
• 58:53
  Sam: It's been absolutely wonderful having you.
• 58:56
  Sam: I think it was really the work that you guys have done together is profound and it speaks volumes, for when you do find a doctor who really is a holistic approach, root cause approach type of doctor, you really can get to the root and heal yourself.
• 59:13
  Sam: Kim is living proof.
• 59:14
  Sam: I mean we touched on a little of their story and there's even so much more after that that they uncovered and discovered over the years I mean even just in the past year discovered pandas right Autoimmune encephalitis.
• 59:26
  Kim: So we were able to treat that all these new things that have happened, so they.
• 59:29
  Sam: so it's a journey.
• 59:30
  Kim: It.
• 59:30
  Kim: It's a journey, it's not all linear, it keeps unfolding and revealing new pieces to the puzzle.
• 59:36
  Sam: But it really like puzzle kept coming up for me every time I hear you talk.
• 59:40
  Sam: It's like it's a puzzle and when you have someone who's patient, their heart is right, their spirit is right, they're not driven by the ulterior motives or wrong motivations like a lot of western medicine can be.
• 59:53
  Sam: It seems like you can just really stay focused on completing the puzzle and putting the whole picture together.
• 1:00:01
  Kim: And.
• 1:00:01
  Sam: I think that's so beautiful and it is an ongoing thing, Like you've built a really beautiful friendship relationship.
• 1:00:08
  Kim: So thankful for you, so am I so thankful.
• 1:00:11
  Sam: I mean, y'all have a path.
• 1:00:12
  Sam: You walked in for life.
• 1:00:13
  Sam: Oh, walked in for life.
• 1:00:15
  Sam: We knew that.
• 1:00:15
  Sam: We knew that from day one, yeah, instantly.
• 1:00:18
  Dr. Giles: We knew that.
• 1:00:18
  Dr. Giles: I knew it when you came to my property.
• 1:00:20
  Sam: Absolutely, because it was rough.
• 1:00:22
  Kim: I was in not a good space and you came out there and you were like I'm literally never going to leave you.
• 1:00:28
  Kim: Kim and I have followed her to another clinic.
• 1:00:31
  Kim: I followed her to Neuroveda.
• 1:00:33
  Kim: So wherever she goes, giles is like I'm even willing.
• 1:00:37
  Kim: When we move, we're going to fly her because now she sees my whole family.
• 1:00:43
  Sam: And you'll get to fly out in Kim Rogers style, which is bougie and comfortable and nice, but could not have asked for a better first guest to have on what's Eating.
• 1:00:57
  Kim: You.
• 1:00:57
  Dr. Giles: I mean it just?
• 1:00:58
  Sam: couldn't be, any more perfect than you.
• 1:01:01
  Sam: We love you and adore you.
• 1:01:03
  Sam: Thank you for being here.
• 1:01:05
  Sam: Thank you for being here.
• 1:01:06
  Kim: Thank you for having me and happy birthday, happy birthday, happy birthday.
• 1:01:10
  Sam: Dr J, by the time y'all see this, it'll be past.
• 1:01:12
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