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Football at Four: Assessing Eagles Passing Game Without A.J. Brown · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: by the Inside the Birds podcast. Adam Kaplan is here
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  Speaker 1: for a Friday edition. Birds back on the practice field
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  Speaker 1: today and Adam, you and I talked on Tuesday about
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  Speaker 1: the offense and what it will be looking like and
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  Speaker 1: how that will be the focus of these OTAs we
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  Speaker 1: get any insight on what their offense might look like,
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  Speaker 1: including what this new past game might look like when
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  Speaker 1: AJ Brown is in fact out the door, as we
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  Speaker 1: all anticipate what is left over and what does it
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  Speaker 1: look like for Jalen Hurts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so look it when we see AJ Brown trade.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, it.
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  Speaker 3: Won't be done for Cap coversus until June second, it
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  Speaker 3: can if they want cap relief, which is why they're waiting.
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  Speaker 2: They have to wait till Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: And also it has to pass the physical presumably with
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Where he's highly likely to go. But once that's over
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  Speaker 2: with Mike, you know, let's take a look at post
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  Speaker 2: A J.
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  Speaker 1: Brown.
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  Speaker 2: What's it going to look like.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we know that Makayle Lemon will be a starter, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: what they don't have is that physical presence at wide receiver,
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  Speaker 3: at least as a starter. Now, when they go eleven personnel,
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  Speaker 3: that's where Don Davian wits, who they've guaranteed twelve million
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  Speaker 3: over two seasons.
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  Speaker 1: Two.
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  Speaker 2: He'll do that.
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  Speaker 3: He's not he's just under six foot two, he's long, blanky.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't run fast, but he runs after the catch.
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  Speaker 2: He gives him a physical.
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  Speaker 3: President says, when they go what I call the speed package,
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  Speaker 3: that's DeVante Smith.
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  Speaker 2: That could be Barkley. You could go tak Pigs be.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly to be or will Shipley runs on a straight line.
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  Speaker 3: But then you go with Hollywood Brown, you go with
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  Speaker 3: Eli Stowers. He's not gonna play a lot as a rookie.
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  Speaker 3: Mic Let's not forget that dak Ertz played forty one
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  Speaker 3: per twenty thirteen as a rookie, the second round pick, ironically,
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  Speaker 3: so he's not gonna play a lot of stars, but
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  Speaker 3: when he does, he might play that exposition.
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  Speaker 2: That's a J.
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  Speaker 3: Brown's position. Dak Ertz played it for the Eagles. He
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  Speaker 3: did a little bit of a Doddard's line up in
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  Speaker 3: that you don't line him up in a lot of
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  Speaker 3: steps there.
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  Speaker 2: But you can do that. So there are ways alleviate it. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna look a lot different. You don't have a J.
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  Speaker 3: Brown who could not He's not a speed guy. He's
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  Speaker 3: just a physical president who gets open and separates. But
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  Speaker 3: you don't have that guy, but you DeVante could run.
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  Speaker 3: His past targets are going to go god it. We'd
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  Speaker 3: even mention him as a slot ted end or as
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  Speaker 3: an in line ted end order playing the wide position.
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  Speaker 3: You've got a lot of formation variations. There are a
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  Speaker 3: lot of things you can do, Mike. But it's gonna
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  Speaker 3: look completely different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously without aj you know you go with Ward
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  Speaker 1: dev Let me ask you about Devontae RYL. Smith. There's
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  Speaker 1: been a lot of talk of you know, what is
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  Speaker 1: he by himself without a J. Brown? You know he
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  Speaker 1: has been he was the guy here, but he was
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  Speaker 1: a rookie that year. He was here without a J.
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  Speaker 1: Brown for a year, but he was a rookie. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think that he is a wide receiver, one that
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  Speaker 1: can make all the plays and make all the routes,
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  Speaker 1: make all the catches.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's not gonna play in a J. Brown's position.
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  Speaker 2: He's just not. He's not his position. He he'll play.
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  Speaker 2: He's the Z receiver you could. There's certain things you
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  Speaker 2: can do. Again, Towers can line up in that position.
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  Speaker 2: Doter can line up in it a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But he doesn't have to be a quote unquote he's
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  Speaker 3: gonna get pren targets. To answer your question, they're gonna
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  Speaker 3: go up because you're vacating a lot of pass targets.
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  Speaker 3: So someone's gonna gonna spread him around. Smith will go up,
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  Speaker 3: and he should will go up, mkay. Lemon will will
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  Speaker 3: play a lot as a rookie, and then you know which,
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  Speaker 3: as I said, and Garris Cooper right had mentioned, we'll
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  Speaker 3: play a little bit. Uh a Loga Moore is a
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  Speaker 3: major long shot.
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  Speaker 2: To make it there. It's good.
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  Speaker 3: He'd have to have a great camp. He's not a
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  Speaker 3: special teams player, and that's a problem. So that's an issue.
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  Speaker 3: But you put overall Mike when you look at it.
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  Speaker 3: I think we're overrating that question because you know people
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  Speaker 3: are looking for stuff to talk. Oh could he take
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  Speaker 3: ij Brown spot? He's not the same player, not in size,
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  Speaker 3: but in ability, route running, explosiveness.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, you could throw.
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  Speaker 3: Deep dim he can do that, and you know Jalen
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  Speaker 3: loves to do that. Now the offensive scheme is going
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  Speaker 3: to change because it's West Coast, more inside routes. He
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  Speaker 3: could run slants, by the way, when he plays inside,
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  Speaker 3: his numbers are very good historically, and you can play
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  Speaker 3: double slots with Lemon and Smith. So there are a
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  Speaker 3: lot of things you can do here. But just understand, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: nobody can.
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  Speaker 2: Replace Ader Brown. They don't have anyone who do what
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  Speaker 2: he can do.
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  Speaker 1: Talk with Adam Kaplan for today's football at four here
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  Speaker 1: on the Sports bashes.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: One of the other guys you know, Hollywood Brown. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think that he's a guy that has a role
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  Speaker 1: on this team or is he a guy that will
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  Speaker 1: not even guaranteed to make the team.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, he's on the team.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you five million dollars wide. They guarantee
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  Speaker 3: five millions. It's not getting till that's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: He is there, true shot shot play guy. Now, it's
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  Speaker 3: been a little weird with him. He's been hurt a
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  Speaker 3: lot and he has not been the lead deep threat
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  Speaker 3: that the Cardinals have thought they thought they had or
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  Speaker 3: Ravens thought they had, not averaging like seventeen or eighteen
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  Speaker 3: yards per catch like we thought he would.
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  Speaker 2: But he's been hurt a lot. He can do that.
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  Speaker 2: He could still run. He goes sink he can. That's
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  Speaker 2: why they guarantee five million.
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  Speaker 3: He's not gonna get a lot of targets, Mike, But
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  Speaker 3: as I said, with when they go to their speed package, he'll.
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  Speaker 2: Be in there and you know what, and he can
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  Speaker 2: line up as a vertical slot. You can do that
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  Speaker 2: with him.
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  Speaker 3: So they've got a lot of things they can do with.
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  Speaker 2: This group, Mike. I'm really looking forward to what Seohn
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  Speaker 2: Mannion sees and believes and his coaches.
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  Speaker 3: And let's not forget they've got a brand new coaching
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  Speaker 3: staff in offense.
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  Speaker 2: Right for the most.
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  Speaker 3: Part, they've got a new staff and it's gonna their
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  Speaker 3: thought process. Other than Jamal Siggles to the running backs
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  Speaker 3: coaches back Agen, it's really good. It's pretty much a
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  Speaker 3: whole new staff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, where do you fit the tight ends here? Adam?
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  Speaker 1: We saw what Tucker crafted in green in Green Bay
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  Speaker 1: and the tight end usage there. How does that translate
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  Speaker 1: into this offense in your mind? With with Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 1: and his you know, propensity to not want to throw
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  Speaker 1: the ball over the middle.
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  Speaker 3: I know, but you know what, Mike, I'm gonna defend
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  Speaker 3: him a little bit. Okay, And I understand God did
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  Speaker 3: most of his damage inside the twenty But again, as
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  Speaker 3: we've pointed out for like eight months now, if you coaches,
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  Speaker 3: the way it was taught to me is that we
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  Speaker 3: always isolate throws. If you isolate certain throws last season,
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  Speaker 3: you go, wow, I don't know why he can't do
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  Speaker 3: more of that. Like the Charger game. Yes, he started
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  Speaker 3: over four times, but he made some great throws going
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  Speaker 3: back to twenty twenty four Game one against Green Bay
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  Speaker 3: when games were Hurts his career, all sorts of throws
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  Speaker 3: all over the field, the Pittsburgh game two years ago,
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  Speaker 3: but not maybe.
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  Speaker 2: His best game as a professional. Super Bowl. He can't.
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  Speaker 3: He's capable of doing it. But on your point, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: will he do it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Nobody touched that other than the quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: But as far as Dodder, yes, now I understand Sean
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  Speaker 3: Manning did not call the plays. It was only his
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  Speaker 3: second year coaching. He was their quarterbacks coach last year.
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  Speaker 3: But in the McVeigh offense, which is the genesis of
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  Speaker 3: Mannion's career, that that's where you're gonna see a lot
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  Speaker 3: of this stuff. The tight end did get the ball.
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  Speaker 3: Tyler Higby got the ball. You know, McVeigh, remember comes
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  Speaker 3: from he really does come from the Shadohan system, but
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  Speaker 3: he changed it to his own system, more of a
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  Speaker 3: McVeigh system. Now it's really his own system. And then
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  Speaker 3: you know, man will take some stuff from Matt Lafleur
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  Speaker 3: and then don't forget the passive game coordinated come strictly
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  Speaker 3: from the Shanahan system.
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  Speaker 2: So there's gonna be a blend of both.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I answer your question, like the move this forward,
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  Speaker 3: I expect fully the tight ends will be more involved.
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  Speaker 3: But it sounds great, Mike, but Hurts has to pull
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  Speaker 3: the trigger.
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  Speaker 1: Question I get a lot, I'll get it to you.
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  Speaker 1: Adam is what about the running backs over the years, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna throw the ball to the backs more, They're
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  Speaker 1: gonna throw the ball. No, they're not, and they weren't
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  Speaker 1: lying they have it. So does Sean Mannion want to
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  Speaker 1: get his backs more involved in catching the football?
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  Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna answer it this way. The Eagles
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  Speaker 2: have tried to get.
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  Speaker 3: Their screen game going over the years, but they haven't been.
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  Speaker 2: Able to do it for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's a thirty for thirty short mic on why
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  Speaker 3: not then it happened. We expected the screen game to
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  Speaker 3: be there a little bit and Shipley could do very
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  Speaker 3: well that turning his hips getting up deel is explosive.
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  Speaker 2: Barkley can do it.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't have the greatest hands in the world, very inconsistent hands,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, pigs By's not much past catcher. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I answer your question. I expect the bats to be
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  Speaker 3: involved a little bit, but we've been full before.
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  Speaker 2: Hurts is not a checkdown quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't like doing it.
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  Speaker 2: But it's all about design, though you have to put
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  Speaker 2: it in. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's how people don't seem to understand. He doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: to check it down, put it in the offense. We
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  Speaker 3: expected to be in there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well guess what and you mentioned you know Shipley,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know there's a guy that they really haven't
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  Speaker 1: had any role for. Bigsby doesn't catch the ball. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know they didn't throw him the ball either. And
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  Speaker 1: we know Barkley has struggled in catching the football. I
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  Speaker 1: mean he has two drops that stand out in games
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  Speaker 1: that they lost. But Shipley, you wonder if that's a
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  Speaker 1: guy that entices Manning to say, you know what, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta find a little package for you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he you know, that's a good question because he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't know.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Manus stop playing with Shipley before this. This
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  Speaker 2: is the first exposure to him in Otazo and then
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  Speaker 2: watching the Stave.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, the thing is Mike, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There to finish.
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  Speaker 3: Not gonna have aj Brown, But they have such a
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  Speaker 3: good pass stargut group without him, they just don't have
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  Speaker 3: its physical presence and ability.
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  Speaker 2: But also John D. Flippo taught me this.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have to have so much talent. It's about
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  Speaker 3: how you use it. Flip in twenty fifteen did such
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  Speaker 3: a phenomenal job with very little talent around him. You
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  Speaker 3: wound up getting a head coaching interview because he did
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  Speaker 3: such a good job. You made Gary Barnage.
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  Speaker 2: You remember Gary Barnage with a third string tight end
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  Speaker 2: end career.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, right, John Flip used him, made him into a
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  Speaker 3: Pro Bowl because I had nobody else.
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  Speaker 2: He had to get to the football scheme him open
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  Speaker 2: good coaching.
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  Speaker 1: All right, man, Well, obviously everybody's very interested in what
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  Speaker 1: this new look offense will be. And then I guess
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  Speaker 1: the next thing. By the time you are back on
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  Speaker 1: for football of four a week, Well, you'll be back
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday. But on Friday, will aj Brown still be here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Mike, again, Tuesday is the first day.
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  Speaker 1: Just so you know, Mike, Tuesday, four four o'clock, you'll
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  Speaker 1: be on. I think it's Tuesday at four oh one.
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  Speaker 1: And they can treat them something like that.
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  Speaker 2: No, they could do it.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, Mike, it actually is on this thing. It's
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  Speaker 3: gotta be any time on Tuesday. But understand, there's no time.
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  Speaker 2: There's no time.
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  Speaker 3: There's no deadline to do this. It's not a trade
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  Speaker 3: deadline thing, so they don't have to do a Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: But for cap purposes, the earliest they could do it
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  Speaker 2: is on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, I did enjoy your talk with
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  Speaker 3: Bob Lenkle. I really enjoyed that. As I am in
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  Speaker 3: my car on my long drive. So I did enjoy that.
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  Speaker 3: But one thing, Bader is making thirteen and a half
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  Speaker 3: or twelve and a half I think, or thirteen million
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty seven. And it's all guaranteed. Don't forget
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  Speaker 3: about that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, everybody in baseball is always guaranteed. But Baier. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but they've been giving out ten million dollar contracts all
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  Speaker 1: these guys who I know who have stunk.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you know, I know, but Crippler its eighteen
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  Speaker 3: homers last year.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, by the way, but actually he's making ten point
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  Speaker 1: two next year, ten point two.
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  Speaker 3: What what was the total for Baiter?
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  Speaker 1: He got two years? Yeah, two years twenty twenty point four,
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  Speaker 1: So you're making this year. He was making ten point
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  Speaker 1: two this year and ten point two next year.
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  Speaker 2: Ten point two, Mike, I know, I don't, I know.
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  Speaker 3: Baseball gems club's more willing to walk away for money,
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  Speaker 3: not like the NFL teams are.
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  Speaker 2: But he is so bad this year, beatter. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: hard to believe.
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  Speaker 1: He's been terrible. One. I think he's hitting one sixty
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  Speaker 1: seven right now, one sixty seven with a one ninety
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  Speaker 1: six on base He's been arguably the worst player in
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  Speaker 1: all of baseball. But that's why you could get him
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  Speaker 1: for pennies on the dollar.
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  Speaker 2: I know was so good last year.
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  Speaker 3: He was also Mosher and I were like, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: I could not believe Jeff files baseball than I do,
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  Speaker 3: but I followed fairly closely that Jeff said, like, that's
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  Speaker 3: the problem with him, he's never played this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well guess what, he's never.
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  Speaker 1: Played Well, well, hey, Adam got but I know you
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  Speaker 1: followed basketball Big Sixers guy who wins Game seven tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, see, man, they're not losing. And by the
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  Speaker 2: way I ran this, I believe you with one thing
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  Speaker 2: I want to pick up with you. At one point
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  Speaker 2: I ran.
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  Speaker 3: This by Josh and just only for the for the
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  Speaker 3: teams that that they're with Don Broski with the Phillies,
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  Speaker 3: not with any other team where he did a great
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  Speaker 3: job of just for the Phillies and obviously the Sixers
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  Speaker 3: former GM Dallel morey, Ye, who would you say stun
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  Speaker 3: a better job.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question. Well, I would have to say
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  Speaker 1: Dombroski has done a better job because they've been to
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs all four years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but just just so yeah, no, but just based
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  Speaker 2: it on transactions transaction zone.
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  Speaker 1: That's harder because you're under such constraints in the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: With what you can do in baseball, you can stand
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  Speaker 1: out contracts like they're candy. Hey you want a contra,
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  Speaker 1: here you go.
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  Speaker 2: That's my point.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I you made a great point. I've
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  Speaker 1: always thought I think Maury did a better job than
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  Speaker 1: he was given credit for it. But his negatives are
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  Speaker 1: the two contracts that will overshadow all the good that
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  Speaker 1: he did within Beide and George Well.
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  Speaker 2: McCain, McCain. Look, I'm in pain watching McCain. I I
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  Speaker 2: just can't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: I hated that trade too, So yeah, you could add
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  Speaker 1: that to the mix as well. But yeah, and I
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  Speaker 1: said this the other day, I opened my show with it.
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  Speaker 1: Don Brosky has done a great job of getting them
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  Speaker 1: to a level, but he hasn't made that move to
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  Speaker 1: get them over the top in forty years now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's also butchered right field, Mike, He's missed on
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  Speaker 3: three players very badly. You made a good point with
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  Speaker 3: Avancone a couple weeks a couple of weeks ago, I
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  Speaker 3: thought I enjoyed that conversation we could beat Mariy up
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  Speaker 3: on a lot of things, so I do agree that
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  Speaker 3: he's overrated. But to get out of that Alpha for
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  Speaker 3: contract with Phenomeno, I follow cap stuff so that.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he did a great job there.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, this is another discussion for I just
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  Speaker 3: wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: Bring it up to day. But enjoyed your little conversation there.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy, and I always enjoy our conversations. We'll
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: do it again on Tuesday, without a Monday Motion's back
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: for football at four here in the sports Best. Thanks
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: man all
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Right man too.