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Ep.25 XJ Gas Mileage Reality Check | Lift, Gears & 300 lbs of Mods · Jeep Talk Show

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XJtalk as we talk about them.
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Tonight we're going to be talking about a
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couple of, well I
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think, important things.
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Gas mileage on your XJ and the overall
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core design of the
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cooling system, which I believe
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is going to be a repeat a
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bit from my previous show.
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But summertime is upon us.
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So I think maybe some of the issues that
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I have found in gothu
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on my personal Jeep XJ
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might be of benefit to you.
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So we'll get right to that after we
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Also too, if you've got something to talk
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Jeeps. Jeep related is good. You don't
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want a Jeep talk show.
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But we're interested in
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other things. It may be something that
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indirectly pertains to
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Jeeps. It may be a bitter oil
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product that you've had direct experience
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with. And maybe it's not even with a Jeep
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Cherokee. The TJ Wranglers have a very
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common heritage with the
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XJs. At least the ones that
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were made during the same time period and
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have the 410 liter
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engine. So, you may have
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some experiences with engines or
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drivetrains or the other
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parts of the drivetrain that
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might benefit all of us. So, you know,
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feel free to get in
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contact with me via the XJTalk
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website and be a guest. So, as I said in
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the opening, we're
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going to be talking about
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some of the issues that I've gone through
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with my XJ. And maybe
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in the hopes of helping
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you out a bit, I have recently updated
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the amount of mile per
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gallon measurements that
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I've been taking since I believe it was
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July of 2009. 2009, 10,
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11, it might be 2008, 2008,
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2009, because I'm coming right up on
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three years worth of MPG
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data. And I started recording
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that data primarily because gasoline
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prices were spiking
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pretty bad. And I had just put
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the lift kit, the 4.5 inch Rough Country
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lift kit on my Jeep. And I
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had put the larger tires,
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32 by 11.5 inches by 15 and the alloy
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wheels, the 10 by 15 alloy
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wheels. And I was noticing
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what seemed to be a gas mileage problem.
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I had not noticed, and
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of course I understood
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that perhaps it wasn't so much that I was
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noticing the problem
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as I was noticing how
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much gas was costing. Because if
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something is cheap enough,
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it's below your radar and
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you really don't pay that much attention
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to it. Well, I think the
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combination of the price
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rising and the gas mileage going down
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were two critical things
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that made me care, frankly.
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So I started measuring that information.
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And when you lift a vehicle, you
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understand pretty much
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going in, especially if you ever have
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done it in the past, you understand going
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in, you're not going
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to get as good a gas mileage simply
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because you're changing the aerodynamics
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of the vehicle. And I
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think more importantly, you're putting
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more surface area between your vehicle
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and the road in the form
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of a larger tire. And let me just answer
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this question before it
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comes up. Yes, the speedometer
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was corrected. If you don't know what I'm
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talking about, when you change the
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diameter size of the
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tire from stock to a larger tire or
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wheels-hire combination, that
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basically means that the tire
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is going to roll further to get back to
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the same point on the tire. So your
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speedometer will show
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slower than what you're actually going.
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So you actually have to
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correct that. Now some vehicles,
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I think you can correct it through the
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computer, the onboard
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computer, the ECM. And some have a
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mechanical means. And there may be those,
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and the XJ may be included
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in this, that you can correct
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either through the ECM or by changing a
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gear. And the only way I
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know how to do it is by changing
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the gear. And I just went on the
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internet, you guys have heard of the
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internet I'm sure, and looked
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up the size tire that I have, the gear
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ratio that I have in the
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front and rear differentials, and
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picked the number of tooth gear that I
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needed to get it back to the stock
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setting. So I spent about
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25 bucks, I think, and I got the 32 or 35
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or whatever tooth gear it
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was. And it literally takes
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about seven minutes to take the one bolt
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holding the other one in the
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bracket off and put the new
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gear in and put it back into the transfer
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case and put the bolt back
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in and go on down the road.
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I really wanted that because the first
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vehicle that I lifted was a 1983
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Chevrolet pickup. And
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there may have been something just as
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easy to correct that
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speedometer. If so, I wasn't aware of
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it. And I drove that truck for quite a
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while with the speedometer
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being off. And it's a bit of a
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scary feeling whenever you're driving
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around. And especially if
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there's any police, you know,
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you're concerned about getting a speeding
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ticket, especially since I
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was in my what mid to late
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20s when I did that. So eventually,
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looking in a magazine, I found where
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there was a company that
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would basically add this little piece of,
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it was a gear for all
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intensive purposes, reduction gear
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set. And that was back in the days of the
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mechanical
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speedometer. So you actually had a
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cable that would come up from the
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transmission or transfer case
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all the way to the back of the
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speedometer in your dash. And that cable
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would turn and the
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speedometer needle would turn and
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measure your speed. So basically, I got
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this little reduction gear
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thing or I would assume it was
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reduction, maybe not, maybe it was an
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increase. But it basically
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through the use of a couple of
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gears, it corrected it and you actually
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would have to go out and
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measure time over a fixed
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distance. And the further the distance,
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the further the measured distance, the
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more accurate it was.
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So anyway, it's a lot easier. It was a
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lot easier to do on the Jeep and it's
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just a gear. And the
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gear is available on many companies
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online carry those gears. And
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actually, I got mine from the
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dealership, local Jeep dealership. And it
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was about the same price
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online or just going down to the
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dealership. So I just did that. So
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anyway, I did correct the speedometer. So
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one of the things that
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I found out, I was on naxja.org website
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asking questions and trying
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to gather help from some of
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the members and visitors there. Tell them
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that, hey, my gas mileage
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sucks. And they're basically
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saying welcome to the club. And I said,
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yeah, I understand. But
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interestingly, there was several
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other people, and of course, it's the
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internet. Nobody ever lies.
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But there was several other
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people that were saying that, hey, I've
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got 32 inch tires or I've got 33 inch
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tires and blah, blah,
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blah, and this bumper and this spare tire
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and et cetera, et cetera. And I get 600
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miles of the gallon.
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And there was enough of them that were
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saying, and of course, I'm being
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facetious, they were seeing
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16 to 18 miles per gallon with this heavy
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equipment added to their
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vehicles with speedometers
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corrected. So highway mileage, of course.
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And I thought to myself,
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well, the vehicle is supposed
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to be rated for 20 miles per gallon
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highway. And I think we all know that
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those estimates are never
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met. I guess in some rare tailwind, jet
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stream, tornadic activity
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near your Jeep during the
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measuring of gas mileage, you might get
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that. But who knows? But
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there are people that do get
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over 20 miles per gallon. Generally
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speaking, they have standard
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transmissions. And of course,
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the nice thing about the standard
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transmission is you control
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how much RPM, how much power that
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you put to the transmission. And more
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importantly, I believe, how much slippage
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occurs because there's
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a lot of slipping going on inside an
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automatic transmission. And I
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think they do that partially
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to make the ride easier, to make it feel
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smoother because we
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all know that the Jeep
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Cherokees are luxury vehicles. But
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anyway, you do have more
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control over how much slippage goes
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between the engine and getting the power
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to the rear wheels. So I
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started measuring the MPG
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for my Jeep. And I was getting around 10
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miles to the gallon. And
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I thought that was really,
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really bad. There was a lot of different
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things thrown out there
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from NAXJ members about
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O2 sensors being bad. You need to change
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the differential gears
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because it's taking more power
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to get the Jeep going. What was another
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thing that I remember? And
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over those last three years,
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I've tried a number of things. I've
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replaced the fuel
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injectors from the stock one-hold
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injector to a Ford Mustang, I think it
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was a 2009 Ford Mustang
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injector with, gosh, there was
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like six or seven holes in that injector.
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So the idea there giving
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you a better spray pattern
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to mix the air and the fuel. And if you
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get a better pattern, a
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more diffused pattern,
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you should get a better burn. And I
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thought, hey, maybe the injectors are
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giving me a problem.
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Anyway, I can get a little ahead of
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myself. The first thing that
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I tried were the O2 sensors.
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And I replaced the two O2 sensors with
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Bosch, saying that
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correctly or not, Bosch O2 sensors.
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And they were about $70 a piece. On the
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1998 Jeep Cherokee like I have, it is,
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there's only two O2 sensors. One is up
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close to the exhaust
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manifold, and one is further away
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closer to the catalytic converter. And my
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understanding is that
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the one closest to the
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exhaust manifold is the one that is
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basically telling the
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computer or giving the computer
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the information it needs to adjust the
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air-fuel mixture. And of course, that's
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critically important
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in the running of your Jeep, but the
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efficiency of running of the Jeep,
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running of the engine.
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And then the downstream, the one closest
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to the exhaust sensor
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would be upstream. The one
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closer to the catalytic converter would
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be the downstream O2 sensor. And my
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understanding is that
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the downstream O2 sensor measures how
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well the mixture is being burned.
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Basically, I think how
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the catalytic converter is taking care of
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it. I believe that's
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right. I believe that's on the
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back end of the catalytic converter. In
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other words, it's
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measuring the mixture after the
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catalytic converter has done its job
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trying to scrub up the
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hydrocarbons out of there.
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At any rate, the front one I was more
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concerned with and made no difference.
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Nothing that I could
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tell. And I am able to tell, I have heard
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this before and I've seen
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this directly. You have to
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collect a lot of data to be able to see
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what's going on for your miles per
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gallon, what your gas
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mileage is. Because it can vary pretty
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widely over time. And I'm
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sorry, not over time, over a short
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time. And I cannot relate that in three
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years of data. I cannot
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relate that to the way I was
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driving. I don't know why. It goes, I've
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seen it as low as 11.5, I
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guess I've seen it down as close to
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10, almost 11 miles per gallon. And I've
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seen it as high as, gosh, what was it,
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13.6, 13.7 miles per
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gallon. And I mean, we're talking from
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week to week. And actually, you get a
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nice sawtooth pattern on
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the graph. It goes up, it goes down. It
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goes up, it goes down. And
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you might get a period in there
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where two or three weeks will be fairly
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the same, I mean, within a half, less
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than a mile per gallon.
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But it varies widely. And it's really
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strange. I don't understand that,
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especially after the ECM has
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learned your driving habits. The other
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thing I didn't understand
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very much was, I can drive like
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the hypermilers drive. And of course, I'm
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exaggerating. The
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hypermiler is basically like,
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they're usually people driving Hondas.
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And they plan their courses
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from wherever they go on work,
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wherever, where they don't have to stop
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as much, where they
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don't have to go very fast,
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and they can accelerate gradually over a
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long distance. So they
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have to plan the most optimum
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route. They have to plan a route where
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they, at least here in Texas,
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don't get shot for driving so
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slow, or accelerating so slow. But even
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trying to drive very carefully and slow
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to accelerate and so
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forth, I was not seeing a change in gas
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mileage. Now, it may have
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shown up if I had done that over
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a long period of time, but I probably
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would have killed myself. I probably
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would have just gone
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insane and killed myself trying to drive
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that carefully over a
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long period of time. I mean,
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that's one of the fun things about
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driving the Jeep anyway is, you know,
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taking off and going.
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Driving altogether, I guess, is just fun
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to accelerate. Take the
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corners sharp, etc., even
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in a Jeep. So anyway, it basically, you
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know, I know that it takes
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more gas to move the Jeep
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faster. But it just seems like idle or 70
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miles an hour, it's using
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about the same amount of gas.
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So it's your choice. You can, you know,
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you're going to be going
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slow, or you can be going fast,
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or faster. At any rate, the next thing I
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tried that I recall is
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replacing the differential gears.
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The stock differential gears are 3.55.
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And again, going through
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NAXJA.org, the members and guests
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there were suggesting, I mean, and doing
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my own research, they were
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suggesting 410 or 450, or
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sorry, 4.10 or 4.56 gears for the
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differentials. So basically what that
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means is that it's going to
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allow the engine to turn the front and
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rear axles faster. They
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will turn more revolutions
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than what the differential gears that
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were there, what they would turn the
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wheels. So you have various
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ways that you can adjust how much the
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wheels turn. Certainly if
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you increase the tire size,
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that means the tire is not going to turn
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as many revolutions over a
20:02
distance. So by changing out the
20:04
differential gears to a higher numeric
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gear, or a lower gear
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ratio, now you're going to be,
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the tire is actually going, the tire is
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still going to go over
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the same distance, but the
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engine is going to turn more times for
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that same amount of wheel rotation.
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Basically what it does
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is it means that it's going to be easier
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for the engine to get the mass of the
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Jeep moving forward,
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or even reverse. It's going to be easier
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for the engine to get it
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going because there's going to
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be less resistance. Let's see, is
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resistance, would that be correct? I
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guess to a degree that's
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true because it would be like using a
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lever and you can use a
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short lever to move something and
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you have to use more force to get that
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moving, or you can use a
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much longer lever and then it
21:03
doesn't require as much force. So I
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believe that's a good
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analogy. It may not be, but anyway,
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that's what you got. So replace the, I
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went with, 410 was what I was
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considering and there was so
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many people that said, you know, it's a
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lot of effort, it's a lot
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of expense to change out the
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gears. And actually if you have to ask, I
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was told this, if you have
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to ask, should I change the
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differential gears myself, you shouldn't.
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You shouldn't change
21:33
them yourself. So I actually
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had a mechanic change up my differentials
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and I had to make a big
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decision since it was going
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to be rather expensive, not only for the
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pinion and the ring of
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the gear and the associated
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rebuild kits, but also to the charge, the
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mechanic was going to charge me. So
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several people said you
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one gear set higher or lower, depending
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on if you're looking at
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the gear number or the ratio,
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you should get one more than what you
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want to go because it will, you'll be
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happier in the long run.
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So I went back and forth, back and forth,
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thinking about it and I just
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went ahead and decided that
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we'd go with the 456 gears. And I want to
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tell you, it's great. And
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also too, I had always planned
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a larger diameter tire and I knew that as
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the tire size goes up, you need
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numerically higher gears to get the same
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results. So I think maybe I was toying
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around with the idea
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of going with some 35 inch tires at that
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time and 35 inch tires
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with the 456 gears would be
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really close to stock gearing. It would
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be very close as to how
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the engine, how many RPMs the
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engine would turn and how much force it
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would have to give to put out
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to push the Jeep along. Now,
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of course, that varies because of the
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weight of the tires and other
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things I've added to the Jeep,
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items that have changed the airflow and
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also to added additional
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weight. So I'm sorry, I was just
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looking here at the chat room and Weldman
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says, "Tony, what's your
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RPM at 60 miles per hour?"
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I don't have it in front of me, but I
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believe it would be 2500 RPM.
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I know for a fact that at 80
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miles an hour, it's 3000 and I believe at
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70, it is 2800. So yeah,
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it's pretty high. And just like
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me on that NAXJ website, the 4.0 can turn
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3000 RPM all day long and
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it surely can. It has no
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problem doing that whatsoever. Although I
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did get heat creep,
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which was the cooling system
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gradually heating up and I believe it's
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because of that additional
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RPM that the engine is turning.
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And I'm sure it has to do with airflow
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and additional weight
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and so on and so forth
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and aerodynamics. So anyway, I changed
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out the 355 gears with 456 gears and
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continued to measure
24:23
my fuel consumption versus mileage gained
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over that fuel usage from
24:33
week to week. And I say week
24:34
to week, it's whenever I filled up and
24:36
generally speaking, I can
24:38
go a week to whatever job I'm
24:41
on a tank of gas. And I have the 20
24:43
gallon tank on the Jeep Cherokee and that
24:48
effectively is about
24:50
I think 18.6 gallons is the most I've
24:54
ever been able to get in a tank. And
24:56
that's with the power
25:00
dropping off. In other words, the
25:01
injectors weren't putting
25:04
out as much fuel as what they
25:06
because the tank was almost empty. So I
25:10
read something about that. I think it's,
25:12
you have to measure up the tube and it
25:14
doesn't pick up all the
25:15
fuel that's in there and so on
25:16
and so forth. I don't know. They may even
25:18
have it set that way
25:19
because they don't want the fuel
25:21
pump to the fuel pumps in the tank. So I
25:24
think they do that. They
25:25
may do that because they don't
25:26
want the fuel pump to not be in some fuel
25:30
because they actually use
25:31
the fuel to cool the fuel pump.
25:34
And I have, I think I also read someplace
25:36
you're not supposed
25:37
to run a tank more than
25:40
three quarters empty that you needed to
25:43
have at least a quarter tank
25:44
of fuel in there. Otherwise,
25:45
you could overheat the fuel pump. But
25:48
I've been doing it for
25:50
the longest time. I mean,
25:51
I've had this Jeep since 98 and it's
25:55
still going. Of course,
25:57
the fuel pump could also be
25:58
the culprit in a mile per gallon issue.
26:03
But anyway, I went with the 456 gears,
26:05
continued to measure the gas mileage, and
26:08
I noticed a significant
26:09
jump almost immediately.
26:11
And it went looking at the graph over
26:16
just that very short period
26:18
of time from around July to the
26:22
end of July. My miles per gallon
26:24
increased by around two
26:26
miles to two and a half miles per
26:28
gallon. Now, that may not seem like that
26:31
big a deal, but if you're
26:33
getting around 10 and now
26:34
you're getting up close to 13 miles per
26:38
gallon, that makes you
26:40
feel good that the $1,500 that
26:43
you spent to have this done by the gears
26:47
and have them installed. And not to
26:50
mention the time that
26:51
I spent there at the mechanics place
26:53
watching and helping, it
26:55
makes you feel good that you got
26:56
a little bang for your buck. Now, I
26:59
haven't gone through the how much fuel
27:00
could I have bought and
27:02
how much fuel did I save? And I probably
27:05
don't want to know. And
27:09
that's really it. I mean,
27:11
that's it. That's the only thing that I
27:12
have seen a change in three
27:15
years of collecting mile per
27:16
gallon data that made any significant
27:20
improvement. Now, what I will add is over
27:23
that same time period,
27:25
I've added a bumper that a front front
27:28
winch bumper that
27:29
probably weighs 90 to 100 pounds.
27:33
I've added a super winch, a 9,000 pound
27:37
pulling rated pulling super
27:39
winch that I know is 70 or 80
27:43
pounds on top of that I've added. And I
27:47
think I just throw this in
27:49
because at least from the
27:51
wind resistance, I've added four KC
27:55
daylighter, six inch daylighter off-road
28:01
lights to that bumper,
28:02
which weighs a little bit. A couple of
28:05
D-rings on that bumper, so I
28:08
got all that weight. And even
28:10
prior to that custom front bumper that I
28:12
have on there, I added a custom rear
28:16
bumper and it probably
28:18
weighs, it probably weighs more than what
28:22
the front bumper does. Well, it probably
28:27
weighs about the same actually because
28:29
the bumper itself probably weighs 90 or
28:31
so pounds. There's an
28:32
additional tire carrier added to that
28:36
bumper so that I can put a
28:37
spare tire. And then also
28:40
there's the spare tire, which is probably
28:44
40, 50 pounds, maybe more.
28:48
So all's hold, we're probably
28:50
talking about 300 pounds of weight added
28:53
to the Jeep just in
28:54
bumpers, winch, and spare tire. And
28:59
I guess really that's about it for the
29:01
weight adding because it
29:03
already had skid plates
29:04
at various places. I did take the front
29:06
skid plate off, which
29:08
I'm going to put back on
29:10
just to see if I can help the heat creep
29:12
problem, but to promote
29:15
airflow through the radiator
29:16
instead of maybe under the Jeep. But
29:19
anyway, so that's one thing
29:21
that I found very interesting.
29:22
You hear a lot on the forums that adding
29:28
this additional weight
29:30
to your Jeep is going to
29:33
really hurt your gas mileage. At least in
29:36
my case, not true.
29:38
Absolutely not true. Now it is always
29:42
possible that the various things that
29:44
I've been trying to
29:45
improve my gas mileage have been,
29:48
are not visible over a very short period
29:51
of time in the measurement
29:53
of my gas mileage. And those
29:56
improvements actually are offsetting the
29:59
negative things that I've
30:00
done to the Jeep as far as gas
30:02
mileage goes. And those negative things
30:04
would be the addition of all
30:06
that weight and the change in
30:08
airflow around the general brick shape of
30:12
the Jeep. So I don't know.
30:19
All I can tell you is that
30:21
I have not seen a difference in gas
30:23
mileage. I am still getting the, most of
30:27
the time it's around
30:29
12.7, 12.8 to 13.2, 13.3. With
30:34
opportunities to go to 13.6 and I do a
30:38
little dance and a little
30:41
smiley face as I'm accelerating wildly
30:44
going to work. I usually
30:46
fill up, get gas on the way to
30:49
work. So, and actually that's what I've
30:51
read that that's the best time to get
30:53
fuel is in the morning
30:54
because the fuel is cooler. The atoms are
30:58
closer packed together
31:01
and you get more fuel
31:03
in your vehicle than you do if it's hot.
31:06
Actually in the early morning
31:09
hours after the fuel has had
31:11
time to cool down is probably the best
31:13
time. If you have a
31:14
refrigeration unit that you can put
31:16
over the top of the storage tanks that
31:18
would help you even more. So anyway,
31:21
that's kind of my bottom
31:23
I have not improved my fuel economy by
31:27
better driving. I have not
31:29
improved it by really any
31:33
means that I can see. The data does not
31:37
bear out that oh and I
31:39
also installed a performance
31:41
distributor firewire 4.0 kit in the hopes
31:45
that it would give me a
31:47
better spark and give me better
31:50
combustion of the air fuel mixture and
31:52
basically you know give me
31:54
more bang for the fuel buck
31:58
and that did not occur. That did not
32:00
occur on my vehicle now. We
32:03
recently gave away a performance
32:06
distributor firewire kit about a $200
32:08
value 170 at least to a
32:12
xjtalk.com member and show listener.
32:15
In the chat room tonight, Weldman, I like
32:19
to call him Weldman and he
32:21
recently installed it on his
32:23
Jeep. Kurt what year is he says grr he
32:29
doesn't like Weldman.
32:30
What year is your Jeep, Kurt?
32:34
I think I'm saying your name wrong.
32:36
Weldman's Jeep is a 1995
32:39
so it's three years older
32:42
than my Jeep and he was able to install
32:45
his firewire kit and gap his plugs 0.054
32:51
that if I recall his post correctly and
32:55
he says he has received a
32:57
increase in throttle response
33:00
and I think he's very hopeful. Kurt is
33:02
also getting pretty bad
33:06
gas mileage. I think he's
33:07
getting around 140 miles per tank of gas
33:11
and Kurt is that a 20
33:17
gallon tank or is it the
33:19
what's the other one that they have a 16
33:21
15 gallon I think so
33:23
it's a 20 gallon okay.
33:24
See I'm getting around anywhere from 215
33:28
to 230 miles out of a
33:32
tank of gas on my vehicle.
33:35
So that's almost 100 miles to a tank more
33:40
than what you're getting.
33:41
Now I've pretty much always
33:43
been getting that though and that didn't
33:45
change with the firewire
33:46
kit. Now I didn't gap my spark
33:49
plugs. I think well you read the article
33:52
that I wrote up on that
33:53
most recently Kurt. I guess
33:55
I had forgotten. I think that it is oh
33:59
Kurt says he's at 142 as of today. How
34:01
much gas do you have
34:02
I mean what does it
34:03
say on the fuel meter?
34:08
Just waiting for him to type in his
34:10
response. Oh wow well
34:13
actually if I was sorry he Kurt
34:17
Weldman responded with just over half a
34:19
tank. So did you fill up
34:22
right after you put the firewire
34:23
kit on or had you already used some gas?
34:25
He said no on Sunday. So I
34:29
guess I don't understand.
34:31
You filled up on Sunday and then you
34:35
installed the kit or you installed the
34:37
kit and then filled up
34:38
on Sunday. I can't remember did you put
34:40
the kit in on Saturday or
34:41
you installed it yesterday?
34:42
Okay so oh and the other thing I had
34:45
posted up did you reset the
34:47
ECM because you know you need
34:49
to reset your ECM so it can relearn
34:51
everything. Yeah because and I think
34:54
that's a I think that
34:54
was a correct statement that I made in
34:56
that post. I mean you
34:58
made a significant change
35:00
to the ignition system and those of you
35:02
that aren't familiar the
35:04
performance distributor kit
35:05
is a higher voltage coil and this isn't
35:09
unusual this has been doing
35:10
they've been doing stuff like
35:11
this. People have been coming up with
35:13
higher voltage coils and
35:16
plug wires that are faster to
35:19
move that that energy from the the the
35:21
coil to the plug and hotter
35:23
burning plugs and etc etc.
35:25
That stuff has been going on for years.
35:27
It's not some new
35:30
pseudoscience thing. It does work. They
35:32
use it in racing. So anyway the
35:34
performance distributor kit
35:35
basically is a higher voltage
35:37
coil some high temperature plug wires.
35:40
The plug wires are really
35:41
nice and it allows you to run
35:46
a greater spark and a bigger gap on your
35:49
spark plug. Again giving a
35:51
better larger spark to make
35:54
hopefully to ignite the air fuel mixture
35:57
more completely giving you more
36:01
giving you more oomph for the buck. So
36:05
Kurt has installed one
36:07
installed a kit on his
36:08
his Jeep and I know he's hopeful and I
36:11
certainly am too that he's going to see a
36:14
a mile per gallon performance. He says he
36:16
already feels a seat of the pants change
36:19
more power. Kurt what you have the 355
36:22
gears. Kurt just says
36:25
huge. It's a huge change.
36:28
You have 355 gears in your axles right
36:31
and what size tires? Well I love that
36:33
complete silence when
36:34
I stop talking. So he's got 30 inch
36:37
tires. So he's all about if I remember
36:41
right that's about three
36:42
inches or an inch and a half on either
36:45
side of the tire bigger than
36:46
a stock tire because I think
36:48
stock tires are 27 inch. Yeah 2.5. Okay
36:52
so well that's good. You
36:54
know it's amazing it's just
36:56
amazing that you are getting that bad of
36:58
gas mileage on 30 inch
37:00
tires. Man anyway I don't
37:04
want to go I have a bunch of questions
37:05
I'd like to ask you and probably
37:07
redundant questions that
37:08
you've been asked like changing o2
37:10
sensors and so on so forth. I mean I
37:13
firmly believe that a bad
37:15
o2 sensor is could give you bad gas
37:18
mileage. I mean if it's not
37:19
giving the most accurate data
37:21
to the ECM the ECM is not going to be
37:24
able to determine what the
37:27
proper air fuel mixture is
37:28
going to be and so on and so forth. Yeah
37:30
that's the other thing
37:31
that was my question. Wellman
37:33
says no codes question mark and that was
37:37
that was what I always
37:38
thought if it's not throwing a code
37:40
if the check engine light's not coming on
37:42
your dash then the o2 sensor must be okay
37:44
and they said not so that the o2 sensor
37:48
can be giving erroneous
37:50
information but it's still within
37:52
the the acceptable limits for the
37:55
computer to say okay you know I'll deal
37:58
with that and I don't know
38:00
if that means that it has the ability to
38:02
adjust well enough to not to
38:08
significantly impact the
38:10
mile per gallon that you get or if it
38:13
just means it doesn't matter it could be
38:15
that it just it just
38:16
doesn't matter it's just not that
38:18
critical and it could be the latter and
38:21
that might be why when I
38:22
change the o2 sensors and I've changed
38:24
the o2 sensors several
38:25
times that that's why it didn't
38:28
make a difference. Now I will add looking
38:30
at the data over the last
38:33
well in 2010 I did see a on
38:37
average a decline in my miles per gallon
38:42
by maybe two tenths of a of a
38:45
mile per gallon. It probably
38:47
is closer to a tenth and like I said
38:50
earlier I think that you
38:51
have to measure this over a long
38:53
period of time to really get a sense of
38:56
what your your fuel mileage
38:57
is because it is it varies
39:00
drastically. One of the things that I
39:02
have noticed though is if you
39:04
look at how many miles you are
39:07
on a tank of gas that seems to be and
39:11
it's probably it's
39:12
probably the difference in the
39:15
decimal point numbers as opposed to the
39:17
mile numbers but just not
39:20
really thinking about it I guess.
39:23
You know that always screws things up
39:25
when you think about it.
39:27
I've noticed that the anyway the
39:28
number of miles on a tank of gas is
39:31
pretty much always the same. I know it's
39:34
going to be 200 miles
39:36
at least and it probably is going to be
39:39
230 if I really want to push
39:41
it. I mean I've seen it 235
39:43
and I guess I just get a little nervous
39:45
and when I get to around 210
39:49
212 it shows empty and you know
39:54
I don't carry a fuel can on my Jeep so if
39:58
it if it stops running then
40:01
I'm walking or I'm trying to
40:04
a gasoline station. So there's just so
40:06
much that you you know how there's so
40:08
much you want to chance
40:09
it. So anyway bottom line is over three
40:13
years or almost three years
40:14
here in two months it'll be
40:15
three years of collecting mile per gallon
40:18
data. I have seen no
40:21
significant change in my mile miles
40:25
per gallon either to the positive or to
40:27
the negative with the
40:29
exception of changing the
40:33
front and rear differential gears going
40:35
from 355 stock to 456
40:40
not stock. I would be very
40:42
interested in knowing what it would be
40:44
like to be on 410 gears. Now what I'm
40:47
going to be doing here
40:48
in the next few months maybe just a month
40:51
or so just depends is
40:54
changing the tires. I'm going to
40:56
be going from the 32 11.5 by 15 to the
41:02
the new KM2. I have the KM1s
41:06
mud terrains on my vehicle now
41:08
which I'm sure doesn't help the gas
41:10
mileage because of those those big lugs.
41:13
But I'm going to be going
41:14
to the KM2 because they don't make KM1s
41:17
anymore otherwise I'd just
41:18
be getting another shot of
41:19
those. But I'm going to be going to the
41:21
33 by 12.5 by 15 tires. Now the KM2 at
41:27
least in my layman's
41:29
opinion is not even though they're mud
41:31
terrain they they are not
41:33
as aggressive as the KM's.
41:37
The the lugs are closer together and they
41:41
they look to me to be more of a
41:44
all terrain tire. Now they do still have
41:47
all terrain BFG all
41:50
terrain tires and they're not
41:52
as aggressive as this tread pattern. So
41:55
I've heard that the the KM2s
41:57
are quieter. I've heard that the
41:59
KM2s I've heard they work well so you
42:04
know maybe I'm hoping it's
42:05
just it's just computers. Able to
42:08
the same response from a better tread
42:12
pattern. And I suspect that it may
42:16
balance out the since I'm
42:17
going wider an inch wider on the tire
42:20
it's going to be more contact between my
42:24
vehicle and the road
42:25
which is going to mean more friction
42:27
which should mean a drop in I mean logic
42:29
says that it should be
42:31
a drop in miles per gallon. And I will be
42:34
changing out the the
42:35
gear in the speedometer gear
42:39
in the transfer case to so that it will
42:41
measure the measure the
42:44
distance and therefore the speed
42:46
correctly. And so my mile per gallon
42:48
should still be accurate and
42:50
and I'm not going to drive it
42:52
without changing out that gear. I'll get
42:53
the gear before I get the
42:55
tires and I'll have it ready and
42:56
I'll swap it out or I'll do it shortly
42:58
thereafter. So it would be a very small
43:01
statistical bump on the
43:02
the mile per gallon radar even if I
43:05
change it out a day or so later. So I
43:09
will be sure and correct
43:10
that but it's very interesting to see
43:12
that nothing has made a change and I'm
43:14
also interested to see
43:15
if it's going to make any any real change
43:18
with a larger tire. Now I
43:20
was thinking about going to a
43:21
35 inch tire and for two reasons. I like
43:25
the you know to me the bigger the tire
43:27
the better it looks.
43:29
And also too with the 35 inch tire I
43:32
would be closer to the
43:35
right ratio with the 456 gears.
43:39
I'd be very close to stock gearing. In
43:42
other words I would be very
43:44
close to the same gearing I was
43:47
with the stock tire and the 355 gears in
43:52
the in the axles. The
43:54
problem with putting the 35 inch
43:56
tires on these axles the Dana 30 up front
44:00
and the cross array 0.25 and back is it
44:03
puts a lot of stress
44:04
a lot of torque on those axles and on all
44:07
the parts. It also
44:09
puts more stress on the
44:12
steering box and even how it mounts to
44:14
the to the unibody. So there's a lot of
44:17
things that you really
44:18
need to do to beef up your your Jeep to
44:22
run 35s or 36s or 37s or or
44:26
whatever. But people have found
44:29
they can pretty well get away with
44:31
running 33 inch tires morning noon and
44:34
night and the engineering
44:38
of the Jeep Cherokee is sufficient enough
44:41
to to to do that. Now
44:43
that's substantial I mean
44:44
that's I think that's a good four what is
44:47
that three four five
44:50
that's that's five inches wider
44:53
or taller I should say diameter tires
44:56
than the stock tires. So you
44:58
know that's giving you another
44:59
two and a half inches of ground clearance
45:01
basically. So that's
45:02
significant it really is a 33
45:04
inches really is a big tire and I
45:08
wouldn't think that just a half inch
45:10
bigger on either side of the
45:11
the 32 that I have would would make
45:15
physically look like that big of a
45:16
difference. But I was
45:19
went off road with a XJTalk member and
45:21
friend about a year or so
45:24
ago and he had just gotten a
45:26
set of KM2 33 inch tires and when I saw
45:30
them I thought they were
45:31
35s. They were just huge and
45:34
looked so much bigger than mine and they
45:36
were just a an inch
45:38
taller and an inch wider. So
45:42
I would like to see what what it would do
45:45
and who knows I might be
45:47
able to run across somebody on
45:48
the site that has some 35 inch tires that
45:51
I can just swap out and
45:53
and drive them for a week and
45:56
see what it would be like from the
45:59
standpoint of gas mileage
46:02
and that heat creep problem
46:03
I was talking about. So I don't know I've
46:06
talked a lot about about
46:07
the mile per gallon a lot more
46:08
than what I thought I was going to and
46:10
actually I thought we were
46:10
going to have a short show today
46:12
but I guess I got on a rant. Let's see a
46:16
triple back over here to the
46:17
the chat room and catch up.
46:20
So let's see I think Weldman was asking
46:23
me a question. Tony do
46:24
you have a six inch on that
46:26
red thing? I would assume that you're
46:28
referring to the the lift
46:30
it's a four and a half inch lift.
46:32
So yeah 27 inch tire I think is the stock
46:35
size. I'm just seeing
46:37
VW Fool says they are
46:40
say beefy as hell though they are ran
46:43
with 456 and 33s you get the same mpg.
46:47
I'm trying to read here
46:49
VW what do you mean the same mpg is what?
46:53
The 456 is with the
46:55
33s you get the same mpg
46:56
a mile per gallon is is running what?
46:59
Okay well that's interesting he says
47:02
versus 355 gears and
47:05
225 or sorry 235 I think that's a metric
47:09
measurement of the tire. Oh with Dana 60s
47:12
as stock axles. Yeah but the Dana 60s and
47:15
I guess I'm going on going
47:16
against the thing I've already
47:17
said the Dana 60s are really heavy and
47:20
boy you know just by their nature you
47:22
have to put a bigger
47:24
on them because if you run data 60s with
47:27
small tires you know you're
47:30
you're defeating the whole
47:31
purpose of lifting lifting the vehicle to
47:34
start with because you
47:35
want to get that pumpkin that
47:37
differential higher off the ground and
47:40
the Dana 60s are just huge
47:43
pumpkins and they're going to
47:45
be close close to the ground so I think
47:47
you need a 35 inch tire
47:49
minimum on a Dana 60. Of course
47:52
nice thing about the Dana 60 I think you
47:54
can run pretty much
47:56
anything up to a monster truck tire
48:01
it's going to take it 54 inch tires I
48:04
don't think were a problem
48:06
for Dana 60s and that would just
48:08
be you know incredible it would be a lot
48:11
of fun to have a vehicle with
48:14
a big lift and big tires and
48:18
some some badass axles it's certainly not
48:21
going to be a trail
48:22
vehicle or climbing vehicle like
48:24
what the the Jeep Cherokee is so I don't
48:27
know if you guys I think
48:29
many of you realize that maybe
48:30
some that aren't into the off-road thing
48:33
just you just see the
48:34
lifted vehicles on the street.
48:37
When you see a truck that's lifted a good
48:40
foot two foot in the air
48:41
and has these massive tires
48:44
on them but it is very impressive very
48:46
cool to look but for all
48:48
intensive purposes those are
48:50
road warriors you aren't going to see
48:53
those off-road and if
48:54
you do see them off-road
48:56
it's going to be mud and even at that one
48:59
of the vehicles get when
49:01
the vehicles are really heavy
49:04
like the the big Ford 350s and stuff they
49:08
get so heavy that you
49:09
it's not a good idea to run
49:11
because they're going to get stuck no
49:13
matter what size tire you have on there
49:15
and now you've got a
49:16
nice 70-80 thousand dollar vehicle stuck
49:20
in the mud and it's so damn
49:21
heavy and it's and and with
49:22
the addition of the the friction of the
49:25
mud you got something that
49:27
you can't you can't put enough
49:29
stuff on it to pull it out so you know
49:32
there really are just road warriors and
49:36
they're a lot of fun.
49:36
If I get an opportunity to get another
49:39
four-wheel drive pickup I
49:41
will but it is different from the
49:43
Jeep. The Jeep is a very fun vehicle to
49:48
take off-road to drive on
49:49
the street off the street and
49:52
it's like it's kind of like having a goat
49:54
that doesn't eat the eat
49:55
the cans it will pretty much
49:58
go anywhere any little spot you want to
50:00
go and of course I've been looking at
50:03
these Suzuki Samurai's
50:05
talk about small and and going places
50:07
they are you're talking
50:08
about something that's
50:10
maybe half the size of a Jeep one of the
50:13
Wranglers. Wow those things are pretty
50:16
amazing I can see how
50:17
that would be a lot of fun to drive those
50:18
things around. You get the
50:19
you get a good lift out of it
50:21
and get some some good sized tires plus
50:23
the they're very short
50:25
and narrow and can they seem
50:29
to be able to go go lots of places as
50:30
well. So yep I'm not
50:32
going to be able to get to the
50:34
to the Jeep cooling. I'll suffice it to
50:37
say I've changed
50:39
everything on my cooling system
50:42
with the exception of the heater core
50:44
which isn't directly the cooling system
50:47
but the coolant does
50:50
through it. So I've changed all that and
50:54
upgraded all of it. Yeah
50:57
well the hoses are still made of
50:59
rubber and you know they're still basic
51:02
hoses they have been changed I
51:03
won't call that an upgrade but
51:04
I have modified the the rest of it. It
51:07
does cool much better but as
51:10
I was saying earlier in the
51:11
program I do have this issue with heat
51:12
creep going down the highway the cooling
51:16
system is not capable
51:18
of keeping up with the amount of heat
51:20
that's being generated by the
51:22
engine and traditionally that
51:24
means that the traditionally that means
51:27
that the you're not getting
51:30
enough airflow through the
51:31
radiator and certainly the the the custom
51:35
bumper winch and off-road
51:38
lights would be would seem to
51:39
be the culprit for that however and I'm
51:43
not saying they're not not
51:44
keeping the airflow from going
51:46
through I'm sure they are but I was
51:48
having this issue before
51:50
I changed up that bumper.
51:52
But I can drive off-road, crawl, a lot of
51:57
torque, a lot of
51:57
horsepower usage, off-road,
52:00
very low speeds and running the air
52:04
conditioner which just seems kind of
52:06
counterintuitive but you
52:08
know I'm a fat boy I don't want to be out
52:10
there sweating making my
52:11
own gravy. So driving around
52:14
air conditioner blaring 9500 degrees air
52:18
temps and had no problems with it
52:20
overheating. So all the
52:22
all modifications that I've made
52:24
definitely helped but I still got to fix
52:27
this heat creep issue so
52:28
that I can actually drive it on the
52:29
highway and of course that
52:30
was one of the reasons why I was
52:31
looking at doing the 35 35 inch tires to
52:35
see if it was an RPM related issue. Get
52:39
the RPMs back down to
52:41
2200 at 70 miles per hour and I think
52:44
that's right. I think 2200
52:46
RPM and 2300 is about what
52:50
it was when it was stock. It's another
52:52
one of those things
52:52
before you start making changes
52:54
make notes of things because then you
52:56
wind up having to go back
52:58
and ask people what their stock
52:59
vehicle does. I dearly wish I had done a
53:03
good gas mileage measurement
53:07
on my stock Jeep especially
53:08
when I first got it. You know the fuel
53:10
was a dollar something a
53:12
gallon back then and it just
53:13
really didn't matter. So Weldman is
53:15
screaming at me here in the chat room he
53:17
says Tony Reed let's
53:18
see. Weldman says that I don't know how
53:22
far back I'm supposed to go Kurt but
53:23
Weldman says Tony my
53:25
temps went down with the firewire kit and
53:28
37 exclamation marks
53:29
after that and yeah I didn't
53:31
see that. I didn't see that occur. Let's
53:35
see always on four trucks and Jeeps and
53:38
VW water cooled cars
53:43
Mustangs as well. Okay VW Fool says I
53:47
can't get my temps over 160 not that good
53:51
need to change up my
53:52
T-stat to a 180 or 190. Yeah everything
53:56
I've read as far as miles
53:58
per gallon you want to go with
54:00
the 190. I think the 190 is the stock at
54:04
least on the the 98s the HO
54:07
engines 190 degree thermostat
54:10
is the stock and you do want to and I
54:13
learned the hard way a thermostat will
54:16
not lower your temps.
54:17
It'll just keep the the the coolant
54:20
temperature cooler longer once it once
54:23
the temperature rises
54:26
the thermostat is open and it doesn't
54:27
matter it's going to run at
54:29
whatever it's going to run at so
54:31
it just means it'll open sooner and it
54:33
will stay cooler longer but
54:36
if you're if you're going any
54:38
place over any distance it's going to
54:39
rise to whatever whatever
54:41
the value is whatever the
54:42
balance between how much heat the the
54:44
engine is creating and how
54:46
much how much you're able to cool
54:48
that coolant as it moves through the
54:50
radiator and the water
54:52
jackets and so so forth so
54:54
I understand it now thermostat just
54:57
delays the inevitable I
54:59
should say and I certainly saw that
55:00
because I tried it I put 180 degree
55:02
thermostat on mine and it basically
55:06
served to help me freeze my
55:08
ass off during our winters and remember
55:11
our winters aren't very
55:12
very bad here I mean we're
55:13
talking about some 38 degree days 40
55:15
degree days and man it was
55:17
cold and cheap it was really cold
55:19
in the jeep I know I'm a big baby I don't
55:22
know what cold is but I
55:24
do like the cold it's very
55:26
pleasurable not breaking a sweat getting
55:30
out of the jeep and walking
55:31
into the house but it gets a
55:33
little a little tiresome whenever you're
55:38
driving an hour two or from
55:39
work to not have the heat in
55:42
the jeep I kind of learned that that one
55:44
that 190 I keep wanting to
55:46
say 195 but I believe it's 190
55:48
degree thermostat that one made a big
55:51
difference as far as keeping the jeep
55:53
nice and warm and even
55:55
at that with all the the modifications I
55:57
made to the cooling system
55:58
it takes a little while longer
56:00
to heat up to and get some some nice
56:03
temps out of the out of the heater so
56:08
guys I I did a whole
56:10
hour tonight I was thinking I would be
56:11
doing this for about 30
56:12
minutes but I appreciate the the
56:16
people that showed up in the chat room
56:18
and the interaction it's
56:19
always fun I enjoy the I enjoy
56:22
the show personally a lot more whenever
56:25
we have some some folks in
56:26
the in the chat room so thank
56:28
you very much and and Kurt my apologies
56:31
for not getting that that
56:32
firework hit to you sooner
56:34
but you got it and you are having fun
56:37
with it and and all it cost you was a
56:39
little time to record
56:40
promos and a little bit of a bitching and
56:46
complaining about
56:47
where the hell is it so and
56:49
that reminds me if you would like to to
56:52
call in and you know
56:54
leave a promo for the show
56:56
hell that'd be great in fact I'll play
56:58
one here at the end of the
56:59
music and you can kind of see
57:00
what I'm talking about but just call our
57:03
feedback line and throw in
57:05
a question maybe you've got
57:07
something that you'd like to add to the
57:08
mob or gallon thing that I
57:10
talked about tonight you know
57:11
maybe you've seen something different
57:13
than me call in let me know
57:15
I'll share it with the audience
57:16
I'll share it with myself I'd like to
57:18
know and of course you can
57:19
always post on the on xjtalk.com
57:23
one of the jeep premier websites on the
57:26
internet that thing that
57:27
algore invented so anyway the
57:30
number is 530-675-4102 530-675-4102 it's
57:39
only voicemail don't
57:40
have to worry about anybody
57:41
answering call anytime of the day or
57:43
night and you know promo question
57:47
feedback whatever you like
57:48
so until next week this is Tony motoroy
57:51
on xjtalk.com wishing
57:53
you very happy jeep days
57:55
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