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Mega Edition: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 20-22) (5/20/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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where we left off with the tovin Owel deposition with
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the OIG Inspectors. Okay, the recorder is back on. It's
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two twenty eight pm again, Miss Noel. You're under oath
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and this is a voluntary interview. Thank you for your cooperation.
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All right, So if you don't mind, just all the
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documents I am in front of you, can you just
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initial and date those just again so that we know
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what it is that you are looking at during the interview.
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Thank you very much for initialing and dating all of those.
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All right. We're just going to talk briefly about the
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shoe layout. These are papers that have the shoe layout. Now,
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are these just for your reference if you need to
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look at them. Are the CEOs assigned to the shoe
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located together on one social, one centralized location, So the
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officers that are working in the shoe are you all together?
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You mentioned that there's a desk in the shape of
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an L. Noel, yes, question, is everybody together at that
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location when you're not doing rounds and counts? Noel? I
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mean not really somebody could go upstairs to the bathroom. Question. Okay,
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during your shift on the tenth, is that where you
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and aside from when you said you helped redact it out,
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is that where the two you and Thomas were located
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at that one central area? There is not another officers
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station though, correct? Noel, no question, there's just one station. Noel.
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There's one question? Okay? And approximately how many computers are
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there at that station? Noel? About three? Question? Three? And
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you said no one had like an assigned computer, Noel,
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No question. Oh, I see doesn't have a computer. Everyone
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just uses one computer. Noel. Uh huh. Question what can
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you see from the desk in the shoe? Can you
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just mark on there where is the actual l desk
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set up located? So it's the two floors, the two layers.
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I don't know if you're able to look at the
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l tier where Epstein was, that might give you like
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what's the first and what's the second? Is it correct
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that he was on the second level Noel, yes, question
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and was he an el tier? So that might help
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you out to be able to differentiate between you see
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where the cells start with like a letter and then
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a number. Noel, Yeah, question. So that will probably help
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you be able to decipher what the first level and
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what's the second level the union wrap pipes in. Do
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you know what you're looking at? Noel? Uh huh okay?
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Question so can you figure out by looking at that?
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So if the one that begins with L, that would
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be the second level, do you follow that? Noel? Yes? Question?
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And then there's the first level. Is there actually almost
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like a third level where the officers sit is like
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two different the way it's tiered? Noel, No, it's on
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the main level. Okay. So where the first set of
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inmates are Noel, see it stars, You've got to go
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down and you've got to go up. Question right, Okay, Noel,
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So it's not where we're sitting. You've got to go
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down and you've got to go up to get to
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the cell question. Okay, So on that, looking at like
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the first level of inmates, can you just kind of
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identify where it is that L shape setup is? Noel
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over here? Question? Can you just market maybe like an
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X or a circle or something? Okay, thank you? And
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from where you're sitting, can you see all the cell
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doors from there? Noel? Not all? Question? Not all? Could
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you see the door to Epstein sell from there, Noel. Yeah.
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Question all right, can you mark on there or you
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would call Epstein to have been all right? Thank you?
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And does that have a cell number on it? Question?
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I think those numbers correspond with this Noel. Foy kicks
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in because I'm thinking, is it because you have to
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be able to see in there? Union Rep. This is
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your Uni entrance. This is where you enter. This is
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L tier right, you walk in L MJK. So if
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this is Jay, this is you walking into a housing unit.
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Noel indiscernible by turning left, Union Rep. Yeah. So question
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and maybe put X and a circle just so you
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know what it is that you changed. Foy, put a
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circle around that X and that will be the desk question.
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All right? And then is it correct where you identify
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Noel Epstein? Question Epstein? What number is that? Noel nine
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eighty eight? Question you believe that he was in? Was
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that L nine eighty eight? Noel? I don't remember the
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number that he was in. I just know when you
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go up the stairs, it's the first one on the right. Redacted.
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Let me just so that we're not I just want
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to make sure that we're not Okay, so they don't
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actually correspond with the numbers. Noel, no indiscernible question. Do
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you remember what room is was in? Noel on El
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tier question yeah, El Tier, Noel, the first cell on
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the right. Question. Do you know the room number by
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any chance? Noel, Oh, I don't know the room number? Question? Okay. Question,
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but you could see his actual door from where you
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were sitting, Noel, yeah. Question okay. And could you see
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inside his cell from where you were sitting Noel, no question.
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No Approximately again we're talking about like that's where the
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shower was what you were talking about. Approximately? How far
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was epstein cell from where you were seated, Noel, like
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to where the chair is? Question? Ten to fifteen feet?
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Noel probably question. Okay, all right, So the reason why
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I'm asking that, did you or anyone else ever go
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in or out of Epstein's cell on August tenth, twenty nineteen, Noel,
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No question. And would you have known if someone else did? Noel? Yeah.
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Question Okay, while you were physically present in the shoe,
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of course. Noel. Yeah. Question. And you said that the
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only times you weren't present in the shoe on August
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or let's talk from you said ten pm. Is that
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the last time around ten pm is the last time
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that you saw Noel Yeah. Question from ten pm until
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approximately six thirty three am? What time did you when
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did you leave the shoe? I know one time you
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said that you helped with the counts up in ten South,
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and you may have said that you were gone in
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the bathroom. When would those times have occurred? Noel three
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or right after three five or around after five going
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to the bathroom? I don't remember the time? Question? Okay,
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so around three am, around five am, and then one
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other time to use the restroom Noel yeah. Question. And
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where's the restroom located in the shoe? Noel, upstairs where
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I go to count question? Okay, But Thomas was present
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any time that you were there, Noel, Yeah, although he
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may have been sleeping Noel yeah. Question okay. And if
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you or the people that we've talked about, you said
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that the lieutenant visited the shoe approximately at four am.
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That was Lieutenant redacted? Noel, Yes. Question who else from
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ten pm until six thirty three am, we're in the
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shoe Noel indiscernible question, Well, so redacted left around ten Noel,
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uh huh. Question redacted left around twelve? Anyone else Noel,
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no question? What about when redacted came to the shoe?
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So I just want to make sure I know we've
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discussed some of this stuff. Noel. Oh, you're talking about
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the people that's working there. Question everybody that's been in
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the shoe. So there's you, there's Thomas. Who else was
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actually in the shoe from ten pm the last time
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you saw Epstein until about six thirty pm when he
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was discovered? Noel, Lieutenant redacted and redacted? Question and redacted? Noel,
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he left at ten? Question? At ten? So at ten
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he left? They're the only other people there, Noel. That's it? Question? Okay?
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No one else, Noel, no one else? Question? And you're
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confident positive about that? Noel? Yes? Question? All right? And
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did any of those other individuals that visited the shoe
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go near Epstein cell Noel, no question. So no one
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even went near it? Noel, no question? Let alone go
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in it? Noel, no question. No one went in it? Noel,
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no question. Okay, that's all we need to talk about
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with the shoe. Do you mind just initially and dating that,
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and are you aware? I guess the other thing that
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I will ask is I know I asked you when
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you were there, but when you were gone to do
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the counts in ten South as well as use the restroom?
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Are you aware of anyone visiting the shoe during those times? Noel,
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no question. No okay, question by somebody else. I have
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a follow up question. When you left to go assist,
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did you take the keys with you? Noel? Yeah. Question.
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So could mister Thomas have let anyone in or out?
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Noell know? Question so he wouldn't have had the ability
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to let anyone in based upon you having the keys
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the whole time? Noel? Yeah. Question. And did you have
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the keys because you were shoe officer number one? Noel,
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I guess, I mean I just had them. Question Okay,
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there wasn't a discussion like Shoe one I get the keys? Noel,
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no question. Do you know that Shoe one is supposed
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to be the one that has the keys? Do you
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know that? Noel? I think so. Question Okay, do you
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know if you had any conversation with Thomas about if
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you had the keys or if he had the keys? Noel,
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no question. Okay anyone that entered or exited the shoe
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that day? Are you the one that let them in
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are out? Noel, Yeah. Question, Thomas didn't let anybody in
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or out? Noel, no question. Okay. Are you a aware
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of any cameras that we're not recording within the shoe
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on August ninth or tenth, twenty nineteen, Noel, no question.
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You're not aware? Are you aware at this point, not
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just at the time, but are you aware now if
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any cameras were not recording? Noel, I mean I'm aware now. Question,
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That's what I mean. What are you aware of now? Noel?
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I don't know, like what specifically. I just heard that
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some of the cameras were not working as far as
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which ones she's cut off, But do you know which ones? Noel?
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No question. Okay, And at the time you didn't know, Noel,
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no question. So you don't know if they weren't working
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when they stop working, Noel, No question. Are there any
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like do you have the ability to monitor cameras from
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the shoe? Noel, no question. So if you're sitting in there,
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there's not like camera down range that you can, like
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you can see what's going on in each range? Noel,
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no question. No do you know if someone is live
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monitoring either anywhere in the shoe or during operations. Noel,
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I don't know. Question. You don't know if you're being
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monitored or if the inmates are being monitored. Noel, I
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don't know. I know there's cameras on the tiers. Question, right,
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but do you know if anyone's watching them live? Noel, Oh,
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I don't know. Question, You don't And you don't know
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if there is any camera pointed at you at the
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desk area Noel, Oh, I don't know. Question. And you
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don't know if anybody is watching those either, Noel, I
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don't know. Question. I think it'll be fine. So are
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you not? We can just skip the rest of those questions.
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You're not aware of the cameras at the time not working, Noel.
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No question, So no one reported to you and you
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didn't report it to anyone else, Noel, No I didn't
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know anything about cameras. Question all right, And we talked
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a little bit about sleeping on duty, So it sounds
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like Thomas was asleep pretty much the entire shift then, Noel. Yeah.
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Question from pretty much twelve am Noel until he went upstairs.
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Question until he went upstairs, went upstairs to do? What
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to feed? Noel? To relieve redacted. Question to relieve redacted?
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All right, I might be getting confused. I thought you
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were relieved redacted. Question. She went up there to do
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the count. Then redacted reached out to her to ask
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her to relieve him. She called the lieutenant. Verified with
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the lieutenant, and then mister Thomas went up to relieve him.
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Question Okay, and around what time was that? Noel? After five? Question? Okay,
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so basically from twelve to about five he was sleeping, Noel.
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I mean in intervals, like I tapped him, he kind
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of woke up. Question right, Noel, but he went back
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to sleep. Question Okay, but he wasn't doing his duties,
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he was sleeping, Noel. Correct question. Did you sleep during
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your shift? Noel? No question, You didn't sleep at all, Noel.
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No question. For the period that you were sitting at
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the desk for like two hours without moving, were you awake? Noel? Yeah,
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on my computer. Question you were on the computer. Were
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you and Thomas seated next to each other? Noel. No,
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we were seated next to each other, but not facing
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each other, like he was faced that way, I was
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faced the other way. Question Okay, close proximity to one another? Noel. Yeah,
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like he's there and I'm here. Question, So about three
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or four feet from each other? Noel. Yeah, but the
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back is turned because he's that way and I was
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this way. Question. Okay, but you were not asleep, Noel,
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No question. Now, are you guys authorized to sleep in
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the shoe? Noel, no question. No. And have you ever
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fallen to sleep previously while on duty at the MCC Noel,
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Not in the shoe. Question, not in the shoe, but
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other places? Noel? Yeah. Question where would you where did
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you sleep at other places? Noel? Where did I fall asleep? Question?
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Uh huh? Noel on a regular housing unit? Question the
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regular housing unit? Noel, yeah. Question, can you just give
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me a little more information on that? What do you
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mean were you allowed to sleep there? Noel? No question?
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And where we're indiscernible Noel, Like, I work consecutively, like
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five days of overtime, and I would like those off,
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caught myself like, but not sleep question? Okay, so you've
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fallen asleep and other housing units? Noel liked thosed off
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question right because you were overworked? Noel? Yeah, when I
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work like three or four days of sixteen hours, yeah.
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Question And how often would that happen. Noel. How often
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would I fall asleep? Question? Yeah? How often would you
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fall asleep? Noel? Oh that was like four, I don't know,
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two times. Question I understand. But in the shoe you
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had never fallen asleep before? Noel. No, because I don't
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work that graveyard shift. Question Well, I just mean even
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during your regular shifts, because it sounds like you guys
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were working a lot. Noel. Yeah. Question. So, but in
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the shoe you didn't fall asleep that night and never
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before in the shoe Noel. On the shoe, no because
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it's daytime. Question redacted. You said that was your first
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time working with Thomas. Noel. Yeah. Question was that ever
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with Thomas or just in the shoe? Did you ever
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work with Thomas outside of the shoe Noel, No question.
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Have you ever met with him or interacted with him? Noel? Yes.
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Question prior to this just socially or question. He brings
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inmates to the units to give out stuff, so we've
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spoke and said hello. Question, Okay, do you know if Thomas.
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Have you ever heard of Thomas sleeping on the job
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previous to this incident, Noel, I don't know. Question. No,
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you said you did try to wake him up a
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couple of times. Noel. Yeah. Question, but he said he
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was just tired. Noel, yeah. Question. And you said you
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didn't report the matter to the lieutenant because he actually
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fell asleep in front of the lieutenant Noel, yes. Question.
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And at that time she hit him with a piece
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of paper and he woke up Noel, yes. Question. And
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how did he respond to that? Noel, he woke up.
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Was there a conversation at all. Did he say like, oh,
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I'm exhausted, Noel. Well, he didn't say that, but she
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said that She was like, that's the problem in here,
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the overwork and the understaff question. So with them falling asleep,
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that's how she responded, Noel, lieutenant redacted question. Yeah, Noel, Yeah.
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But she didn't respond like that to him. She was
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saying that to me, that's the problem in MCC. Everybody's
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overworked and understaffed. Question. Okay, after she left, did he
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fall back asleep? Noel. Yes. All right, folks, we're gonna
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wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing
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with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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All the information that goes with this episode can be
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found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
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to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
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we're going to dive right back in to that Tova
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Noel deposition given to the OIG inspectors. Question, have you
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ever witnessed any other staff member fall asleep at mcc Noel, No,
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because you're in a unit by yourself. Question you're in
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what the housing units are the shoe? Noel? Yeah, like
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when I'm in the housing unit. Remember, I don't work
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the shoe all the time, so I wouldn't know if
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people are sleeping at that time in the housing unit,
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you're by yourself, so I can't witness nobody. Question okay,
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and you have your own little office there, Noel. Yeah.
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Question when you're in the housing unit and that's where
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you might be able to doze off? Noel. Yeah. Question
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And as far as the shoe, did you ever experience
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anyone else sleeping aside from Thomas Noel redacted the day
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before question okay, and I do apologize, it's just been
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so long. Now. How long did he sleep for Noel
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who redacted? Question? Yeah, Noel from about after ten until
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it was time for him to go. Question so ten
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to twelve okay. And did you try to wake them
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up at all? Noel? No, because he was on a
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triple question. Okay, all right, now we're going to you
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said you were on the internet. Are you authorized to
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use the Internet when you're in the shoe, Noel, I
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don't know if I'm authorized to use the Internet in
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the shoe, but I did. I don't know if I'm authorized.
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Question all right? And did you conduct Internet queries when
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you were assigned to the shoe on August tenth, twenty nineteen, Noel?
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What do you mean like Internet searches? Did you like
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Google things or look things up when you were in there? Noel? Yeah. Question, well,
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just tell me what did you search for? Noel? Well, yeah,
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that's what I was looking at on benefit page for
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something I was checking for one of my benefits. And
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she gets cut off by Foy. Continue with it. I've
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just got to go. This is a jail call question. Okay,
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So Attorney Foy is stepping out. However, attorney is it Saraga?
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Mister Sarraga? Yeah, question Sarraga is still present? Noel. Yes,
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And when I think I looked at I think it's furniture. Question. Okay,
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did you do any Do you remember conducting any Internet
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queries related to Epstein Noel, No, I don't remember doing that. Question,
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So you don't remember actually conducting queries on Epstein at
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around four or five am. Noel, hmmm, question on August tenth?
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No okay, does that surprise you for me to ask
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you that question? Noel? If I don't remember doing that question,
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I don't know. Had you queried him before? Had you
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looked up Epstein previously? Noel, I don't recall looking them up?
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Question no Noel, No, because when you open the computer
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and when you click on it, like he's there in
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the Google search, like he's there question Epstein is Noel,
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like when you click on the browser, you know, like
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if you open it Emerson or Google, like how it
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has all the little news pieces like one time he
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was there? Question and was that on August tenth? Noel, No,
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I don't call that being on August tenth. I don't remember,
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but I don't recall it being on August tenth. Question
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So as in like maybe somebody else was looking them
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up and it just populated when you turned on the computer. Noel,
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I don't think it does that, like on the searches
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like the current news will be there. So he's in
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the current news, so he'll be there. Question Oh all right, Noel,
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it won't look like the load page like when you
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click on like the Internet Explorer or you click on
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like Firefox or whatever. When the page loads, the news
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is there whether question? Okay. So if you prepopulated something
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and then you searched on that day Epstein at the MCC,
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that possibly could have been something that was like on
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a newsfeed, Noel. When you say pre populated like that
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as soon as you click it, like it was there,
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not like you said a search. Question, So you weren't yeah,
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like a search like you were actually looking at it
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or if like it was a newsfeed, well yeah, like
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I'm looking at it because it's there, but not like
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typing it in question. So you're not like actually going
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to Google or Yahoo or some kind of search engine
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and saying Epstein Noel, No question. All right, So do
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you remember reviewing news articles on Epstein Noel? Yeah. Question
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on August tenth, Noel on August tenth. I don't recall
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if it was August tenth, but I remember when I
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saw it, I like scrolled and read it. Question Okay,
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and what was the purpose of that, Noel, What was
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the purpose of that? Question? Yeah, Noel, because he's in there.
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I just scrolled and she gets cut off. Question. Sure,
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so you're just trying to learn about the inmate he
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gets cut off by Noel. And I read it because
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remember I was asked like do I know who that was?
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And I was like no, and there was like he's
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always in the news. So when I saw it, I
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just briefly skimmed to see like if he was in
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the news for she gets cut off? Okay, and you
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don't recall it five forty two to five fifty two
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on August tenth, twenty nineteen, looking at articles related to
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Jeffrey Epstein. Noel, no question. You do not recall that, Noel,
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no question. Do you remember searching for him? Noel, no question,
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or having anything to do with when you're on the internet, Noel,
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no question with Epstein indiscernible, Noel, no question at five
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fifty two, Noel, no question. No. Does it surprise you
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to hear that, you know, internet searches would show that
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that's what you were doing. From five forty two to
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five fifty two am on August tenth, twenty nineteen Noel, Yeah,
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question that does surprise you. Noel, Uh huh question. So
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you don't think that would be accurate then, Noel, Yes question.
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You think it would be accurate or not accurate? Noel, Oh, no,
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it wouldn't be accurate. Question, It wouldn't be accurate. You
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do not believe that you actually conducted those searches, Noel,
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No question. Okay, And since you had the keys, no
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one else could have visited the shoe without you knowing? Correct? Noel, correct.
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And the individual on ten South redacted or anyone else?
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Are they able to access the shoe without someone in
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the shoe allowing them in? Can they get out of
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ten South and enter the shoe by themselves or does
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someone from the shoe like you and Thomas need to
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authorize them entry? Noel, he needs to call like I
23:25
have to call control to pop that door? Question? So
23:28
he has to call control, Noel, Because there's a door
23:31
that lets you into ten you have to call control. Question?
23:35
And then is it like the entrance, is there like
23:37
a second door that you have to use a key
23:39
for Noel. Yeah. Question, So there's also two into ten
23:44
South Noel, yes, question? And that second door is that
23:48
the one that he gets cut off by. Noel, don't
23:51
have the key for question, so he would also have
23:54
keys or is it just redacted? Noel, No, I don't
23:57
have the key for upstairs? Right, So he needs to
24:01
open his own Noel, right, question and then Control pops it.
24:05
Noel pops it question to then allow him into the shoe. Noel, Yeah, question,
24:11
so he could theoretically get into the shoe without your knowledge, Noel,
24:15
No I have to call Control to pop me into
24:18
the shoe. Question Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying redacted's ability to
24:21
get into the shoe where you and Thomas were. Noel,
24:25
he can't do that because he can't leave him less
24:27
because remember Thomas has to go up to relieve him.
24:30
So Thomas is getting the door popped, but he can't
24:34
just come out and get the door popped because he
24:36
would have to leave the unit with nobody up there.
24:39
Question right. What I'm saying is like, could he does
24:43
he have the ability to? Not policy dictates that he
24:46
can't do it. I'm saying, would he be able to
24:48
if he wanted to take Policy out of the way, Noel,
24:54
call for them to pop the door? Question right? So,
24:56
like point ping could have the access to the shoe
24:59
the eureta without you and Thomas knowledge. Noel, Yeah, because
25:03
he could go and pop that door. Question right, but
25:06
he would have had to call control in order to
25:08
do so. Noel, yes. Question all right? And does anything
25:12
allow control to know if that door was never locked
25:15
or closed or anything behind him? Noel, I don't know.
25:19
Question you're not sure would an alarm sound if the
25:21
door wasn't closed or anything? Noel, I don't know. Question
25:25
you're not sure. Who was the last person to see
25:27
Epstein alive prior to August tenth, twenty nineteen, at six
25:31
thirty three am. Noel, the last person to see him alive?
25:35
I would guess me because I got she gets cut off.
25:39
You were, Noel, because I counted at ten or after ten? Question?
25:43
And on that occasion you didn't actually enter his cell?
25:46
You said, Noel. No question. Who was the last person
25:49
to physical contact with Epstein? Noel, Thomas. Question Thomas would
25:55
have and when would that have been? Noel? When he
25:58
was feeding? No, Noel, you mean like a time question?
26:03
Thomas had physical contact with Epstein during his shift on
26:06
August tenth, prior to six thirty PM or six thirty
26:10
am Noel, No, not prior to six thirty am. I'm
26:13
talking about at the six thirty question right, so you're
26:16
the last person to see him, Noel. Yeah. Question. Who
26:20
was the last person to have physical contact with him? Noel? Oh?
26:24
Whoever put him in the cell when I went to
26:26
the bathroom? Question? Okay, so you're not sure, Noel, No question?
26:30
All right, when you saw him, please explain in detail,
26:33
like or I guess you already did. You said, when
26:36
you saw him, he just put his hands up Noel. Yeah.
26:40
Question and then you said he also asked for Noel
26:43
his seapat machine to be plugged in question. And that
26:46
is something that he has every night, Noel, yes, question
26:51
yep Did he seem did anything seem unusual with him? Noel? No. See,
26:56
there's exceptions being made for Epstein because it's Epstein. You're
26:59
not supposed to have a seapat machine that has a
27:02
long cord, so other inmates don't have a seapat machine
27:04
in the shoe like you're not supposed to have that.
27:07
Who authorized it, who gave it to him? I don't know? Question? Okay,
27:11
And that's kind of what I was asking earlier. And
27:13
this is much earlier about like where did Epstein? Why
27:18
was he treated differently than the others? Noel? I mean
27:21
she gets cut off? Were there are other instances that
27:23
you can think of, like people said pay him special
27:26
attention because he's different from the other inmates, Noel. No,
27:30
just the seapap machine. And one time he wanted to mattresses.
27:34
Question he wanted to mattresses Noel, yes. Question was he
27:38
provided to mattresses? Noel? No question? So he just had
27:42
the one mattress Noel. Uh huh. Question. So the only
27:46
thing you can think of is that, Noel, is that question?
27:50
Is that the cepap? Noel? That's the seapap question? Okay?
27:55
Is that the one with like the mask that's attached
27:57
to your face Noel. Yeah. And there's actually like a
28:01
chord that goes with that Noel. Yeah, the cord has
28:04
to be plugged in. Question. Now do you consider that
28:07
like a safety issue or anything like that? Noel. But
28:11
see that's the thing. I don't authorize those things. Question, sure, Noel.
28:15
That's why I said when a person you see how
28:18
the question was asked when somebody comes back from suicide watch, like,
28:21
is there like something like special being said, like No,
28:24
because he's cleared, because if there was, like, he would
28:28
be allowed to have that in his room. So once
28:30
he's cleared, you come back, you're okay. Question okay? Were
28:34
there were there any other issues with any inmates on
28:37
August tenth from twelve am to six thirty three am, Noel,
28:41
no question. No, So there was no disturbances, Noell, no question.
28:46
Were there any inmates complaining about the lights being left
28:49
on or anything like that? Do you recall, Noel, not
28:52
that I know of. Question? No. And do you recall
28:54
if any other inmates were on or came from suicide watch? Noel,
28:58
no question. So you don't remember any other inmates being
29:01
handled differently than others, Noel, no question. No, or like
29:06
special instructions with regard to this inmate or that inmate, Noel, No,
29:11
I don't know. Question. And you don't remember inmates complaining
29:15
about the lights you said? Noel, no question. How do
29:19
the lights work? Do they stay on on the range
29:21
at all times? Twenty four to seven in each tier? Noel,
29:25
I don't know. But the light is in the hallway
29:27
for the room. Question. So for an interior room, what
29:30
about the down the hallway to each of the tier. Noel, Oh, yeah,
29:34
it stays on. Question were they on twenty four to seven? Noel? Yeah?
29:39
Question do they ever turn those lights off? Noel? No.
29:43
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here and
29:45
in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
29:48
pick up where we left off. All the information that
29:51
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29:55
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
29:58
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we
30:01
left off with the Tovin Noel interview with the OIG investigators. Question. Okay,
30:09
now we're going to get into a little more of
30:12
the specific stuff. Was there a medical emergency in the
30:15
shoe on the morning of August tenth, twenty nineteen, Noel? Yeah.
30:20
Question why was the medical emergency called? Noel? Because when
30:24
I opened the grill and Thomas went to go feed,
30:27
he knocked on the door, he got no response, and
30:29
he opened the door and then he started saying, get
30:32
the cutter, and I heard I was on the grill.
30:35
I heard when he ripped something and he started CPR. Question, Okay,
30:39
when was the medical emergency called Noel at that time? Question?
30:43
How soon after Thomas entering, he gets cut off by Noel.
30:47
When he opened the door, he yelled, get the cutter, Noel,
30:51
I had the audio on. Question. Was he already in
30:54
the cell at that time or had he not gone
30:56
in yet? Noel, he was in the cell. Question. So
30:59
he walked into the cell and he yelled out. Did
31:01
he come back out of the cell and yelled to
31:03
you Noel, No question, he yelled from within Noel. Yeah. Question.
31:08
Could you see him at that time? Noel? Could I
31:11
see him? No question? No. And from the time that
31:15
he was discovered to the time of your call, about
31:18
how much time passed from him saying entering the cell
31:21
and the time that the medical emergency was called by you? Noel.
31:26
She goes to answer, but she gets cut off by
31:29
the lawyer. Are we talking about like five seconds? Noel? Yeah,
31:33
Noel is second as soon as he said it, I
31:36
did it. Question. Oh, so, like there's a button you
31:39
just hit Noel, Yeah, because the button is on my radio.
31:43
Question And did you call it in at that time? Noel? No.
31:47
Once you hit it, everybody's coming. Question all right, So
31:50
there's nothing that you call in. You just push a button? Noel, Yeah.
31:54
Question all right? So at the second he told you
31:57
to get the cutter, you hit the medical emergency. Well, yeah,
32:00
question did he say anything about what he saw, Noel,
32:04
when he got when he entered the room and he
32:07
said to get the cutter. Before I got the cutter,
32:09
I heard him tear something and then he lowered him
32:12
to the floor. That's when I saw him and he
32:15
started CPR. Question all right, So he never said like
32:18
Epstein hung himself or what he saw. He just said
32:21
get the cutter, Noel. He said, get the cutter, and
32:25
then I started CPR, and he kept saying, breathe, Epstein, breathe,
32:29
and he was like, we're going to be in so
32:30
much trouble. Question And where were you when he was
32:34
doing that, Noel? On the grill question were you in
32:37
the position to be able to see anything in there? Noel,
32:40
no question. At any time did you see anything in there? Noel,
32:44
no question. Did you ever see Epstein in the cell? Noel,
32:48
no question. So you never even went over to like
32:51
look in Noel. No question. Okay, so you didn't actually
32:55
have to call anything over the radio. It was just
32:59
a simple push a button, Noel, a button. Question And
33:03
around what time did you say that Epstein was last
33:05
fed Noel after ten Question after ten pm? Noel, I
33:10
mean not after when they fed him in the cell.
33:12
I guess after eight or nine. Question sometime between eight
33:16
or nine pm, Noel, when I came back from the bathroom.
33:20
Question And who was it that fed him? Noel? Me
33:24
question you fed him, Noel? Yeah. Question And did you
33:28
say that you at that point? Did you actually talk
33:30
with him? Noel? No question? Okay? And did you or
33:34
anyone else recover his food tray? Noel? I don't know
33:37
if somebody did not me. Question, But you didn't do it, Noel,
33:42
No question? Who else could have done it if it
33:45
wasn't you? Noel, I don't know, because after the medical emergency,
33:50
nobody's allowed to go in the room. So question. So
33:55
you're just not sure if by the time you fed
33:57
him in that medical emergency, if it was ever recovered Noel, right,
34:02
question all right? So when you fed him, can you
34:04
just again refresh my memory. Was it that you saw
34:08
with Epstein when you give him the food? Question he
34:12
gets like microwavable food. So I just handed it to
34:14
him through the slot and he took it. Question Okay?
34:19
And any instance where you saw him from the shower
34:22
to the last time you said you saw him between
34:24
ten and ten thirty or whatever, it was anything unusual, Noel. No,
34:29
nothing that caught or like raised your suspicion, Noel. No question.
34:33
No like distress or saying anything like that with him, Noel,
34:37
No question. And you're sure when you saw him at
34:40
ten ten thirty that he was alive? Noel. Yes, he
34:46
put up his hand. Question. He put up his hand
34:49
and wasn't like hanging against the bed when he put
34:52
it up, Noel. No question. Where was he located? Noel,
34:56
on the floor on a mattress? Question? So he he
35:00
was like sleeping, Noel. He was lying on the floor
35:03
on the mattress and he had the machine. Question and
35:06
he had the machine on him Noel, Yeah. Question okay.
35:10
And when you look through his window, right, what if
35:14
his body could you see Noel on his head his
35:17
hand and like maybe to mid there question the best
35:22
of the body, Noel, like under his head? Question? So
35:26
he was laying facing the wall Noel. Yeah, he was
35:29
facing like this big and discernible. Is this way the
35:33
mattress was here on the floor, like in front of
35:35
the bunk on the floor. Question? And the sea pat machine.
35:39
Was it already attached to him? Noel, Yeah, he had
35:42
it on question, I'm not following what you're saying about that.
35:46
So the mattress was laying like, Noel cuts him off.
35:50
The mattress was like, how you just take it off
35:52
the bunk and you put it on the floor. Well,
35:55
he shoves it to the corner. Question, and he was
35:58
laying on it. He was laying on it like the
36:00
direction of the mattress Lennon, Noel that the mattress is going, yeah,
36:05
question all right, So he wasn't like or a T
36:08
shape Noel, No, all right, So he was like, Noel
36:12
cuts him off the direction of the mattress. Question, Okay,
36:16
you want to ask more on that another investigator. No
36:21
just had that quick question. And you said, to your knowledge,
36:24
no one else saw him between the time you last
36:26
saw him and when Michael discovered him. Noel. Right. Question,
36:31
did you hear anything from epstein cell between ten thirty
36:34
pm and six thirty three am? Noel, no question, No
36:39
like movement talking or like a crash Noel, No question
36:43
anything like that. And about how far away from Epstein
36:47
Cell when Thomas went in, Noel, I don't know the
36:49
grill is right here and the door is right there. Question,
36:53
So I mean is it like so this is a foot,
36:55
this is two feet? This is three feet? Noel? A foot?
36:59
Question of foot Noel. From the grill to the door
37:01
right here? But he's inside, so question right, Noel, I'm
37:06
not in there. So from the grill to the actual
37:08
door about a foot? Question about a foot? Noel? Yeah.
37:12
Question Now was the grilled door? Is that a door
37:16
that is closed? Was it closed or was it open? Noel?
37:19
I opened it and then Thomas goes in? Question? Okay,
37:22
so it was open when Thomas entered the cell. Noel.
37:25
I opened it and I opened the grill for him
37:27
to go in, right. And did it remain open? Noel? Yes?
37:31
But she gets cut off? Or did you close it
37:33
behind you? Noel? No, I'm standing there, so it's open. Question.
37:38
So you're only a foot away from mister Epstein's cell
37:41
door though, Noel. Yes. Question and you never looked in, Noel?
37:45
No question? Was it? Because why didn't you look in? Noel?
37:49
Because usually the door is not open. His intention is
37:52
to feed, so he would just open the slot and
37:55
put the food in. When he knocked. He didn't get
37:58
no answer. So that's when Thomas open the door and
38:00
went in. I stood on the grill, and as soon
38:03
as he opened the door he went in, he started screaming,
38:06
get the cutter. So I hit the body alarm because
38:08
I have to. When everybody's coming, I have to let
38:11
them in. I never went in. Question. Okay, So after
38:15
he made the call, did you go get the cutter
38:17
and bring it back to him? Noel, No, I didn't
38:20
get the cutter because he didn't need it. Question because
38:23
it rips something Noel, Yeah. Question, and you actually heard
38:26
it rip? Noel, I heard it rip. Question okay? And
38:30
the reason why? And then you left the grill to
38:32
go let people in? Noel, yes? Question. All right. So
38:36
how long after Mike Thomas went into the room did
38:39
you leave the grill station door that was a foot
38:42
away from Epstein's door. Noel, maybe like two or three minutes? Question?
38:47
So you were there for two or three minutes while
38:49
he was conducting CPR. Noel, yeah. Question And at that time,
38:54
never once did you actually look in to see what
38:56
he was doing. Noel, No question, even though it was
38:59
just the foot away Noel, right. Question. And that's what
39:03
I'm asking you Noel. No, by that time, when he's
39:06
conducting CPR, I can see because he lowered him to
39:10
the floor, and I could question. And that's what I'm
39:13
asking So you could see him lower him to the floor. Question? Yeah,
39:17
I could see when he lowered him to the floor. Question.
39:20
This is where I want to make sure that where
39:22
I'm asking you that you could see inside Noel. Oh no,
39:26
I can't see inside the cell. I could only see
39:28
Thomas doing CPR. Question. But you saw him lower him
39:32
to the floor. Noel, Yeah, he lowered him to the floor. Question.
39:36
So this is what I want to know. What did
39:38
you see? So what you could see from where you
39:42
were standing? What could you see everything? Because I'm getting
39:45
confused with what you're telling me. I thought you said
39:48
you never looked in you never saw anything. What did
39:51
you see from the moment the medical emergency occurred? So
39:55
he walked to the door. What do you see, Noel,
39:58
he goes in the door. First, I don't see anything.
40:00
I hear the rip and then he lowers him to
40:02
the floor. Question. Okay, so just back up. What do
40:05
you mean by lowering him to the floor. Did you
40:08
watch him rip or just heard Noel? I heard the rip. Question. Okay, Noel,
40:13
it's just like this. He's holding him like this and
40:16
he puts him onto the floor to start CPR. Question.
40:19
Did he put his arms underneath Epstein's arms? Noel, I
40:23
don't remember how he held them directly. But he lowered
40:26
him to the floor. I don't remember how he the
40:28
details of how he lowered him to the floor. Question.
40:32
So he somewhere on his upper body, then lowered him
40:35
to his like butt to the floor Noel. Yeah. Question.
40:39
And then he allowed him to drop or did he
40:42
place him Noel, No, he didn't allow him to drop.
40:45
He had him all the way. Question. So at all
40:48
times he maintained control of Epstein's body and brought him
40:52
to the floor Noel, yes. Question. And you witnessed all
40:56
of this, Noel. I just only witnessed when the top
40:59
part of his went to the floor. Question. Okay. And
41:03
at that time did like and we have to ask
41:05
this just because of you know, the autopsy and things
41:08
like that, did he smash against the floor Noel? No question?
41:13
All right, so everything was like gentle Noel. Yeah. Question
41:18
from you heard it rip? Did you ever hear like
41:21
sound hear him like land on the floor? Noel. No question.
41:25
So you didn't hear like, all right, he ripped this thing,
41:27
so you think he ripped it and then he may
41:29
maintain control of him Noel. Probably, I didn't see that part.
41:34
I just only heard the rip. Question all right, but
41:37
you did see did you see his body after the
41:39
rip hit the floor? Noel? No question? All right, So
41:43
he's on the floor, maybe like his butt is on
41:45
the floor and his upper body is up, and that's
41:48
when you witnessed him now bringing him down to the floor. Noel,
41:52
He brought him down to the floor. I can't see
41:55
the other half of his body, so I don't know.
41:57
Question what part of his body do you see? Noel,
42:00
Just the top part, like torso up and he's bringing
42:03
him down. Question all right, And then did you see
42:06
him when you say CPR? What kind of CPR was given? Noel?
42:11
Chess compressions? Question any kind of mouth to mouth? Noel?
42:15
No question. Did he ever check for his vitals? Did
42:18
he ever check to see if he was alive first? Noel?
42:21
I don't know. Question you don't know. Did you witness
42:23
him check for breath or check for a pulse? Noel,
42:27
I didn't see that. Question You didn't see either, Noel. No,
42:30
I'm just giving him compressions. I just seen him giving
42:33
him compressions. Question. All right, did you see him like
42:36
try to wake him up or hit him or anything
42:38
like that, Noel, No, just compressions. Question. Did you have
42:42
any communication with Thomas while he was doing this? Noel No.
42:46
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
42:48
in the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we
42:50
left off. All the information that goes with this episode
42:54
can be found in the description box.