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Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part - Convicted Without A Body · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Till Death Do
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Speaker 1: Us Part. I'll be your host today, Emily Simpson with
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Speaker 1: Shane Shane. All Right, Shane, have you heard of Larry Miliette. No,
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Speaker 1: Larry Mallette was just convicted recently, like last week. This
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Speaker 1: is a San Diego case. This case is crazy to me.
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Speaker 1: I'm interesting.
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Speaker 2: Sorry is this San Diego? Did he throw someone off
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Speaker 2: a cliff?
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Speaker 1: No? This is not bad. Okay, No, but but we are,
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Speaker 1: but we are. I don't know, But I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't know because we don't know.
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Speaker 2: Are we going to how are we going to go
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Speaker 2: over the case?
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Speaker 1: We're going to There's a lot to talk about.
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we have a dead person.
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Speaker 1: No, we don't there there's no dead person.
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Speaker 2: Oh, now we're doing missing persons.
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Speaker 1: No, he was convicted of murder, murdering his wife. He
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Speaker 1: was recently convicted. He will probably spend the rest of
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Speaker 1: his life in jail. There was never her body has
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Speaker 1: never been found.
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Speaker 2: Oh so a murder conviction without a body, which.
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Speaker 1: Is very interesting because that's hard to do. All right,
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Speaker 1: let's get into it. So in January of twenty twenty one, Miami.
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Speaker 1: At Day was a thirty nine year old mother of
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Speaker 1: three from Chula Vista, California, and she vanished without a trace,
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Speaker 1: no goodbye, no packed bags, no farewell to her children,
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Speaker 1: her tight knit community, that right there, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Right there? Yeah, husband first.
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Speaker 1: Suspect, Oh absolutely, yeah, yes.
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Speaker 2: It never works out where It's like, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: she just got up in life. She loved her children. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: she never left without her phone, but today she left
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Speaker 2: out her children and her phone and any clothes and
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Speaker 2: her purse and her car. She just started walking and
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Speaker 2: they were came back like like that. Chris Watts one.
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Speaker 2: He tried to say that. Peterson tried to say that,
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Speaker 2: don't get into Peterson thing right now, Oka Peterson, that
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Speaker 2: was his defense.
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Speaker 1: Susan Powell.
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Speaker 2: Susan Powell. Yeah, they're all like that, all the ones
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Speaker 2: I want.
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Speaker 1: Her tight knit community rallied to find her, but one
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Speaker 1: person was notably absent from the search, her husband, Larry.
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Speaker 1: Larry never attended any of the searches for his wife ever. Never.
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Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't mean he's guilty, and that just explains
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Speaker 2: how his feelings towards it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but that's circumstantial evidence that we can add.
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Speaker 2: To the list that it is suspicious.
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Speaker 1: What followed was a haunting investigation into a marriage shrouded
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Speaker 1: in secrecy, control, and unanswered questions, all while Maya is
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Speaker 1: whereabouts still remain a mystery. Where is Maya? I hope
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Speaker 1: they find the body. I also hope they find Kristen
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Speaker 1: Smart's body.
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Speaker 2: Do we say what you hear?
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Speaker 1: This was? Yeah, it's well. Twenty twenty one is when
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Speaker 1: she disappeared. But he just went to trial, like two
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, went missing. Yeah, So let's start with the timeline.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety seven, Larry's he gets he's arrested as
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Speaker 1: a juvenile. Larry Mayette was reportedly taken into juvenile custody
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Speaker 1: in Hawaii following an alleged gang related stabbing and charged
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Speaker 1: with assault with a deadly weapon. Official records remain sealed
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Speaker 1: because he was a juvenile. So I think though that
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Speaker 1: gets mentioned because it's the start of showing that he's violent, right,
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Speaker 1: that he has a violent personality. From nineteen ninety nine
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Speaker 1: to two thousand and five, Larry is enlisted in the
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Speaker 1: US Navy and served as an optician at Naval Medical
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Speaker 1: Center in San Diego. Maya later worked as a civilian
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Speaker 1: contract specialist for the Navy. A civilian contract specialist writes, negotiates,
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Speaker 1: and administers contracts for a wide variety of goods and services,
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Speaker 1: from advanced aircraft to ship repairers, ensuring all purchases comply
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Speaker 1: with federal regulations. You know, this case was very well
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Speaker 1: known in just the San Diego area. I don't feel
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Speaker 1: like forty eight hours. I believe did like an hour
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Speaker 1: episode on it. But other than that, it doesn't have
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Speaker 1: the global attention like a lot of these other.
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Speaker 2: Cases I need to say, have a missing well, you
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Speaker 2: need something for it to get really attention, right, like
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Speaker 2: some usual circumstances. She was a cheerleader, something relatable. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but this case it was sadly say is there's nothing?
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Speaker 1: No, but there is, though, I mean it's a weird case.
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Speaker 2: What should have grabbed people's attention.
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Speaker 1: Well, the fact that he was reaching out to spellcasters
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Speaker 1: online trying to get them to cast a spell on her.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if that's not good, you know, clickbait. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what is. I mean. I'm sorry that Maya
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Speaker 1: is not a cheerleader.
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Speaker 2: It's not illegal.
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Speaker 1: Well, it depends. I mean, they have the emails of
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Speaker 1: him reaching out to all these spellcasters over a large
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Speaker 1: you know, over years.
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Speaker 2: But did he wish her.
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Speaker 1: Death, yes, eventually, I don't know if it was death,
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Speaker 1: but he wished her harm. He wanted her to get that.
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Speaker 1: He wanted the spellcaster to make her really, really sick,
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Speaker 1: so she was like incapacitated and couldn't leave.
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Speaker 2: And did they take his money and everything? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you spent like almost I think it was like
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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars on spellcasters.
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Speaker 2: It's you gotta pay more if you want spellcasters.
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Speaker 1: Would know, right? Is that why my leg hurts?
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Speaker 2: I woke up with pain. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Larry and Maya met in Hawaii and married when they
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Speaker 1: were just eighteen and nineteen years old, and had three
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Speaker 1: children together. In twenty twenty, Maya decides to leave the marriage.
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Speaker 1: According to prosecutors, Maya had told friends that she planned
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Speaker 1: to divorce Larry after twenty years of marriage. She documented
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Speaker 1: concerns and diary entries and told a marriage therapist about
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Speaker 1: what she endured and scheduled a consultation with a divorce attorney.
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Speaker 1: Maya allegedly texted Larry that she was filing for divorce,
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Speaker 1: whether he liked it or not. This is on January
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Speaker 1: fourth of twenty twenty one, so there's problems in the marriage.
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Speaker 1: She's also having an affair. I do believe that he
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Speaker 1: had had an affair also in the marriage at one point.
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Speaker 1: I think it was early in the marriage. She's now
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Speaker 1: having an affair with someone that she works with. I
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Speaker 1: believe he's like it works under her or something like that.
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Speaker 1: But he has a wife that's pregnant, So it's a
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Speaker 1: very convoluted story.
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Speaker 2: Did he want to curse her because she was at
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Speaker 2: an affair or because he was at an affair?
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Speaker 1: Well, he had an affair early in the marriage, so
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Speaker 1: you know that's over. But now she's having an affair,
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Speaker 1: so I think he wants to Well you can tell
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Speaker 1: by his kids together. Yes, they have children. They have children.
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Speaker 2: Mess.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So over four months he sends all these emails
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Speaker 1: and he wrote to online spellcasters. I literally had to
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Speaker 1: look up spellcaster because when I was researching this case,
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Speaker 1: I was like, what is a spellcaster?
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Speaker 2: You? Like, I've been missing out in my whole life.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even know that you could cast spells on
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Speaker 1: people just with a little You just pay a fee
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Speaker 1: and you can cast a spell.
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Speaker 2: So one's your next appointment.
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Speaker 1: I really need to hone in on on.
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Speaker 2: Who's your first specifically, who's your first person that you
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Speaker 2: want to cast a spell on?
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Speaker 1: Really you want to go there? I'm sure you know
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Speaker 1: exactly is he in this room? Poor Togo. So he
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Speaker 1: sends emails to these spellcasters between September of twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: all the way up to the very afternoon that she disappears.
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Speaker 1: So there is an email to a spellcaster that goes
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Speaker 1: out the evening that she's no longer seen again. He
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Speaker 1: asks that she be like incapacitated or sick in some
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Speaker 1: way so that she's like stuck with him forever, and
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Speaker 1: that the children see her sick and.
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Speaker 2: He wants her stuck with him forever.
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Speaker 1: Well, he's one of those. This is the way I
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Speaker 1: look at Larry. He's one of those. If if I
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Speaker 1: can't have you, nobody can.
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Speaker 2: But why would he want to kill her? Well? He did, but.
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Speaker 1: Because she went to see a divorce attorney. I'm saying
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Speaker 1: That's why I believe he is a if no one
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Speaker 1: can have you, If I can't have you, no one
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Speaker 1: can kind of man.
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Speaker 2: But he but this spell casting, it seems like he
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Speaker 2: should have gone to a hitman.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think he finds out that she had a
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Speaker 1: consultation with an attorney to get divorce and that was
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Speaker 1: the last.
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Speaker 2: Okay, now it's not I just want her to suffer.
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Speaker 2: I want her dead.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he doesn't ask the spellcaster to make her.
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Speaker 2: Dead, no, because they only cast spells, right, right, right,
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Speaker 2: anyone knows.
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Speaker 1: That, right? So Maya, this is January seventh to twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty one, So this is the last day that Maya's
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Speaker 1: seen alive on may On January seventh of twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 1: Maya was last seen arriving home and Chula Vissa at
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Speaker 1: approximately four forty five pm. So there's actual I'm sure
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Speaker 1: it's ring footage from like a neighbor's home or something. Right.
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Speaker 1: It shows her pulling up to their home and it
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Speaker 1: shows her entering the house. So that's the last known
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Speaker 1: footage of seeing her alive. There is no footage that
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Speaker 1: ever shows her leaving the house, right.
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Speaker 2: Because that's the last Otherwise then that would be the
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Speaker 2: last known footage of her life.
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Speaker 1: Right, So I'm just saying she enters the home and
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Speaker 1: then we never see her leave it again.
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Speaker 2: Okay, according to so you're saying the killing yes, based
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Speaker 2: on that likely took place inside the residence. Right.
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Speaker 1: According to trial testimony, her last known contact was a
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Speaker 1: text message to one of her sisters around eight fifteen PM,
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Speaker 1: and then her cell phone terminated all cellular connections at
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Speaker 1: about one twenty five five am on January eighth. So
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Speaker 1: she gets home from work, I assume enters the home,
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Speaker 1: there's some cell phone foot there's some cell phone usage on.
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Speaker 2: Her phone, okay.
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Speaker 1: And then at one twenty five am the following morning,
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Speaker 1: her phone has no activity.
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Speaker 2: And I believe her phone everyone not connected it, right.
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Speaker 1: And I believe her phone was never found. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: they just pulled the Okay, he smashed it. Larry's phone
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Speaker 1: also terminated cell connections on the morning of January eighth.
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Speaker 1: See that's where people go wrong. And this is a mistake.
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Speaker 1: When you're going to commit a murder, you have to
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Speaker 1: and people think they're smart by like disconnecting their phone
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Speaker 1: or you know what I mean, turning their phone off.
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Speaker 1: But now when you turn your phone off, that's evidence
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Speaker 1: that you're committing a crime because it's.
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Speaker 2: Like it's like comcams are like, hey, shut off your copying,
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Speaker 2: all right? Yeah, yeah, it's like, oh, I wonder why
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Speaker 2: I have an ab Probably something very innocent, right, So.
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Speaker 1: It's like now it's like you should they have the
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Speaker 1: forensics of the phone, and it's like cell phone usage,
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Speaker 1: cell phone usage, cell phone usage all day and then
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Speaker 1: it's like dead, you know, during the hours of when
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Speaker 1: she disappears. Prosecutors later argue that Larry killed her after
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Speaker 1: she decided to leave the marriage. So that day, the
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Speaker 1: January seventh, Maya had called it was called Broaden Law
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Speaker 1: Firm in San Diego around one forty five pm and
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Speaker 1: spoke to a legal assistant. She had told them that
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Speaker 1: she wanted to get divorced and that she needed a consultation.
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Speaker 1: But she told because they testified at trial she talked
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Speaker 1: to a legal assistant, and a legal assistant testified at
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Speaker 1: trial she had told them during the phone call, though,
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Speaker 1: that she didn't want to make an in person consultation
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Speaker 1: because she was afraid that he would follow her and
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Speaker 1: she was scared for her life basically, and so she
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Speaker 1: they were trying to come up with a way for
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Speaker 1: her to have some kind of zoom or like phone
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Speaker 1: consultation so that he wouldn't know about.
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Speaker 2: It far off to have a phone call or something.
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Speaker 1: No, but I'm just saying more circumstantial evidence that the
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Speaker 1: day before she disappears, she expresses concern.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: She also had told a best friend and this best
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Speaker 1: friend also testified a trial that there had been a
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Speaker 1: previous choking incident and that Larry had tried, that he
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Speaker 1: had choked her to the point where she had passed out.
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Speaker 1: And I actually the research on this shows that a
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Speaker 1: non fatal strangle, like if you're in a domestic relationship
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Speaker 1: where one person strangles the other person, Yes, it's a
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Speaker 1: red flag, but there's actually research on it and statistics
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Speaker 1: that show that you were seven times more likely to
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Speaker 1: be killed by that person.
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Speaker 2: Your spouse is choking you.
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Speaker 1: Get out.
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Speaker 2: Don't worry about the scientific studies, right, get out.
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Speaker 1: Get out. Also, on a New Year's trip to Glamis
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Speaker 1: you know, or Glamis's isn't that where the Housewives went?
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Speaker 1: And they wrote the California Night Dunes, she tells her family.
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Speaker 1: I think she told her sister this. She said, quote,
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Speaker 1: if anything happens to me, Larry, that's another one. If
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Speaker 1: you are really fear for your life, and you were
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Speaker 1: telling people if I die or if something happens to me.
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Speaker 1: Remember the case we did with the guy that got poisoned,
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Speaker 1: and he was telling people, if something happens to me,
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Speaker 1: it was my wife. Yeah, And you were questioning, like,
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Speaker 1: why is he still eating food?
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Speaker 2: She prepares right, Yeah, now we're gonna go out to dinner.
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Speaker 2: But if anything happens to me, yeah, it was her.
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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna take her out now. But this,
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Speaker 2: like one she.
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Speaker 1: Made him, like a blooney sandwich or something, and like
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Speaker 1: she tried to poison This a mistake.
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Speaker 2: Anyone makes you a blooney sandwich clearly isn't out for
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Speaker 2: your health.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was a blooney sandwich. I just
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Speaker 1: made that up. But anyway, I'm just saying, if he's
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Speaker 1: telling his friends, if anything happens to me, is my wife.
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Speaker 1: She's trying to poison me. But yeah, he continues to
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Speaker 1: live with her and continues to take food and drink
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Speaker 1: from her.
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Speaker 2: Then I'm again, no scientific studies needed.
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Speaker 1: No scientific study needed, all Right. On January eighth of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, so this is the day after that,
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Speaker 1: Maya is last seen arriving at her home.
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Speaker 2: Survey and yet not known as missing, right, Maya. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: like this, when she goes missing that day, no one
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Speaker 2: knows she's missing. It's not reported yet, it's not reported.
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Speaker 2: I just want to make that clear. You're just telling
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Speaker 2: us what took place, but not because he was missing.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So then we get to the next day, January
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Speaker 1: eighth of twenty twenty one, and surveillance footage showed Larry
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Speaker 1: leaving home at six forty five am and the family's suv. However,
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Speaker 1: what's interesting about the footage of Larry in the suv
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Speaker 1: is that he backs the suv into the garage.
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Speaker 2: So that's a Watts move right there. Chris Wats did that. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: he backed up his F two fifty so he could
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Speaker 2: put his tool box and his lunch in there. But
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Speaker 2: we all know it was the body.
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Speaker 1: It was the bodies, so he backs his Lexus. Larry
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Speaker 1: backs his Lexus into the garage, so the video doesn't
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Speaker 1: pick up what's going on at the back end.
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Speaker 2: Lucky he had planned that. He just did it for
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Speaker 2: Friday convene.
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Speaker 1: Wats didn't plan it either, right he Yeah, lucky too,
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Speaker 1: because the best video ever a of a what do
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Speaker 1: you call him? Is he a serial killer? He killed
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Speaker 1: his wife and his kids. Does that make him a
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Speaker 1: serial killer?
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Speaker 2: Psych his family?
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Speaker 1: All?
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Speaker 2: Right, he's watching the surveillance video of what happened the
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Speaker 2: night before when he's loading the bodies into his truck,
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Speaker 2: and he's just like he's pissing his pants. I know,
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Speaker 2: the cops there and the neighbors are and there watching
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Speaker 2: to see where what happened to your wife? Because right then,
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Speaker 2: at that point he's sitting there acting like I don't
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Speaker 2: know what happened or she's just gone yeah, And now
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Speaker 2: he's like, holy crap, it might show me loading the
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Speaker 2: bodies into.
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Speaker 1: The truck, I know, watching that big screen TV when
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Speaker 1: the neighbor pulls it up and he's standing there and
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Speaker 1: he's like.
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Speaker 2: If anyone hasn't say it's family murder, family murder or
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Speaker 2: family murders American family Murder on Netflix all body camp
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Speaker 2: footage and social media clips. It's great.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did an episode on Chris Watson is a psychopath.
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Speaker 1: But that's probably one of the best videos covered of
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Speaker 1: a raw moment of him actually watching the neighbor pull
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Speaker 1: up footage of his driveway.
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Speaker 2: That that's the climax of the whole film. It's like,
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Speaker 2: there's like, hey, I got footage, and the cops like,
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Speaker 2: let's go look at it and see what we can
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Speaker 2: see what your wife went. And he's like, uh, that
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Speaker 2: guy is pissing his pants and sweat and bullets.
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Speaker 1: Also, so after there's a footage of of Larry's suv
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Speaker 1: leaving the home at six forty five am. Prosecutors also
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Speaker 1: say that the vehicle traveled more than four hundred unexplained
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Speaker 1: miles while his phone was powered off and later appeared
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Speaker 1: unusually clean. I believe he asked a neighbor or something.
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Speaker 1: He paid a neighbor to detail it after the fact.
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Speaker 1: So he pulls into the garage backwards. His car then
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Speaker 1: travels four hundred miles and he has his cell phone
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Speaker 1: turned off again. Not a smart move, the cell phone
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Speaker 1: turning off him.
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Speaker 2: I don't know where he went. Did they find a body? No,
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Speaker 2: so a smart move then.
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Speaker 1: Well. Larry claims that he spent the day at the
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Speaker 1: beach with his son.
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Speaker 2: He should have pulled a film Michelson, you know what
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Speaker 2: he did recently? No, who's that He's a golfer. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and he paid someone, oh.
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Speaker 1: His caddy to drive around with his phone his phone, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because he was cheating on his wife. He goes, here's
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Speaker 1: here's my phone. Just drive my phone around on a
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Speaker 1: golf cart.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he got caught.
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Speaker 1: I know it didn't work.
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Speaker 2: No, not that time anyway.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, here's the thing. If you're gonna commit murder, you
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Speaker 1: need to avoid buying the murder kit at Walmart, like
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Speaker 1: that's just a given. Like stop buying shovels and zip
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Speaker 1: ties and trash bags all at the same time or
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Speaker 1: on Amazon. And also stop turning your cell phone off
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Speaker 1: when you commit the murder, like you have to do.
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Speaker 1: You have to do like Philil Nicholson, but do better
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Speaker 1: nimbleson and have it bounce around somewhere, like you should
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Speaker 1: have taken your cell phone to work and drops it
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Speaker 1: off at your desk. Put it in your desk.
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Speaker 2: Royers, yeah, or just who knows all right.
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Speaker 1: January ninth of twenty twenty one family members. First, the
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Speaker 1: family members were trying to contact Maya and she wasn't replying.
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Speaker 1: Then they come over to the house and they asked
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Speaker 1: to see her, and he claims that she's in her
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Speaker 1: bedroom and not coming out. Then they still don't hear
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Speaker 1: from her, so they end up contacting the authorities and
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Speaker 1: saying that and then file a missing person's report. January
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Speaker 1: thirteenth of twenty twenty one, Larry gave a media interview
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Speaker 1: asking Maya to come home and said he believed that
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Speaker 1: she could still be alive. In twenty twenty one, investigators
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Speaker 1: start to build their case against Larry. They execute multiple
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Speaker 1: search warrants and recover firearms from Larry. I don't know
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Speaker 1: he had a whole bunch of firearms too, which is
17:11
Speaker 1: interesting because he has also not only a murder charge
17:14
Speaker 1: against him, but some illegal firearms charges against him. Larry
17:17
Speaker 1: was arrested in charge with first degree murder and illegal
17:20
Speaker 1: possession of an assault weapon. He pleaded not guilty and
17:23
Speaker 1: maintains his innocence. From twenty twenty two to twenty twenty six,
17:28
Speaker 1: the murder trial was postponed several times before finally beginning
17:32
Speaker 1: five years after Maya's disappearance. You know, I feel like, maybe,
17:36
Speaker 1: and maybe it's because of digital evidence now, but I
17:39
Speaker 1: believe in the past it probably was a lot more
17:42
Speaker 1: difficult to prosecute someone without a body. I feel like
17:45
Speaker 1: they wouldn't do it.
17:46
Speaker 2: There's less opportunities for evidence with digital stuff everywhere. Sure, No,
17:52
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
17:53
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is I believe maybe twenty
17:56
Speaker 1: years ago, thirty years ago, if there was no body,
17:57
Speaker 1: I feel like they wouldn't prosecute.
17:59
Speaker 2: Rreck because there is more opportunities for digital evidence like
18:03
Speaker 2: your whereabouts DNA could be better extracted and identified.
18:07
Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm saying now, I feel like in modern
18:10
Speaker 1: times they will prosecute now without a body because there's
18:15
Speaker 1: more evidence that you can build.
18:17
Speaker 2: Right, Probably still an uphill battle to pull that off,
18:22
Speaker 2: to prove someone's dead without a body. It's kind of tough.
18:24
Speaker 1: The murder trial was postponed several times before finally beginning
18:27
Speaker 1: five years after Maya's disappearance May eighteenth of twenty twenty six,
18:31
Speaker 1: so this was very recent that Larry's trial begins. Prosecutors
18:35
Speaker 1: argue overwhelming, circumstantial evidence proves that Larry murdered Maya, while
18:40
Speaker 1: the defense maintained that there was nobody. There's no murder weapon,
18:43
Speaker 1: there's no DNA or direct evidence linking him to her disappearance.
18:47
Speaker 1: I mean, those aren't good arguments. There's no body and
18:49
Speaker 1: there's no DNA. If he murdered her in the house.
18:51
Speaker 2: Which we assentied that I literally just vanished.
18:54
Speaker 1: Yes, vanished, And they didn't find any DNA in the
18:57
Speaker 1: house or his car.
18:58
Speaker 2: The strong circumstantial eviit as you're talking about. We got
19:01
Speaker 2: the phone, we got the car, we got the video
19:06
Speaker 2: of him supposedly loading the car. He wouldn't let the
19:10
Speaker 2: family see her when she was known he was missing.
19:12
Speaker 1: What else do you need? I think it's they have
19:15
Speaker 1: evidence of her going into the house and she doesn't leave.
19:18
Speaker 1: They's got four months of emails to spellcasters, which you
19:22
Speaker 1: can tell by the emails there's a transition from in
19:24
Speaker 1: the beginning he's asking them to cast spells for her
19:27
Speaker 1: to fall in love with him, and then by the
19:29
Speaker 1: end it's just like you can see a transition because
19:32
Speaker 1: he finds out, you know that she goes to an attorney,
19:34
Speaker 1: and it becomes.
19:35
Speaker 2: They searched the house and nothing showed up. No, I'm
19:38
Speaker 2: sure they did, cat daver dogs. Nothing. No, but then
19:41
Speaker 2: they named show we're leaving. If so, if he had
19:45
Speaker 2: killed her in the house and then immediately dragged around
19:48
Speaker 2: and put her in the car and took off, would
19:50
Speaker 2: the cadaver dogs find him or find signs of a
19:53
Speaker 2: dead body. I don't know, because I don't more of
19:55
Speaker 2: a resting, rotting kind of body that then then it
19:59
Speaker 2: leaves a scent.
20:00
Speaker 1: I always wondered that too. What is what does a
20:03
Speaker 1: cadaver dog need, like if someone died, like if you no,
20:07
Speaker 1: like if you shoot me right now and I'm laying
20:09
Speaker 1: here dead and then you take me and move me somewhere.
20:13
Speaker 1: What a cadaver dog smell that? I cause? Does it
20:16
Speaker 1: need to decay in order for a cadaver dog to
20:18
Speaker 1: pick it up? I don't know all right? What was
20:21
Speaker 1: some of the key evidence that the prosecution presented? So
20:24
Speaker 1: the District Attorney's office investigator James Rhoades walk the court
20:28
Speaker 1: through several key pieces of evidence. Among them were financial
20:31
Speaker 1: records showing Maya's personal accounts were nearly empty throughout twenty twenty.
20:35
Speaker 1: A detailed prosecutor's use is to suggest that Larry was
20:38
Speaker 1: controlling her access to the family's finances. That was another
20:43
Speaker 1: thing that his control had to do with finances too.
20:46
Speaker 1: It's like she didn't have access to money. And I
20:48
Speaker 1: do believe that she had told a friend, and I
20:50
Speaker 1: think the friend testified that she said the way she
20:52
Speaker 1: was going to pay for an attorney in order to
20:54
Speaker 1: get divorced. Was she was going to pawn a rolex
20:57
Speaker 1: and some Louis Vaton bags that she had. This is
21:00
Speaker 1: how determined this woman was to be able to get
21:02
Speaker 1: away from this man, was that she was going to
21:05
Speaker 1: pawn things to be able to pay for consultation with
21:07
Speaker 1: an attorney. And then she was also you know, scared
21:10
Speaker 1: of her for her safety, that she didn't even want
21:13
Speaker 1: to have an interview at an office because she was
21:15
Speaker 1: afraid that he was following her.
21:18
Speaker 2: But yet then she'd be in the same house with
21:20
Speaker 2: him every night, right.
21:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean she didn't move out for a
21:25
Speaker 1: little while. I believe she left him for a little
21:27
Speaker 1: while previously.
21:28
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to judge it, but why
21:29
Speaker 2: wouldn't she go to a family or I mean, she's like,
21:31
Speaker 2: this guy's going to kill me.
21:34
Speaker 1: I think I think the kids we're part of it too,
21:37
Speaker 1: because if he's controlling the finances the.
21:39
Speaker 2: Kids, I mean, we're talking about safety, we're talking about
21:42
Speaker 2: him killing you.
21:43
Speaker 1: He has assault rifles and guns and stuff, and he choked.
21:45
Speaker 2: Her plan, so serve him with divorce papers and that's
21:48
Speaker 2: going to stop him from killing her. I'm saying she
21:51
Speaker 2: needed to get out this guy was psycho, and I
21:55
Speaker 2: feel for her. I'm on her side. I'm not judging her.
21:57
Speaker 2: I'm saying I wish she had just picked up the
21:59
Speaker 2: kid and left, said this guy's gonna kill me.
22:02
Speaker 1: I think he used the kids. I think she was
22:04
Speaker 1: afraid that he was going to hurt the children, and.
22:06
Speaker 2: So I think and leave with the children.
22:09
Speaker 1: I'm just saying maybe in her mind there wasn't any
22:11
Speaker 1: way for her to be able to get the kids
22:13
Speaker 1: and go somewhere safe that he couldn't find them.
22:14
Speaker 2: No, And I understand, and again, not judging her, I think,
22:17
Speaker 2: but that's just my question is if you could find
22:20
Speaker 2: this woman, right, if she were alive, and you could
22:22
Speaker 2: ask her what made it so you didn't actually leave,
22:26
Speaker 2: get up and like what was that fear? What was
22:30
Speaker 2: that concern? Like? Because then you could know for other
22:32
Speaker 2: people in this situation, Right, what if it's the fact
22:35
Speaker 2: they had guns in the house, What if he said,
22:36
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just saying, like, it would be
22:38
Speaker 2: fascinating to be able to pick her brain and learn
22:41
Speaker 2: what was it that kept you from actually just leaving him?
22:46
Speaker 2: You know, what was it? Because that's what stops other
22:50
Speaker 2: spouses from leaving. Yeah, and it's sad. It's sad that
22:53
Speaker 2: she didn't have the strength to do that, all while
22:56
Speaker 2: knowing she kind of needed to leave. So I don't
22:59
Speaker 2: know feel fur and the children are held.
23:02
Speaker 1: I don't know their ages, but they're young, they're.
23:04
Speaker 2: Still young children, and they're obviously not hurt.
23:06
Speaker 1: No, they her sister now has custody of them, But
23:10
Speaker 1: they went through a lot of custody changes.
23:12
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean it was easy, no.
23:13
Speaker 1: I Originally when she disappeared, he had custody right because
23:16
Speaker 1: he wasn't arrested or anything yet, so he had custody.
23:18
Speaker 1: Then once he was arrested, I believe his parents had
23:21
Speaker 1: custody of them. Then her parents fought for custody of
23:24
Speaker 1: them and ended up with some visitation. And then now
23:27
Speaker 1: finally her sister has custody of them.
23:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, set in stone. Now she's they're with the sister
23:33
Speaker 2: then the aunt, right, probably sounds like the best scenario.
23:36
Speaker 2: When they're together. He's in jail, right, he's locked up,
23:39
Speaker 2: so he's not going to do anything to them. And
23:41
Speaker 2: then the parents all are integrated.
23:44
Speaker 1: With I believe they. I believe that there's some type
23:47
Speaker 1: of visitation.
23:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, jeez.
23:49
Speaker 1: The prosecutor also presented receives showing that Larry paid for
23:52
Speaker 1: nine car washes between January fifteenth and February first of
23:56
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. On some of those days, multiple washes
23:59
Speaker 1: were purchased back to back. I mean, it's just more
24:02
Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence showing that he's doing everything possible to try
24:05
Speaker 1: to wipe this vehicle down to you know, it's to
24:09
Speaker 1: strip it down to nothing, to sanitize it.
24:12
Speaker 2: Right by a record too, where he's never once washed
24:14
Speaker 2: the car in his entire life.
24:16
Speaker 1: Two word documents were also recovered from Larry's work computer.
24:20
Speaker 1: Both appeared to be behavioral directives written for Maya. These
24:24
Speaker 1: are interesting.
24:24
Speaker 2: I read both of these a behavioral directive.
24:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I read both of these, and I tell you
24:30
Speaker 1: he wrote, they made me sick. And I thought, even
24:33
Speaker 1: without the choking and the abuse and the financial control
24:37
Speaker 1: and the assault rifles and all these other things that
24:40
Speaker 1: are going on, if in any way, shape or form,
24:43
Speaker 1: you wrote out some directive like this and presented it
24:46
Speaker 1: to me, what did say. The first one was titled vices,
24:50
Speaker 1: and it listed four areas drinking, tattoos, phone use, and
24:54
Speaker 1: a preference for staying home with the kids was step
24:57
Speaker 1: by step instructions on how she should change each beha.
25:00
Speaker 1: So I guess he thought that she had these four
25:03
Speaker 1: character flaws that she needed to change, so he wrote
25:05
Speaker 1: them out and told her what she needed to do, basically,
25:08
Speaker 1: and did it say.
25:09
Speaker 2: At the bottom and if you don't, I will kill you.
25:11
Speaker 1: No, but maybe that was that's how he signs it
25:14
Speaker 1: in his mind right. The second document is even worse
25:18
Speaker 1: in my opinion, because it was titled I always value
25:21
Speaker 1: my husband Larry and consisted of a numbered list of
25:25
Speaker 1: twenty affirmations written in the first person from Maya's perspective.
25:30
Speaker 1: Here's just some of the statements that were included. There
25:32
Speaker 1: were twenty. I always value my husband Larry's opinions. I
25:36
Speaker 1: am confident with my husband Larry's decisions. I find it
25:39
Speaker 1: easy to listen to and obey my husband Larry. First
25:42
Speaker 1: of all, the fact that he calls himself Larry and
25:44
Speaker 1: references to himself Larry and all of these just seems
25:48
Speaker 1: so narcissistic to me. And then I don't know what
25:51
Speaker 1: was his plan. Was he going to print it out
25:53
Speaker 1: and have her sign the document or something. I mean,
25:56
Speaker 1: these are mantras that she's supposed to memorize and repeat
25:59
Speaker 1: every time poison searches. Spell Caster requests and testimony about
26:05
Speaker 1: Larry and Maya's deteriorating relationship were also presented, So basically,
26:09
Speaker 1: he was searching for poison too.
26:11
Speaker 2: Oh, I assume what's funny is this guy has firearms
26:14
Speaker 2: all over the place and he's like trying.
26:16
Speaker 1: I believe he did shoot her. There is there's audio
26:20
Speaker 1: probably from someone's ring doorbell in the in the neighborhood
26:23
Speaker 1: that heard eight loud bangs on the night that she disappeared.
26:27
Speaker 1: So he did poison searches. I guess originally he was like,
26:29
Speaker 1: I could just poison her.
26:31
Speaker 2: Or I could just get a third party to cast
26:33
Speaker 2: a spell on her, and then yeah, that'd be the
26:35
Speaker 2: end of that.
26:35
Speaker 1: Larry's spellcaster requests ranged from making Maya love him again.
26:39
Speaker 1: That was in the beginning. Remember I said, it was
26:40
Speaker 1: like a transition in the beginning, was making her love
26:43
Speaker 1: him again to making her sick or incapacitated so that
26:46
Speaker 1: she would be forced to depend on him. A vile
26:49
Speaker 1: containing conine was found inside the Miliete home by investigators
26:54
Speaker 1: after Larry's arrest. This is a highly toxic oily alkaloid
26:58
Speaker 1: naturally found in poisonous hemlock. It's famous for being the
27:02
Speaker 1: poison that executed the philosopher's Socrates and three ninety nine BC,
27:07
Speaker 1: attacking the nervous system and causing death through respiratory paralysis.
27:11
Speaker 1: All right, so no hemlock in the house, okay. A
27:15
Speaker 1: neighbor's surveillance system also captured several unexplained loud bangs the
27:19
Speaker 1: night of January seventh, which is the night that she captured.
27:21
Speaker 2: It was on audiotionable.
27:23
Speaker 1: There's audio, but they call it loud bangs. So I
27:26
Speaker 1: guess you couldn't distinguish gunshots versus I don't know what.
27:30
Speaker 1: Someone's hammering something I don't.
27:32
Speaker 2: Know, maybe hit her on the head with a pot
27:34
Speaker 2: eighteen eight times.
27:36
Speaker 1: So the defense presented an extremely thin case, resting after
27:41
Speaker 1: just a single day and calling only three witnesses. Larry
27:44
Speaker 1: did not testify on his own behalf. A volunteer canine
27:48
Speaker 1: search and rescue handler testified that her dog detected no
27:52
Speaker 1: d composing remains in the milli at day home. But
27:55
Speaker 1: again we were talking about that if he shoots her
27:57
Speaker 1: and moves.
27:57
Speaker 2: Her the day the same day, dogs, there's no set
28:01
Speaker 2: amount of time that makes a kidaver dog be able
28:04
Speaker 2: to find the scent. But obviously if the body's there
28:07
Speaker 2: longer and things, but it said it could just be
28:09
Speaker 2: a matter of moments.
28:10
Speaker 1: So does the body smell differently as soon as you die?
28:15
Speaker 2: Well, there's blood and stuff, carnage.
28:17
Speaker 1: I don't know, because what is it that makes it
28:19
Speaker 1: a cadaver dog that they're as opposed to a dog
28:22
Speaker 1: search and rescue. That's just the scent of a human
28:25
Speaker 1: and a cadaver dog, you know what I mean.
28:27
Speaker 2: But we can get a cadaver dog on here in
28:29
Speaker 2: interview them and see.
28:30
Speaker 1: I want to own a cadaver dog because I just
28:34
Speaker 1: because I want to search and rescue dog and I
28:37
Speaker 1: want a cadaver dog.
28:38
Speaker 2: First. You got to take this dog on the walks
28:40
Speaker 2: and I'll get a cadaver dog.
28:41
Speaker 1: He's look at him, he's lazy. He doesn't want to
28:42
Speaker 1: go on a walk. A private investigator testified that if
28:46
Speaker 1: it was possible to enter or leave the home without
28:48
Speaker 1: being caught on camera, implying Maya could have left voluntarily,
28:52
Speaker 1: all right, So she could have snuck out the back
28:54
Speaker 1: door or something right right, and left her kids and
28:57
Speaker 1: her person.
28:58
Speaker 2: This husband, Yeah, like a killer.
29:02
Speaker 1: Does he look like a killer? No, he looks like
29:05
Speaker 1: a normal, average guy named Larry. They both worked at
29:09
Speaker 1: the naval base. That's why they're in San Diego. They
29:12
Speaker 1: both worked at the naval base. A third witness was
29:14
Speaker 1: called to support the emotional abuse narrative that Larry was
29:18
Speaker 1: the one who was actually suffering in the marriage and
29:21
Speaker 1: not Maya. So those were the three. That was the defense.
29:24
Speaker 1: It was suffering, but the way he handled it was murder. Right,
29:29
Speaker 1: Jamie Laird, So this is a memory. I told you
29:31
Speaker 1: earlier that Maya was having an affair. This is his name.
29:34
Speaker 1: His name was Jamie Laird. This is who she was
29:36
Speaker 1: having an affair with. And the defense tried to cast
29:39
Speaker 1: suspicion on him. Even though the judge ruled that they
29:42
Speaker 1: couldn't use a third party defense. They couldn't say that
29:45
Speaker 1: it was somebody else, that they couldn't use that as
29:47
Speaker 1: their defense. But they made the argument that investigators had
29:51
Speaker 1: blinders on and never properly confirmed Laird's alibi. Lard claimed
29:55
Speaker 1: that he was at the hospital from January seventh to
29:58
Speaker 1: tenth in twenty twenty one for the birth of his child,
30:01
Speaker 1: So basically while he was having an affair with Maya,
30:04
Speaker 1: he had a pregnant wife at home who went into labor.
30:08
Speaker 1: I believe the day that Maya disappeared, and so his
30:11
Speaker 1: alibi was I couldn't have killed her because I was
30:14
Speaker 1: at the hospital with my pregnant wife and she was
30:17
Speaker 1: giving birth. See. And this is why I don't understand
30:20
Speaker 1: why this story didn't have more of a global headline.
30:25
Speaker 1: There's a lot of interesting details. The defense's biggest obstacle
30:38
Speaker 1: was a pre trial ruling by Judge Camerina barring the
30:41
Speaker 1: defense from arguing third party culpability. The judge ruled the
30:44
Speaker 1: defense hadn't met the legal threshold to formally point the
30:47
Speaker 1: finger at anyone else, so they just allude to it
30:50
Speaker 1: by saying that, you know, the investigators didn't thoroughly investigate
30:54
Speaker 1: the person she was having an affair with. July ninth,
30:58
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty six after this is recently, this is
31:01
Speaker 1: only a couple of weeks ago. After deliberating for about
31:03
Speaker 1: one day, the jurors convicted Larry a first degree murdered,
31:06
Speaker 1: despite Maya's body never being found. Jurors later said the
31:10
Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence was overwhelmingly pointed to his guilt. I think
31:15
Speaker 1: so too.
31:16
Speaker 2: I mean, how many things too?
31:17
Speaker 1: How many? I mean, I know it's not direct evidence,
31:19
Speaker 1: but sometimes the whole bunch of circumstantial evidence. You get
31:23
Speaker 1: to the point where you're like, there's no reasonable conclusions
31:25
Speaker 1: other than he committed murder. And she's and.
31:28
Speaker 2: It's like and it's like, okay, sir, fine, you didn't
31:31
Speaker 2: kill her. Explain it. She went in your house and
31:34
Speaker 2: never came out. You have all these weapons, you wanted, spellcasters, like,
31:39
Speaker 2: you did all these things, So explain where she is.
31:41
Speaker 1: Right, It's not well, he never search for her either, remember.
31:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's at some point you have a duty.
31:49
Speaker 2: You know, if there's video footage of a man getting
31:55
Speaker 2: in a car with his young son, a young child
31:58
Speaker 2: and driving away and then that child I was missing,
32:00
Speaker 2: and he goes, I don't know, I don't know what happened, Like, yeah,
32:02
Speaker 2: but you were with him last Yeah, explain it. I
32:06
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. I mean, it's got to
32:08
Speaker 2: be a point where it's like, well, you need to know,
32:09
Speaker 2: and you need to figure it out and tell us
32:11
Speaker 2: or it's going to be you.
32:12
Speaker 1: Well, according to the defense, it's the person that she
32:16
Speaker 1: had an affair with even though they couldn't directly say that.
32:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy's got no circumstantial evidence. Probably did he
32:21
Speaker 2: she even have an affair?
32:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, she did. She had an affair.
32:24
Speaker 2: It wasn't that long, prior long, prior to this. No, Oh,
32:26
Speaker 2: it was like current.
32:28
Speaker 1: I believe so. Yeah, because his alibi was that his
32:30
Speaker 1: wife was having a baby all the day she disappeared.
32:36
Speaker 2: I'm a married many excuse me.
32:40
Speaker 1: Larry faces twenty five years to life and state prison.
32:44
Speaker 1: On July twentieth, to twenty twenty six, Larry pleads guilty
32:47
Speaker 1: to unrelated gun charges, so separate from the murder case,
32:50
Speaker 1: Larry also faces a charge of possessing an unregistered assault weapon,
32:54
Speaker 1: one of several firearms sees when investigators executed a gun
32:58
Speaker 1: violence restraining order at the Mayette home in twenty twenty
33:01
Speaker 1: one during the search for Maya. I guess they'd been
33:03
Speaker 1: presented with some evidence that showed photos of their four
33:07
Speaker 1: year old son on a table or with assault rifles
33:11
Speaker 1: around him. So that was enough to Why do people like.
33:16
Speaker 2: Praise guns all the time? Like, I get, do you
33:18
Speaker 2: want guns? You collect guns? I get? But when they
33:21
Speaker 2: like showcase it all the time, it's weird. I think
33:24
Speaker 2: you should protect them. I think they're They're not something
33:27
Speaker 2: you just showcase like as a sport. It's something you
33:29
Speaker 2: should probably kind of care for and secure and lock
33:34
Speaker 2: and you know, maintain.
33:36
Speaker 1: You're saying you shouldn't have your four year old son
33:39
Speaker 1: jumping around your assault rifles and then take a picture
33:41
Speaker 1: of it like it's.
33:42
Speaker 2: Funny, right, right, I don't think it's funny at all.
33:44
Speaker 1: The weapons charge never came up during the murder trial.
33:47
Speaker 1: His defense team successfully argued to have it excluded through
33:50
Speaker 1: a legal process known as a bifurcation, which allows charges
33:54
Speaker 1: to be tried separately when they aren't directly relevant to
33:57
Speaker 1: the primary case. Well, obviously is defensed that brought in
34:00
Speaker 1: because that just tastes the jury, right, They're just like, well,
34:02
Speaker 1: this guy's just like.
34:03
Speaker 2: To pretend he's not a gun owner for now. He's
34:06
Speaker 2: just for the trial.
34:07
Speaker 1: If convicted on the weapons charge, he could face up
34:09
Speaker 1: to three additional years in prison. Well, if he ends
34:12
Speaker 1: up with life, then what's the three additional years? Right?
34:14
Speaker 1: It will be up to the judge on whether those
34:16
Speaker 1: years run alongside or after his murder sentence. Larry has
34:19
Speaker 1: been in the.
34:20
Speaker 2: Other crimes get overturned or whatever, then you just sick.
34:24
Speaker 1: The Larry has been in custody since late twenty twenty one,
34:28
Speaker 1: so he's already accrued nearly five years of credit toward
34:30
Speaker 1: whatever sentence is ultimately handed down. He has not been
34:34
Speaker 1: sentenced yet because he was just convicted. I think it
34:36
Speaker 1: was like two weeks ago, so we don't know what
34:38
Speaker 1: it is. Said says it's twenty five to life, but.
34:41
Speaker 2: We'll see my life is what he's up against.
34:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see what the judge sentences Larry.
34:46
Speaker 2: Okay, So do we have a sentencing hearing date or anything.
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Speaker 1: It is scheduled for September twenty ninth, twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 1: so it's coming up relatively soon. So we will follow
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Speaker 1: that to do an update on Larry meet and how
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Speaker 1: long his sentence is. So do you have any final
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Speaker 1: thoughts on Larry.
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Speaker 2: I'm getting he he's getting twenty.
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Speaker 1: Plus years, twenty plus with eligibility for parole. It's all.
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Speaker 2: I'm just more than twenty. I think twenty five to
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Speaker 2: life or twenty five or twenty with prol I don't know,
35:16
Speaker 2: but I hope you get.
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Speaker 1: What do you think about if he fessed up to
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Speaker 1: where the body was if he got reduced time, do
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Speaker 1: you think a prosecutor should take that.
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Speaker 2: I I don't know because I'm not in that position,
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Speaker 2: and I hope i'm never am. But if I were,
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Speaker 2: I think the answer would be new like, I'm not
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Speaker 2: going to give you something like you don't owe me
35:38
Speaker 2: something like I'm not trading anything with you. I'm not
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Speaker 2: bargaining with you. So you're saying, but I understand if
35:43
Speaker 2: the family wants the body, I wouldn't question it one bit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a hard position, it is.
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying what I think I would do, but
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Speaker 2: I don't know what.
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Speaker 1: I would do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a murder.
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Speaker 1: Yeah he did it. He did it. We know that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I wonder when people go to jail like this.
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Speaker 2: But now he's in prison. Let's say, rightt's say he
35:58
Speaker 2: gets twenty to life whatever, and he's in jail, prison,
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Speaker 2: and he's in prison forever, like every day do you
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Speaker 2: sit there and think, why did I drop my phone?
36:06
Speaker 2: I should have put it in an O, Why did
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Speaker 2: I do this? I should have done that because I
36:10
Speaker 2: do in just everyday life. Right, I should have said this.
36:12
Speaker 2: I should have done that. So did they do that
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Speaker 2: every single day? I was so close his filed for divorce.
36:19
Speaker 2: If that spellcaster just did their job, you know, like,
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Speaker 2: what do they think every day? Because I don't think
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Speaker 2: he's sitting there thinking I should have let her lived
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Speaker 2: that was wrong with me. Yeah, I don't think it's that. No,
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Speaker 2: sometimes it may be. In this case, I don't think
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Speaker 2: that's what it is.
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Speaker 1: Right. Did Chris Wats ever have any remorse?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, you know, he doesn't like, oh,
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Speaker 2: let him freeze remorseful.
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Speaker 1: His remorse is nothing more than writing. He would write
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Speaker 1: stuff from prison about how he was really a good
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Speaker 1: guy and things like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think later he came around and he
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Speaker 2: was more like you. I mean, it was only remorse
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Speaker 2: so much, right, Yeah, it kind of doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't change anything at the end of the day.
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