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Mega Edition: Idaho Reinstates The Firing Squad In The Wake Of The Murders In Moscow (8/19/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Recently,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about a bill that was proposed by
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Speaker 1: a lawmaker in Idaho that would bring back death by
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Speaker 1: firing squad. Well, that bill has passed both the House
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Speaker 1: and the Senate of Idaho and now has moved on
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Speaker 1: to the Governor's desk where Governor Brad Little is expected
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Speaker 1: to sign this into law. And the reason that they're
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Speaker 1: even talking about this is the fact that they can't
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Speaker 1: get the chemicals that they need to perform the death
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Speaker 1: sentences by lethal injection, so the state has to look
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Speaker 1: for other remedies to carry out these sentences. Now, I've
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Speaker 1: said it a million times. I'm not a huge fan
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Speaker 1: of the death penalty, but if a state decides that
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Speaker 1: that's the best course for that state, I really don't
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Speaker 1: have much to say about it. It's kind of like
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Speaker 1: when a state wants to legalize marijuana. I think that
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Speaker 1: the people of that state should make that decision. So
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Speaker 1: if the people of Idaho think that the death penalty
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Speaker 1: is right for their state, As a resident of Nevada,
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Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't want Idaho poking around and talking about
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Speaker 1: what the state law should be here. So I try
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Speaker 1: to respect, you know, the decisions that are made by
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Speaker 1: the citizens of the state, even when I don't agree
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Speaker 1: with those decisions. And obviously the death penalty I don't
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Speaker 1: think is the right way to go ninety percent of
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Speaker 1: the time.
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Speaker 2: But there are those cases where we have people who
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Speaker 2: are just.
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Speaker 1: Degenerate, right, completely wired wrong, who have no business being
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Speaker 1: around the rest of us. And I would say that
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Speaker 1: if Brian Coberger is the man that they're telling us
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Speaker 1: he is, then he certainly fits the bill. Today we
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Speaker 1: have an article from Fox News and the headline of
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Speaker 1: this article is Idaho murders. State Senate passes bill to
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Speaker 1: reinstate execution by firing squad. Brian Cohberger could face death
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Speaker 1: penalty if convicted of killing four University of Idaho students.
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Speaker 1: This article was authored by Michael Ruiz. Now, just for
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Speaker 1: a little context, Lorie Valo, the lady who allegedly killed
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Speaker 1: her son and her daughter with her husband, well, it
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Speaker 1: was just decided in Idaho that she won't be facing
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Speaker 1: the death penalty. And I would think that if somebody
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Speaker 1: was going to face the death penalty, killing your own
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Speaker 1: children would probably put you to the top of the list.
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Speaker 1: But she is not going to face the death penalty
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Speaker 1: here in Idaho, So could that possibly signal what Brian
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Speaker 1: Coberger's fate might be as well? Or do you think
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Speaker 1: that the prosecutors are going to go for the gusto
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Speaker 1: here and try and get the death penalty dropped on
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger. The signals all are pointing towards this being
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Speaker 1: a death penalty case, but that doesn't mean it's going
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Speaker 1: to actually come to fruition. So we'll have to see.
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Speaker 1: But with Lori Valo not facing the death penalty here,
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Speaker 1: I find it pretty interesting. The Idaho Senate on Monday
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Speaker 1: voted twenty four to eleven to pass the bill aimed
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Speaker 1: at reviving the firing squad as a death penalty option
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Speaker 1: amid a supply shortage of lethal injection drugs. House Bill
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Speaker 1: one eighty six, which passed the state House of Representatives
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Speaker 1: with a fifty to fifteen to five vote earlier this month,
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Speaker 1: gives authorities the option to order death by firing squad
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Speaker 1: if lethal injection drugs are unavailable within five days of
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Speaker 1: the issuance of a death warrant. And look again, I'm
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Speaker 1: not a huge fan, right, but if the state has
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Speaker 1: decided that the death penalty is something that they want
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Speaker 1: to pursue, and the voters, the citizens of Idaho, have
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Speaker 1: given the green light for that. Then there has to
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Speaker 1: be a method for the state to go about their business.
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Speaker 1: And if they can't get the proper medicine, the proper
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Speaker 1: drug hugs for lethal injection, what are they supposed to do.
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Speaker 1: They have to carry out the sentence. So if there's
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Speaker 1: no drugs available, you have to find other means to
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Speaker 1: do so. And in Idaho, they've decided that the most
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Speaker 1: cost effective way to go about it is the firing squad.
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Speaker 1: The bill will go to Idaho Governor Brad Little's desk
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Speaker 1: next His office did not immediately respond to a request
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Speaker 1: for comment on Tuesday morning. H one eighty six has
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Speaker 1: now passed the Idaho Senate end House with a veto
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Speaker 1: proof majority. The bill's House sponsor, Representative Bruce Skagg, a
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Speaker 1: Republican from Nampa, told Fox News Digital on Tuesday, upon
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Speaker 1: signature of the governor, the state may now more likely
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Speaker 1: carry out justice as determined by our judicial system against
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Speaker 1: those who have committed first degree murder. This is an
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Speaker 1: important bill for victims, their families, and the rule of law.
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Speaker 2: Well I don't know.
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Speaker 1: About all of that, because death penalty is on the
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Speaker 1: books in a lot of places, and it really doesn't
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Speaker 1: act as a deterrent, does it. Has it stopped people
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Speaker 1: from becoming murderers? Has it stopped people from opening fire
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Speaker 1: and schools or anything like that. Hell no, it hasn't.
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Speaker 1: So having the death penalty on the books is all
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Speaker 1: fine and well if that's what the voters want, but
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Speaker 1: let's not act like it's this great deterrent, because it's
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Speaker 1: certainly not. That. The bill is not without critics, even
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Speaker 1: on the GOP side of the aisle. Senator Dan Foreman,
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Speaker 1: Republican from Moscow, said that the people assigned to the
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Speaker 1: firing squad, the witnesses, and the cleanup crew, are all
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Speaker 1: at risk of becoming traumatized by the experience. According to
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Speaker 1: the Associated Press, well, if you're going to have the
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Speaker 1: firing squad, what you should do is offer one of
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Speaker 1: the positions inside of that firing squad to one of
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Speaker 1: the family members of the murdered. I highly doubt anyone's dad, uncle,
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Speaker 1: brother is going to have any qualms at all putting
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Speaker 1: a bullet into some scumbag who killed their loved one,
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Speaker 1: and really what's the difference from watching somebody die of
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Speaker 1: lethal injection or watching a bullet end it quickly? And perhaps,
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Speaker 1: when all is said and done, the firing squad might
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Speaker 1: even be more humane and Dwena Elcox, a Boise based
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Speaker 1: defense attorney, called the concept of using a firing squad atrocious.
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Speaker 1: Execution by way of firing squad is antiquated and bottom
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Speaker 1: line inhumane. She told Fox News Digital on Tuesday. It
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Speaker 1: is deeply concerning that Idaho is reverting to such barbaric methods,
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Speaker 1: But getting some kind of weird ass cocktail shot into
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Speaker 1: your arm and squirming around for thirty five minutes is
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Speaker 1: humane breaking news. The death penalty in general is not humane.
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Speaker 1: Four other states have an option for the firing squad,
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Speaker 1: although its use is extremely rare, according to the Death
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Speaker 1: Penalty Information Center, those states are Mississippi, Oklahoma, Utah, and
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Speaker 1: South Carolina, and together they have killed three condemned prisoners
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Speaker 1: by a firing squad since nineteen seventy six. Utah brought
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Speaker 1: back firing squads in twenty fifteen due to its own
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Speaker 1: struggles with lethal injections. The practice was legal in Idaho
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Speaker 1: until two thousand and nine, but had never been used
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Speaker 1: by the time lawmakers got rid of it, so they
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Speaker 1: had it on the books before they got rid of
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Speaker 1: the law, and now they're reinstituting it because of the
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Speaker 1: issues of getting the chemicals to carry out these death sentences.
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Speaker 1: Idaho currently has eight death row inmates, and prosecutors have
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Speaker 1: not yet ruled out seeking the death penalty in a
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Speaker 1: high profile quadruple murder case that left four University of
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Speaker 1: Idaho's students dead in November. And honestly, all signs are
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Speaker 1: pointing to this being a death penalty case, especially considering
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Speaker 1: that Ann Taylor has brought on a co council who
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Speaker 1: is capable of dealing with capital punishment cases. You add
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Speaker 1: that up with the demand of the people, and it's
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Speaker 1: certainly looking like this is going to end up being
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Speaker 1: a capital punishment sort of situation. However, we don't know
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Speaker 1: that for sure. We have to wait to see what
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Speaker 1: the state of Idaho decides to do. Skogg, who is
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Speaker 1: also a University of Idaho alumnus, introduced the bill in
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Speaker 1: late February, weeks after police arrested a suspect. Brian Coberger
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Speaker 1: is being held in the Layta County Jail in Moscow,
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Speaker 1: on four charges of first degree murder and another of
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Speaker 1: felony Burglary. Coburger is accused of stalking and off camp
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Speaker 1: Is rental home at least twelve times before allegedly sneaking
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Speaker 1: in around four am on a Saturday, after the victims
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Speaker 1: had spent the night out partying with friends, then ambushing
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Speaker 1: them with a large knife around nine am, hours after
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Speaker 1: the murders, but before surviving roommates won cup and called
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Speaker 1: for help. Police say he drove by one last time.
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Speaker 1: Imagine being a sick bastard like that. Oh, let me
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Speaker 1: go back, let me admire my work real quick. Let's
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Speaker 1: see what the scene looks like. And then this numb
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Speaker 1: nuts shows up and there's nothing going on. He must
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Speaker 1: have been panicked as hell, right, what happened? I thought
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Speaker 1: that I killed people in there last night? Where's the
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Speaker 1: crime scene? Where are the police? And he saw none
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Speaker 1: of that? So can you imagine what was going through
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Speaker 1: this Goofball's mind? Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and
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Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin all suffered multiple stab wounds. According to the
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Speaker 1: Leta County Coroner Kathy Mabit, some of them may have
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Speaker 1: been sleeping at the start of the attack. Police found
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Speaker 1: a k bar knife sheath next to Mogen's body that
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Speaker 1: they say had Coburger's DNA on it. His next core
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Speaker 1: date was scheduled for June twenty sixth, when he is
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Speaker 1: expected to challenge the evidence used to arrest him. He
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Speaker 1: has not yet entered a plea, so it's going to
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Speaker 1: be real interesting to see which way the state goes
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Speaker 1: as far as imposing the death penalty or not. And
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Speaker 1: my guess is they're gonna go after it, and they're
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Speaker 1: gonna make this a capital punishment case. And even though
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Speaker 1: nobody has really been put to death and Idaho in
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Speaker 1: a while, this might be one of those cases with
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Speaker 1: such a high demand if he's found guilty that the
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Speaker 1: state goes ahead and executes him. But that's a long
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Speaker 1: ways off, and we don't even know if we'll get
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Speaker 1: to that point yet as far as it being a
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Speaker 1: capital murder case. So we'll continue to plod on and
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Speaker 1: we'll continue to add these episodes to the catalog. All right, folks,
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Speaker 1: the description box. What's Up everyone and welcome back to
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Speaker 1: the program. We recently learned that in Idaho, the state
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Speaker 1: Congress and the State Senate both okay to bill that
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Speaker 1: would have the death penalty be carried out via firing
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Speaker 1: squad if the chemicals for lethal injection weren't available, And
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Speaker 1: it went through both the House and the Senate without
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Speaker 1: a hiccup, and it ended up on the governor's desk. Well,
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Speaker 1: the governor he signed that bill. So now the death
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Speaker 1: penalty in Idaho can be carried out via firing squad
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Speaker 1: and that gives the state the ability to go ahead
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Speaker 1: with the sentence even if they can't get the chemicals
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Speaker 1: or the doctors to get involved and help them with
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Speaker 1: the state sponsored executions. So what this does is it
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Speaker 1: cuts out the middleman and provides the state with the
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Speaker 1: flexibility to carry out the punishment that the people of
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Speaker 1: the state of Idaho say should be carried out. And
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Speaker 1: remember it's the people of Idaho who say that the
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Speaker 1: death penalty should be on the books. So with that
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Speaker 1: being the case, then the state has to have a
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Speaker 1: way to carry out that sort of sentence. And now
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Speaker 1: with the govern and signing this into law, they have
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Speaker 1: that ability. So first we're going to take a look
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Speaker 1: at this article relatively short from Fox News, and then
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Speaker 1: we have another article that we're going to dive into
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Speaker 1: that gives us a little more insight into what's going
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Speaker 1: on in the lockup where Brian Coolberger currently is. So
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Speaker 1: first things first, let's take a look at this Fox
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Speaker 1: News article that was authored by Timothy HJ. Norosi headline,
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Speaker 1: Idaho governor signs law allowing firing squad executions. Idaho becomes
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Speaker 1: the fifth state to legalize firing squad executions if lethal
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Speaker 1: injection drugs are unavailable. The governor of Idaho has signed
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Speaker 1: into law a bill legalizing the use of a firing
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Speaker 1: squad instead executions. Governor Brad Little signed the bill after
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Speaker 1: it was passed on March twentieth by a veto proof
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Speaker 1: majority of the Idaho legislature. So that means even if
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Speaker 1: Governor Little didn't know agree with the bill, he had
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Speaker 1: to sign it anyway. It's veto proof, so no matter
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Speaker 1: what he did, this bill was going to become law.
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Speaker 1: Under the new law, firing squads will not be the
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Speaker 1: first option and will only be utilized for executions when
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Speaker 1: the drugs necessary for a lethal injection are unavailable. Well,
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Speaker 1: what if the person requests dying by the firing squad instead,
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Speaker 1: is that going to be a provision that's added or
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Speaker 1: something that's allowed. Idaho is the fifth state in the
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Speaker 1: country to legalize the practice, following Utah, Oklahoma, South Carolina,
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Speaker 1: and Mississippi. I'm not shocked by any of those states,
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Speaker 1: by the way. All of those states are f around
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Speaker 1: and find out kinds of states, and those are the
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Speaker 1: sort of states where you certainly don't want to go
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Speaker 1: and commit any crimes. That's for damn sure. The newly
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Speaker 1: legalized execution method could impact the state's eight current death
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Speaker 1: row inmates and possibly the future of student stabbing suspect
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger. He could face the death penal if convicted
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Speaker 1: of any of four first degree murder charges he faces
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Speaker 1: in the November deaths of Madison Mogan, Klee Gonsalvez, Ethan Chapin,
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Speaker 1: and Xana Kernodle. And if he gets found guilty on one,
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Speaker 1: you would think he's getting found guilty on all of them.
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Speaker 2: So that would.
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Speaker 1: Certainly in my mind anyway, if the death penalty is
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Speaker 1: on the books, that would qualify as a case that
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Speaker 1: would be a death penalty case. But we just saw
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Speaker 1: the same thing almost with Lori Valo. You would think
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Speaker 1: that Lori Valo's case would certainly be the death penalty,
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Speaker 1: but they decided to go a different direction up there,
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Speaker 1: and I can't say I agree with it. Once again,
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Speaker 1: it comes down to what the state law says. If
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Speaker 1: the state has the death penalty on the books, and
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Speaker 1: you're a dumbass and you want to go and commit
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Speaker 1: a murder in that state, well don't come crying to
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Speaker 1: me when the penalty is you paying the ultimate price.
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Speaker 1: You're the one who committed the crime. You're the one
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Speaker 1: who murdered somebody, So now you have to pay the
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Speaker 1: price that the people of the state where the crime
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Speaker 1: was committed say is justified. And if that means you're
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Speaker 1: getting a lethal injection or you're getting lined up on
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Speaker 1: a wall and shot with a gun, then so be it.
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Speaker 1: There are way too many violent scumbags running around this
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Speaker 1: planet for my liking anyway. The firing squad is the quickest, surest,
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Speaker 1: and most era free and only technique for which we
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Speaker 1: have skilled in trained professionals, says Fordham Law School professor
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Speaker 1: Deborah Deno, a leading expert on the death penalty in
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Speaker 1: the US, and I don't think she's wrong. If the
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Speaker 1: choice for me was to get that cocktail that seems
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Speaker 1: to fail all the time, or get lined up and
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Speaker 1: shot by a marksman, I'm gonna take the marksmen. They're
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Speaker 1: not going to miss, and all it takes is one bullet. Deno,
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Speaker 1: who has research methods of execution for the past three decades,
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Speaker 1: has written several articles cited by the Supreme Court on
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Speaker 1: the topic, according to her university biography. In addition to
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Speaker 1: a persistent scarcity of approved lethal injection drugs, the procedure
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Speaker 1: is difficult for a number of reasons. Condemned inmates have
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Speaker 1: vein damage due to prolonged drug use, some of them
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Speaker 1: are too obese, and others have too much muscle, she said.
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Speaker 1: Others are so nervous that their veins contract. Look none
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Speaker 1: of that would happen with the volcano. None of that
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Speaker 1: at all. Line them up Sparta kicks. In some gruesome cases,
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Speaker 1: executioners are forced to cut into the inmates' neck or
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Speaker 1: groin to find a place to insert the needle. At times,
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Speaker 1: condemned inmates have even assisted prison personnel in inserting it themselves,
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Speaker 1: and if that's not barbaric. I don't know what is,
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Speaker 1: so I'll pass on the whole entire lethal injection. And
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Speaker 1: it would certainly seem to me that the firing squad
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Speaker 1: is a much more humane way to go. Now, is
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Speaker 1: Idaho going to enact it and use it ever? Who knows,
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Speaker 1: but it being on the books that at least gives
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Speaker 1: the flexibility to the politicians and the elected officials to
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Speaker 1: carry out the justice that the people of Idaho say
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Speaker 1: needs to be carried out. All right, onto our next article.
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Speaker 1: The next article is from Newsweek and the headline is
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger is drastic change behind bars. This article was
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Speaker 1: authored by Kalita Rockman. Brian Coohberger, the suspect and the
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Speaker 1: murders of four University of Idaho students, has reportedly lost
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Speaker 1: a significant amount of weight while in jail. Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: can't go to the mad Greek and get lunch anymore.
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Speaker 1: That's going to cut into the calories. Coburger, twenty eight,
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Speaker 1: is accused of breaking into a rental home in Moscow, Idaho,
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Speaker 1: in the early hours of November thirteenth, and fatally stabbing
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Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin. At
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Speaker 1: the time of the killings, he was a PhD student
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Speaker 1: at Washington State University in nearby Pullman. He has been
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Speaker 1: held in the tiny Leta County Jail since early January
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Speaker 1: after being extradited to Idaho followed his arrest in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: He has not yet entered a plea to four counts
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Speaker 1: of first degree murder and one count of felony burglary,
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Speaker 1: but a lawyer who previously represented him in Pennsylvania said
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Speaker 1: he was eager to be exonerated. According to News Nations
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Speaker 1: Ashley Banfield jail sources, a coburger has shed a lot
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Speaker 1: of weight in the past three or so months. Newsweek
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Speaker 1: has not been able to independently verify the reports, and
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Speaker 1: unless you have a source inside the jail, an inmate,
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Speaker 1: it's going to be very hard to have anyone confirm
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Speaker 1: anything for you because of the non dissemination order and
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Speaker 1: with the large scope of the gag order that we
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Speaker 1: see here, it's very restrictive. So the best bet for
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Speaker 1: a source as far as what's going on in the
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Speaker 1: jail is obviously another inmate. We see that a lot
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Speaker 1: of times. Actually in these lockups. We saw it with
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, where after his death there were several inmates
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Speaker 1: that spend time with them, namely Bill Mercy, who had
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Speaker 1: all kinds of stories to talk about. And I'm sure
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Speaker 1: we'll see the same thing with Brian Coohberger. Sources to
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Speaker 1: say Coburger has been taking off significant amount of weight,
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Speaker 1: Banfield said on her show. She suggested that could be
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Speaker 1: because Coburger's vegan diet is not going well, because he
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Speaker 1: is not a fan of the food he has served,
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Speaker 1: or because he wants to lose weight. I don't know
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Speaker 1: about the hole he wants to lose weight, but my
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Speaker 1: guess is that it has to do with the vegan diet.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're not going, you know, head over heels
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Speaker 1: to try and get Brian Kohberger top notch vegan food,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure nobody's door dashing him any mad Greek.
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Speaker 1: So the guy's probably picking and choosing what he's eating.
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Speaker 1: And when you have somebody with a restrictive diet like
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Speaker 1: Brian Coohberger, they'd rather waste a way than eat some
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Speaker 1: of this other food. Banfield also reported that a witness
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Speaker 1: says Coburger often walks around smiling like he has not
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Speaker 1: a care in the world and is getting a lot
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Speaker 1: of sleep. Imagine rolling around being accused of what he's
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Speaker 1: been accused of and all of the evidence that's been
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Speaker 1: amassed against you and acting like you don't have a
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Speaker 1: care in the world. Dude is either seriously grandstanding or
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Speaker 1: his narcissism truly has him believing that he's going to
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Speaker 1: get away with this. And if I had to pick,
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Speaker 1: I would have to go with option number two. Coburger
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Speaker 1: has been attending Mass on Sundays. He's also found God
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Speaker 1: or Jesus or I don't know someone, because he yet
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Speaker 1: again went to Mass yesterday. Banfield said, could that be
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Speaker 1: him just wanting to get out of the room, out
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Speaker 1: of the cell. We know that he's held in that
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Speaker 1: cell pretty much all the time, so he could be
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Speaker 1: using this as a way to break up his mundane existence.
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Speaker 1: As previously reported, Coburger is permitted to attend church services
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Speaker 1: in a multi purpose room at the Tiny Jail. He
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Speaker 1: is allowed to be in the room along with other inmates,
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Speaker 1: but is not allowed to interact with them. Coburger has
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Speaker 1: kept isolated from other inmates in his own cell, where
20:59
Speaker 1: he has access to his own television. That television is
21:02
Speaker 1: positioned just outside the bars of his cell. According to Banfield,
21:07
Speaker 1: Colberger also has access to a tablet that has older
21:11
Speaker 1: movies that he can watch if he pays five cents
21:13
Speaker 1: per minute. She said, so it's like renting a pay
21:17
Speaker 1: per view at home, almost right, What is it a
21:19
Speaker 1: four ninety nine on DirecTV or some shit like that.
21:22
Speaker 1: At five cents a minute ninety minutes, you're looking at
21:25
Speaker 1: four dollars and fifty cents to watch a movie.
21:29
Speaker 2: And as of right now, I don't.
21:30
Speaker 1: Even have a problem with Coburger having access to all
21:33
Speaker 1: of this stuff because he hasn't been found guilty of
21:35
Speaker 1: anything yet. If he's found guilty, I don't think he
21:38
Speaker 1: should have access to any of this. He should be
21:41
Speaker 1: dropped in a hole to rot, honestly. Inmates can also
21:44
Speaker 1: pay to use tablets to make video calls or access email.
21:48
Speaker 1: Former agent Jennifer Kofendaffer told Newsweek that is helpful for
21:53
Speaker 1: those working at the facility because it likely means fewer
21:56
Speaker 1: visitations and the risks associated with them. She said, when
22:00
Speaker 1: you have people coming in and out to visit, you
22:02
Speaker 1: risk the worry of contraband coming in you risk the
22:05
Speaker 1: worry of contraband going out, She said, you also risk fights.
22:10
Speaker 1: I've been in these visitation rooms and fights break out,
22:13
Speaker 1: screaming matches, physical altercations. You have to have multiple staff
22:17
Speaker 1: watching these visitations in many situations, so depending on their setup,
22:22
Speaker 1: it can be a good situation to do it remotely. Well,
22:26
Speaker 1: I actually have experience with this, and I never saw
22:28
Speaker 1: anything like that, never once, and I went to visit
22:31
Speaker 1: my loved one multiple times, so I never saw anything
22:35
Speaker 1: like that. Now I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but personally,
22:38
Speaker 1: I never saw anything like that, and never did any
22:41
Speaker 1: of my family or friends report ever seeing anything like
22:45
Speaker 1: that when they visited either. So while I'm sure it happens,
22:49
Speaker 1: I don't think it's something that happens all the time.
22:52
Speaker 1: When people are having visitation, especially those inmates, that's a
22:56
Speaker 1: big reward for them. They don't get to see their
22:58
Speaker 1: people that much, right, so when they're in that visitation room,
23:02
Speaker 1: most of them, the vast majority, i'd say, are on
23:04
Speaker 1: their best behavior. Coberger's preliminary hearing is scheduled to begin
23:10
Speaker 1: on June twenty sixth, so a little bit of insight
23:14
Speaker 1: into Brian Colberger's time behind bars in Leatai County, and
23:18
Speaker 1: nothing seems to be that out of the ordinary. Seems
23:21
Speaker 1: to be your regular old run of the mill, stay
23:23
Speaker 1: in the lock up while you await trial. And I
23:26
Speaker 1: hope he enjoys it, because if he is convicted, the
23:30
Speaker 1: stage that comes next is not gonna be as much fun.
23:33
Speaker 1: And if he thinks the food's bad, now wait until
23:36
Speaker 1: he gets into the chow hal at the state penn
23:39
Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.
23:41
Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
23:44
Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up everyone, and
23:48
Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. I don't think it's a
23:51
Speaker 1: secret at this point that the Gonsalvas family is looking
23:55
Speaker 1: for Brian Coolberger to get the death penalty. And now
23:59
Speaker 1: not only are they looking for him to get the
24:01
Speaker 1: death penalty, well, they want him to get the death
24:03
Speaker 1: penalty by the firing squad. And can you blame them
24:07
Speaker 1: if this guy is convicted? Can you blame Steve Gonsalves
24:11
Speaker 1: and the Gonsalvest family if they want Brian Colberger to
24:15
Speaker 1: be put to death? I certainly can't. If it was
24:18
Speaker 1: my daughter, forget it. I can't even imagine what these
24:21
Speaker 1: folks are going through. So yeah, I'd want the most
24:24
Speaker 1: harsh penalty on the books for my daughter's killer as well,
24:29
Speaker 1: And that's what the Gonsalvest family wants here. They want
24:33
Speaker 1: Brian Cohlberger, if he's found guilty, to face justice by
24:37
Speaker 1: the firing squad. Today we have an article from the
24:40
Speaker 1: US Sun and the headline justice for Kaylee. Family of
24:45
Speaker 1: Idaho murder victim Kaylee Gonsalves want killer Brian Colberger to
24:50
Speaker 1: face a firing squad. This article was authored by Cheyenne
24:55
Speaker 1: or Uberia. After revealing that they want a ledged Idaho
25:00
Speaker 1: student murderer, Brian Koberger to receive the death penalty, the
25:04
Speaker 1: family of Klee Gonsalves shared that they want him to
25:07
Speaker 1: face a firing squad. Coberger was indicted by a grand
25:11
Speaker 1: jury earlier in May and is pleaded not guilty in
25:15
Speaker 1: connection to the November twenty twenty two deaths of Ethan Chapin, Xana, Kernodle,
25:21
Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, and kay Lee. And we also know that
25:24
Speaker 1: the Mogan family they also are looking for the death
25:27
Speaker 1: penalty in this case, as we heard previously. So we
25:30
Speaker 1: know that two families at the very least are looking
25:34
Speaker 1: for the death penalty, and we also know that that
25:36
Speaker 1: goes a long way with prosecutors as well. So it's
25:40
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see what the Kernodle family
25:43
Speaker 1: has to say. And as far as the Chapin family goes, well,
25:46
Speaker 1: I highly doubt that they're going to push one way
25:49
Speaker 1: or the other for the death penalty. They've already said
25:53
Speaker 1: that they're going to focus more on Ethan's memory, and
25:56
Speaker 1: you can't really blame them, right They don't want to
25:58
Speaker 1: keep reliving this, want to be involved. They just want
26:01
Speaker 1: justice to take its course. On a Facebook page dedicated
26:05
Speaker 1: to Kaylee and the Gonsalves family, Christy Gonsalves, Kaylee's mother,
26:09
Speaker 1: shared a post in support of Idaho House Bill one
26:13
Speaker 1: eighty six. According to the post, the bill amen's existing
26:16
Speaker 1: law to provide for execution by firing squad and to
26:21
Speaker 1: provide for certain requirements before an execution, and a lot
26:25
Speaker 1: of that has to do with the fact that they
26:27
Speaker 1: can't get the chemicals. We've talked about this pretty extensively,
26:31
Speaker 1: and some of these states are having a big issue
26:34
Speaker 1: getting the chemicals that are needed to carry out the
26:37
Speaker 1: death sentence by lethal injection. So if they can't carry
26:41
Speaker 1: out a death sentence by lethal injection, they have to
26:45
Speaker 1: have another method available to them to follow through with
26:49
Speaker 1: what the state and the people of Idaho have demanded
26:52
Speaker 1: in restitution for the crimes committed. So what they have
26:55
Speaker 1: done is reinstitute death by firing squad a very cost
27:01
Speaker 1: effective b Well, you're not going to run out of bullets,
27:04
Speaker 1: and see, you don't have to worry about finding people
27:07
Speaker 1: who are willing to be the executioner. Certain guards that
27:10
Speaker 1: work at these facilities they'll be in charge of that.
27:14
Speaker 1: You'll have like twelve people stand there, they'll all take
27:17
Speaker 1: shots at the person, and no one will know who
27:20
Speaker 1: fired the killing blow.
27:21
Speaker 2: Quick and efficient.
27:23
Speaker 1: Again, not a big fan of the death penalty because
27:26
Speaker 1: I don't think the state really should be out here
27:28
Speaker 1: killing citizens. But when you have somebody like Brian Colberger
27:32
Speaker 1: on your hands, if he's convicted with as strong as
27:34
Speaker 1: all the evidence is, I just don't see how you
27:37
Speaker 1: can go any other way. Christy shared the post, featuring
27:41
Speaker 1: photos of two men wearing shirts that read Justice for Kaylee.
27:46
Speaker 1: The bill was signed by Idaho Governor Brad Little in March,
27:50
Speaker 1: adding a firing squad as an alternative method of execution
27:53
Speaker 1: when lethal injection isn't an option. Now, if they can't
27:57
Speaker 1: have either, I suggest the volcano. Man, you want to
28:00
Speaker 1: talk about saving some money, that's a method that will
28:03
Speaker 1: even pay for itself. Right, Strap a GoPro to these dudes,
28:07
Speaker 1: and then let one of the family members of the
28:10
Speaker 1: victims kick them directly into the volcano. But what we
28:13
Speaker 1: do is we charge pay per view right twenty bucks
28:16
Speaker 1: or something like that as a streaming fee, and then
28:19
Speaker 1: all the money goes to the victims. You want to
28:22
Speaker 1: be a disgusting bastard and murder people and hurt people, fine,
28:26
Speaker 1: then I'm willing to use my injustice on you by
28:29
Speaker 1: throwing your ass into a volcano. Idaho has become the
28:33
Speaker 1: fifth state to authorize the execution of an inmate by
28:36
Speaker 1: firing squad. Little wrote in a statement that he supported
28:40
Speaker 1: policies allowing the state to carry out executions throughout his career.
28:45
Speaker 1: The families of the victims deserve justice for their loved ones,
28:48
Speaker 1: and the death penalty is a way to bring them peace,
28:51
Speaker 1: he wrote. Last year, Little signed House Bill six point
28:55
Speaker 1: fifty eight extending protections to suppliers and manufacturers of lethal
29:00
Speaker 1: injection drugs in the state. So what happens is these
29:04
Speaker 1: manufacturers and the people who are providing the expertise to
29:09
Speaker 1: administer the shots, a lot of times they don't want
29:11
Speaker 1: to do it. They take a stand one way or
29:14
Speaker 1: the other. They feel like it's cruel and unusual, whatever
29:17
Speaker 1: it might be. Then it puts the state in a
29:19
Speaker 1: position where they don't have any sort of way to
29:23
Speaker 1: go about handing down these sentences, so they can't carry
29:27
Speaker 1: out the law that the state has handed down to
29:31
Speaker 1: these criminals. And that puts the state in an awkward position.
29:35
Speaker 1: So what they have to do is get creative. And
29:38
Speaker 1: the best way to do that, according to the State
29:40
Speaker 1: of Idaho, and the most cost effective way is to
29:43
Speaker 1: go back to a firing squad. And we heard from
29:46
Speaker 1: that expert on the death penalty who said that the
29:49
Speaker 1: firing squad method is actually humane. And I could see
29:53
Speaker 1: that you got marksmen shooting right, there's not going to
29:56
Speaker 1: be a miss at that range. You have a good marksman,
29:58
Speaker 1: you're going to get hit by one those bullets in
30:01
Speaker 1: a lethal manner. And my guess is with one of
30:03
Speaker 1: the first shots, whereas with the lethal injection who the
30:07
Speaker 1: hell knows how many times have we seen people sit
30:10
Speaker 1: there and writhe around in pain and not die right away?
30:13
Speaker 1: A whole bunch of times. So if I was getting executed,
30:16
Speaker 1: I would probably choose death by firing squad. Seems to
30:20
Speaker 1: me that that's the most efficient way to go For
30:23
Speaker 1: the people on death row, A jury convicted them of
30:26
Speaker 1: their crimes and they were lawfully sentenced to death, wrote Little,
30:30
Speaker 1: It is the responsibility of the state of Idaho to
30:33
Speaker 1: follow the law and ensure that lawful criminal sentences are
30:37
Speaker 1: carried out. And that's really what it comes down to.
30:40
Speaker 1: If the people of Idaho don't want the death penalty
30:42
Speaker 1: on the books, then they should vote for it and
30:45
Speaker 1: get it off the books, get it on the ballot,
30:47
Speaker 1: and get it out of there. But as of now,
30:50
Speaker 1: with the death penalty on the books, the state really
30:53
Speaker 1: had no other option but to follow through and look
30:55
Speaker 1: for a new method plea for justice. Last month, the
31:00
Speaker 1: families of both Kaylee and Madison file notices indicating their
31:04
Speaker 1: support for the death penalty. The two University of Idaho
31:07
Speaker 1: students were lifelong best friends before they were brutally stabbed
31:11
Speaker 1: to death in the off campus home they rented along
31:14
Speaker 1: with Xana, and mister Gonsalvas has been very adamant throughout
31:19
Speaker 1: this whole entire thing that he wants the death penalty,
31:22
Speaker 1: and I only see him beating that drum even harder
31:24
Speaker 1: as the trial approaches, because this is a man who's
31:27
Speaker 1: hell bent on justice. Xana's boyfriend, Ethan, was staying over
31:31
Speaker 1: the night of the murders, and two more roommates survived
31:35
Speaker 1: the shocking crime in Moscow, Idaho. We spoke with the
31:39
Speaker 1: prosecutor on the case, mister Thompson. He's going to meet
31:42
Speaker 1: with the families individually and then make a decision based
31:45
Speaker 1: on that. So the Gonsalvest family obviously supports the death
31:50
Speaker 1: penalty in this case. Shannon Gray, the Gonsalves family attorney,
31:54
Speaker 1: told News Nation, Yeah, again, they've been very adamant about
31:58
Speaker 1: where they stand. They haven't been shot about talking about
32:01
Speaker 1: what they want as punishment if Brian Colberger is convicted here.
32:05
Speaker 1: They want justice for the deaths of their daughter and
32:08
Speaker 1: Maddie and Xana and Ethan.
32:10
Speaker 2: Gray said, it's part of the process.
32:13
Speaker 1: You know. The tort claims noticed that I filed is
32:16
Speaker 1: just standard procedure. They're trying to protect themselves and that
32:20
Speaker 1: way they can have a lawsuit later on down the road,
32:23
Speaker 1: and filing that torte claim gives them that ability, that
32:26
Speaker 1: flexibility later on to revisit the possibility of perhaps filing
32:32
Speaker 1: a lawsuit. And again, I don't know what they would
32:35
Speaker 1: be suing here or who they'd be suing, but I'm
32:38
Speaker 1: not in the back room with them. I don't have
32:40
Speaker 1: all of the facts. So if this is what their
32:42
Speaker 1: legal representation has advised them to do, then that's the
32:46
Speaker 1: advice that they should be following. That's something that has
32:50
Speaker 1: to be filed to protect the interests not only of
32:52
Speaker 1: the families, but the victims and the community. Meanwhile, Gray
32:56
Speaker 1: shared that the families are looking to take legal action
33:00
Speaker 1: against the city of Moscow, Idaho, where the killings took place.
33:04
Speaker 1: Filings dated May third and May eleventh by the Gonsalvias
33:07
Speaker 1: and Mullion families revealed that they could sue the city
33:10
Speaker 1: for damages, according to documents obtained by ABC News. And
33:15
Speaker 1: that's an interesting angle, I guess. I don't see how
33:18
Speaker 1: the city of Moscow is culpable here, but I'm sure
33:21
Speaker 1: that Shannon Gray has a game plan. Great told the
33:25
Speaker 1: outlet that the filed claims protect the family's rights to
33:27
Speaker 1: file a lawsuit in the next two years. Filing a
33:31
Speaker 1: torte claims notice is really just a safeguard. Great told
33:34
Speaker 1: ABC News. It's a safeguard to protect the interests of
33:38
Speaker 1: the families, the victims, and really the whole community around
33:42
Speaker 1: because if something goes wrong or was done improperly, then
33:45
Speaker 1: someone is held accountable for that. Hey, look, accountability is
33:49
Speaker 1: a good thing, and are elected in public officials should
33:53
Speaker 1: be accountable for the decisions and the actions that they're
33:56
Speaker 1: involved in. And obviously, if there was some sort of
34:00
Speaker 1: misdeed or misstep made by Moscow police, they should be
34:03
Speaker 1: held responsible. But I don't know where that misstep might
34:07
Speaker 1: have come. Now again, we don't know the back and
34:10
Speaker 1: forth that's going on between the gonsalvast family and between
34:14
Speaker 1: the city of Moscow. We know that the relationship has
34:16
Speaker 1: always been contentious. Similar claims have been filed with Washington
34:21
Speaker 1: State University, the University of Idaho, and Idaho State Police.
34:25
Speaker 1: Great told ABC News those aren't meant to do anything
34:29
Speaker 1: other than protect the interests of the families and the victims.
34:33
Speaker 1: Moving forward, Well, there it is, folks. Again the Gonsalves
34:38
Speaker 1: family coming out and not mincing words, they want the
34:41
Speaker 1: death penalty. And not only do they want the death penalty,
34:44
Speaker 1: they want the death penalty by a firing squad. All right, folks,
34:48
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this one. All of the
34:50
Speaker 1: information that goes with the episode can be found in
34:53
Speaker 1: the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome back to
34:57
Speaker 1: the program. Recently, we heard up in Idaho that they
35:01
Speaker 1: might be bringing back death by firing squad if somebody
35:06
Speaker 1: is convicted of a capital crime. And the reason why
35:09
Speaker 1: they're thinking about bringing this back is because there is
35:13
Speaker 1: not always a supply of the medication needed. When we're
35:17
Speaker 1: talking about the lethal injection, there are a lot of
35:20
Speaker 1: companies that are not down with the death penalty, and
35:23
Speaker 1: in fact, a lot of these companies have just stopped
35:26
Speaker 1: providing the chemicals to the state for this purpose. And
35:30
Speaker 1: so without a means to execute somebody by lethal injection,
35:35
Speaker 1: these states with the death penalty on the books, they're
35:37
Speaker 1: looking for other means to go about their business.
35:41
Speaker 2: Now.
35:41
Speaker 1: Personally, as I've said plenty of times before, I'm not
35:44
Speaker 1: really a big fan of the death penalty in general.
35:47
Speaker 1: But if it's going to be on the books, then
35:50
Speaker 1: there has to be a way for the state to
35:52
Speaker 1: carry it out. And if these companies don't want to
35:54
Speaker 1: play ball and give them the proper chemicals, what are
35:58
Speaker 1: they supposed to do the residents of the state in question.
36:01
Speaker 1: They have the law on the books for a reason,
36:03
Speaker 1: and obviously enough people in the state believe in the
36:06
Speaker 1: death penalty that it has remained on the books. So
36:11
Speaker 1: if you're going to have the death penalty on the books,
36:13
Speaker 1: then you have to have a way to carry out
36:15
Speaker 1: that sentence. You can't just have people languishing on death
36:20
Speaker 1: row for thirty or forty years. What's the point in that.
36:23
Speaker 1: Just give them a life sentence and be done with it.
36:26
Speaker 1: So today we're going to dig into that issue a
36:28
Speaker 1: little bit deeper, and we're going to hear from a
36:30
Speaker 1: professor from Gonzaga who shares doubts about the possibility of
36:35
Speaker 1: bringing back execution by firing squad. So let's dive into
36:40
Speaker 1: this article from kr EM two and let's see what's
36:44
Speaker 1: going on. Headline, Gonzaga professor shares doubts over possible decision
36:49
Speaker 1: to bring firing squads back to Idaho death row. Idaho
36:54
Speaker 1: lawmakers are considering the move since the state has been
36:58
Speaker 1: unable to get the drugs needed for lethal injections. This
37:02
Speaker 1: article was authored by Kyle Simchuk. Last December, the state
37:08
Speaker 1: of Idaho had no choice but to call off the
37:10
Speaker 1: execution of Gerald Pizzuto, who was sentenced to death for
37:15
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty five murders of a woman and her
37:18
Speaker 1: nephew during a robbery at a remote cabin near McCall.
37:22
Speaker 1: The problem was that the Department of Corrections was unable
37:26
Speaker 1: to get a hold of the lethal injection drugs they needed.
37:29
Speaker 1: It's a problem that persists today, and considering there's an
37:34
Speaker 1: issue getting these drugs, you would think that in a
37:37
Speaker 1: capitalistic society like ours, somebody would slide in here and
37:41
Speaker 1: start providing these drugs for the states so that they
37:44
Speaker 1: can go ahead with these executions. But if no drugs
37:48
Speaker 1: are available, then there has to be a remedy for
37:50
Speaker 1: the state. What that remedy is, well, I have no idea.
37:54
Speaker 1: As I've said previously, I'm not a fan of the
37:57
Speaker 1: death penalty, by firing squad, lethal injection or anything else.
38:02
Speaker 1: The companies that do make this drug are European countries,
38:06
Speaker 1: and they're no longer willing to sell it to the
38:09
Speaker 1: United States, as they have been for nearly ten years now.
38:13
Speaker 1: Visiting assistant professor at Gonzaga John Dolyn Taylor, said Taylor,
38:18
Speaker 1: who has worked on one hundred and seventy seven death
38:21
Speaker 1: penalty cases across the country. She says another problem state's
38:25
Speaker 1: face with lethal injections is that many doctors aren't willing
38:30
Speaker 1: to participate. Well, considering doctors take the hippocratic oath, I
38:34
Speaker 1: could see how doctors would have a problem being involved
38:37
Speaker 1: in something like this. Now, on the flip side of that,
38:40
Speaker 1: shouldn't the state have doctors already that are on the
38:43
Speaker 1: books or on the roster, that are prepared to go
38:46
Speaker 1: through with all of this?
38:47
Speaker 2: If the state has.
38:48
Speaker 1: The death penalty on the books, I mean, shouldn't there
38:51
Speaker 1: be a doctor that's appointed to the prisons that are
38:54
Speaker 1: undertaking these executions and they know going into that role
38:58
Speaker 1: that their job is going to be to administer this
39:01
Speaker 1: final death sentence at some point for people on death row.
39:05
Speaker 1: That should all be made clear to somebody who's taking
39:08
Speaker 1: this job. I really don't understand that part. How is
39:11
Speaker 1: it that you can't find a doctor to do something
39:13
Speaker 1: like this? I can understand a shortage of supplies and
39:17
Speaker 1: material to get the job done, but certainly not a
39:20
Speaker 1: shortage of expertise. Considering in the state of Idaho, you
39:24
Speaker 1: know that this is on the books. And if you're
39:26
Speaker 1: a doctor and you take a job at one of
39:28
Speaker 1: these facilities, then you should just understand right away that
39:33
Speaker 1: at some point you're going to have to be involved
39:35
Speaker 1: in one of these state run executions. And if that's
39:38
Speaker 1: not something you're willing to do, then you shouldn't take
39:41
Speaker 1: the job at one of these facilities. And I'm sure
39:44
Speaker 1: that the government can find a pool of doctors that
39:47
Speaker 1: are willing to step up and be participants when something
39:51
Speaker 1: like this needs to occur. Some of the doctors are saying, hey,
39:55
Speaker 1: it's already a problem because our hippocratic oath says we
39:58
Speaker 1: can't do any harm. Taylor said, this is why the
40:01
Speaker 1: firing squads become that other backup method, because it doesn't
40:05
Speaker 1: require a medical professional to administer that. And as gruesome
40:09
Speaker 1: as that seems, they're not wrong. You see, when the
40:13
Speaker 1: state and the inhabitants of the state decide that the
40:16
Speaker 1: death penalty is a proper punishment for somebody who commits
40:20
Speaker 1: a capital crime, then there has.
40:22
Speaker 2: To be a way for that sentence to be carried out.
40:26
Speaker 1: And if it can't be carried out because of doctors
40:29
Speaker 1: not wanting to participate or that they can't get the
40:32
Speaker 1: proper chemical compounds that are needed for the lethal injections,
40:36
Speaker 1: then the state has to have a remedy to deal
40:38
Speaker 1: with the situation. And it sounds gruesome and brutal, of course,
40:43
Speaker 1: but one of the most cost effective ways to do
40:46
Speaker 1: that would be to have a firing squad. Right, how
40:49
Speaker 1: much do a couple of bullets cost? Not very much
40:51
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things. Idaho ban firing squads
40:55
Speaker 1: more than a decade ago, but now some lawmakers want
40:59
Speaker 1: to bring them back as an alternative method for execution
41:03
Speaker 1: when lethal injection drugs are not available. And honestly, we
41:07
Speaker 1: should just do away with the death penalty as a whole,
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Speaker 1: and we should just build facilities that are made for
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Speaker 1: people like this. If you're going to end up on
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Speaker 1: death row, well there should be a whole ass facility
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Speaker 1: where people on death row go to rod away, and
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Speaker 1: people that are in this facility they shouldn't have any
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Speaker 1: of the freedoms that other convicts might have. Maybe no TV,
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Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is. But it should be a
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Speaker 1: very very restrictive environment. If you're going to get the
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Speaker 1: death penalty and then that's removed, well I think that
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Speaker 1: your time behind bars should be pretty damn restrictive. Now
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that's the case for all inmates obviously,
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Speaker 1: but if we're going to do away with the death penalty,
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Speaker 1: then that time behind bars for the people who are
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Speaker 1: committing the most gruesome crimes amongst us, well, that has
41:56
Speaker 1: to be time that they feel that can't be time
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Speaker 1: that they're flying through or floating through. Has to be
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Speaker 1: time where it's significant, where it's restrictive, and where they
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Speaker 1: understand that what they did, well, what they did is
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Speaker 1: unacceptable and society is just not going to accept it.
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Speaker 1: So for me, if you get the death sentence, you
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Speaker 1: should end up in a facility like Flomax. That's where
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Speaker 1: the worst of the worst go for federal crimes. So
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Speaker 1: there should be facilities like that in each state for
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Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. And if you're accused of
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Speaker 1: a crime and then you're convicted of a capital crime,
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Speaker 1: then instead of getting that death penalty, you should just
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Speaker 1: get shipped off to one of these facilities where you're
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Speaker 1: basically just going to sit there in a sell forever
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Speaker 1: and think about what you did.
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Speaker 2: Because a lot of.
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Speaker 1: Times now, even when people are on death row, they
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Speaker 1: have basically celebrity status. They're getting all kinds of emails
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Speaker 1: and letters from fans and admirers, while the family as well,
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Speaker 1: they're never going to have their family member back, right. So,
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Speaker 1: while I'm not a fan of the death penalty, that
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean I don't want to see people suffer the consequence.
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Speaker 1: Because if you're going to do something like this, besides
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Speaker 1: throwing your ass in a volcano or strapping your ass
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Speaker 1: to a rocket on the outside, by the way and
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Speaker 1: launching you into orbit, I think sitting in a jail
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Speaker 1: cell and rotting away with hardly any contact from the
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Speaker 1: outside would be one of the worst punishments you could
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Speaker 1: possibly have. I mean, just look at some of the
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Speaker 1: stories you hear about Flomax guys like gas Pipe, Casso, Ramsey, Useth.
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Speaker 1: These guys are never talking to anybody, They're never going
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Speaker 1: to see the light of day again, and a lot
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Speaker 1: of them aren't even in there for murder. So if
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Speaker 1: you're going to murder four people, then I think that
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Speaker 1: we should put the resources in new facilities to house
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Speaker 1: these people who would have been put to death. A
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Speaker 1: firing squad is made up of individuals from the Department
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Speaker 1: of Corrections who would have volunteered to participate in that
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Speaker 1: death process. Taylor said, Utah was the last day to
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Speaker 1: execute a person using a firing squad, which is also
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Speaker 1: an option in Mississippi, Oklahoma, and South Carolina. Yeah, they
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Speaker 1: don't mess around in the South, right, They're like, show up,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna strap you to a tree and then shoot
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Speaker 1: you at a machine gun. But Taylor believes it poses
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Speaker 1: a constitutional problem. Under the Eighth Amendment, we have these
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Speaker 1: rules about this unnecessary, unwanted, this freakish pain, and so
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Speaker 1: if we cannot establish this dying with dignity that is
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Speaker 1: also part of the Eighth Amendment and meet these benchmarks
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Speaker 1: around pain, then we have not only failed the individual
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Speaker 1: on the other side of the firing squad, but we've
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Speaker 1: also failed ourselves because we agreed on this constitution and
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Speaker 1: we can't start making discounts for the rights of people
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Speaker 1: just for our own personal feelings. Taylor said, and I
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Speaker 1: agree one million percent about that. I'm adamant that the
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Speaker 1: people I dislike the most and the people that I
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Speaker 1: think are the guiltiest should have the same rights as
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Speaker 1: anybody else, because that's the way our systems set up
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Speaker 1: and that's the only way our system will succeed because
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Speaker 1: as of right now, the whole entire justice system is broken.
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Speaker 1: And don't even get me started on the Department of Corrections.
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Speaker 1: Eight people are currently on death row in Idaho, and
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Speaker 1: with the recent murder of four University of Idaho students,
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Speaker 1: the topic is now top of mind for many people
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Speaker 1: in the state, including lawmakers. So that's an interesting take
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Speaker 1: on the whole bringing back the firing squad. And it's
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Speaker 1: always nice to hear from these professors, obviously, especially the
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Speaker 1: ones that deal in these issues. And the more perspective
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Speaker 1: and the more context we get, the better. All Right, folks,
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Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
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