Latest / Share Your Fire / Share Your Fire, Ep. 2-3: "It All Started As a Bun" (Kerrie Gordon)
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- John Verrico: Hey there, welcome to another edition of Share Your Fire. My guest today is just an amazing, heartwarming individual who just wants to share. You know, sometimes things that happen in your life, an opportunity will come up, you take advantage of that opportunity, and it winds up being so life-changing, so intensely inspiring for you that you want to share that experience with others. My guest today, Kerrie Gordon, is a coach, but she relatively recently became an international best selling author, being part of a collaboration book called The Art of Connection, 365 Days of Resilience quotes. The experience was so amazing for her that she said, Wow, I wish I'd been able to experience this younger in my life. And so now she's creating opportunities to create authors out of school children. So let's Get into this discussion. Let's bring in Kerrie Gordon. Kerrie. Kerrie Gordon: Yes, how are you? John Verrico: Good, how ya doing? Kerrie Gordon: I am great. Sorry for that craziness. I figured I would better plug in my laptop so I can stay connected the full time since we had a little bit of hiccups at the beginning, but I hear John Verrico: There's always fun. Technology is always interesting, isn't it? Kerrie Gordon: It is, it is John. And thank you for inviting me to your podcast. This is gonna be such an amazing experience for me and hopefully for our guests. John Verrico: Absolutely. Now I know that you're normally you're a coach primarily for women, helping them to kind of overcome imposter syndrome and to realize their real potential. So let's kind of talk a little bit about how that evolved for you and how you wound up in that field, and then we can go into where you're going now. Kerrie Gordon: Yeah. So I'll do a very quick like bridge over from where I was. So I owned a swim school in Seattle, thirty-five years teaching children how to swim. And then in December of twenty twenty two, the building nearly collapsed. It was I should I should say it became very not we weren't able to teach at the facility. And so I was left after 35 years trying to figure out who I had become who I could become as I moved into this next season of my life. And in doing that, I discovered that in teaching with the kids, that I had discovered that coaching was gonna be my next section of life. And so as I started down that training and stuff, I had met a few people. That really encouraged me to take opportunities that were coming my way. And and one of those John Verrico: One of them is being your grandma, we noticed. You get to you Kerrie Gordon: Yes, yes. She's here and of course now John Verrico: you get to watch one year old Audrey today. Kerrie Gordon: Yes, Audrey. So she'll make her quick a little appearance here. And so thank you for craziness of being a grandma and being here with my granddaughter, who of course now wants to interact with everything on the screen. So as John Verrico: Of course. Kerrie Gordon: I as I have the opportunity to develop more of my coaching skills in working with athletes I became a the high school swim coach as well and stayed in the swimming world and I had the opportunity to meet Vera and she said you know you should take this opportunity of your journey of losing your 35 year business, discovering you have breast cancer and trying to create and take advantage of the opportunities that are coming my way and step into them. And in doing that, I was connected to the community of three sixty five Art of Connections. Three and as I joined in with that community, I had the chance to be published as an author in the Resilience one. I think it's the fifth of the book this year. John Verrico: Yeah, it's the Art Art of Connection, three hundred and sixty-five days of resilience quotes. And for those of Kerrie Gordon: Sorry. John Verrico: you who are not familiar with that book, it's there's over three hundred authors who've each provided their perspective on what resilience means to them and how you can have more resilience in your life when life throws you a monkey wrench. In this case, changing your whole career path after thirty-five years because of you know, structural issues with a building. So having to change your career from being a swim coach to to finding something new. And then the the devastating diagnosis, the frightening diagnosis of breast cancer. And these things happen around the same time. Kerrie Gordon: Yes, two months apart. So my yeah, so when our the bus when we had to close the business, it was this whirlwind of wow, what are we doing now? And then it the diagnosis of breast cancer. So that was in December and then we decided when we couldn't go back in January because we realized it was longer than a short apologize. A short closure, that's when I was diagnosed with breast cancer. And after I finished that, I that's when I found that coaching was being able to take my skills as a business owner, mentoring my employees through the the years. We ended up having at the before we had to close, we we survived through COVID. And before we had to close, John Verrico: Well. Kerrie Gordon: we had nearly 90 employees in our summer program. And so I had always been looking for ways to help people. find their brilliance and just step into teaching. I mean, thousands and thousands of young swimmers throughout in the Seattle area were touched by my one-on-one lessons and I realized that I had been nurturing my nurturing my employees this whole time. So stepping into the coaching arena was just a nice sidestep. It took me a few years to really feel like I was in that arena without trying to continue the training loop of I need more, I need to be better, I need more. And so that's when after John Verrico: Sounds like sounds like the imposter syndrome that you try to help people overcome. Kerrie Gordon: Absolutely for sure. I it was big. It was a nice big hat I was wearing. And I was I've always felt like I would get ready. And then then that syndrome of I can't, I'm not ready yet would put me into more teaching, more coaching, more training. And so it was this vicious cycle for sure. And when I then had the chance to Be in my first book, which is Heal to Lead, Turning Your Wounds to Wisdom, it really gave me the chance to tell my story. I had an experience on the river. My daughter was a river guide, and it just opened my eyes of how our life is like a river, and sometimes it's calm, and sometimes you're paddling so quickly to just stay in the current without going to the into the areas that you're gonna get stuck or spiral. And so that really opened my eyes to where I was in my own life and I knew that there were other women who would be in that same scenario. So being part of the first collaboration or the anthology of turning your wounds to wisdom, heal to lead, I then came into the art of connection community and didn't really think that again that I'm, you know, an author type. I'm in this spiraling imposter syndrome place. And as I contributed to that book, I had the chance to contribute three different dates, three different stories. And one was my story, a brief one. One was about my mom and her story. And she's an amazing woman in her eighty, she's eighty four and had hurt herself on a cruise ship and so she was going around, she was dancing and kind of hurt herself and so now she's in this wheelchair John Verrico: What is it about dancing on cruise ships? My wife tore her meniscus taking merengue lessons on a cruise ship. Kerrie Gordon: Yeah. And so here she is sitting in this big or this wheelchair being wheeled around, but her brilliance literally was shining because people would just stop and she was on the beach with the big wheelchair that had the big, you know, turbo John Verrico: Mm-hmm. Kerrie Gordon: wheels. But her brilliance I had to tell the story of her just being able to continue going and finding the resilience of I'm on this cruise ship. I'm on this experience. I do not want it to be impacted by what life just gave me. So she's really been a huge example to me of resilience and throughout her whole life, just various things that's just happened. But coming into the Art of Connection community has just was just an amazing experience. Definitely opened my eyes to the possibility. The first this book, the 365 days of connection and resilience. we were able to go to New York, and our book earned the this book in the series earned the number one international bestseller. And we John Verrico: Yep. Kerrie Gordon: had the opportunity to have that book on the Jumbotron in New York. What an experience to see your book for 24 hours on the Jumbotron, you know, standing there like that's That's I'm part of that experience. It was so amazing. John Verrico: Isn't that amazing? Kerrie Gordon: And you know, that's how I came to meet you and being there in person. You know, you get to meet the person from here down. Just give them those hugs that are just so so life changing. And that for me was really the pivot of this experience changed my life in so many different ways, of letting my brilliance come out and say, I am part of this experience. I want to share this with others. And so in April of this year, that's when or we were in the end of March, is when we were in New York together. And when I came home in April, I kept having this idea that I needed to share this experience with others. So I started writing a curriculum of being able to learn how to be an author, but it was focused. My draw kept going to fifth graders. And at the time I wasn't sure why. And then so I just kept writing this curriculum of how they could discover their brilliance, the stories inside, and we all have stories inside of us, and we just need the confidence and the opportunity to let them let them come out. And so John Verrico: It's amazing. We we do have stories, you know, especially especially children who are so imaginative as well. And Kerrie Gordon: Yes. John Verrico: so there's a there's there are stories that are, you know, that that they want to tell that really are happening and then there's stuff that they make up and all of that. I I I was a big storyteller when I was a kid. I used to love to tell stories and I still do. And I think that's that's kind of in in all of us and having the opportunity to have an audience. For your story and to share your story is what really it's it's a marvelous opportunity. And now you are you created this curriculum to help these, and you're focusing right now on fifth graders, how they can learn how to. create the or establish the skills to actually share their story in writing, which is phenomenal. So keep going. Didn't mean to interrupt it, but Kerrie Gordon: Yeah. So I kept getting these thoughts, these promptings, inspiration, just like sometimes downloads that were how this could be put together. So from April to the middle of well, for the month of April, I just was putting this together. Happened that my neighbor is a fourth grade teacher. So I said, What do you think? How would this be for these fourth and fifth graders? And she said, This is brilliant. So I mentioned it to the The she took me directly to the principal and the principal said, Well, you know, that we're near the end of the year. I don't think this we can do it, but I love the idea. So I didn't let that get me discouraged. I figured in our school district, the fifth graders moved to the middle school. And so here they are as a you know, fourth grader top dog going to the middle school as a fifth grader and low man on the totem pole. And it that's when I felt like this gift. Sorry, and I will get emotional. This gift for these fifth graders to just be able to see themselves as someone who has a voice, who has a story, and they can share that with their school, their community, and the fifth grade the eighth graders can look at them as like, Wow, you're an author, and this is pretty impactful, John Verrico: Exactly. Yeah. Kerrie Gordon: and wow, you're a pretty cool little fifth grader, right? And that just kept coming to my mind, and so in the school year ended and then I just was like I'm not gonna just let this die. So the transition in June I just we had a principal moving from the high John Verrico: Yeah, th I mean at that time of the school year it w it there really wouldn't have been enough time to implement anything Kerrie Gordon: Yes, so they add something. John Verrico: yet. Yeah. Kerrie Gordon: And so we had a principal from the high school, and as a high school swim coach, I knew of her and knew her. And so I said to her, I went to her as the incoming new middle school principal, and I said, Wouldn't it be so cool? Here's my idea. You're coming in as a new principal for you to start this new program. And she's like, I love it. And so then I took it to the other middle school principal and I said, Any any thoughts on this store this idea? She goes, Kerrie, I have been tr tr I'm creating a new system for our fifth graders, which is a school within a school, and I have this one skills rotation at the end of the day that I can't fill. Can I put two in there? So all of a sudden, John, within a two-day period of meeting with both of these middle school teachers, I had 250 fifth graders that I would be working with in the district. I it was just like, wait what? John Verrico: That is amazing. So so tell us about the project. W t tell Kerrie Gordon: And so as we John Verrico: us what you what you've what this magic that you've created. Kerrie Gordon: Yeah. So I had the permission. And then as we kind of went through the summer, we were trying to get funding. And then that came in by the end of June. I had funding to from the district to do all 250 middle schoolers. And so that was amazing. And then the fourth grade teacher and principal is like, well, we don't want to be left out, but we don't want to do the full fourth grade. So I we did a pilot, we're doing a pilot of 20 fourth graders. And that started everything started in August. August 24th, I did one school, the one at Morgan, where I work with them four days a week, Monday through Thursday, and then for seven weeks, and then their skill rotation changes, and I get a new group of kids for the next skill rotation. So that's how Morgan does it. And then Mountain Green had said, which was my first middle school. principal who said yes, she wanted all fifth graders to go through together. So I meet with them every Wednesday, teach five classes, then run to the other middle school to teach the one that I'm teaching Monday through Thursday. So right now we have 250, well we have 125, 100 almost 150 kids that I'm working with weekly. 125 of them daily. I mean on a Wednesday and and such. So Then came the thought of well, I'm gonna get them through this program. The these principals have said yes. I am an imposter, I'm not a writing coach, I'm not a I've been in now three books because the art of connection resilience went into a journal and a coloring book. So I have four books that I've been in. Who am I to think that I can help these fifth graders? And I thought, I have a dream. As Martin Luther Thur King would say, I have a vision and I'm just gonna make it happen. And it's people are saying yes and going forward and going forward. And so then I started in in August with the first groups, but now I was try I was faced with how are we gonna pay for the publishing of this. John Verrico: So f Kerrie, what we need to do is describe exactly what you're doing for these kids. Kerrie Gordon: Okay. Yes. Okay. So I created a curriculum that's a twenty-four day instructional times where I would meet with them twenty-four times where we we have this five series sort of section. The first few days are the spark, you know, coming up or trying to find the ideas that are around us. And then we move into a create where we start putting those together. We mind map, we bring in the ideas of of that are floating around in our heads and then we start to write. We start to literally write. And what I found is that in talking to the principals and then getting with the superintendent, they're all feeling like learning how to write literally your thoughts to a piece of paper and writing is becoming a lost art. And So the person in our whole state of Utah, the governor actually, and the person that's over all of the education said that they wanted to switch the pendulum from all the way over here in a digital world to let's bring it back to writing. And so what my idea of putting the stories on paper is exactly what they were looking for. Pause for just a second. And so it everyone's now all of a sudden hearing how Th these are the things I wanna bring to them. I I still wanna my grandma mode. And so this curriculum John Verrico: It's okay, Audrey. Kerrie Gordon: Yes. So the curriculum that I created, these 24 instructional days, the five things of Spark, Create, Pol refine, though I don't wanna be the r writing teacher that helps in all the methods. But I want them to see how it's okay to write and and misspell a word because you know as you're coming back to it to refine it to then bring it into a published mode, we need to refine and rework our our the words and then we move into polish and publish. So we have those five stages. So as I bring in this first group that would be with me for seven weeks through, I hit the barrier of okay, we've got to publish it. So we need money. But I realized in working with these this first group of 18 kids, I cannot edit everything myself. So I literally was able to work with Claude and Chat and I created a method where I can upload their stories. I can find the errors in their spelling, their punctuation, and then it I moved it into a second s app. That I created, which allows them to see their errors, but then change them knowing why they're changing it, not just go through and edit everything out for them, but for them to John Verrico: Right. Kerrie Gordon: say, see, there, there, and there, three different forms of that word. This is the one I want to use. And so they're learning as they're going, and that has been amazing to be able to find. ways for the technology to help them in their story. And then illustrations, the same thing. I have some as they're working through the written part of it, they then are thinking of ways of this can be illustrated in this manner. And they're all very unsure of I can't draw, I can't do this, I can't do that. So I have them give me their best effort and colors and stuff. And then I have the chat illustrator studio polish it in their using their what's the word I'm thinking of their style thank you yeah John Verrico: Their style or their mm-hmm. Kerrie Gordon: so it stays in their style it allows them to make it what it however they want but it polishes it just enough and as they see these illustrations come out their eyes just pop right it's like this could be my story. So now we we're coming through the written part of it. We're adding illustrations and then the third app that I have created is to be able to bring the written part and the the illustration part together. So I learned how to use a Google Classroom and that's been amazing where they can put it in, they can be editing it. So now I have twenty kids editing all at the same time instead of me doing it myself. John Verrico: Wow. Kerrie Gordon: And that has been so helpful and they love getting on their Chromebooks. So that was a technology in reaching out to the principal. I we came up with this problem, but yet to together we were able to come up with a solution, which was let's use technology. Let's we do want the kids to know that there's technology out there and we do want them to feel like their story is their story. And there is a level of n polishness, I guess. You 'cause you when you go to print something, you don't want it in all these crazy words and letters and long sentences and stuff. So it's really magical because three things are happening. They're writing the story, they're seeing what they need to change and edit, and they're seeing their illustrations come to life and as they and they're learning. Yes. At every stage they're learning. John Verrico: And they're learning about that as yeah. I I like the fact that they get a chance to see what was corrected and they learn why so that they know how to correct the the grammatical the word usage, the syntax, the stuff like that that they stopped really don't teach that much anymore in school. Kerrie Gordon: Right. And what's cool is I really just kept pushing Claude, pushing them like, okay, I want this, I like this, can we create this? And so it's what it does is it uploads we upload their story from the Google Classroom as a document. And then as it comes in, it does the AI search to see where the errors are. And then as it shows them in this app and then it tells them why, they can accept it or decline it. So if they want this crazy spelling of a name, they get it. But at the same time, if they need to make the change, they know why. And so that's been the illustration of everything. And so now we also I was able to go in front of the Morgan Education Foundation and get four thousand dollars that we can apply toward the publishing. I'm sorry, the printing of this, because we're not going to become Amazon published authors, but to be able to stand in front of their community with a book that's professionally published was my goal all along. And we'll have a big author celebration when these books come back. So I have found yes. And so this journey. John Verrico: Yeah, you know those are important. Kerrie Gordon: I'm still working through the first one because I'm learning because I'm not a polished, you know, curriculum writer. I'm not a lot of stuff, but I am just stepping into my dream, making it happen as best I can. I know. And then I just say I know. I know. Thank John Verrico: You're having that imposter syndrome smack you in the face again. Yeah. Stop saying you're not because you are. You're doing it. You keep saying you're not an author, but you are. Kerrie Gordon: you. Yes, I am an author. And yes, I'm an author John Verrico: See, and all those things all those things come together and look look what you've done now. You've now you're you're in this mode. Now, the first books will be coming out Kerrie Gordon: So at the first of December, because then we'll have two cohorts that will come and they'll both be from Morgan so that we can send them in. It helps with the cost of getting it run because when I was approaching publishers, whether it was a full publisher or someone who did, you know, creates did it themselves, I looked in lots of different ways, different places to And it was so costly. So I don't want the published route at this point, but I do want the professional book feeling. And so I did find someone who was able to help me see that they're gonna get 262, 270 individual books that will need to be printed. And some parents can th by the end of the year, and some parents will buy three, maybe five copies, but not like a hundred or a hundred. John Verrico: Sure. And they'll yeah, there'll be gifts and yeah. Kerrie Gordon: Right. But when I send them the manuscript. Yeah. John Verrico: There's always there's always that shelf the shelf copy, right? The pristine one. My baby wrote this and that one sits on the shelf and then the one that the kid gets to show off and then there's there's one for the grandparents and yeah. Kerrie Gordon: Yeah, yeah. But really from a publisher perspective, it's you know, the project was the project is not one but many to be able to print. And so that the fur that was the first hurdle of you you want me to print John Verrico: So about how many kids you said eighteen, you got eighteen kids in that in that first book? Wow. Kerrie Gordon: one and then so their stories are just finishing into the final manuscript stage and then they will wait to get sent in by the first of December with this second one. So we've got we'll have forty kids who at the at Christmas time, I hope, will have their book to be able to receive. Yeah. So be sure John Verrico: That is so cool. That is so cool. And you you know, this type of recognition at an early age. I remember, you know, just writing for the school newspaper when I was in the sixth grade and getting a story published with my name on it. Boy, that was just like it was so wow. and so you're creating a an a an amazing opportunity for kids to experience the kind of joy, the kind of transformation, the kind of self awareness that you were able to gain yourself by becoming an author in something like this. It's amazing. Kerrie Gordon: Yeah. And standing in New York and standing in New York seeing that it had come to pass. And my my goal, my vision for the for them at the end of their journey is to stand on the stage at the middle school with their book in hand, their name on their book, and be able to claim their themselves as a printed, you know, published author in the sense of my Yeah. John Verrico: That is so amazing. what a fantastic opportunity. And I'm so glad that you came up with this idea. Kerrie Gordon: Yeah. Yeah. John Verrico: I think this is something and I know that maybe it's your secret dream that's gonna it's gonna take off. you know, Kerrie Gordon: Yeah. John Verrico: obviously you can only do so much of it yourself. So you're gonna have to, you know, develop a a cadre of folks who can help to take this and expand this idea. But I I think we need to come back again. and get a follow-up on how these first cohorts made out and and books and you may find that you're gonna need to get some extra copies of those books made because there's gonna be people all around the world who are just gonna love to read what these fifth graders have come up with. Kerrie Gordon: Yeah. So if I have a moment I want to share a quick little story of just I mean, their their stories and their creativity at this level is just not restricted at all. It's just so cute to hear and listen. So I had one fifth grader just the other day that said to me and I let them call me Coach Kerrie because I am a swim coach. I am a coach and I'm coaching them in this journey. So he said to me, Coach Kerrie, I really don't like my story I'm writing. I said, okay, what would you like to do? And and as an author, you can change your mind like this. He goes, I have another idea. So he'd he had this cute little booklet that when you scratch off the black, it shows color from below. John Verrico: mm-hmm. Yep. Kerrie Gordon: And he had created this cute little cheeseburger. It was so cute and sparkly. He goes, I want to write about my cheeseburger. And I said, Okay. So at that, and I I I've learned through in each of the instructional days to allow a minute for somebody to share, to be able to stand up and claim their voice and share. So here he John Verrico: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Kerrie Gordon: is writing as fast as he can because he said, I really, really want to share today. And I'm thinking, I I I don't know how much he'll write down. So he wrote as fast as he could, and then he's then he went and I said, You're welcome to come up and share. And so as he stepped to the front of the class, he looked at me and he said, But I don't have All my words written down. Can I just tell them the story when I get past what I've written? And I said, sure. And he started off. This is how he started his story off. It all started one day I was as a bun. I started my story as a bun. And then I got cheese. And then they added a tomato. And it just continued on. And I was laughing so hard because I John Verrico: well. Kerrie Gordon: He said it all started as a bun. John Verrico: a bun. You know, I am tempted to use that as the show title. Kerrie Gordon: It all started as a bun. John Verrico: wow. Kerrie Gordon: And he was just John Verrico: You know what? Kerrie Gordon: so he was it was just magical. My heart was just so warm because in in his creativity that's where his story started and it was fantastic. So yeah. John Verrico: That's it it's a thing of beauty. It really is. Kerrie, I've had to s have to thank you for what you are doing out there. I wish I had teachers like you or people who are around the school system that like you back when I was a kid, because I certainly would have loved this kind of opportunity. And I can see how the enthusiasm is just going to grow. But you're creating opportunities for kids that they would never have any other way. And so here at the the fifth grade level and and possibly even fourth grade levels as this thing expands, you're giving kids an opportunity to not only expand on their creativity and and feed their creativity, but to find that they have value, that people are interested in what they have to say. And that is such a big import big piece of importance for kids growing up. To realize that they are being recognized and being seen and being heard. Because that's what that's especially that age group, that's what the struggle is all about, right? They want to be seen and heard and be acknowledged. And so you're giving them that opportunity and in many, many ways. And then on top of that, the cherry on top of that, to be published authors at an early age. That is just the coolest thing on the planet. And I absolutely love it. And I'm so glad that Kerrie Gordon: Yeah. Yeah. John Verrico: you told me about this in a side conversation and I'm like, I need to know more about this and so does the whole world. I am so glad that you came on to the show and that you brought Audrey. I I that you had a choice 'cause she wanted to be with grandma. Kerrie Gordon: Yeah. She wanted to be with grammar. She has all of her books over here, but she wanted to sit here and be part of this conversation. So John Verrico: Which is all fine. She's she's absolutely adorable. Kerrie, thank you again for everything. And Kerrie Gordon: Thank you, John. John Verrico: so if people want to reach out to you, how do they find you? Kerrie Gordon: right now it's it would be Kerrie at discover wonders coaching dot com is the best way to reach out to me and from there, you know. John Verrico: And discover wonderscoaching dot com. That's your website. Kerrie Gordon: Coaching Traveling Soon to be. Discovery John Verrico: Okay. Kerrie Gordon: Wonders magic is kind of the one that will cover all of the things that I'm doing. Coaching, John Verrico: Okay. Kerrie Gordon: travel retreats, and now my young I call this program the Young Authors Experience. John Verrico: Love it. Kerrie Gordon: so thank you. It's been so wonderful to be here with you today. And thank you so much for the adaptability of allowing a young, a young author to be here in our midst. John Verrico: Yeah, she's she's a a you know, next generation best selling author Kerrie Gordon: And that's John Verrico: here. Kerrie Gordon: that's right. She's for sure. John Verrico: I love and you can he you can tell she's got a story to tell. She just needs the words to do it. Kerrie Gordon: That's right. And the opportunity to make it happen. John Verrico: I love it. Kerrie, thank you so much. I'm going to make sure that we put all your information in the show notes and get information out there so people can learn more about this amazing project. And I think you're gonna find out. There's gonna be folks who are gonna say, how can I help you spread this around? Kerrie Gordon: Awesome. Yeah, because this definitely is something that I've feel like can definitely grow and I wrote the curriculum to help facilitators step into this opportunity of this magic with these children. So I look forward to what seeing where it goes. John Verrico: Very cool. I love it. Terry have a gr Kerrie, have a great day and folks, you All I can say is if Kerrie Gordon: Yeah. John Verrico: you ever meet her in person, you're gonna love her. If you don't have you don't already love her from this show, you're gonna Kerrie Gordon: Ha ha ha. John Verrico: you're gonna love her. She's so so full of enthusiasm and and a humongous heart to reach out and to help to share the experience that she had becoming an author and then helping now children have that self-realization and that self-actualization and becoming authors themselves. Such an amazing thing. Kerrie Gordon: And letting it all start with a bun. It all started with John Verrico: It all started with a bun. Yep. Kerrie Gordon: a bun. John Verrico: I love it. All right. Take care. Have a great day. Kerrie Gordon: Okay. Thank you, John. Talk to you later. John Verrico: And thanks for sharing your fire. Kerrie Gordon: Yeah, thank you.