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The Kenny Report | 5 November · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: While the net zero debate continues in Parliament, Labour's planning
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  Speaker 2: to spend a billion dollars of your money on a
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  Speaker 2: climate talkfest. New York City elects a socialist mayor and
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  Speaker 2: he immediately takes aim at President Trump. Meanwhile, Pauline Hansen
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  Speaker 2: has celebrated Halloween with President Trump in the Winter White House.
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  Speaker 1: I kid you not. I'll cross to her in Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Thousands of Christians are being slaughtered by ISLAMUS terrorists in Nigeria.
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  Speaker 2: What needs to happen. I'll talk to the former US
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  Speaker 2: Ambassador for Religious Freedom. I have a Lenin Cohen musical
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  Speaker 2: treat too, And in the Wednesday Rangele we'll talk liberal
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  Speaker 2: turmoil and Victoria's crime crisis.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Climate change and energy policy again dominated Federal Parliament, where
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  Speaker 2: our government show it's got net zero idea of the
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  Speaker 2: issues at stake. I mean have to listen to this
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  Speaker 2: from the Treasurer as he slams the Liberals for daring
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  Speaker 2: to even consider dropping the net zero by twenty to
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  Speaker 2: fifty target.
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  Speaker 3: This is the economic insanity that those opposite look likely
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  Speaker 3: to adopt mister speak out, what they are proposing is
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  Speaker 3: absolutely insane.
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  Speaker 2: Well, might he raise the issue of insanity because spending
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  Speaker 2: trillions of dollars on net zero, sending electricity prices to
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  Speaker 2: record highs, undermining energy security, and sending jobs and investment
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  Speaker 2: off shore to aim for a target that will not
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  Speaker 2: be achieved and that will not make any difference to
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  Speaker 2: the environment or the climate anyway, Well, that is literally insane.
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  Speaker 2: Huge economic and social and environmental costs, with vast areas
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  Speaker 2: of country, streetside and bushland defiled by renewable projects and
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  Speaker 2: transmission lines, all these costs for no discernible gain. Now
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  Speaker 2: that is madness. Turning an energy rich nation into an
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  Speaker 2: energy basket case while we export coal, gas and uranium
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  Speaker 2: for other nations to prosper.
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  Speaker 1: Now that is madness.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what else is crazy, and that is
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  Speaker 2: bidding to host the world's largest annual climate change gabfest.
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  Speaker 2: The United Nations Conference of Parties or COP. Brazil is
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  Speaker 2: hosting COP thirty next week.
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  Speaker 4: What makes up.
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  Speaker 5: Billy is getting ready ready to welcome ideas, cultures and solutions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're ready in Brazil to welcome tens of thousands
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  Speaker 2: of delegates in Berlin, where apparently they'll do more than
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  Speaker 2: just talk.
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  Speaker 5: This is not just any COP. COUP thirty is a
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  Speaker 5: Cup of actions, a COP focused on implementation from local
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  Speaker 5: voices to global leadership. But as you is ready to
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  Speaker 5: host Cup thirty and inspire climate action worldwide.
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  Speaker 2: COP that, well, Australians are expected to cop it. The
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  Speaker 2: Albanezy Labor government wants to host the next one next year,
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  Speaker 2: but even still our Prime minister isn't likely to turn
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  Speaker 2: up in Brazil.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we are advocating to most COP in at the
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  Speaker 6: end of next year. We're working through those issues, so.
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  Speaker 7: You're going to be attending.
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  Speaker 6: No, I didn't say that. I very clearly didn't say
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  Speaker 6: that we're working through those issues. Will be a representable.
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  Speaker 6: I've said I'm certainly prepared to travel, including to Bellum,
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  Speaker 6: if that makes a difference. But if there's not an agreement,
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  Speaker 6: then the default is that the COP will be held
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  Speaker 6: in bond. That's the way the rules have been written.
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  Speaker 2: Make of that what you will. But as of the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister will he was still talking up his
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  Speaker 2: hopes of hosting COP thirty one.
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  Speaker 8: I'm still hopeful.
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  Speaker 6: So indeed, and we are engaging with the Pacific. We
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  Speaker 6: want to make sure that their interests are protected in
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  Speaker 6: this as well, because they're particularly vulnerable for climate change.
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  Speaker 6: For them, countries like Tabalu and Caravasis and e substential
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  Speaker 6: threat to their very existence, which is why this is
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  Speaker 6: such a strong issue in our region and why Australia
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  Speaker 6: will continue to act on climate change because it is
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  Speaker 6: in our national interest.
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  Speaker 1: An existential threat to their very existence.
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  Speaker 2: There we go with that unfounded climate alarmism, again citing
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  Speaker 2: existential threats for islands that are growing. But my point
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  Speaker 2: here is what about the financial cost. The Australian Financial
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  Speaker 2: Review reports the total cost of the COP thirty one
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  Speaker 2: if it's held here, will top a billion dollars. The
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  Speaker 2: cost of hosting the climate summit in Adelaide would be
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  Speaker 2: at least a billion dollars according to the Albanezy government's
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  Speaker 2: own estimates, further fueling the mixed views within the cabinet
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  Speaker 2: about the desirability of securing the event, reported the AF Well,
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's a relief to know that someone in
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  Speaker 2: cabinet opposes this, But whoever it is, they're not winning
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  Speaker 2: because the government is serious. It wants to spend a
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars to bring forty thousand or more bureaucrats and
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  Speaker 2: politicians and climate rent seekers to Adelaide.
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  Speaker 9: We are South Australia are not waiting for the world
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  Speaker 9: where leading. It is leading with wind and leading with solar,
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  Speaker 9: bleeding with batteries, leading with hydrogen. In less than two decades,
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  Speaker 9: we've gone from one percent renewables to seventy five percent,
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  Speaker 9: the highest proportion of variable renewable energy penetration in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that little spill forgot to mention South Australia is
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  Speaker 2: leading the world with some of the world's most expensive electricity,
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  Speaker 2: certainly the most costly.
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  Speaker 1: In the nation.
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  Speaker 2: Nor did they mention the first statewide power blackouts in
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  Speaker 2: the state's history. And neither did the video mention the
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  Speaker 2: green hydrogen plants falling over or the bailouts for refineries
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  Speaker 2: and steel works crippled by energy costs in South Australia.
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  Speaker 2: South Australia is all in on the climate talkfest. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't want to focus on its electricity record, or the
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  Speaker 2: costs of the event, or the huge carbon footprint.
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  Speaker 1: Of flying everyone in. They just want to focus on
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  Speaker 1: all the climate and energy fun.
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  Speaker 9: We have a perfect capital city for one of the
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  Speaker 9: biggest international conferences in the world cop big enough to
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  Speaker 9: welcome the world, small enough to walk aloud, with capacity
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  Speaker 9: to host forty thousand attendees, here to tackle one of
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  Speaker 9: the world's biggest challenges, climate change.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I love Adelaide, my old hometown. Go for the footy,
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  Speaker 2: go for the cricket. But this is a crock, a
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  Speaker 2: waste of taxpayers money.
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  Speaker 1: On a grand scale.
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  Speaker 2: For the cost of this conference, they could build a
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  Speaker 2: large gas fired generation plant in South Australia and another
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  Speaker 2: one in Victoria as well to buttress our national electricity
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  Speaker 2: grid which is in a shambles thanks to the renewables push.
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  Speaker 2: But no your governments, the State Labor government and the
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi Federal Labor government would prefer to spend a billion
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  Speaker 2: dollars on hot air.
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  Speaker 10: The Spacific has strongly support our bid, working on the
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  Speaker 10: opportunities of selling Australia's renewable energy potential the world's largest
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  Speaker 10: trades fair. This is the opportunity for our country. That's
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  Speaker 10: what I'm focused on.
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  Speaker 2: Some opportunity, an opportunity to spend a fortune and make
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  Speaker 2: ourselves look like fools. We should know whether or not
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  Speaker 2: Adelaide and Australia gets this in the next week or two.
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  Speaker 2: They effectively need Turkey to withdraw. Otherwise both Australia and
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  Speaker 2: Turkey miss out, and Germany the city of bond will
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  Speaker 2: host it. If Australia doesn't get it, taxpayers will.
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  Speaker 1: Have dodged a billion dollar bullet. But I kind of
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  Speaker 1: want to see it happen.
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  Speaker 2: I want the hypocrisy and indulgence to be there on
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  Speaker 2: display for everyone to see. And I hope Adelaide gets
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  Speaker 2: hit by a heat wave while it's on because its
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  Speaker 2: renewables won't be able to cope with the energy demand.
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  Speaker 2: Mind you, that'd probably blame the weather on climate change anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Two major news.
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  Speaker 2: Items in the US I need to mention tonight. First,
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  Speaker 2: the socialist democrat Zorn Mumdhani has won the New York
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  Speaker 2: City mayoral election. And if you want to know how
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  Speaker 2: he won and why this might shake up the political
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  Speaker 2: scene right across the US, have a listen to his
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  Speaker 2: victory speech.
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  Speaker 11: If anyone can show a nation betrayed by Donald Trump
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  Speaker 11: how to defeat him, it is the city that gave
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  Speaker 11: rise to him. This is not only how we stop Trump,
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  Speaker 11: it's how we stop the next one. So, Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 11: since I know you're watching, I have four words for you.
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  Speaker 1: Turn the volume up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be the mayor versus the president.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Trump derangement syndrome hasn't really helped most Democrats in the
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  Speaker 2: medium term, but mum Dami is riding.
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  Speaker 1: High for now.
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  Speaker 2: His policies are deeply worrying. Let's see how he goes
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  Speaker 2: and how Trump responds. The other American story today is
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  Speaker 2: that terrible air crash in Kentucky with at least seven
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  Speaker 2: people dead. It was a devastating crash soon after take
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  Speaker 2: off with the cargo plane.
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  Speaker 1: Full of fuel.
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  Speaker 2: As you can see the fireball engulfed nearby buildings. It's
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  Speaker 2: believed the three plane crew are among the dead, with
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  Speaker 2: at least four more killed on the ground, and there
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  Speaker 2: are fears the death toll could rise with at least
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  Speaker 2: eleven people injured as well. Let's go to national security issues,
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  Speaker 2: and there was an important speech given last night by
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  Speaker 2: the ASO boss, Mike Burgess. He focused on fundamentalist Islamist group,
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  Speaker 2: his Butteria. This is a group I've talked to you
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  Speaker 2: about for many years. A group is listed as a
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  Speaker 2: terror organization in many Muslim countries and in the UK,
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  Speaker 2: but not here in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Have A listened to Mike Burgess.
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  Speaker 12: Well on entities such as his but Teria is religiously motivated,
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  Speaker 12: It's provocative behavior of fence. If rhetoric and insidious strategy
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  Speaker 12: are very similar to the tactics of the National Socialist Network.
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  Speaker 12: The organization's condemnation of Israel and Jews attracts immedia attention
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  Speaker 12: and aids recruitment, but it deliberately stops short of promoting
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  Speaker 12: onshore acts of violence or acts of politic motivated violence.
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  Speaker 12: His Butteria wants to test and stretch the boundaries of
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  Speaker 12: legality without breaking them. As with neo Nazis, this does
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  Speaker 12: not make their behavior acceptable. I fear its anti Israel
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  Speaker 12: rhetoric is fueling and normalizing wider anti Semitic narratives.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Peter Jennings, now Director of Strategic Analysis Australia,
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  Speaker 2: joining us live from camera.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Peter.
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  Speaker 2: We've spoken before about his book career, their impact on Australia,
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  Speaker 2: the way they've helped inflame anti Semitic attitudes and actions
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  Speaker 2: in this country. When asios say they're going right up
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  Speaker 2: to the threshold of the law and and then stepping
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  Speaker 2: back for fear of being listed, doesn't that just underscore
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  Speaker 2: the need to do something legislative or legislativity or some
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  Speaker 2: way to actually listen them, to actually ban them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 13: I mean our government likes to say that it's in
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  Speaker 13: step with like minded democracies on issues to do with
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  Speaker 13: Israel in the Middle East, and it should be in
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  Speaker 13: step with those democracies when it comes to banning his
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  Speaker 13: book Torea. It's not just that they'll test the law,
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  Speaker 13: it's that they may occasionally go beyond it. And it's
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  Speaker 13: very clear from Mike Purchase's speech that what they're doing
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  Speaker 13: is they're radicalizing and exposing their ideology to a much
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  Speaker 13: larger group of people which have been the sort of
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  Speaker 13: fringes of the protest movement over the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the danger.
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  Speaker 13: So yes, our government should be taking it at least
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  Speaker 13: as seriously as a director general of ASIO. And I
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  Speaker 13: think it's all credit to Mike Purchase that he's prepared
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  Speaker 13: to raise this issues publicly in a way that the
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  Speaker 13: government won't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just to clarify that what you're saying is his
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  Speaker 2: books rear. While they're not engaged in actions that are
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  Speaker 2: illegal at the moment, the radicalization that they encourage through
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  Speaker 2: their messaging can of course lead to others to take
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  Speaker 2: drastic action.
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  Speaker 13: Yes, and this is something I've been writing about for
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  Speaker 13: as long as the protest movements have been happening. That
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  Speaker 13: is the danger Crest is that it brings in a
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  Speaker 13: much wider group, exposes them to this ideology and sort
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  Speaker 13: of presses for greater toleration of an extremist set of views.
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  Speaker 13: I thought it was very interesting that Mike Burgess and
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  Speaker 13: his speech referred to last summer as the summer of
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  Speaker 13: anti Semitism, which I thought was an excellent phrase. And
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  Speaker 13: of course during all of that summer our government was doing.
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  Speaker 1: Its level best to play it down.
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  Speaker 13: But Burgess shines a light on the risk of exposing
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  Speaker 13: a larger group of Australians to extremist ideology, and I
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  Speaker 13: think that's something that has to give rise to greater
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  Speaker 13: concerns about security in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I've got to say some of us have been
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  Speaker 2: talking about the scourge of anti Semitism since November the eighth,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and you have.
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  Speaker 1: Been a strong voice on this, Peter.
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  Speaker 2: We on this program have drawn attention to it and
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  Speaker 2: as you say, it has been frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: The government has been so passive on this.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why Mike Burgess's comments last night, we're so important,
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  Speaker 2: as you say, is as the Asia chief to really
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  Speaker 2: push the public debate and the government along on this
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  Speaker 2: is important. The other startling bit of news that came
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  Speaker 2: from him related to the possibility for political assassination in
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  Speaker 2: this country carried out by foreign nations.
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  Speaker 1: We now know, of course that the Iran has been
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  Speaker 1: fingered for the.
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  Speaker 2: Synagogue fire attack in Melbourne and some other anti Semitic acts.
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  Speaker 1: What are the other countries?
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  Speaker 2: Just before I come to you on let's have a
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  Speaker 2: look at what Mike Burges had to say.
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  Speaker 12: ASO assesses there is a realistic possibility of foreign government
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  Speaker 12: will attempt to assassinate a perceived dissident in Australia. This
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  Speaker 12: threat is real. We believe there are at least three
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  Speaker 12: nations willing and capable of conducting lethal targeting here. It's
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  Speaker 12: entirely possible the regimes would try to hide their involvement
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  Speaker 12: by hiring criminal cutouts, as Iran did when directing its
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  Speaker 12: arson attacks.
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  Speaker 1: Deeply worrying stuff. Peter. Obviously I ran in the frame
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  Speaker 1: who would the other countries be?
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  Speaker 13: I think Russia would have to be one, because we've
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  Speaker 13: seen Russia carry out assassinations on political regime opponents.
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  Speaker 1: In other countries.
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  Speaker 13: And then there's potentially a group of also countries that
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  Speaker 13: should be regarded as suspects.
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  Speaker 1: China.
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  Speaker 13: That's an interesting one to speculate on, Chris. The Chinese
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  Speaker 13: Communist Party won't hesitate to disappear people inside their own
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  Speaker 13: country who are regime opponents. I think a little bit
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  Speaker 13: more careful about doing it overseas, but maybe they have
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  Speaker 13: in some developed countries. And then there are other authoritarian
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  Speaker 13: regimes which I think are very focused on diaspora populations,
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  Speaker 13: of which we have large numbers of different diasporas in
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  Speaker 13: Australia who may well be prepared to bring that type
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  Speaker 13: of violence to Australia and who we see doing that
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  Speaker 13: in other countries. So, you know, perhaps the surprising thing
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  Speaker 13: is not so much that it's just three countries. But
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  Speaker 13: note that Mike Burger said at least three, and in
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  Speaker 13: fact I think the number might be somewhat greater.
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  Speaker 2: Than that disturbing stuff, but great to have it brought
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  Speaker 2: into the public debate.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Peter Jennings there from Strategic Analysis Australia. I want to
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  Speaker 2: stay in Canberra though now and catch up on political developments.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm joined by Shadow Minister for Regional Development and
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  Speaker 2: Webster and thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: You're according a division. You would have.
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  Speaker 2: Missed the start of the show where I outline the
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  Speaker 2: alban Easy labor governments and the Malanowskis labor governments. Billion
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  Speaker 2: dollar bid to host the COP thirty one climate talk
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  Speaker 2: fest in Australia next year.
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  Speaker 1: Surely this shouldn't go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Surely there were better ways to spend a billion dollars.
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  Speaker 14: Well, once again we see the Prime Minister, now joined
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  Speaker 14: by the South Australian Premier, seeking to strut on the
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  Speaker 14: world stage at our expense, as tax payers expense one
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  Speaker 14: billion dollars. You know, they're rush for renewables, the rush
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  Speaker 14: to hit targets they'll never meet, and they want to
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  Speaker 14: bring it here so that they can show off what
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  Speaker 14: a great job we're doing. It reminds me of the
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  Speaker 14: boy that pulls out the plumb, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, I just can't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I hope it goes ahead because I think it'll
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  Speaker 2: bring shame on them and shame on those involved in it.
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  Speaker 2: But it looks like maybe a Turkey won back.
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  Speaker 1: Down and it'll go to Germany. Anyway, we shall see you.
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  Speaker 2: In a related matter, I want you to tell me
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  Speaker 2: about the Environmental Defender's Office. This is an office that's
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  Speaker 2: had government funding. It was withdrawn under the the Coalition
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  Speaker 2: government some years ago, but now getting eleven million dollars
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  Speaker 2: of taxpayers money.
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  Speaker 1: It's run by a bunch of activists.
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  Speaker 2: We've exposed that before, essentially spending government money to take
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  Speaker 2: legal action against projects and developments that have.
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  Speaker 1: Already been approved by government.
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  Speaker 2: It's like government taxpayers money working against taxpayers interests.
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  Speaker 1: How can this go on?
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  Speaker 14: Look absolutely, I mean it, honestly. Does your head in
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  Speaker 14: the government continue to talk about productivity? We talk about
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  Speaker 14: productivity because they're doing such a bad job, down zero
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  Speaker 14: point seven percent and not getting any better anytime soon,
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  Speaker 14: and they fund to eleven million dollars. We said at
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  Speaker 14: the last election that we would defund the EDO for
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  Speaker 14: a very good reason, because we actually do care about
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  Speaker 14: productivity on our side of the house, and we don't
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  Speaker 14: want to see those big businesses, the people who are
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  Speaker 14: providing the job send the security to our regional communities
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  Speaker 14: in particular, obviously in my particular passion, we don't want
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  Speaker 14: to see them stop. We don't want to see businesses
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  Speaker 14: go overseas, we don't want to see manufacturers give up.
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  Speaker 1: And this is.
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  Speaker 14: All part of the mess, the cobweb of mess that
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  Speaker 14: labor have created.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's actually a corruption of the process when you
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  Speaker 2: think about it, because government is supposed to weigh up
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  Speaker 2: all these decisions and make decisions but after considering environmental
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  Speaker 2: aspects or indigenous aspects, and they're supposed to stand by
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  Speaker 2: that decision. Now, if someone else wants to challenge it, fine,
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  Speaker 2: but they're actually funding with government money an activist body
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  Speaker 2: to come and challenge their own decision.
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  Speaker 14: I know it's absolutely crazy. You wouldn't actually dream it
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  Speaker 14: up in your own head, but you know this is
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  Speaker 14: what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you tear your head out where you tear your
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  Speaker 2: hair out, and as you can see in my case,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I've been doing that for a long while. Thanks for
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: joining us hen and webs to the National's Member for
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Mali and the shadow Regional Development Minister.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a break. On the other side,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: we've got to.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Change your pace a little bit of a musical treat
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: courtesy of Leonard Cohen and his great songs that's coming
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: up after this break.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I mentioned the other night when I was talking with
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Kristen Tate that it would be a fair deal if Katie.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Perry went off to Canada with Justin Trudeau, because Canada
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: has sent so much better to the US and the
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: rest of the world. I mentioned kd Lang and Neil
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Young of course, and another great favorite of mine, the
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: late great Leonard Cohen. Well, it turns out that this
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Saturday night in Sydney's State Theater, the national tour of
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Cohen Noirs, celebration of Leonard Cohen's music, comes to an end.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Joining me on the set, now is you Ron hallis
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: from Monsieur Camembert, who put on the show.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: We'ren great to talk to you, great, thanks for coming in,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Now tell us about Leonard Cohen and Cohen NOI, you've
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: done a national tour of this, Yeah, how's it gone down?
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  Speaker 15: It's been an amazing ride. We've been doing the show
• 22:05
  Speaker 15: for about fifteen years, but this is the first time
• 22:07
  Speaker 15: that we've actually been able to take this crazy monster
• 22:11
  Speaker 15: of a show on the road. There's so many it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 15: a huge cost. There'll be seventeen of us on stage
• 22:16
  Speaker 15: at the State Theater plus a seventy piece choir, so
• 22:19
  Speaker 15: it's a big, big undertaking. Hence why we've never actually
• 22:22
  Speaker 15: toured it. We were invited to play at the International
• 22:25
  Speaker 15: Leonard Cohen Festival in Canada, which was an incredible buzz opportunity,
• 22:30
  Speaker 15: but aside from that, we haven't toured the show very much.
• 22:33
  Speaker 15: So to have just done seven shows back to back
• 22:35
  Speaker 15: and this will be the eight is a wonderful opportunity.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: The thing about Leonard Cohen, right is this imbage of
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: him is very dull and dreary and one man with
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: a guitar, whereas his songs are so beautiful actually, so
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: what's different there? Instead of, you know, a stripped down
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: version of Leonard Cohen, you've got seventeen people on stage.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: And solidly Yeah, you're so right.
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  Speaker 15: That music just slitch youer wists by is often what
• 23:00
  Speaker 15: his early works were, at least described as, whereas there's
• 23:02
  Speaker 15: so much humor, and it's such a rich pellette to
• 23:05
  Speaker 15: draw upon, so especially with our instrumentation, accordion, sass, violins,
• 23:10
  Speaker 15: all sorts of Mexican harp, Mongolian throat singing. There's a
• 23:14
  Speaker 15: lot of colors that we can bring to this music.
• 23:16
  Speaker 15: And really Cohen songs are the ultimate blank canvas, which
• 23:20
  Speaker 15: is why I guess so many artists have covered them
• 23:22
  Speaker 15: over the years. And so to be able to take
• 23:25
  Speaker 15: these incredible not only obviously the wonderful poetry, but he
• 23:28
  Speaker 15: was also a writer of such great melody. So to
• 23:31
  Speaker 15: be able to take these beautiful melodies and this poetry
• 23:34
  Speaker 15: and do something novel with it has been a real,
• 23:38
  Speaker 15: real thrill.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: One of the most covered songs in the world, and
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: certainly probably the best known learned carn song is Hellelujah.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at a snippet of your performance, Helllijay.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Everybody's covered that from Katie laying Down and everybody knows it.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: But do you find that the people coming to the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: show know all these songs or are they discovered for
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the first time.
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  Speaker 15: It's such a mix. We've got the die hard Cohen
• 24:22
  Speaker 15: fans that will know if we trip over a single lyric,
• 24:25
  Speaker 15: they'll be onto us versus ones that are actually rather
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: uninitiated beyond things like Hallelujah, perhaps Bird on a Wire.
• 24:32
  Speaker 15: They may not be that familiar with the depth of
• 24:36
  Speaker 15: his back catalog. So it's wonderful to be able to
• 24:38
  Speaker 15: expose all of this music to people that perhaps don't
• 24:43
  Speaker 15: as intimate with Cohen as perhaps you are.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I he only died a few years ago, and he
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: was still touring right up too close to his death.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at another one of our things
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: is who by fire.
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  Speaker 1: Party?
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  Speaker 4: Ooo oooh foshung.
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  Speaker 1: Great stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So you have a variety of singers of a wide
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: range of instruments, acquire what's the finale?
• 25:24
  Speaker 15: Ah, that would be telling all right, I'll tell you well,
• 25:27
  Speaker 15: it has to culm with it and dance me to
• 25:28
  Speaker 15: the end of love. Because that was the genesis of
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: this whole show. We've been playing that show that song
• 25:33
  Speaker 15: since the nineties, and it was our most requested song.
• 25:37
  Speaker 15: So inevitably it led us to delving far deeper into
• 25:40
  Speaker 15: the Cohen catalog. But to have these incredible singers join us.
• 25:44
  Speaker 15: You just saw Timothy James Bowen, Dana ruvas Iota, Lin
• 25:48
  Speaker 15: Bo tel Abbi Dobson. They just such wonderful, wonderful singers.
• 25:52
  Speaker 15: So it's a true pleasure to be able to share
• 25:54
  Speaker 15: the stage with them in separating this music.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Such great songs.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I'm reading a book about letting can at the moment
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: sounds fantastic. Last show Saturday night at the State Theater
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: in Sydney. You can get tickets via ticket Master.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: You're Ron Hallis. Thanks so much for joining us as well.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Cheers You're on Hallis there from Monsieur Camembert. Now we've
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: got to take a break.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that, I've got a couple
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of incredible interviews with you, one about Christians being slaughtered
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: in Nigeria, but also I catch up with Pauline Hansen
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: at Mari Lago. Now after securing that peace plan between
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Israel and Hamas the US President, Donald Trump has threatened
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to intervene in Nigeria to take on Islamus terrorists targeting
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Christians there. Here's some of the recent coverage.
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: Nigeria has faced deadly attacks from Islamist insurgents like Bokoharam
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: and Islamic State West Africa for over fifteen years, with
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: most violence concentrated in the Muslim majority northeast. The country
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: is split between a largely Muslim North and a mostly
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: Christian South.
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: They're killing record numbers of Christians in Nigeria.
• 27:05
  Speaker 16: Earlier, mister Trump slam the Nigerian government on social media
• 27:09
  Speaker 16: for failing to crack down on the killing of what
• 27:11
  Speaker 16: he called our cherished Christians, even instructing his Department of
• 27:15
  Speaker 16: War to prepare for possible action.
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: Thirty five faith leaders are calling on President Trump to
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: act on the deadly persecution of Christians in Nigeria. Since
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: two thousand and nine, over fifty two thousand Christians have
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: been killed, including seven thousand this year. More than eighteen
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: thousand churches have been burned since two thousand and nine,
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: and over five million Christians have been displaced.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: The former US Ambassador for Religious Freedom is Sam Brownback,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: and I asked him why we've seen this upsurge in killings.
• 27:47
  Speaker 17: I think you're seeing the culmination of this build up
• 27:50
  Speaker 17: over decades taking place. Now you've got a virtual terrorist
• 27:54
  Speaker 17: convention happening in Nigeria. Number of different terrorist groups have
• 27:59
  Speaker 17: come to get there. They're not just in Nigeria, They're
• 28:02
  Speaker 17: in a whole region there and they want to establish
• 28:05
  Speaker 17: a caliphate. This is really the next target for a
• 28:09
  Speaker 17: caliphate Nigeria. That's the hell region and they're well on
• 28:13
  Speaker 17: their way, and I think that's why you're really seeing
• 28:15
  Speaker 17: the uptick taking place now.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: And some of this involves just deliberate slaughter of Christian communities.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Is that correct that it's very hard to get a
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: sense of the facts on the ground.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Given the limited media coverage.
• 28:31
  Speaker 17: It is hard to get good sense of facts on
• 28:34
  Speaker 17: the ground. But what we do know is multiple militant
• 28:37
  Speaker 17: Islamic terrorist groups are operating in the region. They're aggressively
• 28:42
  Speaker 17: targeting and moving out Christian populations and any Muslims that
• 28:47
  Speaker 17: get in their way if they don't agree with them.
• 28:50
  Speaker 17: And so you've got this great dislocation of Christians taking place.
• 28:54
  Speaker 17: But it's not just Nigeria now, it's really spreading to
• 28:57
  Speaker 17: that entire region and the countries around it. Very weak
• 29:01
  Speaker 17: and unstable governments in the region. You've got China and
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: Russia messing around in the region as well, and so
• 29:08
  Speaker 17: this is just a real powder keg that's gotten worse
• 29:11
  Speaker 17: and worse and probably the most deadly placed on the
• 29:14
  Speaker 17: planet to be a Christian.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing with Nigeria, of course, is that it's
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Africa's most populous nation. It's an oil rich nation, so
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: it should be prosperous. And the southern parts of it
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: are where most of the population is.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: This is happening mainly in the.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: North, where it's more remote, less prosperous, and more predominantly Muslim.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Is the country looking at some sort of petitioning or
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: should the government there be doing a lot more to
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: unify the whole nation?
• 29:45
  Speaker 17: Well, the government clearly should be doing a lot more
• 29:47
  Speaker 17: to protect the nation. This is the thing that they're
• 29:50
  Speaker 17: not doing. President Trump met with the then president of
• 29:54
  Speaker 17: Nigeria in his first term and he said, hey, you
• 29:57
  Speaker 17: got to start the killing Christians there, and the president back,
• 30:00
  Speaker 17: send US military out to the region, and the death
• 30:03
  Speaker 17: numbers fell.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: They can do it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 17: They haven't done it. They haven't been willing to, or
• 30:09
  Speaker 17: they've not felt like that they.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Can do it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 17: I don't know what it is. But what you're seeing now,
• 30:14
  Speaker 17: President Trump do is to put pressure on them address this,
• 30:17
  Speaker 17: start addressing this specific situation. And you know, again, my
• 30:22
  Speaker 17: concern is that you're going to see you could see
• 30:24
  Speaker 17: a military coup take over in Nigeria. You've had coups
• 30:28
  Speaker 17: in the region taking place in the most most populous
• 30:33
  Speaker 17: country in Africa, and that could easily spread, and it
• 30:37
  Speaker 17: also could create a lot of immigration flow into Europe,
• 30:41
  Speaker 17: the United States and other areas.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Look, it's not as the world hasn't had plenty of
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: warning them this. We only have to go back just
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: after just over a decade during the Obama years, when
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: of course there was those two hundred and seventy six
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: mostly Christian school girls kidnapped. There was a lot of
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: international focus on this. Many were rescued, many escaped, many
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: were killed.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: There's still eighty of those young girls.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: They were then a decade on unaccounted for, so obviously
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the world lost interest in their fate.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: What makes you hopeful that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: The international community might push Nigeria to take more action
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: now and give it support if it needs it.
• 31:23
  Speaker 17: Well, I think President Trump really raising this makes it
• 31:26
  Speaker 17: something that the international community will take focus. So I
• 31:30
  Speaker 17: think that also raises the heat and the pressure on
• 31:32
  Speaker 17: the Nigerian government to do something.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: And then on top of.
• 31:36
  Speaker 17: It, you've just got the entire region really as a problem,
• 31:40
  Speaker 17: as I've mentioned already. So I think those things together
• 31:44
  Speaker 17: bring more international focus. But let's be honest about it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 17: The international community can stay focused on an area for
• 31:51
  Speaker 17: six to eighteen months. That's kind of about the length
• 31:54
  Speaker 17: of time that they'll be focused. And if you don't
• 31:57
  Speaker 17: get something set and established in that period of time,
• 32:01
  Speaker 17: it's just going to dribble on and.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Get worse going on forward.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: But this is part of a big international problem, isn't it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Because while there are different political and even tribal enmities
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: involved here, the overarching problem Islamist extremist terrorism.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 32:20
  Speaker 17: I mean, and there been people talking about the number
• 32:22
  Speaker 17: of Muslims being killed, and that's true, but it's radical
• 32:26
  Speaker 17: Muslim extremists killing other Muslims that get in their way
• 32:30
  Speaker 17: or don't.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Agree with them.
• 32:32
  Speaker 17: It's still this radical Islamic element that's creating the problem
• 32:37
  Speaker 17: that wants to govern and run the area and wants
• 32:40
  Speaker 17: to run everybody that doesn't agree with them, mostly Christians,
• 32:43
  Speaker 17: but also Muslims out of the whole area.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Sam Brownback, thanks so much for joining us and helping
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: us keep the focus on this issue.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: My pleasure. Yeah, it's deeply worrying, isn't it. In the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: rest of the world. In the maind just standing by
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Now One Nation leader Pauline Hanson.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you know, it is staying at President Trump's Florida resort,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: marr Lago this week the Winter White House. It's not
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a taxpayer funded stay, by the way, but paul and
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Hanson has even attended the President's Halloween shindig.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I asked her how it went.
• 33:20
  Speaker 18: That'sue fantastic. It was an experienced Chris that I'm very
• 33:25
  Speaker 18: privileged to have been there, and it was good. I've
• 33:29
  Speaker 18: got to you and upfront, I like Trump, Okay, I
• 33:32
  Speaker 18: like his policy. So I think we're on the same page.
• 33:34
  Speaker 18: I've been saying a lot of these things before he
• 33:36
  Speaker 18: got elected, and to do with the immigration, about climate change,
• 33:41
  Speaker 18: about the Paris Agreement, getting out of that, about the country, patriotism,
• 33:46
  Speaker 18: so many things. We're on the same page about and
• 33:48
  Speaker 18: getting transgender out of the women's change rooms. So we're
• 33:54
  Speaker 18: all on the same page.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: A couple of fiery redheads with similar political views. You
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: haven't spoken with the President yet.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I know you're.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Speaking tomorrow at the Sea Pack event. He could be there.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: You might catch up with him yet. Tell us then
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: about what your focus is going to be in that speech.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: You'll be addressing a whole lot of American conservatives. What
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: are you going to tell them about conservatism in Australia.
• 34:20
  Speaker 18: I'm going to tell them the situation what's happened in Australia,
• 34:23
  Speaker 18: not unlike what they faced here, the mass migration, the
• 34:26
  Speaker 18: impact of having you on our country with the homeless,
• 34:29
  Speaker 18: and Chris to tell you the truth. Our facts that
• 34:32
  Speaker 18: we found out is that Australia has a three hundred
• 34:35
  Speaker 18: and fifty percent more homeless in Australia than what America does.
• 34:39
  Speaker 18: We're in a worse situation than what they are. And
• 34:43
  Speaker 18: mass migration. I'll be talking about climate change, getting out
• 34:46
  Speaker 18: of the Paris Accord Agreement. I'll be talking about defense.
• 34:49
  Speaker 18: We need to increase our defense spending and we need
• 34:53
  Speaker 18: to support our men and women who are joining up
• 34:56
  Speaker 18: for the defense force.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: We've got to give.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Them the.
• 34:59
  Speaker 18: Army and the materials to actually be able if they're
• 35:02
  Speaker 18: going to put their lives on the line. But why
• 35:03
  Speaker 18: shouldn't we back them with the best equipment and abilities
• 35:08
  Speaker 18: to ensure that they can do their job. We're not,
• 35:11
  Speaker 18: We're not protecting our country with security.
• 35:14
  Speaker 16: So that's a big.
• 35:15
  Speaker 18: Must and of course genertus for you and what's happening
• 35:19
  Speaker 18: in our country.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Look, the big difference when you talk about your agendas,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: you are very similar when it comes to strong borders
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and controlling immigration, economic nationalism, some of those gender issues.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: You talk about climate and energy, very similar to the
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Trump agenda. But the difference is that Donald Trump took
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: over the conservative establishment, if you like, he took over
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the Republican Party and.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: His people kind of run that.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Now, whereas you're an outsider and you're actually your success,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: you're appalling success and electoral success at the moment has
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: been to the detriment of the conservative parties that coalition.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Does that worry you?
• 36:00
  Speaker 18: Now, It doesn't worry me because they haven't been doing
• 36:01
  Speaker 18: their job. They've drifted away from being conservative values. You know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 18: where have they stood for with mass migration? They've done
• 36:08
  Speaker 18: absolutely nothing. What have they done about climate change and
• 36:10
  Speaker 18: emissions targets that's destroying our economy and putting a strands
• 36:15
  Speaker 18: into poverty? Absolutely nothing. What are they really spoken out
• 36:18
  Speaker 18: strong against gender dysphoria and what's happening in our educational system?
• 36:22
  Speaker 18: Actually nothing. That's why people leaving them in droves because
• 36:26
  Speaker 18: they're not representing the Australian people. Yes, it's going to
• 36:29
  Speaker 18: take me time to build the party to eventually hopefully
• 36:33
  Speaker 18: get in opposition or possibly government into the state's non
• 36:37
  Speaker 18: federal but Christen Less, I have a go at it.
• 36:39
  Speaker 18: You know, they're just going to keep sliding more to
• 36:42
  Speaker 18: the left in line with Labor and their socialism that
• 36:46
  Speaker 18: I believe I have to keep this fight up for
• 36:48
  Speaker 18: on behalf of the Astrain people who are now getting
• 36:50
  Speaker 18: behind me and supporting me on what I'm saying that
• 36:52
  Speaker 18: people have had enough of the major political parties.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Now, does that mean that you're any closer to recruiting
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: by to be Joyce as a center candidate for New
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: South Wales for instance, just to give your party more heft.
• 37:08
  Speaker 18: Look, Barnaby has indicated he's really fed up with the
• 37:12
  Speaker 18: National Party. They're not listening to what he's saying about
• 37:14
  Speaker 18: this client net zero which is destroying the country. He's
• 37:18
  Speaker 18: passionate about that, very passionate about it. And Barnabyeople will
• 37:22
  Speaker 18: make his decision to make his final decision, and it's
• 37:27
  Speaker 18: up to him when he wants to make the decision
• 37:29
  Speaker 18: and come across the one nation.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: You'd have him in that position, you'd like him in
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: that position obviously, of course I do.
• 37:38
  Speaker 18: Of course I do, and I think you know, I
• 37:40
  Speaker 18: want people strong minded who are there to fight for
• 37:43
  Speaker 18: this strange people. And it's only through this team effort
• 37:46
  Speaker 18: that I can make changes in the parliaments, Chris. And
• 37:50
  Speaker 18: that's where I need those strong people, these strong leaders
• 37:53
  Speaker 18: and teamwork that we can and I believe that we
• 37:56
  Speaker 18: can turn the country around. And it's the only one
• 37:59
  Speaker 18: If I and around Chris, where would we be as
• 38:02
  Speaker 18: sination With both the Liberal and the Labor Party, they're
• 38:06
  Speaker 18: on the same page. They are really not much difference
• 38:09
  Speaker 18: between them, and that's why they're losing a lot of
• 38:12
  Speaker 18: their support.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Pauline, good luck with your speech tomorrow now and enjoy
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: the rest of you stay at Marilago.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Have you been across to the beach?
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: You got that tunnel goes under the road to the
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: pool and the beach out of the front there.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: You'll have to dip it a little bit of that.
• 38:25
  Speaker 18: No, I haven't. I haven't been able to do that yet.
• 38:29
  Speaker 18: It's been quite for line, Chris, and tomorrow in the
• 38:31
  Speaker 18: next couple of days will be extremely busy, and I've
• 38:34
  Speaker 18: been told that Donald Trumps expected turn up possibly on Thursday.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: We'll let us know. See pack, let us know if
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you get a word with him. And thanks for joining us. Cheers,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Paul and Hansen. There at Mari Lago, how
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And you saw in some of those pictures there she
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: actually met with Christi Nam who's the former governor of
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: South Dakota and now the Secretary for Homeland Security. So
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: she's met some heavy hitters on the trip and could
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: get a few words with the President in the coming days.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: We'll take a break there.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: On the other side, it being Wednesday, we'll wrangle with
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Denika and Justin. We'll talk about the Liberal Party turmoil
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and Victoria's crime crisis. Okay, let's get into the Wednesday
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: wrangle with Sky News host Anika to Georgia on the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: desk you with Meadanika and In Melbourne were joined by
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: columnists and broadcaster Justin Smith. Good to talk to you, mate.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Let's get a quick take first up on the Liberal
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: turmoil and your thoughts, Justin. Look, we know they've got
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: to come to a new position, or a unified position
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: on climate and energy, but let's talk about changing leaders.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Surely that's just nonsense.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: They've got to sort their sort their act out about
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: what they stand for before they worry about who their
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: leader is.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 19: Absolutely, Look, I couldn't possibly agree with you more mate,
• 39:56
  Speaker 19: which comes as a shock to me here on this
• 39:58
  Speaker 19: Wednesday that I do. But I mean, look, and they
• 40:01
  Speaker 19: are I mean it's you know, I mean whatever side
• 40:04
  Speaker 19: of politics that you said on they are just a
• 40:07
  Speaker 19: complete mess. And whether they keep net zero or not,
• 40:10
  Speaker 19: they're going to need to find something that because we
• 40:13
  Speaker 19: have seen the last few elections parties that don't have
• 40:17
  Speaker 19: a clear idea on climate change and a clear attack
• 40:20
  Speaker 19: on climate change are losing. So they're going to have
• 40:22
  Speaker 19: to come up with something. Now, if they decide to
• 40:24
  Speaker 19: dump net zero, okay, they're still going to need If
• 40:28
  Speaker 19: they leave it in the hands of people like with
• 40:30
  Speaker 19: the greatest of respects Center the Canavan to be running
• 40:33
  Speaker 19: the policy for them, they're going to lose again. So
• 40:36
  Speaker 19: they're going to need to find something to take to
• 40:38
  Speaker 19: the electric next time and say hey, this is the
• 40:39
  Speaker 19: plan and it better be a good one because last
• 40:41
  Speaker 19: time Peter Dutton tried one on and it wasn't a
• 40:44
  Speaker 19: good one and it didn't work.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you've got to have an energy plan.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: But Denik and know, the leadership is important and it's
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: fantastic if you have a really strong leader of any well.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think you need a climate change plan because
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: you can't change the climate anyway. But I think this
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: always talk about getting chopping off off of Susan Lee.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: It's just pointless, isn't it. At the stage it's not
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the main game.
• 41:08
  Speaker 20: Well no, I don't think it's the main game. But
• 41:10
  Speaker 20: the reality is, Chris, the polls for Susan Lee are
• 41:14
  Speaker 20: dire right now. You look at the latest News poll,
• 41:16
  Speaker 20: it's bad. And in my view, given the polling is
• 41:19
  Speaker 20: so bad, isn't now the time to go big and bold?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the point, isn't This is the point?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Isn't that the poles are often bad and there's the cheap,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: easy fix of just trying to grab a leader that
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: will work, avoids the hard work. Find a climate and
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: energy policy it will work. Find a policy on immigration
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: that will work.
• 41:39
  Speaker 20: I agree. Find find immigration is a big one that
• 41:42
  Speaker 20: has run away from because of the our word racism.
• 41:44
  Speaker 20: I agree, find policy. But the question is is Susan
• 41:47
  Speaker 20: Lee the one that's going to be able to take
• 41:49
  Speaker 20: them to the next election, Chris.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: But I do agree.
• 41:51
  Speaker 20: I think they need to come to a decision on
• 41:53
  Speaker 20: net zero quickly, and we need a genuine alternative and
• 41:56
  Speaker 20: have some courage and conviction to actually do it and prosecute.
• 42:00
  Speaker 20: There's time between now and an election. Don't fumble it
• 42:02
  Speaker 20: in the final weeks before an election, like Peter Dutton did,
• 42:05
  Speaker 20: just to go to what Justin said, actually have a
• 42:08
  Speaker 20: policy ready to go.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: You've got to have something to say. I keep seeing
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: them here on this station. They're all talking about reviews
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: and this and that. Have something to say to voters,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: that's the main thing. Let's go back to your state there, Justin,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: and talk about the crime wave.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: These stats out yesterday.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Just blew me away.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: There are one hundred and fifty home invasions in Victoria
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: per week, one hundred and.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Fifty times a week.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: There are people realizing that there are burglars or thieves
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: or muggers in their house.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: That is frightening, right, Oh, look it is.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: And we've really got to start.
• 42:48
  Speaker 19: I think we've really got to start looking at the
• 42:50
  Speaker 19: courts and the way the courts work.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: Now, you know, Look, we can go after the Allen government.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: And that's fine.
• 42:55
  Speaker 19: You know, when they deserve criticism, they should get it.
• 42:58
  Speaker 19: But there are plenty of laws in place to lock
• 43:01
  Speaker 19: people away and to punish people properly. The police here
• 43:04
  Speaker 19: are not perfect, but they're doing a pretty good job.
• 43:07
  Speaker 19: They're catching people, they're bringing him into courts. It's when
• 43:10
  Speaker 19: it gets into court that.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: It all just seems to go to Helen.
• 43:14
  Speaker 19: Until we start making judges more responsible for the decisions
• 43:19
  Speaker 19: that they make. You, until we start doing that and
• 43:21
  Speaker 19: doing it properly, it's you just get the feeling, it's
• 43:25
  Speaker 19: it's not going to change.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, but as governments tardicula, they've got to
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: make that happen.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: At the end of course, it's governments.
• 43:30
  Speaker 20: You know, you've got just into Allen coming out all
• 43:32
  Speaker 20: day saying, oh, we're going to we're doing something about it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 20: You know, a couple of weeks ago, she says that
• 43:36
  Speaker 20: the Melbourne is safe. Well, Melbourne is clearly not safe.
• 43:40
  Speaker 20: When you look at these statistics, it suggests to me
• 43:42
  Speaker 20: that nothing has actually changed. And guess what, a machete
• 43:45
  Speaker 20: bin is actually not going to be the solution to
• 43:49
  Speaker 20: this crisis.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Now, if you're going to profess it. But law would
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: you change? Then? But what law would you put in?
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: What the law would you put in place?
• 43:56
  Speaker 20: Justin the problem is that the premier actually hasn't even
• 43:59
  Speaker 20: come out and an admitted that there is a crime
• 44:01
  Speaker 20: crisis in that state in the first place.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: She's not what would you put into place?
• 44:07
  Speaker 20: Well, I'm not an expert in crime, but let me
• 44:10
  Speaker 20: tell you this, I certainly wouldn't be put you're talking
• 44:13
  Speaker 20: about it. So, but shaddy bins are not the solution
• 44:16
  Speaker 20: to this. I mean, how many people are actually.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: Going on apparently? Not apparently? What would you put in place?
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: And look, I don't.
• 44:22
  Speaker 20: Deny that the bail laws are pretty much redundant if
• 44:24
  Speaker 20: the justice system doesn't agree, but that but leadership is
• 44:28
  Speaker 20: key here, Justin, and it starts from the top. If
• 44:30
  Speaker 20: you're not prepared to actually crack down on this, then
• 44:33
  Speaker 20: you may as well just have these juvenile offenders ransacking.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: What that crackdown you look like? What do I think
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you start talking?
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: You start that crackdown look like you.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Start looking at a bias against bail, You start looking
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: at mandatory sentencing, You start looking at the compulsory detention
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: for some offenses. You have to look at that stuff
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: because at the moment people are committing serious crimes, they're
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: being bailed and they're recommitting Nobody would argue that that's sensible,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: so there has to be a legal former. I think
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Queensland has shown the way they've done well.
• 45:05
  Speaker 20: It's actually gone down their rates of pride. Since I've
• 45:08
  Speaker 20: got at all time at all crime.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Let's jump to some good news. I want to share
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: some good news.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not much of a soccer fan, and you know
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not a monarchisty, but I kind of like this.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Have a look at King Charles.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: The Third nighting Sir David Beckham, of course, the famous
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: soccer player.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: And isn't this kind of cute is it? Anika this said,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: bloke's done well. He has done well.
• 45:28
  Speaker 20: I absolutely think this is fantastic. I am a very
• 45:31
  Speaker 20: big fan of David Beckham, to be quite honest, and
• 45:34
  Speaker 20: you know what, good on him. He had a wonderful
• 45:36
  Speaker 20: career as a footballer. Obviously he's been in the spotlight.
• 45:40
  Speaker 20: I liked Chocolic Serious soccer player. I liked the Netflix
• 45:44
  Speaker 20: series as well with Girl Skirl, so I think this
• 45:50
  Speaker 20: is wonderful.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Well done, King Charles. I just had a couple of
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: aid to you list.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I want Sir Malcolm Blight and Sir Andrew MacLeod get
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: cracking on that. Let's for a bit of a flashback here.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Do you know what we're doing here and this studio
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: exactly one year ago, perhaps almost to the minute.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I just went to cross to our chief election analyst,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Tom Connell again for an update.
• 46:13
  Speaker 21: Tom, Chris, the blue wall is broken, the race to
• 46:17
  Speaker 21: two seventy well, that is now over. Donald Trump wins
• 46:20
  Speaker 21: the state of Alaska and as a result, Donald Trump
• 46:24
  Speaker 21: is once again going to be the president of the
• 46:26
  Speaker 21: United States.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: The extraordinary stuff, Tom, Thanks for that, Tom Connell.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: There we call it here on Sky News. Donald Trump
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: has won the twenty twenty four election.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom Connell, they're called it. Ahead of the American networks.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: There was a bit of history there. It's been an
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: action back year since then.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Justin oh oh on. The fund doesn't end, doesn't it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 19: The fund doesn't end, going after the press, scaring the
• 46:54
  Speaker 19: hell out of the world, rolling in the rolling in
• 46:58
  Speaker 19: the National Guard.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: It's just been a hoot.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what what, I'll tell you what.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the dynamic is really going to
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: change as of today.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I'll showed at the top of the program how Zorn
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: mum Dami has now won the meyoral contest for New
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: York City.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: He went straight for Trump in his victory speech, and
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: have a look at a little bit more of what
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: he had to say.
• 47:18
  Speaker 11: No more will New York be a city where you
• 47:22
  Speaker 11: can traffic in Islamophobia and win an election.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: This new age.
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: Will be defined by a competence and a compassion that
• 47:32
  Speaker 11: have too long been placed at odds with one another.
• 47:36
  Speaker 11: We will prove that there is no problem too large
• 47:39
  Speaker 11: for government to solve and no concern too small for.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: It to care about.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Big government socialism hates Trump, Danika, this bloke has become
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: the de facto opposition leader in the US.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Instantly, Yeah he has.
• 47:54
  Speaker 20: And I know you've got the New York Post.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Well, yes, indeed, I think we can put up on
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: screen the front page of the New York Post.
• 47:59
  Speaker 20: I think sums it up absolutely perfectly. The red apple.
• 48:03
  Speaker 20: I cannot bullet here it is. This is absolutely perfect.
• 48:06
  Speaker 20: I mean, this was a man who wants call a
• 48:08
  Speaker 20: police to be defunded. Justin he called for police to
• 48:12
  Speaker 20: be defunded. He's on this tour of everything's going to
• 48:15
  Speaker 20: be free. I'm going to give you free this nothing
• 48:17
  Speaker 20: is ever free, nothing is ever free. It's dangerous. This
• 48:21
  Speaker 20: whole campaign has been on vibes and feels. He's had actual,
• 48:24
  Speaker 20: no serious policy. I feel sorry for New Yorkers, but
• 48:28
  Speaker 20: this is what they voted in.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: This is the future.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Apparently it's a real worry as to how this is
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: going to play out. Yeah, he's economic policies, he's law
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: and order, transport policies, and this setting against Trump because
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the Democrats have been doing that for a long while.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: It hasn't worked out too well for them. Look at
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi. She hasn't learned.
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: How can I say this, It'll sound like I'm awful
• 48:49
  Speaker 9: about Trump because he's just a vile creature, the worst
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: saying it on the face of the earth.
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: But any way, you think he's the worst thing on
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: the face of the earth.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, yeah, not much time left justin. But
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: you've got to do better than just personal abuse of Trump,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: don't you.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: I think you do.
• 49:07
  Speaker 19: And it's really sad to see what's happened in America
• 49:10
  Speaker 19: that someone like Pelosi has stooped to that, you know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 19: to Trump's level, and just the personal abuse. It's it's
• 49:16
  Speaker 19: sad to see it flying back and forward like that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: They can do better.
• 49:19
  Speaker 20: Acutian chronic Trump derangement syndrome is how I would diagnose Nancy.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Exactly correct diagnosis.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Doctor, Yeah, well done, doctor Danikah, good stuff.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Justin and Thanika will catch up with you next week.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: But it's on now.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: The New York mayor versus the US President. I kind
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: of think I know who's got the money and the
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: power in this one. Thanks for joining me. I'll see
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: you tomorrow night.