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Chris Williamson doesn't understand feminism | Rantzerker 190 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Coming to you live from deep within an icy, windy and slippery, radioactive
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  wasteland. We are the survivors that they all right, apocalypse once more,
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  wading into battle against the froggy lobster lobstery zombie hordes with rant Zurker number one
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  ninety oh the Few, the Berry of the Bitchy. Sorry I missed that
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  line, but I always miss something, don't I. Oh my god.
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  have spikes that will ruin the floor. Maybe we will get your weather in
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  a day or so and it'll get a little warmer here. Probably not what
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  happened. Possibly, No, Yeah, usually it gets cold by the time
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  it hits us. All right, so we this is rant Zuker number one
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  ninety. Chris Williamson doesn't understand feminism. I think I got his name right,
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  Williamson, not Williamson. And yeah, that's that's sort of what we're
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  going to be talking about, this individual, Chris Williams and his inability to
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  understand feminism. Well there we The thing says, is feminism changing for the
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  worst? Well, yeah, Brian Kaplan is the interviewee and Chris Williamson is
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  the interviewer. So Brian Kaplan wrote a book for his daughter, and the
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  book is essentially like asking her not to, you know, like embrace feminism
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  and explain why he didn't want So he's he's all right, I mean I
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  haven't watched the whole thing, but Brian kaplan is all right, So I
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  will say that much. Chris Williamson, he's doing this. You know,
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  I like him overall his content, but he is a bit, in my
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  opinion, unwilling to face the truth, and so he's dancing around it,
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  you know, like he's kind of like you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
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  he's doing the misdiagnosis of the problem. Yeah, but also polyporn and
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  a band aid on that skin cancer you got, You'll be good to go.
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  Yeah, it is kind of like that, but we can get into
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  that. I don't want to respond to what you haven't heard. You get
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  into the video, so I make a promise that we will look at the
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  video and then respond to it. Yeah, we should probably do some of
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  that. So we should do some of that, some of that, some
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  some of it, not a lot, but a bit more than what we've
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  been doing. Did you did? Okay, So let's let's let you go
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  ahead and do the things, and then I will change the channel and set
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  it up and we have a super chow too. Since this always derails,
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  why don't we why don't we watch a little bit, just a little bit,
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  just a tip, just just we'll just just the tip, just the
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  tip, just the tip, okay, of one of one of these.
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  Okay, all right, so choose your favorite Brian, and let's watch like
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  a little well well okay, I mean okay, see did you see any
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  of those that I say? Okay, let's start with the beginning, I
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  guess, because it's a good way to jump into the topic. So here
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  I'm gonna play it. Now, get ready, here we go. What
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  is feminism in your opinion? Great question. I don't try to stay quiet.
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  I know, I know. Let me let me play some of this.
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  I want to say what it is in my opinion, And what I
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  want to say rather is how do we actually use the word. Anyone can
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  just make up a new definition. What I really wanted to think about was
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  let's listen to other people and see what definition fits actual usage. And the
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  definition that I offer is this one. Feminism is the view that our society
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  generally treats men more fairly than women. Feminism is the view that our society
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  generally treats men more fairly than women. If you look at official definitions,
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  they will say things like it's just the view that men and women should be
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  treated equally. What I point out in my essays, we got public opinion
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  data where we asked a whole lot of people, and guess what, Almost
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  everyone who says they're not a feminist still thinks that men and women should be
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  treated equally, So that cannot possibly be the actual definition. It's more of
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  an argumentative definition. It's a prescriptive definition. It's a prescription. It's a
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  description that, you know, women are not treated as fairly as men,
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  and I agree with him there, and everybody basically agrees that men and women
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  should be treated with the same amount of fairness. I don't know whether they
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  would agree that that men and women should be treated equally, but because we
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  if we treated women the way we treat men, everybody would be like freaking
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  out about how badly we were treating women. But the whole idea of equal
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  fairness, right, you know, at least in terms of the positive things,
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  right, the positive the benefits of society and all of that, right,
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  everybody tends to agree that we should treat women not properly. I guess
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  we should treat them like human beings, right, you know? So,
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  I mean, like the whole idea feminism is the radical notion that women are
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  human beings. No, No, it's not. It's feminism is the radical
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  notion that women are superior and inferior at the same time, superior in what
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  they deserve and inferior in what they have to do to get that, inferior
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  in their ability to get it. Yeah, get it for themselves, get
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  it for themselves. Yeah, so superior and what they deserve. In other
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  words, what women deserves is always superior to what men deserves, and women's
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  ability to get what they deserve is always inferior to women's ability to get or
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  to get what they want is inferior to men's ability to get what they want.
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  Because we all know men want to be the majority. Actually, you
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  know, honestly, I think that's true. Men do want to be the
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  majority of the war death. They do want to be the majority of the
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  people dying in in the workplace and in war. And they want that because
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  they don't want it for women. Yeah, so it's it. But it's
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  I mean, like I I don't disagree with this guy, you know,
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  sort of in the broad stroke, like you know, we can we can
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  discuss definitions of fair and how our definition of fair is differs whether we're talking
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  about men or women. But yeah, no, feminism is basically, and
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  I'll give Nick nick reading credit for this, is that feminism is the notion.
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  It's the belief that all throughout history, women have gotten the short end
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  of the stick. Right. And my position has always been that in some
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  cultures, at some points in history, women have had shorter sticks, but
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  they've had more of their stick than men did. Yeah, of theirs,
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  right, just like men and women just had different sticks. Men had a
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  longer stick and got less of it. Women had a shorter stick and got
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  more of it. M Well, I mean technically a longer stick would be
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  more stick. Maybe they got more short sticks. No, no, oh
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  no, they got a longer stick. The stick is the burden, the
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  responsibility. The amount that they get is shorter. Okay. I was thinking
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  you were just gonna go with women. Okay, my husband just came in
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  here, came in here and made me mute so you could tell me something
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  very important. He pointed at his crotch and said, my stick is longer.
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  M No. But okay, when you were talking about the stick thing
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  and you're saying, well, women had a shorter stick, but more of
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  it, I was thinking, maybe it's a really thick short stick. Well,
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  not necessarily, I mean like when you're in subsistence, times like whenever,
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  times are really really bad. Women Actually they do get more of a
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  stick. It's a shorter stick, right, but they get more of it.
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  Men have a longer stick. They get less of it. And yeah,
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  it may lb that women actually have more of a stick that they have
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  their hand on than the men do. Right, but I don't give him
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  the perfunctory handy and he shuts up. Okay, there we go. There's
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  the infinite wisdom here. Yes, so I think what this just to explain.
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  I think what Brian Kaplan is doing is he's he's being very careful.
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  This is why Chris Williamson giggles because when he says, you know, what
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  is feminism? And Brian Caplan says, well, look, I'm not going
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  to give the definition that everyone else gives. I'm going to give what I
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  think it is. And then he's basing it on. He says, it
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  is the belief. So it starts off faith based, the belief that men
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  are treated more fairly than women, and that and that and that for him
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  is the only logical you know definition that that you but the but that doesn't
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  mean that he's saying it's true, right, he's saying it is. No,
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  no, no, yeah, no it is. It is a belief.
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  And I would agree. I would totally agree with his definitions as a
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  working definition, as the functional definition of of feminism, I would. I
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  would say that that is That's exactly what it is. It's the belief,
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  yeah, whether true or false, that women are not treated as fairly as
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  men. And yeah, no, like this is this is what I don't
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  have. I don't take an issue with this guy so far right and but
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  yeah no, but like what we need to be doing is disabusing people of
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  that false belief because it is false, and I think he does. That's
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  kind of what his book is about. So I mean, do you want
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  me to play some more of this beginning bit or no? No, I
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  wanted to add something to that. We don't have to actually falsify feminism,
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  because if feminism is a scientific statement, feminists should stay to us. How
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  you falsify feminism, they should stay. Sure, we should, Okay,
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  Alison, they're not going to do that. Oh, I know, nobody's
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  going to require it of them. We don't have to, like, they're
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  never going to disavow the thing that makes us them money. Yeah, and
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  they're never gonna even if all the feminists in the world all I know,
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  I know it, Okay, women are being treated fairly. Now, they
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  just set their thermostats a little differently and we'd be back to where we are.
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  Yeah. Well, that's why they find ever more small grievances, ever
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  more pathetic and minor grievances, and you know, grievances. But my overall
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  point in this and I know that feminists will never accept that. If they're
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  going to assert their allegations as legitimate scientific observations, they should have told the
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  world how feminism is falsified. They should already know, they should already have
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  the criteria by which feminism is falsified. And of course, since it's and
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  the reason why they use this weird sort of mot and Bailey like, oh
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  no, feminism is the belief in the equality between men and women. But
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  then they also have this caveat, which is what he's talking about, which
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  is how they really use the term, which is the belief that men women
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  are always treated unfairly relative to men, like always, and if you disagree,
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  you say no, you have to actually prove that, then you're a
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  misogynist who doesn't care about equality between men and women. If you ever measure
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  the why in the X equals why the X, it's the ex is greater
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  than why? When when X is women's suffering and why is men suffering?
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  You ever measure the why? You're not interested in the equation of equality because
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  you're not interested, you know, yeah, no, Like I keep I
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  keep using your example that you used on Twitter, and and I just I
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  use it and I always credit you. My friend Alice, and she,
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  you know, she's like, well, uh, someone says X is greater
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  than why X being women's suffering? Why being men suffering? Right? And
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  she says, well, have you measured X? And they always come back
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  and say, well, I've measured why? No, have you measured you?
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  Have you have you measured why? Oh, yeah, measure have you
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  measured why? Yes, I've measured X. And and then then they're like
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  never, well, okay, they never How do you know that one is
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  greater than the other if you haven't measured them both exactly exactly. So essentially,
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  what we're dealing with is a group of people that say we're about creating
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  equality between men and women. They do not explicitly own the fact that they
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  have an unfalsifiable belief because they have never stated how it's falsified that men are
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  always benefited over women, women are always unfairly treated relative to men. And
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  when you confront them about this and you say, okay, so you're saying
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  that women are worse treated than men. Have you measured the situation for men?
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  They accuse you of not being interested in equality. Yeah, because they
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  accuse you of not being interested in equality for women, and you're a misogynist
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  and all of this stuff such a bunch of crap. Like it is.
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  It is a corruption of thought. It's not even a lie. Corruption of
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  thought. It's like where thought goes to die. Yeah, all right,
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  all right, I got a super chow. I want to read it.
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  This was like right before the show by Vexorum. The vein gives us five
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  dollars and says, I am heated and struck, then shaped and cooled.
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  I am bound by rings to release that which is stored? What am I?
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  Oh? Oh, he's taking this literally, you know. When I
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  say, yeah, well here you are you put it out there? Oh
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  no, the actually spurged when you asked them to stir. All right,
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  hold on, I am heated and struck, then shaped and cooled. I
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  am bound by rings to release that which is stored. What am I m?
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  Well, marriage a wedding ring? Well, no, I am bound
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  by rings to release that which is stored, heated and struck, then shaped
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  and cooled. Okay, well, coils, I mean I read it,
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  so that's all I'm supposed to do. I didn't. I guess, I
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  guess you did. Some guesses. A turbine, A turbine, a spring
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  release what's stored? Oh yeah, no, I know a spring would a
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  spring? Would you release what stored? Releases energy? Heated and struck.
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  You would have to heat the metal and strike it and then shape it and
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  cool and then it releases the energey. I suspected. I'm not right,
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  but whatever, Okay, thank you. Okay, I feel like dog.
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  It's definitely not a dog. She's releasing the energy of barking, working,
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  working, Okay. Kevin is the one. Kevin is the one who's just
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  sitting quietly at the window, not freaking out by the person that's the one
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  that's like, He's like, why isn't anyone like why isn't anyone joining me
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  in the fort want to get Brian. Let's pray some more, okay,
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  like newspaper truth. And then if someone disagrees with you, say, oh
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  you're against truth, right, Okay, So it's a what I'm agreeing with
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  the dude like, yeah, this is like twenty years that I've experienced this
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  crap. Yeah, yes, right, I understand why you're not a fan
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  of it. You wrote a book for your ten year old daughter, cold,
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  don't be a feminist? That is correct. Stop Chris, Chris,
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  are you blonde? Because you're acting really blonde? He just didn't. I
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  think he's uh again, he's just trying to let give this guy all the
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  rope. I think partly I think it's a it's a legitimate interview because you
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  know that there's probably people in the comments that are like, is he about
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  to criticize my God? And so he has to be very careful. And
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  I think I think this is what keeps Chris Leaves for me demonetized. To
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  Kevin, did you hear that Pearl got demonetized? Yeah? Yeah, well
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  ah it is what it is. Mm hmmm. I just demonetized. I
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  just like preemptively demonetized my entire channel. Yeah, because I was like,
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  I don't need anybody scrutinizing anything for advertise or friendliness, right only to like
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  determine that, uh you know, I don't need any powers that be reviewing
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  my videos. I think we get in about like five dollars of advertising revenue
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  a month from YouTube. Thanks YouTube. Yeah, well it's my hard work.
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  But that's okay because I don't want you too, because I don't want
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  to end up on the YouTube treadmill. Well the only the only, Well
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  what you you get five dollars a month from advertising, You get more from
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  super chats. But I just don't. I just don't put out content anymore.
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  Really, I could. I could probably still be collecting a few hundred
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  dollars a month if there were ads running on all my videos. Your your
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  your content definitely has legs. But but but it's not worth the risk of
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  my channel being taken down. Yeah, exactly exactly. You can't really rub
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  against the sacred cows of this society. But I did want to say to
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  Yeah, feed the Badger dot com slash just the tip, all right,
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  some more. I mean, honestly, it just comes down to the
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  empirics. Is it really true that our society generally treats men more fairly than
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  women? What I did, and that essays just go over all of the
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  main complaints that people have to this effect and try to see does the evidence
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  really hold up. I begin by saying, Look, you can't just say
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  that someone's treated unfairly because the performance is unequal by that standard. I've been
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  treated unfairly by the Olympics because I don't have any metals. What you really
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  need to do is to go and compare someone's performance to the treatment of some
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  of the treatment they've gotten to the performance. Here's an economist. The natural
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  thing to start with is with earnings and career success. There's been a lot
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  of work on this and the sight. I'm gonna jump ahead to another bit,
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  but I like. I like what he has to say so far.
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  That's what we've been doing, you know, Yeah, to add something else.
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  Okay, this is what feminists should have done from the beginning. Well,
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  he's saying, the null hypothesis is that men are not women are not
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  treated unfairly relative. Yes, feminists should have already gone through the steps of
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  dealing with this. Oh yeah, no, of course they should have tried
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  to debunk their own hypothesis. And I'm not like you. Why is Chris
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  grinning there? Oh? I mean, I don't know. It's just where
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  I paused it, that's all. It's just where let's not right not to
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  get into his head. We don't know what's going on. Okay, so
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  let me play the next bit. I think very good. And by the
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  way, just what I'm doing is what I think everyone should be doing on
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  these issues, which is not just going and saying I have a philosophy and
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  it applies in all cases. It's like, let's think about the individual facts
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  of the individual cases, and maybe your theory will work eight times out of
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  ten. Someone who thinks the theory works a thousand times out of a thousand,
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  It's like, yeah, that doesn't sound like anything that happens to any
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  actual theory about human behavior. It's more like someone who's so dogmatic and fanatical
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  and their sense of their own omnissions that all facts get twisted to fit the
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  theory. Okay, I think that there are some things you can generalize about
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  human behavior or but he's right, there's so many confounds. Yes, however,
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  I will hold to my universalizing theory, which is that civilizations live and
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  die by the relationship between the sexes. Yeah. Well, my grand unifying
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  theory is that I can't really boil it down to like a single sentence,
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  but basically that we we tend to whenever we can afford to, we tend
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  to protect and provide for women as much as humanly possible. And who does
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  that? Not just men? Adolescent boys too? Mm hm. So it's
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  it basically is as much as we can afford to give women, we give
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  women. Yeah, I would act, I would add that My universalizing theory
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  is also this, men and women never escape each other. Well how could
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  they? I mean, I suppose they could. Oppression the word cannot apply
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  between the relationship between men and women. Do you remember it either way?
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  Do you remember there was that There was that like it was like a matriarchal
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  commune in Brazil or something like that. It was like years ago, right,
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  and so these women, these feminist women in Brazil all went out and
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  started some kind of farmstead or something like that, right and uh. And
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  after a couple of years, they they were like desperate for men because they
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  couldn't do they couldn't do all the work themselves. They weren't physically up to
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  the job. Mmm. So they were desperate for men. They were putting
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  out ads and stuff and this was what Okay, it was like some kind
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  of lesbian separatists commune in Brazil or something like that, might have been Columbia
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  or Peru or something. Yeah, they're a joke. All lesbian separatists are
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  absolutely one percent utter joke, no change attire in their life. Yeah,
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  well, not only is their entire philosophy a joke. I've talked to them,
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  I've said, okay, and honestly, I actually really do not like
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  lesbian separatists much at all. I find them worse than communists. I'm gonna
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  be I'm gonna be on this here because at least, at least my experience
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  with communists is like, well, you know, I think you've got to
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  figure out a way to remunerate people for their labor. Otherwise, what you're
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  doing is construct reconstructing slavery. And they're usually like I disagree passionately, but
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  thank you for engaging, And I'm like, well, at least you're polite.
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  Lesbian separatists are the most obnoxiously cloyingly awful people I've ever met. Yeah,
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  oh good, And they are so worthless and stupid and they don't even
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  they don't even have any kind of like Okay, let me let me use
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  an example. One of them came came into my mentions right, they slipped
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  into my threads and they and they started talking about Valerie Selenis since the Scum
• 27:14
  Manifesto. For those of you who don't know, she was the one who
• 27:18
  said that everything should be roboticized and men should be removed from society, so
• 27:22
  robots will take over the jobs of men and men will be killed or something.
• 27:29
  And uh, and I was talking about her, and I mentioned her
• 27:33
  in response to another lesbian separatist, and I said, Okay, Valerie Selenis
• 27:37
  Is gum manifesto was published self published. I think over all it wasn't self
• 27:45
  published. Okay, what was published by a publishing house? Oh? Good
• 27:51
  lord? But ay it was published over a century now, a half a
• 27:55
  century ago. Where are the lesbian robotics initiatives? In half a century after
• 28:02
  your great idol wrote her mind coump, you still like lesbian separatists haven't even
• 28:08
  created a robotic vacuum? Yeah, no, there's They didn't even invent the
• 28:15
  rumba. No, they've done nothing. I'm guessing. Yeah, you're the
• 28:18
  most worthless revolutionaries I've ever met. Worthless. They don't even have the first
• 28:26
  steps, Like, they don't even have any kind of action plan. They
• 28:30
  just sit on their asses and dream about robotics, which men will have to
• 28:34
  make for them. No, you're gonna have to construct this perfect utopia to
• 28:40
  uh make themselves obsolete for the radical lesbian separatists. You know what's gonna happen
• 28:47
  is because it's more than men are required for labor, the radical The other
• 28:51
  thing that hit despise about radical lesbian separatists is they need men to be bad
• 28:56
  because that's how they maintain their trauma bond with each other. Yeah, you
• 29:02
  know, you know, I don't know. It was a good lesbian separatist
• 29:07
  name. I don't know. Valerie beat Susie, and as beating her,
• 29:14
  she's saying, well, if you were you were with a man, it'd
• 29:17
  be worse, worse. Pick up your teeth, Susie, I don't like
• 29:22
  him on the freaking floor, you know, and get in the bed so
• 29:26
  I can rape you with a freaking boom broom handle like that. That that
• 29:30
  whole have you ever watched? I know, I'm going really dark places here,
• 29:33
  folks, join me. You know our voyage into lesbian radical separatists.
• 29:41
  Hell, all right, do you remember that? Okay, the Venture Brothers.
• 29:45
  I don't know if you've ever seen The Venture Brothers, Karen, but
• 29:49
  has there was an episode I'm pretty sure you have, right, Brian,
• 29:52
  The Venture Brothers. Oh yeah, I'm I'm I'm almost all caught up,
• 29:56
  honestly. Okay, there's an episode where they they have the Scooby Doo gang,
• 30:03
  right, and each one of them is a serial killer, is based
• 30:08
  on a serial killer. So Fred was based I think on Todd Bundy things.
• 30:15
  Uh, Shaggy was based on the Zodiac Killer allegedly said that not the
• 30:21
  Zodiac Killer, the son of Sam. I think, yeah, the dog
• 30:26
  do it? And Scooby, Uh, Scooby was the dog that that like
• 30:30
  the satanic Yeah, yeah it was, and and it was it was.
• 30:41
  Yeah, that was what's her name, Daphne? She ended up Yeah,
• 30:45
  that was Daphne and Patty Hurst ended up getting involved with a bunch of terrorists.
• 30:51
  She was like an heiress who ended up yes, I remember home syndrome
• 30:55
  or something. And then Velma was Valerie Selenis and if Elma was portrayed as
• 31:02
  abusing the hell out of Daphne even as she's talking about how horrible the patriarchy
• 31:07
  is, and she would actually collude with Fred with Ted Bundy to abuse the
• 31:15
  crap out of or Daphne, And I'm like, that's exactly it. That
• 31:21
  is a lesbian separatist. She will talk to you about how awful the patriarchy
• 31:26
  is as she's washing your blood off her knuckles. Well, no, as
• 31:32
  she's washing the blood off of Freddy's knuckles. That too. Oh anyway,
• 31:41
  Sorry, I I know that everybody doesn't like commis, but for me,
• 31:47
  it's lesbian radicals, radical lesbian separatists. I don't have a problem with the
• 31:52
  old school lesbians, but them, Yeah, I'm not fond of them.
• 32:00
  If you're if you're a lesbian, because because you like the couch, that's
• 32:04
  fine. Yeah, well that's a that's a tradition. That's like the old
• 32:07
  school lesbians you know who used to be that's a conservative idea of a lesbian
• 32:14
  conservative. No, that's bosom friends, marriages. But that's fine, understandable,
• 32:22
  you like the couch, understandable, carry on. But uh, but
• 32:28
  yeah, they're radical because they don't really like women. They know, they
• 32:31
  don't like anyone, They don't like anyone. They just really hate men.
• 32:35
  And they don't even hate men because they don't even they always have the one
• 32:40
  psycho man that they're friends with. They don't really hate men, they just
• 32:45
  need someone to hate, so they just protect their own self hatred onto meny
• 32:52
  Kevin, all right, are we going back to the video now? Yes,
• 32:57
  it was a bit of a tangent. I apologize, God, that's
• 32:59
  all right. M let me just double check. No, no super childs
• 33:02
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  let's play the video then, thanks guys. All right, so this section
• 34:53
  is called why is feminism so popular still? Why is it the case in
• 35:00
  your opinion then that feminism is still such a pervasive cultural meme if your assessment
• 35:07
  of it is correct, which is that the lack of fairness doesn't seem to
• 35:09
  be affecting women in the way that it's proposed, right, that is a
• 35:15
  great question. I mean, your wording makes it sound sort of like feminism
• 35:19
  is on the decline, but it's still lingering where I'd say it's probably at
• 35:22
  least near its all time peak terms of what's going on. Here's my story.
• 35:28
  I think there is an actually very general human tendency to care more about
• 35:31
  female well being and especially female suffering. I don't think that this is unique
• 35:37
  to the modern world Rustern countries. I think that you can read almost anything
• 35:42
  written by human beings for almost any period and you'll see this norm. You
• 35:45
  can go and read ancient books like the Bible, and if you want to
• 35:49
  show that someone's really bad, you show them murdering women. Pretty base,
• 35:54
  Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, no, that's that's right,
• 35:58
  he said, not his or in Western countries, unique to country. Yes,
• 36:02
  No, it's a clear pill. Yeah no, this is this isn't
• 36:07
  actually a really really good way to put it. It's he's he's because you
• 36:15
  know, like when there was this LDS man who wrote to me and I
• 36:22
  put up a video basically his friend who was also Mormon, you know,
• 36:31
  was like, well, you know, feminism this, and feminism that and
• 36:35
  women's oppression and all of this stuff, right, And I'm like, yeah,
• 36:38
  but that's what everybody says. Right. Theodore Roosevelt said, Oh,
• 36:45
  those men back then and those men over there, they mistreat their women.
• 36:52
  We need to bring back the whipping post. Right. Blackstone was like,
• 36:55
  well, you know, under England's law now women an entitlement to the to
• 37:06
  the peace right, the security of the peace from their husbands. But those
• 37:12
  men back then, oh, they were really bad. And you know,
• 37:16
  and then you go all the way back and this LDS guy, his friend
• 37:22
  right said it was it was a novel idea. Jesus had a novel idea
• 37:30
  to take care of widows and children. And I was like, really,
• 37:34
  really, that was like some kind of revolutionary thought in Jesus. That didn't
• 37:42
  happen in summer. There weren't laws about it in Rome. Like what,
• 37:45
  yeah, No, It's like, no, no, that's always been the
• 37:49
  case, and men have always acquired political or in Jesus' case, socio political
• 37:59
  slash religion clout by basically saying, well, those men over there and those
• 38:05
  men back then didn't treat their women right, and we're gonna do differently.
• 38:12
  This is a revolutionary idea, right. And then in the nineteen sixties the
• 38:17
  feminists come along and say, hey, everybody, did you know that beating
• 38:22
  your wife is wrong. Yeah, we knew, we've known the whole time.
• 38:28
  Yeah, but for some reason they had you can't. It's like it's
• 38:31
  like teflon on their brains. Every single generation thinks it's the generation that invented
• 38:38
  sex and treating women, right, yeah, every single generation. You go.
• 38:45
  I just would recently watched Vertigo, but Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo, yep,
• 38:52
  and there's a scene in there where they describe how a woman was treated at
• 38:57
  this you know, like I know, seventy five years before the beginning of
• 39:00
  the movie, so seventy five years before the mid fifties, and they were
• 39:05
  describing how men were awful to their women. Then in the fifties guys,
• 39:08
  oh yeah, no, no it was. And it's like and you have
• 39:13
  the you remember the trope of the cold distant Victorian father, right, and
• 39:22
  then you go there was this researcher who went and looked at people's diaries who
• 39:27
  grew up in the Victorian era, and they had warm feelings about their fathers.
• 39:32
  Their fathers were involved, loving, cared about their sons and daughters,
• 39:38
  education, cared about their well being. There was even one story shared in
• 39:45
  one of these diaries where the dad got home from work and the mother said,
• 39:53
  you need to go beat our son, okay because he was misbehaving today.
• 40:01
  Just you wait till your dad gets home. Right. So the dad
• 40:06
  takes the sun into the bedroom, takes off his belt and says, every
• 40:14
  time I hit the bedpost, scream like and make it convincing. All right,
• 40:25
  should we keep going? Also that what I'm what I'm saying is right,
• 40:30
  these are the people who got the bad rap. Well who do they
• 40:34
  get the bad rap from? Right? Because these were mostly working class diaries
• 40:37
  that that this researcher looked at. They were getting the bad rap from the
• 40:42
  elites, yep, yep. And it's always the underclass that treats its women
• 40:47
  wrong. And every every other man that you want to you know, you
• 40:52
  want to bomb there, or the or the Muslims or the you that's what's
• 40:57
  hilarious, or the Unitarians, you know, like whatever it's it's always the
• 41:04
  other group or or the group back then they're always the ones that treat the
• 41:08
  women bad. Because that's the best way to condemn a group of people.
• 41:14
  If you want to turn them into chum, women included, that's what you
• 41:17
  do they don't treat their women right, therefore bombam all to hell. Yeah,
• 41:23
  well, or or you turn the men into chum and then you just
• 41:27
  take the women and put them in harems. Do you want to hear?
• 41:31
  I think Chris Williamson kind of pushes back a little bit, soa same thing
• 41:37
  in mythology. This is just a general human attitude that murdering men is like,
• 41:40
  well, you know, maybe had a coming, but murdering women that
• 41:45
  is something that it is just a deeply rooted feeling in human nature that is
• 41:50
  especially horrible. And what I think has happened in the modern world is that
• 41:53
  we start with these very standard human feelings that I think are indeed deeply rooted
• 41:59
  in human nature and evolution, and then it becomes a philosophy. And once
• 42:04
  you make something a philosophy, then you take an attitude which can be balancing
• 42:07
  against other attitudes or I think there's to be hypocrisy, and it doesn't get
• 42:12
  that bad as it gets implemented. But once it becomes a philosophy, then
• 42:15
  there's a demand for consistency. And once there's a band for consistency, then
• 42:20
  you start overruling everything else that actually comes down on the other side, and
• 42:23
  also treating doubt and questions as sin, and that is I think what really
• 42:30
  explains the success of feminism is that it codifies human feelings that have always been
• 42:35
  around, but nevertheless have been held inconsistently and hypocritically before which my view is
• 42:42
  given that the philosophy is wrong. Hypocrisy and inconsistency is an improvement over consistency
• 42:47
  and single minded devotion. Whoa, he just said that it's wrong to actually,
• 42:55
  Oh god, Chris is probably he looks like he's about to lay a
• 43:00
  fucking egg there. Hypocrisy. He's actually saying it's wrong to put women first.
• 43:07
  Wow, that's that's impressive. Yeah, watch this man choke on that
• 43:15
  get big for me, sir. Not bad, It's not bad. Yeah,
• 43:20
  it's an interesting point. I certainly agree. Based on all of the
• 43:22
  data that I've seen, plus just my intuitive sense of myself, people seem
• 43:27
  to have an awful lot more sympathy for women falling behind, despite the fact
• 43:31
  that men on average seem to be falling further behind it. There's studies that
• 43:35
  have been done. People will donate. Okay, is this a situation where
• 43:40
  he's going to be like, yeah, you're absolutely right. But I'm just
• 43:45
  gonna now forget or now ignore that and dance. It's not a debate.
• 43:52
  But I think that, yeah, I think he's he's agreeing with with this
• 43:57
  guy in terms of uh, like, your intuition seems correct, and it
• 44:02
  absolutely is. And so we we worry about women who fall falling behind when
• 44:08
  it's actually men who are falling behind more. You know, like all of
• 44:14
  this, like it, all of this is the empirical evidence of what Allison
• 44:22
  and I and and you, Brian and and this Kaplan guy, right,
• 44:28
  what we believe. Right, there's empirical evidence supporting evidence all around us everywhere.
• 44:37
  You know, one out of every four homeless people is a woman.
• 44:43
  Okay, who are the other three? Because they're not babies, they're not
• 44:52
  find out what their pronouns are, they might be more women. I remember
• 44:57
  coming like when I went to when I was going to university for my master's
• 45:02
  and environmental design. I remember that there was a a presentation or like a
• 45:09
  display about homelessness in Calgary and they were trying to advertise in part, this
• 45:16
  initiative to give like Home. They essentially the basis of the initiative was the
• 45:22
  belief that homeless women suffer more from poverty than homeless men. Therefore, the
• 45:30
  getting giving them the basics that homeless men get. So for example, homeless
• 45:36
  men would get shelter sometimes and also you know, hygiene products and and food.
• 45:42
  Giving them just what homeless men get is not in is actually giving homeless
• 45:51
  women less than homeless men. Because homeless women also need to have bond bonds,
• 45:59
  they need to have on silk hair caps, they need to have proper
• 46:02
  shampoos to clean themselves, and all of this other stuff they need self care
• 46:09
  uh luxuries, and those self care luxuries, you are actually treating them worse
• 46:19
  than homeless men. And I'm like that logic seems flawed somehow, Yeah,
• 46:23
  just a little. Well, we should listen to what Chris Williams way more
• 46:30
  if they find out that it's an all women's shelter than if it's an all
• 46:32
  men's shelter. Women are wonderful effect. Yes, Uh, new stories that
• 46:39
  proclaim the successes of women seem to be treated more favorably the ones that proclaim
• 46:45
  the successes of men. As this gamma bias that doctor John Barry is identified,
• 46:50
  which you may be familiar with. I mean, when are there ever
• 46:52
  stories about successful men, unless it's like a homeless guy getting a job.
• 46:55
  But it's very hard to even picture what these what this these stories are?
• 47:00
  I can't. Yeah. So two things that I think are interesting here,
• 47:02
  first one being I don't disagree that if you were to find out that women
• 47:06
  had been murdered throughout history, you would have gone, oh my god,
• 47:08
  like this is an aberration, whereas sort of male mortality is just a byproduct
• 47:14
  of existence. That being said, women being sexually assaulted by some warring tribe.
• 47:21
  You know, I learned about the cultural all right, all right,
• 47:24
  wait, hold on, I'm positive for the banana. Don't say anything yet,
• 47:28
  No, no, Allison. Ellison's really wanting to say something. I
• 47:30
  know, I know, But let him say his thing and respond to what
• 47:34
  he says. Okay, history of how relationships have evolved from a sort of
• 47:39
  culturally mimetic standpoint, and women have basically been property. They've been property of
• 47:45
  their kin, they've been property of their family, they've been property of their
• 47:49
  husbands for a very long time. So I would agree that the extremes there
• 47:53
  are it's treated as an aberration, but there's certainly treatment. I'm told I
• 48:00
  all did, Yeah, You're totally right. People care about women more.
• 48:02
  But let's forget that utterly, and I'm gonna just try it out. And
• 48:07
  bulls weren't property, they were wards. No one they were not was for
• 48:15
  that ment. They were not property. You could not buy and sell women
• 48:22
  who were not part of a slave class, where you could also buy and
• 48:25
  sell the men. They were not property. They were wards. They the
• 48:31
  words of their family. They Okay, you know what being ward of the
• 48:36
  state is. Okay, okay. You have an abused child and child Services
• 48:44
  takes them from their abusive parents and makes them a ward of the state and
• 48:50
  gives them a puts them in a foster home, right for their own protection,
• 48:54
  to provide for them, to care for them, to protect them.
• 48:58
  Right, women were wards, They were wards. They were not property.
• 49:04
  Right, Robin was Batman's ward, yes, like you uh okay, okay,
• 49:14
  okay, okay, okay. And you can you can say, maybe
• 49:17
  it's not fair that women didn't have all of the freedom of a self determining
• 49:27
  individual, that she had to be somebody's ward, right, and that gave
• 49:32
  that somebody a little bit of authority over her. But you have to look
• 49:38
  at why. Yeah, right, Lizzie Borden was thirty five years old,
• 49:46
  unmarried, living with her parents on their dime because that's what was expected of
• 49:52
  people when it came to their daughters. Hm. They couldn't force her to
• 49:59
  get married, right, they couldn't kick her out. So she was living
• 50:06
  on their dime, living a life of complete ease and luxury until she took
• 50:12
  an axe and gave her father forty wax mm hmm. Then she looked what
• 50:19
  she had done, gave her mother forty one. Okay. Women were not
• 50:23
  property. They were not let's get let's get his receipt. They were no
• 50:29
  more. They were no. Women were not chilling. Women and men were
• 50:35
  both treated in terms of rape when they when they when okay? When when
• 50:44
  ay? In previous times when an army was triumphant, Oh yeah, everybody
• 50:51
  got raped. Everybody got raped. But then the men got killed. But
• 50:53
  the men got killed and you know what else had pressed and the women got
• 50:58
  knocked up. Let me tell you some thing. If I were part of
• 51:01
  a society that had just been conquered prior to the times where they decided,
• 51:07
  hey, let's not do that to civilians, that's that that actually is counterproductive
• 51:09
  because he's going to work the fields. But you know, that's what happened
• 51:14
  in the Middle Ages, by the way. You know, all the the
• 51:15
  people that all the men in the groups, the aristocratic groups that were were
• 51:22
  very aggressive, shall we say, they made a pack to just leave the
• 51:25
  peasants alone. That's why it was a system that worked for a long time.
• 51:30
  But let's set that aside. Let's say we were part of an era,
• 51:32
  Chris, where that wasn't the case, and baby and basically too to
• 51:37
  the victor goes all the spoils. What would happen to me versus what would
• 51:42
  happen to you? Well, first of all, I'm pretty old, so
• 51:45
  I probably just be put in front of a loom or something and spind in
• 51:47
  like a dark hut. But what would happen when you wouldn't be seen as
• 51:52
  a potential threat. I might be raped, fair enough, I might be
• 51:58
  raped. That might happen. They might just turn make me like some of
• 52:01
  the you know, the woman who churns the butter or something. You,
• 52:06
  Chris, would be raped. You would have castrated. Yeah, and if
• 52:13
  you didn't bleed to death, they would cut off your head. I would
• 52:17
  take my chances, yeah, he looks quite masculine. He would definitely be
• 52:24
  seen as You would be run through by however men until you passed out.
• 52:31
  Then you would be castrated and your head would be chopped off. That's what
• 52:36
  would happen to you. That is what I am freaking. I am freaking
• 52:44
  tired of men saying, oh, it would be so bad to be No,
• 52:47
  it wouldn't be bad to be a woman in the past. Oh it
• 52:51
  would be bad. It would be bad compared to now. But you know,
• 52:57
  the men, the level of badness that men suffered would be more intense,
• 53:06
  more immediate, and more irreversible. The sec a thing. The men
• 53:15
  on a winning side would have had to go through a horrific experience to just
• 53:23
  he'll just be on the winning side. They would have to see their brothers
• 53:28
  die, their brothers in arms die, They would have to sustain injuries or
• 53:31
  be lucky enough not to, but still they would likely sustain mental injuries.
• 53:37
  So it's like in the past, men had to run this horrific race in
• 53:43
  which eight tenths of them drop dead. You know, some four of the
• 53:50
  ten would be captured, raped, castrated, murdered in that order. If
• 53:55
  you're lucky and the the other. On the other I think I'd feel luckier
• 54:01
  if I was murdered first. Yeah, that's too castrated. If you are
• 54:06
  unlucky, that would be the order it happened. Okay, and the other
• 54:09
  four might be the winners. Three of those four are probably dead. And
• 54:15
  even though the last uh, I don't uh of their number one, their
• 54:21
  brothers in arms are dead. Okay, you probably have PTSD. And in
• 54:25
  the end of the day, uh, I guess you get get to go
• 54:30
  home and marry a couple of women who you won. You won one tenth
• 54:37
  one won the race, and then a thousand years later you get to have
• 54:44
  POGs like this talk about how you were privileged. Mm hmm, I wish.
• 54:50
  I'm just going that's all right, we got we got a rumble rant
• 54:53
  from oy C for a dollar. Who says, but the whamen's and thank
• 55:00
  you for the rumble rant, and let's let's get more of this, because
• 55:02
  I think the other guy has a pretty good response that we have used ourselves
• 55:07
  so and which has just been it's powerful, it's a weezy, it's a
• 55:10
  woozy. It's a whether you tribe, what's taking over the old one.
• 55:15
  So there's there's some Again, it's the not one thousand times out of a
• 55:17
  thousand things, right, I mean there, I would point out that the
• 55:22
  usual story is we first murder all the men and then we enslave the women,
• 55:25
  which is terrible, but still it's like, well, which one you
• 55:28
  which one would you rather be? Yeah, I'd rather be enslaved than murdered
• 55:30
  probably, so you're lay, yes, that there is a little bit of
• 55:35
  that, although there's also because there's a suicide opportunity to in case it turns
• 55:39
  out to be worse, definitely my preferences and slave me first, and then
• 55:44
  I will be looking for my way out if it turns out to be more
• 55:47
  horrible than death itself. I also, I also want to add something else
• 55:52
  to I think there might be I think if you were a woman living in
• 55:58
  ancient times and there was a tribe or kingdom or whatever, an opposing army,
• 56:07
  and they were conquering your lands and all of your men were being killed,
• 56:12
  how many of those women would basically just prepare themselves to join the other
• 56:15
  the new tribe, the conquering tribe lots, So like, how bad is
• 56:20
  it then? Really? I mean, it's it's it's obviously bad that like
• 56:23
  the people in their drop are dying. But I think that women in those
• 56:28
  days were more willing to adapt or or or sort of like integrate into the
• 56:35
  conquering society, whereas men were more likely to die trying to stop that from
• 56:38
  How single greatest way that female slaves in Roman times manumitted that means became free
• 56:45
  was marriage? Yeah, so like and how thenies like single piece of goddamn
• 56:53
  jewelry, Like there is a r like I think a armoring it has I
• 57:00
  believe, like a pound of gold. I don't know how the hell she
• 57:04
  moved her arm with the thing, and it has inscribed on it to my
• 57:07
  little slave girl, Like, are you freaking kidding me? Chris? Your
• 57:13
  chance is raped, castrated, murdered. My chance is getting a pound a
• 57:19
  bracelet that weighs a pound, saying my little slave girl, I think my
• 57:23
  chances are a bit better, you know. But no, And you see
• 57:28
  this with like war brides, I guess, yeah, that's kind of what
• 57:35
  I was thinking about war brides exactly. Yeah. Like they they they'll they'll
• 57:40
  they see which way the wind is blowing and they find a protector among the
• 57:46
  occupying or conquering force and then they go that direction and then when you know,
• 57:55
  it's really unfortunate for them because they're just following their instincts that when saying
• 58:04
  in France, uh, you know, you're liberated from the Nazis and you
• 58:09
  end up getting your head shaved in public because you were consorting with you were
• 58:15
  like the bedmate of a Nazi occupier, right, but you know you were,
• 58:22
  you were hedging your bets and he was probably handsome because Germans are often
• 58:28
  very handsome, and uh, you know so, and you know, when
• 58:34
  it comes to Germans and Frenchmen, frenchmen aren't that good looking. German men
• 58:40
  are better looking than their women. French women are better looking than their men.
• 58:45
  That's just how it is. I'm sorry, sorry, I have to
• 58:49
  break your to youa hmm wisdom from Karen. Yeah, well okay, but
• 58:54
  what I'm saying is I'm saying is that women will opportunistically switch sides. Yeah,
• 59:00
  and I and I also think that women women will be more valued by
• 59:05
  the conqueror tribe too, like we could always use more women. So I
• 59:08
  mean, like, I don't I don't think that it's there. The problem
• 59:13
  is they're trying that that Chris and a lot of people who make these arguments
• 59:16
  about women being turned into sex slaves or concubines or whatever, it's there's a
• 59:22
  false equivalence because the women are still a resource in terms of reproductive potential for
• 59:29
  the conquering tribe. Even yeah, and even even if they're not, even
• 59:32
  if they're too old to take so purpose, right, they still have a
• 59:37
  purpose. And they won't they won't. They won't be basically like I've come
• 59:47
  looking for the man who shot my paw right, Like, they're not they're
• 59:52
  not going to seek revenge. They're not going to be rebellious. That's not
• 59:55
  the case. But because there is stories of oh no, yeah, I
• 1:00:02
  know that, there are the few stories that disprove the rule. The rule
• 1:00:07
  is that women generally will acclimate. Also also in terms of class hierarchy,
• 1:00:14
  like if you are a noble class woman, you would be more expected to
• 1:00:19
  to seek revenge for your family, whereas if you were a slave class,
• 1:00:22
  it's just well you're a freaking slave. You're basically not much above an animal,
• 1:00:25
  Oh sir, whatever, Yeah, but it's a bit different than slave.
• 1:00:30
  But yes, but some protections in law, Okay, but when when
• 1:00:37
  you're when you're actually and here's the thing too, is that where we came
• 1:00:44
  from. And this is in terms of you know, both are closest relatives,
• 1:00:51
  chimpanzees and pinobo's. It's the females that leave the group at maturity,
• 1:00:55
  not the males. The females leave and find a new group, right,
• 1:01:02
  the males don't the males always state right. So if you have that kind
• 1:01:08
  of tendency already, right, where the males retain their loyalty to their native
• 1:01:17
  group, right, and the females are basically they they migrate find a different
• 1:01:28
  group when they are sexually mature, right, then you're going to have a
• 1:01:32
  situation where women do fare better. At least they're more willing to accept a
• 1:01:45
  new set of circumstances with a new group of people than men would be.
• 1:01:52
  Like, I think this goes back not just four thousand years, ten years,
• 1:01:59
  goes back to million years plus. They're more likely to accept it.
• 1:02:02
  They're just more seen to be able to accept it. So the clemency is
• 1:02:06
  there. And uh, yeah, so, because I mean there are there's
• 1:02:14
  definitely women who don't for example, oh sure, yeah no, but more
• 1:02:19
  likely, more likely, more likely doesn't mean, there's like it can it
• 1:02:23
  can even be not more likely, but just simply seen to be more likely,
• 1:02:28
  or simply just valued for something, so the risk is worth it,
• 1:02:31
  whereas with men, the risk we're not seen as a threat because I'm sorry,
• 1:02:36
  a five foot tall woman who turns butter is probably not going to cause
• 1:02:39
  a whole lot of trouble unless she's a sorceress. Okay, let's uh,
• 1:02:44
  let's watch. I got I got a super chow so oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:02:49
  I got a super chow from Urushima for five dollars. And he says,
• 1:02:53
  oh, Karen, you're gonna make me blush. I think that might
• 1:02:58
  be a reference to him being German. German, a German. He is
• 1:03:04
  an Aryan. The Aryans. They they definitely you know, it's that whole
• 1:03:10
  blonde haired, blue eyed thing. Okay, Okay, want to do I
• 1:03:16
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• 1:03:20
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• 1:03:27
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• 1:03:30
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• 1:03:52
  the time to put it into your U r L and consider consider, put
• 1:03:57
  put thought to it, just like we put thought to Vex from Riddle.
• 1:04:00
  I really he explains it, and I I do. I do want to
• 1:04:06
  say that Brian Kaplan is like, well, if if death is the preferable
• 1:04:14
  option, right, well, there's plenty of suicide opportunity. Yeah, And
• 1:04:18
  honestly, women, women didn't take it honestly the way that the mentality was
• 1:04:26
  in the past. I think we over emphasized this our notion of sexual violence.
• 1:04:34
  It would be entirely likely that the guy who managed to take you as
• 1:04:39
  a slave would be considered quite attractive. I hate to tell you it's one
• 1:04:45
  of the biggest freaking romance tropes. Well exactly. I mean I was gonna
• 1:04:49
  say, like, I think we assume too much about the people of the
• 1:04:53
  time. But let's let's play some more and then on the question of the
• 1:05:00
  legal treatment of women, and of course a lot of the most of this
• 1:05:01
  is in the pre modern period, where we just don't have a lot of
• 1:05:04
  good data. I mean, there's the legal doctrine where I think that at
• 1:05:08
  least often you are correct, although even there it's a little complicated. Things
• 1:05:13
  like under Roman law, father is just legally tighter to murder any of the
• 1:05:15
  children, regardless of their tender Once you hear that, it's like, well,
• 1:05:19
  but they weren't actually doing it, Like, yeah, yeah, that's
• 1:05:21
  really rare. It was really rare, of course, I mean, of
• 1:05:26
  course he was getting to that. He said that just because because like feminists
• 1:05:30
  will say this, because you could, it doesn't mean it did. But
• 1:05:33
  it was the It was on the books from a time when it was pretty
• 1:05:38
  subsistence. So you know, a father would be presented with his presumptive child,
• 1:05:44
  he would have to take responsibility for the needs of that child, so
• 1:05:47
  he'd have to make the decision whether or not he could and uh, like
• 1:05:53
  it's a it was a different time and pretty brutal. Like you said,
• 1:05:58
  subsistence, and that those laws came from that time. The empire was not
• 1:06:04
  in that same mindset, Okay, so it almost never was actually used.
• 1:06:13
  In fact, I don't even think there was a time that it happened.
• 1:06:16
  But anyway, keep going prime right, I think it is extremely unusual,
• 1:06:19
  and as Darwin would predict, for someone to murder their own children, even
• 1:06:24
  when it's totally legal. But then I think you do have to look at
• 1:06:27
  well, what's the fact of the matter. Is it really true that in
• 1:06:30
  a society where women were legally considered to be the property of the father,
• 1:06:33
  that he actually that fathers actually did often dispose their daughters as if they were
• 1:06:38
  a sheep, or rather is it like they rather were they normal human beings
• 1:06:43
  where whatever the law says, your daughter says I don't want to marry him,
• 1:06:45
  daddy, and he's like, oh, well, I couldn't possibly say
• 1:06:47
  no to or she was crying. I think that human universals, and while
• 1:06:51
  there are coarse cruel people who will do terrible things, if the law allows
• 1:06:56
  it, much more common for the emotion that we take for granted today to
• 1:07:00
  have always existed, and the emotion of windening and complaining. Okay, I
• 1:07:06
  can I just get in here, yeah, absolutely right. The other thing
• 1:07:12
  is that the idea of belonging to someone is very addictive for humans, like
• 1:07:19
  we need to feel like we belong to something. This is a need that
• 1:07:25
  people don't recognize, that they don't seed on to understand how powerful it is.
• 1:07:30
  People would rather belong to the king than belong to nothing. They'd rather
• 1:07:33
  belong to their father than be nothing. And you know, you could see
• 1:07:39
  something. I just recently read Gone with the Wind. This could be very
• 1:07:42
  controversial to say, but they created the same kind of aristocratic system of belonging
• 1:07:47
  as you saw in like the UK. The aristocrats embodied that the people that
• 1:07:55
  everyone sort of belonged to, that they centered their lives around, and that
• 1:08:00
  satisfied and urge for those people who they belong to. If you don't feel
• 1:08:08
  like you're part of a social group, you feel like you're one step away
• 1:08:11
  from death, which makes a lot of sense for humans. And so we
• 1:08:15
  will belong to countries, will belong to ideologies, will belong to sports groups.
• 1:08:20
  We need a place to belong. And the situation for certain groups of
• 1:08:29
  slaves was often better than people who had no value whatsoever. I know that
• 1:08:35
  sounds horrible. I know that this is not something that you're allowed to say.
• 1:08:40
  No, you're basically saying, the guy who got hired at McDonald's and
• 1:08:47
  he's flipping burgers for like minimum wage probably feels a lot better than the dude
• 1:08:55
  that not even the other homeless guys talk to. Yeah, on the streets,
• 1:09:00
  the the person who has a place to belong is feels better than the
• 1:09:05
  person who has no place to belong That's why. It's why, it's why,
• 1:09:10
  it's why groups form in prisons. Yeah, and it's also why I
• 1:09:14
  think, I'm gonna go a little bit esoteric. I think it's the reason
• 1:09:18
  why the Roman system of slavery worked as well as it did because they were
• 1:09:24
  they were basically incorporating people who did not understand the concept of nationalism, but
• 1:09:30
  they did understand the concept of belonging to the biggest, baddest man on the
• 1:09:34
  on the block. So they just were like, yeah, you're you're his
• 1:09:39
  slave, and uh and if you work well and if you start to understand
• 1:09:43
  our customs, then you can manument you can earn your you earn your way
• 1:09:46
  out of slavery. It was a very different system than a lot of the
• 1:09:50
  systems at the time, like Viking slavery was just ghastly, but uh,
• 1:09:56
  hey, it was no, yes, it was. It was fine.
• 1:10:02
  It was ghastly ancestors. Well, they're my ancestors too, so I get
• 1:10:08
  to they were pretty ghastly. Yeah, they didn't treat people very well.
• 1:10:14
  No, they didn't treat people very well at all. Then they went like
• 1:10:16
  they did a hard correction in the exact opposite direction and screwed themselves. Yeah,
• 1:10:25
  guilt, Why don't you just just anyway, So the whole idea is
• 1:10:30
  that you sort of get people to understand the concept of belonging to a civilized
• 1:10:36
  society as opposed to belonging to another person as a slave, and once they
• 1:10:43
  can demonstrate that they can operate and be productive in that system, then you
• 1:10:47
  give them their freedom. It was actually, you know, almost like I
• 1:10:53
  would say, this is not a very good analogy, like a green card.
• 1:10:59
  Yeah, and uh, it's not not a great analogy, but it
• 1:11:01
  gets more in the ballpark than the way that we see slavery in the past
• 1:11:08
  when in terms of the Roman style anyway, Well, chattel slavery was different,
• 1:11:13
  right, but I think it was chattel slavery, but they could still
• 1:11:17
  no, no, no cha, Yeah. The chattel slavery is that you
• 1:11:23
  you're the slave gives birth more slaves. Yeah, you're owned forever, and
• 1:11:29
  all of your children are also owned, and you know, and maybe you'll
• 1:11:34
  be really lucky, right and uh and your owner will manument yeah uh as
• 1:11:45
  part of his will, like Thomas Jefferson did with his Yeah. But but
• 1:11:51
  yeah, No, it's the it you have to realize too, like that
• 1:12:04
  being unalived is probably worse than being enslaved. And we know this because all
• 1:12:14
  slaves have the opportunity to unlive themselves. Yes, and being a slave in
• 1:12:21
  a society like Rome was probably better than anywhere else. And being a woman
• 1:12:26
  in a society like Rome was probably better than anywhere else. They had They
• 1:12:30
  particularly liked their Roman. There were women entrepreneurs in Rome. They had exempt
• 1:12:35
  like women who were business women had had legal exemptions and legal protections that other
• 1:12:41
  people didn't. Yeah, and that's why the Roman Empire fell, Allison paid
• 1:12:46
  attention. No, that was before. I don't think it was because of
• 1:12:51
  that. I think it was that was before you said that was before.
• 1:12:57
  Oh, No, that was before the empire. The republic came before the
• 1:13:01
  empire, and then the empire and then it collapsed, and it was just
• 1:13:04
  the eastern part that collapsed, or say the western part the eastern kept on.
• 1:13:10
  I think that the what really caused the collapse was the way that land
• 1:13:15
  was being distributed in the later republic. What happened was a lot of large
• 1:13:23
  landowners started buying up all the plots that veterans would usually get at the end
• 1:13:28
  of their service, or they would buy up the plots of the veterans because
• 1:13:31
  they couldn't take care of them while they were at war, so they What
• 1:13:35
  ended up happening is there was these huge estates being run by slaves, and
• 1:13:40
  then the average man in Rome had almost no chance of having an income from
• 1:13:46
  a property or a job because there was just you know, the Roman men
• 1:13:50
  can only really do soldiering, lawyering and being a politician. They would have
• 1:13:58
  no income and they couldn't have families. So you ended up having these large
• 1:14:01
  bodies of disaffected young men, and then from that you get all of the
• 1:14:06
  big politics like the Gracchi brothers and the big mob politics, because they don't
• 1:14:14
  have an investment in the structure as it is, so they start investing themselves
• 1:14:18
  in these ideas of how they will get what they need as young men to
• 1:14:25
  actually have a family, so breaking up the landowners by being part of the
• 1:14:30
  popularity party. So all of these politics started to destabilize things. It started
• 1:14:34
  to destroy the system of mores that kept Roman men from being violent towards each
• 1:14:41
  other. And then it just got worse and worse and worse until they had
• 1:14:45
  to stop all of this by electing an emperor. And then once you take
• 1:14:49
  away that upward mobility, the men feel less invested in the political system.
• 1:14:56
  So although you stabilize it, there's still that that you stabilize it. But
• 1:15:01
  then what ends up happening is the men now feel uninvested in the system,
• 1:15:05
  and although they may not be creating trouble, they're also detaching from it.
• 1:15:11
  So what ended up happening at the end of the empire is the guys the
• 1:15:15
  men wouldn't They were like, oh, well, well, you joined the
• 1:15:16
  armies to protect it, to protect the Western Empire, and they're like yeah,
• 1:15:19
  why yeah, And then it fell oh well, And it wasn't because
• 1:15:26
  they gave rights to women who were at productive in their society. It was
• 1:15:31
  because of that. So, I mean, it still came down to the
• 1:15:35
  relationship between the sexes and the integration of young men into society and how that
• 1:15:40
  was being impeded. But at this I don't think it was. I don't
• 1:15:44
  think it was the women who were running businesses that were the problem. I
• 1:15:46
  don't think it ever was, because the Bible explicitly says that women like that
• 1:15:50
  who are being productive in their community is fine. It's the herodins who are
• 1:15:56
  using their sexuality to tear shit down. Oh wow, yeah, like I
• 1:16:02
  don't think it's women's right. So alright, so we got only fans,
• 1:16:08
  Yeah good, we got tender Uh, we got Andrew Tate, and we've
• 1:16:18
  got a massive underclass of men thirty five and younger who have never had sex.
• 1:16:28
  Mm hmm. I got a super chat and a and we got a
• 1:16:33
  super chat. I got a super Chat and I got a super chow as
• 1:16:40
  well. Let's start with the super chat because I already put it on the
• 1:16:42
  screen. So Boda gives us two dollars and says, FGM, that's female
• 1:16:46
  genital mulation was legal, but extremely rare, almost never done. And then
• 1:16:53
  I got a super chow from Ushima again five dollars and says I do love
• 1:16:58
  it when you get esotere Rick Allison, thank you for that. What should
• 1:17:06
  should we play more of the video? Yes, yes, that started after
• 1:17:13
  the like because the law changed, like like of course, people people have
• 1:17:17
  always been doing these kinds of things. And again just the way that if
• 1:17:21
  you read the literature of earlier periods, you'll see that it does not seem
• 1:17:26
  like women are living in fear of their fathers going and doing things to them,
• 1:17:30
  because yeah, evolution, fathers love their children, they love their daughters,
• 1:17:33
  they love their sons. And then on you on top of this is
• 1:17:38
  this is very basic human feeling that women's suffering is especially important. So you
• 1:17:43
  know, like my favorite example of this that I mentioned was the Hillary Clinton
• 1:17:45
  quote about how women are the biggest losers in war because they lose fathers and
• 1:17:48
  sons, just like hmm, yeah, don't the fathers and sons lose more
• 1:17:54
  because they're dead? Yeah? Well this are you familiar with gamma bias?
• 1:17:59
  Have you heard this before? See I'm just pausing it for the banana,
• 1:18:06
  But you want to hear this bit about gamma bias or yes? I do.
• 1:18:12
  I think that doctor John Barry, who I've had on the show before,
• 1:18:15
  is who they are referencing. I guess he's been he's spoken to Chris
• 1:18:18
  Williamson in the past. So okay, let's let's hear about it. Maybe
• 1:18:25
  under also, is it like like not caring much about the lowest status people
• 1:18:30
  or what is it? It's specifically men? So doctor John Barry Center for
• 1:18:33
  Male Psychology came up with this. It's really interesting insight. Once you see
• 1:18:38
  you can't see it. If there is a story which is pro female,
• 1:18:44
  it will sex the person. If it's pro male, it will desex it.
• 1:18:47
  If it's anti male, it will sex the person. If it's anti
• 1:18:50
  female, it will desex it. Ah, yes, very so you end
• 1:18:53
  up with a skew. So for instance, so why is it called the
• 1:18:55
  gamma? I I don't know. You'd have to ask him. He's been
• 1:18:59
  on the show and I'm pretty sure did. I feel like there's other biases
• 1:19:01
  that come before it, and this happens to be there because it's in order.
• 1:19:04
  I'm not sure anyway, Yeah, that makes perfect sense. So for
• 1:19:08
  instance, Sarah Everard was this young woman walking through a park in the UK.
• 1:19:13
  She was killed by a male police officer. Absolutely terrible, right,
• 1:19:15
  and there was a lot of protests about women don't feel safe in these streets.
• 1:19:19
  It was a flashpoint for sort of sex relations. One week later,
• 1:19:25
  a man drowned jumping into the River Thames to save a woman who had gone
• 1:19:30
  in the story. Essentially wasn't covered, and when it was covered, his
• 1:19:34
  sex wasn't revealed. It was a Londoner jumps into a by stander, A
• 1:19:40
  bystander, a school teacher, yeah, a nurse, an ambulance attendant,
• 1:19:50
  and a first responder. Yeah. No, this is all This is all
• 1:19:57
  shit that we've covered so many times. I never knew it was called gamma
• 1:20:00
  bias because somebody stole our idea and fucking put a name on it. Whenever,
• 1:20:09
  whenever there's whenever there is something and I have yet twelve years, me
• 1:20:15
  thirteen, here's me. Whenever something is uh is a man doing good or
• 1:20:24
  a woman doing bad, they desex it, And whenever it's a man doing
• 1:20:30
  bad or a woman doing good, they sex it. That's that's just how
• 1:20:33
  it goes, that's how they do it anyway, yep. And it's just
• 1:20:45
  really frustrating. It's well, yeah, probably frustrating because I guarantee, well,
• 1:20:50
  I guess I could. I could do another forty minute video on this
• 1:20:56
  phenomenon, only to have some freaking actandemic steal it in three years and a
• 1:21:02
  different name on it. Well, they still haven't. Haven't stolen negative some
• 1:21:06
  game? Just wait, yeah, or time, I was the one who
• 1:21:15
  might have got hypoagency. Maybe I was the hype I was the hypoagency,
• 1:21:21
  but you were the inflatable femme m that's where I got the hypoagency word from.
• 1:21:29
  Okay, let's keep going. Let's let's let's play some more. A
• 1:21:31
  person from drowning or woman from drowning or something like that. So you do
• 1:21:35
  get this cue. But okay, I mean, what would be in your
• 1:21:39
  opinion, it sounds like at least part of the problem feminism has a branding
• 1:21:43
  problem, right that it's coming in with an awful lot of baggage mimetically,
• 1:21:46
  culturally. No, it doesn't have a branding problem. Given the fact that
• 1:21:49
  there are still causes that women need to have support for, even in the
• 1:21:56
  modern world, what would be your proposal for a sanitized causes version of something
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  that could talk about women's issues what causes? This is what's so frustrating.
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  It's like this moment, like these guys like this, men like this when
• 1:22:15
  when he talks about women, it sounds like he's talking about some some the
• 1:22:19
  inside of his own skull. What I need causes. I need to be
• 1:22:25
  able to define myself in terms of saving women. How do I do that
• 1:22:29
  in a world where women don't need to be saved? Answer me, wizard
• 1:22:34
  man. That is the women's cause is his needs women who don't need to
• 1:22:44
  be saved saving us men. Oh my god. Like I'm just I'm sitting
• 1:22:50
  here and I'm he's saying, Okay, there's still all these issues, and
• 1:22:54
  there's still all this blah blah blah. Really, really, name one,
• 1:22:59
  name one that I can explain away the meritocracy, perceptive bias, right,
• 1:23:05
  or just women being whinier? Yah, there you go, name one.
• 1:23:13
  Anyway, Let's see what this guess says. No, I gotta wait.
• 1:23:15
  I got a super chow, a big one. Thank you from Happy Late
• 1:23:20
  Thanksgiving who gives us five dollars and then one hundred. So that might be
• 1:23:27
  like a donation, So thank you for that. Real quick. Hold on
• 1:23:31
  a second, I'm gonna give you a news everyone, all right, And
• 1:23:35
  he says, or they say, finished reviewing my expensive I got expenses.
• 1:23:42
  I got some money for the badger's enjoy So they made us made a little
• 1:23:45
  space for for us. So thank you, happy wait, thank you,
• 1:23:53
  that's very much appreciated. Maybe that'll go towards a Christmas duck. Yeah,
• 1:23:59
  oh, you're gonna have duck, But tell me you're gonna have crispy duck.
• 1:24:05
  Yeah, Karen, don't don't malign Jonathan's ability to cook duck. Oh
• 1:24:10
  yeah, no, no, no, no, crispy duck. It has
• 1:24:13
  to be crispy duck. You can't usually be like freaking delition, can't be
• 1:24:17
  prepared like the Brits do it. Well, let me guess, either it's
• 1:24:24
  slabbered in beans or it's cooked to the point where it's basically duck jerky.
• 1:24:30
  Uh, it's duck jerky but still soggy. How is that even possible?
• 1:24:36
  Well, the skin's not crisp, just the muscle. How the fuck do
• 1:24:43
  you end up with soggy's skin and crisp muscle? Well, you just put
• 1:24:47
  foil on it. And you know, you know what's really good for a
• 1:24:51
  holiday meal? Though? And this is this perfect for Okay, anybody who's
• 1:24:56
  listening, anybody who's listening, Here here's the perfect holiday meal. You buy
• 1:25:03
  a pork shoulder butt roast. Okay, take the skin off, take some
• 1:25:10
  of the excess fat off, all right, because they often they leave the
• 1:25:15
  pig skin on, even though most people aren't gonna want to eat the pigskin.
• 1:25:18
  But so you carve the skin off. Use a bread knife for that.
• 1:25:23
  Don't use a carving knife, use a bread knife. It works like.
• 1:25:27
  Saws through it real because there's a lot of connective tissue there. Saws
• 1:25:30
  through it real good. And then you brine dry, brine it. So
• 1:25:36
  some oil, some herbs, some garlic, and a couple tablespoons of salt.
• 1:25:45
  Himalayan pink rock salt, perfect for it, right, Rub it all
• 1:25:50
  over the pork. Stick it in the fridge overnight, put it in the
• 1:25:56
  oven in the morning at around well round eleven thirty am. Blast it at
• 1:26:05
  five hundred degrees for twenty minutes. Then turn the heat down to two seventy
• 1:26:13
  five. Let it go for another six hours. That thing's going to fall
• 1:26:17
  apart. It's going to be moist and juicy and lovely and wonderful. We
• 1:26:24
  should do a tender cookbook. We should do a feed the Badger cookbook.
• 1:26:29
  Oh yeah no, because because John, my kid, my kid turned me
• 1:26:33
  on to pork shoulder butt as long as the first entry is ham sandwich or
• 1:26:38
  Jank Ugert. Oh, all right, hey, let's take let's do this,
• 1:26:45
  let's do this thing. My first recipe will be the sandwich I was
• 1:26:51
  thinking of sending to Jank Younger Ugert. Yeah, we could have like a
• 1:26:57
  like a non feminist essays and then then then no, and any viewers who
• 1:27:03
  are female send in your recipes. Any viewers who are male will have to
• 1:27:10
  make you honorary kitchen bitches. Yeah, you can send any recipes too,
• 1:27:14
  but John Than could could tribute all of his baking recipes for gluten, egg
• 1:27:18
  and milk free baking. How do you bake without gluten, milk or eggs.
• 1:27:26
  You should try eating the stuff that he's made. It is incredible.
• 1:27:30
  I don't know how he does it. I think he's like made a pact
• 1:27:34
  with like the elder gods or something of baking probably Satan actually cookie, cookie
• 1:27:42
  Thulu or something. Do you want to do you want to keep to this?
• 1:27:46
  Okay? Yes? Yes, I mean honestly, I think I would
• 1:27:49
  say that step one is just to get the facts and find out whether it's
• 1:27:53
  even true that women are doing especially badly, and if that is the opposite
• 1:27:58
  is true, then like, well, seems like we should be focused on
• 1:28:00
  men. But let's hear his response. I know, I know, he's
• 1:28:15
  like, well, why don't we find out if it's true first? If
• 1:28:19
  it is it's true, he literally the guy said, find out the facts
• 1:28:26
  first and then make it generally like we all have this bias. We should
• 1:28:31
  probably have to figure out if it's true first. Okay, Okay, what
• 1:28:38
  he just said, Okay, all right, let's let's hear. Let's hear
• 1:28:42
  what what ruby your stomach. At the same time, there will be certain
• 1:28:45
  areas in which we would want to focus on. For instance, I know
• 1:28:47
  that you've got some views on circumcision. I think I line pretty much with
• 1:28:51
  your views on that. Like, that's a very particular wing of male disadvantage,
• 1:28:58
  right, No, it isn't looking particular. It's not particular. It's
• 1:29:01
  like it's like you have a systemic problem, like my husband. Okay,
• 1:29:06
  my husband has mastocytosis indolin systemic mastocytosis. Okay, here are his symptoms if
• 1:29:15
  I can remember them. All hives, idiopathic anaphylaxis, acid reflux, hyatal
• 1:29:26
  hernia, enlarge liver and spleen, irritable bell, syndrome, atypical asthma,
• 1:29:33
  flushing, difficulty regulating body temperature, flushes, chills, sweats. Okay,
• 1:29:45
  like that all comes from one problem, right, And the whole reason it
• 1:29:53
  took so fucking long to have a diagnosis is because Meta and his compartmentalized.
• 1:30:00
  Oh well, you know his kidney dysfunction is it's just like its own little
• 1:30:05
  problem over here. Circumcision is a wing, a wing of the issues men
• 1:30:11
  faced. Yeah, no, it's it's its own little you know what this
• 1:30:15
  guy's category? No, Like, literally, my husband has a liver and
• 1:30:18
  spleen that are infiltrated with mass cells that overreact to anything that he eats.
• 1:30:25
  And then that oh, brain fog, mood swings, problems with memory retention.
• 1:30:31
  Right, all of these things right, all caused by one fucking problem.
• 1:30:38
  Mm hmm. But I just want to point out that this heat Chris
• 1:30:43
  is is the difficulty that Chris is dealing with is he's trying to integrate the
• 1:30:48
  idea of men being victims of things and his belief that men cannot be victims
• 1:30:56
  because they're men. No, he's trying to integrate rate. I don't think
• 1:31:00
  he thinks that they can't be victims because they're men. I think he's trying
• 1:31:05
  to integrate the idea that men can be victims and they can be victims just
• 1:31:14
  because they're men, and the I guess the outcomes from that can be systemic
• 1:31:24
  across the board, Okay, in all, in pretty much area, any
• 1:31:30
  area of life, right right, with his concern, his greater concern and
• 1:31:35
  compassion for women, this is the stumbling block. This is the thing.
• 1:31:41
  It's not that they can't say, well, you know, I'm on board
• 1:31:45
  with your whole super circumcision thing, right, I'm on board with what you
• 1:31:50
  said that there are more homeless men than almless women. I'm on board with
• 1:31:56
  all of that stuff. Right. I just can't stop caring about women more
• 1:32:01
  than I care about men. Yes, but I'm gonna I'm going to connect
• 1:32:04
  this to what he said the Brian Kaplan said at the beginning that he would
• 1:32:09
  have preferred that this not become institutionalized. Essentially, it's it was better when
• 1:32:15
  it was just sort of a a quirk of the relationship between men and women
• 1:32:18
  rather than a political movement. And I'm going to point out that's because we
• 1:32:24
  now have a sense of belonging from the word feminism. Yes, and that's
• 1:32:29
  what he's contending with. He is taking an identity from his service and saving
• 1:32:34
  of women because well he needs a place to belong and being I guess a
• 1:32:41
  nationalist is now white supremacy and other stuff and you can't be a man because
• 1:32:45
  that's evil. I mean, he may be further along that spectrum. Being
• 1:32:49
  a populist is apparently bad now, yes, well, being a populist is
• 1:32:55
  horrible, like how oh yeah, no, you want it? You want
• 1:32:57
  to know the detion of populism a political stance where no, a political stance
• 1:33:04
  that takes into account the concerns of ordinary people that have been neglected by the
• 1:33:15
  elite classes. Mm hmm. Populas like were talking about the end of the
• 1:33:20
  Roman Republic, but and really what happened is exactly that the elites were not
• 1:33:27
  taking into consideration the concerns of all of these disenfranchised men, and the disruption
• 1:33:32
  just got out of control, and eventually they had to do top down authoritarianism,
• 1:33:36
  which can control things. And like a lot of those top down authoritarians
• 1:33:41
  were very popular leaders and they can enact the control, but it removes the
• 1:33:46
  upward mobility and then you start seeing more and more like men just opting out
• 1:33:51
  of the system, and then you have a conscription crisis and then your freaking
• 1:33:56
  western half of your empire falls. Oh did you watch that video I sent
• 1:34:00
  you, Allison A Flora? Oh good lord, no, I think I
• 1:34:08
  did. Argentinian Oh yes, yes, yes, yeah I did. Oh
• 1:34:15
  god, yeah, no, I watched out out just get rid of all
• 1:34:20
  of the women because those are all women. Oh yeah, he promised to
• 1:34:25
  remove like the Ministry of Women in Equality, but I get I guarantee the
• 1:34:36
  educate kiss all inductory. Okay, I guarantee that those ones that he removed
• 1:34:45
  were mostly held by women. Yes, okay, do you want to watch?
• 1:34:49
  And it's like that's how he campaigned, acting like that. He literally
• 1:34:55
  called He was on the news being interviewed by a stony faced, freaking good
• 1:35:02
  looking white woman journalist, right, and she's like, why are you so
• 1:35:10
  against the left? Why don't why don't you like socialists? And he calls
• 1:35:15
  them shit left cards, libtards, shit left tards. Oh the ship left
• 1:35:25
  Hard's that you get them an inch, they use it to destroy you.
• 1:35:29
  And I'm like, oh, my fucking god, right, this is where
• 1:35:31
  we're going. Gert Wilders just got Wilders just got elected in the Netherlands.
• 1:35:38
  On behalf of the shit libtards. I would like to say one thing.
• 1:35:42
  I have recently gone to the left wing male advocates reddit and they're talking sense.
• 1:35:49
  I'm like, Jesus, this must be a horseman of the apocalypse.
• 1:35:51
  Yeah. No, it's because things have gotten so bad even they can't ignore
• 1:35:57
  it. Yeah right, they like I said, like, you know,
• 1:36:00
  I'd be for communism if it can solve one issue, which is the meritocracy.
• 1:36:06
  Men who participate in a meritocracy and there has to be some renumeration for
• 1:36:13
  that participation in terms of status and the ability to form families. If you
• 1:36:15
  solve that problem, feel free to take the brass ring of society. Communists
• 1:36:21
  good luck though, you know. Yeah, context of your I want to
• 1:36:26
  a solid goal, but it's just not in the cards. Let's play some
• 1:36:29
  more of the video. It's a way that we can get women to become
• 1:36:32
  mothers and then get them back into the workforce. That's like a very specific
• 1:36:36
  element of this. So would you try and make everything quite sort of disparate
• 1:36:41
  and do we miss something? Actually he's actually talking about the thing that is
• 1:36:48
  actually when he was talking about circumcision, and now we're talking he's saying,
• 1:36:56
  he's saying, but there are things that are specific to women, women because
• 1:37:01
  women have more choices. Yeah, getting women back into the workforce, Well,
• 1:37:09
  okay, Chris Williamson, what if we don't want to? Yeah,
• 1:37:15
  and what if? What if? Because the moment, the moment, my
• 1:37:19
  husband earned enough to support the whole household. Yeah, I was done working.
• 1:37:27
  I mean, I'm not done actually performing labor. You should see that,
• 1:37:31
  You're just you should see the steak. Yeah. No, I'm keeping
• 1:37:42
  I'm diagnosing him, I'm keeping him alive. I'm feeding him. Oh my
• 1:37:45
  god. I cooked him a tenderloin today, a beef tenderloin, oh for
• 1:37:53
  lunch with rose and potatoes, beats, carrots. I think you know,
• 1:37:58
  I'm looking at the time here and your that steak sounds delicious. But I'm
• 1:38:01
  just saying, I think this might be a personal record for us fifty.
• 1:38:04
  No, but what I'm what I'm saying is, okay, personal the moment
• 1:38:12
  you can support the moment, the moment, he could support the whole house
• 1:38:17
  right all on his own, with me just putting in the domestic labor,
• 1:38:24
  the juggling of the bills and the paying of everything, and all the shopping
• 1:38:28
  and all the cooking and all the cleaning and all the you know, home
• 1:38:31
  improvements and all the other stuff. Right, I was like, yeah,
• 1:38:36
  fuck you, Tony Romas. Fair enough. I mean, you know,
• 1:38:43
  if I could work and you know, take care of Lindsay, I wouldn't.
• 1:38:49
  I would ask her to stay home. I would you just just just
• 1:38:56
  stay home and take care of the house and feed me and we're good.
• 1:39:00
  Yeah, I would. I would go out or go out and work if
• 1:39:06
  you want. Yeah, that's what she does now. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:39:11
  And like there were times in my life when you know, we could have
• 1:39:15
  used the extra money and and uh and I was like, uh, I
• 1:39:19
  got these small kids, and they really get on my nerves sometimes. So
• 1:39:24
  might be nice to have like two nights a week where I'm like out waiting
• 1:39:28
  tables and earning a little money and I keep half my tips and then I
• 1:39:31
  buy my power tools, you know. Like, but it was always I
• 1:39:39
  I've always been like I I just want to be basically primarily the person on
• 1:39:45
  the domestic end of things. And and my husband's the two that I've had,
• 1:39:53
  have been very happy to do that. And and it's like I I'm
• 1:40:00
  just looking at it and I'm thinking, Okay, well, what could you
• 1:40:02
  promise me to get me back into the paid workforce? Like what could you
• 1:40:10
  offer me? I don't know that it's anything. And that's fair, like,
• 1:40:17
  you know, let people arrange their lives as they wish. This is
• 1:40:20
  not an Honestly, Chris, this isn't a problem. Like literally, this
• 1:40:26
  is not a goddamn problem. It's none of your business. Like okay,
• 1:40:30
  so this is your women's problem. This is what you're hanging your identity of
• 1:40:32
  saving women on, Chris, and it is none of your goddamn business.
• 1:40:36
  Let's see what Let's see how this guy responds to it. Let's play some
• 1:40:41
  more employment for mother's department? Am I going to have a we need to
• 1:40:44
  not circumcise our children department? I mean that pat your head and rub your
• 1:40:48
  belly thing is quite striking, because it's of course a lot of people can't
• 1:40:51
  do that. I would say is that there's always priorities, and any time
• 1:41:00
  that you say that my issue is super important, you are implicitly actually saying
• 1:41:02
  that the other issues are at least is I should go and get some of
• 1:41:06
  the attention that other issues are getting Usually you're a little hazy about what issues
• 1:41:10
  you want to de emphasize. But yeah, I do think that there are
• 1:41:15
  actually good reasons once you realize that a problem is not a big deal,
• 1:41:17
  not to go and emphasize it and not to go and prioritize it. You've
• 1:41:21
  probably heard of effective altruism. It's this idea that philanthropy. Here's my problem
• 1:41:27
  with this, This is my problem. He's comparing an issue in which adults
• 1:41:32
  force their choices onto the body of an infant with an issue that is a
• 1:41:36
  result of an adult making a choice about her life. That you make choice
• 1:41:44
  and certain options are excluded from you. You make a choice, and the
• 1:41:46
  decision tree reduces in number, like the amount of decisions that you can make
• 1:41:51
  going forward reduces in number. This is a function of reality. So you're
• 1:41:56
  comparing a child being strapped down, a boy being straps and a knife used
• 1:42:01
  on his genitals, with an adult woman discovering that when she makes when she
• 1:42:08
  selects the left half of the decision tree, the right half of the decision
• 1:42:12
  tree is now no longer open to her. This is not a fair comparison.
• 1:42:16
  No, it's still open to her, though because she can still go
• 1:42:19
  back to work. It is, but some of the stuff, like she
• 1:42:23
  can't get that, she's not going to get the same if she oh,
• 1:42:28
  yeah, no, if she was working continuously four years she took off,
• 1:42:32
  she'd be earning more and selden and also she wouldn't have as much of a
• 1:42:38
  difficulty getting back into the workplace. Well, here's the thing. You made
• 1:42:42
  your choice. So you're you're calling the consequences of adults making a decision for
• 1:42:47
  a child, you're equivalent to the consequences of an adult making a decision for
• 1:42:54
  herself. I'm sorry. There is no equivalence there whatsoever. There's no equivalence.
• 1:43:00
  There's no equivalence to the consequences that a woman chose. She said,
• 1:43:04
  Okay, I'm gonna stay home and raise my children. I'm not gonna have
• 1:43:09
  a stay at home dad. I'm not gonna use in nanny good on you,
• 1:43:12
  you know, not necessarily, I mean need to do. But the
• 1:43:14
  stay at home dad would probably have been really good too. Yeah, But
• 1:43:18
  like, I'm gonna make this choice, and as a result of this choice,
• 1:43:21
  I'm gonna have consequences to my life that I may not like too bad.
• 1:43:28
  So sad like, and you're comparing that to I'm gonna strap down this
• 1:43:31
  helpless creature and cut off a body part. No. No, you're comparing
• 1:43:36
  the consequences of a woman's own choices to the consequences of someone else's choices inflicted
• 1:43:43
  on a man. So a man has no choice. He has to deal
• 1:43:45
  with the consequences of someone else's choice going to war, okay, the choice
• 1:43:50
  not to have appropriate services to help men before they end up homeless or killing
• 1:43:55
  themselves because of sexual abuse or domestic violence. Okay. All of these are
• 1:44:00
  consequences forced onto men, including the consequence of women's absurd choices in terms of
• 1:44:05
  their mating Okay, women now are selecting for psychopaths, and if men were
• 1:44:15
  able to fulfill their monetary requirements, we would need a second Earth in terms
• 1:44:21
  of material goods, all right, women's standards are dot evil at this point.
• 1:44:30
  Oh evil. No, And here's the thing too, they're actually displaying
• 1:44:36
  the evil. Have you seen Cardi B. Have you seen like the new
• 1:44:44
  fashion in fingernails? No I have not. I don't really follow fingernail fashion,
• 1:44:54
  but please enlighten me. Oh oh, well, so you have three
• 1:45:00
  inch long swords growing out of your fingertips. I thought the new fashion was
• 1:45:08
  less. And they're sharpened to a point like a sword. They're not.
• 1:45:18
  They're not like the long ones that you used to get or people used to
• 1:45:24
  get where you know, they're like squared off or rounded. No, they're
• 1:45:29
  they come to a point, right. And women handle their babies while wearing
• 1:45:38
  these things, right, these acrylic swords on the ends of their fingers,
• 1:45:45
  And I look at it and I think that actually evokes demonic imagery, like
• 1:45:56
  that is not attractive, that looks threatening. Yeah, well, you know
• 1:46:00
  what, I'm going to come right out, but I'm going to say that
• 1:46:04
  the data is inconvenient if you have to wash dishes, and it also means
• 1:46:09
  that you never have a girlfriend like for all of those although those women who
• 1:46:13
  like Jesus, if your nails aren't cut below the ends of your fingers,
• 1:46:17
  yeah right and nicely filed. Yeah, you're not getting anywhere near my coach.
• 1:46:23
  Yeah, hopefully you're never getting anywhere near anybody's genitals, male or female.
• 1:46:28
  Okay, But my overall point is, at this stage we are looking
• 1:46:32
  at we are comparing the consequences of women's own choices. They made this choice,
• 1:46:39
  They chose to do this. They chose to engage in illegal behavior,
• 1:46:42
  anti social behavior, even though if it isn't recognized as illegal, like false
• 1:46:45
  accusations. They chose to leave the workplace, and they have found that there
• 1:46:51
  are significant consequences to their choices. We are comparing that as a woman's issue
• 1:46:58
  to men have choices forced on them, for example, a baby boy having
• 1:47:03
  circumcision forced on him, conscription being forced on men, selective service being forced
• 1:47:09
  on men, men not having the services they need as things to overcome the
• 1:47:15
  issues that all human beings face, like domestic and sexual violence and potential homelessness.
• 1:47:18
  Okay, and then also the fact that men are now not able to
• 1:47:25
  rise to the standard the standards of the average woman, which incidentally, sorry,
• 1:47:30
  doctor Peterson, the standards of the average women is evil. They are
• 1:47:34
  evil. They are evil, like objectively evil. We would have to again
• 1:47:41
  have a second Earth to accommodate the material standards of the average woman in terms
• 1:47:46
  of a partner's income, because you don't have just an income just to have
• 1:47:49
  the number in your bank. You have it so you can buy things.
• 1:47:54
  Well, we need another Earth to accommodate what women want from men in terms
• 1:47:58
  of being able to purchase yet, Okay, that is evil, right.
• 1:48:01
  They want things that the average man isn't capable of attaining. That is evil.
• 1:48:06
  I'm gonna go right out and say that this is evil. That you
• 1:48:11
  are applying evil standards into men, and it is an external standard that men
• 1:48:15
  have to live up to in order to get access to things that every social
• 1:48:18
  mammal wants, which is companionship and affection. Like social mammals, that's like
• 1:48:25
  food for them. It's more important in a lot of ways like food.
• 1:48:30
  You never do the experiment with the monkey and it has a choice between a
• 1:48:36
  wire mother and a mother covered and the wire mother is has the food and
• 1:48:44
  the other mother has the cover is covered in terry cloth. Yeah, which
• 1:48:48
  is absolutely a horrible experiment. Incidentally, I hope the people who did that
• 1:48:54
  feel bad about themselves. But the monkey will go and cuddle the terry claw
• 1:49:00
  mother even though she has no food, and even the it'll jump over,
• 1:49:06
  it'll jump over when it's when it's starving and drink the milk, and then
• 1:49:12
  it'll go right back to the terry cloth. And I'm pretty sure it would
• 1:49:15
  also starve itself to retain to stay with the terry cloth mother. I want
• 1:49:19
  people to think about that this is a need like affection, and we're complex
• 1:49:26
  social animal like humans. Affection and an understanding that your identity is positive in
• 1:49:31
  the world. These are critical things. Social dwarfism is a thing. Social
• 1:49:41
  dwarfism because you didn't get enough affection, if you didn't get any physical or
• 1:49:49
  social contact when you were a child, you will be shorter, sometimes to
• 1:49:58
  the point where you are classified as dwarf. I though honestly would say that
• 1:50:06
  you stop growing. I would say, I'm going to lay something out and
• 1:50:11
  I'm going to see what you guys think of it. I think that women's
• 1:50:16
  desires, if they want something more than an average man, that that is
• 1:50:27
  morally wrong. I mean in terms of if they have expectations beyond wanting just
• 1:50:34
  a man. Because if you think about it, evolutionarily, paira bonding species,
• 1:50:39
  that's spit, that's the wind condition for a pair of bonding species.
• 1:50:43
  Is it fair or should you get more than what the average man can provide?
• 1:50:49
  Because and I want I want to ASO point out something else. Those
• 1:50:54
  societies in which the average woman accepts what the average men can provide her are
• 1:51:01
  the most successful societies the most peaceful and the most prosperous. They Oh,
• 1:51:05
  they're the ones that engage in periods of growth. Yeah, they are the
• 1:51:11
  ones that grow. They're the ones that are peaceful, They're prosperous, they
• 1:51:14
  have the most place for the most people. So knowing that when women select
• 1:51:20
  or select for men, or decide that they are going to choose men or
• 1:51:27
  something above what the average man can provide them results in a society that is
• 1:51:32
  full of social chaos, violence, war, depredation, and poverty. Can
• 1:51:41
  I say that a woman wanting more than what an average man can provide her
• 1:51:46
  is evil? Well, I don't know. You can that, you can
• 1:51:49
  say she's evil. But what I can say is if what you want from
• 1:51:58
  that man is just to him to shower you with everything and you to lie
• 1:52:08
  back like an odalisk and absorb it and consume it, like there's a reason.
• 1:52:16
  Like Mike and I, my husband and I have we have money,
• 1:52:21
  we have we have savings, we have all that. Well, you know
• 1:52:27
  part of the reason is because we don't consume a lot. And we don't
• 1:52:31
  consume a lot because I the last time I bought clothes for myself was like
• 1:52:38
  a year ago, I bought another four tank tops and another pair of jeans,
• 1:52:45
  Like, I can't even remember the last time I bought shoes. So
• 1:52:51
  you have a situation where you have women who want to be kept and like
• 1:52:59
  I have friend and I yeah, but we're not evened. I berated her
• 1:53:04
  over this, but you know, she has those CARDI B nails and I'm
• 1:53:11
  like, what that? Like, how much did you pay for those?
• 1:53:18
  How much did you pay for those? Like? I don't I don't get
• 1:53:25
  how people can be so impractical and so demanding When I was growing up,
• 1:53:32
  right, and a lot of millennials and zoomers and stuff will say, well,
• 1:53:36
  you know, people, people in the sixties and seventies had so much
• 1:53:42
  easier. My parents' mortgage they got they got the freaking gold standard mortgage right
• 1:53:50
  after they lived with my mom's parents for two years, right, and they
• 1:53:58
  finally bought a house just after their first child was born. Their mortgage was
• 1:54:02
  six and a quarter percent, and they were lucky it was locked in for
• 1:54:08
  twenty years. They were lucky because by nineteen eighty five, when the neighbors
• 1:54:14
  moved in across the street, you could be paying twenty three percent. Okay,
• 1:54:23
  and my mom kept a garden. She freaking raised vegetables. She had
• 1:54:30
  vegetables and berries and all of that. They improved the house. They bought
• 1:54:34
  a starter house. They didn't sell it when they were ready to move on.
• 1:54:39
  They expanded it, they improved it right. All of that they put
• 1:54:44
  and they didn't pay people to come in and do it. They did it
• 1:54:48
  themselves. My mom cleared sod for a two car garage, cleared the ground,
• 1:54:55
  dug it out right by hand, hauled all that shit to the curb
• 1:55:00
  and dad then, my dad borrowed a truck from work and hauled it off
• 1:55:05
  to the dump, right, and then they poured the concrete. They built
• 1:55:10
  the garage, they framed it, they roofed it right. That's what they
• 1:55:14
  did, okay, and they retired millionaires. But they worked their fucking asses
• 1:55:26
  off. My dad marriage. My dad worked twelve hours a day as a
• 1:55:34
  heavy duty mechanic. My mom did bookkeeping part time for a couple of local
• 1:55:41
  businesses, and she babysat for money, and she fed local kids lunch for
• 1:55:49
  money, right, And that's how they lived the entire time I was grown
• 1:55:56
  up. I was six years old when I learned how to bake bread.
• 1:56:00
  I was ten years old before I tasted the store bought bread. Okay,
• 1:56:09
  I think you're not getting quite what I'm saying. No, what I'm getting.
• 1:56:13
  What I'm getting at is my mom married an average man and they both
• 1:56:19
  worked their asses off, and she didn't expect to be just taken care of.
• 1:56:28
  Yeah. Right, she worked her butt off even though she wasn't necessarily
• 1:56:32
  earning money, she was saving money. Yeah, and they built something together.
• 1:56:36
  And that's why a society in which an average woman chooses an average man
• 1:56:42
  on average is a very successful society. Okay, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:56:47
  And the society that the women are constructing through their choices is not going to
• 1:56:54
  be a successful society. And that's why I'm saying, can we call that
• 1:56:57
  evil? That we can call it evil, but I do think that we
• 1:57:02
  can call it stupid and self destructive. Okay, Well, maybe you have
• 1:57:06
  a problem with the word evil. I would go with evil. I would
• 1:57:10
  go with evil. Like why does the average woman think she deserves more than
• 1:57:15
  the average man? Why does the average woman think she deserves as much as
• 1:57:19
  Angelina Joe Lee? Yeah, or or even like yes, exactly why and
• 1:57:28
  why can't we say that to want anything more than the average man is.
• 1:57:34
  Okay, you say it's stupid and self destructive, and you're right. How
• 1:57:38
  about evil, I'm gonna I'm gonna say that if it's something that's going so
• 1:57:42
  profoundly, Like you can kill a person, sure, that's considered evil.
• 1:57:45
  You can rape a person, okay, how about raping and killing an entire
• 1:57:48
  civilization? Yeah, okay, it's evil. Fine, why when I win?
• 1:57:58
  Okay for about two hours? Do you want to uh, well,
• 1:58:03
  okay, let's see another one of these, because there there are some other
• 1:58:06
  good parts, but it's gonna be like another two hours. Yeah, no,
• 1:58:10
  I do. I do want to do another one of these. I
• 1:58:13
  want to hear more of what Brian Kaplan has to say. Yeah, he's
• 1:58:15
  interesting and uh and I want to hear hear a little more thrashing and struggling
• 1:58:25
  and draws from from very amusing. Yeah, no, I know it is.
• 1:58:30
  It is funny because I just want to say, you know, since
• 1:58:33
  we're on this, I definitely want to come back more around to do more
• 1:58:38
  of this. Brian Kaplan seems pretty pretty goaded in my opinion, but yeah,
• 1:58:45
  he's he's he's pretty goaded. But with Chris Williamson. We did another
• 1:58:50
  response video to a Chris Williams. I think it was the date psych one.
• 1:58:55
  I think we did two episodes of that right now. Someone I look
• 1:58:59
  through them while you guys were rambling on the YouTube videos. I didn't see
• 1:59:03
  it there, but it might might. Maybe it's for whatever reason it's hidden.
• 1:59:10
  We don't ever hide any comments or whatever, but sometimes YouTube does weird
• 1:59:14
  shenanigans. But it also might have been Yeah, but it also might have
• 1:59:18
  been a comment that somebody sent me in the discord, like maybe the show
• 1:59:25
  reviews channel or something, but they said that Chris Williamson, while he likes
• 1:59:30
  to discuss gender issues, feminism, men's issues, et cetera, it seems
• 1:59:36
  like he does everything that he can to avoid actually talking to like MRAs or
• 1:59:43
  people from the manisphere. And the reason is because I think that he's worried
• 1:59:47
  about the pr the optics of doing that he does have. I'm sure he's
• 1:59:51
  got feminists in his audience and all that, but I think that he has
• 1:59:56
  like this low opinion of the Manisphere as a whole. And I mean some
• 2:00:02
  of it on some people obviously is warranted, but but the what this result
• 2:00:08
  in is is that he avoids actually like talking to like the best people.
• 2:00:14
  And the reason why I'm bringing this up is because it's great that Brian Kaplan
• 2:00:17
  probably not a part of that, like you know, environment, but he's
• 2:00:21
  bringing all of the receipts that we bring and so now he can't he can't
• 2:00:27
  avoid it right like this it's here. Now I don't know this video.
• 2:00:30
  I don't know how many down downvotes of God or if there's like feminists freaking
• 2:00:34
  out in the comments or anything. I just glanced at it. We should
• 2:00:39
  maybe there was a lot of support Brian Kaplan's side, but that we should
• 2:00:44
  take a tackles through the comments after we finished going through the content. No,
• 2:00:46
  this guy is is based based and clear pilled because he's bringing all of
• 2:00:53
  the deep lore. Yeah, he's definitely, he's definitely. Uh he knows
• 2:01:01
  this shit and it is not fucky language. Yeah yeah, oh did you
• 2:01:12
  don language? I was doing a compliment, but yeah, well yeah,
• 2:01:20
  he's he's he's not. He's he's actually got a really good idea of what's
• 2:01:27
  going on, and what's going on is not it's not a thousand years old,
• 2:01:32
  it's not four thousand years old. It's not ten thousand years old.
• 2:01:36
  It's not even two million years old. What's going on right now is two
• 2:01:44
  to five million years old. Kevin, get out of the fucking kitchen language.
• 2:01:55
  Okay, she doesn't know how to behave Yeah, woman, she thinks
• 2:01:59
  she can get away with anything. Okay, So I'll do I'll do a
• 2:02:02
  shout out once again. We are doing our monthly fundraiser. I want to
• 2:02:06
  do a final thank you to everybody who supported. There hasn't been anybody new,
• 2:02:12
  so get it in the next couple of minutes if you want to thank
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  you on air. So we great Indoors gave us fifty. Math Freak gave
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  us one hundred. Yeah I know, I mean that was this is throughout
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  the show. I feel again one hundred, Meredith one hundred. So thank
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  you all to all of our very generous supporters once again. If you want
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  to, if you want to join them show, go to feed the Badger
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  dot com slash support and put something through. I see that we did get
• 2:02:41
  a super chow, so we probably should do that and then we will do
• 2:02:45
  a time check and maybe tomorrow sometimes tomorrow's Monday. Yeah, well I was
• 2:02:50
  gonna I'll ask you about it. Afterwards. But let me read the super
• 2:02:54
  Child first. Richard Bierre gives us five dollars through super Child. Thank you,
• 2:02:58
  Richard, and say is, women don't have to be satisfied with an
• 2:03:04
  average man. If John Cena on a podcast has admitted to getting jiggy with
• 2:03:09
  a woman who was overweight in the two hundred plus pounds range. I don't
• 2:03:13
  know if you want to play the John Cena sound for you, because he
• 2:03:16
  always asked for And I'll just I'll just point something out. I think that
• 2:03:25
  this experiment has indicated all of us why allowing women to have sex willy nilly,
• 2:03:33
  anyone, anyone is not a good thing because they will default to their
• 2:03:40
  mammalian programming, which is the biggest and baddest. Yeah, with whoever has
• 2:03:47
  the biggest rack of of of of Uh. You know, it's not just
• 2:03:57
  what you're saying. No, No, it's it's not just to where the
• 2:04:00
  biggest and baddest. It's also whoever has the most bitches, right, And
• 2:04:06
  they've shown this. They've shown this with multiple species. Right. I will
• 2:04:15
  draw your attention to the peregrine falcon experiment, Okay, where they stuck a
• 2:04:20
  male and a female peregrine falcon in together and she rejected him. She was
• 2:04:28
  just like now now, never, right, And then they brought in a
• 2:04:34
  bunch of taxidermized female peregrine falcons who were all looking adorably and they put them
• 2:04:44
  positioned them to all gaze adoringly at the male. And then the female was
• 2:04:50
  like, oh, maybe he has hidden depths that I didn't realize, and
• 2:04:58
  she was. She just presented her bottom and her tail feathers and they got
• 2:05:03
  it on because other women were attracted to him. Yeah, and that doesn't
• 2:05:10
  really depths. Oh yeah, no, no, and I don't I don't
• 2:05:16
  know if it's as if it's as hidden as the duck vagina. But also,
• 2:05:23
  enjoy your duck vagina at Christmas, Allison. It was corkscrew shaped.
• 2:05:30
  Okay, that that just used it to open a bottle of wine. That
• 2:05:33
  just made my potential enjoyment. That just reduced it significantly. Okay, yeah,
• 2:05:40
  because duck rape. Yeah, now I'm going to think about that.
• 2:05:44
  Okayguage button, but I wasn't sure to push it or not. But just
• 2:05:49
  don't don't don't worry, Allison. Duck rape is a less dire end than
• 2:05:59
  duck murder. Yeah, but if you think about it, Crispy Duck is
• 2:06:04
  duck murder. Yes, so you should. You're bad and you should feel
• 2:06:12
  bad. Okay, well that is always the takeaway. I've just wanted to
• 2:06:17
  say that what I mean by I think this is an illustration of allowing women
• 2:06:24
  to have sex with whoever they want. It just sort of goes the same
• 2:06:28
  way as allowing men whichever really happens anyway, But if you can imagine that
• 2:06:33
  if men had a choice, maybe they would all prefer to have sex with
• 2:06:38
  supermodels. Oh really, yeah, you know, like, honestly, did
• 2:06:43
  we think that this was gonna have an it? Okay? The takeaway is
• 2:06:46
  that women are mammals. They have base instincts just like men. They are
• 2:06:55
  immoral when they're not held to a standard, just like men. Okay,
• 2:07:00
  there is no angel in the house. The angel house was always a baboon,
• 2:07:09
  an estrous, inflamed ass. Okay, that was your angel, face
• 2:07:14
  it, Crest, that's your angel. Okay. I believe I believe they
• 2:07:21
  call it a sexual swelling. Yeah, whatever they call it, that's what
• 2:07:28
  our society basically has come down to. Yeah. I think it is the
• 2:07:33
  lowest common denominator of female instinct. Yeah. No, And there was a
• 2:07:40
  time, there was a time I think that like romance novels provided a stopgap,
• 2:07:45
  right, because there was a time back in the nineteen eighties or something,
• 2:07:49
  right when women who read romance novels were actually happier in their marriages than
• 2:07:58
  women who didn't. And I think it was just because it kept the motor
• 2:08:03
  running, right, you know, and it just kept them thinking about sex,
• 2:08:09
  and so therefore they were more interested in having sex. But in the
• 2:08:13
  nineteen eighties, you couldn't just have sex with just anyone. I mean like
• 2:08:18
  shocking up, living in sin, you know, being cohabiting without being married.
• 2:08:24
  That still was really frowned upon in the mid eighties, right, So
• 2:08:33
  women basically had one option, and it was their husbands. So they'd get
• 2:08:37
  themselves revved up, they'd get themselves all warmed up, the engines going,
• 2:08:41
  it's running, it's like ooh, you know, and then they'd go and
• 2:08:46
  they'd they'd do the deed with their husband, and it kept their marriages happier,
• 2:08:50
  and their marriages lasted longer, and and everybody was more satisfied. Right.
• 2:08:58
  Yeah, Because women were given the option of reading about people having sex,
• 2:09:09
  but weren't given the option of going out and doing it themselves willy nilly,
• 2:09:15
  which you know, maybe the fact is that maybe it should be a
• 2:09:18
  situation where a woman has to select a single man to have to be able
• 2:09:22
  to access the pleasure of sex. It would be nice, you know,
• 2:09:28
  maybe we should see it that way. I know that sort of sort of
• 2:09:31
  confuses conservatives. But maybe it's men's sexuality that tames women. Hmm. Maybe
• 2:09:41
  there you go. Maybe it's men's sexuality that takes that that screeching baboon with
• 2:09:46
  the esterson flamed ass cheeks and turns her into in the house. All right,
• 2:09:54
  it's a sexual swelling, Alison, it's estis inflamed ass cheek, Karen,
• 2:10:01
  No, it's cheeks. It's her vulva. Yeah, but it's vulva.
• 2:10:07
  Doesn't get inflamed. Okay, they get inflamed, they get read,
• 2:10:13
  they flush right, Yeah, No, it's the vulva that is the you
• 2:10:20
  know, no, I don't the puffy part. Okay, but but it's
• 2:10:26
  the butt that gets red. But the butt gets read. Okay, your
• 2:10:31
  cheeks get red when you're turned on. Okay, get something, Okay,
• 2:10:37
  everybody, I'm spruging out because you just don't understand the biology. Allison.
• 2:10:46
  It's just it's just an image, Karen. It's just like it's a vivid
• 2:10:50
  image. I'll be a baboons bare assed uncle. Yes, exactly. It's
• 2:10:54
  a vivid negative image, all right. So I'm just putting it out there.
• 2:11:01
  Maybe this is something conservatives can chew over. Men's sexuality cames women from
• 2:11:09
  the screeching baboon with the estrich inflamed ass cheeks and plus volva okayula into into
• 2:11:18
  the angel in the house. I just want them to choose over that,
• 2:11:22
  because I think that that's going to be a puzzle that will really make them
• 2:11:26
  think. I'm pretty sure feminists they just lost lost the ability to think it
• 2:11:33
  like conservative conservative men. Right. And here's here's the thing, right,
• 2:11:39
  there are rules, and they like the rules. And the rules have been
• 2:11:43
  around for a long time, yep, right, And and they like those
• 2:11:48
  rules. They don't necessarily understand why they work, right, so they'll they'll
• 2:11:54
  go like one layer deep, two layers deep, maybe three layers deep,
• 2:11:58
  to figure out why why are these rules? Why have they stood the test
• 2:12:03
  of time, why have they persisted? Right? But they don't realize how
• 2:12:13
  far back it goes. They think it goes back to the Bible, maybe
• 2:12:18
  to ancient Sumeria. Now, the Bible, the people who wrote the Bible
• 2:12:22
  watched the civilization fall apart, Yes, but maybe ancient Sumeria, right,
• 2:12:28
  maybe four and forty five hundred years ago? Right, Okay, maybe maybe
• 2:12:33
  that that far back right is how how they're thinking, right, And oh,
• 2:12:39
  these rules, these rules, they work real good, and so we
• 2:12:43
  should keep them because we're content with them, and we're happy with them because
• 2:12:46
  our conservative women also want to live by these guidelines, and so it's great,
• 2:12:52
  right, And then they don't realize that it it actually goes back a
• 2:13:01
  lot longer, and that the rules were established to overrit an older set of
• 2:13:11
  rules, and that older set of rules is two point five million years old
• 2:13:18
  or older, right, and the civilizational rules right, the advent of invested
• 2:13:28
  fatherhood, which occurred when we climbed down from the trees and took up residents
• 2:13:35
  on the plains, which is a plant nutrients scarce environment. And we had
• 2:13:43
  to actually engage in cooperative hunting because any animal that was roaming around was probably
• 2:13:48
  big enough to kill you if you were by yourself. Okay, all of
• 2:13:54
  and we didn't have fangs and claws. We just had apposable bumbs and somewhat
• 2:14:03
  advanced brains, you know, Like we were stuck in that situation having to
• 2:14:11
  survive. And and that meant pairing up. That meant pairing up, yep.
• 2:14:22
  Yeah. And if you didn't, if you didn't pair up right,
• 2:14:26
  well, your babies didn't survive. And like, if you didn't invest in
• 2:14:31
  your offspring, your babies didn't survive. And if you didn't cooperate with the
• 2:14:35
  other males, nobody survived. Mm hmm. And and that was where we
• 2:14:43
  were. And that's where that layer of new rules got overlaid on top of
• 2:14:50
  the old ones. The old ones were the biggest, baddest, most sexiest,
• 2:14:56
  brad pittish dude. It is like who I'm going to present to every
• 2:15:03
  single time I'm an estress. Like even everything boobs, permanent boobs, uh,
• 2:15:11
  cryptic ovulation right where where you can't tell when somebody's an estrous, when
• 2:15:18
  a woman's an estress. All of those things evolved to facilitate male cooperation with
• 2:15:22
  each other. Mm hm and uh. When women decide to shirk their side
• 2:15:28
  of the bargain, we get a civilization collapse, which is why I say
• 2:15:33
  it's evil. I don't want to put it out there. I know,
• 2:15:37
  I don't know you said it, Okay, I know't like I don't like
• 2:15:41
  the word eviral language, but I mean it. You're stupid and self destructive.
• 2:15:46
  Yeah, but it's not just self destructive, it's destructive to the future.
• 2:15:52
  Yes, this is this is really what I want women to think about.
• 2:15:56
  Why do you deserve more and an average man? You know, Pearl
• 2:16:01
  gets a lot of shit, but I think that's really what it comes down
• 2:16:05
  to. Every every offensive thing she's saying is why do you deserve more than
• 2:16:11
  an average man? Why do you deserve a better man or what you think
• 2:16:15
  is a better man than your grandma? Yeah, and when your grandma,
• 2:16:20
  you know, chose her man in her early twenties and was married by her
• 2:16:24
  mid twenties and hadn't had sex with a whole bunch of other men. You
• 2:16:28
  know, we didn't invent sex in gen X. Okay, so I'm sure
• 2:16:33
  that in the Boomers and the Silent generation and the war generation, they were
• 2:16:37
  always text before marriage. I've gone weddings all the time. Yeah. But
• 2:16:43
  and she might have had uh, you know, a lover outside of marriage
• 2:16:46
  or before before she got married, or she might have had a husband who
• 2:16:50
  died or something, or she might she might have had a husband who she
• 2:16:54
  only married because she got knocked up. Yeah, but regardless, they made
• 2:17:00
  it work. She got an average man. Why do you deserve more like?
• 2:17:05
  And this is what Pearl I think is really poking at. Oh yeah,
• 2:17:09
  that's why they hate her. Yeah, it's why they hate her.
• 2:17:11
  And I mean I wouldn't take the route of the body, the number of
• 2:17:16
  people you've slept with, or how you look or whatever. I would take
• 2:17:22
  the route of do you think that you are what do you think you're entitled
• 2:17:28
  to? Well, not just entitled, just listen. Do you think that
• 2:17:31
  you understand men better than your grandma? Do you think that you are willing
• 2:17:37
  to provide something to a man like your grandma would? Oh? No?
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  Do you think you have the morals of your grandma? Do you think you
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  have the dedication to family that your grandma had? Whether or not your grandma
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  was a working woman or a stay at home she was more dedicated to family
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  than the vast majority of girls or women out there. And I don't mean
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  just children, I mean the people that you have taken responsibility for, including
• 2:18:03
  your potential husbands. Are you dedicated to them? Okay, do you have
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  any any husband? Husband? And mother in law? My grandmother, she
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  she and her my grandfather took in his mother. Uh. She had a
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  leg amputated from uh type one diabetes and she needed care and her husband had
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  a stroke. And when he was able to get out of the hospital,
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  grandparents, he's still he was still basically a vegetable, just completely incapable of
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  functioning. But my grandparents removed the dining room table and stuck a hospital bit
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  in there so that my grand a great grandmother could take care of him.
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  And uh, then they took care of her. And uh. Then my
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  grandmother took care of my grandfather after he had an aneurysm and a stroke and
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  basically his last seven years he could barely speak. He could speak, but
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  yeah, hard time getting it out. And and she looked after him at
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  home when he was in that condition. And it's like, yeah, no,
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  like would would yea would would a woman? Would would today's woman do
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  that? No? She would be like, what you want your mother,
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  and you want your mother and your father to move in and your father's a
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  vegetable, and your mother's a cripple, right, and you want them to
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  move in with us? Yeah, no, no divorce. So what do
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  you bring to the table. I'm not even like Pearl will focus on superficialities.
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  I focus on deeper things. How much respect, trust, and how
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  much loyalty do you bring to the table at this point compared to your grandma?
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  And now you want an even better man than she got because she got
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  an average man. I guarantee it, and that and this is this is
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  the problem that I see with all the conservatives who are like, just wife
• 2:20:31
  up these women. These aren't women well, and with whom and with whom?
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  Yeah, it's like this is not this is not a good deal for
• 2:20:43
  men. That's not just not a good deal, it's not even a and
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  it's not even a tenable deal because if these men were able to wife these
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  women up, our ecological crisis would be over in a couple of years,
• 2:20:56
  Like our environment would just give out because we just don't have the material sources
• 2:21:01
  to make these men attractive. What is expected for the bride price is so
• 2:21:07
  high at this point, we need another earth. So it's just not tenable.
• 2:21:11
  It's insane and the fact that women today are asking or extorting the future.
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  They're basically saying, we're gonna hold the future hostage unless you give into
• 2:21:24
  our demands thirty three point six trillion. Yeah, give in to our demands
• 2:21:33
  for unobtainable things like enough material to provide enough material goods that we need another
• 2:21:41
  earth for it. Plus men need to be significantly better than average for us
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  even to consider them like this is ridiculous, it's insane. This is the
• 2:21:54
  poor of Babylon. That's what you're staring at. Compurgatives are like, oh,
• 2:21:58
  why can't you wife what the horror of Babylon? Well, because she's
• 2:22:01
  the horror of Babylon. You can't. You literally can't. That's like,
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  you know what. That's what's really interesting about the Bible and about the Wisdom,
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  because again, these people watched a civilization go up in flames. They
• 2:22:18
  watched that, they watched the ends of the Bronze Age, okay, and
• 2:22:22
  they saw what made it go up in flames. And there's a reason why
• 2:22:28
  they used the terminology the horror of Babylon. Okay. It's because women's choices
• 2:22:35
  made those civilizations go up in flames. Women's desire to be in a harem
• 2:22:39
  and not even have sex with the biggest peacock on the block, but just
• 2:22:43
  be in his like orbits vicinity the biggest peacock on the block. Okay,
• 2:22:52
  that is part of what made the civilization fall into flames. Okay, that
• 2:22:58
  is the War of Babylon. That is the mythologic mythologization of women's negative desires
• 2:23:07
  and how they impact a civilization in a destructive way. And this is what
• 2:23:15
  you're asking men to wife up. Yeah, yeah, no. And the
• 2:23:22
  thing is that the thing is that people like Alex Syke, these these these
• 2:23:28
  aren't these desires by women should not be indulged. Risk adverse men should not
• 2:23:33
  have to change. I'm gonna put I'm gonna say that. And the reason
• 2:23:39
  why I say that is because risk adverse men are not just adverse to risks
• 2:23:43
  to themselves, they are adverse to risks to others. So if you want
• 2:23:48
  to change risk adverse men into less risk adversemen, I want to point something
• 2:23:52
  out. Not every man who's less risk adverse is a soldier or a fireman
• 2:23:58
  or an up standing cop. Right. A lot of yeah, a lot
• 2:24:03
  of them are criminals. Yeah, a lot of them are horrible, horrible
• 2:24:07
  people and risk adverse men who have aversion to risk towards others. Okay,
• 2:24:13
  so when we're looking at approaching women, it's not just a risk to rejection,
• 2:24:18
  it's also the risk of making her have an uncomfortable experience or making her
• 2:24:24
  feel threatened and afraid. And men don't like to do that. Those risk
• 2:24:28
  adverse men are risk adverse to her risks. Right, do you really want
• 2:24:35
  them to overcome that? Because the only way that risk adverse men overcome that
• 2:24:41
  sense that desire to ameliorate the risks of the people in their social group,
• 2:24:46
  the women in their social group, is by detaching from that social group and
• 2:24:52
  no longer regarding themselves as part of it. You push risk adverse men into
• 2:24:56
  becoming less risk adverse. The the only way you do it is by alienating
• 2:25:01
  them from the people that they are concerned about so that they no longer care.
• 2:25:07
  Right, that's that's that whole thing where you push a man, the
• 2:25:11
  men who just want to get along to get along, you know, you
• 2:25:15
  just push and push and push them until the point where you break them,
• 2:25:20
  Yeah, right, from recognizing society as anything that they're part of. And
• 2:25:24
  when you put them into that point. You're not going to like what happens,
• 2:25:28
  Alex Sich. You're not gonna like it at all, right, none
• 2:25:33
  of us are, because that's where the sea people come from. Well that's
• 2:25:39
  where that's where doublers are right now. But rumble rant, I got a
• 2:25:45
  rumble rant. I'm going to read it. Nova one gives the dollar and
• 2:25:48
  says, hey, hol's and I think the feminist commune you talked about was
• 2:25:52
  in Novia de Cordiero in Brazil. It barely mentions a woman majority route dating
• 2:25:58
  back to twenty ten. Where did you find it? Oh? No,
• 2:26:03
  that was me that brought that up. But yeah, I can't I can't
• 2:26:07
  answer to that. Okay, do we sound alike? He maybe he just
• 2:26:11
  got your names mixed up. Thank you, Nova fan for the rumble.
• 2:26:15
  Rand appreciate it. Yeah, I knew. I knew it was in some
• 2:26:16
  South American country. I thought it was in Brazil, but I thought it
• 2:26:20
  might have been in Peru or Columbia or something. But it's been it's been
• 2:26:26
  years, and they they were basically needing men to come and perform labor.
• 2:26:37
  Okay, all right, all right, So I mean there's there's some I
• 2:26:41
  wonder if people understand what I'm saying about pushing risk adverse men too to be
• 2:26:48
  less risk ad verse. And oftentimes I mean the average risked verse man is
• 2:26:52
  still less risk adverse than the average woman. All right, So, and
• 2:26:56
  I think from having talked to risk verse men, I think a huge component
• 2:27:01
  of their risk of version is also fear of what they can do the consequences
• 2:27:07
  of their actions onto others. So if you push them into a situation where
• 2:27:11
  they abandon that, nobody's going to enjoy that. Nobody like guess that is
• 2:27:18
  the option. We we want people to pair up and have children. Of
• 2:27:22
  course, if we can't get that, we do not want to push risk
• 2:27:26
  averse men who still care about risks to the greater society and other people in
• 2:27:31
  it, into becoming not risk reverse. We don't want that, Alex Syke,
• 2:27:37
  We really don't want that. That is, you know, the bad
• 2:27:39
  outcome is we all just sort of face a demographic winter. The worst outcome
• 2:27:45
  is that we face a demographic winter with a gigantic population of sea people stealing
• 2:27:50
  our shit and breaking our cheese wheels. Okay, what are cheese wheels?
• 2:27:58
  All right? So right, we've gone for two and a half hours.
• 2:28:01
  You guys want to like, yeah, I'm done. I'm good, I'm
• 2:28:05
  done. I've granted a lot. I just want to remind everyone we're doing
• 2:28:09
  our monthly fundraiser. I know, I'm I'm really out there. I guess
• 2:28:13
  I'm like saying things that are pretty extreme. I suppose Oh yeah, no,
• 2:28:18
  we're all very scared of you now, Alison, I'm an extremist of
• 2:28:24
  some stripe. I think I think what I'm saying is logical as far as
• 2:28:26
  I can tell. I think, so societies follow women's choices and men yes,
• 2:28:35
  And when women make the choices that they're making right now, societies fall.
• 2:28:41
  And that is what is meant by the horror of Babylon in the Bible.
• 2:28:48
  Okay, And I am amazed that the people who are even you know,
• 2:28:52
  like, I'm not a Christian, mostly because I don't want to identify
• 2:28:56
  with the Church. But I'm amazed that people who devote themselves supposedly to the
• 2:29:01
  the study of the Bible would ever tell men to wife up the horror of
• 2:29:05
  Babylon, Like, can you at very least say, realize that that's almost
• 2:29:11
  an impossible task. Oh yeah, that's like asking a man to uh,
• 2:29:16
  excavate a mountain with a spoon. Good luck. You know that's clean latrine
• 2:29:22
  with a toothbrush. Well, that can be done. Clean a city's sewer
• 2:29:31
  system with a toothbrush. Oh okay, yeah, entire sewer system top to
• 2:29:35
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