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55KRC Friday Show - Ken Kober, Tech Friday, Peter Bronson, Signal 99 · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: By BO five fifty five k r C, the talk
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Speaker 1: station Happy Friday. Some say, well, gotta be Friday. Thanks
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Speaker 1: Joe Strecker, Executiroduceer. My name's Brian Thomas, host to the
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Speaker 1: fifty five KRC Morning Show, and so happy it is Friday,
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Speaker 1: like I always am. Uh, We're gonna have an interesting
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Speaker 1: show this morning. I'm you probably got the word police
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Speaker 1: Chief Thiegi got fired. Oh sorry, administrative leaf Thigi got fired. Anyway.
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Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of questions swirling around that, which is
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Speaker 1: good because today's day we get to hear from fl
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Speaker 1: P President Ken Kober. He was interviewed by local news
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Speaker 1: the other day. He's interested in seeing what happens with
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Speaker 1: plea Chief Thiji as well. Uh and backing her should say.
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Speaker 1: I was like, if he suggests that she should, he's
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Speaker 1: going to kick back and watch the fight, and she
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Speaker 1: is going to fight Steve im her attorney, is going
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Speaker 1: to have a press conference today two pm. You can
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Speaker 1: keep your popcorn after that one, President Ken Cober, he'll
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Speaker 1: break down what happened yesterday Cheryl Long's letter, which we
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Speaker 1: can dive into some of the details on here, and
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Speaker 1: what she cited as the reasons for the termination in
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Speaker 1: question out loud whether it meets the criteria because Police
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Speaker 1: Chief Thiji had been acting as police chief more than
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Speaker 1: six months, and under the city Charter, the chief can
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Speaker 1: only be removed, and Cheryl Long does have exclusive control
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Speaker 1: and authority over whether the hiring and firing and the chief,
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Speaker 1: which Christopher Smitheman's initiative may change, requiring the city Council
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Speaker 1: members to have a say in that, which I think
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Speaker 1: is a good idea. But after six months, accord to
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Speaker 1: the city Charter, chief can only be removed for cause
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Speaker 1: including here's your criteria, incompetency, inefficiency, dishonesty, in subordination, unsatisfactory performance,
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Speaker 1: any other failure of good behavior, any other acts of misfeasance,
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Speaker 1: mouthfeasance or nonfeasance in office, or conviction of any felony.
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Speaker 1: So I suppose because the city Charter says those are
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Speaker 1: the only only bases for termination. That's where Steve m
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Speaker 1: comes in. He files a lawsuit and claims that the
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Speaker 1: reasons Cheryl Long provided in justification for Police Chief Dji's
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Speaker 1: firing don't fall into those categories. That's what litigation is all.
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Speaker 1: And of course Cheryl Long, the City manager even acknowledged
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Speaker 1: quote potential litigation may follow. Yeah, that's why you hired
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Speaker 1: the second law firm after Frost brown Child investigated her
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Speaker 1: past in an effort to determine with hindsight whether or
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Speaker 1: not there was justification for placing your administrative leave. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: it is Friday Tech Friday me Dave Hatter coming up
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Speaker 1: with six thirty hackers hit. Oh, this is crazy. This
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Speaker 1: is the kind of stuff that scares me. Hackers hit
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Speaker 1: a water treatment plan server in a ransomware case not
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Speaker 1: in North Dakota, hit the water treatment plant computer system. Now,
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Speaker 1: the officials there said the water stayed safe, plant never
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Speaker 1: stopped operating, which is a good thing. But you know,
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Speaker 1: one more illustration about the porous nature of security, most
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Speaker 1: notably in connection with things that provide life like electricity
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Speaker 1: and water. So we'll get the details on that, find
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Speaker 1: out if it's more pervasive than just the one illustration here,
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Speaker 1: and I suggest it probably is. Plus, the scammer used
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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence generated Maga girl to grift what the person
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Speaker 1: that created this AI image to grift super dumb men.
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Speaker 1: People are so dumb when it comes to artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 1: That's not a real person you're dealing with the risk
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Speaker 1: of Chinese produced cellular modules. We talked about this a
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Speaker 1: little bit last week with Tech Friday's Day. We're going
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Speaker 1: to dive into some more of the details on that
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Speaker 1: coming up at six thirty. Beginning at six point thirty.
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Speaker 1: God bless Peter Bronson. He's a great guy. I just
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Speaker 1: really enjoy his I've talked to him so many times
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Speaker 1: History Tour was the name of the book. I read
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Speaker 1: it cover to cover and it is a great book.
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Speaker 1: All local stories and some of them pretty fascinating and intriguing.
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Speaker 1: So you got a new empower use seminar to check
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Speaker 1: out Peter Bronson at seven to five to talk about
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Speaker 1: that fast forward Yay Signal ninety nine. I hope you
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Speaker 1: know Signal ninety nine by now. She's an, of course,
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Speaker 1: an outspoken critic of a lot of things this current
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Speaker 1: city administration is doing, most totally in the areas of
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Speaker 1: law enforcement, we're going to break down her perceptions of
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Speaker 1: Sheryl Long's termination or basis for the termination letter, and
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Speaker 1: she's got some really good points to make. A lot
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Speaker 1: of the termination swirls around Chief Fiji's staffing and how
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Speaker 1: how many, specifically how many police officers were assigned to
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Speaker 1: do patrols. Now, if you're the boss of the company,
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Speaker 1: which police chief dji en roll of chief of police
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Speaker 1: over the police department would be the boss of the
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Speaker 1: police department. I know man's plating. Don't you think that
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Speaker 1: person has a better feel for the morale of the
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Speaker 1: Cincinni Police Department. Now, remember we start from the fact
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Speaker 1: that for a long time, now, thank you Black Lives
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Speaker 1: Matter and defund police organizations, we are working with fewer
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Speaker 1: officers than we don't have a full contingent. Ken can
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Speaker 1: talk about that. So you've got a finite number of
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Speaker 1: officers and less than well ideal number of police officers,
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Speaker 1: which means if you need more officers, you're gonna have
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Speaker 1: to pay them overtime. You have to tell them you
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Speaker 1: have to work, even if you've got stuff going on
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Speaker 1: on the weekend. You have to work, even if you
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Speaker 1: don't want to work. Mandatory overtime, and Police Chief Thesia
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Speaker 1: apparently did not force the officers in response to the
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Speaker 1: I guess the mayor city manager's request to have more
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Speaker 1: officers added, and I think that is probably a leadership decision.
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Speaker 1: That's what Signal ninety nine has projected in her writings
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Speaker 1: on this matter. She didn't push over time the way
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Speaker 1: the city wanted, and Signal ninety nine points out that's
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Speaker 1: not a failure, that's professional judgment. Who knows better about
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Speaker 1: how the police department feels. You gotta deal with morale,
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Speaker 1: and if the morale goes down anymore, it's not bad
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Speaker 1: enough that the public is out there rioting in the
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Speaker 1: street and screaming about police injustice and law. You know,
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Speaker 1: you don't even want to go to work. The people
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Speaker 1: that you were sworn to protect are out there, well,
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Speaker 1: at least a certain percentage of them. I'm convinced thoroughly,
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Speaker 1: especially since we've been living with this defund police nonsense
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Speaker 1: now for years and it has resulted in fewer police
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Speaker 1: on the street, which apparently a lot of people really
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Speaker 1: want more police. But if you don't want to lose
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Speaker 1: any more officers, you got to with this whole morale component.
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Speaker 1: I am exhausted, I don't want to work. I know
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Speaker 1: I'm being pay it overtime, but you know what, there's
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Speaker 1: something in the world that's more valuable than the extra
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Speaker 1: money you might pay me for putting my life in
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Speaker 1: jeopardy and trying to protect and serve a community that
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Speaker 1: maybe doesn't even like me. You know, it's my family.
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Speaker 1: I want to spend time with him. Well, who's better
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Speaker 1: position to know that the city manager who doesn't work
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Speaker 1: day to day with the police officers of the police
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Speaker 1: or the chief of police who's got to deal with
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Speaker 1: that reality. So yeah, she had the money to put
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Speaker 1: more people out there, but money does not translate into
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Speaker 1: a happy police department. Did police chief, did you do
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Speaker 1: the right thing by not packing the areas with enough
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Speaker 1: officers to satisfy the city manager? Have to have purval?
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Speaker 1: Was there more crime because of her decision making to
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Speaker 1: not mandate that police officers work overtime? Swirling questions around that?
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Speaker 1: So one thing is for certain. He bought some litigation.
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Speaker 1: I thoroughly believe that signal ninety nine at eighth five
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Speaker 1: and it is Friday. Jack Windsor from the High Press
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Speaker 1: Network Progressive Ohio State Senator still supports the Southern Poverty
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Speaker 1: Law Center. That's a good one interview with Bernie Marino
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Speaker 1: that he had. And finally, who are Ohioans supporting? This
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Speaker 1: is going to be a good interesting conversation with Jack
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Speaker 1: windsor Sprague or Sturbage, And that's one of those races.
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Speaker 1: I guess in the final analysis, I'm probably pretty comfortable
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Speaker 1: with either one. I have been thoroughly impressed by Marcel Sturbige.
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Speaker 1: I've talked to him a couple of times. That is
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Speaker 1: not to say I've got something against Sprague. But we
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Speaker 1: have this whole concern out there in the world about
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Speaker 1: getting new people, new blood versus the entrenched Republican Party
8:44
Speaker 1: affiliated folks. Some refer to them as rhinos. You have
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Speaker 1: to draw your own conclusions, and that's one of the
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Speaker 1: reasons Congressman Warren Davidson was on yesterday saying get out
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Speaker 1: and vote in the dam primary, which you should do.
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Speaker 1: And speaking of primaries, the I'll remind you today as
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Speaker 1: I said it yesterday, Sherry poll and Hamilton County Board
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Speaker 1: And I know the primary is not you know, the
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Speaker 1: the upcoming election is not really big on everyone's hit parade.
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Speaker 1: It's hard enough to get a handful of people to
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Speaker 1: go and vote on it, which makes it even more
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Speaker 1: difficult to get poll workers. But because there'll be fewer workers,
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Speaker 1: it'll be a light day for you. So work the polls,
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Speaker 1: do your civic duty, help out and ensure the integrity
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Speaker 1: of the election. And that way we won't have any
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Speaker 1: swirling questions about the integrity of the election. In the aftermath.
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Speaker 1: maybe there's some other area beyond the city of Cincinnati
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Speaker 1: and the hiring and firing a police chief. You want
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Speaker 1: to talk about, you can call me and we will.
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Speaker 1: Let me.
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Speaker 2: Tell you.
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Speaker 1: Tell truth anyway. Over to Cherylong's letter City Manager Share
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Speaker 1: Long outlining the reasons for her termination of Police Chief
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Speaker 1: DG yesterday termination letter. Going back to the summer safety plan.
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Speaker 1: I begged you to fill the police work details called
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Speaker 1: for in the summer plan. It was clear you were
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Speaker 1: not interested in anyone telling you what to do. Again,
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Speaker 1: going back to the idea of overtime and it was
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Speaker 1: described to thank you Cameron night Over the enquired for
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Speaker 1: explaining the difference between police work details. Police work details
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Speaker 1: and police visibility over time two different concepts. I was
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Speaker 1: not aware of them, which is a good thing. We
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Speaker 1: have Kencobra to come up maybe talk about that signal
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Speaker 1: ninety nine as well. Police work details, they say, refer
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Speaker 1: to times when private entities like businesses, hire officers to
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Speaker 1: work outside the normal shifts. You've seen those people next
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Speaker 1: standing outside of the church directing traffic. Since a police
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Speaker 1: department also has these police visibility over time where the
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Speaker 1: officers work outside beyond their shifts and paid for by
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Speaker 1: the city. I suppose that's the overtime hours demanded by
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Speaker 1: the police department as to an officer voluntarily agreeing to
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Speaker 1: work for a private entity outside his or her regular
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Speaker 1: detail off hours. Long's letter does not break down whether
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Speaker 1: or not she was referring to police visibility visibility rather
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Speaker 1: or police work details. I'm guessing it's got to be visibility,
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Speaker 1: because her insistence that they should have forced officers to
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Speaker 1: work overtime means the officers were not making a voluntary decision,
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Speaker 1: which they would be doing in connection with agreed to
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Speaker 1: work for a private entity. At least that's the way
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Speaker 1: I'm reading it right now. And Long pointed out that
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Speaker 1: TIJI admitted to having the money needed for staffing but
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Speaker 1: didn't act, saying, you claim the data did not support
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Speaker 1: filing details in areas like Washington Park. You did not
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Speaker 1: mandate overtime to fill the details, even though you admitted it.
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Speaker 1: You could have, and that goes back to that judgment
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Speaker 1: the crime. I get the impression DJ thought the crime
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Speaker 1: data didn't really support adding the additional officers in this
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Speaker 1: particular area, that everything was going to be fine with
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Speaker 1: a number of officers she'd assigned, and then balancing the need
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Speaker 1: that data didn't support the additional officers I'm guessing, and
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Speaker 1: then pivoting over to look at the morale of the
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Speaker 1: police department. These people have been worked to death. We
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Speaker 1: don't have enough officers to well to make everyone's lives
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Speaker 1: at least manageable. So data said one thing. Data supported
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Speaker 1: the leaving the number of the contingent the way. It
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Speaker 1: is not forcing our officers to work overtime and putting
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Speaker 1: them in an area where the data didn't support the
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Speaker 1: need for them. That's an internal management kind of decision.
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Speaker 1: I would argue long criticized DJ for actions after the
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Speaker 1: October thirteen shooting in Fountain Square. Sang, although you said
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Speaker 1: that there were police on Fountain Square, which the word,
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Speaker 1: and that you filed all the details on Fountain Square,
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Speaker 1: you admitted that this was after I sent a text saying,
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Speaker 1: please please make the Fountain Square patrols happen, Please please
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Speaker 1: give it, give it to a sergeant. I should not
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Speaker 1: have had to beg you for this to do this.
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Speaker 1: Dig didn't attend in October fourteenth public safety meeting, which
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Speaker 1: was brought up in the letter. Okay, she went to
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Speaker 1: a play I get I'm just laughing about that, because
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Speaker 1: how many illustrations do we have of some person in
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Speaker 1: a position of authority not being on the job when
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Speaker 1: something hits the fan that you really couldn't necessarily anticipate
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Speaker 1: it in advance, you know, I Los Angeles, Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: mayor was their name. That was it at Bass. She
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Speaker 1: was on vacation when the wildfires broke out. Now, there's
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of incompetence leading up to the wildfires,
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Speaker 1: which you can blame her on, perhaps, But who knew
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Speaker 1: the wildfires are gonna break out? I mean, you got
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Speaker 1: a plan, a vacation ahead of time. Look, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: be out of the office. So and of course something
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Speaker 1: bad happens when you're out of the office, you get
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Speaker 1: blamed for being out of the office. So, yes, she
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Speaker 1: went to a plan, didn't attend the public safety meeting.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what vital importance of the public safety meeting was,
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Speaker 1: but apparently serrel Long had a problem with that. She
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Speaker 1: said it an assistant chief to cover the meeting, so
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Speaker 1: it was covered by law enforcement. But apparently that person
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Speaker 1: was not prepared adequately to show up and listen to
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Speaker 1: a meeting. Also cited In the letter, Long said that
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Speaker 1: her staff was impeded from communicating with DJ's assistant, saying,
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Speaker 1: you showed an inability to build bridges and work with
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Speaker 1: important city partners with whom you disagreed. I circled important
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Speaker 1: city partners because I'm not quite sure what that means.
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Speaker 1: She specifically pointed toward the Board of Cincinnati Public Schools. Huh,
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Speaker 1: we should ask Tiji not to attend any more meetings,
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Speaker 1: complaining to mayor after have PARLVO about her after her
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Speaker 1: unannounced visit to a board meeting. What the school board
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Speaker 1: asked you not to come to any more meetings? Because
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Speaker 1: you attended a meeting and presented the school board with
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Speaker 1: essentially an invoice for the police department costs of dealing
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Speaker 1: with disorderly students, you damage this relationship. This exemplifies your
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Speaker 1: poor judgment. Huh. According to Long, Tiji didn't let her
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Speaker 1: or Pearlval know that she intended to go to the
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Speaker 1: school board meeting. I scratching my head over that. I
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Speaker 1: guess she went in her capacity as police chief, providing
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Speaker 1: them with information about the police department costs of dealing
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Speaker 1: with disorderly students. Maybe just to enlighten the school board
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Speaker 1: that they've got disorderly students. I don't know, but can
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Speaker 1: did she need to provide notice to the Sinceai Public
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Speaker 1: Schools that she was planning on attending a meeting? And
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Speaker 1: I'm left wondering why the Sincei Public Schools have some
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Speaker 1: measure of control over how police chief DD she decides
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Speaker 1: to do her job. Questions that will be addressed by
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Speaker 1: Ken Kober at six oh five and fast forward as
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Speaker 1: eight oh five A signal ninety nine. It just goes
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Speaker 1: on and on. So that's what litigation's all about. Man,
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Speaker 1: the city taxpayers. I'm guessing if I was a betting man,
16:33
Speaker 1: go to the poly market and place a bet. I
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Speaker 1: guess you can bet on the war's outcome. You can
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Speaker 1: bet on whether Maduro is gonna get ousted. You can
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Speaker 1: bet on the temperature of an airport. And some people
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Speaker 1: other local stories beyond Police Chief DG's firing. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: be talking about that with FOP President Kan Kober coming
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Speaker 1: up after the top of the hour news and of
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Speaker 1: course again at eight oh five was Signal ninety nine
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Speaker 1: and her breakdown on that as well as another story.
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Speaker 1: We had a fatality of fire fatality, and there's some
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Speaker 1: really swirling concerns over the response time, UH and how
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Speaker 1: much information was passed along to the fire department personnel
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Speaker 1: who risked their lives going into a burning building. There
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Speaker 1: were live people in the building. In fact, one was
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Speaker 1: on the nine to one to one call talking live
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Speaker 1: from the fire about how she's getting ready to die.
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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, some concerns o her whether that specific information
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Speaker 1: was passed along to the fire department. That's another topic
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Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine is going to be talking about and
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Speaker 1: She wrote extensively on that as well as the police
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Speaker 1: chief firing, so if you follow her on Facebook you
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Speaker 1: probably have all the details on her analysis of it.
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Speaker 1: But we'll get to talk with her again at eight
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Speaker 1: as well as California. A court to the US Attorney's
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Speaker 1: Office from the Northern District, Ohio, which came as an
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Speaker 1: announcement earlier this week. The five all citizens of Romania.
20:01
Speaker 1: Hey Joe, they're going after the Romanians? Is this racism?
20:05
Speaker 1: You can't you can't do this. That's racist. No, it's not.
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Speaker 1: If the word Somali was there, would you react as
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Speaker 1: that this is a racist charge? Okay? Moving past that,
20:17
Speaker 1: they're accused of using a point of sale skimmer to
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Speaker 1: steal sup A snap account information from low income families
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Speaker 1: and individuals, transferring the money into accounts to bank cards
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Speaker 1: that were then sold to others. Nine hundred and sixty
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Speaker 1: one thousand in total stolen or attempted to be stolen.
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Speaker 1: See here those charged where the skimmers were found in
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Speaker 1: Ohio Grand jury indictment EO nut Io n ut that's
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Speaker 1: the guy's first name aka Morgan Anderson, EU nut Elay
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Speaker 1: all right aka Morgan Anderson aka e nut Cratian circle
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Speaker 1: aka Lucas two L H L A D K Y.
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Speaker 1: I can't even pronounce that he's got like ten aliases.
21:08
Speaker 1: Along with Constantine, Eugene Eon also has an alias A
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Speaker 1: citizen of Mexico, the foregoing guy with the eight aliases
21:18
Speaker 1: or whatever, not legally president of the United States. Valencia
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Speaker 1: Velaqu aka Grassu aka Giannis Carraginis Dragos, Georgie the Cila,
21:30
Speaker 1: and Marion Alex Drew Simplican all right, So after embarrassing
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Speaker 1: myself and endeavoring to struggle through the Romanian names. We
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Speaker 1: have conspiracy to commit wire fraud and mail fraud, conspiracy
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Speaker 1: to commit access to vice fraud, conspiracy to commit identity theft,
21:45
Speaker 1: and sailor receipts stolen government moneys. Some facing additional charges
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Speaker 1: for re entry of a removed alien. The Ila guy
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Speaker 1: with the twelve aliases see I'm jumping around the number
21:56
Speaker 1: of aliuses anyway to carry out this that benefits theft.
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Speaker 1: In Ohio, the point of sales skimmers were mailed from
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Speaker 1: California to several locations including ups Or Mentor, Lake County
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Speaker 1: Mentor in Lake County. Skimmers then placed at seven eleven
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Speaker 1: stores in Toledo and Maple Heights, and at a Broadway
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Speaker 1: food center in Toledo. Investigators also found skimmers place to
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Speaker 1: the gas stations throughout the Cleveland Toledo area. Those devices
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Speaker 1: programmed to capture payment and personal information from the magnetic
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Speaker 1: strip when EBT cards were swiped, so at typical scamming
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Speaker 1: operation this involving snap Fortunately, we have an indictment more
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Speaker 1: and more fraud that is outright theft, and of course
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Speaker 1: it came from the mouths of people who are supposed
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Speaker 1: to need snap benefits to survive. Five point thirty five
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Speaker 1: right now, fifty five KR see the talk station stack, Oh,
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Speaker 1: stupid coming up at it must be Friday. The answers, yes,
22:47
Speaker 1: of course, always the case. Five one, three, seven, four nine,
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Speaker 1: fifty five hundred, eight hundred and eighty two three talk
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Speaker 1: by fifty one eighteen T phones. I feel like I'm
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Speaker 1: being ignored this morning since Tom didn't call anyway. All right,
23:16
Speaker 1: now the Joe Shuker got his primus fixed, we can
23:18
Speaker 1: move on to the stack and stupid, Yes he it's Friday,
23:20
Speaker 1: meaning what right? Naked people Ilaria, Ohio first naked story.
23:25
Speaker 1: Lorraine County Sheriff's office got a call about two thirty
23:27
Speaker 1: in the afternoon informing them that a man named Marquis
23:30
Speaker 1: Taylor was being released from the hospital and he had
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Speaker 1: an outstanding warrant for failure to appear in court. So
23:36
Speaker 1: deputy showed up at the hospital. They came across a
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Speaker 1: woman by the name of Asia Hunt, who happened to
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Speaker 1: be with this tailor guy. Deputy said she became loud, disorderly,
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Speaker 1: and combative, then arrested for disorderly conduct. Extructing official business
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Speaker 1: and assault on hospital staff. Marquis Taylor, the guy that
23:53
Speaker 1: came over for fled the hospital naked after struggling with
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Speaker 1: the hospital security guards. What nearby East in Heights Elementary
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Speaker 1: School had to be placed on lockdown because of this guy,
24:02
Speaker 1: and deputies along with the Illyria Police officers working in
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Speaker 1: tandem search Eastern Heights neighborhood for this guy, eventually found
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Speaker 1: him inside Old McKinley School, located next door to the hospital,
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Speaker 1: inside the duct work. He was arrested in taking Lorraine
24:18
Speaker 1: County Jail, other charges pending. We go to Columbia, Missouri,
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Speaker 1: where prosecutors there say they have charged Sidney Y. Jones,
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Speaker 1: happens to be forty one years old of Columbia, Missouri,
24:33
Speaker 1: with one misdemeanor count of first degree sexual misconduct. Why well.
24:36
Speaker 1: According to the Columbia Police Department probable cause statement six
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Speaker 1: point thirty, in the evening April eighteenth, police showed up
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Speaker 1: to report of a naked guy dancing in the vestibule
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Speaker 1: of an aldi store. Why are you doing that? I
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Speaker 1: don't think we'll ever find out? Joe Streker. Probable cause
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Speaker 1: statement did not disclose the specific location, but witness has
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Speaker 1: told police that multiple children were present there. Adults tried
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Speaker 1: to hide their children and prevent him from seeing the
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Speaker 1: naked guy later identified as Jones Sydney Jones. Guess what
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Speaker 1: was recorded on surveillance video? Shocking no One shows Jones
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Speaker 1: parking a vehicle, walking into the vestibule, then taking his
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Speaker 1: clothes off and proceeding to dance both inside and outside
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Speaker 1: the vestibule. Court document state Jones now banned from all
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Speaker 1: all the locations and of course booked into the jail.
25:24
Speaker 1: No bond on that one. Joey here was really drive
25:34
Speaker 1: you crazy when you don't find out the reason why.
25:36
Speaker 1: I mean just a little statement, but police believe he
25:38
Speaker 1: was intoxicated, or police believe the man was having a
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Speaker 1: mental health breakdown. I just want some little answer to
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Speaker 1: the question why why would someone go in and take
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Speaker 1: their clothes off and start dancing around in public in
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Speaker 1: front of kids. I'm going with that one too, Joe.
25:53
Speaker 1: It's easy to conclude that, but just for want of
25:55
Speaker 1: a little bit more information. Fort Myers, Florida, arrested there
26:00
Speaker 1: after being accused of stealing from a gas station and
26:03
Speaker 1: stealing your car. Lee Kinty Sheriff's off his deputy shut
26:05
Speaker 1: up at a circle K and San Carlos Boulevard in
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Speaker 1: reference to a theft. Employee said the demand stole merchandise
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Speaker 1: from the store before taking off in a vehicle. Look
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Speaker 1: security camera video happened around one am. The suspect said,
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Speaker 1: I'm taking all the stuff. I ain't paying for it.
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Speaker 1: Response from the employee, you're joking, right, man replies, Nah,
26:28
Speaker 1: I'm not bro. The suspect, Carlos Javier Santana, who's thirty six,
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Speaker 1: seen wearing a blue and white hoodie and tan pants
26:38
Speaker 1: as he left the store with a can of four
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Speaker 1: Loco Joe. They still make that stuff. Not a health guy,
26:46
Speaker 1: this guy. He not only does he drink four Local,
26:48
Speaker 1: he also walked off with four packs of cigarettes, the
26:53
Speaker 1: total take less than fifty bucks. Employees said, I can't
26:56
Speaker 1: believe you just walked out with them. Clerk said in
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Speaker 1: the body camera footage, she grabs this stuff and then
27:02
Speaker 1: just starts walking out. He's like, I'm not paying for this.
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Speaker 1: Deputy's located the vehicle described by the employee at the
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Speaker 1: Cascades at Clear Lakes Apartments. Further investigation via the vehicle
27:12
Speaker 1: had been stolen after the same or stolen after the
27:15
Speaker 1: same suspect from the gas station had forcibly entered and
27:18
Speaker 1: occupied residence in the apartment complex, breaking in while a
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Speaker 1: mom and her children were sleeping. He stole their keys
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Speaker 1: and drove off in a black Chevy. They located Santana
27:31
Speaker 1: and here's why it's in the Friday Stack, naked in
27:35
Speaker 1: an abandoned home on Church Street. Canine unit moved in,
27:38
Speaker 1: found Santana naked. Stop right there, corn to the police department,
27:41
Speaker 1: don't move. Santanna arrested facing charges of the burglary of
27:44
Speaker 1: a dwelling part, petty theft, grand theft auto and according
27:49
Speaker 1: to the police department, this is his eighteenth arrest. Idiots
27:55
Speaker 1: doing idiot things because they're idiots. There you have it, Joe,
28:03
Speaker 1: We got more of that coming up seven zero eight
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Speaker 1: three the.
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Speaker 5: Talk station do both Democrat.
28:11
Speaker 1: Well, at least we got the message out. Someone sent
28:15
Speaker 1: a search party out for Tom by fifty on a Friday,
28:20
Speaker 1: and a very happy one to you have got some
28:21
Speaker 1: great plans going on this weekend. Lots going on this weekend,
28:24
Speaker 1: I know, including the Parkinson's event we talked about yesterday.
28:27
Speaker 1: Here in the fifty five cars morning show. So you
28:29
Speaker 1: got an education seminar you can go to. Follow by
28:32
Speaker 1: that big concert, the Rock on the James concert and
28:36
Speaker 1: a bunch of different bands at Joe. Did you see
28:41
Speaker 1: the name of the band that's performing at the concert,
28:43
Speaker 1: Rock on the James White Liger remember Napoleon Dynamite. Anyway,
28:53
Speaker 1: worth the troop just to see them? Anyway? That's all there,
28:55
Speaker 1: fifty five KRC dot conference in the events. Back over
28:58
Speaker 1: to the stack of stupid, we'll get a Denton, Texas
29:01
Speaker 1: or police arrested a thirty four year old man for
29:04
Speaker 1: some pretty bizarre conduct nine thirteen, not fourteen or twelve.
29:10
Speaker 1: Nine thirteen pm officers dispatch to Emily Fowler Central Library
29:14
Speaker 1: on Oakland Street. Caller reported a man in outside rather
29:17
Speaker 1: with no shirt, pressing himself against the windows and talking
29:21
Speaker 1: about government agents being after him. It could be Joe,
29:27
Speaker 1: already struggling with massive paranoid schizophreny. When officers got there,
29:30
Speaker 1: they were not initially able to locate the guy, but
29:32
Speaker 1: after that dispatchers received more calls about a man of
29:35
Speaker 1: a similar description over a different street on Locus Street.
29:38
Speaker 1: One call reported seeing the man exposing and grabbing at
29:42
Speaker 1: his genitals outside an occupied restaurant. Why are you doing that?
29:46
Speaker 1: Separate caller said a completely nude guy was pressing his
29:49
Speaker 1: body against cars near the restaurant. Officers went over to
29:55
Speaker 1: the North Locust Street and reported finding the nude guy there,
29:58
Speaker 1: put him under arrest for exposing as genitals and booked
30:00
Speaker 1: him into the city jail without incident. Again, no specific
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Speaker 1: illustra or instances are, no specific reason, Joe, But since
30:09
Speaker 1: he was talking about government meant agents being after him. Maureen,
30:14
Speaker 1: if you're out there is is he observing a pattern?
30:17
Speaker 1: Or has this guy just suffered from some sort of crazy,
30:20
Speaker 1: paranoid schizophrenic I will go with you on that. A
30:25
Speaker 1: Planet Fitness customer was caught taking a video of a
30:30
Speaker 1: partially naked woman in a tanning booth. This happened last December.
30:34
Speaker 1: The Arroyo Grande Police Department released a statement yesterday about
30:37
Speaker 1: this whole incident. The man fled the scene before officers
30:40
Speaker 1: showed up. Police did identify him using witness statements and yes,
30:43
Speaker 1: surveillance footage. Police got a search weren't for his home
30:46
Speaker 1: and electronic devices, where they found more than fifty videos
30:50
Speaker 1: of female gym members in the tanning and red light
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Speaker 1: therapy rooms over the course of the calendar year. Last year,
30:57
Speaker 1: release said the suspect would enter the lock tanning booth
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Speaker 1: room and record females who were in the tanning booth
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Speaker 1: nude or partially nude without their knowledge. Please claim the
31:06
Speaker 1: man took videos of forty seven people, most who have
31:09
Speaker 1: not yet been identified. They're still trying to identify the
31:12
Speaker 1: women who appeared in the videos. Police did not release
31:14
Speaker 1: the name of the suspect because he has not yet
31:16
Speaker 1: been arrested. It's noted here that taking a video of
31:20
Speaker 1: an undressed individual without their consent is a misdemeanor, not
31:22
Speaker 1: a felony, according to Sergeant Jeremy Burns of the Arroyo
31:25
Speaker 1: Police Department. Burnes said officers can only arrest people for
31:29
Speaker 1: misdemeanors if they commit the crime in the presence of
31:31
Speaker 1: law enforcements. Since officers didn't witness the suspect taking the videos,
31:35
Speaker 1: they can't arrest them until the District Attorney's office issues
31:38
Speaker 1: an arrest warrant. Well, I guess you got it through
31:41
Speaker 1: through proper procedure. That doesn't sound like it makes much
31:43
Speaker 1: sense to me. Police are waiting to identify more women
31:47
Speaker 1: before the before filing the case in the DA's office.
31:50
Speaker 1: According to the police, as of yesterday, officers had only
31:54
Speaker 1: actually it's last week, officers had only identified one of
31:57
Speaker 1: the women from the videos, and they say it's best
32:00
Speaker 1: practice to add the other women to the case before
32:03
Speaker 1: the charges are filed. You're not safe anywhere, are you?
32:09
Speaker 1: And not even in an Alabama girls high school where
32:11
Speaker 1: a basketball coach once this once was viewed as a
32:17
Speaker 1: great role model for young people, has now been charged
32:20
Speaker 1: with deviant sexual intercourse with a student. But that kind
32:26
Speaker 1: of makes your mind wander, doesn't it. Joe Paige Adams,
32:30
Speaker 1: who's thirty five, arrested earlier in the week after a
32:32
Speaker 1: grand jury and dieditor on more than thirty alleged sex crimes,
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Speaker 1: less than a month after she resigned from Cold Springs
32:38
Speaker 1: High School. Charges include distributing obscene material to a student,
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Speaker 1: one kind of a school employee, having sexual contact with
32:45
Speaker 1: a student under the age of nineteen, one kind of
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Speaker 1: a student employe, a school employee engaging in a sex
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Speaker 1: attack or deviant sexual intercourse with a student. Accorded to
32:53
Speaker 1: the local news, Colon District attorney in a statement this
32:57
Speaker 1: thirty two count grand jury indictment speaks for itself, I'd
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Speaker 1: say so. Not immediately clear how old the student was
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Speaker 1: at the time of the alleged misconduct. Adams led the
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Speaker 1: school's basketball team one season. Apparently did a pretty good job.
33:10
Speaker 1: Oh and shocking no one, her husband filed for divorce
33:14
Speaker 1: after her resignation. He's the boys team coach there at
33:16
Speaker 1: Coleman High School. That's what he did, Joe Heating. Your advice,
33:21
Speaker 1: sound advice. It is five point fifty six fifty five
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Speaker 1: K see talk station after the news talk station at
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Speaker 1: six oh five, and very happy Friday to you, Brian Thomas.
33:32
Speaker 1: Welcoming back and timing could not be better. And I'm
33:34
Speaker 1: shocked at Ken. Cober FOP president is on the phone
33:37
Speaker 1: right now. No, I'm not shocked. It always just pleases
33:39
Speaker 1: hell to find out that Ken is going to be
33:41
Speaker 1: joining the program. Of course represented since I plice department
33:43
Speaker 1: as the head of the union. Ken, it's good to
33:45
Speaker 1: have you back on the program. I guess you got
33:47
Speaker 1: the word police chief thieves. You got fired yesterday by
33:49
Speaker 1: city manager Cheryl Long. Good to have you back on
33:51
Speaker 1: my friend.
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Speaker 4: Thank good morning, Brian, Thanks for having me.
33:54
Speaker 1: What's your reaction, just general reaction to the letter because
33:57
Speaker 1: it confused me. Let me just ask you at the outside,
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Speaker 1: was there anything new that city Manager Cheryl Long cited
34:05
Speaker 1: as the basis for Digi's termination, Anything new that you
34:09
Speaker 1: needed an outside law firm to go find that they
34:12
Speaker 1: didn't know already before they placed her on administrative leave?
34:15
Speaker 1: Just the initial question.
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Speaker 4: There no, not that I saw.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So do you find it puzzling that maybe some
34:21
Speaker 1: of these specific illustrations were not mentioned previously as an
34:25
Speaker 1: explanation for why they placed her on administrative leave? The
34:27
Speaker 1: silence was deafening, and the retentional law firm I found
34:29
Speaker 1: very puzzling.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.
34:32
Speaker 4: The kind of that was really interesting, especially after seeing
34:35
Speaker 4: the mayor's press conference yesterday, is that he kept on saying, look,
34:38
Speaker 4: I have anything to do this. This is independent, I
34:40
Speaker 4: don't have anything to do this. He knew a whole
34:42
Speaker 4: heck of a lot about what was going on with
34:45
Speaker 4: this for somebody that was pretended like they were in
34:47
Speaker 4: the dark.
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Speaker 1: Well, and isn't it odd knowing full well, everyone expects
34:52
Speaker 1: a lawsuit to be filed, you know, wrongful termination. She's
34:55
Speaker 1: already got a lawyer, she's had once the event's been
34:57
Speaker 1: around for a while, he's already suggested he's going to sue.
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Speaker 1: There was some comment from pervol that she had demanded
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Speaker 1: seven point five million dollars, whether or not that's accurate
35:04
Speaker 1: or not. But his statement yesterday that you refer to,
35:07
Speaker 1: there's going to be discovery, and there's going to be depositions,
35:11
Speaker 1: and there's going to be a document request and interrogatory
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Speaker 1: served during the lawsuit over her termination. So the truth
35:18
Speaker 1: is going to come out. So he had really mind
35:20
Speaker 1: his p's and q's on what he said yesterday, knowing
35:22
Speaker 1: full well that maybe his statements would be put to
35:25
Speaker 1: the test of evidence, all without a doubt.
35:28
Speaker 4: That's that's when this is going to likely get very
35:31
Speaker 4: very interesting. Is when you get sworn under oath and
35:35
Speaker 4: go in front of mister m with these depositions, is
35:40
Speaker 4: when it's really really going to get interesting.
35:43
Speaker 1: It is, without question, all right, as I understand the
35:45
Speaker 1: city charter, she had already served more than six months
35:48
Speaker 1: when they placed on administrative and leave. The only basis
35:51
Speaker 1: she could be removed was for cause after that six
35:54
Speaker 1: month period where she operated as chief at their pleasure,
35:58
Speaker 1: and it requires incompetent see inefficiency, dishonesty, insubordination, unsatisfactory performance,
36:06
Speaker 1: any other failure of good behavior, any other acts of misfeasance,
36:09
Speaker 1: malfeasance or nonfeasance in the office, or conviction of a felony.
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Speaker 1: So we can get rid of a lot of those.
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Speaker 1: But do you have any concept as to which specific
36:16
Speaker 1: reason they hung their hat on in in dismissing her yesterday?
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Speaker 4: Well, and you look at it. I mean, she put
36:24
Speaker 4: in the letter that went to Chief Figi that she
36:28
Speaker 4: was in subordinate, she was told to do things that
36:32
Speaker 4: she didn't do. But it's like a question, why didn't
36:34
Speaker 4: why didn't you address those things while they were happening. Yeah,
36:37
Speaker 4: claiming that you know that she was not allowed that
36:40
Speaker 4: the city manager was not allowed to talk to command staff. Well,
36:44
Speaker 4: you're the city manager, you're you're the chief's boss. If
36:48
Speaker 4: she's doing something that you don't like or that you
36:51
Speaker 4: think so, if, why don't you address it right then call.
36:53
Speaker 1: Her on the carpet, bring her into a meeting, right
36:56
Speaker 1: And that didn't happen.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, absolutely not, of course it didn't happen. Now,
37:01
Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, it's this big problem.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it's odd at the time of
37:05
Speaker 1: you know, the the various you know, outbreaks of crime
37:07
Speaker 1: in downtown, the shootings, the riots, the stabbings and all
37:10
Speaker 1: that Mary have to have. Purwell was expressing confidence in
37:13
Speaker 1: police chief Thiji's a competence on the job. And it
37:16
Speaker 1: was only until recently I suppose that he changed his
37:19
Speaker 1: mind on that. Again, going back to all of these
37:21
Speaker 1: specific illustrations, sided by City Manager Long for what they
37:24
Speaker 1: claim she did poorly, uh, no calling out of the
37:29
Speaker 1: carpet and no criticism from the mayor city manager Long
37:31
Speaker 1: at the time. I just again, it sounds like going
37:34
Speaker 1: back and trying to reinvent circumstances or now create circumstances
37:37
Speaker 1: that they say she was well misfeasance or malfeasance or whatever,
37:42
Speaker 1: just to just to justify the termination. I'll see how
37:45
Speaker 1: this is going to stand the test of a litigation. Ken,
37:48
Speaker 1: I really don't no, no.
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Speaker 3: I don't want you know.
37:51
Speaker 4: And you look at you like what they did to
37:52
Speaker 4: Chief Michael Washington and now they're doing it to her.
37:56
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, this is just just the gatest
38:00
Speaker 4: example of a poor decision made by the city manager
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Speaker 4: that's going to end up cost of these taxpayers millions
38:06
Speaker 4: millions of dollars.
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Speaker 1: Well, and speaking of dollars, one of the complaints that
38:10
Speaker 1: Long had a determination letter is that you had the
38:12
Speaker 1: money you needed for staffing in recruitment, you still didn't act.
38:16
Speaker 1: Referring to the amount of police officers that the city
38:19
Speaker 1: manager apparently had requested a full contingent of officers at
38:22
Speaker 1: Washington Park or whatever, which would have required Fiji to
38:25
Speaker 1: order officers mandate overtime hours. The chief is the one
38:30
Speaker 1: responsible for morale the police department. It probably knows better
38:33
Speaker 1: than the city manager law because she's not there with
38:35
Speaker 1: the police day to day. How bad the morale is?
38:38
Speaker 1: I know, forcing people to work overtime that they don't
38:40
Speaker 1: want to work. It's already a problem. I've heard from you,
38:43
Speaker 1: Ken and correct me if I'm wrong. We don't have
38:45
Speaker 1: enough police officers anyway. We're low on numbers. Thank you
38:48
Speaker 1: defund police folks. But how do you force officers to
38:51
Speaker 1: work just constantly seven days a week, maybe without pissing
38:54
Speaker 1: them off or otherwise reducing morale? That is a that's
38:57
Speaker 1: a chief function to decide. Hmmm, I'm looking at crime statistics.
39:02
Speaker 1: Does it really require mandating overtime I, as chief make
39:07
Speaker 1: these determinations. As as the head of the department, I
39:10
Speaker 1: don't think it does well. Apparently, with hindsight, Long says
39:13
Speaker 1: that was wrong. She specifically disregarded her directives. But that's
39:19
Speaker 1: a management function, that's a management decision. Do you find
39:21
Speaker 1: a problem with that back and forth that she cited.
39:25
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the deal with the mandated overtime?
39:27
Speaker 4: Ken No, without a doubta. And it's funny because the
39:30
Speaker 4: chief I talked about this last summer when they were
39:32
Speaker 4: trying to do this, they wanted to make it mandatory
39:36
Speaker 4: for officers to come in on their off time and
39:38
Speaker 4: work and walk a beat between on Vine and Maine,
39:44
Speaker 4: between Central Parklay and Liberty. Well, there was no data
39:48
Speaker 4: to suggest that this was such a crime britten area,
39:52
Speaker 4: and it was like from four to midnight, seven days
39:55
Speaker 4: a week. There was nothing to suggest in the data
39:59
Speaker 4: that this is where they should have this increased patrols.
40:03
Speaker 4: In fact, you look at all the crime that was
40:04
Speaker 4: going on and over the Rhine, it was north over
40:06
Speaker 4: the Rhine, it was everything north of Liberty. But ironically
40:09
Speaker 4: they only wanted them in this specific area, and it's
40:13
Speaker 4: because that's where a lot of the revitalization was or
40:18
Speaker 4: is currently a lot of three CEC owned properties. Of
40:21
Speaker 4: course you're in those areas, and I've flight out told
40:24
Speaker 4: the chief, I go, listen, you can't do this. These
40:26
Speaker 4: cops are over work to begin with, and now to
40:29
Speaker 4: tell them that they're going to come and do this
40:30
Speaker 4: on our off days, they go, you do realize that
40:33
Speaker 4: we're in a staffing shortage like everybody else's. If you
40:37
Speaker 4: want to make these cops mad, especially younger cops, and
40:40
Speaker 4: get them to leave and go to other departments and
40:43
Speaker 4: go ahead and force this overtime on them. And that's
40:45
Speaker 4: when she brought up the factor listen, data doesn't even
40:48
Speaker 4: suggest we should be Here's like, I'm not doing it.
40:50
Speaker 4: These cops are over work to begin with, right, you know,
40:53
Speaker 4: it is what it is, and you know that's the
40:55
Speaker 4: neat part is she's going to be able to stand
40:56
Speaker 4: behind what this data says because.
40:59
Speaker 3: They have it.
41:00
Speaker 4: So the question is going to become is why were
41:02
Speaker 4: you Why did you want cops to work in an
41:04
Speaker 4: area that wasn't experiencing a spike and crime. That's the
41:08
Speaker 4: question that they're going to have to answer.
41:09
Speaker 1: That is and they will have to answer it is it.
41:12
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been around police starman a long time
41:15
Speaker 1: ahead of the FOP, of course. Can does the city
41:19
Speaker 1: manager regularly tell the police chief, any police chief, how
41:23
Speaker 1: many people need to be staffed at any given time?
41:28
Speaker 3: Yeah?
41:28
Speaker 4: Not not to my knowledge, they don't.
41:30
Speaker 1: I mean it's that's the day to day operational yea.
41:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. I mean I sit in staff meetings, you know,
41:36
Speaker 4: where assistant chiefs the chief captains will talk about, Hey,
41:40
Speaker 4: I've got this event coming up. Okay, is it adequately staffed?
41:43
Speaker 4: Do you need more resources? The city Manager's not in there,
41:45
Speaker 4: the Mayor's not in there telling them these things. This
41:48
Speaker 4: is something that's done internally because well, they're the chief
41:51
Speaker 4: of police, are an assistant chief, they're commanders. Those are
41:54
Speaker 4: decisions they should be making. I don't know somebody that's
41:56
Speaker 4: never worn a uniform, you know, that would potentially be
42:00
Speaker 4: making these decisions. It doesn't make any sense me going
42:02
Speaker 4: into a doctor's office and going, hey, doc, let me
42:05
Speaker 4: need you to operate on this person and do it here?
42:08
Speaker 4: Because of this what do I know about you know, surgery?
42:11
Speaker 5: Right?
42:11
Speaker 4: Things? Right?
42:13
Speaker 1: That's how I was viewing. That's why I asked this
42:14
Speaker 1: specific question. How often does a city manager make specific
42:18
Speaker 1: and day to day employment decisions and overtime decisions. They don't,
42:22
Speaker 1: all right? They also a city manager also was referring
42:25
Speaker 1: to police chief DJs skipping in October fourteenth public safety
42:28
Speaker 1: town hall meetings. She said an assistant chief over, oh
42:32
Speaker 1: she went to a play again. Isn't this a police
42:36
Speaker 1: chief decision? Did she get called out into the carpet
42:38
Speaker 1: for not showing up on October I mean the next day,
42:41
Speaker 1: October fifteenth. I mean, I'm not sure why this is
42:44
Speaker 1: a bone of contention. Ken, do you understand?
42:47
Speaker 6: No?
42:48
Speaker 4: And this is just it's this is just a failed
42:51
Speaker 4: attempt at trying to say that she was not doing
42:54
Speaker 4: anything she should have been. But if the city manager
42:56
Speaker 4: thought it was so incredibly important that she was there,
43:00
Speaker 4: once again, she is her boss, why didn't she say, Hey, Keith.
43:04
Speaker 1: You're going to be at this legitimate question more with
43:06
Speaker 1: Ken Cober. Ken, don't go away, because there's more to
43:08
Speaker 1: breakdown this letter. So let's talk about that and when
43:11
Speaker 1: we get back, and you know, you had your roof
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43:25
Speaker 1: Ken Kober going over Cheryl Long's termination letter to Police
43:29
Speaker 1: Chief Dji came out yesterday and we talked about the overtime,
43:33
Speaker 1: and I'm with you all day long. That seems to
43:35
Speaker 1: me a day to day determination of the chief. You know,
43:36
Speaker 1: the city manager shouldn't be making decisions regarding how many
43:39
Speaker 1: officers at any given place at any given time. So
43:41
Speaker 1: moving forward, Cheryl Long said, Thiji damage relationships with important
43:47
Speaker 1: city partners. You showed an inability bill bridges or and
43:50
Speaker 1: work with important city partners with whom you disagreed. Now,
43:53
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but specifically, she referenced this
43:56
Speaker 1: the Cincinnai Public School Board, which, according to the reporting,
44:02
Speaker 1: told police Chief Diji to not attend school board meetings
44:07
Speaker 1: and also complained to mayor have to have provol when
44:09
Speaker 1: she showed up unannounced to a board meeting and showed
44:12
Speaker 1: up with the costs of dealing with disorderly students. What
44:16
Speaker 1: does the sense a public school board have to do
44:18
Speaker 1: with police chief but the police chief, Ken, do you
44:20
Speaker 1: understand this particular allegation.
44:23
Speaker 5: No.
44:23
Speaker 4: The ironic part about this is and I sat in
44:26
Speaker 4: these meetings with when juveniles were abstually out of control.
44:30
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty four, I sent any chief put together
44:33
Speaker 4: a meeting with Metro since a public schools, juvenile court,
44:38
Speaker 4: the Prosecutor's office. I mean, there were was a whole
44:42
Speaker 4: room full of people that sat down, and we're trying
44:44
Speaker 4: to figure out how to address this. So I'm at
44:48
Speaker 4: a loss. I mean, but you know, ironically enough, I'm like,
44:52
Speaker 4: these school board meetings are up to the public. If
44:54
Speaker 4: the chief wants to go there because there's something she
44:57
Speaker 4: thinks should be addressed. You're mad at her because she
44:59
Speaker 4: didn't go to a public safety meeting, But now you're
45:01
Speaker 4: mad at her because she went to a school board meeting.
45:04
Speaker 4: Which one is it?
45:05
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said it that way, because that's the
45:07
Speaker 1: first thing I went in my mind. She's a city resident,
45:10
Speaker 1: she has control over she has to deal with all
45:11
Speaker 1: these youths that are in the since public schools. Why
45:13
Speaker 1: wouldn't she be there and what's wrong with her being there?
45:16
Speaker 1: Do you think the school board just didn't want to
45:18
Speaker 1: talk about the problems we had with youth in the
45:20
Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati. Perhaps, Ken, without a.
45:23
Speaker 4: Doubt, without a doubt, That's exactly what this came down to.
45:27
Speaker 4: They did not like the fact that she wanted to
45:31
Speaker 4: hold these leaders accountable for their inaction, and somehow that's
45:35
Speaker 4: her fault.
45:36
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I suppose now that this public opinion
45:43
Speaker 1: comment to Coordne to Cheryl Long, CGI had previously stated
45:47
Speaker 1: that she would set down if public opinion shifted or
45:50
Speaker 1: things weren't going right or properly. I don't know how
45:53
Speaker 1: do you gauge public opinion and who's the determination as
45:56
Speaker 1: to whether the majority of the public has lost faith
45:59
Speaker 1: or confidence and play Chief the G. This is a
46:01
Speaker 1: This is a rather disturbing and subjective metric, isn't it.
46:05
Speaker 4: Oh without a doubt, And it's of course they do
46:08
Speaker 4: it design that way that way, you know, they can
46:10
Speaker 4: try to find a scapegoat, especially a couple of weeks
46:12
Speaker 4: before an election.
46:14
Speaker 1: All right, And as to the April tenth plead, just
46:16
Speaker 1: predisciplinary hearing City manager say Long accused thiji uh. I
46:21
Speaker 1: guess this is a fault from Police Chief the G
46:23
Speaker 1: because she did not present any witnesses or bring any
46:25
Speaker 1: documents or records. I guess I'm kind of wondering what
46:28
Speaker 1: police Chief the G should have done. And did did
46:30
Speaker 1: Fiji know specifically what allegations or uh concerns will be
46:35
Speaker 1: addressed to Thigis, so she would know in advance who
46:37
Speaker 1: to bring or what documents to show up with.
46:40
Speaker 4: Now, and you know these predisciplinary hearings, it's it's almost
46:45
Speaker 4: always predetermined as to what the outcome is going to be. So,
46:49
Speaker 4: you know, me having participated in dozens of these over
46:53
Speaker 4: my career, that's just it's you're you're not gonna You're
46:58
Speaker 4: not going to change somebody's opinion this, especially in this situation,
47:02
Speaker 4: it wouldn't matter what she said when she went in there,
47:04
Speaker 4: we knew that the fate. Her fate was sealed in October.
47:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, that seemed pretty obvious. Now, in so far as
47:11
Speaker 1: Christopher Smitheman's motion to change the chart of the city
47:14
Speaker 1: since to require council members to be involved in this,
47:17
Speaker 1: what is your reaction to the concept and the petitions
47:20
Speaker 1: being circulated. Are you in favor of it or against it?
47:23
Speaker 3: Now?
47:24
Speaker 4: I think it's fantastic an anytime doing you can allow council,
47:30
Speaker 4: which of course is elected by the citizens of the city,
47:35
Speaker 4: to be able to make these decisions. And you're talking
47:36
Speaker 4: about it would take seven out of the nine council
47:39
Speaker 4: members to do this, and look at the council members
47:42
Speaker 4: that they interviewed yesterday and the things that they were saying, basically, listen,
47:45
Speaker 4: we hope that this gets settled out of court. We
47:48
Speaker 4: don't want to have to go through this. We don't
47:49
Speaker 4: want to go through this. They know it's wrong. You know,
47:52
Speaker 4: they're in a tough position because what are they going
47:54
Speaker 4: to do. They're going to go speak out against the
47:56
Speaker 4: city manager. They should, they should, They could, yeah, and
48:01
Speaker 4: they could, but they're not. So they they're roundabout way
48:04
Speaker 4: as you know, shoes there for thirty five years. We
48:07
Speaker 4: hope this just gets resolved. Of course they do, because
48:09
Speaker 4: it's going to be worse if it's not.
48:12
Speaker 1: Ken Scott Warman over the Quirre has Count Jeff Kramatin ancouncement.
48:16
Speaker 1: Kramating said he supports long decision and here you go,
48:19
Speaker 1: and that it's not counsel's role to get involved in
48:22
Speaker 1: personnel decisions. And I'm sure he's like, you know, he's
48:25
Speaker 1: taking cover behind it. We don't have to do that.
48:26
Speaker 1: That's not our role. Don't ask me about this. We
48:28
Speaker 1: weren't consulted. Well, it's about time that you got consulted
48:31
Speaker 1: in advance of the hiring and firing elected official accountability.
48:35
Speaker 1: That's what Smithlman's motion will bring about. Let's change the
48:38
Speaker 1: charter and make that happen. Sign the circulating petition. Han Kober,
48:42
Speaker 1: thank you so much for what you do each and
48:43
Speaker 1: every day. We support this insan police department as you
48:46
Speaker 1: know here at fifty five KRC, and my listeners do
48:48
Speaker 1: as well. And I wish you all the best well
48:51
Speaker 1: navigating the challenges presented and hopefully you end up with
48:53
Speaker 1: a great police chief. God have a good one.
48:59
Speaker 5: Ken.
48:59
Speaker 4: All right, all right, thanks Brian, thanks for having well.
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49:28
Speaker 1: Welcome back, my friend. Always good to be here, Brian.
49:32
Speaker 7: And uh, yeah, as you know, I have been concerned
49:36
Speaker 7: about this critical infrastructure thing for a long time. You
49:38
Speaker 7: and I have talked about it many times in many
49:40
Speaker 7: different contexts. The FBI keeps warning about this DHS Cybersecurity
49:46
Speaker 7: Infrastructure Security Agency, and recently now we've seen another attack.
49:51
Speaker 7: And you know, the point I'm always trying to make
49:53
Speaker 7: Brian about all of these things is there was a
49:56
Speaker 7: time in the not too distant past where things are
49:58
Speaker 7: mechanical and you didn't have to worry about it foreign
50:00
Speaker 7: hackers attacking them, shutting them down, causing chaos, death, et
50:05
Speaker 7: cetera in the streets of the United States because they
50:07
Speaker 7: were mechanical. Now again, I feel somewhat complicit in this
50:11
Speaker 7: because I spent twenty five years as a software engineer
50:14
Speaker 7: writing software to automate things.
50:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I did, you know.
50:18
Speaker 7: And I also under yeah, well you know, I understand
50:22
Speaker 7: all the flaws and software that human beings create that
50:25
Speaker 7: this has come up the news lately with AI and
50:26
Speaker 7: so far. But my point is is we make things smart.
50:30
Speaker 7: Quote unquote digital interconnected, relying on embedded software that creates
50:36
Speaker 7: opportunities for the bad guys to attack these same devices
50:40
Speaker 7: in the same way they would any other device.
50:42
Speaker 5: Right.
50:42
Speaker 7: You know, we've talked about computers and servers and networks
50:44
Speaker 7: for a long time. Well, now you know the sensors
50:48
Speaker 7: and plants are electronic, the switches that control things are electronic,
50:54
Speaker 7: the valves, everything is digital. And the bad guys know this.
50:57
Speaker 7: You know, i'd remind your listeners to go back and
50:59
Speaker 7: check out stucks in it and what happened to the
51:01
Speaker 7: Iranians back in twenty ten with the uranium Richmond devices
51:05
Speaker 7: that were torn up. Now we see an attack on
51:08
Speaker 7: a water plant again where you know, if we don't
51:10
Speaker 7: get serious about protecting the stuff, Brian, we're going to
51:13
Speaker 7: have a catastrophe.
51:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. And I read an article
51:15
Speaker 1: the other day. It was just a released a report
51:18
Speaker 1: that came out and an also came out confidential. It
51:21
Speaker 1: was from the federal government about the election system. It
51:24
Speaker 1: was a twenty twenty memoranium just released. I guess it
51:27
Speaker 1: was by the Justice Department. So we had an idea
51:29
Speaker 1: of what was going on, and they determined that there
51:31
Speaker 1: are all kinds of ways for the Chinese Communist Party,
51:34
Speaker 1: of the North Koreans, the Russians, I guess any other
51:36
Speaker 1: the faries state actor out there to hack into or
51:39
Speaker 1: otherwise impact our election systems. Same kind of thing.
51:43
Speaker 7: Yes, So anything Brian that's smart quote unquote. And this
51:48
Speaker 7: is a great quote from a guy named Miko Opponent.
51:50
Speaker 7: I'm a huge fan and if you're a nerd like me,
51:54
Speaker 7: he's big in this space.
51:55
Speaker 1: He's well known.
51:56
Speaker 7: He's great for coming up with useful ways to describe
51:59
Speaker 7: this stuff. Like one quote he gave it a Ted talk,
52:01
Speaker 7: which I love. We're no longer securing computers with securing society.
52:05
Speaker 7: We're getting back to your vote machine idea, or these
52:09
Speaker 7: water plants or any kind of critical infrastructure. He's famous,
52:12
Speaker 7: and he wrote a book called if it's Smart, It's
52:13
Speaker 7: Vulnerable And as we make things quote smarter more software,
52:18
Speaker 7: this is connected to that. This relies on that you're
52:23
Speaker 7: just making it unless you start out with the principle
52:26
Speaker 7: of secure by design. This is something also from the
52:29
Speaker 7: Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. What's I'm a big fan
52:32
Speaker 7: of the idea that you're going to build the software
52:35
Speaker 7: for security and robustness and resilience first, that's its primary
52:39
Speaker 7: goal unless you start with that, and that's not the
52:41
Speaker 7: case for most of this stuff. You're building things that
52:45
Speaker 7: are going to be vulnerable, and if you don't patch
52:47
Speaker 7: the software, don't test it, you're setting yourself up for
52:50
Speaker 7: the kind of things we're seeing here, like this water
52:52
Speaker 7: plant in Mino, South Dakota.
52:54
Speaker 3: So this is a.
52:55
Speaker 1: Parallel problem we had with most every single government program.
52:58
Speaker 1: If they're designed to get money out into the world,
53:00
Speaker 1: but they don't do anything to protect us from getting
53:02
Speaker 1: ripped off.
53:04
Speaker 7: It's it's frustrating for me because again, I have personally
53:08
Speaker 7: been warning about this critical infrastructure stuff for a long time,
53:11
Speaker 7: and there are Brian, there are people a lot smarter
53:14
Speaker 7: than me, a lot more well connected in the site,
53:17
Speaker 7: in the critical infrastructure space than me, who have been saying, look, folks,
53:21
Speaker 7: we have got to get serious. The FBI defines sixteen
53:23
Speaker 7: critical infrastructure sectors. We have got to focus on hardening
53:27
Speaker 7: these things, improving the security before catastrophe happens. And it
53:31
Speaker 7: doesn't even have to be a foreign adversary. It could
53:33
Speaker 7: just be bad software causes an outage. Think of the
53:36
Speaker 7: crowd strike thing, A few years ago that shut down
53:39
Speaker 7: tens of millions of Windows computers. We've got to get
53:42
Speaker 7: serious about protecting these things, especially things.
53:45
Speaker 1: Like water and the electric creat and the telecompasis and
53:48
Speaker 1: the iHeart media streaming app. Yes, I heard you know
53:53
Speaker 1: why that went down. I'm gonna let somebody tell me
53:55
Speaker 1: about that. Don't so, don't draw any conclusions and don't
53:57
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Speaker 1: underestimate the stupidity of people at large, generally speaking. And
54:14
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54:21
Speaker 1: in the world day. This is pretty amazing.
54:24
Speaker 7: It is amazing, and it's it's a little scary, Brian,
54:28
Speaker 7: less so because of the initial focus story, but more
54:32
Speaker 7: so around the idea that AI is at a point
54:34
Speaker 7: now where you can generate incredibly realistic, deep fake content
54:39
Speaker 7: and whether it's used and you could argue whether this
54:42
Speaker 7: is legitimate or not. I mean, if someone wants to
54:44
Speaker 7: follow a right AI generated person online and wants to
54:48
Speaker 7: send them money and buy pictures of a person that
54:50
Speaker 7: doesn't exist, well, okay, that's on them.
54:54
Speaker 1: He a sucker board every minute. There's a sucker board
54:56
Speaker 1: every minute, Yes, yes there is.
54:59
Speaker 7: And this is a basically some medical student trying to
55:02
Speaker 7: figure out ways to make money. He asked AI. AI
55:07
Speaker 7: suggested make some influencer type things. He eventually, according to him,
55:14
Speaker 7: and per the reporting on it. According to him, it
55:19
Speaker 7: was suggested that he make a quote I'm quoting from
55:23
Speaker 7: the article here Brian hot girl and Maga conservative niche
55:28
Speaker 7: and he said once he started doing this, so this
55:30
Speaker 7: is a twenty two year old man using AI to
55:33
Speaker 7: generate realistic photos, videos, et cetera of a woman that
55:38
Speaker 7: does not exist. And I'm going to just read from
55:40
Speaker 7: the articles. So January, Sam created Emily Hart, a registered
55:44
Speaker 7: nurse and Jennifer Lawrence look alike. On an Instagram account
55:46
Speaker 7: for Emily, Sam posted photos of ice fishing, drinking Coors Light,
55:50
Speaker 7: and shooting off a few rounds at the rifle range
55:52
Speaker 7: with the emotivating captains like if you want a reason
55:54
Speaker 7: to unfollow Christ is King, so on and so forth.
55:58
Speaker 1: So a bunch of a conservative statement. Christ's King, abortion
56:03
Speaker 1: is murdered, all legles illegals must be deported, hitting the
56:06
Speaker 1: nerve of the hardcore maga conservative niche that Ai told
56:10
Speaker 1: him to create, which is weird. He was unsuccessful when
56:13
Speaker 1: he first started this. He created a hot AI generated
56:16
Speaker 1: chick that no one clicked on because it didn't have
56:18
Speaker 1: any political affiliation or anything. This solidified who she was.
56:22
Speaker 1: Enter this Emily Hart character that is a hardcore maga conservative.
56:26
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, he's getting three million to five
56:27
Speaker 1: million to ten million views.
56:29
Speaker 7: He said, huh yeah, he since I was spending maybe
56:32
Speaker 7: thirty to fifty minutes a day making good money for
56:35
Speaker 7: a medical school student. And then the article goes on
56:39
Speaker 7: to point out that he's not the only person doing this.
56:43
Speaker 7: And the bigger issue again, I myself, personally, I don't
56:47
Speaker 7: care that much about this story. Again, if you can't
56:50
Speaker 7: figure out that this stuff is fake and you want
56:52
Speaker 7: to follow it and send the money or whatever, you're
56:53
Speaker 7: an adult, that's on you. My bigger concern is, again,
56:58
Speaker 7: this stuff is at such a quality now where folks
57:01
Speaker 7: believe these people are real, that this stuff is real,
57:04
Speaker 7: and whether you want to look at it from the
57:05
Speaker 7: perspective again of just AI slop that is now taking
57:08
Speaker 7: over the Internet with all this focus AI stuff, or again,
57:12
Speaker 7: I just want to reiterate, folks, if you don't believe
57:15
Speaker 7: this stuff is good enough to fool you your loved ones.
57:18
Speaker 7: The FBI has reported on this extensively. They said over
57:22
Speaker 7: a million complaints came into the Crime Complaints Center last year,
57:25
Speaker 7: many of them were fueled by AI twenty one billion
57:28
Speaker 7: almost in loss last year. This stuff is going to
57:31
Speaker 7: be used, is being used, and is going to be
57:33
Speaker 7: used to create very realistic content to scam people. And
57:38
Speaker 7: you've got to understand, folks, we're at a place now
57:40
Speaker 7: where you simply cannot believe anything that you see online
57:43
Speaker 7: anymore if you've got to vetit or you're eventually going
57:47
Speaker 7: to get scammed.
57:48
Speaker 1: Well, this guy even said, and I'm looking at the article,
57:52
Speaker 1: few of the fans cared whether this AI generated Emily
57:56
Speaker 1: was real or not. And that speaks to maybe the
57:59
Speaker 1: reality of AI. Listen, if you know it's AI, but
58:03
Speaker 1: you like looking at that content that was generated and
58:06
Speaker 1: you appreciate maybe some of the conservative banter comments that
58:09
Speaker 1: also probably are artificially created. Maybe you're getting some value
58:12
Speaker 1: for the money you choose to send over it. I
58:14
Speaker 1: like this even though it's AI. I'd like to pay
58:16
Speaker 1: for it because I want to keep seeing it and
58:17
Speaker 1: getting it. It appeals to me. I mean, dumb as
58:20
Speaker 1: that may be. I listen. I maybe I buy things
58:24
Speaker 1: that people think is a dumb idea too. It's subjective.
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Speaker 7: I'm with you there again, Brian. My issue with this
58:31
Speaker 7: story is, I get it. We are at a place
58:34
Speaker 7: now where this technology can be used to create content
58:36
Speaker 7: that is so realistic it's easy to fool people, and
58:40
Speaker 7: it is and will continue to be used for scams.
58:44
Speaker 7: We got to wise up, folks and realize that again,
58:47
Speaker 7: you can't really trust anything that comes in a digital
58:50
Speaker 7: form in less and until you have vetted it somehow
58:54
Speaker 7: or in the case like this, I mean, if you
58:57
Speaker 7: think it's cool to be following, liking, spending money on
59:00
Speaker 7: sentire's totally fake, well.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I just don't get that, Dave. I don't need it, right,
59:05
Speaker 1: I don't need it anyway. World's filled idiots. Fine, knock
59:09
Speaker 1: yourself out. It's a free world, free country. You do
59:12
Speaker 1: what you want and then Dave and I can comment
59:13
Speaker 1: on how stupid what you're doing is six forty five
59:16
Speaker 1: don't go away. Here's a quick sound piece of advice.
59:19
Speaker 1: Dave's going to be bringing it back and putting some
59:20
Speaker 1: flesh on the bones of don't use Chinese made products.
59:25
Speaker 1: Sounds like tom in the morning, don't vote Democrat, don't
59:27
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59:35
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59:38
Speaker 1: dot com. To search for Dave Hatter, you'll find and
59:40
Speaker 1: you can get all the articles we talked about, including
59:42
Speaker 1: this risk of Chinese produced cellular models. This goes back
59:45
Speaker 1: to your stay the hell away of Internet things, internet
59:47
Speaker 1: of things devices. We got our genuine security problem on
59:49
Speaker 1: our hand. This is scary, Dave.
59:52
Speaker 7: It really is scary, Brian. And again it goes back
59:55
Speaker 7: to that critical infrastructure thing I keep bringing up. And
59:59
Speaker 7: before we dive into this, I just want to give
1:00:01
Speaker 7: you one one other recent thing. So from the FBI,
1:00:07
Speaker 7: it's a joint advisory with many other agencies. Scissa an
1:00:11
Speaker 7: essay someone out of the UK. Here's the headline defending
1:00:16
Speaker 7: against China and excess Cobert networks of compromised devices. Okay,
1:00:20
Speaker 7: this just came out. And part of the way these
1:00:24
Speaker 7: devices might be compromised is what we're going to talk
1:00:27
Speaker 7: about here, which was a recent report from the Foundation
1:00:30
Speaker 7: for the Defensive Democracies and the two people to put
1:00:34
Speaker 7: it together, one of them is a rear admiral guy
1:00:36
Speaker 7: named Mark Montgomery. So I mean this is someone that
1:00:38
Speaker 7: actually has some insight into this, and they basically explain
1:00:43
Speaker 7: that somewhere around half of all so called smart devices, right,
1:00:50
Speaker 7: you're refrigerator, your doorbell, the crawling down at the port,
1:00:54
Speaker 7: your coffee maker, the switches in your factory.
1:00:57
Speaker 1: The bird the camera in the bird feeder, yes.
1:01:01
Speaker 7: The security system in your business. I guess the bigger
1:01:04
Speaker 7: point I'm trying to make here, Briand is this is
1:01:06
Speaker 7: not just consumer stuff. This is stuff in businesses that
1:01:09
Speaker 7: are part of the critical infrastructure we keep talking about.
1:01:12
Speaker 7: And they say here, not just American homes, but also
1:01:15
Speaker 7: it's power grid, sports, hospitals, transportation networks and ship to
1:01:18
Speaker 7: short cranes increasingly rely on cellular modules. Think a cellultar chip,
1:01:23
Speaker 7: that allows these things to connect over the cellular network
1:01:27
Speaker 7: through the Internet right right, that makes them smart and
1:01:30
Speaker 7: capable of remote control, et cetera. Again, the idea behind
1:01:34
Speaker 7: this is good right automation, data collection, et cetera. Then
1:01:38
Speaker 7: they go on to say, in theory, these modules can
1:01:40
Speaker 7: shut down their host devices in addition to collecting massive
1:01:42
Speaker 7: amounts of data. This is possible because the manufacturers of
1:01:45
Speaker 7: cellular modules maintain remote access to the devices to provide
1:01:49
Speaker 7: software and firmware updates.
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Speaker 1: Over the air. Quote unquote Bejing.
1:01:53
Speaker 7: Yes, if Beijing coordinated control of US based module consolidated
1:01:58
Speaker 7: control rather of US based modules, it could disrupt an
1:02:01
Speaker 7: American military mobilization in response to a Chinese effort to
1:02:04
Speaker 7: cores Taiwan or amid a crisis, Beijing would could hold
1:02:07
Speaker 7: Washington hostage by threatening to cause massive economic disruption. So
1:02:12
Speaker 7: you know, Brian, you and I have talked about this before.
1:02:14
Speaker 7: So called smart cars and the ability to hack the
1:02:18
Speaker 7: cars and potentially either disable them or turn them into
1:02:21
Speaker 7: weapons because they just go out of control.
1:02:24
Speaker 1: This is the heart of it.
1:02:25
Speaker 7: It's Chinese made chips, it's Chinese software or any adversary.
1:02:30
Speaker 7: Now again, I'm not focusing exclusively on China. That just
1:02:33
Speaker 7: happens to be where most of this comes from. If
1:02:35
Speaker 7: we're buying things from Russia, if we're buying things from
1:02:37
Speaker 7: Iran or any other adversarial nation where they have chips
1:02:40
Speaker 7: and or software that control these devices, the risk is
1:02:43
Speaker 7: the same. This goes on to say, with an estimated
1:02:46
Speaker 7: thirty point nine billion with a b thirty point nine
1:02:49
Speaker 7: billion devices currently deployed worldwide, sullular modules are in effect
1:02:53
Speaker 7: the backbone of the Internet of Things akas or devices yep.
1:02:58
Speaker 7: And then they go on to list more of this
1:03:00
Speaker 7: stuff and they get deeper and deeper into it. They
1:03:03
Speaker 7: say secular modules are positioned to deliver malware across the
1:03:07
Speaker 7: American economy. Along with importing the physical modules, American firms
1:03:11
Speaker 7: are also importing the proprietary software the device is run,
1:03:13
Speaker 7: creating the potential for them to deliver unauditible code or
1:03:17
Speaker 7: malware deep into sensitive systems backdoors.
1:03:21
Speaker 1: That's scary stuff Friday and Happy Friday. Yes, it is
1:03:24
Speaker 1: all of that, And then you point to the nefarious
1:03:26
Speaker 1: flip the switch, reality of what could happen or the
1:03:29
Speaker 1: installation of malware. But if you want a reason for
1:03:31
Speaker 1: why AI is like all the rage these days, most
1:03:34
Speaker 1: notably among the Chinese Communists, part of they are racing
1:03:36
Speaker 1: to be the best AI. How do you crunch data
1:03:40
Speaker 1: which is being stolen from thirty point nine billion of
1:03:43
Speaker 1: these Internet of Things devices and do something with that data?
1:03:46
Speaker 1: The power of artificial intelligence is probably capable of aggregating
1:03:49
Speaker 1: and crunching those numbered ninety jillion ways from now till Sunday.
1:03:54
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's uh. I mean, even if you just look
1:03:57
Speaker 7: at this from the standpoint of espionagealing trade secrets, dealing
1:04:01
Speaker 7: military secrets, listening in on sensitive conversations that could help
1:04:05
Speaker 7: with trade deals or whatever.
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Speaker 5: That alone.
1:04:07
Speaker 7: I mean, imagine during the Cold War, Brian, would we
1:04:09
Speaker 7: have allowed American citizens to build, to put devices in
1:04:13
Speaker 7: their homes and in their businesses that were made in
1:04:16
Speaker 7: Russia and could be Russian listening devices. Yet here we are,
1:04:20
Speaker 7: you know, less than fifty years later, thirty point nine
1:04:23
Speaker 7: billion devices, roughly half of them maybe more. No one
1:04:26
Speaker 7: knows the exact number of these things have chips and
1:04:30
Speaker 7: software coming from the Chinese Communist Party.
1:04:33
Speaker 5: You know.
1:04:33
Speaker 7: It goes on to say Chinese firms of purchase international
1:04:36
Speaker 7: competitor competitors to boaster their hold on the market. In
1:04:39
Speaker 7: twenty twenty three, for example, Fibocom acquired Rolling Rolling Wireless,
1:04:42
Speaker 7: a European firm that developed IoT products. I mean, this
1:04:46
Speaker 7: article is very insightful. I'll post it on my substack.
1:04:49
Speaker 7: I'll link it from LinkedIn. You know, I'm easy to
1:04:51
Speaker 7: find on social media. I post about this stuff every
1:04:54
Speaker 7: single day, Brian, because I'm increasingly concerned when you see
1:04:57
Speaker 7: these kind of girls. I'm sharing this with, you know,
1:05:00
Speaker 7: our legislators in Kentucky, with the legislators in Ohio. I'm
1:05:04
Speaker 7: talking about this. I appreciate you guys, you know, giving
1:05:06
Speaker 7: me the opportunity to talk about it because we I
1:05:08
Speaker 7: don't want to be the doomsday guy, but I understand
1:05:11
Speaker 7: if you flip the switch, if an adversary flips the
1:05:14
Speaker 7: switch on this, or if there's just some sort of
1:05:15
Speaker 7: catastrophic outage for some reason. Let's say all the ports
1:05:18
Speaker 7: on the East coast go down. What do you think
1:05:20
Speaker 7: that's going to do to the supply chain?
1:05:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, make the straight to horror moves closure look like
1:05:24
Speaker 1: a walk in the park.
1:05:25
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:05:26
Speaker 7: Imagine if you could shut down all the train traffic
1:05:28
Speaker 7: in the US or all the barge traffic in the US,
1:05:31
Speaker 7: or all the truck and or at the same time,
1:05:33
Speaker 7: all the truck traffic in the US. Not to mention,
1:05:35
Speaker 7: as you've talked about with me many times, the grid,
1:05:38
Speaker 7: the water system, it's all full of these chips in
1:05:41
Speaker 7: this software. Man, it's it's uh. We've got to focus
1:05:47
Speaker 7: on security in this country, critical infrastructure, reassuring, manufacturing this
1:05:52
Speaker 7: stuff here with American companies that can be trusted. And
1:05:56
Speaker 7: you know, some of this equipment has been banned in
1:05:59
Speaker 7: the US. But again, the scope of it is so huge,
1:06:02
Speaker 7: and we've fallen into this trap of well, we just
1:06:06
Speaker 7: want the cheapest stuff, and we don't want to make
1:06:07
Speaker 7: this anymore because they can make it cheaper somewhere else
1:06:10
Speaker 7: without thinking about the security implications of it.
1:06:13
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, simply be sure, putting one head in the sand,
1:06:16
Speaker 1: or just being naive generally speaking about or just plain
1:06:18
Speaker 1: a little flat out ignorant. That's how this stuff seeps in.
1:06:21
Speaker 1: And you cannot I just let your mind wander as
1:06:24
Speaker 1: far as you wanted to wander. If you think about
1:06:26
Speaker 1: just the electric grid getting shut down, I mean you
1:06:29
Speaker 1: have you're being deprived of money, water, every electricity's not
1:06:33
Speaker 1: coming on, your cell phone's not going to work. Nothing
1:06:35
Speaker 1: will work that, jeez weak, Dave Hatter.
1:06:38
Speaker 7: If you think about it, Brian, the electrical grid in
1:06:40
Speaker 7: a telecom system, the internet. Everything you just mentioned relies
1:06:44
Speaker 7: on those two things. If you give me one of
1:06:45
Speaker 7: them suffer a significant outage, huge problems. We got to
1:06:49
Speaker 7: get serious about this. We've got to get manufacturing back
1:06:52
Speaker 7: in this country. We've got to focus on making things
1:06:54
Speaker 7: here in this country, especially this stuff.
1:06:57
Speaker 1: Dave Hatter, thank you so much for what you do.
1:07:00
Speaker 1: Glad you're getting in touch with her. Elected a fifty
1:07:02
Speaker 1: seven six on a Friday, and a very happy one
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Speaker 1: to you. Something you want to do next Thursday seven
1:07:07
Speaker 1: o'clock is either log on or show up at the
1:07:09
Speaker 1: Scarlett Oaks Tampus on three hundred Scarlett Oaks Drive to
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Speaker 1: hear the man who is Peter Bronson. Love Peter Bronson.
1:07:15
Speaker 1: I know you know who he is. He's author of
1:07:17
Speaker 1: all these wonderful, wonderful books, including Forbidden Fruit. I think
1:07:20
Speaker 1: one of the favorite ones he's written, for Bidden Fruits
1:07:21
Speaker 1: since it He's Underworld and the Supper Club Inferno at
1:07:24
Speaker 1: the Beverly Hill Supper Club. Of course, he was editorial
1:07:26
Speaker 1: page editor for the Communists for the en Choir for
1:07:28
Speaker 1: about twenty years and under Peter Bronson, The Enquirer was
1:07:33
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1:07:35
Speaker 1: road outstanding work he did. Also, he was a contributing
1:07:38
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Speaker 1: and publisher of Chili Dog Press. You can find him
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Speaker 1: online chilidog press dot com offering publishing, writing, edition and
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Speaker 1: consulting and among the other books that he's written. He's
1:07:53
Speaker 1: going to be doing this Empower You seminar on Magical
1:07:55
Speaker 1: History Tour, Murder Mystery and Buried History. Peter Bronson, Welcome back,
1:08:00
Speaker 1: my friend. I always love having you on the program,
1:08:02
Speaker 1: and I love reading your books.
1:08:04
Speaker 6: Well, Brian, I always loved being with you, and it's
1:08:06
Speaker 6: always a good day when we start this way.
1:08:08
Speaker 3: It is.
1:08:09
Speaker 1: And you know what I mentioned specifically, not only because
1:08:12
Speaker 1: I really loved Forbidden Fruit, but that had to do
1:08:15
Speaker 1: with the Beverly Hill Supper Club, which also had to
1:08:17
Speaker 1: deal with Stan Chesley, whose name comes up, and you
1:08:19
Speaker 1: wrote a chapter on stan Chesley in You're in this
1:08:22
Speaker 1: book Magical History Tour that you're gonna be talking about
1:08:24
Speaker 1: next week. Can we start there? Because I think not
1:08:26
Speaker 1: only is it a great story, and not only do
1:08:28
Speaker 1: I think it's great that you did it because of
1:08:30
Speaker 1: what stan Chensley and others did to their clients in
1:08:34
Speaker 1: the fen fen litigation, but also in the Beverly Hill
1:08:36
Speaker 1: supper Club litigation, where he blamed aluminum wiring on something
1:08:39
Speaker 1: that was clearly a mob job, burned a supper club down,
1:08:42
Speaker 1: and killed all these people. But I bring it up
1:08:45
Speaker 1: because the way you wrote the chapter on the fen
1:08:48
Speaker 1: Finn litigation, you were you had a person in a
1:08:52
Speaker 1: I believe it was a coffee shop or a restaurant,
1:08:54
Speaker 1: listening to the conversation of two people at a different
1:08:56
Speaker 1: table who are talking about the facts in litigation, and
1:09:01
Speaker 1: that's how you told the tale, using real information that
1:09:04
Speaker 1: came out about how this thing unfolded, but in a
1:09:07
Speaker 1: narrative that I think was created whole cloth from you.
1:09:10
Speaker 1: So have I got that right?
1:09:12
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is correct. I really enjoyed doing that. It
1:09:15
Speaker 6: was kind of a It just came up to me
1:09:18
Speaker 6: as a creative way to introduce that without going through
1:09:21
Speaker 6: the usual steps of saying, you know this anonymous source
1:09:25
Speaker 6: or whatever. I mean, all of that is part of
1:09:27
Speaker 6: the public record. I actually covered the fen Fend trial
1:09:30
Speaker 6: for as much as I could get to, maybe about
1:09:33
Speaker 6: sixty percent of it, and it was just fascinating. I
1:09:36
Speaker 6: think people have long forgotten this now, but this was
1:09:39
Speaker 6: a huge event in our local history. As you remember,
1:09:43
Speaker 6: stan Chesley was the master of disaster. He was one
1:09:47
Speaker 6: of the foremost, if not the foremost class action litigator,
1:09:50
Speaker 6: not only in the US but internationally, and this was
1:09:54
Speaker 6: his downfall. It was the end of Stancheslie's career because
1:09:58
Speaker 6: of what they found.
1:10:00
Speaker 1: And what they found is he stole money from his clients.
1:10:02
Speaker 1: Isn't that really boiled down what it was?
1:10:05
Speaker 6: Well, you betman, class action settlements usually the attorney's shares
1:10:10
Speaker 6: maybe thirty percent, which is pretty outrageous when you think
1:10:13
Speaker 6: of it. Yeah, and these guys with the Kentucky attorneys
1:10:18
Speaker 6: that he buddied up with, they took more than two thirds,
1:10:23
Speaker 6: closer to seventy percent of what was intended for the victims.
1:10:26
Speaker 6: And then they kept dipping into it also to create
1:10:29
Speaker 6: these phony trusts so that they could keep paying themselves
1:10:33
Speaker 6: and also paid the judge who was guilty of taking bribes.
1:10:39
Speaker 5: Yeah, to get the right outcome.
1:10:41
Speaker 6: I mean, the whole thing was just it reeked and
1:10:43
Speaker 6: that caused the disbarnment of Stan Chesley in Kentucky, which
1:10:48
Speaker 6: was a huge deal. And then the Ohio had reciprocity,
1:10:53
Speaker 6: so they disbarred him too, and that was pretty much
1:10:55
Speaker 6: the end of his career.
1:10:56
Speaker 1: It was the end of his career, but I don't
1:10:58
Speaker 1: think he suffered enough considering what he had done. And
1:11:00
Speaker 1: others went to prison, did they not?
1:11:03
Speaker 6: Yes, they did. In fact, one of the leaders was
1:11:07
Speaker 6: guy named Bill Gallion, and he was a big deal
1:11:10
Speaker 6: at the University of Kentucky Medical School where he was
1:11:13
Speaker 6: a super lawyer there. Blue blood Kentucky, you know, big
1:11:17
Speaker 6: Kentucky basketball fan and et cetera, well known around Lexington.
1:11:22
Speaker 6: And he went to prison and he was pardoned by
1:11:26
Speaker 6: Joe Biden in those midnight pardons just before he left office.
1:11:32
Speaker 1: It is That's what I wanted. That's the last chapter
1:11:34
Speaker 1: in the book, but that's where I wanted to start
1:11:36
Speaker 1: it because when I read that, I was like Peter Bronson, Man,
1:11:38
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you used Chesley in this book. About
1:11:41
Speaker 1: the magical history to her murder mystery and buried history
1:11:44
Speaker 1: of the city another really fascinating and I know you're
1:11:47
Speaker 1: going to talk about this next Thursday in greater detail.
1:11:49
Speaker 1: The first woman how to be executed executing the electric
1:11:52
Speaker 1: chair aka the Black Widow. That was a wild story,
1:11:57
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy? Y?
1:11:58
Speaker 6: She was our first serial killer in Cincinnati. She probably
1:12:02
Speaker 6: killed at least a dozen, maybe fifteen sixteen people, and
1:12:06
Speaker 6: she cosied up mostly to elderly German immigrants, because in
1:12:11
Speaker 6: those days we had a German community that was really big,
1:12:14
Speaker 6: and a lot of them were very weak on the
1:12:17
Speaker 6: English side. So she coosed up to these old men
1:12:20
Speaker 6: who were single or widowed, and pretty soon they had
1:12:23
Speaker 6: a new girlfriend and they'd tell all their friends about it,
1:12:25
Speaker 6: and they were giving her their mortgage, they were signing
1:12:28
Speaker 6: over all their property and their bank accounts. And then
1:12:31
Speaker 6: she would come over and cook dinner for them. And
1:12:34
Speaker 6: that was, as you might say, their last supper.
1:12:36
Speaker 1: Yes, it was, and you described the conditions that I
1:12:40
Speaker 1: remember one of the guys lived. It was pretty horrific
1:12:43
Speaker 1: conditions folks lived in back then.
1:12:46
Speaker 5: It was and dying.
1:12:48
Speaker 6: She killed them with arsenic and she would salt their
1:12:50
Speaker 6: food with it, sometimes two or three meals, but usually
1:12:54
Speaker 6: as she refined her process, it just took one. She
1:12:58
Speaker 6: would cook a dinner for them.
1:12:59
Speaker 3: And that was it.
1:13:01
Speaker 6: They died a horrible, excruciating death. Just it's really appalling
1:13:07
Speaker 6: when you when you look at what happens to people
1:13:09
Speaker 6: who die from arsenic poisoning and a.
1:13:11
Speaker 1: Well told tale in your book. Man, you do a
1:13:13
Speaker 1: great job telling a tale, man.
1:13:14
Speaker 5: Thank you.
1:13:15
Speaker 1: How about the Shaker village, the commune that was the
1:13:18
Speaker 1: Whitewater Shaker Village.
1:13:22
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, if you drive out to Whitewater and look
1:13:25
Speaker 6: for the Shaker village there, it's they have tours of
1:13:28
Speaker 6: the Shaker halls and dorms and the whole property there
1:13:33
Speaker 6: is still preserved thanks to the friends of Whitewater Shaker Village.
1:13:37
Speaker 6: But if one of the places you need to stop
1:13:39
Speaker 6: is the cemetery, and there's a monument in the middle
1:13:42
Speaker 6: of this cemetery and it says this is dedicated to
1:13:45
Speaker 6: a celibate Christian Communists. I mean, those are three words
1:13:51
Speaker 6: you just don't see you are very.
1:13:53
Speaker 1: Often in these And who's gonna be Peter? I just
1:13:57
Speaker 1: figuring to myself, who's going to sign up for something
1:13:59
Speaker 1: like that? He voluntarily enters into celibacy in a commune
1:14:04
Speaker 1: basically communist And you got to work and nobody has
1:14:08
Speaker 1: any sex and man. That sounds like the worst possible
1:14:10
Speaker 1: plays on a planet, which maybe is why it disappeared.
1:14:12
Speaker 1: It's not there anymore.
1:14:15
Speaker 6: Well, exactly, you look at their cemetery and it's a
1:14:18
Speaker 6: big piece of property, maybe three or four acres, and
1:14:21
Speaker 6: there's only about ten graves, so maybe twenty graves back there.
1:14:24
Speaker 6: It's because telibacy. You know, if you don't have anybody born,
1:14:28
Speaker 6: you don't have anybody die, so they've withered away. But
1:14:32
Speaker 6: a lot of people in those days went to the
1:14:35
Speaker 6: Shakers because there was no safety net. We didn't have welfare,
1:14:39
Speaker 6: we didn't have social security, we didn't have any benefits
1:14:42
Speaker 6: for people who lost their husbands in the Civil War
1:14:46
Speaker 6: or to accidents. So a lot of people that was
1:14:49
Speaker 6: their last place of refuge.
1:14:51
Speaker 1: So well, and again, all right, going back to the
1:14:54
Speaker 1: horrific conditions. If I recall correctly the disappearance of the
1:14:57
Speaker 1: former president William Henry Harrison's son, and someone stole his
1:15:01
Speaker 1: remains after you passed away, you know where it ended up.
1:15:03
Speaker 1: You can read about it in magical history tour. This
1:15:06
Speaker 1: was the medical school, wasn't it, Peter, Yes, it.
1:15:10
Speaker 6: Was Ohio Medical School, right downtown of Cincinnati Clean supposed
1:15:14
Speaker 6: to wear the Cincinnati.
1:15:15
Speaker 1: And clean, wonderful smelling place, wasn't it, Peter, Oh.
1:15:20
Speaker 6: Lord, when I researched that, I just I was so
1:15:23
Speaker 6: glad that I never had to be near that place.
1:15:25
Speaker 6: And I can't imagine what people thought when they walked
1:15:27
Speaker 6: by it. Oh they had bats of body parts, thats yes,
1:15:35
Speaker 6: And they would steal corpses in various stages of decomposition,
1:15:41
Speaker 6: and that's what the medical students worked on.
1:15:44
Speaker 1: But they just left them laying around. That was what
1:15:46
Speaker 1: was so gross about it. It's like they had no
1:15:49
Speaker 1: regard whatsoever, not only for the dignity of the cadaver,
1:15:51
Speaker 1: but just the the intense, nasty, decaying flesh smell that
1:15:55
Speaker 1: they had to be surrounded by twenty four to seven
1:15:57
Speaker 1: trying to become a doctor.
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Speaker 5: Oh, it's appalling.
1:16:01
Speaker 6: And John Scott Harrison is unique in our American history.
1:16:05
Speaker 6: He was not only the son of our ninth president,
1:16:08
Speaker 6: he was the father of Benjamin Harrison, who's also a president.
1:16:11
Speaker 6: Nobody else can tick that box. And also when his
1:16:16
Speaker 6: family found him, he was hanging on a rope in
1:16:19
Speaker 6: a pit at the end of a crank that hauled
1:16:22
Speaker 6: cadavers and bodies up, the bodies that they'd snatched, that
1:16:25
Speaker 6: hauled him up four floors to the top of that
1:16:27
Speaker 6: room where they can dissect him.
1:16:29
Speaker 1: Just horrible it is, you know, when you read it,
1:16:32
Speaker 1: it comes for us so vividly in Peter's awesome writing.
1:16:36
Speaker 1: It'll bring bile up in the back of your throat
1:16:38
Speaker 1: as you're contemplating. But it is a fascinating story. And
1:16:41
Speaker 1: of course you're going to talk about the guy from
1:16:44
Speaker 1: Wilmington who played a role in naming both the city
1:16:47
Speaker 1: of Denver and the state of Montana. You talk to Whitewater,
1:16:50
Speaker 1: Shaker Village, the Black Widow, which we talked about already,
1:16:52
Speaker 1: the Chansley story. There's a whole bunch of beautiful, wonderful
1:16:55
Speaker 1: and very interesting Cincinnati of course related stories, and Peter
1:16:58
Speaker 1: regularly writes about it events happened here in greater Cincinnati area,
1:17:02
Speaker 1: like the Promised Land, How the Midwest was one get
1:17:05
Speaker 1: his I'll get all of his books. They're just fascinating
1:17:07
Speaker 1: reads there. I don't want to say easy reads, but
1:17:09
Speaker 1: they're just so interesting and compelling. I don't think I
1:17:12
Speaker 1: put your book down. That you're doing the seminar on
1:17:15
Speaker 1: Magical History, Tory. I don't think I put it down.
1:17:16
Speaker 1: I read a cover to cover. I just it just
1:17:17
Speaker 1: got right through it and it was great. So my listeners.
1:17:20
Speaker 1: Joe Strecker is going to add the book to the
1:17:21
Speaker 1: blog page fifty five cars dot com along with the
1:17:23
Speaker 1: information about the Empower Youth seminar. You're doing it live
1:17:26
Speaker 1: at the Empower Youth Studios. Correct.
1:17:30
Speaker 4: Correct.
1:17:30
Speaker 6: I always enjoy.
1:17:31
Speaker 1: Being with that group.
1:17:32
Speaker 6: They're great people. They've done so many great things about
1:17:35
Speaker 6: sharing information that's important to all of us, and I'm
1:17:38
Speaker 6: really looking forward to it.
1:17:40
Speaker 1: Peter, what are you writing right now? You got another
1:17:42
Speaker 1: one in the works.
1:17:42
Speaker 6: I got to ask, Well, I haven't started anything yet, Brian.
1:17:47
Speaker 6: I'm a little behind schedule for that, but I've been
1:17:49
Speaker 6: very busy with book signings, going out to visit people
1:17:52
Speaker 6: and telling them these stories just as I'm doing and
1:17:55
Speaker 6: empower you. And that's that's keeping me pretty busy.
1:17:59
Speaker 1: So I'm happy I know you are. I just was
1:18:02
Speaker 1: hoping you you already had. Well, you have a concept
1:18:04
Speaker 1: in the back of your mind. I'm going to take
1:18:05
Speaker 1: away from your statement there that at least have a
1:18:07
Speaker 1: concept that we can anxiously await yet another book. Four
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Speaker 1: at fifty five cher City Talk Station. Happy Friday Friday.
1:18:14
Speaker 1: Some people will like to imvibe, have a cocktail or
1:18:17
Speaker 1: two over the weekend. I used the remaining moment we
1:18:19
Speaker 1: got in this segment before we get to the bottom
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Speaker 1: of our news or phone calls. Love hearing from me.
1:18:23
Speaker 1: If you want to call, you'll be the first caller
1:18:25
Speaker 1: this morning. Feeling alone here on a Friday, although I
1:18:27
Speaker 1: do have Joe Strecker and God bless them. This is
1:18:30
Speaker 1: this hilarious article. People are just going back to their
1:18:33
Speaker 1: college regressing a little bit. Nearly one third. There was
1:18:35
Speaker 1: a survey by a company called Zappi on drinking. They
1:18:38
Speaker 1: served a thousand people and they determined a third of
1:18:40
Speaker 1: them start drinking. Pre drinking, I should say to avoid
1:18:44
Speaker 1: high prices when they go out to dinner or venues
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Speaker 1: or shows. So load up at home has become all
1:18:50
Speaker 1: the brand new rage. There are online forums where people
1:18:53
Speaker 1: are trading tips on how to sneak alcohol into events
1:18:56
Speaker 1: to avoid the inevitable outrageous price like a pay Corp stadium.
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Speaker 1: For example, average price of a cocktail according to the
1:19:03
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal now thirteen dollars and sixty one cents.
1:19:06
Speaker 1: That's the average price. Now go to New York City,
1:19:08
Speaker 1: they interviewed one woman said the prices are really high,
1:19:12
Speaker 1: so she pre drinks at home. She can make four
1:19:15
Speaker 1: drinks for the price of one cocktail. Apparently she went
1:19:19
Speaker 1: out to see MJ the musical thirty six dollars for
1:19:24
Speaker 1: a single vodka soda. And then there's also this concept
1:19:29
Speaker 1: called post gaming, So rather than go to another bar
1:19:33
Speaker 1: or going out after the event to a bar, you
1:19:35
Speaker 1: go home and start drinking at home, saving money. They
1:19:38
Speaker 1: say flasks are becoming more popular. Remember flasks drinking before
1:19:44
Speaker 1: you go out to dinner to save on the wine
1:19:45
Speaker 1: you might consume at dinner. And they say all of
1:19:47
Speaker 1: these different alcohol companies are having big success by well,
1:19:51
Speaker 1: airplane sized bottles. There's one company, alb Vodka, said sales
1:19:54
Speaker 1: of their airplane sized bottles in the first quarter more
1:19:57
Speaker 1: than tripled compared to the same period last year, and
1:20:00
Speaker 1: their fifty milli liter airplane bottle size out sells all
1:20:03
Speaker 1: of the larger sizes as well. I just thought this
1:20:05
Speaker 1: was a rather interesting concept. So pre drinking and post
1:20:09
Speaker 1: drinking on your own dime as opposed to paying outrageous
1:20:12
Speaker 1: price for a cocktail. Hey, you saved the dollars where
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Speaker 1: of the Iron News. Hottest local story this morning, of course,
1:20:31
Speaker 1: the firing a police chief Fiji. Yes sday talk with
1:20:33
Speaker 1: FLP President Ken Cobra at six o'clock six oh five,
1:20:36
Speaker 1: specifically this morning, if didn't get a chance hear what
1:20:37
Speaker 1: Ken had to say about this, not happy with the letter,
1:20:41
Speaker 1: boiled down what Ken commented on and uh that's at
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Speaker 1: fifty five kr Sea dot com and then coming up
1:20:46
Speaker 1: after the top of the air news at eight to five,
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Speaker 1: the return of Signal ninety nine. Outspoken on all matters
1:20:52
Speaker 1: related to policing in downtown Cincinnati, wrote a wonderful analysis
1:20:55
Speaker 1: of the letter from city Manager Cheryl Long, confirming that
1:20:59
Speaker 1: Fiji was terminated in outlining her reasons, and of course Ken,
1:21:03
Speaker 1: along with Signal ninety nine, has a lot of problems
1:21:05
Speaker 1: with the reasons articulated by the manager for firing, not
1:21:08
Speaker 1: believing they support the decision is supported, and of course
1:21:11
Speaker 1: silence was definiting. They never had any criticisms of police
1:21:14
Speaker 1: Chief DJ until like October of last year. She was
1:21:17
Speaker 1: never brought in, she was never called on the carpet,
1:21:19
Speaker 1: she was never told she was doing a bad job,
1:21:21
Speaker 1: at least by all accounts. So well and her lawyer
1:21:25
Speaker 1: is suggesting litigation will ensue. And I think you can
1:21:27
Speaker 1: bet on that. Go to polymarket and make a bet.
1:21:29
Speaker 1: You can also probably make a bet on who's going
1:21:31
Speaker 1: to win that one. Christopher Smith had been chimed in
1:21:33
Speaker 1: with me this morning in a text suggesting that well
1:21:36
Speaker 1: police chief thed former police chief DG. Will Win. Going
1:21:40
Speaker 1: over to the phones, I got Jay on the line. Jay,
1:21:42
Speaker 1: thanks for calling first call her this morning. I feel
1:21:44
Speaker 1: lonely this morning, Jay, glad to have you on the show.
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Speaker 8: Man.
1:21:47
Speaker 3: I'm honored this is Tom spot.
1:21:50
Speaker 1: But yeah, where was he this morning? A little worried. Oh,
1:21:53
Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: He's maybe delinquent is the only word I.
1:21:57
Speaker 1: Can come up with. Sleeping. He went on a bender
1:22:01
Speaker 1: last night.
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Speaker 3: That's our Tom.
1:22:05
Speaker 4: We met to man, but I felt like.
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Speaker 9: Ahead, I'm calling in on I heard I think it
1:22:14
Speaker 9: was David Dave Thomas. Representative Dave Thomas has been doing
1:22:17
Speaker 9: a good job of getting word out about He's been
1:22:20
Speaker 9: auditing Ohio public schools and finding that in their general fund,
1:22:25
Speaker 9: i'll call it a slush fund, that there is millions.
1:22:29
Speaker 9: There is tens of millions of dollars across Ohio and
1:22:32
Speaker 9: these public schools have this money invested, millions of dollars
1:22:36
Speaker 9: invested in you know, mutual funds and whatever, making a
1:22:39
Speaker 9: great return for them. I've got a buddy who works
1:22:42
Speaker 9: at one of them. He said, it's pretty hush hush,
1:22:44
Speaker 9: but every once in a while they'll dip their fund
1:22:46
Speaker 9: into that dip their hand into that slush fund. They're
1:22:49
Speaker 9: also running out the football field to private organizations. Flag
1:22:53
Speaker 9: football's taking fire and and my question, so I did
1:22:57
Speaker 9: a little research and asked our public school nonprofits and
1:23:01
Speaker 9: the answer came back and said, yes, public schools are nonprofits.
1:23:06
Speaker 9: They're not exactly set up like a nonprofit, but they're
1:23:08
Speaker 9: not allowed to make a profit. Yet they're making a profit,
1:23:11
Speaker 9: and then they're hiding it or keeping it very low
1:23:14
Speaker 9: key from the taxpayers. So if I were to do that, Brian,
1:23:18
Speaker 9: and create a nonprofit and there was money left at
1:23:21
Speaker 9: the end of every year, I take from my basic
1:23:24
Speaker 9: accounting class, I think there's a definition for that which
1:23:27
Speaker 9: is called profit. I took in money, I paid my expenses,
1:23:32
Speaker 9: and every year what's leftover continues to grow, and then
1:23:35
Speaker 9: I invest it and it makes interest, and that's left
1:23:39
Speaker 9: over more than what my expenses are. And so if
1:23:43
Speaker 9: anybody from the FBI is interested, you would investigate me.
1:23:47
Speaker 9: Why don't you go ahead and get busy and start
1:23:49
Speaker 9: investigating Ohio public schools and for those people out there
1:23:53
Speaker 9: on the fence and say, gosh, I don't know if
1:23:55
Speaker 9: we can really abolish property tax or can we cut
1:23:58
Speaker 9: it significantly? Remember that sixty percent of your property tax
1:24:02
Speaker 9: goes to these quote nonprofit profit public schools. So then
1:24:08
Speaker 9: with saying don't vote Rhino, don't vote Democrat, and FBI,
1:24:12
Speaker 9: I know you've got more than enough people hanging around
1:24:14
Speaker 9: doing nothing that we got two point seven million people
1:24:17
Speaker 9: on a federal doll maybe just I don't know, it's
1:24:20
Speaker 9: maybe ten. I'm just asking for ten. Why don't you
1:24:23
Speaker 9: go take a look into this and see what you find.
1:24:25
Speaker 1: Have a good day. But you do the same, Jay,
1:24:26
Speaker 1: I appreciate you bringing that to my attention. I was
1:24:28
Speaker 1: not aware of that. I trust you at your word,
1:24:30
Speaker 1: but that isn't that also more fundamentally, beyond the property
1:24:33
Speaker 1: tax issue here in Ohio and eradicating that to the
1:24:35
Speaker 1: extent people want to do that, and the chaos that
1:24:38
Speaker 1: will ensue. What about voting for a Levey. I don't
1:24:42
Speaker 1: think I've ever recalled anyone bringing up the slush fund
1:24:45
Speaker 1: or the invested fund for the leftover a mount that
1:24:47
Speaker 1: any school district got. And isn't that really important when
1:24:50
Speaker 1: factoring in whether you know whether or not you really
1:24:52
Speaker 1: believe the school district needs additional money. Maybe they don't
1:24:57
Speaker 1: need quite as much as they claim they need, but
1:25:00
Speaker 1: at least to disclose that, and what the annual return
1:25:02
Speaker 1: on investment is at what percentage they're making, how much
1:25:05
Speaker 1: money they literally take from whatever is invested. That's new
1:25:08
Speaker 1: information from Brian Thomas this morning. I appreciate Jay bringing
1:25:11
Speaker 1: up this is the kind of thing I love listeners bringing.
1:25:12
Speaker 6: Up to my attention approaching ideology, and it was it's
1:25:18
Speaker 6: now in New York, and it's in a town in.
1:25:20
Speaker 1: Texas, and well, you're being in intentionally cagey, Maureene. You're
1:25:26
Speaker 1: usually right out there in the open saying specifically what
1:25:28
Speaker 1: you're talking about.
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Speaker 4: I don't want anybody blocking in my driveway.
1:25:33
Speaker 1: And oh, that worried.
1:25:35
Speaker 2: Well.
1:25:36
Speaker 1: Your call springs from a comment I made from the
1:25:38
Speaker 1: stack of sto but about a guy who thought the
1:25:40
Speaker 1: government agents were following him. And I saw that I
1:25:43
Speaker 1: got hey, Mareen, is that a battered observation or is
1:25:45
Speaker 1: it a conspiracy theory? And you heard me mention your name,
1:25:48
Speaker 1: and of course it's a pattern observation, right, Maureene. You
1:25:52
Speaker 1: were the victim of one, all right, for some reason
1:25:55
Speaker 1: or other. That doesn't shock me. So I just wish
1:25:58
Speaker 1: you'd be a little more straightforward about what you're being
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Speaker 1: spied on for Mareen, you know I love you. Kiss
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Speaker 1: that grand baby for me. Would you have a fantastic weekend.
1:26:05
Speaker 1: You're not banned from the program, just one call a
1:26:07
Speaker 1: week if you got something interesting to pass along. You
1:26:10
Speaker 1: know I love hearing from you, and I always love
1:26:11
Speaker 1: hearing form the listeners. Carl. I will take your call
1:26:14
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Speaker 1: You're gonna go right to the phones. Carl was kind
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Speaker 1: enough to hold over the break there, Carl Sart. I
1:26:45
Speaker 1: couldn't get your call in the last segment, but I'm
1:26:46
Speaker 1: glad you hell welcome to the show, and Happy Friday
1:26:48
Speaker 1: to you, sir.
1:26:51
Speaker 5: You too, Brian.
1:26:53
Speaker 4: You know they said that Fiji wasn't Dorner job.
1:26:57
Speaker 6: How about the city manager. I don't think she's doing
1:27:00
Speaker 6: her job.
1:27:02
Speaker 1: It in what particular capacity or what particular realm is
1:27:05
Speaker 1: she not doing her job? I might to agree with you,
1:27:07
Speaker 1: but I'm just wondering, what's What's what?
1:27:09
Speaker 9: What?
1:27:09
Speaker 1: What's the springboard for that common car?
1:27:12
Speaker 6: Isn't a city manager supposed to make sure all the
1:27:14
Speaker 6: budgets are followed and bills are paid?
1:27:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, those pesky day to day things that the city
1:27:22
Speaker 1: manager does. I said, those pesky day to day things
1:27:28
Speaker 1: that the city manager is supposed to do. Rather than
1:27:30
Speaker 1: tell police chief Fiji former how many officers that Fiji
1:27:35
Speaker 1: needs to assign to any particular area of town, which,
1:27:39
Speaker 1: according to ken Kober, who was on earlier, is not
1:27:41
Speaker 1: the function of the Since an manager, she doesn't go
1:27:44
Speaker 1: day to day telling the police chief how many people
1:27:46
Speaker 1: need to be here or there. She doesn't have these
1:27:48
Speaker 1: an't a position she can, I guess recommend her suggest
1:27:50
Speaker 1: mandating overtime. But police Chief Thiji has her finger on
1:27:54
Speaker 1: the pulse of morale and can't force officers to work
1:27:58
Speaker 1: overtime because she fears that they are fed up with
1:28:01
Speaker 1: being overworked and might quit, leaving us with even fewer officers.
1:28:05
Speaker 1: That is an important decision that needs to be made.
1:28:07
Speaker 1: She is in the role to make that balance, and
1:28:09
Speaker 1: she's the one that looks at crime statistics and decides
1:28:12
Speaker 1: which areas of downtown Cincinnati need more officers or don't
1:28:15
Speaker 1: need additional officers, in spite of what the city manager
1:28:17
Speaker 1: might have suggested. Yeah, it's a good point. Do your
1:28:21
Speaker 1: job and leave matters involving day to day police operations
1:28:25
Speaker 1: to the police chief. Appreciate you calling out carcase the funding.
1:28:32
Speaker 6: You know, she hadn't made sure all the retirement funding
1:28:34
Speaker 6: and everything else is caught up and they're using money
1:28:39
Speaker 6: for other stupid stuff in the city.
1:28:42
Speaker 1: Hiring Iris Rollie for six hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yeah,
1:28:44
Speaker 1: we can go out all day about that stuff. Fortunately,
1:28:46
Speaker 1: Carl signal ninety nine after the top of the our news.
1:28:49
Speaker 1: In the meantime, I got to jump over to the phones,
1:28:50
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Howard Grant saw and we're gonna caut ourselves at
1:28:52
Speaker 1: a crimestopper bad guy the week. Jim hold on, I'll
1:28:54
Speaker 1: get your call right if we do this. Welcome to
1:28:56
Speaker 1: the Morning Show, Officer Grant or Lieutenant Grant. I appreciate
1:28:59
Speaker 1: what you do and he love the Sencee Police Department.
1:29:01
Speaker 1: Here in the Morning Show. Who are you looking for today?
1:29:03
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Police District one is looking for Marcus Beck. Mister
1:29:06
Speaker 3: Beck is won of for felonious assault on March twenty nine,
1:29:09
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, during a physical altercation. Mister Beck is
1:29:12
Speaker 3: accused of striking the victim in the face in the
1:29:14
Speaker 3: head with an unknown object, causing serious injuries to the victim.
1:29:18
Speaker 3: Marcus Beck is a black mail fifty eight years old,
1:29:21
Speaker 3: sixty three, one hundred and seventy five pounds. Mister Marcus
1:29:24
Speaker 3: Beck has a history of drug offenses, assault, criminal trespass
1:29:28
Speaker 3: and was last known to live on hat Maker Street
1:29:30
Speaker 3: in Price Hill. If anyone has information on where police
1:29:33
Speaker 3: can find Marcus Beck, please call crime Stoppers at five
1:29:36
Speaker 3: one three three five two three zero four zero, or
1:29:40
Speaker 3: submit a tip online a crime dash stoppers dot us.
1:29:44
Speaker 3: You can also go to p threetips dot com to
1:29:47
Speaker 3: submit an anonymous tip.
1:29:48
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. Lieutenant Grant will be looking for
1:29:51
Speaker 1: his pictures on my blog page fifty five cars dot com.
1:29:53
Speaker 1: You will be eligible for a cash reward if a
1:29:54
Speaker 1: tip leads to an arrest. Look at that guy. He
1:29:56
Speaker 1: looks like somebody's grandfather. He looks harmless. Well, looks can
1:30:00
Speaker 1: be deceiving. Let's go to the phones. Jim, thanks for
1:30:01
Speaker 1: pausing there for a moment and stand on the line.
1:30:03
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
1:30:05
Speaker 5: Good morning.
1:30:07
Speaker 6: I'd gotten this sympathy for Fiji.
1:30:08
Speaker 4: I mean, she got herself in that situation.
1:30:11
Speaker 6: She followed stupid policies to try to be soft on crime,
1:30:15
Speaker 6: and when it didn't.
1:30:17
Speaker 1: No, I think he got the facts wrong. I think
1:30:19
Speaker 1: you got the facts wrong. She looked this policing decision,
1:30:23
Speaker 1: this forcing or ordering mandating overtime was a decision that
1:30:27
Speaker 1: could have been made, but she looked at the statistics
1:30:30
Speaker 1: according to the reporting, and the areas that city manager
1:30:33
Speaker 1: Long was angry were apparently angry with her for not
1:30:36
Speaker 1: adding police and forcing mandatory overtime were not areas that
1:30:39
Speaker 1: needed additional police. As Ken Cobra pointed out earlier on
1:30:42
Speaker 1: this program, those areas that really needed more policing were
1:30:46
Speaker 1: north of the areas where they claimed she should have
1:30:48
Speaker 1: added more police. So I think she was doing her job.
1:30:51
Speaker 1: If you've got a bunch of angry officers who are
1:30:53
Speaker 1: being worked, their fingers worked to the bone because there
1:30:56
Speaker 1: aren't enough for staffing, you're regularly called into a job
1:31:00
Speaker 1: that you want to take some time off and spend
1:31:01
Speaker 1: with your family, but policing has to be done so
1:31:04
Speaker 1: you can mandate overtime. That's when you get officers quitting.
1:31:07
Speaker 1: And we've been dealing with officers retiring early, taking drop
1:31:10
Speaker 1: program earlier, just outright leaving the department to go to
1:31:13
Speaker 1: a different department because well, life sucks apparently in downtown
1:31:17
Speaker 1: sinceay for the police department, because maybe the woke policies
1:31:20
Speaker 1: of the administration, maybe they're soft on crime, approach. Maybe
1:31:23
Speaker 1: they're defund the police mentality, rethinking the police department and
1:31:27
Speaker 1: giving the roles of police officer to some people out
1:31:29
Speaker 1: there that haven't been trained in law enforcement and don't
1:31:31
Speaker 1: carry firearms and therefore ill equipped to manage the crime
1:31:34
Speaker 1: situation we're dealing with. I think they're in a world
1:31:36
Speaker 1: to hurt with this one. In terms of lawsuit, Steve
1:31:39
Speaker 1: m is going to be filing papers if I had
1:31:41
Speaker 1: to guess. As early as today, he said, enough time
1:31:43
Speaker 1: to fester over this. But now that we have the letter,
1:31:45
Speaker 1: which is shaky insofar as its justification, notably given the
1:31:50
Speaker 1: city Charter which has specific reasons that they can fire
1:31:55
Speaker 1: Chief Fiji, but it's not employment. It will after six months.
1:31:58
Speaker 1: There has to be specific reasons and I personally don't
1:32:02
Speaker 1: believe that those reasons have been met here. And of course,
1:32:04
Speaker 1: after the top of the our news, signal ninety nine
1:32:06
Speaker 1: is going to break out what her perception is, and
1:32:07
Speaker 1: trust me, I've read what she wrote. She's in my
1:32:11
Speaker 1: corner on this one, at least from a perception standpoint,
1:32:13
Speaker 1: and she does know what she's talking about. We've had
1:32:16
Speaker 1: her on several times before and regularly commenting on these
1:32:19
Speaker 1: on these affairs in downtown Sinceny. But what's more, we're
1:32:22
Speaker 1: gonna hear from Signal ninety nine on this crazy tragedy
1:32:25
Speaker 1: involving the Sincena Fire Department. Three people died. One of
1:32:29
Speaker 1: them was on the phone with dispatch in the burning building,
1:32:34
Speaker 1: trapped in a room. Apparently the fire department didn't know
1:32:37
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1:33:09
Speaker 1: going on in downtown Cincinna that involves any form of
1:33:11
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1:33:15
Speaker 1: write about, like her comments on the letter that Cheryl
1:33:18
Speaker 1: Long released firing police Chief Fiji yesterday and outlining her reasons.
1:33:23
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Signal ninety nine. It's always a distinct
1:33:25
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on the morning show. Good morning,
1:33:30
Speaker 1: good morning. Okay.
1:33:32
Speaker 4: I was gonna sing to you.
1:33:34
Speaker 5: I was gonna sink hello, it's me, but I barely
1:33:38
Speaker 5: have a voice, so I better or not?
1:33:39
Speaker 1: That's okay. Save your voice for the comments you're going
1:33:41
Speaker 1: to provide my listening audience on your analysis of this
1:33:43
Speaker 1: termination letter. Let me ask you right out of the gate,
1:33:46
Speaker 1: is there anything that Cheryl Long City manager sites in
1:33:51
Speaker 1: the letter that she justifies or hangs her hat on
1:33:55
Speaker 1: the termination decision that was not known to her or
1:33:58
Speaker 1: per Ball or anybody else and down town that had
1:34:00
Speaker 1: any knowledge of these events that led to the termination
1:34:02
Speaker 1: before she was placed on administrator to leave, in other words,
1:34:05
Speaker 1: before they retained a law firm to go over through
1:34:07
Speaker 1: her entire history and ultimately end up releasing this letter.
1:34:11
Speaker 1: Didn't they know literally everything in this letter the moment
1:34:14
Speaker 1: they put her on administrative leave? And why hadn't they
1:34:15
Speaker 1: brought that kind of stuff up before signal ninety nine.
1:34:19
Speaker 5: Because there was nothing actionable there, Brian, So let me
1:34:24
Speaker 5: ask your question, what's more cringe the email that Cheryl
1:34:28
Speaker 5: Long sent out to the entire police Department or the
1:34:31
Speaker 5: seven page tantrum that she sent to Chief DG.
1:34:35
Speaker 1: Well, let my listeners know about the email you're referring to.
1:34:39
Speaker 5: Okay, so the email is, do you want me to
1:34:43
Speaker 5: read it?
1:34:43
Speaker 1: Well, if it's yeah, I mean, if it's not overly long,
1:34:46
Speaker 1: just I'd like my listeners get lightened on what you're
1:34:48
Speaker 1: talking about.
1:34:50
Speaker 5: Do you members of the police Department? Blah blah blah
1:34:53
Speaker 5: at morning and I terminated Police Chief PG blah blah blah,
1:34:57
Speaker 5: And then let's skip to the last paragram. Thank you
1:35:01
Speaker 5: for your brave and stead past service to the City
1:35:04
Speaker 5: of Cincinnati, especially in this moment of transition. Leadership change
1:35:10
Speaker 5: can be difficult, but I am humbled and impressed by
1:35:13
Speaker 5: the way CPD continues to do brave, excellent work on
1:35:17
Speaker 5: behalf of our residents and visitors. Your commitment to the
1:35:21
Speaker 5: department is what makes our city great. M thank you.
1:35:25
Speaker 1: Sounds supportable of the Police Department and their work for
1:35:28
Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati. Residents. Right, Well, I's gonna say
1:35:33
Speaker 1: she hasn't always held that attitude. But pivoting over to
1:35:37
Speaker 1: the reasons for the termination, myriad things in here, I
1:35:41
Speaker 1: guess the biggest one that I came away with after
1:35:42
Speaker 1: talking to Ken Cober is this, uh, this this issue
1:35:45
Speaker 1: over whether or not the various areas of downtown Cincinni
1:35:49
Speaker 1: were adequately patrolled. And this dispute apparently that existed between
1:35:52
Speaker 1: Long and Police Chief Diji about forcing officers to do overtime,
1:35:56
Speaker 1: mandated overtime to increase the police presence. Now, as IRON
1:36:00
Speaker 1: understand it, police Chief Fiji looked at the data, the
1:36:04
Speaker 1: analysis of crime, where what the statistics showed, and did
1:36:07
Speaker 1: not believe that it was worth the pain that these
1:36:10
Speaker 1: officers would face in being forced to do overtime in
1:36:13
Speaker 1: areas where she did not believe additional policing was needed. Now,
1:36:17
Speaker 1: Ken seemed to suggest that there were other areas of town,
1:36:21
Speaker 1: you know, north of these areas, north of Washington Park,
1:36:23
Speaker 1: they probably could use more. But this is a this
1:36:27
Speaker 1: is a day to day management decision by Police Chief Figi.
1:36:30
Speaker 1: She looks at data and says, no, it wasn't justified.
1:36:33
Speaker 1: I'm not going to force my guys to go out
1:36:34
Speaker 1: there and do even more work because they're going to quit.
1:36:37
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the stresses we're facing. We
1:36:38
Speaker 1: don't have enough, we don't have enough police officers, and
1:36:40
Speaker 1: they're being forced to work overtime so much that many
1:36:43
Speaker 1: of them are quitting.
1:36:45
Speaker 5: That's correct, and that sheriff is doing the same thing
1:36:47
Speaker 5: right now. She's mandating eight hours of overtime every week
1:36:51
Speaker 5: to these deputies to do these tours and over the rhine.
1:36:56
Speaker 5: So Chief pg Knew mandated overtime time to fill details
1:37:04
Speaker 5: that are basically voluntary details. It kills morale. People have
1:37:10
Speaker 5: to cancel vacations, change their plan, you know, maybe the
1:37:14
Speaker 5: book to cruise, whatever. Maybe they just want to stay
1:37:17
Speaker 5: home and run naked through their house and throw a
1:37:20
Speaker 5: potato salad at whatever. It's their time off, and mandating
1:37:25
Speaker 5: over time is always a temporary band aid to a
1:37:30
Speaker 5: temporary problem that is not a solve all problem. Her
1:37:35
Speaker 5: issue was, let's take the full package that the governor
1:37:39
Speaker 5: is offering for free, okay, and flood Cincinnati with help
1:37:47
Speaker 5: for free. And you know Irish didn't have was having
1:37:51
Speaker 5: none of that. Yes, Iris Iris runs Sarah Long, Sarah
1:37:59
Speaker 5: Long does not run Irish ROLLI so Iris did not
1:38:02
Speaker 5: want to stay patrol down here do an enforcement traffic only,
1:38:07
Speaker 5: air support only, So you know, it's like nothing she
1:38:13
Speaker 5: fig did. It was a lose lose for her, but
1:38:17
Speaker 5: she did try to get things done. She did try
1:38:21
Speaker 5: to work the system, and she did try to protect
1:38:25
Speaker 5: her officers. And now here she is. And you know what,
1:38:29
Speaker 5: none of us are shocked that they fired her. We're
1:38:33
Speaker 5: sad that they, you know, are too stupid to realize
1:38:37
Speaker 5: that she probably didn't want to stay forever anyway, but
1:38:41
Speaker 5: she wanted her name back, she wanted to go out clean,
1:38:44
Speaker 5: she wanted to go out on her own terms. And
1:38:48
Speaker 5: Cheryl Long's ego just can't handle that. And that's what
1:38:51
Speaker 5: this all comes down to, Briant is ego.
1:38:55
Speaker 1: Well, when ego's not a satisfactory reason to fire a
1:38:58
Speaker 1: police chief, a court of the city char which after
1:39:00
Speaker 1: six months get they must have specific articulable reasons, and
1:39:04
Speaker 1: it does not appear that those reasons were met. And
1:39:07
Speaker 1: I guess that's where Steve m comes in.
1:39:09
Speaker 3: Here.
1:39:09
Speaker 1: Lawyer's having a press conference at two o'clock. And if
1:39:11
Speaker 1: I was a betting man, and I'm not this is
1:39:13
Speaker 1: probably when he's going to announce that he has already
1:39:15
Speaker 1: filed a a wrawful termination complaint.
1:39:19
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm guessing when you check Pacer, probably by noon
1:39:23
Speaker 5: the federal lawsuit will likely be on there. I mean,
1:39:26
Speaker 5: that's the speculation on my part. But I know Steve
1:39:29
Speaker 5: m He's a great guy. He's very passionate about this case,
1:39:36
Speaker 5: about the case for Michael Washington. He's altruistic in what
1:39:39
Speaker 5: he's doing. He's trying to get their reputations cleared, their
1:39:46
Speaker 5: names cleared, and he's trying to hold the city accountable,
1:39:50
Speaker 5: and I'm all about it.
1:39:52
Speaker 1: And I guess the other component of this is I
1:39:54
Speaker 1: thought this was a rather weird thing for Cherylong to
1:39:56
Speaker 1: bring up, although maybe you can put some flesh on
1:39:58
Speaker 1: the bones of the statement here. Upset about Police Chief
1:40:02
Speaker 1: Thiji showing up at the Sinsee Public School board meeting,
1:40:05
Speaker 1: she said that she had Askedji not to attend any
1:40:08
Speaker 1: more school board meetings. Well, CIGI has every right, as
1:40:12
Speaker 1: every citizen does, to go to a school board meeting
1:40:14
Speaker 1: and show up, even I guess if she had her
1:40:16
Speaker 1: uniform on and brought information about the problem with our
1:40:19
Speaker 1: disorderly students sorry, sucks to you, school board. She's entitled
1:40:22
Speaker 1: to do that. Is this something that Cheryl Long would
1:40:25
Speaker 1: have had really a say over Police Chief Fiji's actions
1:40:28
Speaker 1: and attending a school board.
1:40:31
Speaker 5: Well see that stepped right directly on the toes of
1:40:34
Speaker 5: Irish ROLLI, who gets paid all this money for government square. Okay,
1:40:39
Speaker 5: so the problem was the behavior of the school students
1:40:45
Speaker 5: taking metro buses to school, starting fight. They attacked a
1:40:50
Speaker 5: sixty five year old man last year that managed to
1:40:54
Speaker 5: get through the door of a close to potele trying
1:40:57
Speaker 5: to beat them off with the cane. I mean we're
1:41:00
Speaker 5: talking about pack and pass on. These kids at these
1:41:03
Speaker 5: school buses just lost, you know, they just lose their minds.
1:41:07
Speaker 5: And she went to the school board and said, you
1:41:10
Speaker 5: know what, why am I spending all this money to
1:41:15
Speaker 5: have officers do your job. These are your students and
1:41:21
Speaker 5: transit to your schools. You need to step up and
1:41:25
Speaker 5: hold these kids accountable when they act out and do
1:41:28
Speaker 5: this behavior.
1:41:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a puzzle piece that they Yeah, they have
1:41:31
Speaker 1: control over to some degree. They can suggest and tell
1:41:34
Speaker 1: children about this and maybe talk about the implications and
1:41:37
Speaker 1: ramifications of ruining our city. At least its reputation if
1:41:40
Speaker 1: not putting themselves in jeopardy of dealing with law enforcement.
1:41:42
Speaker 1: That's part of the function of the Since public schools,
1:41:45
Speaker 1: I suppose, like parents should be raising better children, You're
1:41:48
Speaker 1: going to reach out to all people who have influencing
1:41:50
Speaker 1: control over the children because our children are unruly. This
1:41:53
Speaker 1: is just one logical step for her to have done,
1:41:55
Speaker 1: and yet it got city manager Long angry, apparently, as
1:42:00
Speaker 1: Iris ROLLI is what you're.
1:42:01
Speaker 5: Saying, Well, yeah, because when she sees you went to
1:42:05
Speaker 5: the school board and said you need to start holding
1:42:08
Speaker 5: your students accountable act when they do this type of behavior.
1:42:13
Speaker 5: You know what she's basically saying is to spend them,
1:42:17
Speaker 5: put them in iss whatever you have to do, expel them, whatever.
1:42:23
Speaker 5: That's your job. That's not my job. It's not our
1:42:26
Speaker 5: job as police officers and babysit your students on your buses.
1:42:34
Speaker 5: So again Iris didn't like that. That made Iris look
1:42:39
Speaker 5: like an idiot because she's not controlling government square, which
1:42:43
Speaker 5: she's getting paid a fortune to do. True, so you
1:42:49
Speaker 5: know it's common sense. Why that angered share along. I
1:42:53
Speaker 5: have no idea, but you know what I will tell
1:42:55
Speaker 5: you that many, many, many officers of the sea like
1:43:02
Speaker 5: did a chimp flip backwards. They were so excited that
1:43:04
Speaker 5: she went to the school board and did that. That
1:43:07
Speaker 5: was actually a huge morale booster to CPD because she
1:43:10
Speaker 5: heard them, right, She heard them and their frustration over
1:43:16
Speaker 5: these kids who don't get held accountable by the schools,
1:43:20
Speaker 5: by their parents or by the juvenile court. So they
1:43:26
Speaker 5: know they felt heard and they were elated about it.
1:43:30
Speaker 1: Oh well, anything to boost morale the since a police
1:43:33
Speaker 1: department's a good thing. And you know what, it sounds
1:43:34
Speaker 1: me like Thiji did the right thing by going there,
1:43:37
Speaker 1: because if you want to get a handle on crime,
1:43:39
Speaker 1: and one of the elements of crime problem in the
1:43:41
Speaker 1: city is are these reckless crime committing juveniles. How many
1:43:45
Speaker 1: different ways can we approach the subject? What do we
1:43:47
Speaker 1: need to do to get these kids in control? Ah,
1:43:50
Speaker 1: maybe talk to the school board and get them engaged,
1:43:53
Speaker 1: let them know about the problem. Remind him it's their
1:43:54
Speaker 1: busses that are bringing the government square where they're committing
1:43:57
Speaker 1: these crimes, and get their help that. You know what,
1:44:00
Speaker 1: if she hadn't done that, maybe it would have been
1:44:02
Speaker 1: the flip on this. We're upset that you didn't go
1:44:04
Speaker 1: to the cincinni public school boards and seek their help
1:44:07
Speaker 1: in dealing with these young people who are unruly after
1:44:09
Speaker 1: they get off of public school buses. Right right, all right,
1:44:13
Speaker 1: let's pause. We'll bring Signal ninety nine back. We got
1:44:16
Speaker 1: a problem over the fire department. Fire department apparently doing
1:44:18
Speaker 1: its job. We got problems. It's say twenty here fifty
1:44:21
Speaker 1: bout kercit talk station. Brian Thomas was signal ninety nine,
1:44:24
Speaker 1: who you definitely should follow on Facebook. Signal ninety nine.
1:44:28
Speaker 1: Moving over, is there any remaining comment you want to
1:44:31
Speaker 1: chime in on with regard to the firing a police
1:44:33
Speaker 1: chief THEGI before we move over to the tragedy that
1:44:36
Speaker 1: happened on North Edgewood Avenue involving the fire department.
1:44:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just want to say we still stand with
1:44:45
Speaker 5: Chief PG. We're going to be selling her T shirts
1:44:49
Speaker 5: at our merch shop, and I know that her family
1:44:53
Speaker 5: still has yard signs available. So if you stand with
1:44:57
Speaker 5: Chief DG reach.
1:44:59
Speaker 4: Out let them know.
1:45:00
Speaker 1: Well, maybe less standing with Police t THIGI and standing
1:45:03
Speaker 1: with her because you're against the city administration, city Manager
1:45:06
Speaker 1: long Irish Rolli, and mayor Ata perval. But regardless of
1:45:09
Speaker 1: the reason to get it, you can get merchandise at
1:45:11
Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine on Facebook, pivoting over to the North
1:45:14
Speaker 1: Edgewood Avenue fire happened in January. Three people lost their
1:45:17
Speaker 1: lives and it looks to me like they shouldn't although
1:45:20
Speaker 1: the fire chief, Frank McKinley, says there would have been
1:45:23
Speaker 1: no outcome change had the fire department personnel actually known
1:45:27
Speaker 1: there were live people upstairs and exactly where those people are.
1:45:30
Speaker 1: That sounds like really important information. Signal ninety nine, Well.
1:45:36
Speaker 5: The fire chiefs, the holograph chiefs wouldn't know because he
1:45:40
Speaker 5: wasn't there. He was at a Sentinel dinner with Cheryl
1:45:43
Speaker 5: Long and ignored his call out to a critical incident fire.
1:45:48
Speaker 5: So do I have any semblance of faith at all?
1:45:56
Speaker 5: And his assessment no, none, zero zilt. What I could
1:46:01
Speaker 5: tell you is this, the inquirer, did this really stopped
1:46:07
Speaker 5: mushy like blowing kisses at the city piece yesterday?
1:46:13
Speaker 3: Oh?
1:46:13
Speaker 5: There was. There was no policy violation according to the city,
1:46:18
Speaker 5: and no need for disciplinary action according to the city.
1:46:21
Speaker 5: And it was a really stressful busy day for the dispatchers.
1:46:26
Speaker 5: And you know what, what about the woman that sat
1:46:30
Speaker 5: on the phone talking for seven minutes begging them to
1:46:36
Speaker 5: come and rescue them off of the second floor. What
1:46:38
Speaker 5: about her? What about her busy day?
1:46:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the information that the fire personnel that
1:46:43
Speaker 1: were in the building didn't get because, as you point out,
1:46:47
Speaker 1: what they did.
1:46:48
Speaker 5: They put it in the cad notes. Okay, here's the problem.
1:46:52
Speaker 5: When the DC or the AC, the incident commander is
1:46:55
Speaker 5: responding to the fire, they're driving, so they can't flip
1:46:59
Speaker 5: through and read all the cab notes. Okay, the apparatus
1:47:03
Speaker 5: that's responding, they're looking at mapping a hydrance of where
1:47:07
Speaker 5: to stage, what's going to be most effective to battle
1:47:12
Speaker 5: the fire, rescue people, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
1:47:16
Speaker 5: They're not looking for pertinent critical information about where people
1:47:21
Speaker 5: are trapped, because that's supposed to be relayed over the radio.
1:47:25
Speaker 1: Over the radio, right right, right right, So these CAD notes,
1:47:30
Speaker 1: there's no policy.
1:47:32
Speaker 5: They said, no policy exists for that. That's not true.
1:47:36
Speaker 5: The FD Radio Procedures, Section seven oh three is that
1:47:40
Speaker 5: critical information must be transmitted over the radio and repeated
1:47:45
Speaker 5: until it is acknowledged. It does not say you can
1:47:49
Speaker 5: bury it in the cab notes.
1:47:50
Speaker 1: All right, and there's no question in my mind her
1:47:52
Speaker 1: in the fire on fire building. You're begging for her
1:47:55
Speaker 1: life or pleading for her life. That's critical information. I
1:47:58
Speaker 1: don't think ABOUTY can deny that she's still on the
1:48:00
Speaker 1: phone after seven minutes first call came in at nineteen
1:48:03
Speaker 1: oh eight. Seven minutes later, she's still on the phone
1:48:06
Speaker 1: inside the burning house, telling dispatch where they are and
1:48:10
Speaker 1: that she doesn't want to die.
1:48:11
Speaker 5: Correct.
1:48:11
Speaker 1: Ten minutes later, as you point out, command has command
1:48:15
Speaker 1: actually asks is there anyone on the phone inside? That
1:48:19
Speaker 1: information should have been known because it should have gone
1:48:21
Speaker 1: over the live why.
1:48:22
Speaker 5: Radio exactly see at the ten minute mark, the dispatcher
1:48:28
Speaker 5: has to let the incident commander knows that they're at
1:48:32
Speaker 5: the ten minute mark of the fire, so they'll dispatch
1:48:36
Speaker 5: out over the air and tell them they're at the
1:48:37
Speaker 5: ten minute mark. At that point, the district chief said,
1:48:42
Speaker 5: did we ever get any calls from inside? Did we
1:48:44
Speaker 5: have people inside? And she's like whoa, yeah, trapped on
1:48:50
Speaker 5: the second floor but unresponsive for the last three minutes.
1:48:56
Speaker 5: That we have an open line, so somewhere it's still
1:48:59
Speaker 5: on the lad but no longer conscious.
1:49:02
Speaker 1: Right seven minutes, she's pleading, and by the tenth minute
1:49:05
Speaker 1: the line was not hung up. It was open, and
1:49:08
Speaker 1: she had obviously passed along or at least was incapacitated
1:49:11
Speaker 1: to the point where she couldn't talk. And the chief
1:49:14
Speaker 1: says the situation wouldn't have changed had that specific information
1:49:18
Speaker 1: been over the radio earlier. I struggle with that. I
1:49:21
Speaker 1: can't say I know what it's like to be in
1:49:22
Speaker 1: the middle of a fire, but if you know exactly
1:49:24
Speaker 1: where the person is, if there's a live person in
1:49:26
Speaker 1: a specific spot in the building, I consider that pretty
1:49:29
Speaker 1: damn valuable.
1:49:31
Speaker 5: Well, and that's exactly why they did not put all
1:49:35
Speaker 5: of the information on share Point. Like the callers that
1:49:39
Speaker 5: were calling in, like all of the radio traffic, they
1:49:43
Speaker 5: specifically have step off a SharePoint which is always on there.
1:49:47
Speaker 5: It is, it's always there, and for this fire, it wasn't.
1:49:50
Speaker 5: It was missing. So when we did that article on January,
1:49:54
Speaker 5: we said, hey, release all of it because you guys
1:49:58
Speaker 5: screwed up. The ECC screwed up big time and it
1:50:03
Speaker 5: costs likely cost these people their lives. So you know,
1:50:09
Speaker 5: now the information's out there, and it's funny because I thought,
1:50:13
Speaker 5: just I don't know. Earlier this month that the ECC
1:50:18
Speaker 5: got an award for excellence and I was going to
1:50:21
Speaker 5: bash it, okay, over these fires, but I thought maybe
1:50:26
Speaker 5: a dispatcher did something fantastic and that's why they got
1:50:29
Speaker 5: this award. And I didn't want to. I didn't want
1:50:31
Speaker 5: to step on that because I didn't really know what
1:50:33
Speaker 5: it was about. But now I do. They knew this
1:50:36
Speaker 5: would all come out, so we're going to give them
1:50:39
Speaker 5: an award. You know, we start ripping in terror on Irish.
1:50:43
Speaker 5: Really they give her an award. We you know, we
1:50:46
Speaker 5: start ripping in terror on shareah long, she gets a
1:50:49
Speaker 5: perfect evaluation. It's like, could this be any more? What's
1:50:56
Speaker 5: the word I'm looking for? Help me out, Brian.
1:50:59
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm gonna find an FCC compliant word. Signal Yeah, okay.
1:51:05
Speaker 5: And I don't want you to dump the last sixty seconds.
1:51:08
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say it.
1:51:09
Speaker 1: That's why I said that I misread what she had said.
1:51:12
Speaker 1: At one point I hit the dumb button and she
1:51:14
Speaker 1: didn't say the bad word I thought she said. Signal
1:51:16
Speaker 1: ninety nine, keep up the great work. I will strongly
1:51:18
Speaker 1: encourage if you want more of the breakdown of the
1:51:21
Speaker 1: fire incident and Signal ninety nine's analysis of yesterday's termination letter.
1:51:25
Speaker 1: It's in glorious details Signal ninety nine nine Facebook, multiple
1:51:28
Speaker 1: pages of information there, it's worth going through. You too
1:51:31
Speaker 1: will be left scratching your head why there has been
1:51:33
Speaker 1: no disciplinary action over in the fireside, and of course
1:51:37
Speaker 1: all the reasons why there was no justification for firing
1:51:40
Speaker 1: Folice she Thigi Signal ninety nine. I hope you have
1:51:42
Speaker 1: a wonderful weekend. Thanks for sharing your stories with us
1:51:44
Speaker 1: here on the fifty five Carse Morning Show. You know
1:51:45
Speaker 1: you're always welcome here. It is Friday, is the eight
1:51:49
Speaker 1: thirty segment. Jack Winsor from the hot Press Network, we're
1:51:53
Speaker 1: supposed to be on the phone. I don't see him there, Joe,
1:51:55
Speaker 1: he's not on the zoom call. What happened to him?
1:51:58
Speaker 1: You keeping a keeping track? I don't need a dump
1:52:03
Speaker 1: on Jack. I think he's a good guy, does some
1:52:04
Speaker 1: good work at theio Press Network, but he didn't fulfill
1:52:06
Speaker 1: his committment to be in the morning show this morning.
1:52:08
Speaker 1: At anyway, probably open the phone lines up. We can
1:52:10
Speaker 1: take callers if you want. Joe, if I went three seven, four,
1:52:12
Speaker 1: nine to fifty five hundred, eight hundred and eight two
1:52:13
Speaker 1: to three talk pound five fifty on eight and t phones. Yeah,
1:52:16
Speaker 1: and I just give you a quick local story here
1:52:18
Speaker 1: because I was thinking of Jay, who is always complaining
1:52:20
Speaker 1: about theft in government programs. Right here in Ohio, we
1:52:25
Speaker 1: got some SNAP. Five men have been charged for their
1:52:27
Speaker 1: allegedles and conspiracy stealing nearly a one million dollars with
1:52:31
Speaker 1: the SNAP benefits here in Ohio as well as California
1:52:34
Speaker 1: court to the US Attorney's Office with the Northern District,
1:52:36
Speaker 1: Ohio in their announcement earlier this week. Five of them
1:52:38
Speaker 1: all citizens of Romanian and I joked about that this morning.
1:52:41
Speaker 1: If it was Somalia, someone would be call me a
1:52:43
Speaker 1: racist or oh, the Northern District of Ohio a racist
1:52:46
Speaker 1: for going after crimes committed by the a subset of
1:52:49
Speaker 1: the Somalian community. This happens to be a subset of
1:52:51
Speaker 1: the Romanian community. I guess is it racist anyway? Sorry
1:52:54
Speaker 1: for the editorial interjection. There accused of using point of
1:52:57
Speaker 1: sales skimmers to steal SNAP program account information. You know
1:53:01
Speaker 1: the skimmers that you hear about being placed on gas
1:53:03
Speaker 1: tanks giving the card information. That's what they were doing,
1:53:06
Speaker 1: and then transferring the money into bank accounts that they created,
1:53:11
Speaker 1: and then transferring that money into cards that they sold
1:53:15
Speaker 1: to other people, so you can see the chain of events.
1:53:17
Speaker 1: Steal the money, steal the information, put in a bank account,
1:53:19
Speaker 1: and then can transform into something that's saleable. Nine hundred
1:53:22
Speaker 1: and sixty one thousand dollars stolen or attempted to be stolen.
1:53:25
Speaker 1: People whose names I can never ever hope to pronounce
1:53:28
Speaker 1: have been indicted, including the multiple aliases that they have.
1:53:32
Speaker 1: Apparently they've been charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud
1:53:35
Speaker 1: and mail fraud, conspiracy to commit access device fraud, conspiracy
1:53:39
Speaker 1: to commit identity theft, sale or receipt of stolen government moneys.
1:53:44
Speaker 1: One of them is facing additional charges for re entry
1:53:46
Speaker 1: of a removed alien kicked out of the United States
1:53:51
Speaker 1: previously February of twenty three and February of twenty nineteen
1:53:55
Speaker 1: after being found in the country without consent of the
1:53:57
Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security to reapply for admit, a recidivist
1:54:02
Speaker 1: re enterer of our country and obviously a criminal element.
1:54:06
Speaker 1: So I, presumer, gotta be found guilty. Ultimately, it's eight
1:54:13
Speaker 1: thirty five more to talk about coming up. Who you
1:54:16
Speaker 1: can stick around, be right back. Fifty five KRC credit
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Speaker 1: card interest rates are now retructation Friday, in the absence
1:54:25
Speaker 1: of Jack Windsor to talk about this particular topic. He
1:54:27
Speaker 1: had a shout out to Senator Casey Weinstein here in
1:54:31
Speaker 1: Ohio about the Southern Poverty Law Center back last year August,
1:54:36
Speaker 1: and he reposted that Jack did on his page. August
1:54:39
Speaker 1: thirty first. Senator Weinstein had this to say, the Nazis
1:54:43
Speaker 1: were back in Hudson today and shouting my name out
1:54:46
Speaker 1: to so Amanda his wife. I'm guessing man, and I
1:54:49
Speaker 1: decided every time they show their faces even behind their masks,
1:54:52
Speaker 1: and spout their bile in my district, I'll make a
1:54:54
Speaker 1: donation to the ADL Cleveland, the pre eminent organization fighting
1:54:57
Speaker 1: anti Semitism, to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks
1:55:01
Speaker 1: and fight eight groups nationally, and to the NAACP, which
1:55:04
Speaker 1: fights for civil rights and justice for all people. So
1:55:06
Speaker 1: cash contribution to those organizations every time a klansman shows
1:55:10
Speaker 1: up or screams anti Semitic hatred at Senator Weinstein and
1:55:15
Speaker 1: Jack sort of positive. The question, wow, that's an awkward
1:55:17
Speaker 1: positions was just from the other day for a progressive
1:55:19
Speaker 1: at Ohio State Senator Weinstein to be and I wonder
1:55:21
Speaker 1: if he's calling for his SPLC donations back and lighting
1:55:26
Speaker 1: up social media since the SPLC allegedly funded the bad actors,
1:55:29
Speaker 1: which would mean that Casey actually, well, you know, yeah,
1:55:34
Speaker 1: funded what the sub Southern Poverty Law Center wasn't doing,
1:55:36
Speaker 1: which was giving money to these racist organizations. Pivot over
1:55:41
Speaker 1: to the Wall Street Journal taking an analysis of this,
1:55:43
Speaker 1: and yeah, according to the indictment, between twenty fourteen and
1:55:47
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, the SPLC used, and they're a nonprofit,
1:55:52
Speaker 1: donor contributions to infiltrate these so called right wing extremist
1:55:57
Speaker 1: groups and pay informants. SPLC mission purportedly is to fight
1:56:02
Speaker 1: hate and extremism, but the SBLC allegedly helped the groups
1:56:06
Speaker 1: by paying them more than three million dollars to leaders
1:56:09
Speaker 1: and the likes of the Ku Klux Klan and the
1:56:13
Speaker 1: National Socialist Movement. To pay informants, SBLC allegedly set up
1:56:18
Speaker 1: bank accounts under fictitious names to disguise the source of
1:56:21
Speaker 1: the payments. The indictment charges the SPLC with eleven counts,
1:56:25
Speaker 1: including bank fraud, wirefraud, conspiracy, money laundering. Now, the SBLC
1:56:29
Speaker 1: says those allegations are fault of course they did false,
1:56:32
Speaker 1: and the indictment is another case of Trump weaponizing the
1:56:34
Speaker 1: Justice Department. But the investigation started years ago in the
1:56:41
Speaker 1: US Attorney's office in the Middle District of Alabama, in
1:56:44
Speaker 1: other words, preceded Donald Trump. They were looking into this
1:56:47
Speaker 1: group already. SPLC interim CEO Brian Ferre said in a
1:56:50
Speaker 1: statement that the program was necessary because dealing with hate
1:56:54
Speaker 1: groups is among the most dangerous work there is. In
1:56:57
Speaker 1: his program, he said, save lives now, as journal acknowledges,
1:57:02
Speaker 1: maybe using informants to warn about the threats of violence
1:57:05
Speaker 1: may be defensible. In other words, we've got a guy
1:57:06
Speaker 1: on the inside who knows when they're going to attack
1:57:08
Speaker 1: or do something evil or criminal, then you let them know.
1:57:11
Speaker 1: But the charges of true reveal a problematic symbiosis between
1:57:15
Speaker 1: the SPLC and its informant sources. One informant allegedly the
1:57:19
Speaker 1: member of a chat group that helped plan the twenty
1:57:23
Speaker 1: seventeen Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. Remember some of
1:57:27
Speaker 1: the people, some really good people on both sides lie.
1:57:30
Speaker 1: That was perpetuated, repeated over and over again, as if
1:57:32
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was celebrating the racists that were there. No,
1:57:36
Speaker 1: by all accounts, and it's been acknowledged that he was
1:57:38
Speaker 1: merely commenting that that group or that event drew people
1:57:42
Speaker 1: of all different political stripes. There were residents there that
1:57:45
Speaker 1: just showed up to hear what was going on. Not violent,
1:57:49
Speaker 1: not racist, just inquisitive. So that is there were some
1:57:54
Speaker 1: really good people, I guess, on both sides. But it
1:57:56
Speaker 1: wasn't the racist on the one side that the SPLC
1:57:59
Speaker 1: paid anyway. That Unite to Right rally in Charlottesville. Two
1:58:02
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy thousand dollars was paid to the source
1:58:05
Speaker 1: between twenty fifteen and twenty twenty three, who ended up
1:58:09
Speaker 1: making racist posts under the supervision of the SPLC. So
1:58:15
Speaker 1: you're paying an informant and they're going out and engaging
1:58:19
Speaker 1: in racist posts endorsed by the SPLC. Is that endorsing racism?
1:58:28
Speaker 1: Isn't that contrary to the mission of the SPLC? And probably,
1:58:31
Speaker 1: and I would argue, contrary to what the donors who
1:58:33
Speaker 1: gave the SPLC money wanted with their money. Charlottesville protests
1:58:40
Speaker 1: proved a great fundraising event for the SPLC. Of course
1:58:44
Speaker 1: it did because people were reminded every single day of
1:58:47
Speaker 1: the lie that Donald Trump said. There were good people
1:58:49
Speaker 1: there sizeable no nations from people who probably are a
1:58:53
Speaker 1: little bit angry about what SPLC did with the money.
1:58:55
Speaker 1: George Clooney among others, and Apple Inc. And all the
1:58:57
Speaker 1: other companies that got shakedown felt the need give to
1:59:00
Speaker 1: the SPLC because they, I guess were free of sin
1:59:04
Speaker 1: and Diamond also says two SPLC field sources, including a
1:59:07
Speaker 1: former chairman of the National Alliance and leader of the
1:59:10
Speaker 1: National Socialist Party of America, were featured as quote extremist
1:59:14
Speaker 1: files on the SPLC website at the same time they
1:59:17
Speaker 1: were receiving money from the SPLC. It reported one group
1:59:23
Speaker 1: received more than one hundred and forty thousand dollars between
1:59:25
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and twenty twenty three, the second received more
1:59:28
Speaker 1: than seventy thousand dollars between twenty fourteen and twenty sixteen.
1:59:32
Speaker 1: SBLC business model, as the Journal Rights, is to monitor
1:59:35
Speaker 1: hate groups, and the profiles it creates for media and
1:59:37
Speaker 1: public consumption are part of its marketing to donors. Complaint
1:59:42
Speaker 1: notes that one field source from the KKK applied to
1:59:46
Speaker 1: quote unquote take part in an Adopt the Highway program,
1:59:51
Speaker 1: but was denied during the informants litigation seeking to join
1:59:55
Speaker 1: the program. When he got denied, he sued them. The
1:59:58
Speaker 1: SBOC paid more than thirty five five hundred dollars to
2:00:01
Speaker 1: the source. Question was the SPLC helping encourage the litigation
2:00:08
Speaker 1: donations to hate groups of them are more suspect because
2:00:10
Speaker 1: in recent years the SPLC has itself spread hate. The
2:00:15
Speaker 1: outfit has a diversified its definition of extremist group to
2:00:18
Speaker 1: include mainstream and non threatening conservative groups like the Alliance
2:00:21
Speaker 1: Defending Freedom, Family Research Council and Do No Harm, which
2:00:25
Speaker 1: works against race preferences in medicine. Now, to the extent
2:00:29
Speaker 1: the money encouraged or sustained the racist group, tacitly or otherwise,
2:00:35
Speaker 1: SPLC benefited from perpetuating racial division. Ultimately, a court's got
2:00:40
Speaker 1: to decide if that's illegal. But amen, it's certainly disreputable.
2:00:48
Speaker 1: I see Pats on the phone. Pat, hold on a second.
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Speaker 1: It's eight forty six hot to take quick pause here
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Speaker 1: for some brief words.
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Speaker 3: Be right back.
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Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC for investors with significant talk station by
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Speaker 1: hope you have a happy Friday and a great weekend.
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Speaker 2: Geez sc.
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Speaker 1: And real quick here going back to the Lincoln Heights
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Speaker 1: Clan demonstration on the bridge last year. You'll remember that
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Speaker 1: kind of this seventh part of Law Center makes you
2:01:37
Speaker 1: feel like, were they really clansmen? If you don't have
2:01:40
Speaker 1: any clan in the neighborhood and you really want to
2:01:41
Speaker 1: get people angry and worried and distress, wouldn't you show
2:01:44
Speaker 1: up as klansmen and pretend like you are actually racist
2:01:47
Speaker 1: invading Lincoln Heights of all places. Show up in a
2:01:50
Speaker 1: U haul, get dropped off, freak people out, jump back
2:01:52
Speaker 1: in the U haul and escape. Well, that's a way
2:01:55
Speaker 1: of boosting the SPLC's credibility. Maybe can't use that word
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Speaker 1: under the current circumstances. Pat, you're first welcome to the
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Speaker 1: Morning Show. Thanks for calling.
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Speaker 10: Happy Friday Friday to you, Brian, and I wanted to say,
2:02:09
Speaker 10: I said to Joe, I pray for you and Joe
2:02:13
Speaker 10: and I thank you guys for everything that you do
2:02:15
Speaker 10: and all the people that you bring to bring out truth,
2:02:18
Speaker 10: and that is something that our city council and our
2:02:20
Speaker 10: city government doesn't seem to want to accept.
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Speaker 3: Well no, well you know.
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Speaker 1: Why, Pat, is because truth would lead people to conclude
2:02:29
Speaker 1: that maybe they don't know what the hell they're doing.
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Speaker 6: Oh, they can't be the word that I think Signal
2:02:36
Speaker 6: ninety nine was grasping for, and maybe this isn't even
2:02:38
Speaker 6: close enough. Is absurd because what they do is absolutely absurd,
2:02:43
Speaker 6: and by their actions, they're ruining the city and making
2:02:47
Speaker 6: it unsafe for people like me who used to come
2:02:50
Speaker 6: downtown all the time with my family. I'm not comfortable
2:02:54
Speaker 6: down there anymore.
2:02:56
Speaker 1: I understand that. I understand that. And with these street takeovers,
2:02:59
Speaker 1: which the police are struggling to cope with and deal
2:03:01
Speaker 1: with all across America. You got these coordinated efforts. Where
2:03:04
Speaker 1: do you think they're most likely to happen? Right on
2:03:06
Speaker 1: big events October Fest, maybe the fireworks this fall, Maybe
2:03:10
Speaker 1: at the Asian Food Festival this weekend, which I kind
2:03:13
Speaker 1: of really would have wanted to go to, But when
2:03:15
Speaker 1: I brought it up the other day, my wife kind
2:03:16
Speaker 1: of looked at me like I was crazy and out
2:03:18
Speaker 1: of my mind for even considering wanting to go to
2:03:20
Speaker 1: a big event in downtown Cincinnati. Welcome to the Reality,
2:03:23
Speaker 1: Pat great Man. I appreciate you calling you up. You
2:03:25
Speaker 1: have a wonderful, wonderful weekend. One more call online, Robert,
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Morning Show.
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Speaker 8: Good morning, Brian.
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Speaker 6: How are you.
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Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty dark, that's all. It's Friday, brother. I
2:03:34
Speaker 1: am always good.
2:03:38
Speaker 8: Listen, you're talking to a person in their eighties out
2:03:41
Speaker 8: here a mile in Indiana, and I listened to you
2:03:43
Speaker 8: all the time, but I haven't call it in a while. Listen.
2:03:46
Speaker 8: A couple of days ago, you had a program on
2:03:49
Speaker 8: through the vets at funerals where they play taps. Yes,
2:03:53
Speaker 8: And I'm just wondering at the end of your show
2:03:55
Speaker 8: all the time they play the Star Spangled banner. I
2:03:58
Speaker 8: just wonder if you pop somebody can play taps on
2:04:02
Speaker 8: Fridays for us to remember all the first responders and
2:04:05
Speaker 8: the military, because that's been played so many times and
2:04:10
Speaker 8: it brings a tear to my eye and I was
2:04:12
Speaker 8: a first responder, so well, thank you. I don't know
2:04:14
Speaker 8: if that's possible or not.
2:04:16
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's possible either. At programming, suggestions
2:04:19
Speaker 1: like that are out of my hands. I'm not responsible
2:04:22
Speaker 1: for such matters. And I think that is an iHeartMedia
2:04:25
Speaker 1: thing that in honor of the Twitter to fiftieth anniversary
2:04:27
Speaker 1: of our country's founding, that they're playing that in honor
2:04:30
Speaker 1: of that. So don't know that we can make a substitute.
2:04:32
Speaker 1: But I do appreciate you bringing back up the VFW
2:04:35
Speaker 1: Memorial Team. Great work they do, and I'll thank you
2:04:38
Speaker 1: for your service.