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SINGER D4VD FLEES $20K/MONTH HOME, 'BLOOD-SOAKED' VIDEO AFTER TEEN GIRL DEAD IN HIS TELSA · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the singer David Anthony Burke
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  Speaker 1: known as David. It looks like D four VD has
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  Speaker 1: fled his twenty thousand dollars a month home, breaking a
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  Speaker 1: very expensive lease. Why why run out and flee your
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  Speaker 1: home in the middle of the night. Are you concerned
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  Speaker 1: about what forensic evidence is found in the home or
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  Speaker 1: does it hold bad memories? This as a blood soaked
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  Speaker 1: video emerges after a teen girl just thirteen years old,
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  Speaker 1: when she goes missing, Celeste, is found dead in the
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  Speaker 1: trunk of his Tesla LAPD. Why no arrest? I needs
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  Speaker 1: he This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. You can smell the truck as
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  Speaker 1: you approached the tesla. How can somebody put a then
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  Speaker 1: thirteen year old little girl in a truck and leave
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  Speaker 1: the car there for weeks on? And an integral part
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  Speaker 1: of any homicide investigation is a time line. It's critical
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  Speaker 1: based on a timeline, you can alibi people, you can
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  Speaker 1: unalibi other people that you're looking at as a suspect.
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  Speaker 1: It changes everything. And in the last hours, a video
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  Speaker 1: has emerged potentially placing this little girl just thirteen years
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  Speaker 1: old when she goes missing at a David d four
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  Speaker 1: VD concert in Maryland on August twenty four. Significance very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Dave mack joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave mac win.
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  Speaker 1: Was Celeste's body found in David Burke's Tesla Trump. She
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  Speaker 1: was found on September the eighth, and it had been
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  Speaker 1: sitting out on the street in posh Hollywood Hills for
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  Speaker 1: weeks that we know of. So that gives me a timeline.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting at. And this will be very
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  Speaker 1: significant when we have doctor Kendall Crown's right now medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner explain the degree of dcomp in this little girl's body.
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  Speaker 1: So if she is alive, if this is in fact
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  Speaker 1: her in the video August twenty four, and then we've
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  Speaker 1: got September seven, that gives me a timeline. Let's take
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  Speaker 1: a look at the video right now. This video has
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  Speaker 1: been circulating video from at clips of David on TikTok. Now,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it true? Melissa McCarty joining me, I investigative reporter,
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  Speaker 1: host of the Killer Jeans podcast, author of the Making
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  Speaker 1: of a Crime Reporter. Melissa, Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it true that Celeste's body was found in a
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  Speaker 1: black tube top and ripped jeans. Isn't that true, Melissa?
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  Speaker 2: She was about seventy five miles away from where she
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  Speaker 2: was living with her family in Lake Elsinoor in the
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood Hills.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to come back to you on that, Melissa,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't think she was living with her family anymore.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't one time, and then she goes missing. And
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  Speaker 1: according to neighbors that we have heard about tonight, she
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  Speaker 1: had been living with this grown man, David Anthony Burke
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  Speaker 1: aka David for a long time. Some sources date her
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  Speaker 1: relationship back to her age eleven. Did you see that
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  Speaker 1: picture of her as a little girl, Yeah, age eleven,
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  Speaker 1: We could establish age thirteen. You are seeing video from
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  Speaker 1: at clips of David on TikTok. I want to see
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  Speaker 1: that again because now we are learning. We are learning.
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  Speaker 1: Moses Castillo joining me, former supervisor detective at LAPD, private
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  Speaker 1: investigator for the Dordellian Law Group. Castillo. Look at this.
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  Speaker 1: People are saying, no, that's not her. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: woman that a young girl that looks just like her,
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  Speaker 1: that is wearing her clothes, that is in a balcony
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  Speaker 1: reserved for special guests and family and Moses Castillo. Uh oh,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, this is from atclips of David on
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  Speaker 1: TikTok Moses same clothes. People are saying, oh, wait, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that's her, Sure looks like her. Who should
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  Speaker 1: I believe them? Are my lying eyes?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I believe it is her, and I believe many
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  Speaker 3: people also believe it's her, beginning in several dms on
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  Speaker 3: my social media with that same video saying oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 3: he killed her in August.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, this is from a over Springs, Maryland concert August
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  Speaker 1: twenty four, and if true, these photos create a timeline
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  Speaker 1: from August twenty four until her decomposing body is found
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  Speaker 1: in Burke artists known as David Tesla in an m
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  Speaker 1: pound lot on September eight. Is reported the Tesla was
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  Speaker 1: parked on the street for about a month before being
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  Speaker 1: reported abandoned. There is I assume that is the front
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  Speaker 1: of the to lot. It was reported abandoned September three.
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  Speaker 1: Now we now have a timeline from August twenty four
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  Speaker 1: to September three, not when the body was discovered in
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  Speaker 1: the parking in the toe lot, but when it was abandoned.
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  Speaker 1: The body was already in there. We have now narrowed
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  Speaker 1: the timeline down from August twenty four to September three.
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  Speaker 1: Me right now is a renowned medical examiner. And when
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  Speaker 1: I say that, I mean it. I go to doctor
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  Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's repeatedly on and off air with questions why.
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  Speaker 1: Because he has performed over ten thousand autopsies. I'm talking accident,
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  Speaker 1: natural causes, suicide, homicide, and of course undetermined deaths. He
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  Speaker 1: has autopsied infants, the elderly, bizarre deaths and found the
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  Speaker 1: answer from inside his morgue. He is the host a
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  Speaker 1: hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue, and he is a
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  Speaker 1: chief medical examiner in Terran County that's Fort Worth, and
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  Speaker 1: esteemed lecturer at the Brenet School of Medicine at TCU.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, what does this mean to you? The fact
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  Speaker 1: that we have a narrow timeline August twenty fourth to
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  Speaker 1: September three. Her body was an advanced eight of decomposure.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know if we're going to get a
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  Speaker 1: cod cause of death.
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  Speaker 4: Well with individuals that have been placed in trunks or
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  Speaker 4: have been murdered and then not found for a period
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  Speaker 4: of time, especially in a warm environment, you can have
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  Speaker 4: a significant amount of decomposition and cur where the body
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  Speaker 4: begins to blow or fill up with gases. It turns
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  Speaker 4: the discoloration of a green discoloration. It almost gets a
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  Speaker 4: black color. At some points the skin starts to slip off,
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  Speaker 4: and this can obscure injuries, but it won't completely obscure
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  Speaker 4: gunshot wounds and knife wounds. It can actually make strangulations
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  Speaker 4: hard to detect. But all in all, you can still
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  Speaker 4: can you.
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  Speaker 1: See your monitor as you're just tripping is the word
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  Speaker 1: just tripping off your tongue? You see who we're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: that little girl. You're talking about our body turning green
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  Speaker 1: and then black, And how I don't know how you
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  Speaker 1: do that? How you just look at this gorgeous little
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  Speaker 1: girl just thirteen at the time she goes missing and
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  Speaker 1: talk about her skin turning green. Okay, that's for you
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  Speaker 1: and your strength to figure out how we're going to
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  Speaker 1: get a CEOD on this little girl.
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  Speaker 4: By doing a complete autopsy, they'll be able to evaluate
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  Speaker 4: the body for injuries and any fractures or anything of
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  Speaker 4: that nature. You can look at the neck structures, looking
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  Speaker 4: at the hyoid bone, which is a bone in the
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  Speaker 4: neck looking for fractures things of that nature. You can
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  Speaker 4: look at the skeletal system looking for fractures of the bone.
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  Speaker 4: You can still see the skin surface even though they're decomposing,
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  Speaker 4: and you can see injuries that look like gunshot wounds
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  Speaker 4: or stabbings. The only problem is when the body is decomposing,
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  Speaker 4: if you get insect activity. Insects can alter how injuries
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  Speaker 4: will look, and they can also create their own burrowing
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  Speaker 4: into the body that can look like injuries themselves. So
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  Speaker 4: you're going to want to look for blood.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, stop right there.
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  Speaker 5: Place.
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  Speaker 1: You are now talking about a very very advanced technolog
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  Speaker 1: and it is for entomology, where the age of for instance,
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  Speaker 1: a blowfly, a maggot, the age of the maggot can
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  Speaker 1: determine how long the body has been dead because maggots
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  Speaker 1: or blowflies appear at a certain point in decomposition. So
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  Speaker 1: if they're one day old, two days old, three days old,
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  Speaker 1: if they have already laid their own eggs, that can
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  Speaker 1: give you a date of death. Did I enunciate that correctly? Yes, The.
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  Speaker 4: Life cycle of a blowfly can be helpful in trying
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  Speaker 4: to help pinpoint the time frame in which this individual died,
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  Speaker 4: although the life cycle can be altered by things like cocaine,
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  Speaker 4: which can speed up the life cycle, So you have
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  Speaker 4: to take into effect environmental conditions around it when you're
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  Speaker 4: making those determinations on how long that individual's been dead.
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  Speaker 1: Many listeners and viewers have asked, how can a blowfly
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  Speaker 1: get into a sealed trunk? And, as you know with
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  Speaker 1: the Tesla, it's a fronk. The trunk is in the front,
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  Speaker 1: but they somehow managed to get in spaces that seem
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  Speaker 1: to be hermetically sealed. I don't know how they do it,
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  Speaker 1: but they do get in, and their existence can help
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  Speaker 1: you pinpoint a time of death. Now, I'd like to
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  Speaker 1: draw the attention of our veterans trial lawyer Troy Slayton
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  Speaker 1: to a video. I'm about to play Slayton out of
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  Speaker 1: this jurisdiction LA criminal defense attorney at Slayton Lawyers. Let's
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  Speaker 1: roll the video. Please take a look, Troy Slayton. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: who's that? Oh it's the artist known as what's he doing? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: He's putting a dead, bloody body into a car trunk.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just let that soak in for a moment, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Chroyce Layton joining me. Guys, this is from David YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: That's not helping any potential defense.
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  Speaker 6: So we're going to prosecute people now because of their art.
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  Speaker 6: We're going to prosecute people because of music videos that
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  Speaker 6: were heavily produced and edited and created by a team
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  Speaker 6: of creative experts.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think so, Nancy.
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  Speaker 6: He also had a casket on stage sometimes what he
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  Speaker 6: would perform. So just because he was obsessed with these
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  Speaker 6: morbid themes, that doesn't mean that he's a murderer.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's really helping anything.
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  Speaker 6: That you bring up a task which shows the perfect
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  Speaker 6: thing for somebody who wants to frame him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm totally not hiring you anymore when I when I
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  Speaker 1: murder someone, If you're going to bring up that I've
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  Speaker 1: been obsessing on a casket and then I commit a murder,
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  Speaker 1: no no, no no no, uh no, Slaton, he's obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with this the video Again, it's not just that he
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  Speaker 1: may be obsessed with death. Here's an mo O. You
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  Speaker 1: know what that is, right, modus operadi method of debt,
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  Speaker 1: method of operation. Can I see the video? This is
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  Speaker 1: not a casket. This is him dragging a body. As
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  Speaker 1: you say, for art sake and putting it in a trunk,
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  Speaker 1: a dead alsody, a bloody dead a trunk. That's the
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  Speaker 1: method of operation here.
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  Speaker 6: There's all sorts of other imagery that's going on here.
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  Speaker 6: And this is a a person, an artist who's obsessed
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  Speaker 6: with Japanese anime which glorifies certain death and alter egos.
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  Speaker 6: He talked about having an alter ego that was obsessed
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  Speaker 6: with death.
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  Speaker 7: And so I don't think that some music video.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what's really interesting that you would say that because
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  Speaker 1: you remember the name Orenthal J. Simpson, right a J. Simpson.
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  Speaker 1: He talked about sports on TV, but he also had
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  Speaker 1: a premonition that he murdered his wife, Nicole.
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  Speaker 7: And he did you mean the book if I did it.
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  Speaker 1: Trust me, if you did it. I am not making
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  Speaker 1: a cameo appearance as a defense attorney. Just know that.
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  Speaker 1: And while you chalk this up to freedom of expression
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  Speaker 1: in First Amendment, you know what, Just stop that. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Angela Arnold is a psychiatrist who has been voted to
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  Speaker 1: the top of all sorts of accolades. She's an Angela Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: MD and former Professor Psychiatry at Emma University, former medical
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  Speaker 1: director its Psychiatric clinic at Grady Memorial, which is known
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  Speaker 1: for its high traffic. Dodriangie, thank you for being with us. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Chroice late and I knew who's going to fall back
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  Speaker 1: on the first Amendment there, But I want you to
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  Speaker 1: look again at your monitor and tell me who creates
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  Speaker 1: that who I mean think about because so remember how
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  Speaker 1: he treated women in his life like crap And I'm
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  Speaker 1: putting that very mildly. And his art showed them dissected
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  Speaker 1: and in cubes, and their bodies all ripped apart and
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  Speaker 1: very ugly, like their tongues hanging out and their eyes
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  Speaker 1: one over here and one over here. Yes, that was
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  Speaker 1: freedom of expression too, and he also hated women. So
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  Speaker 1: help me out with this video. I'm not saying this
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  Speaker 1: is state's exhibit number one. I think we're going to
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  Speaker 1: have hard evidence if this ever goes to trial as
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  Speaker 1: to who murdered this little girl. But I want you
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  Speaker 1: to analyze this video.
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  Speaker 8: SoC The control and domination that can be shown in
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  Speaker 8: this are signs for the musician of hyper masculinity. So
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  Speaker 8: that is what we're seeing in his in his performance.
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  Speaker 8: That is what is what he is in acting. He
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  Speaker 8: is in acting the thoughts in his head that give
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  Speaker 8: him hyper masculinity.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how you're equating depicting murder and
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  Speaker 1: hiding the body in a car trunk with masculinity. But again,
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  Speaker 1: that's figure out.
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  Speaker 8: What it's for, because these are signs of control and dominance.
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  Speaker 1: What more control could you have or someone than.
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  Speaker 8: Wrapping a body up and putting it in the trunk
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  Speaker 8: of a car. To me, that is the sign of
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  Speaker 8: ultimate control.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, Troy Slayton does have a good point. The video
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  Speaker 1: in itself proves nothing, and it can be argued it's
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  Speaker 1: just his art. So let's talk about hard evidence. I
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  Speaker 1: want to see the picture that some say is not Celeste,
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  Speaker 1: who happens to be according to Melissa McCarty joining us,
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  Speaker 1: star of Killer and Jeans podcast. Some are saying that's
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  Speaker 1: not her, So I guess it's somebody wearing her tube
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  Speaker 1: top and her jenes with similar hair. Can I say
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  Speaker 1: the video? I don't know how to act it out
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  Speaker 1: for you, with the same hairstyle, the same mannerisms and
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  Speaker 1: sitting in the box reserved for friends and family. This
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  Speaker 1: clip from David on TikTok.
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  Speaker 9: Photo circulating alleging Celeste was with David at his concert
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  Speaker 9: in Silver Springs, Maryland, on August twenty fourth. If true,
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  Speaker 9: these photos create a timeline from August twenty fourth until
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  Speaker 9: her dismembered, decomposing body is found in David's Tesla in
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  Speaker 9: an impound lot on September. It's reported that tesla was
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  Speaker 9: parked on the street for a month before it was
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  Speaker 9: reported abandoned on September third, in toad on September fifth.
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  Speaker 1: Way, wait, well, look answer that one. That still mean
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  Speaker 1: if you don't have thirteen year old girlfriend is found
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  Speaker 1: dismembered and decomposing in your tesla.
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  Speaker 3: Neighbors complained about a foul order coming from the tesla.
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  Speaker 1: Neighbors now reporting that Celeste Rivas had been living with
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  Speaker 1: the artist known as David. It looks like d four
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  Speaker 1: VD for a long time. So how old was she
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  Speaker 1: when she moved in with him? And what interest would
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  Speaker 1: he have in a little girl? Curious? That video we
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  Speaker 1: just showed you is him with her. That's her in life.
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  Speaker 1: She's dead, found decomposing in his Tesla trunk. I want
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  Speaker 1: to show you another video that we dug up. Take
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  Speaker 1: a look at this. The words I got time to
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  Speaker 1: kill you got time to fill. We got blood to
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  Speaker 1: spill all over the new car seats that I'm sleeping on. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let that sink in just for a moment. You got
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  Speaker 1: time to feel. We got blood to spill all over
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  Speaker 1: the new car seats that I'm sleeping on. She's dead.
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious. Straight out to Tammy Ballard joining US DNA
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  Speaker 1: crime scene consultant, crime scene Investigation and Reconstruction, former DNA
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  Speaker 1: criminalist in the San Diego p D crime lab. Never
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  Speaker 1: a lack of business there, Tammy Ballard, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Explain to me, I know all the
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  Speaker 1: focus is on the trunk of that car, where her
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  Speaker 1: body was not only decomposing, but dismembered. Tell me there's
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  Speaker 1: not going to be a tertiary crime saying such as
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  Speaker 1: where her body was dismembered. That said, all the focus
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  Speaker 1: is on the trunk. What about the rest of the car.
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  Speaker 1: What about the seats of the car? He sings about
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  Speaker 1: blood on the car seats? How do you process a
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  Speaker 1: sail like this? How long will it take? Tammy Ballard?
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  Speaker 5: The rest of the vehicle is fair game. You are
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  Speaker 5: going to need to be looking up and you're going
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  Speaker 5: to need to be looking under You always want to
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  Speaker 5: see what's.
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  Speaker 1: On the ceiling of the vehicle.
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  Speaker 5: You want to see has whipped through possible seats because
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the cleaning that gets done doesn't actually
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  Speaker 5: get rid of any of the blood if this truly
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  Speaker 5: is the crime scene. So a lot of the issues
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  Speaker 5: are going to be where do we find the blood
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  Speaker 5: and making sure you don't miss the blood, so literally
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  Speaker 5: pulling those seats out, cutting through that material and making
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  Speaker 5: sure that there is not blood stature through onto that film,
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  Speaker 5: which is definitely some of my.
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  Speaker 1: Cases crime stories with Nancy Grace, Timmy Ballard, you just
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  Speaker 1: brought up a really interesting point and I hope LAPD
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  Speaker 1: criminologists are hearing what you're saying. It's reminding me of
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  Speaker 1: the murder of a little boy and when you look
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  Speaker 1: in his room, you don't see anything. You see no
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  Speaker 1: evidence of a crime at all. When criminologists ripped up
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  Speaker 1: the carpet, on that carpet liner that goes under your
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  Speaker 1: carpet between the cement or the hardwood floor and the
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  Speaker 1: actual carpet, there's a map, there's like a filler right there.
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  Speaker 1: It was soaked, soaked with the little boy's blood. But
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  Speaker 1: you couldn't see it. So you're saying, Timmy Ballard, which
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  Speaker 1: mini people have not discussed this, You're saying the seats
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  Speaker 1: have to be ripped open to see if blood has
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  Speaker 1: soaked down into the foam under the car seat cover.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying exactly?
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  Speaker 5: And I have worked those carpets from residents as well.
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  Speaker 5: That Liz A. Sullivan case in San Diego is a
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  Speaker 5: big one. It actually had saturation stains all the way
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  Speaker 5: through to the wood subfloor. And that's because you have
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  Speaker 5: that wicking material just like you would have in the
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  Speaker 5: foam seating of a vehicle, and if you try to
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  Speaker 5: clean that stay with a carpet cleaner or some sort
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  Speaker 5: of cleaning agent on top of a car seat, that
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  Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily get rid of that blood. And usually bad
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  Speaker 5: today with a case like this, there's probably going to
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  Speaker 5: be a lot of blood. They're going to assume that
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  Speaker 5: they've been able to clean that up if they were
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  Speaker 5: still using the vehicle or the residence, and it's but
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: you can't get rid of it once it.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Gets through that surface.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: So hoping that they do a very thorough job and
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: just absolutely tear that vehicle apart and tear his residents apart.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Tammy Ballard, I assume that you send your car and
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: get its oil change right at an oil change station,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: not you sliding under it in your garage, but where
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: they jack it up and then they go under it
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and work or repairing. That's what has to be done here.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: We just investigated the case of missing mom Nikki Cheng
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and her bloody sheets were found in the trunk of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: her truck. But when the car was jacked up and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: they looked under it, blood in mass quantity had leaked
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: down into the underworkings of the car. Changing all not
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: a good example. You don't need to necessarily get under
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the car for that car repair. They're going to have
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to jack this car up to say if blood has
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: soaked down, how does that work?
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: They're going to have to put it up on They
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: have should have the equipment available, especially with LA, to
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: put those up on jacks where you can actually get
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: a very thorough nowsip under the vehicle. But I would
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: say the undercar vehicle. But I would also stress that
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: this is probably if it's the crime scene.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: The primary crime scene, it's going to be.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Most likely contained within that vehicle with all of those
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: materials that can actually soak up blood. I've had a
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: case where a woman would stabbed ninety one times in
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: the passenger seat, very very thorough cleaning by the perpetrator.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: But you're obviously going to miss something. There's good thing
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: is that most people can't effectively clean up a crime
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: scene to absolutely get rid of everything. So I would
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: be willing to bet there's some decent evidence within that.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: In this one. Tammy Ballard, I think that's quite the understatement.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Because the killer left the body in the trunk. I
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: don't think there was an extensive cleanup at all, And
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: curious before I move on to the next topic, tammy
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Ballard just said you have to look up and down.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Dan would be cutting open the seats and looking at
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the foam under the seat cover and the undercarriage of
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the car. But up you said, you have to look
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: at the top of the car and the dome. Explain why,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and you're right, of course.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: I think most people forget. I shouldn't say most people forget.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: I would hope that most people would be in this
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: field would remember to always look up. You need to
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: look at the feeling of that vehicle. If that's where
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: that crime scene occurs, you need to look behind the
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: you know, the mirrors, everything, just to see if there's
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: any potential blood spatter evidence that's present that could easily
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: get overlooked if you're not very, very thorough and looking
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: at the entirety of the inside of that vehicle.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: We learned that overnight the musician known as David flees
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: his three plus million dollar mansi and he was paying
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars a month and breaks a lease, so
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: getting out of that mansion was more important to him
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: than losing a lot of money.
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: Burke was living in a home leased by his manager,
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: Josh Marshall, but since police served a search warrant looking
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: for blood at the residence, the singer decided not to
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: live in the twenty thousand dollars a month home. The owner,
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: Laden Tryfuonoevic says Marshall signed the lease in February and
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: he didn't know Burke was living in the house. After
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: the raid, Tryffuonevick says, they didn't want to live there
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: anymore and are breaking the lease. The home was previously
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: owned by halle Berry.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: You're not seeing really good shot of it. At the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: beautiful side of the front. Oh, by the way, these
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: shots are from our friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Take a look at this. So he leaves and breaks
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: a lease. Coincidentally, Melissa McCarty joining US investigative reporter and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: host of Killer Jean's podcast. He breaks the lease to
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the tune of tens of thousands of dollars. He may
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: have had to pay out the lease. I don't know
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: how many years it went, twenty thousand a month for
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: how long, how many months? How many years? He breaks
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the lease and flees in the middle of the night.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Tell me about the search of that mansion that just
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: went down, the mansion that once belonged to halle Berry.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Well, police officers are looking for anything to help build
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a case at this point. So they're looking for traces
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: of blood throughout the property. They're also collecting all kinds
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: of electronics because they also.
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: A huge issue here.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: They need to prove the extent of this relationship that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: he had with this child, you know, So they're looking
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: at communications, so when the met, what age was she
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: when they connected, So anything that could help them build
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: a physical and digital forensic pathway.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: You know, very curious to Moses Castillo joining us former
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: LAPD detective supervising detective. How do you go about placing
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the time she started living there? According to neighbors, it
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: was a long time ago. She went missing at age thirteen.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Some allegations the relationship started much longer than before she
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: was thirteen, much longer before now.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: One of the things they'll do is they're going to
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: analyze all the digital evidence, cell phone records of south
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Side locations, any interviews with people close to the family,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: close to her friends, interviewing students from her classroom. All
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: those are going to be very important to conduct in
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: a very thorough manner.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Troy Slayton joining US, a veteran defense attorney out of
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: this jurisdiction, La Troy, I guess you're going to tell
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: me that it means nothing that he fled the home
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: they shared, So I guess he never thought she was
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: going to walk back in the front door.
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: Well, you said that he broke his lease.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: I think that the reporting is that his manager actually
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: is the one who signed the lease, is the one
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: who is legally responsible for the twenty thousand dollars a
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: month lease payment. It was not the artist known as David,
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: And I would think that after the police conduct a
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: raid at a home and remove all types of evidence.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't want to be there either, So I think
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: that seems perfectly reasonable.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: So you don't think there's any chance that celest was
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: actually killed there by the way this video from our
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: friends at Fox eleven.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, she certainly could have been. And I think that
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of video. We live in the digital
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: age where everyone has a ring camera, everyone in that
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: neighborhood has advanced security systems and CCTV. The police are
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: going to be coming through everything. If a body was
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: dragged out of that house, we're going to eventually have
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: video event, either video from the house security footage itself,
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: or by a neighbor, or by the tesla which also
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: has about six cameras all around.
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: It that are recording at various times.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: In the night. The musician known as David it looks
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: like d four VD flees his home, his mansion in
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: upscale Hollywood heels after it was searched and processed for
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: fingerprints and blood. His little girlfriend who took up with
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: him that we know of around thirteen years old, has
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: been found dead in his Tesla trunk tonight. No arrest
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: This brings to mind another little girl whose caseign investigator
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Her name was Miranda Corsette. Now here is home video.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: It's surveillance video of Miranda. There, she's to the right,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: She's walking around in the alleged killer's front yard, and
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: then we see her walking back into the home. This
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: little teen girl was tortured, brutalized and murdered. She was
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: seen by neighbors in the home completely naked, crying in
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the corner. Now, Miranda Corsette is seen walking into the home,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: but not much after that, she is seen being carried
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: out of the home and placed in the killer's car trunk.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Keep watching. It's like he doesn't even care if the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: neighbors are watching, much less their security cams going the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: whole time. Yeah, he puts little more in the trunk,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: slams it shut, and then wipes his hand like okay,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: task accomplished. My only question is is video going to
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: emerge in the current case of a little teen girl
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: found dead in a trunk. I'm referring, of course, to
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Celeste Rivas joining me in Alstar Pound to make sense
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of what we are learning, and I'd like to see
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: now the photos taken by TMZ our friend Harvey Levin
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: that show the outside of the home. As you see
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the red errors arrows are pointing at what we believe
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to see home video. Take a listen to this.
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: Police are scouring the area around the home where the
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: tesla with the dismembered and decomposing body in the trunk
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: was parked before being told, and they are looking for video.
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: The rental home has security camera's position at all entry
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: points in the backyard and on the street, so people
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: can't go in or out of the house without being recorded.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Straight out to Moses Caristillo joining us former supervising Detective Lapd,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I want to hear your take on that. What you
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: would make of it if any of that video had
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: been deleted, if that's true, and how that video, especially
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: if it's up in the cloud, how is that video
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: recaptured and used?
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, Ntsie, what they're going to do is a very
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: thorough search of this location from top to bottom. Head
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: information I have is that the prosecution teams are already
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: on board with the elite team of detectives at Robert
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Homeside Division, So that tells me that they're being very down.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Slow down, slow down. The train because my follow up
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: question to you is going to be why is this
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: being investigated by robbery at LAPD. This is not about
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: a robbery, this is about a homicide. But you're telling
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: me an assistant district attorney has already been assigned to
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the case.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, So, Robbery Homside Division is the elite team of
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: detectives that investigate not only robberies, but homicides as well,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: especially those complex murder investigations. And I have information that
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: a signed prosecutor is already on board with this team
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: of detectives. And that's awesome because it get to see
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: things real time now playing catch up at a later time.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the fact that
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you're saying LAPD robbery homicide. Much has been made online
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: that LAPD Robbery is investigating the case, but you're saying
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: it's one of the same robbery homicide.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's actually a named Robbery Homside Division is the
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: name of the division. It's a specialized unit that the
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: best of the best of detectives are assigned to this
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: unit and the investiation get to know.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Because Castillo, I want to just put out that fire
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: right now for our online sluice don't stop sleuthing, keep sleuthing,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: but let me take you off that particular avenue of inquiry. So, Moses,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: you're saying that all of this cam video is being amassed,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and if this girl was carried out or walked out
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: of that mansion at any time leading up to the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: discovery of her in the musician known as Davids Tesla trunk,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: We're going to get it. And that includes next door neighbors, neighbors,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: across the street, you name it. And think about this, Castillo,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: what about cam video of who is moving that car
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: from place to place to place in Hollywood Hills and
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: who put it there to start with, because whoever did
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: that is somebody I want to talk to.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Castillo absolutely, And you know what, the Teslas recorded video
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: all the time, so I'm sure they're going to look
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: at that as well. And yes, every bit of digital
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: evidence will be examined. I'm thoroughly investigated by these detectives
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: who are dedicated to uncover the truth ultimately getting justice.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: For Celesti crime stories with Nancy Grace another issue on
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Missus Cristillo. Our online sleuths had been working twenty four
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: to seven on this and they were concerned this had
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: not been set in homicide because there was not a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: CD or any evidence that Celeste had been murdered. Let
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: me throw that to doctor Kendall Crown. So what would
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: be the alternative that she crawls into the trunk and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: has a heart attack? Of course she was murdered.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: H yes, I mean, nobody's going to go into a
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: trunk and then shut themselves in willingly that it's obviously
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: a homicide. We just have to figure out what. And
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: I think there is some mention that I've seen that
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: she was possibly dismembered, which is obviously not something that
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: would occur naturally.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: And another thing, Doctor Kendle Crown, speaking of partial dismemberment
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of this little girl. I got to follow up with
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: a shrink on that. But doctor Kendall crowns, you can
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: tell so much from the tool markings on the body
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: when someone has been dismembered. And since a body is
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: dismembered with of course some sort of cutting utensil like
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a knife, does that lead you to believe her cood
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: may have been stabbing or statistically it would be some
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: sort of a strangulation or asphyxiation. Explain that's correct.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: More likely than not, it's a strangulation that followed up
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: by them cutting her up.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Is there any way that normal decomp which of course
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: is not normal to decompose in a car trunk, So
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: right off the bat, that question as a non sequatory
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: does not follow. But can normal decomposition in any way
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: resemble partial dismemberment?
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Well, if you get like animals scavenging involved, yes, the
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: limbs can be pulled away from the body by animals,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: but usually in normal decomposition, which individuals and.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: We always have nothing to do with this. Can we
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: stick to the facts, please, doctor Crowns.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Certainly so. She's laying in a trunk where animals can't
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: get to her. Your limbs are not going to look
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: like they've been dismembered. If you get to the point
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: of skeletonization, yes your bones will fall apart, but you
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: won't look like you've been dismembered.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: There is a clear difference when a body decomposes naturally
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: as opposed to when the body has been dismembered. You
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: see tool marks, or you see bones out of place,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: there's nothing close to they don't fit together. One will
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: not be mistaken for the other. Is that fair to say?
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, that is fair to say.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Now comes the story of two Celeste.
• 37:47
  Speaker 10: A video called two Celeste is gaining attention after being
• 37:50
  Speaker 10: shared on Eggs by Josh our Post with a caption
• 37:54
  Speaker 10: that reads, quote David, why are there two Celeste?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: The clip features the user.
• 38:00
  Speaker 10: Claiming Celeste has two faces, one being a Celeste Revas
• 38:04
  Speaker 10: Hernandez and another Celeste Herrera, who interacts with Burke on
• 38:08
  Speaker 10: social media. The claim is that Burke was obsessed with
• 38:11
  Speaker 10: Celeste and something terrible happened and he can't be with her,
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: so he's trying to replace her with a look alike.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: To Melissa McCarty, investciad reporter has Stop Killer Jeans podcast
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: and author of the Making of a Crime Reporter. Again, Melissa,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: thanks for being with us tonight. What can you tell
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: me about the existence of two Celestes?
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: This is fascinating and again one of those Internet sleuthing
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: phenomenons that have researched that the LAPD I'm sure is
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: trying to track down.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: You have an older.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Adult version Celeste, and then you have the minor Celeste Fernandez.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: But the most important information is we have one that
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: was found dead in the trunk of his vehicle and another.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: You really have to investigate the extent of the relationship.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Did he actually know both of them, was he intimate
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: with either of them? How did he know these two?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: And who is this other person? What does she have
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: to do with the other.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Well, from what we've been told, Celeste Herrera, the twenty
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: three year old, interacts extensively with David on social media.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I'm referring to David Anthony Burke. The claim is that
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: and this would have to go to doctor Angela Arnold,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists joining us. The claim is that Burke was
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: obsessed with ten girls, Celeste and that as soon as
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: she was gone, he's trying to replace her with a lookalike.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Now is that hard evidence? No, it's not. I'm sure
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Slayton's doing a backflip right now. But what does what
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: do you make of that that a Celeste look alike
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: is his online protege.
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: As you can see with these two young girls, there's
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: a pattern in how they in how they appear. Feeling
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: that the younger girl, the younger Celeste, was much easier
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: for him to control. Jiefs now found someone that appears
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: to look much like her, and we.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: Don't know what his motives are.
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: His motives are, His motives could be directly what we're
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: doing here. When did these two you.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Know another issue? Doctra Angie. Yeah, we don't even know
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the extent of their relationship. For all I know, it's
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: just an online relationship where she interacts online. But we're
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: finding out. I want to look at the leaked lyrics
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: of Burke's song Celeste, Oh Celeste, the girl with my
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: name tattooed on her chest, smell her on my clothes
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: like cigarettes. I hear her voice each time I take
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: in breath. I'm obsessed, Oh Celeste. Now remember thirteen at
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the time they started their relationship. Oh Celeste, afraid you'll
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: only love me when undressed, But you look so damn
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: gorgeous in that dress. Missing you so much makes me depressed,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: But I digress because I love you so much. Okay,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Chroice Layton, Yeah, he's not obsessed, is he? Again?
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: This is art, Nancy. You can't convict somebody based on art,
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: and we keep mentioning that she was thirteen. Now, I
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: know that this is not a legal defense, and it
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: wouldn't provide a legal defense in court, But how do
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: we know what age she said that she was. Uh,
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: there's been some reporting that she had some fake IDs.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: I don't know of anyone that's ever dated somebody.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: It was her fair ID. I'm not saying that's all
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: those fake IDs. So she was murdering and putting that trunk.
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: Not saying that at all.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Well, if it's not a little defense, why are you
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: just saying it because we're talking about to blame her
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: with the claim that you think she might have had
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: a fake IDA?
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: Absolutely not, Nancy.
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: But what I am saying is he didn't necessarily know
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: that she was underage this whole time she was a runaway.
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  Speaker 6: He didn't necessarily know she was living with their family,
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  Speaker 6: or that she was missing. We don't know that he
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  Speaker 6: knew any of this. You were bringing up modus apparandi,
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  Speaker 6: what you do knowledge? That doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Every statutory rapist I've ever met said I thought she
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  Speaker 1: was a How is this any different?
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  Speaker 6: We've all heard that, Nancy, of course. But what I'm
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  Speaker 6: saying is this just goes to his potential state of mind.
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  Speaker 6: And that's why it's important.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, important to you, not to me. She's dead
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  Speaker 1: and I want to know who did it, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to remind everyone that the music known as David,
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  Speaker 1: his real name is David Anthony Burke's innocent. He stands
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  Speaker 1: innocent tonight. He will not be guilty unless he has
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  Speaker 1: been charged and proven guilty in a court of law
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  Speaker 1: by a jury of his peers. If you know or
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  Speaker 1: think you know anything about the disappearance and death of
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  Speaker 1: this little girl, Celeste, please dial two one three four
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  Speaker 1: eight six six' eight nine. Zero you can remain anonymous
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  Speaker 1: two one three four eight six six' eight. Nine zero
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  Speaker 1: and now we Remember an American Hero, Firefighter Paramedic Stephen,
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  Speaker 1: scott HOUSTON. P d killed in the line, of duty
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  Speaker 1: served l e, Thirty years survived by grieving wife and.
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  Speaker 1: Three Children american Hero Firefe Fighter Paramedic Stephen Scott nancy
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  Speaker 1: grace signing off goodbye FRIEND.
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