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Sharri | 5 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: All good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James
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Speaker 2: Macpherson filling in for Shari. Coming up tonight, outrage over
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Speaker 2: a Muslim independence social media posts seemingly glorifying the October
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Speaker 2: seven attacks, But will it be condemned by his rival
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke. Liberal MP Julian Lisa will join me in
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Speaker 2: the studio to discuss. Also tonight, Labor hesitates to reveal
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Speaker 2: its new climate targets, as a major car company ditches
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Speaker 2: its promise to go all electric. Of people finally starting
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Speaker 2: to wake up. Plus, the BBC prepares to acts five
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Speaker 2: hundred jobs in a major cost saving exercise, but they've
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Speaker 2: got millions of dollars to spend on. You guessed it
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Speaker 2: a diversity and inclusion. Push that story with my panel
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Speaker 2: in just a moment. But first, Bill Shorten is leaving politics.
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Speaker 2: If I was tasked with fixing the NDIS, I'd be
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Speaker 2: leaving too. But it gives you you an idea just
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Speaker 2: how bad this government is. That when Bill Shorten announces
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Speaker 2: his resignation, well everyone is sad. Not sad because Shorton
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Speaker 2: is going, but sad because Bowen isn't nor Charmers, nor Giles,
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Speaker 2: nor Plebasec, nor Burke, nor wong Am I forgetting anyone.
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Speaker 2: You've probably come up with six names already. Shorten's resignation
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Speaker 2: comes just two weeks after he said he would absolutely
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Speaker 2: contest the next election.
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Speaker 3: You got the federal election, presumably early next year, you're recontesting.
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Speaker 4: It's my aim to keep fighting as long as I
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Speaker 4: can on the causes, which I'll want to mean's running again.
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Speaker 2: Sure at this stage, absolutely absolutely contesting the next election.
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Speaker 2: Two weeks later, absolutely not. And we're absolutely stupid if
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Speaker 2: we believe anything these people say. Mister Shorton's achievements include
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Speaker 2: helping to topple Kevin Rudd, helping to topple Julia Gillard,
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Speaker 2: and helping to topple the National Accounts, by which I
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Speaker 2: mean helping to create the NDIS. As one of the
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Speaker 2: architects of the NDIS, mister Shorton told us the scheme
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Speaker 2: would cost around thirteen billion dollars.
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Speaker 5: A year and be fully funded.
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Speaker 2: It now costs forty two billion dollars a year, and
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Speaker 2: the cost is growing by twenty percent annually. I wish
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Speaker 2: my superannuation had that kind of growth. Having created the NDIS, behemoth.
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Speaker 2: Shorten was tasked with fixing it, and having failed to
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Speaker 2: fix it, Shorten is now moving on to become vice
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Speaker 2: chancellor of a university so he can pass on his
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Speaker 2: knowledge to the next generation. Don't you love how this
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Speaker 2: country works? He'll also lobby for more international students, just
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Speaker 2: as soon as his wage doesn't require him to insist
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Speaker 2: on fewer international students.
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Speaker 4: Let me trump an incoming vice chancellor with a current
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Speaker 4: Cabinet minister. I support the government's propositions. I'm supporting the
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Speaker 4: government's changes and that is as it should be.
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Speaker 2: So Bill Shorton rides off into the sunset where a
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Speaker 2: one point eight million dollar or thereabouts job at Camberra
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Speaker 2: University awaits, and genuinely I.
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Speaker 5: Wish him well.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't finish up immediately, though the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 2: insisted mister Shorten's stay on in his seat until February.
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Speaker 2: He and I agree there is important work still to
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Speaker 2: be done to put the National Disability Insurance Scheme on
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Speaker 2: a sustainable footing, which really means ensuring there's no need
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Speaker 2: for a by election. Oh and sure, a sustainable footing
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Speaker 2: for the NDIS. Speaking of the ndis shortens departure now
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Speaker 2: leaves an opportunity or is it a poisoned chalice for
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Speaker 2: an MP with more ambition than sense, which, let's face it,
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Speaker 2: could be anyone in the Labor caucus. There's now an
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Speaker 2: opening for a new minister for the National Disability and
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Speaker 2: Insurance Scheme. All you have to do is turn around
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Speaker 2: a runaway train that former Labour Treasurer Wayne Swann described
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Speaker 2: as out of control and completely unsustainable, descriptors which could
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Speaker 2: also be used for the Economic portfolio, the immigrationfoliolio and
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Speaker 2: the Energy portfolio, any takers. While Anthony Albinezi is contemplating
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Speaker 2: who shortens replacement might be, I can well imagine Labor
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Speaker 2: MPs looking down to avoid eye contact when walking past
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Speaker 2: the PM in the parliament corridors. Shortens colleagues and opponents, Well,
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Speaker 2: they were gracious and complementary. Today former PM Tony Abbott
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Speaker 2: tweeting Bill Shorten's retirement is a loss for our parliament. Yes,
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Speaker 2: he'll continue to serve our country, but we need more
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Speaker 2: people of courage and conviction in our public life and
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Speaker 2: Bill has been a striver for the higher things in
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Speaker 2: his time in the Parliament. Well, I don't think anyone
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Speaker 2: would disagree that Bill Shorton has been a striver, he
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Speaker 2: said today, he'd always strive to make Australia better.
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Speaker 4: But there's something else that aw members have taught me.
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Speaker 4: In the end, we're all just passing through. What matters
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Speaker 4: is whether we leave the place better than we found it.
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Speaker 5: And how's that going?
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Speaker 2: Would anyone agree labor have left the place better than
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Speaker 2: they found it? No, well, Bill Shorten does. I think
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Speaker 2: we're doing a good job, and that's why it's time
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Speaker 2: to go, day.
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Speaker 6: To go.
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Speaker 2: Well, every now and then you get a horrible reminder
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Speaker 2: of why you no longer watch the ABC. This week,
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Speaker 2: I had the misfortune of watching the seven thirty program,
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Speaker 2: so that you don't have to you can thank me later.
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Speaker 2: Host Sarah Ferguson went digging for dirt on Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: She interviewed Trump's former communications director Anthony Scaramucci, who lasted
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Speaker 2: just eleven days in the job before being fired.
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Speaker 5: Seriously, is that the best they could come up with? Anyway?
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Speaker 2: In a nine minute interview, that's almost a full minute
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Speaker 2: for every day Scaramuchi actually worked for Trump, one and
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Speaker 2: a half minutes was spent on this topic.
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Speaker 7: Does Trump really wear a girdle?
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Speaker 5: Hang on? Sorry? Rewind the tape and say that again.
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Speaker 7: Does Trump really wear a girdle?
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Speaker 2: Now maybe it's just me, but for a billion dollars
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Speaker 2: a year, I'm expecting better US election analysis than questions
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Speaker 2: about Trump's underwear. Can you imagine the outrage if a
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Speaker 2: reporter asked about special underwear worn by Kamala Harris. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: having inflicted the question on you, I'm going to go
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Speaker 2: full ABC and inflict the answer on you as well.
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Speaker 5: On certain days. Yes, what's that about?
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Speaker 8: He's a you know, he's an image oriented guy. He's
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Speaker 8: a television entertainer. He does a heats taking pictures of
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Speaker 8: him from the side because he just looks too fat
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Speaker 8: from the side. He looks depictures had.
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Speaker 2: On Donald Trump is self conscious about his weight. I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure he's Robinson Caruso on that one.
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Speaker 5: But there's more.
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Speaker 8: He spends a lot of time in his hair. It's
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Speaker 8: like a sort of a weave thing that he does
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Speaker 8: up there.
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Speaker 2: Trump also spends time on his hair. Now, some of
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Speaker 2: us wish we needed to spend more time on our hair,
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Speaker 2: But it raises the question, with all that fussing about
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Speaker 2: with his hair, would he even have time to close
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Speaker 2: the border, sort out the economy, or deal with Putin.
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Speaker 2: But let's not bother ourselves with those puerile topics. We're
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Speaker 2: talking about the future of the free world.
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Speaker 8: He's got a certain orange war paint that he wears,
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Speaker 8: he's got two inch heels, lifts and shoes him. And
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Speaker 8: though he's a reasonably tall person. There's insecurity there, you know,
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Speaker 8: there's the hyper massculinity is a tell for how insecure
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Speaker 8: the guy actually is.
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Speaker 2: Wait, so Trump wears heels, but he's not a Democrat,
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Speaker 2: or maybe the two inch heels of why some believe
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Speaker 2: Trump will destabilize the world order. As for hypermasculinity, well,
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Speaker 2: some masculinity wouldn't go astray.
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Speaker 5: In the West right now.
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Speaker 2: But if the hypermasculinity is a tell for how insecure
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Speaker 2: Trump is, the puerile commentary by Scaramucci is a tell
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Speaker 2: for why he lasted only eleven days in his job.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't much of an insight into Trump, but a definite
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Speaker 2: insight into his former communications director, and the reminder of
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Speaker 2: what you and I get for a lazy one point
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Speaker 2: one billion dollars a year on our ABC. Well, as
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Speaker 2: I said at the top of the show, former labor
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Speaker 2: leader and current NDIS Minister Bill Shorten has announced his
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Speaker 2: retirement from politics.
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Speaker 4: My English family said it would be unimaginable to my
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Speaker 4: grandma the idea that her grandson would have the opportunity
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Speaker 4: to serve in a parliament and to indeed run for
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Speaker 4: prime minister. I don't worry about what it hasn't been.
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Speaker 4: I think I'm really despite the ups and the downs,
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Speaker 4: there is not a single day I would hand back
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Speaker 4: in seventeen years.
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Speaker 2: Bill Shorten has landed a job as vice chancellor at
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Speaker 2: the University of Canberra. Let's take this to my panel,
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Speaker 2: National Senator Matt Canavan and Perth Mayor Basil Zemplus.
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Speaker 5: Gentlemen, thanks for joining me. Matt.
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Speaker 2: This is just what our country needs, isn't it yet
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Speaker 2: another left to running a university.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, good luck to Bill Shorten. You know, I'm
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Speaker 3: not too worried about what his next job is I suppose,
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Speaker 3: although you know he's got a pretty big pay increase there.
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Speaker 1: I think so good on him.
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Speaker 3: Not against people making a good buck in life, but
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Speaker 3: it does put him in an interesting position with the
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Speaker 3: government looking at capping university numbers as numbers here and
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Speaker 3: the university sector up in arms about that. So you
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Speaker 3: wonder if this is a strategic move by the universities
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Speaker 3: to push back against that move. I certainly think we
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Speaker 3: have to take steps to reduce the number of people
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Speaker 3: coming this country. We just don't have enough homes for
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Speaker 3: Australi and so we've got to focus on that. And
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Speaker 3: look Bell, you know, he always wish people best on
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Speaker 3: the way out. I think unfortunately he will be remembered
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Speaker 3: for that time that he lost the election. He partly
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Speaker 3: lost that because he couldn't bring himself to support the
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Speaker 3: Danni coal mine up here in North Queensland. That cost
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Speaker 3: him dearly in this day, and it doesn't look like
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Speaker 3: Labor parties learnt its lessons. It's now stopping a gold
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Speaker 3: mine in New South Wales and I just don't think
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Speaker 3: they realize how many people in that mining sector there
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Speaker 3: are up here in central Queensland.
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Speaker 1: It's a topic of.
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Speaker 3: Discussion what the Labor Party's doing to a gold mine there,
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Speaker 3: because all the workers know that decisions like that threaten
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Speaker 3: their livelihoods too.
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Speaker 2: Basil you'd think Bill Shorton would be dying to get
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Speaker 2: out of Canberra, but he's going to relocate there permanently.
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Speaker 2: With the university job.
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Speaker 5: Maybe that's how bad Victoria is.
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Speaker 9: Well, he loves Camber obviously, and he's got to stay
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Speaker 9: in his current role. We heard the Prime Minister say
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Speaker 9: until February because there is work still to be done.
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Speaker 9: Like everybody, congratulations and good luck to Bill Shornton. Bill
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Speaker 9: shorton seventeen years in the Federal Parliament. He has been,
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Speaker 9: as Theodore Roosevelt told us, the man in the arena,
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Speaker 9: and for that he deserves the credit. We congratulate him
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Speaker 9: in twenty sixteen, twenty nineteen, appreciate his words today and
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Speaker 9: stoic and noble, but you don't become the opposition leader
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Speaker 9: and lead your party to an election and then hope
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Speaker 9: not to win it. And certainly twenty nineteen will burn
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Speaker 9: and hurt. But he's moving on. We wish him all
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Speaker 9: the best. And yeah, he likes camera. He's going to
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Speaker 9: be staying in camera for a bit longer.
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Speaker 5: Indeed, and we do wish him all the best.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: The Australian is reporting that the Albanezy government could be
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Speaker 2: having second thoughts about unveiling its twenty thirty five emissions
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Speaker 2: reduction target. Now the target's supposed to be made public
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Speaker 2: in February next year, but it sounds like the government
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Speaker 2: has not convinced it would be a good idea to
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Speaker 2: announce the target prior to the election.
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Speaker 5: Matt Tai, I.
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Speaker 2: Wonder why the government would balk releasing an emissions target.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think the main reason here is the Labor
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Speaker 3: government is preparing for minority government. They're keeping their powder
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Speaker 3: dry on issues like this so they can keep some
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Speaker 3: things in the bottom drawer to pull out when they
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Speaker 3: think inevitably may have to negotiate with Teals and.
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Speaker 1: Greens after the election.
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Speaker 3: And so it'll be if you vote for the Labor
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Speaker 3: Party at this election, you'll be giving them an effect
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Speaker 3: a blank check to after the election write out a
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Speaker 3: massive io you to the Greens and till parties. And
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Speaker 3: I don't think that's fair to the Australian public. But
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Speaker 3: you know, the Australian public have a chance to see
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Speaker 3: through that and not vote for a Labor party that
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Speaker 3: cannot commit to what they'll actually do with the next
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Speaker 3: term of government because they'll probably deform government need the
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Speaker 3: support of Greens and Teals, And of course the Greens
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Speaker 3: and Teals will want that emission's target to be as
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Speaker 3: high as possible now. I think what we just need
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Speaker 3: to do though over all issue here is let's just
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Speaker 3: drop all of these targets.
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Speaker 1: It's just absolutely absurd.
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Speaker 3: We have economy tanking, we have massive geopolitical risks on
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Speaker 3: our door store step. None of those countries the north
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Speaker 3: of US are taking climate target seriously. It's about time
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Speaker 3: we drop these climate change observe climate change targets and
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Speaker 3: focus on the only target that matters right now, a
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Speaker 3: cost of living target to bring down inflation for people
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Speaker 3: and get our standard living back up to a reasonable level.
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Speaker 2: Well, taking you up on that point, Basil, I wanted
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Speaker 2: to ask you, if Trump wins and pulls out of
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Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement as he did last time he was
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Speaker 2: in power, and if the rise of conservatives in Europe continues,
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Speaker 2: then Australia could set an ambitious emissions target only to
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Speaker 2: end up out on a limb all on its own.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's absolutely correct, and I think the ambition on
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Speaker 9: its own is fine. The ambition to get towards net
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Speaker 9: zero no problem. We should all be striving for a
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Speaker 9: more sustainable future, no argument with that, but locking ourselves
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Speaker 9: into targets that are more than likely going to be unachievable.
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Speaker 9: Does nobody, including the industry that is there to try
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Speaker 9: and help us get to those targets any good. Our
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Speaker 9: best bet is to work our way towards net zero,
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Speaker 9: keep the lights on, keep the costs down, and get
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Speaker 9: there when we do. Locking ourselves into unachievable targets does
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Speaker 9: nobody any good at all?
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Speaker 10: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the other point you make there, and
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Speaker 2: it's the point well made unachievable. We're barely going to
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Speaker 2: make or barely on track to make the twenty thirty targets.
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Speaker 2: The cost of power is through the roof. We're being
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Speaker 2: warned about potential blackouts. So for the government prior to
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Speaker 2: the next election, then to trumpet a brand new target
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Speaker 2: of whatever it's going to be, sixty percent or whatever
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Speaker 2: is only going to frighten everyone even more so I
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Speaker 2: can understand their reticence. More on the subject of targets,
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Speaker 2: Swedish carmaker Volvo has become the latest big name manufacturer
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Speaker 2: to scrap its screen energy dream. They've dropped their promise
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Speaker 2: to go all electric by twenty thirty. Volvo are known
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Speaker 2: for the safety of their vehicles, but clearly they don't
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Speaker 2: want to take a risk with renewables and electricity and
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Speaker 2: their business plan going forward.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm just glad James that the principle that the
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Speaker 3: customer is always right is re establishing itself. I mean,
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Speaker 3: that's the way it should work. That's the way a good,
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Speaker 3: well functioning market should work. Is that the car companies,
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Speaker 3: the manufacturers of any good are actually there to serve
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Speaker 3: the interests of the customers, not there to serve the
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Speaker 3: interests of governments, not there to serve the interests of
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Speaker 3: activist green movements that want to establish arbitrary targets on
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Speaker 3: different numbers. What Volvo should be in the business of
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Speaker 3: doing is producing cars that people want to drive. And look,
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Speaker 3: some people are happy to drive an electric vehicle. Good
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Speaker 3: luck to them. There's no problem with that. It's a
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Speaker 3: free country. But clearly these electric vehicles are not suitable
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Speaker 3: for many people, large families, people with long commutes, people
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Speaker 3: have to in the bush up here, have to travel
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Speaker 3: long distances often to and from work and anywhere else
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Speaker 3: they want to go. It's just not going to work.
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Speaker 3: So we need to have a proper market that just
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Speaker 3: delivers for consumers. So I think that is re establishing itself.
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Speaker 3: And like all of these ridiculous targets. We're going to
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Speaker 3: see them four like dominoes in the years ahead, because
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Speaker 3: the promises we were being made will soon be bitten
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Speaker 3: by that inevitable dog called reality. That'll happen, and when
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Speaker 3: reality catches up with a lot of people will be
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Speaker 3: very embarrassed.
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Speaker 2: One of the interesting things that Volvo said in this
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Speaker 2: announcement was that they wanted stronger government policies to support electrification.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it just a fancy sounding admission that people won't
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Speaker 2: buy evs without government coercion, precisely what it's saying.
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Speaker 9: And these big car manufacturers and Bobo, by the way,
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Speaker 9: are not the first one to go down this path.
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Speaker 9: We've seen a reversing of stated ambition from a number
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Speaker 9: of the big manufacturers. They're not mugs. They're in the
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Speaker 9: business of making cars and making money. And if they're
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Speaker 9: backing away from full electric, that tells you one thing
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Speaker 9: and one thing only, it's not sustainable financially for them
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Speaker 9: in the current environment. And again it's another reason why
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Speaker 9: targets just don't work. If we're going to get there,
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Speaker 9: let's get there when we get there, But trying to
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Speaker 9: get there ahead of time can only cause these sorts
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Speaker 9: of problems, and I think what was And the other point,
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Speaker 9: of course is we don't really know what happens at
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Speaker 9: the end of the life of the battery that's in
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Speaker 9: the electric cars. Yet most people are now starting to
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Speaker 9: tell us you're going to have to throw the battery
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Speaker 9: away and probably get a brand new cars, not like
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Speaker 9: you can take the battery out and put it in.
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Speaker 9: And where does the battery go then, and what happens
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Speaker 9: to the rest of the car.
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Speaker 1: There's all of those.
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Speaker 9: Things to deal with, and that's what happens when you're
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Speaker 9: just racing ahead to targets.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, very well said. I couldn't agree more.
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Speaker 2: The dust is finally starting to settle after big after
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmer's big day out yesterday where he spun those
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Speaker 2: disastrous GDP figures as if they were some kind of achievement.
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Speaker 2: But for all the treasure's hard work, I don't think
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Speaker 2: anyone was buying what he was selling. The reaction to
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Speaker 2: the data has been less than enthusiastic. You could say, Matt,
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Speaker 2: can you claim to be winning by keeping the country
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Speaker 2: out of recession by record spending that's fueling inflation?
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Speaker 1: Well, you can't.
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Speaker 3: You can't, James, You can't because every Australian household knows
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Speaker 3: that what the Treasurer is trying to sell matches nothing.
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Speaker 1: Like the reality they're facing.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the treasure is effectively in the business now
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Speaker 3: of telling people to ignore their lying eyes. They can
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Speaker 3: see themselves their stand of living falling. And if you
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Speaker 3: look deeper into the economic statistics on a per person basis,
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Speaker 3: the standard living of the average Australian household has fallen
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Speaker 3: back to levels we hadn't seen haven't seen since twenty eleven.
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Speaker 3: We've gone back in just two years of this Labor government.
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Speaker 3: We've gone back thirteen years and that's never been just
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Speaker 3: an unprecedented reduction. And everybody can feel that. Treasure I
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Speaker 3: was trying to say, no, you've never had it better.
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Speaker 3: You've got a great government's doing great jobs.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to work.
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Speaker 3: I just think, I mean for that, I'm not in
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Speaker 3: the business of giving the Labor Party advice, but I
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Speaker 3: do think it would be better if we could find
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Speaker 3: some leaders who would tell us the truth, level with
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Speaker 3: us and then come up with real solutions, not handouts,
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Speaker 3: not little sugar hits, but real solutions that could get
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Speaker 3: us out of this hole. And the longer the Treasurer
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Speaker 3: continues to try and tell us fairy tales, the sooner
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Speaker 3: he's going to find himself having a pretty nasty ending.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Basil record spending and just bringing more and more
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Speaker 2: people into the country hardly sounds like a financial plan.
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Speaker 1: It's adding to inflation. We know that.
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Speaker 9: In nice blag Jim Chalmers, I'm tempted to say I
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Speaker 9: feel a bit sorry for him. There are some jobs
19:52
Speaker 9: from the other side of the fence that probably look
19:54
Speaker 9: like they're pretty easy when everything's going well. I'm not
19:56
Speaker 9: sure that Treasurer of this country is one of them.
19:58
Speaker 9: But I tell you what, when things aren't going so well,
20:01
Speaker 9: it doesn't look like an easy job then, and right now,
20:05
Speaker 9: Jim Chalmers looks like he's got the hardest job in
20:08
Speaker 9: the country and that he is not enjoying one bit
20:12
Speaker 9: of it. This is a tough sell and he's not
20:15
Speaker 9: doing a very good job of selling our financial position
20:18
Speaker 9: to the Australian public at the moment. Because what everyday
20:21
Speaker 9: Australians understand is the cost of living, and.
20:24
Speaker 1: Is the cost of living.
20:25
Speaker 9: Is the cost of their everyday existence going up?
20:28
Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
20:30
Speaker 9: That's the language every day Australians understand. And on that
20:33
Speaker 9: score he's being marked with a big cross.
20:36
Speaker 2: Now I've got to go to a break but before
20:38
Speaker 2: I do, Basil, I want to get your tip. I
20:40
Speaker 2: know you're an AFL lover. Who's going to win the premiership?
20:42
Speaker 2: The final start today?
20:44
Speaker 5: Who's going to win?
20:46
Speaker 9: Five teams can win it? I reckon, But Sydney have
20:49
Speaker 9: been the best team all year. So Sydney, but they're
20:52
Speaker 9: going to need a little bit of luck.
20:54
Speaker 2: There you go, all right, I'll hold you to that
20:55
Speaker 2: tip and we'll check in a few weeks whether or
20:57
Speaker 2: not you are right. Thanks, gentlemen, appreciate your time stick
21:00
Speaker 2: with us. Coming up after the break outrage over the
21:03
Speaker 2: social media history of an independent candidate running for our
21:06
Speaker 2: federal parliament, how could we allow someone who seemed to
21:09
Speaker 2: celebrate the October seven massacres go.
21:12
Speaker 5: Anywhere near Canberra?
21:14
Speaker 2: Plus Meta abandons all pretense of supporting its Jewish users.
21:18
Speaker 2: Julian Lisa will be on the show next.
21:24
Speaker 5: Well.
21:24
Speaker 2: As some of you may be aware, there's a man
21:26
Speaker 2: running for office at the next federal election who appears
21:29
Speaker 2: to have supported the murder of Israelis.
21:31
Speaker 5: On October seven.
21:33
Speaker 2: This man, a Muslim doctor named Ziad Basioni, is gunning
21:36
Speaker 2: for Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke's seat in Western Sydney.
21:40
Speaker 2: Now it's unthinkable to me that someone who shared social
21:43
Speaker 2: media posts seemingly celebrating the murders of twelve hundred Israelis
21:48
Speaker 2: could end up with a seat in the Australian Federal Parliament.
21:51
Speaker 2: And yet that's exactly what could happen. Five days after
21:55
Speaker 2: the October seven attack, Basione shared this post with his
21:59
Speaker 2: one hundred thirty two thousand followers on Facebook. It appears
22:03
Speaker 2: to celebrate the graduation of Palestinians from throwing rocks at
22:07
Speaker 2: Israelis to being able to paraglide into the Nova Music
22:10
Speaker 2: festival with machine guns, murdering four hundred young people in
22:15
Speaker 2: cold blood. The caption reads dreams, my friend come true
22:20
Speaker 2: for those who seek and work to make them come true.
22:23
Speaker 2: The guy sharing this disgusting post now dreams of sitting
22:27
Speaker 2: in our parliament. Liberal MP Julian Lisa is with me
22:31
Speaker 2: in the studio. Julian, thanks for joining me. It's just
22:34
Speaker 2: a few days ago that Azoboss Mike Burgess said anyone
22:39
Speaker 2: celebrating October seven or supporting October seven attacks on social media.
22:44
Speaker 2: Is not fit to come into this country. And yet
22:47
Speaker 2: this guy dreams of sitting in Federal Parliament.
22:49
Speaker 7: Well, I think he's not fit to sit in the
22:50
Speaker 7: Federal Parliament.
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Speaker 1: James.
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Speaker 5: If this isn't.
22:52
Speaker 7: Glorification of terrorism, I don't know what is. How could
22:56
Speaker 7: any Australian citizen possibly celebrate the murder of twelve hundred
23:02
Speaker 7: innocent people by putting up this post and think that
23:05
Speaker 7: their contribution to the Federal Parliament in any way will
23:08
Speaker 7: add to the social cohesion of this country.
23:10
Speaker 5: I think this is a disgrace.
23:11
Speaker 7: I think this man is unfit for parliament and I
23:14
Speaker 7: hope the electors of Watson do the right thing and
23:16
Speaker 7: dispatch him.
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Speaker 2: Well, I hope the electors do the right thing as well.
23:19
Speaker 2: He's running against Tony Burke, speaking of doing the right thing,
23:23
Speaker 2: he's battling to retain the seat. There's a high Muslim
23:25
Speaker 2: population in that seat. But Tony Burke has not come
23:29
Speaker 2: out and condemned this gentleman or his posts.
23:32
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly right.
23:33
Speaker 7: Tony Burke should come out and condemn this person. Tony
23:36
Speaker 7: Burke is the Minister for Home affairs. He has the
23:39
Speaker 7: social cohesion of our country as part of his responsibility.
23:42
Speaker 7: Tony Burke has protecting Australians and keeping them safe as
23:45
Speaker 7: part of his responsibility. Tony Burke needs to stop thinking
23:49
Speaker 7: about what's going on in his electorate and start thinking
23:52
Speaker 7: about the national interest. So I want to hear Tony
23:55
Speaker 7: Burke condemn this man loudly and clearly for glorifying a terrorist.
23:59
Speaker 5: Act absolutely now.
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Speaker 2: Sky News previously reported that Basioni used a separate Facebook
24:05
Speaker 2: post to share videos of people celebrating the attacks on
24:11
Speaker 2: October seven. They were celebrating in Western Sydney. These attacks
24:16
Speaker 2: have listened to what he said when asked about that, it's.
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Speaker 11: Obvious that this post was related to Palestinians celebrating being
24:29
Speaker 11: out of the cage.
24:31
Speaker 5: They've been under dures for twelve.
24:34
Speaker 2: Years, so there's his explanation. Meanwhile, the Australia Palestine Advocacy Network,
24:41
Speaker 2: who advertise that they stand for human rights and justice, well,
24:46
Speaker 2: they declined to comment when asked what they thought about
24:49
Speaker 2: these posts.
24:51
Speaker 7: I think it's a disgrace James that they've failed to comment.
24:54
Speaker 7: I think we know exactly what they think about these posts.
24:57
Speaker 7: Some of the statements by Apan in recent months. I'm
25:00
Speaker 7: saying that from the river to the sea is an
25:03
Speaker 7: acceptable phrase, talking about Israel as a claiming of state
25:08
Speaker 7: and denying the importance of a two state solution. In fact,
25:12
Speaker 7: rejecting a two state solution says that they're not playing
25:15
Speaker 7: an important role which they should be playing, which is
25:18
Speaker 7: advocating for Palestinian people, but doing so in a way
25:21
Speaker 7: that matches our foreign policy and our national interests and
25:24
Speaker 7: the social cohesion of this country.
25:25
Speaker 2: I just don't understand organizations that advertise they stand for
25:29
Speaker 2: human rights and justice but then can't condemn what appears
25:32
Speaker 2: to be people celebrating murder and terrorism.
25:37
Speaker 5: Julian, does you say sorry?
25:39
Speaker 7: Often when we talk about human rights and justice in
25:41
Speaker 7: the world today, particularly among so called human rights advocates,
25:44
Speaker 7: it's human rights for everyone else other than Jewish people,
25:47
Speaker 7: and that's the tragedy that we're seeing around the world today.
25:49
Speaker 2: Indeed, we've got numbers of Muslims saying they're going to
25:53
Speaker 2: run as independence at the next federal election. Effectively they're
25:57
Speaker 2: running on one issue, and that's Gaza.
26:00
Speaker 5: I just want to ask you.
26:00
Speaker 2: About what's happening in the UK because I think that's instructive.
26:03
Speaker 2: The labor government there has just put restrictions on sales
26:06
Speaker 2: of weapons to Israel in response essentially to domestic political
26:11
Speaker 2: pressure where they've had a lot of Muslims run for
26:13
Speaker 2: local government and at the most recent elections. My question, Julian,
26:19
Speaker 2: is are we seeing Western political systems being hijacked by
26:22
Speaker 2: a particular religious group to prosecute a foreign war against
26:27
Speaker 2: one of our own allies.
26:29
Speaker 7: James, as an Australian, I want to see my foreign policy,
26:32
Speaker 7: the foreign policy of my government based on values, and
26:36
Speaker 7: that means that Australia, like Britain, should stand with Western
26:40
Speaker 7: democratic allies like Israel, who believe in democracy, in the
26:44
Speaker 7: rule of law, in equal rights for men and women.
26:48
Speaker 7: These are some of the fundamental issues that our foreign
26:51
Speaker 7: policy should be based and we should be standing by
26:53
Speaker 7: those allies in their time of need. And we shouldn't
26:56
Speaker 7: be weakening our foreign policy to appeal to one group
26:59
Speaker 7: or another. Should be basing them on the broad, historic
27:02
Speaker 7: and enduring values of this country.
27:04
Speaker 2: We should be, but that's evidently not what's happening in
27:07
Speaker 2: the UK. My fear is we're going to experience that
27:09
Speaker 2: same trend here.
27:11
Speaker 1: Well.
27:11
Speaker 7: I think the government has been weak on these issues
27:14
Speaker 7: and I want to see the government be strong. And
27:16
Speaker 7: I don't think government members would be facing the political
27:20
Speaker 7: threats that they're facing in Western Sydney if they've been
27:22
Speaker 7: very clear, if they've been very clear from the outset
27:25
Speaker 7: that our foreign policy will not bend the noisy minorities,
27:28
Speaker 7: that it will remain traditional for Australian foreign policy, which
27:31
Speaker 7: is standing by ally Israel. But unfortunately, even before the
27:35
Speaker 7: seventh of October, we know the government has been backsliding
27:38
Speaker 7: on Israel. We know they changed the capital, we know
27:40
Speaker 7: they were renewed funding to UNRA, and of course employees
27:44
Speaker 7: were involved in the seventh of October terrorist attacks. The
27:49
Speaker 7: main headquarters was the communications center for Hamas. We know
27:52
Speaker 7: also that they've changed Australia's votes at the un This
27:55
Speaker 7: government has been backsliding on Israel long before the seventh
27:58
Speaker 7: of October because of their own Intern Labor Party constituency.
28:02
Speaker 7: This is why we really need Peter Dutton and the
28:04
Speaker 7: Coalition back in charge, because only the Coalition will guarantee
28:08
Speaker 7: that Australian foreign policy will always be based on our
28:11
Speaker 7: enduring values and interests.
28:13
Speaker 2: I want to ask you just one more question before
28:15
Speaker 2: we let you go. It's not only Western governments who
28:18
Speaker 2: appear to be abandoning Israel. Meta, who own Facebook, have
28:22
Speaker 2: just ruled that the slogan from the River to the
28:24
Speaker 2: Sea is not hate speech. The tech giants independent Oversight
28:29
Speaker 2: Board has given a free pass to Facebook and Instagram
28:31
Speaker 2: users to continue.
28:33
Speaker 5: Using that phrase in their posts.
28:34
Speaker 2: I love this as long as the posts don't glorify
28:37
Speaker 2: a mus or incite violence. So you can say death
28:40
Speaker 2: to Israel as long as you.
28:41
Speaker 10: Say it nicely.
28:42
Speaker 7: This is the most ridiculous decision of Meta. And as
28:45
Speaker 7: we know, social media companies do not have the interests
28:48
Speaker 7: of communities and countries like Australia at heart. They are
28:52
Speaker 7: just interested in profit and interested in controversy.
28:55
Speaker 5: But this is a terrible.
28:56
Speaker 7: Thing to allow to continue. This is a violent phrase
28:59
Speaker 7: from the river of the sea. It calls for the
29:01
Speaker 7: violent destruction of Israel. It's not about having two people
29:06
Speaker 7: in a two state solution. And when you actually go
29:08
Speaker 7: to the original Arabic, it means from water to water,
29:12
Speaker 7: Palestine will remain Arab.
29:14
Speaker 1: That's what it means.
29:15
Speaker 7: It's not about being free, it's about being one unitary
29:19
Speaker 7: Arab state and that's not what Australia has been looking for.
29:22
Speaker 1: That's not what I've.
29:22
Speaker 7: Been looking for, that's not what the world's been looking for.
29:25
Speaker 7: And this is a hateful phrase. It calls for the
29:27
Speaker 7: violent destruction of the Jewish people. The Prime Minister is
29:30
Speaker 7: right to call it out months ago. The Senate, in
29:32
Speaker 7: a bipartisan resolution that was opposed by the Greens, was
29:36
Speaker 7: right to describe it as such, and Meta as a laggard,
29:39
Speaker 7: as they are in so many areas.
29:41
Speaker 5: Indeed, Julian Lisa, thanks so much for joining me tonight.
29:44
Speaker 5: Thanks James. Well still to come.
29:47
Speaker 2: I'll cross live to the United States to discuss the
29:49
Speaker 2: latest in the presidential election with Adam Crichton. But first
29:54
Speaker 2: the bizarre way the BBC is trying to save money
29:57
Speaker 2: firing hundreds of its staff and replace them with diversity hires.
30:02
Speaker 2: I'll discuss that with my panel right after this short break.
30:08
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Lots more to get through tonight, so let's
30:10
Speaker 2: jump straight into it with commentator Jason Morrison and The
30:13
Speaker 2: Australian's National Affairs editor Joe Kelly.
30:16
Speaker 5: Gentlemen, thanks for joining me.
30:18
Speaker 2: I want to return to today's main story, the shock
30:21
Speaker 2: retirement of Bill Shorten. Here were his passing words on
30:25
Speaker 2: his legacy achievements.
30:27
Speaker 4: What we did three weeks ago in the Parliament has
30:31
Speaker 4: meant that we will be able to set this on
30:34
Speaker 4: a direction where the scheme will be true to its
30:35
Speaker 4: original purpose, where the shanks and frauds are evicted, and
30:39
Speaker 4: we'll start focusing on outcomes for people. And I'm absolutely
30:44
Speaker 4: positive about the bright horizon for the NDIS. I've had
30:48
Speaker 4: the very very very privileged position to lead labor. I've
30:53
Speaker 4: had the chance to help the victims of robodebt.
30:58
Speaker 2: So there you go, Bill short riding off into the sunset. Jason,
31:01
Speaker 2: did you see this coming?
31:03
Speaker 5: No? I mean, I'm not going to be smart and
31:05
Speaker 5: so yeah, but I set you up beautiful there. You
31:08
Speaker 5: could have been a great.
31:09
Speaker 6: That he stopped giving two thirds of you know what
31:11
Speaker 6: a while back when he was confronted with the NDOS
31:15
Speaker 6: and the absolute sandwich that that is. I got the
31:19
Speaker 6: feeling the guy was kind of almost you know, he
31:22
Speaker 6: knew he was fixed, and I sense he thinks they're
31:26
Speaker 6: fixed too, And that's part of it. And you know,
31:29
Speaker 6: if you're at Bill Shorten's agent stage in politics, with
31:33
Speaker 6: probably no chance of being Prime Minister, which you know,
31:36
Speaker 6: if it hadn't been for bow And, he probably would
31:38
Speaker 6: have ended up Prime minister once upon a time. I
31:40
Speaker 6: would think there's probably just something that goes on your head,
31:42
Speaker 6: you say, there's got to be better things out there.
31:44
Speaker 6: So now he's going off into academia, and aren't we
31:46
Speaker 6: lucky as a country?
31:48
Speaker 1: You know what?
31:48
Speaker 6: Can he run a course in the public maladministration or something.
31:53
Speaker 6: It is extraordinary how these people graduate on to bigger
31:55
Speaker 6: and better things all the time, and the good old
31:58
Speaker 6: taxpayer has to sit there and pay for it.
32:00
Speaker 10: But you know, it's an impossible task.
32:03
Speaker 6: The NDI is impossible, and I think he has tried very,
32:06
Speaker 6: very hard, and it's kind of tragic it away because
32:08
Speaker 6: I mean, I know you won't with any friends on
32:10
Speaker 6: the sky and newsed by telling you that Bill Shorton
32:11
Speaker 6: actually is quite a decent man. And I've always found
32:14
Speaker 6: him to be you all the good qualities you want't
32:16
Speaker 6: a politician, except when it comes to judgment of character.
32:20
Speaker 10: And he has allowed and he allowed.
32:22
Speaker 6: Himself to get knocked out of the game by promoting
32:24
Speaker 6: a deal like Bowen to where Bowen got to at
32:26
Speaker 6: one stage.
32:27
Speaker 5: And he genuinely cares about the genuinely believes in it.
32:31
Speaker 2: Joe, let me go to you, what would you say
32:34
Speaker 2: Bill Shorten's legacy will be.
32:38
Speaker 10: Oh, look, that's a that's a really good question.
32:42
Speaker 12: I think Bill Shorten will be remembered for this overwhelming
32:45
Speaker 12: and expansive sense of political ambition. And while the announcement
32:51
Speaker 12: today I think was surprising from some perspectives, it wasn't
32:56
Speaker 12: really because I think it's an admission that he knows
32:58
Speaker 12: he's never going to be minister. So Bill Shorton came
33:02
Speaker 12: into Parliament in two thousand and seven, He's immediately made
33:04
Speaker 12: a Parliamentary secretary. He then very quickly gets involved in
33:08
Speaker 12: the leadership machinations, plotting to overturn Kevin Rudd. And when
33:16
Speaker 12: Labor lost the twenty thirteen election, he was in that
33:19
Speaker 12: runoff against Anthony Albanesi. And I actually think if he
33:23
Speaker 12: sat back at that time and let Anthony Albanese go
33:26
Speaker 12: on to lead the Labor Party, I think there's a
33:30
Speaker 12: good chance that Bill Shorton might actually have ended up
33:32
Speaker 12: being Prime Minister today.
33:35
Speaker 10: So look, I.
33:36
Speaker 12: Think his career was driven by this sense of aspiration
33:43
Speaker 12: to achievement, and I think that's sort of the defining
33:48
Speaker 12: characteristic of Bill Short he didn't want to leave anything
33:53
Speaker 12: wanting in his political career.
33:56
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of leaving things wanting, let's talk about local
33:59
Speaker 2: government for second. The City Morning Herald is reporting that
34:02
Speaker 2: misbehaving counselors would face fine, suspensions or disqualification from public
34:08
Speaker 2: office under a proposed suite of reforms aimed at streamlining
34:12
Speaker 2: accountability and instilling transparency in local government. So basically what
34:17
Speaker 2: they're going to do, Jason, is they're going to come
34:19
Speaker 2: up with a simplified code of conducts Now, that sounds great,
34:22
Speaker 2: but I was amazing.
34:24
Speaker 10: It's a one pager.
34:25
Speaker 5: Well, there'll be two pages.
34:28
Speaker 2: I was fascinated to read today the existing code of
34:30
Speaker 2: Conduct for councilors in New South Wales.
34:32
Speaker 5: It runs to one hundred pages.
34:34
Speaker 6: Which is not bad because I'd say overwhelming most of
34:37
Speaker 6: them can't read.
34:38
Speaker 1: We have a remarkable ruling.
34:40
Speaker 6: Class in this country except in local government. When you
34:43
Speaker 6: realize you think you've got B graders in Canberra or
34:45
Speaker 6: in your state parliament, go ahea, a look at your
34:47
Speaker 6: local council.
34:48
Speaker 10: This is pretty amazing.
34:50
Speaker 6: This will be weaponized, for sure, It'll be weaponized if
34:54
Speaker 6: you want to look at the bitchiness of politics in
34:56
Speaker 6: its ugliness. You look at local government, they are disgrace
35:00
Speaker 6: full towards each other and throw dung at each other
35:02
Speaker 6: all the time. And most of the time, of course,
35:05
Speaker 6: you know where the financiers of these little games are
35:09
Speaker 6: going with these people that spend time in there talking
35:11
Speaker 6: about the Gaza strip and whatever as opposed.
35:13
Speaker 5: To the nature strip.
35:14
Speaker 6: I think it's kind of amusing, and you know what
35:17
Speaker 6: else is amusing. And I'm sorry to get personal on this,
35:20
Speaker 6: but most people should actually google Ron Honig, who is
35:23
Speaker 6: the local government Minister in New South Wales, and look
35:26
Speaker 6: at his local government career. A man who was not
35:29
Speaker 6: contested as a mayor and sometimes didn't even need to
35:31
Speaker 6: have elections because somehow they figured out a way of
35:34
Speaker 6: scaring all the other candidates away in the local government
35:37
Speaker 6: seat of Botany. It was pretty extraordinary to see that
35:41
Speaker 6: man is now the local government ministry in New South
35:44
Speaker 6: Wales because he knows the game better than anybody else.
35:47
Speaker 6: And when I say the game, I mean the game.
35:49
Speaker 6: It is extraordinary.
35:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you see local governments doing crazy things and
35:53
Speaker 2: you never really see local government ministers getting involved.
35:56
Speaker 5: Joe, I've got an idea.
35:58
Speaker 2: I want to run past you okay, So thinking about
36:00
Speaker 2: this all day, I want your thoughts.
36:02
Speaker 5: They're saying they're going to.
36:03
Speaker 2: Have three tests for alleged misbehavior, conduct unbecoming, conduct that
36:08
Speaker 2: brings the council into disrepute, and conduct that.
36:11
Speaker 5: Is outside the norms that's.
36:14
Speaker 2: Expected, but I want to add three more Code of
36:16
Speaker 2: Conduct violations.
36:17
Speaker 5: Give me your thoughts.
36:18
Speaker 2: Trying to rewrite Australian history, taking positions on foreign affairs,
36:23
Speaker 2: and flying flags other than the Australian flag, they should
36:26
Speaker 2: be Code of Conduct breaches as well.
36:28
Speaker 12: What do you say, Oh, look, I totally agree.
36:33
Speaker 10: I think local government's very important.
36:35
Speaker 12: I think one of the shames is that it often
36:39
Speaker 12: gets left out of the debate. But local government is
36:43
Speaker 12: responsible for steering local communities, you know.
36:46
Speaker 10: Roads, rates and rubbish.
36:48
Speaker 12: It's important that we have good people on local councils
36:51
Speaker 12: making these decisions and a lot of the time I
36:54
Speaker 12: think it's sometimes.
36:55
Speaker 10: Falls through the cracks.
36:57
Speaker 12: But one of the I think to disturbing things is
37:01
Speaker 12: that there's this tendency to focus on things other than
37:04
Speaker 12: the bread and butter issues, So things like the date
37:09
Speaker 12: of Australia Day, things like what's going on in the
37:12
Speaker 12: Middle East in relation to Israel, in relation to Gaza.
37:16
Speaker 12: So I mean, I don't think that should be the
37:20
Speaker 12: core business of local government, and I think it's a
37:24
Speaker 12: shame that too often we hear local government straying into
37:28
Speaker 12: these diversions when their job is critically important for the
37:32
Speaker 12: basic efficient functioning of our societies and for individual people.
37:37
Speaker 2: Well, while we're talking about local government, it's a perfect
37:40
Speaker 2: segue into artificial intelligence, Joe. You reported today that Labor
37:46
Speaker 2: is immediately introducing voluntary AI safeguards as it looks at
37:51
Speaker 2: some different measures to mitigate the risks that come when
37:54
Speaker 2: using AI. Just quickly, what are the big risks for
37:58
Speaker 2: consumers now that so many businesses are using AI, and
38:01
Speaker 2: how would a voluntary code as suggested by the government
38:05
Speaker 2: mitigate those risks.
38:08
Speaker 12: Well, look, I think the main thing firstly is that
38:11
Speaker 12: this is a voluntary code. So they've done another report
38:16
Speaker 12: that will go out for consultation for at least another
38:18
Speaker 12: four weeks, and then the government will have to consider
38:23
Speaker 12: the regulatory response. So this is a very complicated issue.
38:29
Speaker 12: AI will affect all levels of our society, in our economy,
38:34
Speaker 12: and it's going to require a pretty comprehensive regulatory response.
38:38
Speaker 12: So they're looking at whether there'll be a standalone AI
38:40
Speaker 12: Act or whether you have some sort of other approach
38:44
Speaker 12: to individual legislation where you're adapting individual regulations to adjust
38:51
Speaker 12: for this new revolution. But none of that's happening at
38:53
Speaker 12: the moment. There is a voluntary code of conduct that's
38:57
Speaker 12: being introduced.
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Speaker 10: So I think the.
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Speaker 12: Issue is that Ed Husick needs to get his skates
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Speaker 12: on and we should have a plan. And I think
39:07
Speaker 12: it would be ideal if that plan was presented this
39:10
Speaker 12: side of the election.
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Speaker 2: Whenever they talk about, you know, governments wanting to protect
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Speaker 2: us from AI, all I can think of is the
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Speaker 2: Biden administration appointing Kamala Harris to protect humanity from AI.
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Speaker 6: God help us step further E Karen E Karen, Yeah,
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Speaker 6: good call' that'll be the the boss of the AI
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Speaker 6: world and.
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Speaker 10: God help Australia.
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Speaker 1: That'll be leave us being.
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Speaker 10: Pulled everywhere about it.
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Speaker 6: That's maazing how they want to get involved in everything,
39:37
Speaker 6: but about five years too late.
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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, right.
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Speaker 2: Let's let's go to the UK where the BBC are
39:44
Speaker 2: saying that five hundred do staff will lose their jobs
39:47
Speaker 2: over the next two years to help them with their
39:50
Speaker 2: bottom line. But it's not all bad news for the BBC.
39:53
Speaker 2: They can't afford to pay five hundred staff who there
39:56
Speaker 2: letting go, but they can afford to spend eight hundred
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Speaker 2: million pounds year on diversity programs, you know, the stuff
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Speaker 2: that really matters, eighty million pounds a year.
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Speaker 6: Sorry, did we say BBC or ABC because this sounds remarkable.
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Speaker 5: It's just like you've got the currencies.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's the same all over the world with national broadcasters. Joe,
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Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, But it's the BBC eventually
40:20
Speaker 2: firing staff and just replacing them with newer woker dei
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Speaker 2: hires instead.
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Speaker 12: Well, look, we had a similar thing that happened at
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Speaker 12: the ABC when they got rid of Andrew Proben and
40:32
Speaker 12: replaced him with you know, digital producers. I think one
40:37
Speaker 12: of the issues for mainstream media organizations today is that
40:40
Speaker 12: we do have to do more with less.
40:42
Speaker 10: There are more people.
40:43
Speaker 12: Tuning out of mainstream media looking at other sources of media.
40:47
Speaker 12: But public broadcasters, compared at least to the private sector,
40:51
Speaker 12: in a relatively luxurious position. And you think that if
40:56
Speaker 12: there are going to be cuts, if they're going to
40:58
Speaker 12: lay people off in journal are going to be out
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Speaker 12: of work, you'd at least think that they're managing their
41:03
Speaker 12: budgets effectively and not wasting it on diversity programs.
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Speaker 10: So those are my thoughts on that.
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Speaker 2: Well, their diversity programs, Jackson, are very important to them
41:12
Speaker 2: because they want twenty five percent of all their staff
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Speaker 2: to either be ethnic, disabled or from a lower socio
41:21
Speaker 2: economic part of town. Is that a good plan for
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Speaker 2: building a news organization?
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Speaker 6: Well, look, I can only relate the Australian experience the
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Speaker 6: removal of the was it pale, stale and mails out
41:34
Speaker 6: of the ABC. They did plenty of that and they
41:37
Speaker 6: moved a lot of people on and all that's happened
41:39
Speaker 6: is the organization has gone of the shit. And the
41:41
Speaker 6: whole problem I think with the ABC at the moment
41:44
Speaker 6: is it's got too many people. I mean, they might
41:46
Speaker 6: have a lot of diversity, but it doesn't have a
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Speaker 6: lot of integrity. And the diversity they always talk about,
41:51
Speaker 6: it's always about skin color, or it's always about ethnicity
41:54
Speaker 6: or accents whatever. It's never about diversity of views. And
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Speaker 6: you know, I overthink the British public probably would love
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Speaker 6: to see its national broadcast, which by the way, is
42:04
Speaker 6: vastly better than our national broadcast with this country and
42:06
Speaker 6: more popular and viewed. But I think they'd like to
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Speaker 6: see it diverse in its attitude as opposed to just
42:13
Speaker 6: looking at things, because things are a little deeper than
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Speaker 6: skin deep. And you know, it's quite amusing to watch
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Speaker 6: what we know doesn't work in Australia now go on
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Speaker 6: in other parts of the world.
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Speaker 1: And you know, God help the.
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Speaker 6: BBC, because it actually kind of matters to the world,
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Speaker 6: the BBC, and it's tragic in a way that they're
42:29
Speaker 6: going to screw that one.
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Speaker 5: Up to Yeah, it does.
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Speaker 2: Jason and Joe, thanks for joining me tonight. I appreciate
42:34
Speaker 2: your time. Well still to come. Kamala Harris's running mate
42:37
Speaker 2: Tim Waltz is humiliated as eight family members publicly declare
42:41
Speaker 2: their support for Donald Trump. Plus how the latest poles
42:45
Speaker 2: are playing out. All of that in just a moment
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Speaker 2: with Adam Crichton. Okay, well, let's turn our attention to
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Speaker 2: the US, where Donald Trump has unleashed on Kamala Harris
42:55
Speaker 2: and Tim Waltz during a town hall moderated by Fox News.
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Speaker 4: Snippet this conjury will end up in a depression if
43:04
Speaker 4: she becomes president.
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Speaker 2: Like nineteen twenty nine, This will be a nineteen twenty
43:09
Speaker 2: nine depression.
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Speaker 5: She has no idea what the hell she's doing. So
43:14
Speaker 5: there you go. Let's cross live to Washington, d C.
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Speaker 2: Where I'm joined by the Australians correspondent there, Adam Crichton.
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Speaker 5: Adam, great to see you.
43:22
Speaker 2: It was a pretty friendly event, but it was another
43:25
Speaker 2: opportunity for Trump to blast Kamala, wasn't it.
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Speaker 13: Well, certainly it was a friendly event, but at least
43:32
Speaker 13: he's doing events. I mean, he's been doing so many
43:35
Speaker 13: interviews recently. And it was no surprise that it was
43:37
Speaker 13: held in Pennsylvania because that state is just so crucial
43:41
Speaker 13: really to this election. I mean, it's a state that
43:42
Speaker 13: Democrats have won in every election since nineteen eighty eight
43:46
Speaker 13: except for twenty sixteen, which of course was when Trump won,
43:49
Speaker 13: and pretty much whoever wins that state this time will
43:53
Speaker 13: probably win the presidential election. Now, the problem with the
43:56
Speaker 13: vice president is she has a huge shortcoming there.
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Speaker 10: Because it's a state that's fairly.
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Speaker 13: Dependent on fracking, and she has said previously that she's
44:04
Speaker 13: opposed to fracking, so that's what Trump is really hammering
44:07
Speaker 13: her over now.
44:09
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Harris's running mate Tim Walls Hees nursing a Bruce ego.
44:14
Speaker 2: After some of his relatives from Nebraska openly declared their
44:17
Speaker 2: support for Donald Trump. They've even posted a family photo
44:21
Speaker 2: wearing Trump shirts. Now, Charles Herbster posted the image of
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Speaker 2: eight family members distant supposedly to the Minnesota governor, wearing
44:30
Speaker 2: matching tops which say Nebraska Waltz's family for Trump. Adam,
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Speaker 2: it's going to be an awkward Christmas if the Democrats lose,
44:38
Speaker 2: isn't it?
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Speaker 10: Yeah?
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Speaker 13: Certainly that is very embarrassing. And the photo was so
44:44
Speaker 13: embarrassing people thought that it might have been fake, but
44:46
Speaker 13: it is apparently real.
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Speaker 5: You know what's funny about that is.
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Speaker 13: Most of the media over here is all over the
44:52
Speaker 13: nieces and nephews of Donald Trump, who of course hate him.
44:55
Speaker 13: They're always saying that, but so far they haven't been
44:57
Speaker 13: all over this photo, so they should be.
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Speaker 1: And actually, it's worth.
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Speaker 13: Pointing out it's not just the Waltzes, it's also Barack Obama's.
45:04
Speaker 13: His older half brother has also been tweeting that he'll
45:07
Speaker 13: be supporting Trump. So a few issues with family members
45:11
Speaker 13: on the campaign.
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Speaker 5: What did I say? You can't choose your family?
45:16
Speaker 2: A new see an end poll has found that there's
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Speaker 2: no clear favorite across all six battleground states, with Harris
45:22
Speaker 2: leading in Wisconsin and Michigan, Trump taking the advantage in Arizona,
45:26
Speaker 2: and voters split almost evenly in Georgia, Nevada, and Pennsylvania.
45:31
Speaker 2: There's lots of poles saying all sorts of things. What's
45:34
Speaker 2: your read on the situation as it currently stands.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, the polls generally show that Kamala Harris is
45:42
Speaker 13: ahead by one or two percentage points, but that is
45:45
Speaker 13: just the margin of error. I mean, personally, I prefer
45:47
Speaker 13: to look at the bedding markets, and if you look
45:49
Speaker 13: at those, Trump is actually slightly ahead. I mean the
45:52
Speaker 13: average at the moment of the major eight bookies in
45:54
Speaker 13: the US that offer odds on this he's on forty
45:57
Speaker 13: nine points seven percent chance of winning and she's on
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Speaker 13: forty nine percent.
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Speaker 1: So it's still extremely close. But it's just.
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Speaker 13: Important to point out that the betting markets move faster,
46:06
Speaker 13: and they're probably taken into account the Robert F. Kennedy effect,
46:10
Speaker 13: which some of those polls have not taken into account.
46:12
Speaker 13: Of course, he's dropped out and he's joined the Trump campaign.
46:14
Speaker 13: So look just extremely extremely close. With two months ago,
46:19
Speaker 13: I mean, it's really all down. I think at this
46:21
Speaker 13: point to the debate on Tuesday night next week, that's
46:24
Speaker 13: going to be such an important event for both candidates.
46:27
Speaker 2: All Right, I want to ask you quickly about Republican
46:29
Speaker 2: former Representative Liz Cheney. She's just announced that she'll vote
46:34
Speaker 2: Democrat at the election.
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Speaker 5: Have a listen, as is the danger that Donald Trump poses.
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Speaker 14: Not only am I not voting for Donald Trump, but
46:44
Speaker 14: I am voting for comments.
46:48
Speaker 2: Well, it's nice, but of course, back in twenty twenty,
46:51
Speaker 2: Liz Cheney was calling Kamala Harris a radical liberal who
46:54
Speaker 2: was further to left than Bernie Sanders.
46:56
Speaker 5: Here she is in.
46:57
Speaker 14: One foul sweep. Here he has put somebody on the
46:59
Speaker 14: tech whose voting record in the Senate is to the
47:02
Speaker 14: left of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. So I think that,
47:06
Speaker 14: you know, the American people are going to look at
47:07
Speaker 14: the substance of this. They're going to look at what
47:09
Speaker 14: she stood for in the past, They're going to look
47:11
Speaker 14: at what she said during the primary election, and it's
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Speaker 14: very clear she is a radical liberal.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're allowed to change your mind. But what
47:21
Speaker 2: is going on there.
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Speaker 13: Well, she's probably auditioning for a cabinet spot.
47:27
Speaker 1: Actually, I would say.
47:28
Speaker 13: If Kamala Harris wins. I mean, the Vice President said
47:32
Speaker 13: recently that she would have a Republican into her cabinet,
47:34
Speaker 13: and I think Liz Cheney would be the perfect option
47:36
Speaker 13: for her. She's hated Trump for a very very long time,
47:39
Speaker 13: so it was really no surprise that she's come out
47:41
Speaker 13: against him, and I don't think it's going to make
47:43
Speaker 13: any difference at all to the votes.
47:45
Speaker 2: And we've got about thirty seconds left. I just want
47:48
Speaker 2: to get one final thought. Obviously, the next big event
47:50
Speaker 2: is the debate. What if each candidate got to win
47:55
Speaker 2: and lose from that debate just in thirty seconds.
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Speaker 13: Well, look, I think all the pressure is going to
48:01
Speaker 13: be on Donald Trump there. The media is going to
48:03
Speaker 13: be very inclined here to say that he lost, so
48:06
Speaker 13: he really has to put in a sterling performance. He
48:08
Speaker 13: can't be too rude, but he can't be too soft,
48:11
Speaker 13: so I think he'd be very anxious about it. So look,
48:13
Speaker 13: I think we're all going to be watching. It's going
48:14
Speaker 13: to be extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: TV is absolutely going to be must watch television. Adam Crichton,
48:20
Speaker 2: thanks so much for your time. It's always an absolute
48:23
Speaker 2: pleasure to speak with you. Well, that's it from me.
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Speaker 2: Sharry Markson will be back next week. But don't go anywhere,
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Speaker 2: because coming right up is the wonderful Paul Murray