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The Maxwell Trial Transcripts: Kate Describes Her Relationship With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 2) (11/9/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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  Speaker 1: back into the testimony that Kate gave during the Glenn
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell trial. Question by the prosecution. Thank you, Your Honor. Kate,
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  Speaker 1: in what neighborhood was this townhouse? Answer, in the same
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood I lived in, Belgravia. Question, Ms. Drescher, we can
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  Speaker 1: pull that down. Thank you. Kate, what if any photographs
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  Speaker 1: did you see inside Maxwell's house? Answer. There were. There
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  Speaker 1: were lots of photographs and many of them were Glenn
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell with older men with slightly peppered hair, graying hair.
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  Speaker 1: And in lots of photographs, he was looking at the
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  Speaker 1: camera and she was looking at him. Question. Did there
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  Speaker 1: come a time when you learned who that man in
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  Speaker 1: the photograph was? Answer. Yeah. Question. And who was the
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  Speaker 1: man in the photographs? Answer. Jeffrey Epstein. Question. Can you
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  Speaker 1: describe the rest of the townhouse for the jury, please? Answer, yes.
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  Speaker 1: When I walked in, it was carpeted in pale carpet.
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  Speaker 1: It was very nicely decorated. The constable and nice, beautiful chairs.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of silver framed pictures that were out.
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  Speaker 1: And in that visit, I was just in the living room,
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  Speaker 1: which is the first room that I was in. And
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  Speaker 1: there was a staircase going up. Question, so focusing on
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  Speaker 1: the first time that you went to Maxwell's townhouse, can
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  Speaker 1: you describe for the jury what happened? when you went
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  Speaker 1: to her townhouse? Answer yes. I had a really lovely
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  Speaker 1: time and I felt really special. And I felt, I
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  Speaker 1: felt that I had found a new connection that could
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  Speaker 1: be really meaningful to me. I had just moved back
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  Speaker 1: from France to England and left the school that I
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  Speaker 1: was at with all my friends and I was really
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  Speaker 1: happy that we had connected and that she seemed as
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  Speaker 1: excited as I was to have a new friend. And
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  Speaker 1: it was just, I left that feeling exhilarated like somebody
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  Speaker 1: wanted me. like somebody wanted to be my friend. Question, what,
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  Speaker 1: if any, conversations do you remember having with Maxwell about
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  Speaker 1: your family? I told her the things that were quite
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  Speaker 1: difficult at my house and that I lived alone with
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  Speaker 1: my mother and that she had been unwell and struggling
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  Speaker 1: and that she would get very bad migraines and I
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  Speaker 1: would often try to take care of her, give her
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  Speaker 1: massages and bring her cups of tea. Question, what, if any,
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  Speaker 1: conversations do you recall having with Maxwell about what you
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do with your life? Answer, well, I had
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  Speaker 1: been offered a place at Oxford University to study law,
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  Speaker 1: and she shared that she had been to that university.
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  Speaker 1: And that I shared with her that I would also
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  Speaker 1: really be interested in music, and I loved music, and
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  Speaker 1: I was interested in pursuing that. But I was worried
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  Speaker 1: to tell my parents because they really wanted me to
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  Speaker 1: go to law school, as most parents would. And I
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  Speaker 1: was quite athletic, although I was very thin, and I
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  Speaker 1: told her that I was interested in martial arts as well. Question, What,
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  Speaker 1: if any, conversation do you remember having with Maxwell during
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  Speaker 1: tea about her personal life and relationships? Answer, she told
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  Speaker 1: me lots of amazing things about her boyfriend and she
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  Speaker 1: said that he was a philanthropist and that he liked
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  Speaker 1: to help young people and that at some point it
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  Speaker 1: would be really wonderful for me to go meet him
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  Speaker 1: and that we shared so many great things in common. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just that it would be great for me to get
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  Speaker 1: to meet him at some point. Question, what was your
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  Speaker 1: reaction to the attention that Maxwell was paying you Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was 17. I like to have attention.
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  Speaker 1: And I was, I was lonely. And I had not
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  Speaker 1: found a group of friends yet. So I was really
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  Speaker 1: glad to have found somebody that was also older than me,
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  Speaker 1: who I felt could maybe guide me, as she seemed
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  Speaker 1: to have a lot of connections and opportunities to guide
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  Speaker 1: me and be very willing to do so. Question, did
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  Speaker 1: there come a time when you met Epstein? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: about how long after you had tea at Maxwell's townhouse,
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  Speaker 1: did you meet Epstein? Answer, a few weeks later. Question,
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  Speaker 1: where did you meet Epstein? Answer, at Ghislaine Maxwell's house. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when did you first meet Epstein? Approximately, how old was he? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: he seemed to be in his 40s. Question, how did
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  Speaker 1: you come to meet Epstein at Maxwell's townhouse? Answer, Ghislaine
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  Speaker 1: called me and she called me to tell me that
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  Speaker 1: he was in town and she'd really love if I
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  Speaker 1: could come over and meet him. There was a sense
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  Speaker 1: of urgency and it was like very important that I
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  Speaker 1: take this opportunity. Question, what was Maxwell's demeanor like during
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  Speaker 1: that conversation on the phone? Answer, I would say that
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  Speaker 1: she was very activated, very excited, and there was a
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  Speaker 1: sense of urgency. Question, now focusing on the time when
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  Speaker 1: you met Epstein at Maxwell's house, who was at the
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  Speaker 1: house when you arrived? Answer, Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when you arrived, what was Jeffrey Epstein wearing? Answer, he
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  Speaker 1: was wearing sweatpants and a hoodie. Question, and what was
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  Speaker 1: Epstein doing when you arrived? Answer, he was sitting in
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  Speaker 1: a chair and he was on the phone talking quite loudly. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did Epstein stay on the phone the entire time you
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  Speaker 1: were at Maxwell's townhouse? Answer, no. Question, did there come
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  Speaker 1: a time when Epstein got off the phone? Answer, yes. Question, what,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, did Maxwell say to Epstein about you during
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  Speaker 1: that visit? Answer, she said that this girl that I
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  Speaker 1: told you about and she listed some of my accolades
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  Speaker 1: and said, you know, about me going to, possibly going
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  Speaker 1: to Oxford, but that I was also a really talented
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  Speaker 1: singer and that I was really athletic and that I
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  Speaker 1: was strangely strong for my size. Question, you mentioned your size.
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  Speaker 1: What was your size at the time? Answer, I was
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  Speaker 1: about 95 pounds. Question, what happened next? Answer, next, after
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  Speaker 1: she said that I was very strong, she said, why
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  Speaker 1: don't you give his feet a little squeeze to show
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  Speaker 1: him how strong you are? Question, did you give his
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  Speaker 1: feet a little squeeze? Answer, yes. Question, when you say
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  Speaker 1: that you gave his feet a little squeeze, what does
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  Speaker 1: that mean? Answer, I massaged them. Question, what happened next? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: and then he seemed to be very approving and he said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you can go ahead and do my shoulders. Question, did
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  Speaker 1: you massage Epstein's shoulders? Answer, yes. Question, what happened next? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: he said that I was very strong and he said
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  Speaker 1: that he likes that I was very, seemed to be,
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  Speaker 1: know what I wanted. And they talked about something that
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't quite hear that they were saying about like
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  Speaker 1: a music producer. And then his phone rang again. Question,
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  Speaker 1: after his phone rang, did you stay at Maxwell's house? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how did you end up leaving? Answer, he didn't say anything.
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  Speaker 1: He just answered the phone and started talking on the phone.
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  Speaker 1: And then Ghislaine sort of ushered me out. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: did you leave Maxwell's house? Answer, yes. Question, after you
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  Speaker 1: left Maxwell's house, did you hear from her again? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: approximately how long after you met at Epstein at Maxwell's
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  Speaker 1: house did you hear from Maxwell? Answer, few weeks, couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks. Question, how did you communicate with Maxwell? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she called me. Question, what, if anything, did Maxwell say
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  Speaker 1: when she called you? Answer, she said that Jeffrey was
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  Speaker 1: going to get a massage, but the massage therapist had canceled,
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  Speaker 1: and could I please do her a favor and help
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  Speaker 1: her by coming over, because I had such strong hands. Question,
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  Speaker 1: were you a massage therapist at the time? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever been a massage therapist? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you go to Maxwell's house? Answer, yes. Question, who
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  Speaker 1: was at Maxwell's house when you arrived? Answer, Ghislaine and Jeffrey. Question, what,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, did Maxwell say when you arrived at the house? Question,
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  Speaker 1: she said, thank you so much for coming, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: really excited that you're here. Question, did she comment about
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  Speaker 1: how often Epstein needed massages? Bobby Sternum objects to this. Objection. Leading.
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  Speaker 1: The court sustained. Question. What, if anything, did Maxwell say
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  Speaker 1: about Epstein and his need for massages? Bobby Sternum. Objection. Leading.
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  Speaker 1: The court. I'll allow it. You may answer. Answer. Could
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  Speaker 1: you repeat the question, please? Question. What, if anything, did
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell say about Epstein's need for massages? Answer. She said
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  Speaker 1: that he needed massages all the time, and it was
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  Speaker 1: very difficult to keep up. Question, where did you and
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell go after that conversation? Answer, she led me upstairs
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  Speaker 1: and opened the door to a room that had a
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  Speaker 1: massage table in it. Question, can you describe the room
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  Speaker 1: for the jury? Answer, yeah. It was dimly lit. It
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  Speaker 1: was a small room. There was a massage table, some towels,
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  Speaker 1: and Jeffrey was in the room. Question, what was Epstein wearing? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: he was wearing a robe. Question, what, if anything, did
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  Speaker 1: he do with the robe? Answer, he took off the robe. Question, what,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, was Epstein wearing? Under the robe. Answer. He
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  Speaker 1: was naked. Question. Where was he when he removed the robe? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: Standing facing the door. Question. Where was Maxwell when Epstein
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  Speaker 1: removed the robe? Answer. In the doorway facing him. Question. What,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, did Maxwell give you? Answer. She gave me
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  Speaker 1: some massage oil. Question. Did you enter the room? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Did someone close the door? Answer. Yes. Question. Who closed
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  Speaker 1: the door? Answer. Ghislaine Maxwell closed the door. Question, after
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  Speaker 1: the door was closed, did you give Epstein a massage? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: without telling the jury the details during the massage, did
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  Speaker 1: Epstein initiate sexual contact with you? Answer, yes. Question, did
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  Speaker 1: Epstein engage in sex acts with you during the massage? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to move forward to the end of the massage.
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  Speaker 1: After it ended, where did you go? Answer, I left
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  Speaker 1: the room and started walking down the stairs. Question, and who,
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  Speaker 1: if anyone, did you see? Answer, I saw Ghislaine Maxwell. Question, what,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, did Maxwell say? Answer, she said, she said,
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  Speaker 1: how did it go? Did you have fun? Was it good? Question,
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  Speaker 1: can you describe Maxwell tone when she made these statements? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she seemed very excited and happy. She thanked me again. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you leave Maxwell's house? Answer, yes. Question, did there
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  Speaker 1: come a time when you saw Epstein again in London? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: about how long after the massage you just testified about,
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  Speaker 1: did you see Epstein again? Answer, a few days later. Question,
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  Speaker 1: where did you see Epstein again? Answer, in Ghislaine Maxwell's house. Question,
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  Speaker 1: who invited you to Ghislaine to the house? Answer, Ghislaine. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how did she invite you to her house? Answer, she
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  Speaker 1: called me. Question, when you arrived, what if anything did
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell say? Answer, she said, I'm so glad you're here.
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  Speaker 1: You did such a good job last time. He wanted
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  Speaker 1: you to come back. Question. Where did Maxwell go? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: We went upstairs to the same room. Question. And when
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  Speaker 1: you went upstairs, was the door to the room open
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  Speaker 1: or closed? Answer. Closed. Question. Who opened the door? Answer. Ghislaine. Question. Who,
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  Speaker 1: if anyone, did you see when Maxwell opened the door
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  Speaker 1: to the room? Answer. Jeffrey. Question. What was Epstein wearing? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: He was naked. Question. Where was he standing? Answer. Next
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  Speaker 1: to the massage table facing the door. Question, where was
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell when you saw Epstein naked? Answer, in the doorway
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  Speaker 1: facing him. Question, what if anything did Maxwell say? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she said, have a good time. Question, did Maxwell leave
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  Speaker 1: the room? Answer, yes. Question, was the door closed? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: who closed the door? Answer, Ghislaine Maxwell. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
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  Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off.
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  Speaker 1: All the information that goes with this episode can be
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