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The Fever Report with John Robertson & Michelle Garmon (2.297.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_02]: You are listening to the fever report with John Robertson and Michelle Garmin, every Sunday on the Central Indian Sports Report.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Quick warning if you have sensitive ears or a child with you, here is some adult language and some adult subject matter in this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've been warned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome fever fans to the Central Indian Sports Report.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with John Robertson and Michelle Garment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope this isn't the last fee to report with John Robertson because I got a very concerning text earlier this week that John's done with the WNBA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So John, I hope this isn't it for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm better today and I think we'll talk about all of the things that led up to I was very frustrated yesterday, Stephanie White's little opening talk, we'll get to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think to really discuss all of this, we have to go in order the time on it, but yesterday I was very frustrated today, I'm feeling much better, Caitlyn is a master at media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So well done her, but yeah, it's been a week of no games, but lots of nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of controversy and stuff which I'm fortunately because the W in BA does not have strong good leadership.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are a chaos controversial league and I don't see that necessarily changing until the leadership changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I just say that I did have like made my life happier
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[SPEAKER_01]: giving out the trophy at the Commissioner's Cup King.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Spectacular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the highlight of the week in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you guys know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Watching, happy, like, get food so hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The players didn't know how to react.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm a floor question was great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's what I'm thinking guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to kind of talk through the few events.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's three major events that need to be discussed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in order.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to spend a huge amount of time discussing them, but I think they need to be addressed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why it led to my frustration?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why Caitlin is absolutely amazing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we can get a doll star stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So hope you guys cool with all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about and it's sad that we're still talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the Caitlyn will talk about she kind of said the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The game that happened was over a week ago when Alyssa Thomas had the brutal flaker on Caitlyn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've already discussed that, Adnozium.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really need to discuss the foul itself again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But
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[SPEAKER_01]: We since then we've had a list of Thomas come out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the thing that drives me nuts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the plane, the victim, when you're the one that did the thing roll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't stand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't stand that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I was trying to think of how to describe this earlier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was getting ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had been to the gym.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was worked out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was getting it changed for, you know, just hanging out and doing the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, how do I talk about this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm not going to say that a female player
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[SPEAKER_01]: of bitch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to call a woman a bitch, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: More than mine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just I don't like to call women a bitch like I'm just like I mean I want to get out of the way for but like if I were talking to another dude if Alyssa Thomas was a dude oh acting of the same way that she's acting I would call that very bitch like behavior where you start the fight you instigate the fight you think you get your licks and but then as soon as you realize you're in trouble you run home to your big brother or your mommy and you like say protect me protect me boohoo and like in dude world that's bitch like behavior I don't know what
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[SPEAKER_01]: similar language and lingo would be in the female world and I'm just maybe you know Michelle what would you call that but I just say I'm like I think I think you're I think you are you are right um you know it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's cat, it's bitch behavior, you can call it caty behavior.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, well, can we just something real quick, there's no one Clayter wise, can we agree that the word bitch means something different in guy world, then and then in woman world, but then you need to completely different things and I just can't think of a word that fits that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, hey, hey, John, you're all right because women themselves, we call ourselves bitches, especially that's different, especially in wine, but we'll talk about what you go through the change or once a month, I'm a bit
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're fine using that word.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what, but I think it has to be explained that it like it doesn't mean the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fine if Michelle uses that word, not necessarily if we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly think they mean two different things in the different exactly spheres of society.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think it's fine discussing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like so the one who went with a bully, bully someone and then runs away and then like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: gets their mom or someone to protect them and then plays the victim when they were the one that that drives me insane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's and very predictably that's what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I rolled my eyes and said and like said this is predictable and I didn't let it go and it didn't bother me when it was just Alyssa Thomas's interview.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the follow-up action from the league is what really made me like I'm done with the league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So before we get to that, do you guys have any other comments you want to say about
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew what I want to say, what upset me about Alyssa Thomas, her teammates, coach Tibbets, was the lack of accountability and the lack of apologizing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You owe an apology to Clark, to the fever, to the fans, and you had to take accountability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As an organization, they did not take accountability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what really bothers me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If only there was no need to go interview a list of Thomas, there is, you know, you know the media wasn't going to let it go without asking her about it though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You knew the media wasn't going to have a media day where she was present and that wasn't going to be the first thing they asked because they need the drama clicks and serve the pot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not real quick, I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If A.T. had just said, Hey, I really didn't mean to hit her that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see I know it looks bad, but I didn't mean for that to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope she's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If she had said any version of those things, I could have let it go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have let it go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the whole thing could have been done and over and no one would have really other than the hardcore is that need the drama.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the majority of people would have just let it go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if Timothy come out, if Thomas, even if Timothy come out and said, look, as an organization, we don't approve of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have talked to Lisa Thomas and let her know that this kind of behavior and the team and this kind of behavior going forward will be unacceptable and there will be punishment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I need to hear accountability from her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need someone in this world to show accountability when they make a mistake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When my daughter makes a mistake, I always tell her, if you just own it, I'm not going to even punish you, probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You learned a lesson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's make it right for whoever you did the wrong two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And move on with our lives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, but instead we got the other now for the record, like I think it has to be said, I do not agree with people threatening or saying horrible things to people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would not do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say I think that they're acting as bad and I might use language that I disagree with what they're doing and that's stupid or whatever and
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I agree, John, there's no room in society, whether it's in basketball or athletics, and if there's no room in society to threaten somebody, to attack another person's family, you know, or friends and target them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is, like, but a list of Thomas, and it's not just Caitlin Clark, there is video of you making dirty, type basketball plays against other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's film on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll call you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll call you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll call her a dirty player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would do it to her face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would tell like, stop after I do it, but I would do it to her color, but I think we have to acknowledge there's a difference between criticism and saying someone's a dirty player and things of the air like you're terrible at basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any of those things are all drastically different than I'm going to murder your family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we have to acknowledge there's a difference between those two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The criticism and like sports banter and all that fine, you need to toughen up and but again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: threats, like all other stuff is across the line and not good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, for the record guys, I think there is a non-zero chance that that was all made up because she turned over the screenshots to any constable of the Atlantic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if somebody is threatening to murder me or my family, I'm not calling the Tipped and Tribune or the Cocomotribune or the Elwood Colleter, I'm calling the police.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm calling the FBI or the authority.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like until I see the actual screenshots and they're very wide, I have no question whether that's real or just a diversion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a diversion, but I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do believe you see it out there when you fall, there are people out there that are obsessed and fanatical behavior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They truly aren't faint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not fans of agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whoever they're following, they're not fans of whatever sport they're in, they're just they're obsessed, just just.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's let's really break down this into categories,
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[SPEAKER_01]: there are fans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are those of us that want to watch basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And enjoy the basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is kind of what Greg's alluding to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did text them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys the other day and say, I'm so over all the political nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm over the...
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[SPEAKER_01]: activism and the dumb that I just want to watch basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they can't just give me basketball, I'm done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you guys know I watch a lot of games besides fever games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like a lot of players besides just Kayla Clark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you put your money where your mouth is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We spend money for tickets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We buy a lot of merch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we travel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because we enjoy the sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So category one, we have fans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that they can be admit he did sometimes, and they can say things that maybe are a bit cross-flying, but most of it's just criticism about basketball and like we don't like you, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's that group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you get the actors on both sides of the political spectrum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would say their political extremists that see an opportunity to either push a all white people or racist agenda, let's hate on white people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's that side of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you then you have the extremists are all like look how bad black people are there the worst in society and they both grab They both grab the side or the the part of this that they want to to try and use for their For whatever and if they just throw gasoline on the fire and it has nothing to do with basketball And I want those people to go away now with all of us now stuck in the fire who are in the middle But once that I just fans then we're watching people we care about have to deal with
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[SPEAKER_01]: nonsense, and I don't even know a word other than like the nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's hateful nonsense on both sides.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do forget very tired of if you're white and like Caitlin Clark, you are clearly a KKK clan member, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get very tired of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a tiresome narrative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also get tired of people using Caitlin as the great white hope and saying, see you guys, she's so much better than you and blah, blah, blah, I get I get tired of all of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I get tired of the like, you know, all black women or violent, horrible, and all lesbians are terrible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like all of that, not like all of those things I hate hearing is like, people just want to live and I just want to watch basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the rest of you just shut up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's why when Kathy came out with her statement or the league office came out with their statement that was all like, we didn't ask blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with what they're saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with the overall point, but the way they did it, just just no one acknowledged that Caitlin's been injured multiple times because of stuff like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not unreasonable to suspend Elizabeth Thomas because she's got a track record of injuring Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I only remember who else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm there was a highlight reel and just a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The painting collier in the play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the feast to call, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was just a real of it, a highlight real of injuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't sit there and play the victim when that's you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The league taking the social justice stance and hardcore going in that direction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we've already said multiple things can be true that I didn't like their response, but I also agree that I don't want hateful nonsense, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The league's response was just tiresome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, good Lord, guys, can we focus on
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you, like, well, and then they were asking other people to quiet it down and turn up to put your down while they were stoking the flames.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the same people who were stoking the flames, they can't we just turn the tip of your down, I'm like, you're lying, you don't want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was all, I'm so tired of all of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to take a quick break and we will be right back with more of John's thoughts on the WMEA in the fever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So today, Caitlyn comes out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First time we've seen her since the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she has a, like her statement was so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't back down from it being a flagrant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was like, it was clearly a flagrant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like the refs to do a better job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like it to be more even.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pay them more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What'd that be their only jobs they can focus on it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, even in, this is why I think Caitlyn's one of the best media trained people in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She even says, I'm annoyed with the rest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest have not done a great job all season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm human and it makes me mad, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People have with her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She says, but let's fix it up and make their job pay them so they can focus on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought she did really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought Sophie had a really good comment today too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, look, the internet's the internet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to deal with it if you're in the public space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So deal with it, which I thought was fair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You said I thought Caitlin's response and how she handled it was really well and I thought it was I thought it was great job at the fever to give her that break and I know a lot of people were upset with Stephanie White and what she said but I'm going to do this with Stephanie White a little bit and you'll play a little devil's advocate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to remember, a list of Thomas was one of her players in Connecticut.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as a coach, she's also sees a difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know she was upset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't not agree with Alyssa Thomas's actions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as a coach, she's also seen the off something off the court that maybe we haven't seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But and she's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's just trying to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what she said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I liked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first thing was, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not on social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I am privileged in whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, but I'm not on social media because I don't have to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, now I know for some of these players, it was their brand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's a big thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she would prefer it if they all just stayed off social.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hear your point, but here's where Stephanie's why Stephanie's message fell flat for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agreed with what she was saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agreed with her overall message, but she didn't, she mentioned AT, she mentioned all the stuff she didn't like, she didn't say anything about Caitlyn at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like say something about your player, say, you know, I really don't like what happened to Caitlyn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really, you know, it was like stand up for Caitlyn, it was mentioned it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, you know what, Stephanie's also to the point that if she'd given Caitlin a break and they hadn't talked much and, you know, and maybe they had talked and Caitlin once wanted to speak for herself, you know, maybe, but I'm just saying it fell flat to me, I looked like she was like, I've seen so much passion from her on that one, and we've only seen one passion at moment where she stood up for Caitlin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you know, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, maybe not, but I don't think Stephanie White is not necessarily vocal and public.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't realize the fever has sent a lot of tape and a lot of documentation from the treatment to the WNBA league office.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm just saying that her message fell a little flat for me after the, and maybe it was because I wasn't a bad move from the league message also.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that could have been part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's how I would have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be honest, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she didn't want to have I think she's tired of dealing with it and answer Yeah, but that's the job and when you take it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The lead won't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they release they release a letter They don't do a press conference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No coach the coach is shouldn't have to step stepping right shouldn't on half to address the threatened and Beyond that because I'm going to disagree that words done is a let release the letter and never really totally address the issue
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you take the job to be the coach of the Indian fever, when Caitlin Clark is on the team, you knew what she would do to the job you were taking when you took it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing, Caleb wants to be coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlin has said she wants to be coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she wants to be coach tough because she knows it will make her better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you didn't like her when we picked her, if there's something about you said she's not gonna fit with this team and her personality's gonna cry like you will be, if you don't fall in love with her after that video, then I don't know what I love her even anyway, but that video my heart just melted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is already falling in love with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was happy with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was one of two players I mentioned that I thought confidant with the fever and
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[SPEAKER_01]: and fit right in and everything and she's been everything and more I think I don't like just and this is pure speculation right watching the draft when the draft happened I felt like she didn't look thrilled that she got picked by the fever I could be wrong but it looked like maybe she had some preconceived ideas of what she was going to be going into but even if that's true I think that she has moved way past that and she is now part of the girl squad
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[SPEAKER_02]: And big trip out west for the next week for games in seven days as John mentioned, no Caitlin Clark.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tonight, be interesting to see what happens there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They need some wins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that they have a pretty good shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Road trips are always difficult, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even if Caitlin doesn't play all of them, I think she hopefully plays a couple.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the team shown they can play pretty well
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying this, they're better without her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So people, trolls, trolls in the comments, don't think that I'm saying it, they're the teams better without her.
19:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that they can do well without her.
19:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Vegas twice, and of course Phoenix on Thursday.
19:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I will just say this, hey, John, you know, I know Will's age will some missed the commissioners cup.
19:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was trying to see where why she was out.
19:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just curious.
19:42
[SPEAKER_00]: because I was just thinking because if she's not playing and Katelyn doesn't play, that's too...
19:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Day-to-day with an ankle injury.
19:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
19:50
[SPEAKER_02]: So, we might not get Asia Wilson either.
19:53
[SPEAKER_02]: So, interesting.
19:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
19:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually had thought about going to the All-Star game, so this is in Chicago after last week I just canceled those plans.
20:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm, I'm really not that worried about it.
20:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Like whatever happens is fine.
20:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's cool that we have three starters.
20:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's awesome.
20:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that we need to recognize that I have to give Angel Reese credit for saying something actually smart.
20:16
[SPEAKER_01]: She was talking about how the,
20:18
[SPEAKER_01]: the dream had zero starters on the all-star team.
20:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, we just needed our fans to rally more around our team and we didn't do it.
20:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is what it is.
20:28
[SPEAKER_01]: How's the mature response?
20:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a very honest and real response.
20:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So it is.
20:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just, I will say this, you know, that report that I sent you guys on our text.
20:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I said I couldn't believe some of the player rankings and then when I saw the story where half the players did not even vote and that the sparks players didn't even get the ballot and I'm saying they're going, okay, this shows just how inept the WNBA is because how do you not in this day and age with technology and the resources they have even through the NBA to not get a ballot to every player and to make sure they know when they need to submit
21:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think we've already agreed that the WMBA head office is terrible.
21:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the players union is also terrible.
21:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So realistically, everyone that has an administrative job in the league is awful.
21:27
[SPEAKER_01]: But the place fund to watch at times?
21:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the thing is, there's a path forward for success for this league and they're just blowing it.
21:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll see if they can figure it out, but my hopes are not good.
21:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's really sad because you have, I mean, you have Caitlyn Clark, you have Adrian Wilson out there.
21:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, only a Boston is a thing.
21:46
[SPEAKER_00]: They really have a Kelsey Mitchell and you have, you know, around the store, you have Sabrina and I and S.U.
21:52
[SPEAKER_00]: and you have stars out there and you've got him.
21:55
[SPEAKER_00]: new ones like Olivia Miles and I think Raven Johnson can be that and then coming through up in the next couple of years in a juju walkins and Hannah Hadago and players like that the league can't get its act together.
22:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all going to be for not because at some point fans are going to be tired and they're going to be like you more earlier this week, John, and say you're over it and they're just going to stop purchasing tickets.
22:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if we'll keep our season tickets next year.
22:33
[SPEAKER_01]: It's up in the air.
22:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been fun, but like it's exhausting.
22:37
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm sitting in that much money on something, I want to just enjoy it and have it be like in a scape from stress, not a stress-fer.
22:45
[SPEAKER_02]: John makes a very good point there.
22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope the W&G is listening.
22:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks so much to John and Michelle for joining me as always.
22:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for listening.
22:52
[SPEAKER_02]: We will be back tonight, Sunday night after the fever aces game to wrap that one up.
22:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to wait very long.
23:01
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