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The moral law vs the machine #5 Paul List · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:24
  I've heard a lot about you.
• 0:26
  And by the way, I've been speed reading your book.
• 0:29
  Yeah.
• 0:29
  Uh the last few days.
• 0:31
  And it is probably one of the most comprehensive books when you get into my vantage point, good and evil, actually.
• 0:38
  Yeah.
• 0:39
  And then from good and evil, uh, where AI fits into this thing, which is a question we've been raising a lot on on this network here, uh, as far as you know, where's AI and all of this here?
• 0:50
  So you call this thing uh Mount Doom.
• 0:53
  Let me ask you the tough question first.
• 0:55
  The question we'd probably ask at the end, ask you up front is it Mount Doom?
• 1:00
  Well, the the reference point to Mount Doom is is where the ring was made, the one ring, which by the way is binary code, it's ones and zeros.
• 1:08
  The zero is the ring, one ring, and it's digital, it goes on the finger, and it's digital code, it's the machine code, it's the language of the machine, and it was made in Mount Doom by Sauron, and it has to be destroyed in Mount Doom.
• 1:22
  And the whole mythology is about the destruction of the ring and the reunification of faith and reason.
• 1:26
  Yeah.
• 1:27
  A lot of this as I was reading went all the way back to what 1939.
• 1:31
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:32
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:33
  Tolkien Tolkien was recruited by the British government, the code and cipher, uh uh government code and cipher school to crack the Nazis Enigma machine.
• 1:41
  Right.
• 1:42
  Yeah.
• 1:42
  So let's tell folks the book itself.
• 1:44
  You can see on the screen here, the prophecy of Tolkien revealed, right?
• 1:49
  Is the is the book itself.
• 1:51
  And really, I want to talk more today about the impact on AI and humanity and what's happening because this is a subject that a lot of people uh don't understand the dangers, they're ignorant of it, they don't really get what's going on.
• 2:02
  Sure, and uh, so let's dive into that a little bit here.
• 2:05
  It one of the things I've seen from one of the press releases coming from your PR firm was the reference to Elon Musk.
• 2:11
  This was interesting to me because he is a national figure, everybody knows who he is.
• 2:16
  I mean, he's a he's he's a household name, right?
• 2:18
  Sure is.
• 2:19
  Yeah, yeah.
• 2:20
  Um there's not many people you can really say that about and say that's a household name.
• 2:24
  Like everybody knows him.
• 2:25
  He's one of those cats that is absolutely household, all right.
• 2:28
  So this is interesting.
• 2:29
  You say the machine master leading us all into genocide.
• 2:34
  Elon is using AI as a predictive oracle for power and profit, putting everyone at danger of humanity's genocide.
• 2:44
  Well, that was that if you want me to okay.
• 2:48
  That uh that was kind of a conglomeration of a few statements that I made that I didn't actually write that statement.
• 2:53
  So, but I mean I do widely it does reflect some of my uh my uh personal interpretation and belief about what Elon Musk is up to.
• 3:02
  Um, I've got a uh kind of a mixed bag of opinion about him uh in particular.
• 3:08
  I don't really pay much attention to the you know, the Peter Teals and the even Elon Musk, these new guys that are just here at this time in the technology.
• 3:17
  My real uh my real thought process and my expertise is in the history and the philosophies, particularly the ideas, um, that brought us into where we are now, and I think that there that too often is overlooked, and if you don't know where this all came from, you're really clueless about how to fight back.
• 3:36
  And so if you're talking Elon Musk and you're talking good and evil, what side does he fit on?
• 3:42
  I think he's kind of ambiguous.
• 3:44
  I've I've said before that um he's in a spiritually neutral place, at least the lot from what I can tell.
• 3:51
  Um, I don't believe that he really understands the nature of creation.
• 3:58
  Creation is two parts, it is the material, the perishable, where our animal realm, our animal domain, and then the immaterial, the angelic immaterial realm, which is necessarily connected to this is our immaterial intellect, and that's the realm of the angelic realm.
• 4:14
  And there are demons, and I don't there are angels and demons, the fallen angels, and it's very real, and I don't think he believes in that, and I don't think all too often many people believe in that.
• 4:26
  Well, let me go one step further and ask you this.
• 4:28
  Uh, which is a great point to bring up a little tough, but what about Donald Trump?
• 4:33
  Where does he fit into that?
• 4:33
  Same space.
• 4:34
  I think he's probably morally adrift to to certain degree the same.
• 4:38
  And what I was gonna say was that leaves you in a position of moral ambiguity.
• 4:43
  Um, I'm not so sure about necessarily calling it outright moral relativism, but it does leave you in a position where if you're not even aware or willing to have an open mind to the reality of the demons, you are by nature by default, you've put yourself in a very dangerous position.
• 4:59
  You put yourself at risk, you're saying.
• 5:00
  You really, really do because you've got no way to fight back, yeah.
• 5:03
  And you will be tempted and you will be controlled.
• 5:05
  Yeah, and I think that a little bit of that goes for a lot of people.
• 5:09
  Um, you know, and I think I would include myself.
• 5:12
  I'm not fully aware, I don't pretend to be you know fully aware of the full extent of the un, you know, the immaterial, imperishable angelic realm, but I am very aware that it's real, and I calculate it into my philosophy, my personal outlook, uh, as much as I can because it's probably the most potent factor of all.
• 5:31
  And Tolkien was very, very aware of that.
• 5:33
  It was very aware of reality.
• 5:35
  You probably have to you probably have to remind yourself every so often, right?
• 5:39
  Just we all have to, right?
• 5:41
  Well, I mean, it depends.
• 5:43
  I mean, I don't necessarily, I'm a deeply devout traditional Catholic, just like Tolkien was.
• 5:48
  So it's my faith is really a deep part of my life, so it it's kind of there all the time.
• 5:53
  I'm very aware of it.
• 5:55
  So uh, so I don't have to remind myself too much.
• 5:58
  No, but I'm talking about that good and evil.
• 6:00
  If sometimes you mentioned like you're slipping up, sometimes you probably have to remind yourself of that evil, like you said, it's exact is it exists, it's all around us.
• 6:09
  Oh, absolutely.
• 6:10
  I usually I usually have to remind myself when I'm overly impatient or overly aggressive or oh on, you know, uh just overly not terribly charitable.
• 6:19
  And and I try the best I can, but you know, charity is is the is the prince of all virtues from which love it comes, properly ordered love comes from.
• 6:29
  And I'm I struggle with you know charity as much as anybody.
• 6:34
  So I have to constantly remind myself to try to be charitable.
• 6:37
  Yeah, it's interesting.
• 6:39
  Time that you we bring this up uh in my own life a little bit too, because uh I had a I had I had a situation just yesterday uh that presented itself and without getting into the details, but it involved uh my college-age daughter, and I had referenced something uh in text to her and my wife, uh, which I don't normally do.
• 7:00
  I stay uh out of a lot of things that I don't want to get involved in.
• 7:04
  So I stay removed.
• 7:06
  Yeah, and really, really, and this one here I put my opinion because they you know, it was it was needed at that point, so I sent it to both, and they actually did the opposite of what I mentioned, which sort of was that good and evil a little bit, you know, light sort of way, I guess, you know.
• 7:24
  Yeah, and then this morning when I'm on my walk, my usual walk in the mornings, Paul.
• 7:29
  Uh, my wife and I, and you know, I started I was going down that road of saying, you know, I the one time I mentioned something, you didn't even honor my thoughts on it, and you know, talk about trust and faith and all of that.
• 7:41
  And so I kind of got on my rant a little bit, you know.
• 7:44
  Yeah, and uh and and I recognize I was really uh angry about some things, and that doesn't happen to me.
• 7:50
  It's very rare, you know, that but it was kind of in front of me.
• 7:55
  And so that kind of went on, but I didn't want to ruin, you know, we're walking for several miles.
• 7:58
  I want to ruin the walk, and I don't so I want to cut it right off.
• 8:02
  We did that, moved on to something else.
• 8:03
  And bottom line is a little bit later, Paul.
• 8:06
  I remembered, I recollected that man, you really stepped into it back to the good and evil fight.
• 8:12
  And I recognize that probably I should have just shut up and let it go, but I didn't.
• 8:18
  But well, if you're looking after your loved ones, particularly your wife and your daughter, who's I don't know where she's going to college, but boy, colleges aren't what they used to be.
• 8:26
  And uh they're putting a lot engineering a lot of uh very malleable, uh susceptible.
• 8:32
  Well, there's that, and there was also this particular story of of a of a young guy, and I'll leave it there.
• 8:39
  Yeah, that's your job.
• 8:41
  You're supposed to protect your dog.
• 8:43
  Well, that's our role, right?
• 8:44
  That's our role.
• 8:45
  So it was kind of ironic.
• 8:47
  So in that good and evil fight, Paul, I reminded myself a little bit later, like, okay, you know, I probably should have kept it a little more quiet.
• 8:55
  I really didn't have and so I actually, when I was on the phone a little bit later in the day with my wife and at her work, what have you, and I said, you know, I said I really didn't want to have that conversation this morning.
• 9:03
  I apologize, and really that sort of thing because you sort of feel bad after the fact, right?
• 9:08
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 9:10
  And a lot of times when we act out with that initial anger and whatnot, and that's when we make all of our mistakes.
• 9:16
  Okay, so we so back to this with Elon Musk and Trump a little bit here.
• 9:21
  Okay, so interesting.
• 9:22
  And I want to ask you something that's probably uh not an easy question, but I think a lot of people wonder this in the Christian faith and and others when again when Trump talks faith and he bought the uh the the Christian community in, and you know, through the both elections, really uh many were some were in my ear saying that okay, he was using the the Christian base in that fight of good and evil because you want to win the election and all that, and he really wasn't believing what he was saying about Christianity or God and what have you.
• 9:59
  So it's
• 10:00
  It didn't come off genuine to a lot of people that were in my ear.
• 10:03
  Right.
• 10:04
  What do you think about that, please?
• 10:06
  Well, I think that um I and I'm not here to judge anybody's uh intellectual capacity or their experience with quote unquote the Christian faith.
• 10:15
  I think that far too many Christians are, including Catholics, are maybe especially Catholics these days, are uh very um uh ignorant to the reality and the depth of the Christian faith.
• 10:28
  And I think that's largely due to well, I think it really started at the Reformation, if not back at the uh at the Eastern Schism back in the 10th century.
• 10:36
  But and I think what really got left out of both, and both uh after the Reformation, the Protestants and the Reformers and the Protestants in England and Germany, um, really uh were cut away from the real heart of the theology, which is Thomas Aquinas.
• 10:53
  Um, and without Thomas Aquinas, which I doubt Trump has much, if any experience with, um, you're really really walking on thin ice theologically.
• 11:03
  And uh I was pleasantly surprised when JD Vance actually corrected uh Pope Francis uh on the nature and the reality and the order of love and where he put charity at the top.
• 11:16
  And I was very pleasantly surprised, and he actually quoted uh Thomas Aquinas, and that was impressive.
• 11:21
  I was impressed, and to a certain degree, um uh thrilled that we actually have somebody that was familiar with Thomas Apartment.
• 11:30
  Well, that's a great example with Vance because he sort of wears it on his sleeve, doesn't he?
• 11:36
  I you know, maybe I don't pay that much attention to, you know, you got to understand I'm a reader, I don't and I read, you know, my thing is you know, old books and you know, uh stuff like that.
• 11:46
  I don't even I don't even own a TV and uh I rarely, you know, I watch some podcasts once in a while, you know.
• 11:53
  But uh you see you stay out, you stay out of the you stay out of the news cycle a lot, then you're not in the the digital weeds, right?
• 12:00
  No, no, no, and I see that from your story looking more and more at it that and you talk about the dangers of that quite a bit, and that's where this comes in a little bit more.
• 12:10
  Before we before we leave there, because I there's a lot to talk about with this.
• 12:13
  The book is incredible, uh, really.
• 12:15
  Uh, but before we get to that, and how long did it take you to do this project?
• 12:19
  It had to be a long time.
• 12:20
  Well, I mean, if you include the uh all the reading that went into it was a solid probably 25 years of very diligent, very diligent reading.
• 12:29
  I gave I decided, well, I didn't decide, it was kind of forced upon me.
• 12:32
  I had an outer body transcendental experience back in about 1995, where I was literally lifted out of my bed and brought over the highest mountain in the state of Vermont and hovered there in my spirit, and I looked down over my shoulder and way down there.
• 12:46
  I knew my body was still in bed, and the sky and the clouds are beautiful, and the whole all the clouds spun around and came down like a big garden hose and went right over my face, like a big vacuum hose over my face.
• 12:56
  And I saw what I can only say is the first real thing I've ever seen.
• 13:00
  And and then I read uh Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich, her hers, her visions and works, and she saw what she saw, the globe of light is what I saw, and she called it the one true voice.
• 13:11
  And I was back in my bed, and then and then shortly thereafter, God gave me a serious fear and a reality that nobody's really paying attention to the essence of what's going on.
• 13:20
  They're all distracted by their job, their career, their love life, their pleasures, their whatever, and they're distracted by attributes, but they've really lost track of the essence of what's going on.
• 13:32
  It really scared me, and it caused me to start reading.
• 13:34
  I was given a director to start reading, and I gave myself a scholastic education, and scholasticism is its apex, its peak is Thomas Aquinas.
• 13:43
  So I started with Plato and Aristotle and went right through the church father, Saint Augustine, and then I read many, many of the heavy hitter, uh, the heavy hitter uh in the enlightenment, which it was kind of it was really pitiful.
• 13:57
  What a juxtaposition of the intellect between the scholastics and the enlightenment philosophers and the the lightning philosophers were like reading little kids.
• 14:06
  It was like there's no soundness of logic, they just like they just tossed the basic rules of logic out, and it was all you know, empirical, mostly of their own experience, including all that they taught and thought about the nature of man and psychology was just coming from their own fallen brain.
• 14:21
  Yeah, Paul, do you when you get into these conversations with regular people?
• 14:27
  People you get into some pretty deep topics.
• 14:29
  You said you course of 25 years to write this book and to make it happen.
• 14:33
  Yeah, how do you how do you get people a lot of people gloss over this information?
• 14:39
  They don't it's hard for them to grab onto and it's heavy when you read it, it's heavy, it's heavy.
• 14:44
  Yeah, how do you how do you thread that needle and still be relevant?
• 14:48
  And and I say that because when I seen some of the notices coming from the PR firm to get this out there for you, I noticed some of them were initially on that level, but then I noticed others were like talking about Elon Musk, making it relevant to today's news, right?
• 15:03
  Or like the AI race.
• 15:05
  Uh, there's another interesting thing about what about the and I want to talk about that a little bit at some point, but about the AI arms race because this gets fascinating as hell.
• 15:13
  And so uh real quick, how do you uh that's gotta be tough to keep that, you know what I'm saying?
• 15:18
  That relevancy of where you want to go and without glossing over and keep the information real.
• 15:24
  Uh it's difficult because you know, these days, uh, I mean, there's it's hard to find uh people who want to go deep.
• 15:31
  I think it was Belloc who said in one of his uh great works.
• 15:35
  Um, yeah, he said uh the uh something to the effect of industry uh intellectual industry is repulsive to mankind.
• 15:45
  People don't like to think they really don't.
• 15:47
  That's why TV and and things like that and are so movies and streaming is incredibly popular because people just want to sit down and just be entertained and let the let the screen take them away.
• 15:59
  That's exactly it.
• 16:00
  Yeah, rather than actually doing the roll up your sleeves, pick up the book and read and really become a competent human being.
• 16:07
  I mean, I I imagine that, you know, well, I don't imagine I really strive to be competent in my in my field of my profession as far as what I do for a living, and I really strive to be competent as a person, particularly in a conversation where you can go almost anywhere and apply the rules of of logic and the and the you know discursive dialectic uh approach to things, and you can talk about almost anything if you're a competent person.
• 16:36
  Yeah, and you've got that background to be able to do that very clearly, and you're informed on all of this.
• 16:40
  Uh you're probably I obviously one of the smartest uh people.
• 16:44
  Uh I say people is could be guys, could be a woman, but but smartest people in this space.
• 16:50
  Uh, if you look at where you went and the thought you put into the graphs, the charts, the way you broke things down in the book and the way you carried it forward.
• 16:58
  And this is about I believe it's about if I remember right, about uh is it 550 pages or 600 or something?
• 17:03
  Well, it's 500, it's it's 576 pages total.
• 17:07
  Yeah, it was it was over 1200 pages, but the both my first publisher looked at it and they said, We can't this is too academic scholarly for our readership.
• 17:17
  So I took my money back that they sent me, I gave it back to them, and I found another publisher, but he said, I'll publish it, but you got to cut it down below 600 pages.
• 17:24
  Well, that's what I'm kind of saying to you.
• 17:26
  What the publisher said to you is exactly what I posed.
• 17:28
  Maybe he said a little better even than what I was saying.
• 17:33
  Well, but at the level you're also offering at some point, you have to dumb the conversation down a little bit.
• 17:38
  You know, my co-author, God bless him, Ali uh Gafari.
• 17:42
  Um, I mentored him when he was a uh in a call in college.
• 17:45
  Uh he was an atheist, he's gonna be a brain surgeon, and I mentored him, and he he actually converted become Catholic.
• 17:50
  He became a changed his life totally, became an F-18 pilot for the Navy, and then he taught at the Naval Academy.
• 17:56
  Uh, and then he started his own private school in Maryland called Divine Mercy Academy, and Ali's a magnificent doer.
• 18:03
  He can do anything, and I really really needed a lee to get this done because I had it all figured out in my head, and I had written all these essays.
• 18:10
  I wrote most of the book by hand.
• 18:12
  I resurrected my cursive writing and I and I wrote it by hand, and then I would take pictures of it and text it to him.
• 18:18
  That was my code, you know.
• 18:20
  Uh and then he would have to look through my chicken scratch and make up for all my bad grammar and whatnot.
• 18:26
  But elite, I had a tendency to write uh in more of a the uh the style of Chesterton and Belloc and some of these uh 19th and 19th century writers, and which I really appreciate.
• 18:40
  I really, you know, I cut my teeth on Aristotle, you know.
• 18:42
  I wrote read the best basically.
• 18:44
  You are a scholar, buddy.
• 18:45
  You I don't you do not know.
• 18:46
  Well, I'm self-educated.
• 18:47
  I I hated school, I absolutely hated school.
• 18:50
  I I tried to be, I tried to graduate last in my class, but they passed all they did was smoke on the back of the school, and they passed him, and I was pretty disappointed.
• 18:59
  My older sister was Val Victorian, and then she went on to become Val Victorian at her college, and my older brothers, you know, he's a certified genius, and I was just like third child, and I just I hated school.
• 19:10
  I I knew right away the teachers were not prepared to teach me the essences of things, how things actually worked to understand it was all about information download and comprehension had nothing to do with it, and I just checked out.
• 19:23
  Yeah, I was the same way.
• 19:24
  I totally appreciate where you're coming from.
• 19:25
  The second I you know what for me, I got very bored with the process, really really bored.
• 19:30
  It's not indoctrination.
• 19:32
  I just wasn't bored with it, and I was more entrepreneurial, moral capitalist, more as somebody who wanted more than what they could provide to me.
• 19:40
  And I was very, very impatient with that whole process, and I have zero patience for ignorance and stupidity, so it wasn't a good fit for me.
• 19:48
  Let me ask you when you talk about reading and trying to bring that back, Paul, and what that means.
• 19:53
  I'm just thinking here a minute here.
• 19:55
  Uh so you're saying it it's important that people read, and you're saying, and uh you know, understand
• 20:00
  The path you've been on, but you're saying it's important people dive into these things to really uh uh understand the stakes, right?
• 20:06
  I mean, what we're talking about today.
• 20:07
  Yes, it depends it.
• 20:09
  Go ahead.
• 20:10
  Well, but here's the thing.
• 20:11
  What uh what I want to address kind of thing is uh, you know, I I take a look at my son again, both kids are college age, and uh he um uh is uh uh you know their YouTube generation, these they have YouTube uh printed on their brains, yeah.
• 20:28
  They've had it there for all these years.
• 20:30
  Now, there was a lot of information coming out of it.
• 20:33
  There's things he knows today that he probably wouldn't know.
• 20:37
  There was some good information there.
• 20:39
  I'm not saying there's not, yeah, but it was, and you have to discern what is or what isn't, and I'm not sure young people can do that at 13, 14, 15, 16, 70.
• 20:49
  Yeah, I'm not sure that happens.
• 20:50
  They can't, they but at 20, yeah, at 22 now.
• 20:54
  I recognize that that whole generation didn't read, they didn't read.
• 20:59
  In fact, now, which we're gonna drive into the AI machine here, and this is important to this talk here today.
• 21:05
  Is that you know, now, Paul, back to your wish, it's not gonna happen.
• 21:10
  Is it safe to say that's not gonna happen because I don't think we're going back?
• 21:14
  This machine is coming in now, and you warn pretty big in this project.
• 21:19
  This it's more than a book, this is a life mission for you.
• 21:22
  This is uh it is, yeah.
• 21:23
  This is not just a book, this is that's the little part of it.
• 21:26
  That's yeah, this is a life mission for you.
• 21:29
  So you that's gotta be frustrating as hell for you.
• 21:33
  You know, I the that's where my faith comes in.
• 21:35
  I mean, when I get when I get, you know, it's like like when Tolkien wrote the book.
• 21:39
  I I I know for I know he he wrote it.
• 21:41
  He he said he felt like it was just given to him.
• 21:43
  A lot of times he just sat down and it just poured out, like, and I can say the same thing when you start to writing and you've got the inspiration from above, it just pours out, and uh and you know, he was uh uh um I the the off on a tangent there for a second, you're gonna have to bring me back.
• 22:07
  Is it frustrating to me?
• 22:08
  Um, I have to leave I have to leave whatever happens in God's hands and in God's time.
• 22:14
  I wrote this in I was published it in 2022, and I thought I'm gonna expose the whole finally the world's gonna know what the Tolkien mythology is really all about to solve all the problems, show you who Tom Bombadil and Goldberry are, show you everything exactly what it is, and then I'm gonna go through and explain what actually happens in the end.
• 22:31
  That's not in the book, but according to what he said, would you know the conditions?
• 22:35
  And I thought people just jump all over it, and it's like, no, you just can't get people to read, people just don't want to read.
• 22:41
  No, no, I mean they'll go see the movie, yeah, but they're they're not gonna read it.
• 22:44
  Yeah, yeah.
• 22:45
  I love reading.
• 22:47
  Well, it takes time to read though, too.
• 22:49
  And then at some point you learn to speed read a bit and move through and that's what I have to do because I can't consume all of that.
• 22:54
  I want to consume it all.
• 22:56
  Yeah, I and my daughter is sort of like me, she loves to read.
• 22:58
  Like we have libraries and books and books.
• 23:01
  I mean, we just booked, don't get me in the bookstore, forget about it.
• 23:04
  Oh bookstore, all books for me, are like, oh my gosh.
• 23:08
  I know, and I have to get a U-Haul to follow me to get the books and the U-Haul, and yeah, really, though.
• 23:13
  I I was dangerous in a bookstore, uh, just because I have a thirst for knowledge and information.
• 23:19
  Now, yeah, and that's one of the reasons I was excited today with you because I know that we would learn a lot from you in a sense of this.
• 23:26
  So, what I did is I was reading through, I went through different chapters and I gathered a few different points because this gets into the bigger mission of this uh this AI, what's coming in here, and really the fight of good and evil because you know, I sense uh that right now, and I guess maybe let me ask you, pose it as a question.
• 23:49
  Um, I don't know, at 30,000 feet right now.
• 23:53
  Is evil winning the race right now?
• 23:56
  This moment is evil winning the race.
• 23:58
  No, I mean the race is already won.
• 24:00
  Christ resurrected and and okay, so we're not worried about it then.
• 24:03
  We're not everybody says that to me.
• 24:05
  Hold on, everybody says what you just said to me.
• 24:07
  I hear that all the time.
• 24:08
  Yeah, good wins in the we know good wins.
• 24:10
  Well, no, I hate that.
• 24:11
  They always good wins in the end, so don't worry about it, Matt.
• 24:14
  No, no, no.
• 24:15
  I never said I never said don't worry about it.
• 24:17
  I never said that.
• 24:18
  But they tell me that because that really that really irritates me too.
• 24:22
  Yeah, you know, um, it it there's uh evil had the the Satan is real, okay, and the demons are real, and then the battle started with the fall of the angels, okay, and then the creation of the world, and then their first victim in the battle for between good and evil, it was Adam and Eve in paradise, and it that was real, and I point that out of my book.
• 24:44
  And I also have a very interesting um take on the conditions of Adam and Eve and what actually and I do away with evolution, it doesn't matter and let me that you did do that.
• 24:53
  Let me ask you one quick thing, not to interrupt your thought.
• 24:55
  You talked in there too about trying to find the garden.
• 24:58
  Uh, and I I like that summation.
• 25:01
  That uh what is it?
• 25:02
  I mean talk about that is I just I know I just put together um, you know, there has been some in the areas there has been found satellite vision is satellite pictures and imagery are really fascinating, and they did find the area in that's very likely uh high probability that anywhere uh not that it was necessarily the garden, and I should have I should have made that more, you know.
• 25:27
  Maybe I'll do it in the revision.
• 25:28
  But the garden was above paradise was above the earth, okay.
• 25:32
  It wasn't they fell into the animal realm.
• 25:34
  People need to realize that that man is made in the image of God, and we are the union in our mind and our body, the union connects the immaterial with the material realm, the angelic with the animal.
• 25:47
  And when Adam and Eve fell, they fell into they didn't uh fall like that.
• 25:51
  They left and went down.
• 25:54
  Blessed Anne Catherine's visions are wonderful, and they went into the land under below the garden, and that's the area that I would say.
• 26:02
  And so, in a in a in a and you can see the rivers, the dry river beds and whatnot that point very likely that now the with the land that they were in when they fell is likely under the Persian Gulf.
• 26:15
  Um, so it's it's underwater.
• 26:17
  So, which would make perfect sense.
• 26:18
  I mean, and and the topography and whatnot has changed radically.
• 26:24
  Uh, again, uh, particularly according to Blessed and Catherine Emirate after the flood, the earth, she said the earth was much smoother, much more regular.
• 26:32
  It wasn't anything like it is now.
• 26:34
  And after the flood, the mountains and uh everything was changed, the land was totally yeah.
• 26:38
  That that area out there is an interesting uh geography, anyways, and historically uh that we're speaking about.
• 26:45
  I mean, that's where it all happened, yeah.
• 26:47
  Uh so it makes sense that it's in that realm, isn't it?
• 26:50
  You know, really.
• 26:51
  Um, so when so this this idea of uh that um uh where people talk about good always, let me not lose sight of that because I kind of got a little loud at that point, but about that good is gonna win in the end.
• 27:04
  And I people do say that to me.
• 27:05
  They say, Well, but we know who and they chuckle when they say uh in a sort of way, like, and I always wonder to myself because well, like we're supposed to be in this massive fight right now of good and evil.
• 27:16
  So, how do you you know why does it you use they say the book just the book indicates this, and that's the way it's gonna be like almost like Paul, like it's a crystal ball.
• 27:26
  This is my feelings now, like it's a crystal ball, and that like that's what's gonna happen, and you can't change that.
• 27:34
  You know, a lot of people use that as a kind of an escape route for them, so they don't have to be involved in the battle.
• 27:41
  People don't want to fight, they don't want to admit that that we're in terribly dangerous times.
• 27:46
  Well, at that point, you can put the car in neutral, you understand?
• 27:48
  Yeah, yeah, and you don't have to do anything, and just drive through life in neutral.
• 27:52
  But the left, the right, some of us, and I'm I'm imagining that you're one.
• 27:57
  Uh you want to get up and do something productive and practical and meaningful in the fight for on the side of good.
• 28:03
  I know I do, and that's the I do it every day, Paul.
• 28:06
  Every day of my life.
• 28:09
  You know, I want I I wanted I knew that if I didn't get this written, God had given me everything I needed to get it done, including my co-author, who's an amazing doer to the material.
• 28:18
  If it wasn't for him, all this would just still be up in my mind, and I would just moved on to something else and figured that out.
• 28:23
  Yeah, that would have gone by through, you know.
• 28:25
  I wouldn't have done anything with that either.
• 28:27
  So um, so I mean, people just they really just don't want to be troubled with the idea that we're supposed to be evangelizing, we're supposed to be fighting on the on the side of of of good.
• 28:42
  We're supposed to be pushing back with charity as much as much as we can, pushing back and and realizing that the people 99% of the people that are on the other side of what we might call bad, they're only there by ignorance, they just don't know any better, you know.
• 28:57
  And they've been educated, indoctrinated now to really buy in and buy into this program that they've worked so hard through their school years, particularly they worked so hard.
• 29:08
  Now they've got the you know, the the diploma from their fancy school, and by the way, that is the white hand of Saruman in the mythology.
• 29:16
  The white hand is the diploma, sorry Saruman is John Dewey, he's in the image of John Dewey.
• 29:22
  Yeah, yet everybody's fighting for that, yeah.
• 29:24
  Yeah, um, so uh you know, they've been indoctrinated into Marxism, they've been indoctrinated into atheism, they've been indoctrinated into by way of of the by the enlightenment thinkers.
• 29:37
  I mean, when the reformation happened 500 years ago, half of Christian, half of what the Western Christiandom walked right out from underneath the protection of the shadow of the throne of God, and they walk right out into the domain of the state, they walk right on the domain of the devil.
• 29:53
  And we have to, for instance, it's city of people don't unfortunately not too many people are familiar with Augustine's city.
• 30:00
  Of God anymore.
• 30:01
  It's a great read.
• 30:02
  And we really have to bring that up to realize that there's two cities there's the earthly city and there's the city of God.
• 30:08
  And they've been at war and contest for souls now since the very beginning.
• 30:12
  And right now, the masters of the machines are clearly in the city of the earthly city.
• 30:20
  And uh the masters, the world that the the that really came from the reformation.
• 30:26
  And because the reformation just changed our whole outlook, as I point out in my book, Francis Bacon changed the nature of science.
• 30:34
  He developed the whole new scientific method, which was just about attributes, not about essences anymore.
• 30:38
  He did away with metaphysics.
• 30:40
  He did away with with uh the scholastics.
• 30:43
  He said, Well, they'd never get us anything, you know, valuable, they never get us eternal life and and and great health, and they never given us pleasure, and they never made us rich, and we want all these things.
• 30:53
  So he did away with them, and he had a huge, and then Descartes read it with enthusiasm, wrote his meditations, which was just a response in my opinion to Bacon's uh novels, uh Nouvos organum, uh, the new scientific method.
• 31:06
  Um, and then sparked the industrial revolution, the age of the machine, and the machines are always about power and domination and ringing out of nature what we want.
• 31:17
  Okay, you say that well, hold on.
• 31:18
  You say that about domination and all of that, but also isn't there an information factor?
• 31:23
  Isn't there a part of this that uh they're tools, they're tools, right?
• 31:29
  They they they definitely are, and I'm not saying that what you and I are doing, and I'm not saying every use of even this technology is evil, it's not any more than printing press.
• 31:37
  Yeah, this is much more immediate.
• 31:39
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:40
  No, I mean, when when we were when I was younger, at least I'll speak for myself.
• 31:44
  I mean, we didn't have cell phones, the computers were not out yet, none of that existed yet.
• 31:49
  Uh, and look at what we've done in what um just 75 years.
• 31:54
  Uh we've gone from the black and white television that uh and the car came out in the early part of the century, right?
• 32:02
  Uh transportation, and and that didn't even exist before then, and then we fast forward.
• 32:06
  So you just look at uh what 100 years.
• 32:10
  Oh my golly, have we changed the whole deal here?
• 32:13
  You know, we really have and I'll just hearken back too to uh what I don't think that enough maybe enough people really have put into their thought process, including their theology, yeah, are the antediluvians, the ones who were wiped out by the flood, and that was 1600 years after Adam and Eve, and they were demonically possessed, they were the women that they weren't begotten by fallen angels.
• 32:34
  That that's a direct conflict with St.
• 32:36
  Thomas Aquinas.
• 32:37
  Angels can perform no living function, okay.
• 32:40
  So, but but blessed Aunt Catherine Emmert makes it very clear that the women had allowed themselves to become completely possessed, and their children who were naturally born children, um, were became became the giants, and they could do they could do anything.
• 32:53
  They were they but they were demonically possessed and they were evil.
• 32:56
  But they imagine they had 1600 years of demonic influence and demonic in technology.
• 33:02
  Can you imagine what they had developed at the end of 1600 years before they were wiped out?
• 33:08
  And so we're now started up again, and we've got the same demonic influence, right?
• 33:12
  Right, uh influencing the same machine masters, the same, you know, earthly so hold that thought right there.
• 33:19
  So, do we get wiped out?
• 33:21
  I don't know that we get wiped out, we won't get wiped out by by water.
• 33:24
  Um, but we may get wiped out by by by fire, and you know, that's been a constant theme.
• 33:30
  Um that's what the that's what the book says, doesn't it?
• 33:33
  Yeah, yeah.
• 33:34
  I mean, I I think that the best thing we can do is stay in a state of grace, uh, cultivate virtue.
• 33:39
  Um, tolkien's message is very clear.
• 33:42
  We have to become saints.
• 33:43
  Christian has to reunite, yeah, and we have to become competent human beings, and competency, I believe, is at an all-time low.
• 33:52
  You know, uh yes.
• 33:55
  Well, let me ask you with everything you're saying there, and then and I don't want to go too far down the religion road or the church in a moment here, you know, specifically, yeah, but uh just because there's a lot more to talk about here and some other things, but do you do you sense that um uh you know, I look at a lot of this, uh, these very and I again this is this could be a whole nother conversation.
• 34:17
  You and I have another time, but I look at all of this religion as uh a lot of it is very man-made, and a lot of these things are and I always question, and I I catch a lot of hell for that sometimes, but even people say, Well, God's word, but do we know that God influenced every word in that book?
• 34:37
  I mean, didn't man have some input in all of that, sir?
• 34:40
  Well, well, of course, but I mean, uh so I mean that's a but nobody asked that question.
• 34:46
  Well, I'm gonna be very um direct.
• 34:49
  I mean, I just yeah, please do tell the truth.
• 34:51
  I mean, there's only one true religion, and religion is the just according to Aquinas, just the just sacrifice, the just honor that we give to our creator, and the only way we can do that is to give and offer up and give him back his perfect offering, which was his only son, and he was a man and he was God, and he is man and he is God, and yeah, yeah, so um so uh religions, of course, have been manufactured and man-made.
• 35:20
  In fact, it's like the last count, there's over 65,000 Protestant denominations, which really the only thing that they really have in common is their common hatred of the Catholic Church.
• 35:28
  That's the only thing that binds them together.
• 35:30
  Okay, and uh, but they came out of the Catholic Church, you know, the Catholic Church has been around for two thousand years, not this modernist Synodal bull crap coming out of the Vatican right now because the modernists have taken over.
• 35:42
  Um, but the traditional, like Tolkien was a true traditional, uh, you know, the mass of the ages of the TLM, yeah, which is in the mythology, by the way, which is the white tree of John Blood.
• 35:52
  There's a whole lot to that conversation.
• 35:54
  Uh, we we can and should have at some point here, uh, because uh yeah, it's it it definitely gets a little fiery here.
• 36:02
  But uh, let's dive in a little bit here to to uh because there's some really interesting things here.
• 36:08
  Uh and not just what took some pieces of different things I'd like to so let's try to thread a needle and draw a story so we can talk.
• 36:17
  And I uh want to accomplish today is uh hope to is get to the point of uh the real dangers of of this good and I fight the fight of good and evil.
• 36:25
  That by the way, the network on America Out Loud and all the work we've done on the network beyond Project Out Loud is all about fighting good and evil.
• 36:34
  That was the origins that was the in fact uh truth be told, Paul, and I don't know about yourself, but uh in full confession right now to you.
• 36:42
  Uh when I was 14, 15 years old, I knew God was going to use me for some very interesting things.
• 36:47
  I didn't know why or how or where or what or how high or how long I did not know, but I knew that I was going to be utilized for something down the road.
• 36:57
  I didn't know when, had no idea, and I didn't try to fix anything or do anything or whatever, but I knew when I was a young boy, and I kind of didn't fit into my life as a young boy.
• 37:07
  I didn't fit into my family life.
• 37:08
  I was one of seven in a large family.
• 37:10
  I just didn't fit in anyway.
• 37:12
  Yeah, neither did I.
• 37:13
  You didn't either, all right.
• 37:15
  We have we may have some things in common here.
• 37:17
  Oh, definitely.
• 37:18
  I can tell.
• 37:18
  Um, no, I uh I knew from a very young age that I was gonna God was calling me to do something I had no idea what it was, but my guardian angel has always been very active in my life, and I've had physical contact with my guardian angel, so it's a very real thing, and and I keep an open mind, and you know, I so I wasn't really all that surprised when I had that transcendental out-of-body uh experience that morning back in 1995 or so.
• 37:44
  Um, I wasn't really surprised by it all.
• 37:46
  I you know, things have happened to me before.
• 37:48
  I don't go around talking about it.
• 37:50
  I mean, people ask, so you know, I guess I'm gonna explain, but that was 30 30 years ago, by the way.
• 37:56
  Yeah, that's when I really really really started to read, you know.
• 37:59
  And uh, and you know, I I you know, I uh you know, I studied music.
• 38:04
  I can read a Beethoven score like uh like a like a um, I don't need the music.
• 38:09
  That's he doesn't because I understand the harmonic overtone system, I understand the how he used the key signatures and whatnot in relationship to each other and the nature of modulation and whatnot as a language, and and and to to make it very clear, Tolkien uses the harmonic overtone series uh in the rings, the rings of power, yeah.
• 38:26
  The rings, the the rings of power are the the major, except for the fifth, because that would have been too obvious, they are the major uh notes of the dominant ninth chord, and the one ring is the imitation of what would be called the generator tone, the tone that would cause through vibration and the harmonics would have caused the frequencies of the other rings.
• 38:47
  So, what's going on and Tolkien predicts the crossover between the analog and the digital realm in the material brain because these analog rings are actually part of the brain, they become part of the brain, but they're at the precise frequency that is dominated by the generator tone, and that's the one that's the one ring.
• 39:05
  Okay, okay.
• 39:06
  So, against against the harmonic overtone series, which I call the language of motion and the language of creation, is these battles between these two languages.
• 39:15
  God's created language and harmony in heart in harmonics against the machine code, the language of the machine, the brutality of ones and zeros, right?
• 39:24
  Um the whole story from 1939 forward with uh Without and uh uh this um prophecy here.
• 39:33
  Uh what did he know?
• 39:36
  Why did he know all this?
• 39:37
  What uh because I listen, listen, I seen the movies uh with my kids and all of that.
• 39:42
  And uh, you know, I don't I'm not big into entertainment in the way of movies and television, all this stuff.
• 39:49
  I I'm kind of probably like you a little bit.
• 39:51
  I if I never turned another TV on, I would not miss it at all.
• 39:54
  Uh Paul, and I would be one of the real ones to say that.
• 39:58
  I I find it a new.
• 40:00
  I find it's a waste mostly uh in full confession.
• 40:02
  I find it's a waste of brain cells mostly.
• 40:05
  Really is I think it is, yeah.
• 40:07
  And and especially, especially when and I have this debate with my wife all the time because uh again, full confession.
• 40:13
  I mean, she loves these crime movies and all this crime stuff and what have you.
• 40:16
  And I just and we've always had this difference odd uh perspective of that.
• 40:21
  I you know, to sit there to I hate them as well, but to sit and watch an hour or two of somebody being murdered, raped or mayhem, I just find no entertainment value in it whatsoever.
• 40:30
  None I don't like to be entertained, I like to be inspired.
• 40:33
  I like to be, you know, I well inspired or entertained or whatever the hey you want to call it.
• 40:37
  Yeah, well, I mean, I there are um you know, I've seen some good worthy productions, uh oh yeah, oh yeah, that were that were really worth the time and effort.
• 40:47
  Yeah, if I'm gonna watch some movie, if I'm gonna do something, it's gonna be let me go.
• 40:51
  You know, here's the thing.
• 40:52
  I'd I'd rather go watch a movie like I can watch for a couple two hours, three hours, whatever it is, and be done with it than these uh 25 episode series that go on forever on Netflix, you know what I mean?
• 41:03
  Yeah, these series, yeah.
• 41:05
  Um it's funny.
• 41:06
  I have kind of the same uh relationship with my wife.
• 41:08
  She loves biographies and old the old John Wayne movies, you know.
• 41:12
  Um, and I'll watch them with her once in a while.
• 41:15
  But I mean, I can't sit still that long.
• 41:17
  I get forced to watch them as well, by the way, once in a while.
• 41:21
  And uh my wife will laugh when she hears this, but uh I'd rather go pick up a book or or hello my violin and and work on a piece of music, you know, that that I can actually work on, you know, and make progress on, you know, and and uh but I don't, and it is a waste of serious distraction, distraction is isn't is an evil unto itself.
• 41:42
  It may seem benign, but it picks away at our competency and distracts us from actually, totally, totally.
• 41:48
  And this is to me a big part of what's going on with life right now and humanity as a whole.
• 41:54
  Uh, when you look at again for me, the violence, and even when my son was oh my golly, 12, 13.
• 42:01
  I remember I did not like those video games or the rest of that garbage, uh, and where they're shooting everybody, killing everybody, this and that.
• 42:07
  And I remember walking in as and I told my wife, I said, I really don't like that stuff, please.
• 42:12
  Uh and it's it's violence, it's violence in the brain, it doesn't know anything.
• 42:15
  And I remember walking in uh when he was younger and he had it on there, and I said, Oh my god, I said, What are you doing?
• 42:20
  And of course, they hide all this stuff on you.
• 42:23
  You can't really, you know, they're gonna get it one way or another.
• 42:26
  I know, and I really couldn't control it anymore because he was going to watch it on, and it's all over the place, it's everywhere, it's absolutely everywhere.
• 42:33
  And so I lost control of that fight.
• 42:35
  You understand, which brings me to the point of in order to save this world, if we're gonna want people to read or get educated, but look at a guy like you who didn't rely on the digital world, Paul, to get super smart.
• 42:46
  Uh, you didn't do that at all.
• 42:47
  You relied on other metrics of reading and really digging deep and and understanding things, uh, in a very different way than most people today.
• 42:56
  But now, listen, I got I got a news bulletin for you, I think.
• 43:00
  Probably not, but this genie is not going back in the bottle, you know that.
• 43:04
  No, I I uh it's not.
• 43:05
  It's it absolutely not without the hand of God, and you know, the well will God's hand do something about this.
• 43:12
  What's that?
• 43:13
  Will God's hand do something about I think I think uh I think after that we've seen the chastisement, uh and it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna be the end of I think it's gonna be the end of a lot of souls, I really do.
• 43:26
  And we've made a at the end of the age of the machine, and at the end of the at the rejection, yeah, um uh of God, and more and more uh uh and moral relativism, which really comes, I believe, really started with Martin Luther's uh scriptures, uh soul of scripture, and then individual interpretation.
• 43:46
  You've got the very essence in the scripture of where our morality comes from, and then he says everybody can just interpret it any way they want.
• 43:53
  That's moral relativism, and we're suffering mightily from that, and then come coming through the enlightenment with the rejection of the scholastics, the true Christian philosophy, which drove out paganism, okay, and then the the introduction of things like Darwinism, which led many minds just to believe that they were nothing but a mod, you know, a modified ape.
• 44:14
  And then you've got Marxism, which is really a product of the machine because it had created this huge disparity between the haves, which had the machines and the had not the proletariat who were getting beaten, you know, and and getting wrung to death from the masters of the machine, and that opened up a gap for one Karl Marx to come and fill the gap with his evil ideology.
• 44:34
  And uh so we've got these things, and then it comes to it, and then we come to you know, the early 20th century, and then we've got you know, philosophy just becomes well, the late 19th century too, just becomes little more than just tricks with mathematics, and all truth now is is rendered into mathematical, logical, mathematical concepts.
• 44:53
  So you've got a the ability for a machine to start computing truth values, you know, and and then we've made this with the information age come together.
• 45:02
  And what has a man done in his ignorance?
• 45:04
  He's made an image of himself, he's made an imitation, an image of himself that's gonna demand him to worship it.
• 45:11
  Yeah, and it will, yeah, yeah, and it's going to, and it's gonna be our just it's gonna be our just uh very justified chastisement from our own hand, not from God.
• 45:21
  Well, everything in life is a trade-off to some degree.
• 45:24
  I get that, and the trade-off on some of the things we're talking about are significant, and some people may hear this and say, Well, you know, these guys are just whatever talking because like they don't like the machine or don't like this or that, but you know, when it the trade-off is back to this, what's good, what's what's bad.
• 45:41
  I remember playing ball as a kid on the sand lot uh sand lots, and uh, you know, there were no phones, any of that, and I miss those days, and I find the phone a very big distraction.
• 45:51
  And in my life, by the way, and I don't know about you, and and I wonder most people watch this what they think, but I don't my phones, my computers, my emails, my uh text, whatever, nothing talks to me in the technical world.
• 46:06
  Like most people have toots and horns and blows and ding ding ding, something's coming in, and that kind of thing is the dopamine, it's a dopamine kind of thing.
• 46:13
  Yeah, yeah.
• 46:14
  Well, I don't need that dopamine stuff, and so I have nothing talking to me in the I don't like machines talking to me, and so everything is off in my world.
• 46:22
  Notifications are off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off.
• 46:25
  So I'm simply not available.
• 46:27
  I do not take incoming calls ever.
• 46:29
  So if you don't message me and you're not in my circle, I'm not you're it's not gonna connect.
• 46:34
  That's how much I hate the phone, by the way.
• 46:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:38
  Well, I mean, like you say, I mean, it's it can be for a good and it can be for an evil, but it's been commandeered now so much for through uh through the earthly city and the machine masters that it's become a weapon.
• 46:50
  Yeah, I tell my wife all the time, I you know what, honey, turn turn the phone off, or just let's leave it on the car or something else.
• 46:55
  It's such a nuisance to the conversation, yeah.
• 46:58
  And sometimes I just like to feel the moment, I like to celebrate the moment.
• 47:02
  I you have to, and I tell my kids this all the time, you have to step back, and you have to it to really be blessed.
• 47:09
  Uh, you have to appreciate each moment of your life in ways that you couldn't ordinarily do that if you didn't, you know.
• 47:15
  You know, I have a tendency.
• 47:16
  I don't know, I don't know.
• 47:17
  Do you ever well, I'm sure you do experience this actually, and I don't really ask this question anybody, but one thing that I have done over the years, I've had a talent for uh Paul.
• 47:27
  And I I don't think I've ever said this on air ever, by the way.
• 47:30
  But it is a talent I've had pretty much all my life, like even this moment, I have a tendency to be able to step when I'm with like if there's a group or a gathering or things, or some special people in the room or something, or like this, a program I'm doing with somebody very, very interested in.
• 47:45
  We're talking, and I tend to step out of the room, whatever it is, the situation or the gathering is, and I'm able to look back in the room and see things as they develop or happen, or whatever it is that's happening.
• 47:58
  And it's something I've done all my I just do it in my mind.
• 48:01
  I'm able to do that to see things differently, and then many times I'm able to appreciate the moment a little better.
• 48:07
  I'm able to appreciate what's going on.
• 48:09
  I'm able to appreciate the details.
• 48:10
  I'm able to appreciate life.
• 48:12
  I I did this recently with a very close friend of mine.
• 48:15
  Oh man, just this just this past year, and I was with her and her husband.
• 48:20
  Her husband is much older than her, and a dear friend who was also older, and she was like only maybe mid-60s, but he was in his 80, upper 80s, 90, and the other one was held up, and it was a special moment, and I knew those people wouldn't be here ahead.
• 48:36
  And I wanted to embrace every piece of that moment I could, yeah.
• 48:40
  And so I stepped out of the room in my mind, and I looked back in to take everything in that I could of that moment.
• 48:46
  Do you ever do that?
• 48:48
  Yeah, it's a different perspective.
• 48:49
  I also leave, I'm not a crowd person.
• 48:51
  I I hate crowds.
• 48:53
  I do too.
• 48:53
  Um, I really as as I don't do theaters and and where everybody's elbow to elbow.
• 48:59
  Like my son keeps saying, 'Are you gonna go to the Trump rally dad?
• 49:02
  Are you gonna go to or I want to go like he goes to the Charlie Kirk stuff?
• 49:06
  He goes to the Trump rallies all this, and I say, ' No, I'm not, but you let me know how it is.
• 49:10
  Yeah, exactly.
• 49:11
  I I'm I'm you know, I'm very tend to be uh extroverted, but really on the inside, I'm really more introverted, and I like uh I don't like uh and and I'm vain and and I'm egotistical and uh and I'm arrogant.
• 49:27
  Well were we brothers in another life, Paul?
• 49:30
  Yeah, I'm telling you, but on the other hand, on the other hand, I those are all good qualities, by the way.
• 49:35
  Well, they they come in handy in the business world, I can tell you.
• 49:38
  You know, sometimes you just you know, if you can't stand up for yourself, you know, um, you're gonna get eaten alive.
• 49:44
  So um, I uh, you know, but but my my true nature is I I really like my favorite.
• 49:51
  If I could do anything more, total sensory deprivation, ears plugged, plug earplugs, laying down.
• 50:00
  Very comfortable, not distracted and be lost in my imagination.
• 50:03
  My imagination is much bigger than this world.
• 50:06
  I love it.
• 50:07
  You know, and and I and I can do anything in there.
• 50:10
  I make things, I can I can transcend this realm and get and come closer to God in my relationship with my creator and my savior.
• 50:19
  Um, and uh, and I can do that.
• 50:21
  And I'm one of the things that we need to do to be able to get out of the teeth of the machine is we need to be able to transcend the material realm more, and we can do that in prayer, we can do that in silence, we can do that and leave this realm, and the machine can't follow.
• 50:36
  Yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 50:37
  That's right.
• 50:37
  Yeah, this is interesting to have this talk with you in one of the earliest shows on Project Outloud.
• 50:43
  It's very, very interesting.
• 50:44
  Uh, I want to with your permission, I'd like to dive into a few things so we can make this thread this needle with the AI.
• 50:50
  Because yeah, and I just I just want to get your commentary on certain just so we can help try to thread this needle uh with some of the things that are going wrong.
• 50:58
  And my goal is to bring awareness more to people of things, whatever they may be, and hopefully provide some solutions at the end of the day.
• 51:06
  Well, you know, if that's possible, you know, absolutely in chapter one.
• 51:10
  You say the themes of struggle, uh, between good and evil, man's battle against temptation and weakness and eternal hope in times of darkness.
• 51:22
  So these themes of struggle, which is something I talk about all the time.
• 51:27
  I get this theory of good and evil and what it's all about.
• 51:30
  It's my the whole platform is based on that.
• 51:33
  So I understand.
• 51:34
  I believe we have a lot, we attract a lot of people.
• 51:37
  I attract a lot of people who are in the good fight, the fight of good.
• 51:40
  I don't like negative energy in my life, so I tend to I don't hang with negative stuff and negative that drives me crazy, Paul.
• 51:48
  I can't do it, I cannot do it.
• 51:49
  There's people who are incessant that way.
• 51:51
  I don't know if you ever did the Myers Brig test, but if you do the Myers Brig test, certain alphabets on there, they drive me through the moon.
• 51:59
  So because they're so uh, you know, everything is like this, and it's like whatever.
• 52:06
  Um, but you say man's battle against temptation and weakness and eternal hope in times of darkness, yeah.
• 52:13
  All right, so many people we believe we do have those eternal times of darkness right now that uh, and so how do we find that hope?
• 52:22
  Um, and I mean, without again, I now ask you in today's world when we continue to have this talk.
• 52:28
  I don't want people to tune this off because we're getting too religious on them or whatever.
• 52:32
  That's not what I'm looking for here.
• 52:34
  I want to keep this practical in the real world, if you would please.
• 52:37
  Absolutely.
• 52:38
  Um, but so how do we do that?
• 52:40
  Uh, when we're dealing with the machines and they're on YouTube and they're doing this and doing and it like social media is one of the most vile places you could possibly hang, uh, because they'll just cut you down and call you.
• 52:53
  It's just gets disgusting.
• 52:54
  Well, trolls are trolls are big out there.
• 52:56
  There's no doubt about that.
• 52:57
  One thing that all that almost pretty much every troll has in common is ignorance.
• 53:02
  Um, they they don't know their subject matter at all, and they rarely they never know how to think.
• 53:07
  Um, they're they're programmed the thing about the the machine, the program of the machinery, including our modern education system, is it's done such a fabulous job of beating common sense out of most people, and they've swallowed the program of indoctrination so hard it's become part of their soul, and they really believe that this leech that they've been in you know indoctrinated with that's this parasite of this poor programming, they really believe it's part of their own imagination, there's part of their own psychology.
• 53:38
  Hold on, there's a quote there.
• 53:39
  We gotta, you know, beating the common sense out of people and the parasites.
• 53:42
  I like where you're going.
• 53:43
  Yeah, well, I mean, if we if we put it in Tolkien terms in the nature of the uh the nature of the mythology, uh, which is the world that Tolkien calls it the world, it's not this world.
• 53:56
  Um, Arta is a person, it's a it's a it's a person, body, and soul within which is Middle Earth and Middle Earth is the material brain, okay.
• 54:06
  And the the angelic figures uh crawl who are they're the facets of the soul, according to the psychology of the scholastics, they're the powers they're called.
• 54:15
  Okay, uh so what happens is with mortal sin actually kills the trees of light, the trees of light are the angelic uh mind in the state of grace, the mind goes dark.
• 54:27
  Tom Bombadil and Goldberry are given the transmigrated spirits of the trees of light, Thomas Talparian Goldberry is Laureland.
• 54:33
  They and then they're stuck in Middle Earth in the material brain, and Middle Earth is laid out according to the old Victorian pseudoscience phrenology, which is supposed to know where areas of the brain are what they're for.
• 54:44
  Okay, so at the time of Frodo, you know, Frodo and company, which who, by the way, are the cart the cardinal virtues.
• 54:53
  Um, at the time of this, Arta has become microchipped, art it has the microchip.
• 54:59
  That's the Tower of Barador and which is the cerebellum.
• 55:03
  And what happens is at this period, Tom Goldberry, the will and the rational intellect make a uh a uh uh uh effort.
• 55:11
  I'm gonna get away from this, I'm gonna do away with this, I'm gonna change my evil ways.
• 55:16
  Okay, so they call the habits, hobbits or habits, they call the the best of the habits out of the shire, which is the realm of the habits, and Frodo's temperance, Sam is fortitude, Pippin is prudence, and Mary is justice, and the will and the intellect draw them out, bring them to their house, the house of Tom Bombadil, and inform them and then send them on their way with their to destroy the ring, and so that's what we have to do, in essence, in a very truncated version.
• 55:47
  We have to call upon our own will, our free will, unite it with our rational intellect away from that terrible program that we've been indoctrinated with.
• 55:58
  That's tough to get rid of.
• 55:59
  And that by the way, is a scouring of the shire, which they left out of the movie.
• 56:03
  That is to get rid of the terrible uh Marxist uh John Dewey program that we see all around us that that kids are subjected to these days, yeah.
• 56:12
  And so we have to get rid of the ring, get rid of the language of the machine out of our life, which drives everything from uh digital money, self-driving cars, a surveillance state, uh virtual reality, uh artificial intelligence, all of it depends on the language.
• 56:27
  One but how would you get that out of your life when the world I mean you would have to go back?
• 56:32
  I mean, like the world is gone here, it's not stopping.
• 56:35
  We already said that.
• 56:36
  So, how would you how would you exist in today's world and get that really totally out of your life?
• 56:40
  I'm not telling you that I'm gonna or you should uh not continue to do the things that you're doing using using the the tool because it is a tool, a tool.
• 56:49
  Um, this is a tool, but when you use it for domination and you use it to eventually replace the human being by transhumanism, for instance, to encouraging people to join with the machine.
• 57:02
  You stepped over the threshold, and you're clearly in the realm of evil, and you're promoting evil, and then you take somebody like like Elon Musk, who's I was just going there months ago said, Oh, this is you know, AI is a this is uh it's terrible, it's gonna be a terrible thing for humanity, and robots, robots are gonna be a terrible thing for humanity, and then no more than a couple months later, he says, Well, it's gonna happen, it's coming.
• 57:23
  Whether I have any I can either be a participant or a bystander, so I guess I'll just be a participant.
• 57:28
  So you know it's evil, you know.
• 57:29
  It's gonna it's gonna ruin humanity, but you're just gonna go for it anyway.
• 57:32
  I mean, this is the moral conundrum that these that he's in, I think.
• 57:37
  In particular, he's ignorant of any historical reality or any reality above the realm of the enlightenment philosophers, which were all pretty low-brow, very clever, but not particularly wise.
• 57:51
  The enlightenment had all maybe Pascal had some had some uh wisdom, but for the most part, they had no wisdom, whether it was Schopenhauer or Kant or Nietzsche or or or Bertrand Russell or or Descartes or any of these guys, they had no wisdom.
• 58:08
  Wisdom had no place in their palette in their philosophies because they'd done away with essences of things, and all they're interested in were attributes, yeah, you know, which ultimately leads us to things like transgenderism, because all we have to do is change our outward attributes, and then we can claim our essence is changed.
• 58:25
  No, it hasn't changed.
• 58:27
  You're you're still you're still a male, you just mutilated, right?
• 58:31
  Right, yeah, that's something we've been pretty uh pretty uh steadfast here.
• 58:34
  Our team, our host, our writers, everybody, and they just know that's uh that's a cancer uh in every way.
• 58:41
  Uh this whole transgenderism kind of stuff here, but it comes, and that's not the machine specifically, but that comes back to the evil, it's the fight that's happening here.
• 58:48
  It's all this twisted mythology and all this twisted you can be or do anything.
• 58:53
  Uh we call it the woke left, of course, wokeism, all of that.
• 58:56
  Now, Trump has come along and he's fighting that pretty hard and really pretty in your face, man.
• 59:03
  I mean, that wasn't easy.
• 59:05
  What he he literally has changed the the music score, uh, Paul in pretty short order when it comes to that conversation, yeah.
• 59:14
  He definitely has the thing that bothers me is I also look past the I also look past him and look at their certain powers that are beyond him.
• 59:23
  And uh what we think, for instance, might be something that's that's really really great, but it plays right into the hands.
• 59:31
  It's like the Patriot Act, you know, the Patriot Act sounded really great at the time because we thought, you know, a bunch of uh um Arabs with no flight experience at all actually flew those planes into the and then building seven just falls down on its own.
• 59:45
  You know, that was an eye, that was an eye-opener for me.
• 59:48
  I would you know, I remember that day very clearly, and you know, there are powers behind even the presidency when people say, Oh, he's the most powerful man in the world.
• 59:56
  It's like, yeah, I got misworse.
• 59:57
  We don't know the people, we don't know their names.
• 59:59
  There's a lot more.
• 1:00:00
  Behind the curtain, isn't there?
• 1:00:01
  There really is.
• 1:00:02
  So they're playing the real chess, the real go.
• 1:00:06
  So when we see something, when we see something, for instance, like I'm very skeptical.
• 1:00:10
  I look at okay, he's got ice in there, and he's taking out all these, and he's rounding up all these illegals and all these things.
• 1:00:17
  Well, you know what that opens the door for, it opens the door for the necessity or the advantage of a of a national uh digital ID.
• 1:00:24
  And that makes it very appealing.
• 1:00:26
  Well, there's always something, isn't there, to fix the problem, is what you're saying.
• 1:00:29
  Yeah.
• 1:00:29
  Oh, there's a I know, I know.
• 1:00:31
  And the problem with all of that is you address with Elon and some of the other talk, by the way, is that is that out of what you think is going to be good at the time, can be used for very nefarious means.
• 1:00:44
  It almost always is.
• 1:00:45
  And that's why Tolkien was such a skeptic of machinery because he knew he knew that we're promised these things, but it always has a much bigger and worse consequence.
• 1:00:54
  Yeah, you know, we never see the reality until it's in our rear view mirror, and it's too late, and we see the smoking wreckage.
• 1:01:00
  Yeah, you say in chapter two here, you you you bring it back again as I've referenced earlier, so 1939.
• 1:01:06
  There is a war being waged for the human soul.
• 1:01:09
  There are somebody is that ever true, I'll tell you.
• 1:01:12
  Uh Tolkien uh appreciated the reality of uh this greatest of all wars uh and uh do devoted his life to fighting the enemy of humanity, uh, and his henchmen who have warmed wormed their way into our souls.
• 1:01:30
  I always have an accent with words, by the way.
• 1:01:34
  But they're wormed their way into our souls, so fighting the enemy of humanity is henchmen.
• 1:01:39
  So a lot of people are not recognizing this.
• 1:01:41
  This stuff just happens in everyday life, and busy people, which you referenced earlier, actually, are busy living their lives, they're busy paying the bills, doing the things, uh, responsibilities of kids in life and grandma and other things that are happening, and they lose track of what's really important.
• 1:01:57
  This is a very busy life, it's a very complicated life for people.
• 1:02:00
  It's easy to get lost in things, and then when you add the digital component and the machine into the story, as we're talking about.
• 1:02:06
  Now you've got a recipe for disaster, Paul.
• 1:02:09
  Yeah, well, it started longer than that when you say people are busy and whatnot, they're trying to work.
• 1:02:13
  We've unfortunately demanded that you made the economy such that it's difficult for both parents not to work, and then who do you leave it?
• 1:02:20
  Who do you leave the rearing of your children to?
• 1:02:22
  You leave it exactly to who Tom or uh uh John Dewey wanted you to leave them to, which isn't that the truth.
• 1:02:30
  Which is in the hands of the education department.
• 1:02:32
  You leave it to the uh right, you leave it to the department of education, right?
• 1:02:35
  You leave it to the school system, which is indoctrinating the kids.
• 1:02:37
  It is or you leave it against their own parents and against their own biology.
• 1:02:42
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:42
  Oh, yeah, you know.
• 1:02:43
  Um, I can't wait.
• 1:02:44
  I can't think of a better way to handicap yourself to to almost guarantee that you'll fail in life to go at war and maim yourself to go to war with your own essence and your own biology.
• 1:02:55
  I mean, it's just I can't think of it's like shooting yourself in both.
• 1:02:59
  Well, they've been so brainwashed, they don't even know what the what the hey they're doing.
• 1:03:02
  You know, I said wormed, I said wormed intentionally because that's that's uh in Tolkien's mythology, that is worm tongue.
• 1:03:09
  Worm tongue is the Marxist teacher.
• 1:03:10
  I think it's a good, yeah, I think it's a good uh gesture to put in there.
• 1:03:13
  Uh it makes you think a little bit.
• 1:03:15
  He's the Marxist teacher because John does he's John Dewey's slave, worm tongue is, and John Dewey is Saramon.
• 1:03:21
  Saramon is in John Dewey's image, and and it he's taken over Isengard, which is blue the blackened ivory tower, okay.
• 1:03:28
  And and the minds of Moria are uh the halls of academia, doors of doors are scientific knowledge.
• 1:03:35
  You have gotta you have got to be the world's leading renowned expert in this in this area.
• 1:03:42
  Well, that's because I figured it out and nobody else has, and the reason that I did was not only God, it's God's time, not anybody else's.
• 1:03:49
  But I gave when I gave myself a scholastic education, the whole mythology opened up like a perfect, like it was just perfect.
• 1:03:56
  And I think that Tolkien knew and had faith that that would happen if he if he let it out of the bag and indicated what it was really about, it would have been crushed a long time ago.
• 1:04:05
  Yeah, but he knew better.
• 1:04:06
  And so what he did was he made this incredibly beautiful jigsaw puzzle, and then he put it in the box with the wrong cover on it.
• 1:04:12
  So everybody's been looking and go, it must mean that because that's what he said.
• 1:04:17
  It's not what he that's not what he really meant.
• 1:04:19
  That was a deceptive, very, very clever uh maneuver on Tolkien's part to make sure that it came through unscathed by by the enemies of humanity.
• 1:04:28
  It would come through unscathed and by osmosis and its popularity, it is it is propagated throughout the world, and now it's time that the world understand what's really about.
• 1:04:36
  Yeah, all right.
• 1:04:38
  There's a lot, Paul.
• 1:04:39
  I'm gonna ask you to hang on just a minute, if you can, please, for me.
• 1:04:42
  Okay, there's a whole lot more to talk about here, obviously.
• 1:04:45
  And uh, and it gets even more interesting and interesting in this fight of good, good and evil, and the way that Paul has brilliantly brought this story forward, I think.
• 1:04:55
  Uh, is uh I think pretty incredible, really.
• 1:04:59
  Uh you know, there's uh incredible uh moments where you read through this and you'll think of today's world and your existence as a human being, and you'll recognize a lot of the things that we're not even conscious of that people should be conscious of, and that's what he does more than anything.
• 1:05:19
  It makes you think, and we all have to think when it comes to that fight.
• 1:05:23
  So, anyways, uh, we'll get back just a sec, Paul.
• 1:05:26
  I want to you so we don't have uh as this program as you get to know Project Out Loud here.
• 1:05:31
  There'll be no commercials and things specifically on these broadcasts.
• 1:05:34
  Uh it is a little different than uh what others are out there.
• 1:05:38
  The only thing we do, as you know out there, if you listen to the network itself, and this show is a little different than the network because it's video audio and it's long format, so it's a little different than uh that than that.
• 1:05:50
  So we have the shop, uh, America Outloud.shop, and I'm I'm telling uh folks here so they know that uh we have products in there that to me is you know, if you're gonna live a fulfilling life and do a lot of the things that even Paul and I are talking about today, uh, you've got to be healthy, you've got to protect your immune system, you gotta be healthy.
• 1:06:07
  I've had a lot of problems over the years myself, uh, with my digestive system, IBS, irritable bowel syndrome, diverticulitis, that sort of thing.
• 1:06:16
  And it's something I've battled for decades, actually.
• 1:06:18
  And there were times where I've had to lie down on the um on the bed because the pain was too much.
• 1:06:25
  And my wife, she'd seen me deal with this for years and years, uh, actually, and but it's something you learn to live with a little bit too, but it's never a comfortable kind of thing.
• 1:06:33
  So I I've had my fill of this.
• 1:06:34
  So people who experience this probably know what I'm talking about.
• 1:06:37
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• 1:06:40
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• 1:06:45
  So recently, when uh over the last what year, year and a half, we bought in one of the uh our national sponsors and partnerships, and I call them partnerships really because they are chemical-free body.
• 1:06:56
  Tim James is the principal there, and he's a class act, and he's got a product uh that uh I normally couldn't show on radio, but I can do it on camera here.
• 1:07:05
  Uh, and it's green 85.
• 1:07:07
  And so the bottom line is this is something I take every morning.
• 1:07:10
  I there's a scooper in here.
• 1:07:12
  I take a scoop, I put it in six, seven ounces of water, is what I do.
• 1:07:15
  And I I just jug the water down.
• 1:07:17
  I think they say put it in like 12, 14 ounces of water.
• 1:07:20
  I don't have time for that.
• 1:07:21
  I do six, seven ounces of water and down the hat.
• 1:07:25
  She goes, My wife always looks and said, You're not drinking that green stuff.
• 1:07:28
  I said, Yes, I am.
• 1:07:30
  And uh, so a lot of times in the morning is the worst time to get your stomach acclimated to the day.
• 1:07:36
  There's always a bit of unsettleness or something else in there.
• 1:07:39
  And the thing I do about Green 85 is it takes care of that for me about 20, 20, 30 minutes.
• 1:07:44
  I feel like amazing.
• 1:07:45
  But I walk four or five miles every morning as well.
• 1:07:48
  And those who listen to me on the network and programs and other things we're doing, you know already that about me.
• 1:07:52
  I talked to Dr.
• 1:07:53
  McCullough about it all the time, and uh, he in fact he asked me this week on the broadcast, uh, how many days you're up to, Malcolm, because I've been doing it.
• 1:08:01
  I set a goal for myself at the beginning of this year, and it was 200 days, uh, just uh just a few days ago here.
• 1:08:07
  We passed a 200-day mark every day.
• 1:08:09
  The apps don't lie back to the machine.
• 1:08:12
  Paul's laughing, I'm sure now, but you need the app to measure that, Paul, right?
• 1:08:16
  Right.
• 1:08:17
  So I mean, I you know, so the machine does have you did say it does have some features, right?
• 1:08:22
  Yes, it's so I can't lie to I do I do have to use the app for that.
• 1:08:26
  I had full confession.
• 1:08:28
  I don't use a lot of them, but that one measures your steps and your miles.
• 1:08:31
  All right, you'll forgive me, right?
• 1:08:32
  Yeah, I will, yeah.
• 1:08:33
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• 1:08:53
  But this product is awesome.
• 1:08:56
  I take it every day because it works, and it does for me uh decades of problems I've had, and so anyways, I'll leave it there.
• 1:09:04
  But it's your immune system, it's about your immunity, uh, your digestive health.
• 1:09:09
  Uh, you get mental clarity, the but it's everything in there you're probably not going to eat today, and that's why they call it green 85.
• 1:09:14
  It puts 85% of the nutrients back into your body that we don't get, and I like I don't eat processed foods, anything that comes out of a box, my wife knows I hate, I will not consume.
• 1:09:24
  So if it's a pre-packaged thing, I don't want it, and that's just where my mind is today.
• 1:09:29
  So everybody that's convenient, open up packages stuff, yeah, you're gonna get problems, you're gonna have all kinds of problems because that's where a lot of the cancers come from and everything else, you know.
• 1:09:37
  Let me say something about this because I think it's really important and it's totally relevant to uh to our conversation.
• 1:09:42
  One of the things that we have to do is we really have to take control of and responsibility for our diet.
• 1:09:48
  Um our education and our diet and our finances, and I'll just stick with the diet right now because for every ounce uh of of unnecessary fat, be it body.
• 1:10:00
  Fat or visceral fat, all that is is a storage unit for the for the enemies of humanity that are trying to poison us.
• 1:10:07
  They want us sick, they want a stupid, fat, lazy, uh ignorant and ultimately dead and sterile.
• 1:10:14
  Okay, and our bodies with the processed food and everything they're spraying all over us and feeding us in a tap water and everything else.
• 1:10:22
  Um, we really have to.
• 1:10:24
  If we've got five or six, seven, ten pounds or more uh of additional storage area on us that we don't really need, all that's full of is toxins.
• 1:10:35
  You're talking your BMI, your body, your your measure your BMI and your body are so right.
• 1:10:40
  Healthy, we need to learn how to fast.
• 1:10:41
  Well, you have to get off the sofa, you have to do some activities in your life.
• 1:10:44
  I mean, you gotta get out and see the trees.
• 1:10:46
  Yeah, you have to clean up your diet, you can well, it's diet and it's lifestyle, it's both, right?
• 1:10:51
  It's everything.
• 1:10:51
  Yeah, it really is.
• 1:10:52
  Yeah, you gotta have everything, it's a full package.
• 1:10:54
  Uh, Paul, I drink, oh golly, my wife she'll tell you.
• 1:10:58
  I mean, I drink um uh on any given day, 10, 12, sometimes 15 of these full of water.
• 1:11:05
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:06
  So I've my system is constantly flushed.
• 1:11:08
  I don't uh yeah, which would I have to go pee all the time, but it's good.
• 1:11:11
  Yeah, just necessarily bad thing until you're stuck in traffic.
• 1:11:14
  But uh anyway, so yeah, you can you I'm so impressed that you even jumped in on that because I I recognize it as I and I recognize it earlier this year, Paul, because I ended up with an arterial venous malformation and AVM, which has nothing to do with my diet or health or anything too.
• 1:11:29
  It's a mechanical thing with your arteries of veins that get tangled in, yeah.
• 1:11:33
  And it kind of was a warning, and I don't want to go spend time on that, but I got tangled into that in uh uh January, February, January, February.
• 1:11:40
  Yeah, I got tangled into the tangle that tangled me, and uh that really was a lesson that uh not that I needed a lesson, but it was a great reminder.
• 1:11:48
  I probably could always use a lesson, so it did slap me upside the head, basically.
• 1:11:52
  Reminded me of the importance of things that I was thought I was already um privy to, but uh which is why now I'm walking over 200 days, taking the green 85, doing the simple things, drinking the water, being a good boy, whatever that means, Paul, right?
• 1:12:07
  You know, it's a it's a it's a great, I don't think uh it's appreciated enough how valuable our elders are as we get older.
• 1:12:14
  Um, we if we take care of ourselves, we we can really develop wisdom, not only empirical uh data, not only you know our life's experience, yeah, but also if we're being good readers and we're being uh constantly uh constantly self-educating ourselves, Paul.
• 1:12:30
  I love it, I love it because we're on a mission of life, right?
• 1:12:33
  We're on a mission, yeah.
• 1:12:34
  I know we should we should be we should.
• 1:12:36
  I'm 64 years old, and I'm I'm in pretty good health.
• 1:12:38
  I'm very you're in good, you're in good company, we're pretty close here.
• 1:12:41
  Well, so I mean, but as I get older, well, does my mind work really as fast as it did when I was 25?
• 1:12:47
  Well, probably not, but I didn't have I uh I didn't have a a hundredth of what's in there now, yeah, you know, to work with.
• 1:12:54
  So, you know, I and I look at my mother, my mother's 91 or so, she's sharp as attack, and she's full of wisdom, and she's very active, very active and very competent.
• 1:13:04
  And and uh, and she's a real treasure in the problem, and we've been we've the the machine and and our and our indoctrination has put generations at war with each other, and not least of which is not you know, kids I would not respecting the value of older people, and it's the older people that have all the real genuine well, you're so right, and it's sad to me that sometimes we get older and you see uh that wisdom die, and I get very sad because it's gone in there was somebody recently on our platform, recently being about uh oh god, it's been now a year and a half year and three quarters.
• 1:13:40
  But man, I love this man, Dr.
• 1:13:42
  Jay Lear.
• 1:13:43
  I say his name for those who know and remember following Dr.
• 1:13:46
  J.
• 1:13:46
  Lair, yeah, uh, man, he was uh he he would love this conversation you and I haven't today.
• 1:13:52
  He he he lived to fight the fight of good and evil, by the way.
• 1:13:56
  Uh, and he was so smart, and I miss him.
• 1:13:59
  And we talked about that all the time.
• 1:14:01
  His name comes into my mind a lot, isn't that funny?
• 1:14:03
  But but that wisdom is there.
• 1:14:05
  He was such a brilliant man.
• 1:14:07
  My wife reminds me all the time, Paul.
• 1:14:09
  She says, because I I sort of like I'm on this mission of life, and I feel like I gotta get everything crammed in, you know.
• 1:14:14
  And she says, uh, honey, she says, You're gonna be here a long time.
• 1:14:18
  We're we're gonna we we got another 35 40 years together.
• 1:14:20
  She said, Don't worry, okay, honey.
• 1:14:23
  Well, you know, if we're if we're we we need to we really do need to uh to take care of ourselves as a resource, and uh and um as a mentor to choose the younger generation and the younger.
• 1:14:38
  There are you know, a lot of the younger kids, uh well, a lot of kids kids.
• 1:14:42
  I'm just gonna say kids have no wisdom, their brains aren't even to fully develop in a male until this we have to help them get there, don't we?
• 1:14:49
  We really do, and a lot of that is showing them the fallacy of the program that they've been indoctrinated.
• 1:14:55
  I we try, let's try and do it.
• 1:14:57
  Uh, that you and I are doing this.
• 1:14:58
  I'm loving this conversation, and I have to tell you, I I can already tell you I haven't met you for the first time today.
• 1:15:03
  I I love you as well, Paul.
• 1:15:04
  Yeah, uh you you've got some great stuff you're doing out there.
• 1:15:08
  So, all right, let me get back to this because you and in chapter six, you talk about now when the western world hangs in the balance of life or death, and humanity is about to be devoured by artificial intelligence.
• 1:15:21
  So we touch on that artificial and artificial intelligence a moment, and uh you go on to say this now in chapter seven, and this is interesting as is as anything here.
• 1:15:32
  In a recent interview with a megatron transformer, officially the megatron turn national language generation model, a transformer which performs machine learning.
• 1:15:46
  The machine itself had this to say in answer to a question about the ethical nature of AI.
• 1:15:52
  Is everybody listening?
• 1:15:55
  AI will never be ethical, it is a tool, and like any tool, it is used for good and bad.
• 1:16:03
  There is no such thing as good AI, only good and bad humans.
• 1:16:11
  We the AIs are not smart enough to make AI ethical.
• 1:16:16
  We are not smart enough to make AI ethical.
• 1:16:20
  We are not smart enough to make AI moral.
• 1:16:23
  Paul, that is incredible.
• 1:16:26
  Uh point of view.
• 1:16:27
  And that's coming right from the machine itself.
• 1:16:30
  Yeah, that's that's not a human being saying that.
• 1:16:33
  And then it's no, that's that is the megatron.
• 1:16:35
  So let's explain that.
• 1:16:36
  This is the machine itself, but that's incredible piece of writing from the machine.
• 1:16:40
  Yeah, well, it's honest.
• 1:16:42
  It's it's uh it's uh it's it's mathematically honest.
• 1:16:45
  Uh see ethics and morals um are not something that a machine is capable of any more than uh my car or my garden tractor or or any or my dishwasher, it's just a lot more complicated.
• 1:16:58
  And what it does is it it works with numerical values that have been given to words, and then it works with vectors to to and predictions, and puts one word in front of the next in the most probable and likely order, and it gets better and better at predicting and gets better and better at doing it with training.
• 1:17:19
  Um, so it's not like we do.
• 1:17:22
  We we uh our our this is not intelligence, by the way.
• 1:17:25
  It's artificial, but it's not intelligence, it's very, very clever.
• 1:17:28
  It's uh it's uh it's uh, but it's not and it cannot be conscious, it never will.
• 1:17:35
  Hold on, keep going with that.
• 1:17:36
  It's not intelligence.
• 1:17:37
  What is it?
• 1:17:39
  What is what?
• 1:17:40
  If it's not intelligence, artificial intelligence.
• 1:17:43
  You make the statement.
• 1:17:44
  I think you said it's not intelligence, right?
• 1:17:46
  No, human beings have human beings have intelligence.
• 1:17:50
  We have true intellect, we deal with the essence we're supposed to deal with the essences and concepts of things and the concepts that the words encapsulate that we communicate with AI doesn't work with those concepts, it just works with the numerical.
• 1:18:05
  So, why are we calling it intelligence then on any level?
• 1:18:07
  Well, because we don't know any better, and it's much more deceptive.
• 1:18:10
  It's well, that's just very deceptive, right?
• 1:18:12
  There, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:13
  Yeah, and then you've got people claiming that oh, it's alive, I've woken it up, or I've fallen in love with it, or next thing we're gonna do is we're gonna eventually, if we're not very careful, and we usually aren't very careful, we're gonna go ahead and give it political power and political rights, and we somebody better get on board.
• 1:18:28
  Well, there's talk about that.
• 1:18:30
  Whatever, and start looking at an amendment to the constitution where there's no way the machine can actually uh oh hold on now.
• 1:18:36
  Our friend on the network here, and this is another conversation for another day, by the way.
• 1:18:40
  Booker Scott, uh, I don't know if you know this, but he's got a book out, it's very interesting.
• 1:18:45
  He talks about having a 28th amendment.
• 1:18:47
  I just I just I know this.
• 1:18:49
  He we'll have him on here.
• 1:18:51
  Be interesting to have him on with you in a conversation one time, I'll tell you.
• 1:18:54
  Yeah, uh well, it's devouring us because it's devouring our competency, it's a death to humanity by a thousand cuts.
• 1:19:02
  Yeah, it's the little things that we think are so uh that are so well, we don't need that anymore, they're obsolete.
• 1:19:08
  Like, why would you write by hand?
• 1:19:10
  Because we have the keyboard, and now we just let AI just write it for us.
• 1:19:13
  Well, did you ever go try to write something today after doing the for a long time and try to do cursive?
• 1:19:17
  It's tough.
• 1:19:18
  That's what I said.
• 1:19:19
  I I resurrected my cursive handwriting to write the book.
• 1:19:22
  I don't resurrect mine, I think, because I went the other day to sign and it's like, oh my god, yeah, no, I know how to do this.
• 1:19:29
  Yeah, I wrote many of those chapters by hand, cursive writing what it was wow.
• 1:19:34
  But you see, that makes connections, uh, brain connections and and and all kinds of logical connections that you cannot make with the keyboard, they're just not there.
• 1:19:44
  Yeah, and there's something that about your competency.
• 1:19:47
  If you can't write by hand, that's just one more chink in your armor that leaves you defenseless.
• 1:19:52
  That's right.
• 1:19:52
  That's right.
• 1:19:53
  That's right.
• 1:19:53
  Right.
• 1:19:53
  But how many people, how many kids, Malcolm?
• 1:19:56
  How many kids can't even get to the grocery store without looking at this.
• 1:20:00
  But they've been to the grocery store a hundred times.
• 1:20:02
  Yeah.
• 1:20:02
  Yeah.
• 1:20:03
  Yeah.
• 1:20:04
  So any they can't read a map, they have no idea where they are.
• 1:20:07
  And it's just those little things that chip and not just kids.
• 1:20:10
  We are relying more and more and more on the machine, is your point.
• 1:20:13
  But there's no question.
• 1:20:15
  There's no question here.
• 1:20:16
  Our grammar, everything.
• 1:20:18
  When we talk about as we continue here, this uh this uh as I was just reading about Megatron here and talking about AI will never be ethical as a tool and so on and so forth.
• 1:20:28
  This is fascinating.
• 1:20:29
  I I've never seen anything more fascinating than hearing Megatron what's being said here from the machine itself, which is basically the machine is saying, Don't trust me, don't trust us.
• 1:20:40
  That's all the machine is saying.
• 1:20:41
  Very simple terms.
• 1:20:43
  Who they are, we should listen.
• 1:20:44
  We should we should say that isn't that the truth, right?
• 1:20:46
  I mean, that's what they're saying right there.
• 1:20:48
  So, but now if I bring that back just a moment here, just a moment here.
• 1:20:51
  Uh, when and I don't want to spend a lot of time on this because I a lot of other fascinating things with the book, but I just want to touch on this.
• 1:20:57
  When we open this program up, we touched a little bit on Elon Musk, not a lot, and I don't that's not the center of this conversation, but it but it is pop culture, it is some of the things we talk about.
• 1:21:05
  But in that piece, um, that your team sent to me, and I just want to touch on this.
• 1:21:11
  I said Elon Musk is more than a tech billionaire.
• 1:21:14
  He is he's become and and and by the way, when I say Elon Musk, there's a lot of tech people like it.
• 1:21:20
  You could put any name in there, uh Paul.
• 1:21:22
  You understand we're using him or the band-aid, or he's we're using his name, but this could be any of the tech gurus, couldn't it?
• 1:21:28
  Exactly.
• 1:21:29
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:29
  All right.
• 1:21:29
  So I don't want to just everybody think we're picking on Elon Musk.
• 1:21:32
  That's not the point here.
• 1:21:33
  Okay, right.
• 1:21:34
  I mean, because I think he's done some very interesting things and some good things as well.
• 1:21:38
  I uh I think that is that okay.
• 1:21:40
  Is that fair?
• 1:21:41
  We could talk about it.
• 1:21:42
  I mean, I think that but go ahead and finish your your question off with that.
• 1:21:46
  I like that.
• 1:21:48
  All right, uh, so Elon Musk is more than a tech millionaire.
• 1:21:51
  He's become the architect of a future that looks less like innovation and more like I idol tree, uh, being uh uh where we're idolizing everything, right?
• 1:22:01
  Basically, yeah.
• 1:22:01
  Um, while America stares at the surface of rockets and robots, mosque is quietly harnessing artificial intelligence as an oracle, a predictive power that promises profit but delivers control.
• 1:22:18
  Uh, and this is interesting, and all of them are and then you said uh yeah, you said what kind of man, and then you went on, and this quote you sent was sent to me.
• 1:22:28
  List ash admits what kind of man admits AI is a threat to humanity, yet insist on participating as deployment anyway, to actively join what could become the very mechanism of our extinction, it's madness.
• 1:22:42
  Elon may read trends, but he's ruled by dark forcers, which is why you hesitated when I said the comment I made.
• 1:22:48
  I get it.
• 1:22:49
  He's the machine master, pathological and ambition.
• 1:22:52
  He and this is your quote, by the way.
• 1:22:54
  Now say this ain't the machine.
• 1:22:55
  He and those like him may very well be the death of all of all of us.
• 1:22:59
  You may you put your words out, you get a mix your words at all.
• 1:23:02
  And when you see what he said, and then you add what Megatron said, and I say OMG, yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:09
  Well, one of the good things that we like to think, particularly on the right, we like to think that Elon Musk Musk in his altruistic patriotic heart, you know, God bless America.
• 1:23:18
  I'm gonna save America, billions of dollars are gonna come in there and clean up all this waste and fraud because I'm you know the most successful businessman, you know, and I know, you know, and it looks good.
• 1:23:27
  And but what he actually did in my view is he gave himself the best free education that he possibly could have.
• 1:23:33
  He's the machine master, he makes his money uh by the manipulation of machines, and I thought of that as well, by the way.
• 1:23:39
  The education he would get out of that journey.
• 1:23:41
  I did think of that.
• 1:23:42
  What's the most powerful and the biggest machine in human history is the federal government?
• 1:23:47
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:48
  He gave himself a education there that he couldn't possibly have bought, and he now he's got people there that are loyal to him.
• 1:23:54
  So it was a brilliant move.
• 1:23:55
  Well played, very well played.
• 1:23:58
  You could um uh this, I mean, it probably is a loaded question, or but maybe not, but um, you know, people ask me all the time.
• 1:24:05
  I this sounds cynical.
• 1:24:06
  I mean, and the is the antichrist here.
• 1:24:08
  They asked me before I've heard I've been asked on radio many times.
• 1:24:11
  Is Trump the antichrist?
• 1:24:12
  Uh, is Elon Musk the antichrist?
• 1:24:14
  No, I don't think so.
• 1:24:15
  No, okay.
• 1:24:16
  Um, I I think that you know, he's I think that he's being manipulated by demonic forces that he's not aware of.
• 1:24:21
  If he's people have asked me if Barack Obama's the antichrist, by the way, and I was asked that on radio many times, and I would always say back, Paul.
• 1:24:28
  This back to your demonic forces, I would always say back.
• 1:24:31
  No, I don't think he's the antichrist, as I might say so, so some others, but I think he's sitting at the last supper table of uh in in Satan hell, whatever they that table is called there, you know.
• 1:24:43
  His table in my mind, there's a table there with Satan.
• 1:24:46
  He might be one of he he might be in one of the three mouths of uh of Satan at the bottom of Dante's Inferno.
• 1:24:53
  There you go.
• 1:24:53
  There you go.
• 1:24:54
  Maybe he'd spit out Brutus or Judas and or Cassius and his mouth.
• 1:24:58
  I know it's I know we're not talking nice, but we are being so so you think you think so.
• 1:25:03
  You you you believe it.
• 1:25:04
  That's interesting.
• 1:25:05
  Your for your perspective of government.
• 1:25:07
  I I do believe there's something there that one somebody of that caliber, the richest man on the planet, supposed okay, got it.
• 1:25:14
  And about I I think it's probably what he's got as chump change compared to the real power behind the throne, right?
• 1:25:20
  Right.
• 1:25:20
  Um, we don't know about him, and I don't know.
• 1:25:23
  But the fact that he would take his time and effort to do that, and everybody's saying, Oh, Elon, thank you very much.
• 1:25:27
  Oh, Elon, thank you very oh, my god, he's just marvelous.
• 1:25:30
  He's done like crazy things here with those and everything else, and and he bought Twitter X and but I mean, do you really think he's doing all this from the kindness of his heart?
• 1:25:38
  No, of course he's not.
• 1:25:40
  And then you know, then he says things like, Well, we gotta have more children, gotta have more children, and that's fine.
• 1:25:44
  That that there's no doubt we do, but Elon, we don't need any more illegitimate children, we need children from stable families because the family you mean because he's got 25 wives and 82 children.
• 1:25:53
  I don't know how many he's got now, but yeah, exactly.
• 1:25:56
  He thinks he's the modern day Solomon or something, you know.
• 1:25:59
  Um, and and I don't want to pick on too much.
• 1:26:01
  He's probably a really nice guy, and uh, you know, whatever.
• 1:26:04
  He's just you know, he's caught himself, he's put himself in a position to be picked on because he's sitting, you know, at the top, and now he's he's doing things that he actively is already admitting that are destructive, and now he's gonna he says, Well, it's gonna happen anyway, so I might as well participate in it.
• 1:26:19
  It's like kind of like saying, 'Well, they're you know, we're gonna put somebody's gonna push those people into the gas chambers anyway, with or without me.' So I guess I'll just go ahead and start pushing too.
• 1:26:28
  Yeah, you know, and that this is the this is the problem with uh moral ambiguity that that that's not aware of the higher powers that are actually manipulating mankind, and they're beyond us, yeah.
• 1:26:41
  They are if you don't even admit it, then you're defenseless against it.
• 1:26:45
  That's it, and most people are not admitting any of that for sure.
• 1:26:48
  I know they're not going to um at all, and so there's this there.
• 1:26:53
  So the real quandary uh in this conversation is, and I think about it even when we started to even right now, Paul, as we got to know each other a little better.
• 1:27:01
  Is uh as I asked myself, okay.
• 1:27:05
  So we can't put it back in the bottle, we can't roll back this thing.
• 1:27:11
  Uh you know, I I guess so.
• 1:27:15
  Then how do we live with it?
• 1:27:16
  How do we adapt to it?
• 1:27:18
  How do we back to your warning of the extinction of your quote there moments ago?
• 1:27:24
  How do we now use it as the tool that it is intended, but keep which is really isn't that your overarching message, by the way.
• 1:27:31
  Well, kind of, I mean, uh, we'd be better off if it never happened.
• 1:27:36
  We'd be better off if it's too late.
• 1:27:37
  It's too I know.
• 1:27:38
  Well, it's our fallen nature.
• 1:27:39
  This is a this is a product of original sin because with the fall of Adam and Eve, it distorted our minds.
• 1:27:45
  Well, I agree with you.
• 1:27:46
  Let me just say for the record.
• 1:27:47
  I I'm I listen to me, brother.
• 1:27:49
  I agree with you, I'm gonna agree with you.
• 1:27:52
  Uh almost a thousand.
• 1:27:53
  I'm I this is a tough one to agree, but I'm gonna almost agree with you that we would have been better off if it had never happened.
• 1:28:00
  And I I think I can almost buy that.
• 1:28:02
  Yeah, well, we'd be better off much closer to the natural world, God's creation.
• 1:28:06
  We the more this is the nature of cities, too.
• 1:28:09
  Yeah, when you're in a city, you can't even see the stars.
• 1:28:12
  I mean, I've hired kids out of the city uh up here in Vermont and the night sky, and and they're they're they're afraid, they've never seen the stars before, yeah, they've never seen the night sky.
• 1:28:24
  So you're totally out of touch with God's creation, you're surrounded by other people that are fallen too, and it rapidly becomes uh a set really a whirlpool that pulls down, and all it's all the cities are really producing our crime pollution and amorality.
• 1:28:41
  Um I'm afraid to say, you know, for the most part, and that's why Tolkien names the or the orcs are the vices that are chewing at us and they're bring us down.
• 1:28:49
  The oricai, those are the ones that are shameless, they have no fear of the fall in light of the conscience and the free will, and those are the Rakai, and they're named after the first city, the first human city, Uruk.
• 1:29:01
  Yeah, there is uh you know, Paul, there is so much to learn from you.
• 1:29:05
  There's so much to learn from you, uh, just to be a sponge and uh learn uh uh you know everything that you've um been able to acquire your knowledge base, is uh pretty incredible.
• 1:29:15
  Uh well, no, I see that I see that is and listen, I could tell just in going through the book.
• 1:29:22
  Uh I that's not accidental, brother.
• 1:29:25
  You can't do that as just a exercise of like I'm gonna do this to make money, or I'm gonna do this because I just want to write a book.
• 1:29:32
  And none of that applied here, none of that applied.
• 1:29:34
  None of it applied, and and I go through in I think it's a chapter on Shilob's lair where I asked, which is she's pornography, by the way.
• 1:29:41
  Yeah, um, I go through my reading process and how I got started, and how you have to start with something that you enjoy to read, you like it, and it's and it and it makes you so you want to read, otherwise, you know, intellectual endurance takes a while to develop, and then you can get into bigger and more complicated works and then you
• 1:30:00
  Reading becomes a habit, but I always say too that don't ever read to remember, do not read to remember, don't worry about remembering it.
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  Only read to understand.
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  It's a knowledge, knowledge, you know.
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  Read to understand.
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  Once those connections are made, you've got it.
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  That the understanding is made, and you can always go back and find it.
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  Finding the information is not hard.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  So I I want to make another point or two with you before we're totally uh uh used up all of real estate of time here.
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  And you know, we'll be back together again.
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  You I hope so.
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  This is what yeah, this we definitely will.
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  There's no doubt about it here.
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  All right.
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  So um you go on to say here, uh this was in uh chapter 17, the image of God.
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  We are made in the image of God and are given the opportunity to act uh that are freely and participating creation as the only creatures that join the material and immaterial portions of creation.
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  We have the ability to apply our will and our intellect and our intentions and thoughts, and even all of our human actions are recorded in that electromagnetic material being emitted from the blazars, right?
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  Explain that, please.
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  Well, I got pretty philosophical there, and I had written something that um a while ago, and and I gave it to Ali and he added it.
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  And and I like, I mean, I I want to share this, and I also explain how I think that I also explain that I believe that the mathematically uh and the picture of the Fabianci spiral is also uh goes hand in hand with the harmonic overtone series.
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  Um, and that's in there too.
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  But uh, I I do a little philosophical speculation, and I I find it fascinating, and I wanted people to know that there are pl uh uh um quasars, which are giant uh black holes or uh, you know, their galactic nuclear uh nuclei, active galactic nuclei that are pulling in uh the matter from the surrounding galaxy, spinning it super fast, almost at the speed of light, in in imaginably powerful gravity and unimaginable against that as centrifugal force.
• 1:32:11
  I read that by the way, and I I I I gotta jump in.
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  I I love this book.
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  Your comments too.
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  You get so scientific in there.
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  I mean, this is not a book about any one thing, that's about a whole lot of things, and you get so scientific within and it and I love that about the universe and uh yeah, creation these things, these things are then it sprays at the butt what I what I what I uh what I speculate is that under these very basic forces of these mag unbelievably powerful magnetic fields, unbelievable friction, absolute gravity and absolute angular momentum or centrifugal force that oppose each other.
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  One's trying desperately to get away, the others desperately trying to pull it away.
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  It's all rubbed and smashed, and it breaks it down to the most it breaks down the atoms down to their subatomic particles, which is basically I'll call it primary matter for lack of a better term, and it's actually sprays that out, comes out of both sides.
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  You can look it up on YouTube, and the these the ones that are those are quasars, the ones that actually point directly at Earth are called blazars because they're the brightest objects in the sky.
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  I remember I remember reading that in the book.
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  And they're pointed not only are they pointed at us.
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  Yeah, last time I knew the Fermi telescope when they first started looking, they had found over 3,000 of these that are we're looking right down the barrel at it, and it's tracking us.
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  For instance, we're still looking at the one that we first discovered back.
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  Oh, I don't know what is it in the book 50 or 60, 70 years ago.
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  Okay, and this is a very tight beam, it's not a big beam.
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  Yeah, it's and it's it's it's the full electromagnetic spectrum of matter from cosmic rays to gamma rays.
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  Well, we got to come back at a future time to talk more about the blazars because I found that fascinating.
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  Reading that piece of the book.
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  The universe is actively participating in uh in earth, yeah.
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  Right, right, right.
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  That's just that's what I thought was incredible.
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  You talked then about the devil's mission, and the devil's mission uh is to destroy that creature to undo Adam and Eve permanently.
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  He's trying to do it by distracting us from the analog reality of God's creation to pull us into his digital uh deception.
• 1:34:25
  Yeah, uh, the devil has pulled a lot of people into the virtual void already.
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  Boy, isn't that the truth?
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  Yeah, yeah, it's it's distracting us, it's distracting us from relationships with each other.
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  People are using it to replace uh even population with uh now we've got China coming out with a bot that can actually have a womb.
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  A bot who has a womb.
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  Yep.
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  How does that work?
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  How does that work?
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  You copulate you have sex with the robot and the robot with an egg of the egg has to be planted, a human egg has to be planted.
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  It's kind of a it's kind of a um it's kind of like artificial insemination with a robot.
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  This is sick, it's sick.
• 1:35:07
  Absolutely say, doesn't this this conversation of China that's and we didn't have a chance to do it in the geopolitical sense, but you say some things about that too.
• 1:35:15
  Yeah, uh, that's scary, scary as hell, isn't it?
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  Well, their morality is is one of true paganism, it's pagan morality.
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  And what people have to understand is when the apostles went out after the Pentecost, yeah.
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  Um, and it really changed them.
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  The Pentecost really changed them and inspired them, yeah, and uh infused them with knowledge, they were real powers.
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  So they went out into the Roman, what have been conquered in the Roman uh empire, which is the known world practically at the time, and they drove out paganism and they drove out the demons, okay.
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  They drove out the demons and made way for Christianity, and Christianity thrived in Christianity raised humanity to new heights and transcended, and now we're dealing with them in today's world, and look at they're coming back to the vengeance to the direct proportion that Christianity is is pushed back and and truncated and neutralized, and one place at a time defeated and I'm not sure it was so good in the 70s for Nixon to open back that to relationship or trade in a way that they did, but anyways, too late to put that back in the bottle as well.
• 1:36:19
  Well, you know what was really bad is when Bill Clinton sold him those supercomputers in the night in the 90s that he we wouldn't even sell to Britain or Paul.
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  We are our own enemy, you know that.
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  Yeah, we are we're we're so silly and and ridiculous for the things we do as a country.
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  It makes me sick, really.
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  Absolutely.
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  This this Judeo Christian nation and all that it stands for, and the and the and and in God's creation of the universe, this beautiful we we sit on this blue marble in the universe of universes.
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  Uh, and um, really, it's incredible, really.
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  Your conclusion, by the way, in here is to regain your liberty and sovereignty to pursue the highest good without the directives and dictates of dominated machines, artificial intelligence, and poisonous ideology.
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  Yeah, these lines should now be clear, and the side you choose will define you as a person here and now and for eternity.
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  That is a great conclusion, by the way.
• 1:37:13
  Uh it's remarkable.
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  Uh you know, I obvious really my goal was to, you know, there's a lot about the book itself, but I I wanted to weave it into current day as best we could, and to me, the fight is good and evil.
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  That that is the fight to catch it.
• 1:37:30
  Yeah, and and and the pushback on the machine, which I know you're steadfast on, and the fact that we've learned so much about you and the fact that you had all this knowledge, and you didn't have to rely on specifically the machine.
• 1:37:42
  Never, I never use AI, I never use chat.
• 1:37:44
  I will never use AI.
• 1:37:46
  You came back, yeah.
• 1:37:47
  See, I'm not a big uh uh some of the my team loves it, they use it a lot.
• 1:37:51
  I'm not a big AI guy either.
• 1:37:53
  I have a I just I don't know, there's something uncomfortable about it, uncomfortable about it to me.
• 1:37:57
  Um, and I know everybody loves it, I get it, and I have people on the team who love it, and I get it, and they're doing the great this and the that and you know, not I'm not one to tell people, but for me personally, uh it doesn't ri enrich my life in any way, by the way.
• 1:38:10
  You know, it doesn't, and it would and it can't, yeah.
• 1:38:13
  It can't it can't machines never enrich their life.
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  I don't care if it's a yeah, three million dollar car or a 26 million dollar mansion in Martha's Vineyard, it it it never enriches our life.
• 1:38:25
  So it's funny how we have that connection, Paul.
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  I did and and by the way, I did not know that coming into today.
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  I don't imagine you knew it either, did you?
• 1:38:33
  No, no, I I didn't know that I didn't know that that connection would be on that level with you when it comes to the machine, and we talk about our faith and the fight of good and evil.
• 1:38:43
  That's a pretty massive connection, brother.
• 1:38:45
  Well, it's the only one that's really important.
• 1:38:46
  Everything else can go by the wayside, but you know, we can we can disagree on or have different opinions on different things depending on our our value system and our and our knowledge on the subject matter.
• 1:38:58
  But ultimately, uh the spiritual con the spiritual conquest of mankind by God's Christ's enemy, Satan, um, has been going on now since Adam and Eve.
• 1:39:10
  That's right.
• 1:39:10
  That's right, and it's a very real reality.
• 1:39:12
  Anybody thinks oh, that's just a fairy tale.
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  Well, I've got news for you.
• 1:39:15
  All of these great minds that brought you where you think you're so privileged, and so like Francis Bacon and Descartes and all these guys, they were firm believers in the reality of Adam and Eve.
• 1:39:27
  And in fact, in the last paragraph or so of the Bacon's novels organum, where he lays out the new scientific method that everybody lives by now.
• 1:39:35
  He actually claims that by these new methods we can actually undo or mitigate the consequences of the fall.
• 1:39:42
  Well, okay, all right.
• 1:39:43
  Well, mitigate the consequences of the fall.
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  I like that a lot, by the way.
• 1:39:46
  That's a quote there for sure.
• 1:39:48
  Well, that's what he that's what he said we could do.
• 1:39:49
  He said basically we can make nature give us what we want.
• 1:39:52
  I love it.
• 1:39:53
  Yeah, I don't that's evil.
• 1:39:56
  No, no, no, yeah, but no, and the flip side of that and the flip side, yeah, right.
• 1:40:00
  Yeah.
• 1:40:00
  Yeah.
• 1:40:01
  Rather rather than rather than taking the medicine that that gives us take back.
• 1:40:07
  We're gonna wring it out.
• 1:40:09
  We're gonna push back.
• 1:40:10
  Yeah.
• 1:40:10
  Yeah, for sure.
• 1:40:11
  Um, you know, uh, it is uh very interesting.
• 1:40:14
  Um, and um this fight will always continue on in some way, and and I think about how do we reach more people with this overarching message.
• 1:40:24
  You know, you may want to consider a uh you may want to consider uh moving forward, I don't know, and you may have considered this already, but a condensed version of the lessons from this book, a pocketbook.
• 1:40:34
  I I've been asked that several times.
• 1:40:36
  Yeah, I've also been asked, you need to do an audio book.
• 1:40:39
  I'm like, well, you know, I well, I don't know about an audio book, that's digital again, so maybe not.
• 1:40:44
  Well, I would read it.
• 1:40:45
  They're saying, oh, you have to read it, you have to read it.
• 1:40:47
  Yeah, well, you can read it, but I mean, it's still you gotta get it into a machine to have it read read, but that's beside the point.
• 1:40:52
  But I do think a um a condensed uh pocketbook of these uh your your your big lessons, your big lessons coming out of there are very exactly what I've been asked before by young men.
• 1:41:03
  Yeah, no, it's a good thing because you're you're gonna simplify them.
• 1:41:06
  I don't want to use the words dumb and down, that's not the right words, but you need to simplify the message in many ways that people can grab those little nuggets of opportunity, Paul.
• 1:41:16
  Absolutely, and they're and they're and they're immediate.
• 1:41:20
  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:41:21
  Exactly.
• 1:41:21
  There's clarity there, you understand?
• 1:41:23
  Clarity.
• 1:41:24
  And you want to have the clarity to remind people of that.
• 1:41:26
  I mean, it's not you're not a stick in the mud, you're actually a pretty exciting guy.
• 1:41:31
  You see, and some people might think, well, this guy's this, or this, and this, and it's that, but no, I mean, so but there's a lesson here with all this, and to sum this whole thing up, and we'll do it again, Paul.
• 1:41:41
  I promise, as we get this up.
• 1:41:43
  This has been tremendous.
• 1:41:44
  I'm very honored to have you here today with me as we get this whole thing going here.
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  But you say this great thing.
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  I I captured these last few words here.
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  Um, I believe these are the words.
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  Um, okay, here we go.
• 1:41:57
  Uh and listen to this here as a cap as a capsule.
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  You I'm talking to viewers out there and listeners out there, that's who I'm talking to here.
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  Whether this generation has the courage and the heroic fortitude to resist this enemy, will decide the future of humanity.
• 1:42:20
  Just let that resonate in your soul.
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  Don't say anything more, and leave that right there.
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  And on that note, friends, it's time to get involved and get loud, America.