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  Turnbuckles and stogies. Yo, what is up?
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  What is up? Good morning.
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  Good morning. Happy Sunday morning.
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  It is me, the BIGDO GB. OSSDOG, baby.
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  Both spots. Let's just get right into it.
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  I'm here with my son, the Vanilla Gorilla, and my man, my
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  best friend, the OG cigar tender.
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  What is up everybody? How's everybody Sunday going?
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  Good morning. What is Morning?
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  What is up so? Today we have a special guest
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  with us. We're going to start the show
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  early because we told him to bring him on and you know, he's
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  been in the box since, I don't know, 7:45, so.
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  Something like that. We're going to wrestle.
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  That's Jesse from Apex Wrestling at the.
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  Owner. The owner of Apex Wrestling out
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  of North Carolina and Jesse, we're going to, we're going to
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  come right back to you. We normally start our show
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  talking about wrestling. And cigars.
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  And then we take it over to our interview.
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  Take it over to you. So give us a few minutes, We'll
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  be right there. So hey.
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  What do you got to do, man? I'm just happy to be here.
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  OG What are you smoking today? Yeah, I got nothing lit up right
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  now. Well then you're you're behind
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  the 8 ball. Uh.
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  Oh well, I'm still recovering from a little bit of a cold.
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  Just got my voice back today, so I got to ease back into it a
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  little bit. OK.
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  Yeah, me too. I'm smoking the McAuliffe Torsa,
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  the orders, Churchill Box pressed.
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  And I'm smoking McAuliffe. Yes.
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  Nice. The these are, I believe they're
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  naturals is the wrapper. This is just another brand that,
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  as you know, Gee, you can't find in New York.
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  It's very hard to find. Very very hard to find.
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  Matter of fact, you got to order online.
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  Well, no, no. When you come down, we can go to
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  Kevin. So he has.
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  I'll take you to Connecticut. When you come down, we'll go out
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  there. You just bring your.
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  Credit card to be a A. Kid in the candy store.
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  I told you that. Before Yeah, it's gonna.
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  It's gonna cost a little bit of money for you, but you'll.
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  Enjoy it, you'll be like. Wow, I didn't see these in that
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  store. I didn't see these in that
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  store. I didn't see these.
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  You don't work, I would like. To I mean, you know me, you know
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  me. I'm a cheapskate.
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  I don't spend anything when I go down.
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  Right guys. Yeah, No, not at all.
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  No, not. At all?
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  Not at all. I will tell you that I did go
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  looking for the Bloche Blvd. By West Tampa.
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  The kids said it hadn't shipped yet.
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  I know it it it's out because stores have it.
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  Just don't know if he's gotten it yet.
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  The owner wasn't there, so I couldn't ask him because I I
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  did. That was my sole purpose for
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  going there yesterday was to go see if I can get my hands on
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  that because I've been really, really, really interested in it.
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  But the guy said it didn't ship, although he does have the new
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  Cinco, Cinco de Cinco, the Hoya de Nicaragua with a green label.
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  He does that. He does have that.
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  I did see it. I didn't pick it up.
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  So let's talk. So tell me about the Tell me
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  about those smokes you got lit up.
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  Tell me a little bit about it. What kind of wrapper?
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  What's the what are the notes you getting from it?
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  Mccaliff. Is McAuliffe is a rich gentleman
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  out of Texas. He's been doing this, jeez, 34
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  to 50 years. But his cigars, I found, you
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  know what? I found them on Facebook.
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  And we went to a event about four years ago out in
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  Pennsylvania. We went to a warehouse that
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  doesn't open to the public. They open to the public on Black
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  Friday. So what did I do?
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  I bought tickets. We left here, I don't know, 5:30
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  in the morning. 4 hour ride. We got out there by 8.
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  There were already people sitting in their chairs.
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  So what I do, I pulled up my chair, whipped out the liquor
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  and started smoking. And then we go inside.
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  We go inside the warehouse and you know, that's where we met
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  half the people that we know. Actually, you know when we did
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  was the first time we had these was I was just thinking about
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  it. It was that was where we were
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  able to pick them up. The first time we had it was
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  smoke in was there cigar the month club bag.
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  Cigar the Month Club. I think it was the the Modifina.
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  This is a A I'm going to say it's a natural rapper.
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  Let me let me pull it up and and get you the correct stuff
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  because I I I think it's a natural.
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  I don't know much about this smoke as far as like binder
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  filler, you know, I I never really looked into it but.
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  You know what? As far as I know, it's a natural
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  rapper. This is their, their, but one of
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  their budget smokes their everyday 5-6 dollar cigars.
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  You know, just like just like this one here is the the A, this
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  is their 6 by 60. It's the same thing.
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  It's like 5 to 8 bucks a stick and.
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  For you guys that don't know, they just they just merged with
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  all sandwich, just merged with McCallum.
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  I just happen to have, you know, in my hand, out of pure, just
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  pure luck. I just happen to have that in my
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  hand. Who knew?
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  I don't think anybody believes that it's.
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  Just the thing. I don't believe that.
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  Otherwise I'd be a fucking millionaire.
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  He's he's out of he's out of Texas.
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  He's an older guy you know great smoke.
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  He puts, he has a a collection that he put the together.
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  It's called the Macaliph Collection and it's all the just
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  cigars that he smokes. Well, a lot of that.
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  There are some that are that were made for him, right.
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  There's then the rest of them are like kind of his his legacy
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  lines, which is like the the Leyonda I believe the Torsadores
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  which is like A they're Torsadores which is what we're
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  smoking is they're like they're bundled smoke.
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  It's their bundle stick which is usually 20 to 25 a bundle.
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  But I mean for 5-6 bucks a stick, I went one day and picked
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  up all their different sizes. I think it cost me 3050 bucks
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  for like 6 cigars for all of their their torso doors.
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  But the the A, the A comes in at Churchill which was the first
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  size that I had of the the A, which is a a Maduro, it's they
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  come in boxes. They also come in bundles but
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  you know it's it's one of those cigars that when I went to that
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  shop, the owner who knows me well enough doesn't hold
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  anything back from me. He's he's just like I am.
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  You know, when it comes to certain cigars, he tells you how
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  it is. And even he said to me, he goes,
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  you should, you should pick that up and try that.
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  He goes, 'cause you can't go wrong with it.
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  And you know, I that was the only size I was smoking.
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  And then we went yesterday again.
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  Just and why another? Year can become an ambassador
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  for Macau. If you just got to sign up.
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  Yes, they. Send you a coin.
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  I got 2 coins. I have an embarrassing it twice.
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  I have a coin for it somewhere I have to find it.
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  I got mine. I got mine somewhere.
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  Yeah, I have a Macau of coin somewhere.
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  I don't remember where it is. It's in one of my many
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  collections of bags and swag and whatever else you want to say
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  that I have. I have a whole table full of
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  stuff next to my humidor cutters, lighters, ashtrays,
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  boxes, cigar stands, patches, poker chips.
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  But this is this is a good cigar.
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  I like, OK, So what? We are smoking.
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  I'm going to give you the Churchill brand, but it's.
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  Well, it's the same thing either.
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  Way. So it's a mile or medium
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  strength. The torpedoes are 6 by 52 and
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  the Churchill is a 7 by 54. The Rapids of San Andreas,
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  Sumatra, the bonders, Honduras and the Phyllis, Nicaraguan
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  Republic, Dominican Republic and Peru.
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  That's these. Or do these come into Maduro?
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  No, that's them. Oh, see, I didn't even know that
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  these were. Yes.
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  I didn't know that. They were in San Andreas.
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  It's a San Andreas. Sumatra I thought these were a
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  natural. Honduras find the Nicaragua,
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  Dominican Republic and Peru filler.
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  That's why those who are good. For those who haven't had
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  Macaliff, I would. I would suggest seeing if you
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  can get your hands on them. I know smoking sells them.
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  I believe Famous might even sell them, but they're they don't.
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  They're in a lot of retailers, but they're they're very hard to
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  get a hold of, if that makes any sense.
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  So now let's get into a little bit of wrestling.
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  So Jay and Jimmy USO can now do the yeet it's been it's been
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  satisfied which means they gave the guy some money.
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  That's what that means to me. What do you think, OG?
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  Yeah, you know it's this whole bloodline thing is really
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  interesting. I didn't think Jay had it in him
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  to kind of be an individual star.
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  I always thought that maybe he was the guy that always needed
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  people around him, a bloodline, A tag partner.
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  But man, Jay proved me wrong, man.
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  He got the money when he went to Raw and he's he's living up to
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  everything that he, you know, he personally believed in himself.
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  And I got, I don't know. I I'm not sure how many people
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  believed in him at first but man when he we he went on his own on
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  Raw he just took off. And I'm a believer now.
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  I believe in, well, in Jay. You know, the Bloodline is
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  probably the greatest faction in, I won't go as far to say all
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  of wrestling ever, but definitely in WWE in my opinion.
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  Yeah, I mean, that's kind of where I got my stand on Jay.
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  I'm not really sure on the others yet.
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  I still think Roman Reigns needed the Bloodline.
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  Roman Reigns needs Paul Heyman. I, I, I, I'm just not a believer
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  in Roman Reigns. Good, but even when he was with,
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  even when he was with the other group.
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  The Shields. He needed the shield.
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  Yeah. You.
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  Noticed Daniel Bryan? No, not Daniel.
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  Dean Ambrose. Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins
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  are the ones that did like the interviews and stuff.
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  And. Back there, shook his head.
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  But I got to tell you, do you realize that the Samoan dynasty
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  is the biggest family in professional wrestling today?
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  Oh yeah, I listen, I. That's.
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  That's one. Bigger than them.
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  Yeah, I I, you know, I'm not arguing that.
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  I'm I'm just talking about my particular views on Roman
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  Reigns. I mean you look at all the
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  Champions that have been in wrestling over the years.
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  Yeah, you know, you had guys like Rick Flair.
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  Rick really didn't need anybody to intervene in his matches and
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  help him out, did he? From time to time, Absolutely.
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  I mean manager. Because Rick could talk right
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  around anybody and everybody. It didn't matter where you were.
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  It it took the WWE Universe to really come around to Roman
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  Reigns and listen I I get it you know he's got a pretty smile you
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  know he he's a good looking Samoan.
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  I mean you know hey but if you want to talk about champion,
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  like who champions are and what champions represent in wrestling
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  in my opinion Roman Reigns is not it.
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  They oversell he. Does not defend it like he
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  should. And you know most champions that
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  are champions. And we can go back to Dusty
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  Rhodes, we can go back to Ric Flair, we can go back to Sting.
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  We can go back to Blackjack, Mulligan and all them guys.
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  They didn't need a mouthpiece. They they word of mouthpiece
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  they might have had. Listen, you might have had
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  classy Freddie Blass, a God rest his soul.
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  I love him. A man of death.
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  I met him several times, him and Lou and Lou's.
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  My Uncle Lou, he's. Lou was like an uncle to me,
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  man. My Uncle Lou is, is.
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  He was the man. And Uncle Lou would tell you,
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  shut up, I got this. And then all he would tell you
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  is say one word and that's it. And you say that one word.
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  Ox Baker. I had ox Baker.
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  Yeah, you know. Up in, they're just a mess.
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  And and let me tell you, Ox, Baker's standing there, he's
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  calling the shots. He's like put him in a headlock,
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  body slam him, he's throwing out and I'm standing there like,
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  holy shit, he's like throwing, he's throwing the spots out.
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  And but that was the late, great ox Baker.
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  He didn't care. He didn't.
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  Care. Well, listen, I think I here and
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  listen, I'm going to be blackballed for this and people
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  won't like what I have to say about this.
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  But Hulk Hogan tarnished his name and who he was in my
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  opinion, as a champion that won clean.
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  And you know when he started his faction with.
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  What was it? NWO like, listen, Hogan was a
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  great champion. He didn't need NWOI mean, I know
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  they were trying to turn him heel, I get that.
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  But, you know, listen, he he that's what it was.
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  Yeah, I know. But what am I saying is, for
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  Hogan, he didn't need that. So, so now now here's.
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  Here's my hulkamania is bigger than NWO.
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  Hulkamania was but you? Got to change with the times.
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  What's the one thing that Hogan never did?
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  Never became a heel. Hogan never turned heel, and
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  that's because. Vince.
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  Vince. I don't think he needed to.
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  Vince made him a man. I don't.
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  Think he needed to? I personally think him being a
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  face was great. He ran the company for so long
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  he was a mega *. When he became Mr. USA.
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  When he turned, when he turned heel in the 90s in the
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  northwest, I mean look, they turned.
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  They turned Kevin Nash and Scott Hall heel along with Hogan.
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  All they ever were were baby faces.
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  They went to heel and I think personally it added to their
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  legacy because it showed they could do both sides.
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  Listen, I see that point of view.
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  I'm not saying you're wrong. I just, I disagree.
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  I think the A. Heel when he.
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  Was I know, I know. Economics and then like like Jim
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  Cornette said on a podcast a while back, I think it was
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  Jericho's podcast. You know, Cena's a baby face.
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  So somebody asked him why won't they ever turn Cena heel?
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  And like he said, just like holy, if I was their banker in
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  the WWEI wouldn't want them to turn him heel, right?
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  Because if you turn him heel, you might lose all those merch
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  sales and those millions and millions and millions of dollars
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  that I'm sure he's making them without even being there, right?
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  Now, well, I I just think there's there's characters over
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  time that that can hold who they are in their character for an
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  extended period times. I always felt like Hulk Hogan
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  was that guy. He didn't need to go healed.
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  He was Hulk Hogan, like the. Undertaker See how The
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  Undertaker changed with the time she went from The Undertaker to
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  to Dead Man. Oh, there's my buddy.
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  To badass to the brothers of Destruction.
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  So you know and and and and I watched the interview with Mark
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  and Mark said you know listen you and we've had this
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  conversation last week. OG you have to change with the
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  times because you know what? Listen, I could be big Dog for
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  25 years. I could come out with my uncle
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  stuff on the moon dog stuff. But guess what they don't want a
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  lot of these young kids don't know the moon dogs.
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  Now I got to change into their gimmicks.
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  I got to change into their. I got to change into what they
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  they. They see a pro wrestler as now,
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  you know what I mean? So I got.
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  To come out. Yeah.
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  Listen, I I don't disagree with what you're saying.
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  I'm saying they're just characters over time in in pick
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  the wrestling brand that are so, so captivating and universal.
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  Like Hulk Hogan didn't need to. I mean yes, at times he he, he
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  switched to quote UN quote like heel.
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  But never the extreme of NWO. Hulk Hogan didn't need NWO.
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  He could have been a bad guy on his own.
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  He didn't. He didn't need a faction to help
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  him with that, in my opinion. Rich Coupe just said NWO helped
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  so many wrestlers get noticed and added to their carriers.
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  Hulk Hogan started that or doing what he did as a * and he pushed
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  a lot of wrestlers, which is true.
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  He did. He pushed a lot of wrestlers.
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  I mean, he pushed guys that weren't going to get a push.
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  You know what I mean? I don't disagree with any of it.
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  Does anybody remember that Hulk Hogan used to work on the docks?
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  And you know who found him? The person that found him
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  brought him in. He was a dock worker.
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  He was fucking slinging hay and all that shit you put on the
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  boats and he found him and said I think you'd be a great
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  professional wrestler and he goes, ah, you know, and they go,
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  what's your name? He goes Terry Bolia.
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  They go, no, no, we got to change that and that's how they
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  came up with Hulk Hogan, you know, and.
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  I mean, yeah, listen again, I'm not.
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  I'm not. I'm not telling anybody that
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  they're wrong. I'm not saying that, you know
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  I'm correct. I'm just giving you my point of
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  view that Hulk Hogan's one of those.
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  Characters in my. Opinion that did not need to do
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  that. I go back to I'm an old guy.
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  I let you know. Here's a guy who didn't have to
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  do that either. Superstar Billy Graham.
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  He was superstar Billy Graham. He didn't need any other gimmick
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  than who he was. You could say the same.
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  That's my that's just my point with Hogan.
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  You could say the same. Thing in Ventura or.
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  Jesse Ventura So like my man. Apex said he said they tried to
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  turn Hogan heel when he went up against the rock, but Hogan came
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  out and the crowd treated him like a babyface.
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  Him and the Rock swapped rolls in that Prince.
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  And that's a great conversation here.
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  We will hear about that. So on that note, ladies and
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  gentlemen, we got to take a commercial break.
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  Yo, do me a favor. Ring that bell?
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  I'm wearing my belt. I'm in mine.
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  at MBR Radio. Welcome back, welcome back.
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  So we are back Boss Dog, Big Dog, the OG Cigar Pender and the
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  one and only Vanilla Gorilla. And today we are joined by the
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  CEO, the Founder and a veteran of the United States, Mr., Jesse
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  himself from Apex Championship Wrestling at a New Bern, North
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  Carolina. Jesse, how you doing today,
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  brother? I'm doing good.
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  I think you're giving me a little too too much credit with
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  the CEO portion though, I gotta say.
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  Well, hey, you own it. So you're the CEO brother.
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  I mean, unless the wife has a stake in this thing, you know,
• 23:35
  then you know. Well, she's married to me.
• 23:37
  She has a stake in everything, so I mean.
• 23:39
  She's the boss. Yeah, exactly.
• 23:42
  Exactly. So tell us a little bit about
• 23:46
  yourself and the Federation. Well, I don't even know where to
• 23:52
  begin to tell, tell about myself, honestly.
• 23:54
  You know, I'm just a big nerd, really.
• 23:57
  That's and a big ball of it. I'm just a nerd.
• 24:00
  I'm. A nerd.
• 24:06
  No, I I pretty much come from nothing.
• 24:09
  And I'm pretty much still come from nothing, you know, Always
• 24:14
  had a hard time growing up with my dad, jumping from place to
• 24:17
  place, you know, watching him have his own businesses and then
• 24:23
  having to close them down for one reason or another.
• 24:29
  But yeah, man, I just love life. I, I treat it to the fullest.
• 24:32
  Man, that's that's pretty much me.
• 24:34
  You know, I'm, I'm the biggest teddy bear you can meet.
• 24:36
  Or I could be your worst enemy at the same time, you know.
• 24:39
  So I mean. Well, thank you for your
• 24:44
  service, brother. I appreciate it.
• 24:46
  What's? What branch were you in, my
• 24:47
  friend? I was army, I was in the
• 24:49
  infantry. Fantastic.
• 24:52
  I was not in the infantry, but I was in the Army as well.
• 24:55
  I was in the medical field. I worked in the operating and in
• 24:57
  the mass units. Well, there's no more mass units
• 24:59
  anymore, but that's what I was. That's how long ago I was in the
• 25:04
  military. I was actually, I went from from
• 25:08
  Army to Army Reserves and I was actually here in Albany.
• 25:11
  We were in the very last mass unit, the 364 thought of Albany,
• 25:16
  which disbanded. I think.
• 25:19
  I can't even tell you when 10 plus years ago.
• 25:21
  But anyway, I just want to thank you for your service and go
• 25:24
  Army. Yeah.
• 25:25
  They beat Navy. Oh, yes.
• 25:27
  Let's talk about that game. Let's talk about that game,
• 25:30
  that. In a little while, hold.
• 25:32
  On. So let's talk about that day and
• 25:34
  being that we got two Army vets on here.
• 25:36
  So, yo, what do you think of that quarterback daily?
• 25:41
  That kid is a beast now. I will, I think, but keep
• 25:45
  running. Yeah, I will be the first to
• 25:47
  admit that I could not watch the game yesterday.
• 25:51
  I was keeping track of the score, but from what I hear, I
• 25:56
  mean, I heard good things all around and some bad things, but
• 26:00
  I heard good things all around. You know the the top part about
• 26:06
  any of the branch college football teams are the fact that
• 26:11
  the talent pool is kind of thinned down a little bit from
• 26:14
  the military. You don't have that broad
• 26:16
  exposure that the rest of college football has.
• 26:21
  But that being said, if these any of the branches to get their
• 26:26
  act together and we're you know recruit some athletes and they
• 26:30
  could really make a splash in in college football.
• 26:33
  The army man, I watched 3/4 of of that game and Army defense is
• 26:40
  actually pretty silent for a bunch of no neighbors and the
• 26:44
  quarterback is really solid. The problem is he doesn't have
• 26:47
  any other pieces around him. So he's got to kind of you know
• 26:50
  they kind of build that offerings around Dinkin and
• 26:53
  Duncan. A lot of running.
• 26:54
  Army does a lot of running and it's going to be tough.
• 26:59
  Yeah, you. Know you know, OG now is part of
• 27:04
  the Big 10 starting next year. Yeah, it's crazy to think
• 27:07
  they're going to. Be part of the Big 10 next.
• 27:09
  Year. The Big 10 is a deep conference.
• 27:12
  Part of the. Big 10, the Big 10 is a is a
• 27:14
  deep and and it's a deep. I'm going to be, I'm going to be
• 27:19
  torn when they go up against Michigan, I'll tell you that I.
• 27:22
  Was just going to say not only is it a deep conference, it's a
• 27:26
  strong conference, It's a. Very strong.
• 27:29
  It's. Loaded with teams.
• 27:32
  Morning, Bernie. Yeah.
• 27:33
  Bernie, my man, what's up? So let's get back to my man
• 27:36
  Jesse here. So Jesse, so who trained you and
• 27:42
  how long you've been wrestling? So I was originally trained by
• 27:49
  Charles Durning, who's my name is, is Draven Blaze.
• 27:56
  His father was Jesse Dernig. He.
• 28:00
  I don't know if there was multiple, I can't remember at
• 28:02
  the top of my head, but he at one point played the dark
• 28:04
  patriot in the WCW, at one point his father, so I was trained by
• 28:12
  him. And Charles Dernig is also a
• 28:13
  fellow Army veteran as well. But you know, he did real good
• 28:21
  with me. He got me started got me going.
• 28:26
  I had nothing but respect for the man.
• 28:29
  Actually after a while I had to I kind of give it up because at
• 28:33
  the time my my daughter's mother when I was still with her and my
• 28:37
  father kept saying, well you know you got you need to get out
• 28:40
  of it. It's a it's a real dumb way to
• 28:41
  make money. You know this that the other
• 28:43
  thing and I was like oh whatever, you know make
• 28:46
  everybody happy leave it for for a little while.
• 28:49
  Then I moved down here and I met one of my good friends and he
• 28:55
  was starting his own promotion. But you know, he was, he had
• 28:59
  trained and done his stuff. And I said, hey man, I got some
• 29:02
  ring rust, you know, can you help me shake it off?
• 29:04
  And he's like, yeah, man. So I started you know kind of
• 29:07
  shaking ring rust off and and as payment to him you know I was
• 29:12
  repping his some of his shows or his only show as of right now.
• 29:16
  But I wrapped his show for free. I was trying to be one of his
• 29:19
  office guys and help him out because he's like I don't like
• 29:22
  talking on the phone. I don't like doing this.
• 29:24
  I don't like doing that. I just want to point and say yes
• 29:26
  or no. So it's all right man.
• 29:28
  I got you. So I did a bunch of different
• 29:33
  things for him as as you know hey thank you for it is because
• 29:37
  I can't afford what you want in payment.
• 29:41
  So let me offer you a service. Right.
• 29:45
  So now with that being said, I see a lot of stuff hanging up in
• 29:50
  the back. Oh yeah.
• 29:53
  Tell us a little bit about all that stuff hanging, all that
• 29:55
  memorabilia you got hanging up in the back.
• 29:57
  So everything I got is, is. So I got my boots, my pants, my
• 30:05
  shirt, my ring shirt, and my my vest.
• 30:09
  Every aside from my boots, I'm the kind of guy that likes to
• 30:15
  try to save money. Because if I had the money, you
• 30:19
  know, as you guys were advertising, I have a GoFundMe.
• 30:22
  If I had the money, I'd have the ring.
• 30:23
  But I'd like to try to save money.
• 30:25
  So I try to make what I can for my gear.
• 30:31
  So you know, Army Navy store, the old BD, US, Walmart, what is
• 30:41
  it, a tank top? And this is actually when I was
• 30:44
  doing Civil War reenacting, this was my old shirt, Civil War
• 30:47
  reenacting shirt that I just cut up into a vest.
• 30:53
  So I mean, it looks the part that I need to look at.
• 30:58
  I do have this fancy thing. I heard you guys before we
• 31:01
  started the show talking about this.
• 31:06
  So this is my ring bell that I made for Apex.
• 31:10
  Literally just got a fire bell off of Amazon and and it works.
• 31:15
  So I mean. I I like it because it's got
• 31:18
  that old school, that old school look.
• 31:22
  Right. Yep, that's that.
• 31:24
  You know, Now, the chair behind me, this.
• 31:26
  Hold on, Give. Me one second.
• 31:27
  Let me do this announcement. So anybody wants some texting,
• 31:30
  Call 7 two O 619. 72O. 720-619-0627, you can text and
• 31:37
  call in. We're taking calls, so feel free
• 31:40
  to text us or call us. We prefer to call if you want so
• 31:43
  we can talk to you and have you on live, live streaming.
• 31:47
  So please text and call 720-619-0627.
• 31:51
  Back to you, Jesse. Yeah so and then just to tell
• 31:55
  you a little bit about this, it's real quick.
• 31:58
  My buddy during his his promotions first show I wrapped
• 32:02
  his hardcore match for him which was for the heavyweight title.
• 32:08
  At which point at some point in the match I was speared through
• 32:13
  plywood as the ref and you know knocked out.
• 32:18
  You had to get, had the other ref come drag me out, got me to
• 32:22
  the back and I'm, I'm in pain watching the monitors and I
• 32:27
  watched my buddy, he gets suplexed into two chairs and
• 32:32
  this is one of the chairs he was suplexed through.
• 32:34
  And after the show I said you know what man, it was you did
• 32:38
  good for your day promotions debuted this and that.
• 32:41
  I'm taking that chair as a souvenir.
• 32:44
  Nice. Yeah.
• 32:45
  You know. A lot of people don't realize,
• 32:47
  man, you know, if I've saved everything I've been put through
• 32:50
  and everything I've been hit with, I'd have no room.
• 32:54
  Right. You know, I've been doing this
• 32:56
  25 years and and it's just it's incredible how you and I met.
• 33:02
  You and I met. I seen a post on one of the
• 33:05
  Facebook groups. Sent it to me, sent it to.
• 33:07
  Him. He hooked up with you and then
• 33:09
  we made the phone call and that's how Jesse and I met and
• 33:13
  hoping to work for the guy and you know we can bring this guy
• 33:15
  with us here. You know this guy over there,
• 33:17
  the the Co host that guy Co host that guy up in the.
• 33:19
  Corner that other guy there. We go that guy.
• 33:23
  That guy. Who's sitting there with his
• 33:25
  arms folded? He could do ring announcing or
• 33:27
  whatever, you know, we'll bring him.
• 33:29
  Down listen, I listen. I got to tell you this.
• 33:32
  I listen. Super.
• 33:36
  You know, like you a geek when it comes to that and people
• 33:39
  still bust my chops and about it, but I don't care.
• 33:42
  But that being said, I've never wanted to be a wrestler.
• 33:47
  Just putting it out there, 'cause these guys know I
• 33:50
  actually always dreamed of being a manager.
• 33:52
  So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, well.
• 33:55
  You still got to think of Bump. Hey, I can do that once.
• 34:02
  Hey, everybody has a bump card. You know, everybody has that
• 34:05
  bump card. You know, as you get older, you
• 34:07
  know you you got to lessen those bumps you take.
• 34:12
  OK, guys. Let's go to the question of the
• 34:15
  day from the listeners. But we don't have one yet.
• 34:17
  Oh, we don't have one. We're we're getting one.
• 34:19
  Don't worry. Trust me.
• 34:21
  Give it time. There's people here watching.
• 34:23
  Anybody have a question of the day?
• 34:24
  Let us know. We will.
• 34:26
  We'll put it out there. Like I said, you can text or
• 34:28
  call 720-619-0627 and you can get live with Boss Dog, the
• 34:33
  Vanilla Gorilla, the OG and Mr. Jesse himself from Apex
• 34:37
  Championship Wrestling at a New Bern, NC so on that note.
• 34:44
  So, so let me let me ask you a question since I get this
• 34:47
  question all the time. What what made you want to
• 34:51
  become a wrestler? Because I I get asked that quite
• 34:56
  a bit myself. So I I'm always curious to hear
• 35:00
  what everybody else's story is. Right.
• 35:04
  And I that's actually one of the most common questions amongst
• 35:07
  all wrestlers, right to the lowest guy in the Indies, to the
• 35:11
  highest guy on the top of the the the televised programs.
• 35:15
  You know what made you want to be a wrestler?
• 35:19
  You know, growing up, yeah, I was born in 94, so I'm.
• 35:24
  I'm still young, but not young. At least you know the Gray.
• 35:27
  My beard doesn't. I'm the oldest guy out here.
• 35:31
  But anyway, you know, late 90s, early 2000s.
• 35:36
  You know, I watched wrestling with my, my older brother, my,
• 35:41
  my, my cousins. I remember with my brother, he
• 35:47
  would set up a mattress behind him and let me just, you know,
• 35:50
  as a little short thing, built nothing, pretend to choke, slam
• 35:55
  em and crossbody. And then 'cause that was our
• 35:59
  bonding, you know, That was my older brother.
• 36:03
  As I grew, you know, at first it didn't really didn't click into
• 36:06
  me because the main thing that was in my head, because my
• 36:09
  father was in the Army, he was also infantry, was a sniper.
• 36:12
  And and he goes, you know, I've always said, Dad, since I was
• 36:18
  five years old, Dad, I'm going to join the military.
• 36:19
  Dad, I want to join the military.
• 36:20
  That's what I want to do. And then it wasn't until I went
• 36:26
  into the military, said, you know what?
• 36:28
  Because I still love wrestling, still love watching it.
• 36:32
  I got to figure out how I I get into this.
• 36:37
  So I found Charles just at oh God online somehow, and I
• 36:46
  reached out to him. I said, hey man, let me.
• 36:50
  Can I come try out? I'd love to do this and do that.
• 36:53
  He's like, well, we got a show here.
• 36:54
  If you make it here, I'll give you a try out, see where you're
• 36:57
  at. Well, in middle school I used to
• 36:59
  train myself. Watch all these videos and stuff
• 37:02
  like that. Because you know.
• 37:05
  Then maybe one day, I just don't know.
• 37:07
  So I get in, you know, he says do this, do that.
• 37:11
  I start doing it. He's like, looks at me and goes,
• 37:13
  hey man, you got a pretty good basis here.
• 37:16
  You are not some Joe Schmo who knows nothing about the how to
• 37:20
  do anything coming off the street.
• 37:23
  And I have to train them from scratch.
• 37:26
  You know, a good number of things.
• 37:27
  They have to be adjusted slightly, but you know some
• 37:29
  stuff, right? So that's how it started, you
• 37:32
  know? And that, you know, that's kind
• 37:35
  of it's funny because that's, you know, growing up being with
• 37:39
  him at all the shows and and you know kind of the same thing like
• 37:43
  you did just going there just learning, you know, just
• 37:47
  watching. And then as I got into later on
• 37:52
  probably I would say what five years ago, six years ago now I
• 37:57
  got brought up with him to do commentary for a company in
• 38:02
  Rhode Island. And then you know, I I kind of
• 38:08
  started to like, well, you know, let's take bumps, let's let's
• 38:12
  hit the mat. You know, I was it was before,
• 38:15
  you know how it goes before Showtime.
• 38:16
  You're there hours beforehand. You know, we're outside and it's
• 38:19
  like, well, I want to, I want to.
• 38:21
  Let's see, it was like, oh, let's get in the ring.
• 38:23
  And I had my dad, the owner and and the Booker all together who
• 38:28
  all ran the roads together, You know, they were all standing
• 38:32
  there doing, hey, Wilson, do this, do this, hit the ropes, do
• 38:36
  this, hit the rope. And it was, you know, it was
• 38:38
  just kind of just a little bit of of what the feel of what the
• 38:42
  what the feel was, you know. And it was once I made that
• 38:47
  first initial hit against the mat.
• 38:51
  You know, I kind of, you know right away whether you're meant
• 38:55
  for it or not. So.
• 38:57
  And and I hit that mat and I got up and I thought to myself, I'm
• 39:02
  like, you know what it's like? This is, this is kind of, this
• 39:07
  is kind of what I was meant, meant for.
• 39:12
  Yeah, that was like, that's what it feels like.
• 39:13
  I'm like, that feels good. So now we got the question of
• 39:17
  the day. Well, yeah.
• 39:17
  Hold on, we actually have two questions actually.
• 39:21
  Before the question of the day, I I I think I know what you're
• 39:26
  getting to H and and I'm going to put that up on the screen
• 39:30
  because this is for you OG. OG, this is for you buddy.
• 39:35
  Jesse's going to laugh at this. I'm.
• 39:37
  I'm reading it. I'm laughing at it.
• 39:40
  Well, so now we have a message through the phone line, so.
• 39:45
  OK, let's do it, yeah. The exclusion of the day.
• 39:48
  Here we go. Who is your inspiration for
• 39:57
  wrestling, your signature move, and the worst injury that you
• 40:02
  received in wrestling? Go ahead, Jesse, I'll let you
• 40:08
  answer. That you go, you go first and
• 40:09
  then we'll each the two of us will give.
• 40:13
  God, my inspiration for wrestling, man.
• 40:16
  There is a few. There is honestly a few.
• 40:20
  I mean, growing up we've got Kane under Rock, Big show, Stone
• 40:27
  Cold. I was just going to say Austin.
• 40:30
  Hardy up there. Some of these old guy, the older
• 40:33
  guys from WCW before it ran out. And you know, some of the older
• 40:37
  WWE guys, I mean, to me, they were all inspiration.
• 40:40
  They were all larger than life. It's hard to just pick one for
• 40:44
  me. As for my signature move, oh
• 40:49
  boy, I'd have to say it's one of two.
• 40:54
  It's either kind of the the discus clothesline, like Luke
• 41:00
  Harper did for for this, the stunner I got to.
• 41:10
  I like I'm the kind of guy. I kind of like the simples, the
• 41:13
  classics, you know, I. I've actually.
• 41:18
  Come up with my even. I've I've formed my own you
• 41:20
  know, signature submission hold. I call this still because you
• 41:23
  know, my persona is this backwards moonshiner dude and
• 41:28
  you know, so worst injury. I'm going to knock on wood here.
• 41:39
  I haven't had a horrible, horrible injury.
• 41:43
  But I will say at one point we had a guy during one of our free
• 41:47
  training sessions. He is a wrestler, but he's never
• 41:51
  done the snap suplexes and I hate those.
• 41:54
  So he went to go give me one and I went, landed.
• 41:58
  They said I landed on my ankles. When I went over, I went over so
• 42:01
  fast. I don't, I don't remember
• 42:04
  feeling it this and that, but the next day I felt it from my
• 42:08
  feet to my knees. So yeah.
• 42:15
  So wow. Me, what was the question again?
• 42:19
  Who is your inspiration for wrestling, your signature move
• 42:22
  and worse injury you received? So you guys got to remember, I'm
• 42:25
  a lot older than you guys. I've watched SD Jones, I've
• 42:28
  worked with SD Jones, I've worked with Mr. Haiti, Tony,
• 42:31
  Ashley K, Tony Mundy, I've worked with them all, Abdullah.
• 42:36
  So, you know, my inspiration was just watching WWE on Saturday
• 42:41
  Night's main event, you know, And I said I'm going to Johnny
• 42:43
  Rods. You know, I went to Johnny Rods
• 42:46
  for a couple months, then I moved to Texas.
• 42:48
  I went to the Von Eric school out there.
• 42:51
  Then I came back to New York and I hooked up with all the Samoans
• 42:55
  and went out to pops and you know, and you know, then I
• 43:00
  hooked up with Tony Rumble in N.W.A, New England.
• 43:05
  He changed my whole gimmick and you know, my move is either the
• 43:10
  powerbomb or the DDT, you know? And the worst injury I had was
• 43:18
  in New Britain, CT Sports Palace.
• 43:21
  It got thrown onto the ground, I got power bombed onto the ground
• 43:26
  and I woke up the next day. Both my legs were swollen and
• 43:32
  you know, they were like deep red.
• 43:35
  You couldn't even touch them. So, you know, that was burning.
• 43:40
  He said. I've heard of Apex.
• 43:41
  Actually, the more I wake up, he's not awake yet.
• 43:43
  So you know. Don't mind him, he's not awake
• 43:46
  yet. So the worst, the worst thing
• 43:47
  that I had was my legs. They they swelled up like as red
• 43:51
  as a as a tomato and you couldn't even touch them with
• 43:54
  the heat on them. And to this day I still get it,
• 43:56
  you know, it's called fobitis. That kind of triggered what I
• 44:01
  had. I was 550 lbs at the time and
• 44:04
  now I'm a good, sexy looking 275.
• 44:08
  Just so y'all know. Still got the moves.
• 44:12
  Anybody wants to get in the ring with me, feel free to sign a
• 44:15
  contract with my man Jesse down there and we'll make this
• 44:18
  happen. So again like like Jesse,
• 44:23
  there's there's so many, you know I can't name you it's it's
• 44:30
  so hard to name one. I mean obviously it #1 be going
• 44:35
  with him and and just being around the business with him.
• 44:38
  That would be the correct answer is your father.
• 44:40
  Yeah, well that's always the correct, you know, like you
• 44:45
  said, Jesse, there's there's so many to name.
• 44:48
  You know, just growing up, there's so many to name.
• 44:51
  And even you know me being just like you the the wrestling nerd
• 44:55
  fan, whatever you want to call it.
• 44:57
  You know, watching the the older stuff like like Jim Crockett,
• 45:02
  the AWA, you know the N.W.A, the old N.W.A with the when the Road
• 45:08
  Warriors first came out, stuff like that.
• 45:10
  You know there's so many inspirations to to add to and
• 45:16
  you know, it's just it's so hard to pick obviously, but we all
• 45:22
  know who it is. Your signature move.
• 45:27
  I wouldn't say I have a signature move.
• 45:30
  I would say there's one I'm most known for as of right now,
• 45:33
  that's. When he put a guy into the
• 45:35
  speculum. That's when kid was supposed to
• 45:39
  take a you'll you'll laugh at this story, Jesse, because his
• 45:43
  kid was supposed to take this kid was supposed to take a power
• 45:46
  bomb after he took a power bomb from him.
• 45:49
  He was supposed to take a power bomb from me and when I lifted
• 45:53
  him up he went sideways like this and tried to slide down my
• 45:58
  back. And just as a natural reaction I
• 46:03
  went like this and I caught him in almost like a a razor's edge.
• 46:11
  And then I Hernandez border tossed him almost over the top
• 46:15
  rope on the other side of the ring and to the floor.
• 46:19
  OK, the video's great, she told. Me the story at one point.
• 46:22
  Yeah, yeah, I it. Is a good story.
• 46:25
  Yeah, I I I happened to. I would, I would say, I would
• 46:30
  say that that's probably what I'm most known for at the
• 46:34
  moment. I won't say it's a signature
• 46:35
  move because it wasn't really supposed to happen, if that
• 46:43
  makes any sense to anybody watching that wasn't really
• 46:45
  supposed to happen. That's one thing I will say, get
• 46:48
  the Texan call 710619. The worst injury I've received,
• 46:54
  thankfully I can say hasn't really been bad.
• 47:00
  I think that the worst part that hurt was the first match I
• 47:04
  decided that I was going to get a little crazy and I took a a
• 47:10
  running not I didn't deliver it. Another guy delivered it who's
• 47:14
  probably built what is rock built like 260 Solid decided he
• 47:20
  was going to run from one post all the way across the apron and
• 47:24
  do like basically make himself a lawn dart and landed on me and a
• 47:29
  couple other guys and I hit the concrete floor.
• 47:31
  I was already in a in a locker. I hit the concrete floor, except
• 47:34
  I did one of these and I landed boom on my shoulder and then on
• 47:40
  my my elbow at the same time. So that hurt.
• 47:45
  Here's the question of the day. Big names in APEX or guest
• 47:49
  appearances? Well.
• 47:51
  Hold on. I'm not done.
• 47:52
  I didn't get the pipe in on this.
• 47:54
  Pipe in. Come on.
• 47:55
  My inspiration for watching wrestling with superstar Billy
• 47:59
  Graham and The Undertaker. They're my top two.
• 48:02
  Listen, my signature move is the Stone Cold Steve Austin
• 48:06
  celebration in the ring and my biggest injury was pulling my
• 48:10
  fucking hamstring run into the fridge for another beer.
• 48:13
  So listen, you can't exclude me from this.
• 48:18
  Yes, yes. There you have it, ladies and
• 48:21
  gentlemen. OG signature movie, Pull the
• 48:24
  Hamstring. Running to get a beard, my man.
• 48:26
  OG my best friend. What he meant to say was he he
• 48:30
  pulled the getting out of bed. That's what he meant to say.
• 48:36
  That wasn't my hamstring. Oh wait, this is PG.
• 48:40
  This is PG. My dad.
• 48:41
  My dad overstepped the line. My bad.
• 48:46
  Yo, Bernie said. Shit.
• 48:48
  That's why it was an earthquake. Makes sense.
• 48:51
  Joey fell. Yeah.
• 48:53
  He had a question before. That too, didn't he?
• 48:57
  Yeah. So he so the question he had
• 48:59
  before that was, are we going to see any big names in APEX or any
• 49:04
  guest appearances or anything like that?
• 49:07
  So Apex is a new company. As mentioned in some of the
• 49:14
  things I do have a GoFundMe to write Crowd fund for a ring.
• 49:18
  And Speaking of ring, while I'm on this topic real quick, I got
• 49:23
  a hold of somebody that will let it let me use a ring for free
• 49:29
  because she is she she told me I am one of two people she will
• 49:34
  ever trust with that ring. Wow, fantastic.
• 49:39
  Well. She said keep crowdfunding and
• 49:43
  get you that ring and you know, do what you got to do.
• 49:46
  But I you can use my ring. I was like, oh.
• 49:48
  My God, that's that's great. That's awesome.
• 49:52
  Hope you had some some issues trying to trying to get one so
• 49:56
  I'm I'm happy you you were finally able to get one.
• 49:58
  Obviously the the GoFundMe link will be you know we will post
• 50:03
  this along with the go fund Me link on our page for everybody
• 50:08
  watching. You know you want to share it
• 50:10
  around, share it around let's let's help him get his own ring
• 50:13
  obviously which is what everybody wants.
• 50:17
  You know it does take time but I think once we once we put it out
• 50:21
  there and and I also think once you know the the first show kind
• 50:25
  of goes off and people see what you're about, oh, I'm still
• 50:29
  trying to get in. Touch with Rob by the way.
• 50:30
  It'll be quite easy for you to, you know, kind of get that, get
• 50:36
  that movie. But now back to his question.
• 50:39
  That would be good. Oh, I'm sorry.
• 50:40
  Go ahead. Yeah, good, good.
• 50:42
  I'm going to go back to his question though, because it kind
• 50:45
  of went a little off track, but it was good news nonetheless to
• 50:48
  to share. So any big names that may be
• 50:52
  appearing or in the future or something like that, it's, I'm
• 50:56
  working on it. There are big names out there
• 51:00
  that I would love to have on, but you know, for a company
• 51:04
  that's just starting and doesn't have the funds to pay them just
• 51:07
  yet, it's not going to happen right away.
• 51:09
  I mean, you got to think there's some guys out there who say I'm
• 51:14
  this much and you're going to have to pay me $7000 before I
• 51:17
  even step foot in my own car to go to the airport, right, You
• 51:20
  know, and then you got to pay me the other half.
• 51:23
  So it it it's a it's a work in progress, but in the future
• 51:29
  we're going to have hopefully have some some appearances.
• 51:32
  On that note, ring that bell, slam that chair.
• 51:36
  Let's take our commercial break. Yo-yo yo.
• 56:11
  What is up? What is up?
• 56:14
  We are back here. Turnbuckles and stoveys live so
• 56:17
  Sunday morning so OG. We had, we had two questions
• 56:21
  from before, but I want to put one up right now.
• 56:25
  And this is for OG. And this one, this one is
• 56:27
  really, really more for you OG. This isn't for us exactly what
• 56:33
  comment I'm talking about because he's seen it.
• 56:36
  So this one is from a good friend of ours, OG Mr. Coop, and
• 56:41
  that's for you. Well, you know what?
• 56:50
  Yeah. Go ahead, try to answer that
• 56:52
  one. And I don't know.
• 56:54
  I I tell you what sign if you wake up from the chair shot,
• 56:57
  absolutely. You can try to lift me up and
• 56:59
  put me through a table. That was my best impersonation
• 57:05
  of snack talk. I don't know.
• 57:07
  Yeah, man, that was hey, you know, give me in a ring.
• 57:11
  Let's see what happens. Why not?
• 57:12
  I'll take a shot once. Once.
• 57:14
  I'll probably die. But I got a good, healthy
• 57:17
  insurance policy. And then and then he had posted
• 57:20
  another question. I just lost it in.
• 57:24
  As of right now, who do you feel has the better product, WWE or
• 57:30
  AEW? For me.
• 57:34
  I'm I'm going to, I'm going to go out and say this and not
• 57:36
  because I'm a, you know, I've been watching both products.
• 57:41
  WWE has gotten better since Triple H took over.
• 57:44
  I will say that the product has gotten really decent.
• 57:48
  It's still got a ways to go but they're making, they're making
• 57:54
  good traction and quick. But in my opinion and people are
• 57:59
  going to hate me because there's a lot going on with that company
• 58:02
  right now. But I think personally I think
• 58:04
  AW has the better product right now I I.
• 58:08
  Personally, yeah. I.
• 58:09
  Better product and it's. I think right now, yeah, I think
• 58:13
  right now, if you're talking about who's hot, the iron that's
• 58:16
  hot is AW right now. As much and but I.
• 58:19
  Agree. WWE is making traction.
• 58:22
  That's. Bigger, but they're making
• 58:23
  traction fast. I thought it was going to take a
• 58:26
  lot longer. But once Triple H took over, you
• 58:30
  can see when the change happened because the product view started
• 58:34
  going like this and then they brought Orton back.
• 58:38
  They signed Punk NX, TS, getting new superstars.
• 58:42
  You know they're they're putting out.
• 58:44
  You know last night I watched deadline.
• 58:47
  I mean Jesus, that was and it. But NXT, I'm never disappointed
• 58:53
  with NXT because they always, they always put on a good show.
• 58:58
  And I think personally NXT might be developmental as they call
• 59:03
  it. I think it's a third brand that
• 59:07
  they didn't realize was going to be its own separate brand.
• 59:12
  I think it started out as developmental and then over the
• 59:16
  years it started to gain the traction and then they did the
• 59:20
  the Survivor Series angle where it was Raw smack down NXT and
• 59:25
  then they went back. They they redeveloped like three
• 59:28
  times into different incarnations and where they are
• 59:31
  now is I think personally a third brand for WWE under their
• 59:40
  umbrella. So Jesse, tell us about your
• 59:44
  tentative dates that you have lined up and where they are and
• 59:51
  how people can get to. I don't know if you have a
• 59:54
  website or whatever how people can purchase tickets and get
• 59:58
  them out there. So as of right now, website
• 1:00:04
  wise, I'm trying to create one but I got to start with the free
• 1:00:09
  builders. But every free builder is giving
• 1:00:11
  me a hard time with building something.
• 1:00:14
  So that might be something I'm going to have to pay somebody
• 1:00:17
  down the line to do, right? But as of right now, usually
• 1:00:23
  ticket sales I can either do over the phone through Facebook.
• 1:00:28
  I do have a PayPal set up for Apex.
• 1:00:30
  I've got cash app for Apex. So as long as you give me you
• 1:00:35
  know, hey this is who it's for. You know when you get a ticket
• 1:00:39
  it will be at a quote, UN quote, will call meeting for you with
• 1:00:44
  your name on an envelope and your seating and stuff like
• 1:00:47
  that. So it's mainly over the phone
• 1:00:49
  over Facebook stuff like that And I just provide you hey this
• 1:00:53
  is you can either pay through cash at PayPal square however
• 1:00:57
  you want. Well Square is more important
• 1:00:59
  person but cash at PayPal, Venmo stuff like that.
• 1:01:03
  I usually because I also do leather work as a full time gig
• 1:01:09
  so I have all the big payment options, Venmo, PayPal, cash app
• 1:01:13
  and all that for that as well. So it gives people the option
• 1:01:15
  as. To say what's up brother?
• 1:01:18
  How you doing so well? When is your first show
• 1:01:22
  tentatively date? Let me double look here, the
• 1:01:25
  tentative date. I got to look at my phone
• 1:01:29
  calendar because I'm, I'm, I'm. My last name is Polish.
• 1:01:32
  So that comes with the brain too.
• 1:01:37
  How many Polish guys does it take to put in a light bulb?
• 1:01:40
  Yes. He said yes.
• 1:01:45
  One is screwed in and three. My family's still trying to
• 1:01:47
  figure that out. I'm looking at possibly the 25th
• 1:01:53
  of May, OK, It gives me enough time to.
• 1:01:57
  I've got the venue kind of lined up.
• 1:01:58
  I just got to get the funds for that as well because it is run
• 1:02:03
  by the parks and recs here, but it's really cool.
• 1:02:05
  They got a full gym with locker rooms and separate entrances to
• 1:02:09
  get into those locker rooms away from the public with bathrooms
• 1:02:12
  and stuff like that as well, so. Nice.
• 1:02:14
  Well, I don't like to get away from the public, because the
• 1:02:16
  public is what made me what I am today.
• 1:02:18
  No, you know what I mean? I mean.
• 1:02:22
  Because I'm good. We could go in the the door into
• 1:02:24
  the locker. Room we don't.
• 1:02:25
  Have to go through the fans, go in the front.
• 1:02:27
  Door. I know what you're saying.
• 1:02:29
  I love walking through the fans because you know what?
• 1:02:32
  Without the fans, without the people that paid for the
• 1:02:35
  tickets, there's no big dog. So.
• 1:02:38
  I will walk. Man.
• 1:02:39
  I will walk through the fans every day, take pictures, sign
• 1:02:43
  autographs, kiss their mother, kiss their kids.
• 1:02:46
  I don't care. No, but I I do.
• 1:02:48
  I do know what you're saying because there have been like I
• 1:02:52
  know the few places I've done shows, whether it was commentary
• 1:02:56
  or whatever. You know, the the one place we
• 1:02:58
  did a lot of shows for commentary was an outdoor
• 1:03:01
  pavilion. And you know, you pulled up the
• 1:03:05
  wrestlers park down below where everybody else parked.
• 1:03:08
  But see us being and getting there early.
• 1:03:12
  It was up on a hill. So what did we do?
• 1:03:14
  We drove the car right up the hill, parked right outside the
• 1:03:17
  lock the the locker room. And changed into my car.
• 1:03:20
  And changed outside in the, you know, whatever I'm like, but you
• 1:03:25
  know, being a commentator, as you know, there really is not a
• 1:03:28
  whole lot of dress code except like a polo shirt or a a dress
• 1:03:33
  shirt, so nobody can see what's underneath you, right.
• 1:03:36
  Right. I'm the kind of.
• 1:03:38
  Guy that the if I if I were to implement a dress code, it would
• 1:03:44
  be more business casual just to be like hey guys, because I
• 1:03:47
  don't want to take away your creativity and your
• 1:03:49
  individuality and stuff like that.
• 1:03:50
  You know, you know you are who you are.
• 1:03:55
  Not my job to take that away from that.
• 1:03:57
  Well, a lot of guys are going to show up in shorts.
• 1:04:00
  Oh yeah. That's.
• 1:04:02
  What I said that's that's me. If I'm going to set a dress
• 1:04:05
  code, that's probably what I would go with.
• 1:04:07
  And that's and that's pretty easy, 'cause that's sometimes
• 1:04:10
  that's just like a nice looking T-shirt and you know, a a pair
• 1:04:13
  of jeans and some shoes or something like that.
• 1:04:16
  And I don't mark out. I don't wear nobody else's shirt
• 1:04:18
  but mine, thank you very much. I I have AI have a little bit of
• 1:04:23
  a collection, I will say of of shirts in my closet 'cause I did
• 1:04:29
  at one point in time subscribe to pro wrestling Crate.
• 1:04:33
  Which, if anybody, if anybody. Hasn't subscribed to that and
• 1:04:37
  this is I'm not sponsored by them.
• 1:04:39
  It's not a shameless it's just a if you haven't subscribed to
• 1:04:43
  them, I would suggest at least one month because you get a lot
• 1:04:47
  of cool shit shirts, you get a little micro brawler like this
• 1:04:53
  big, you get a DVD, you get an autograph picture sometimes too.
• 1:04:58
  So I will say they do have some cool stuff, but most of the time
• 1:05:04
  I usually just show up with you know, a a a regular T-shirt or a
• 1:05:10
  polo shirt and you know some sandals and a pair of shorts
• 1:05:13
  depending on the weather. Right.
• 1:05:16
  Because you you know, you got to think you want to be comfortable
• 1:05:18
  during the car ride too, to. These right I wear I.
• 1:05:21
  Wear shorts and Crocs all year so it doesn't matter.
• 1:05:23
  It could be negative. Yeah, sure.
• 1:05:25
  Out in the middle of New York and you wear shorts and Crocs in
• 1:05:27
  the winter. You are crazy.
• 1:05:28
  He's out of his mind. But it listen.
• 1:05:30
  If it's if it's business casual, he'll put a bow tie in the
• 1:05:33
  Crocs. Hey listen, I wanted to update
• 1:05:39
  you on that very important question.
• 1:05:40
  Somebody asked how many Pollock did it take to screw in a light
• 1:05:43
  bulb? I got a text message that says
• 1:05:46
  51 to hold the light bulb, 4 to turn the chair.
• 1:05:49
  Yes. I mean, hey, you know why
• 1:05:52
  Pollock's have the have ski at the end of their last name,
• 1:05:55
  right? Tell me.
• 1:05:58
  I don't know about you, but I can't spell Deboggan.
• 1:06:06
  And. For anybody who's just joining
• 1:06:09
  in for and, is this taken out of context?
• 1:06:12
  I'm Polish. I've got a Polish last name.
• 1:06:15
  He ties his. Shoes, American and English I'm
• 1:06:18
  a drunken idiot who can't hold his liquor.
• 1:06:19
  Who's. Constantly, he ties his shoes
• 1:06:21
  the other way. Instead of tying the shoe that's
• 1:06:22
  on the ground, he ties the shoe that's up on the chair.
• 1:06:27
  So so this one this one is in reference to your comment
• 1:06:30
  earlier OG. In the immortal words of the
• 1:06:41
  Great One. I I will tell you, those chairs
• 1:06:46
  are pretty. Those chairs are pretty heavy.
• 1:06:49
  Those chairs can get pretty heavy when you're swinging them
• 1:06:51
  4567 times in a row. Correct.
• 1:06:55
  So I will tell you, I've, I've tried to pick those chairs up
• 1:06:58
  and it's not they're they're they're heavy.
• 1:07:01
  They're not they're not they're not aluminum.
• 1:07:03
  They're not. They're.
• 1:07:05
  They're heavy. They hurt.
• 1:07:07
  So let me ask you this, Jesse. So, so what's your federation
• 1:07:11
  that you're you're you're starting up APEC Championship
• 1:07:14
  Wrestling in New Bern, NC So are you going to have like some
• 1:07:20
  hardcore matches? Are you going to have, you know,
• 1:07:25
  like go out there and just do what you guys do or you going
• 1:07:28
  to, you know, be like, hey listen, this is what we want to
• 1:07:32
  do, blah blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:07:34
  There will be, yeah, hardcore matches.
• 1:07:37
  I'm a fan of them. I just don't like to put
• 1:07:40
  anything if I'm going to do it, anything that's going to
• 1:07:43
  puncture my skin. I'm not a fan of that unless
• 1:07:45
  it's a tattoo. What are?
• 1:07:49
  We on a different. Boat brother.
• 1:07:50
  Because I'll punch in my skin for whatever.
• 1:07:52
  It doesn't matter, right? I like.
• 1:07:54
  I like the juice. You know what?
• 1:07:56
  I mean right but. That's different.
• 1:07:57
  Red equals green, right? You know, oh.
• 1:07:59
  Listen, that's how the old saying goes.
• 1:08:01
  You know that as well as I do. And red equals green.
• 1:08:04
  Red equals green and. Green.
• 1:08:07
  Everybody. Right, but we I do want to
• 1:08:11
  implement some hardcore matches and at some point actually even
• 1:08:14
  get a hardcore title. That's.
• 1:08:17
  Cool. But where was I going with this?
• 1:08:21
  I just literally lost my train of thought here now.
• 1:08:24
  So the idea now that I'm thinking about it now is I want
• 1:08:29
  Apex to have still that family friendly kind of PG side, but I
• 1:08:36
  also want to lead just a tad bit more to that attitude era of
• 1:08:41
  wrestling when wrestling was still wrestling.
• 1:08:43
  Right. And and and the the you know,
• 1:08:47
  you know as well as I do you know you wanted to lead to where
• 1:08:50
  those those big payoff matches, you know of a of a rivalry or a
• 1:08:55
  a you know two guys butting heads.
• 1:08:57
  The big payoff is either you know as you know a hardcore
• 1:09:00
  match, a ladder match, a tables match that's that's that old
• 1:09:06
  school style that I think you're trying to make that.
• 1:09:10
  Am I correct? I want, I want the newer
• 1:09:12
  generation to come to these these shows and go WOW
• 1:09:15
  WRESTLING. Really cool.
• 1:09:16
  But I also want the the older generation, my generation older
• 1:09:20
  and go, this is freaking nostalgic.
• 1:09:23
  I love this. Right.
• 1:09:29
  Well. I think you'll you'll, you'll be
• 1:09:32
  fine once you start rolling and you start getting into the
• 1:09:37
  groove of things. You know, North Carolina is big
• 1:09:40
  for for wrestling. Down South is big for wrestling.
• 1:09:44
  New York is hard to run because you have to hire the athletic
• 1:09:47
  Commission you have to hire. Yeah, it's it's a little.
• 1:09:50
  It's a little. Hard to run, you know.
• 1:09:51
  It's it's not hard, It's expensive.
• 1:09:54
  Right. Pennsylvania's the same way with
• 1:09:55
  that stuff. I think down there, I think
• 1:09:59
  you'll do good. And you know, all I can say is I
• 1:10:05
  hope that your your company goes well and don't forget to book,
• 1:10:10
  book The Untouchable. Hopefully we're we're down there
• 1:10:12
  working with you, 'cause I think it'd be a great time for all of
• 1:10:15
  us to be in the same spot, you know, I think.
• 1:10:17
  Remember you got to go through their manager Hi, just want to
• 1:10:20
  introduce myself. I told you, Listen, you're going
• 1:10:25
  to have one job. You're going to have one shot.
• 1:10:27
  Don't fuck it up, kid. Oh shit, Oh shit, he said.
• 1:10:32
  Don't fuck it up, kid. Hey, listen, I don't know an
• 1:10:35
  announcer can get involved, right?
• 1:10:38
  An announcer can take four or five bumps.
• 1:10:41
  Sure. If you can catch me, we can use.
• 1:10:45
  Listen, we got it. Listen, we'll just get a door.
• 1:10:48
  I got some pain medicine for you.
• 1:10:49
  Don't worry. About it, I'll put them through
• 1:10:50
  a. Door.
• 1:10:50
  If you can catch me for a fat guy, I can run.
• 1:10:55
  Oh, so can I. So just once I catch you, I
• 1:11:00
  just. I can't promise it won't hurt.
• 1:11:04
  And and you can't wear your glasses, brother.
• 1:11:08
  Glasses. You would?
• 1:11:09
  Why would you hit a guy with glasses?
• 1:11:12
  Yes. Absolutely.
• 1:11:13
  Yes, 100. Percent Jesse, Jesse, Jesse.
• 1:11:17
  We don't care in the rest of the world.
• 1:11:21
  I. Mean Look at Harvey Whippleman.
• 1:11:24
  He got his ass whooping the glasses on, Yeah.
• 1:11:26
  That poor bastard. So I I just got the I just got
• 1:11:33
  the cue. We got about 5 minutes left.
• 1:11:36
  So ladies and gentlemen, you are live here with turnbuckles and
• 1:11:39
  sogies, The Boss Dog, Big Dog, the Vanilla Gorilla, the OG
• 1:11:44
  cigar tender and the CEO and Founder of Apex Wrestling
• 1:11:48
  Championship Wrestling out of New Bern, NC.
• 1:11:52
  Make sure you go to his GoFundMe page, it's posted up in the
• 1:11:54
  comments and help him out. He's a vet and guys, we
• 1:11:58
  appreciate y'all coming on. Listen, Jesse, you got my
• 1:12:02
  number. Hit me up hopefully.
• 1:12:03
  And this, I know this won't be the last time we have you on.
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  I know as we get closer and you know more things come out and
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  more talent is booked and stuff like that.
• 1:12:12
  I'm. I can almost guarantee you that
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  we'll have you back on for Part 2.
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  So we can promote the show and and you know you can kind of
• 1:12:20
  give a background on what's going on.
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  Maybe we'll play them some promo clips, You know, whatever,
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  whatever we got going on. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Hey, hey, Jesse, I got a Jesse, got a quick question for you.
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  Would there be any possibility of Turnbuckle doing a podcast
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  live from one of your shows? I mean, there's always a
• 1:12:40
  possibility for anything, man. Fantastic.
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  So there you have it ladies and gentlemen.
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  Happy Sunday. We'll see.
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  Y'all guys, next week we. Appreciate you tuning.
• 1:12:49
  In next week, we're doing a two-part.
• 1:12:51
  Series we got, I mean Derek Boots on D3.
• 1:12:55
  We're going to do a two-part. Series that'll that'll be.
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  No, that's next, that's Saturday.
• 1:13:00
  We'll be taping those on Saturday.
• 1:13:02
  Those will be dropping on Christmas and New Year's.
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  Well, we'll still be here with you guys.
• 1:13:06
  We just won't be live obviously because of the holidays.
• 1:13:09
  But on the 17th on Sunday we have Kevin from Cigar Prop will
• 1:13:15
  be joining us live. Live.
• 1:13:18
  Come hang out with us next week and then after that you'll see 2
• 1:13:22
  recorded episodes and we'll be back the week after New Year's.
• 1:13:25
  Guys, on that note, the Turnbuckles and Stogies and and
• 1:13:29
  Apex Championship Wrestling have a good night.
• 1:13:31
  Peace out. That's the show for today
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  everyone. Thanks for listening.
• 1:13:38
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• 1:13:41
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• 1:13:44
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• 1:13:48
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