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Speaker 1: La from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me for another busy week here on
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Speaker 1: the Kenny Report. Tonight the Australian Pubs with Node Heer,
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Speaker 1: where they celebrate all kinds of days, but not Australia Day.
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Speaker 1: President Joe Biden finally does something, but all he does
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Speaker 1: is break a promise and pardon his criminal son. Kristen
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Speaker 1: Tate will unpack all that for us. More revelations about
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Speaker 1: the country's economic mess as desperate measures are adopted to
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Speaker 1: keep our electricity grid viable, and a labor minister reveals
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Speaker 1: exactly how weak Albanesi labor is when it comes to
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Speaker 1: Israel and the Middle East. All that and plenty more,
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Speaker 1: including Sophie Orsworth, Jematonini and Caroline du Also let's get
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Speaker 1: into it. Just a word to start off with on
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Speaker 1: the budget, on the cost of living, on the Alberanzi
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Speaker 1: labor government and what on earth they're doing to our
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Speaker 1: economic future. I'll have some more information in the program
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Speaker 1: tonight on how they continue to vandalize our electricity grid
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Speaker 1: their renewables pushes, undermining the grid, jeopardizing our power supplies
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Speaker 1: as well as costing you a bomb. But on the
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Speaker 1: economy and new analysis of the budget by respected independent
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Speaker 1: economist Chris Richardson has underscored just how badly this government
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Speaker 1: is managing the finances and how much debt and deficit
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Speaker 1: we are heading for over the next four years. We're
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Speaker 1: looking at cumulative deficits of two hundred and twenty billion
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Speaker 1: dollars as Labour's spending is unconstrained by our capacity to pay.
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Speaker 1: In fact, Labor has added more than one hundred billion
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Speaker 1: dollars in spending since coming to power and has boosted
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Speaker 1: the tax take by forty four billion. Don't ever forget
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Speaker 1: that Labour has added nearly thirty thousand extra federal public
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Speaker 1: servants and half of them are in Canberra where they
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Speaker 1: do four fifths of bugger or. As you know, this
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Speaker 1: is a terrible outlook. While Australians are struggling with high inflation,
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Speaker 1: high interest rates, high electricity prices and real cost of
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Speaker 1: living pressures, Labor are up to their same old tricks
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Speaker 1: of economic recklessness. This will be front and center in
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Speaker 1: next year's election campaign. Don't worry about that, and I'll
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Speaker 1: have more on this throughout the week. Now, speaking of
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Speaker 1: federal labor, let's talk about two former labor prime ministers
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Speaker 1: who are in the news again. No one needs to
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Speaker 1: guess how little respects Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard have
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Speaker 1: for each other. She knifed him and he knifed her,
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Speaker 1: and those wounds will never go away. And their personal assessments, well,
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Speaker 1: they've been out there.
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Speaker 2: But across his life he felled the need for himself
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Speaker 2: to be filled by the approval of others. So clearly
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Speaker 2: there's a hole that needs to be filled by applause
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Speaker 2: and approval.
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Speaker 3: The first thing I'd say about that is I haven't
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Speaker 3: seen Julia's university qualifications as a psychoanalyst.
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Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd as Prime minister always had very difficult and
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Speaker 2: very chaotic work patterns. The twenty and ten election was sabotage.
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Speaker 2: We went into that election in very difficult circumstances as
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Speaker 2: a result of the months of paralysis and chaos under
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Speaker 2: mister Rudd's leadership.
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Speaker 3: Because it's there, it's fully documented, it's my account, and
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Speaker 3: it rolls back decisively against the narrative which has been
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Speaker 3: conveniently self serving on the part of both Julia and
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Speaker 3: Waine Swann to justify their actions in the coup.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just say they're not the best of mates. So,
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Speaker 1: with questions continuing about how Rudd can continue to be
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Speaker 1: Australia's ambassador in the US when he's been so critical
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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, Julia Gillard has been asked a pertinent
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Speaker 1: question at an event in London.
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Speaker 4: Miss Gillard, Sophie Ellsworth, journalist at News Corps Australia. Your
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Speaker 4: former colleague Kevin Right, Australia's US ambassador. He has criticized
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Speaker 4: mister Trump. He's said on platform X he's the most
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Speaker 4: destructive president in history. He's traded to the West, he's
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Speaker 4: removed those posts.
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Speaker 5: What's your view on this?
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Speaker 4: And he is inappropriate that he remains in that role
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Speaker 4: as Australia's ambassador to the US.
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Speaker 1: Do you want to take that We really this is
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Speaker 1: about welcome. I don't think I don't think you feel compelled.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, And just from an abundance of
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Speaker 2: caution in terms of the Australian news cycle, let me
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Speaker 2: just say Australia picks its ambassadors. It's pick Kevin Rud,
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Speaker 2: who's doing a very good job for our country in
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Speaker 2: the United States.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he sure is doing a very good job, says nobody.
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Speaker 1: No one knows what he's doing there at the moment,
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Speaker 1: whether he's going to be able to speak to the
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Speaker 1: new administration. How they squirm, hey, how they have to
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Speaker 1: spin rather than just tell us what they really think.
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Speaker 1: It was a great question from our friend Sophie el's
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Speaker 1: Worth based in London. Now I'll catch up with her
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Speaker 1: live from London later in the program. I want to
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Speaker 1: touch on the Middle East and Australia's position on Israel
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Speaker 1: and the war against Hamas and Hesbala. The Muslim Vote
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Speaker 1: Group is active in our politics now and he is
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Speaker 1: looking to back candidates at the federal election running against
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Speaker 1: labor ministers. No less and what I heard this morning
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Speaker 1: on the ABC was pretty concerning Labor MP and Muslim
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Speaker 1: Australian Ed Husick, the Minister for Industry no less, gave
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Speaker 1: his take on all of this.
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Speaker 6: I certainly think that there will be people. There have
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Speaker 6: been people for quite some time that have taken a
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Speaker 6: particularly strong view about whether or not ourselves all the
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Speaker 6: rest of the world for that matter, have reacted as
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Speaker 6: strongly as they could on seeing the loss of so
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Speaker 6: much innocent life in Gaza, and in particular so many
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Speaker 6: innocent people and especially mothers and children, women and children
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Speaker 6: who have been killed as a result of the actions
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Speaker 6: by the Israeli government in Gaza and then obviously the
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Speaker 6: spread to Lebanon.
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Speaker 1: Now that's a worry. Here's an Australian government minister putting
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Speaker 1: the blame for the deaths of innocent civilians on Israel.
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Speaker 1: No mention of Hummas atrocities, no mention of Hummas attacks
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Speaker 1: and rocket firing at Israeli civilians. Just the portrayal of
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Speaker 1: Israel as the aggressor and the killing of innocence. This
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Speaker 1: is jaundice, it is inaccurate, and it's dangerous commentary because
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Speaker 1: of the anti Israel bile it helps to fuel in
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Speaker 1: this country. And then he mentioned the war spreading to
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Speaker 1: Lebanon as if Israel just decided to spread the violence northwards.
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Speaker 1: No mention of Hesbalah and the attacks from Lebanon against
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Speaker 1: innocent Israelis, the innocent people killed and forced to evacuate
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Speaker 1: in northern Israel. This is a terrible and incorrect way
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Speaker 1: to characterize what has gone on. But it gets worse
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Speaker 1: because then we heard this labor minister seeking to appease
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Speaker 1: the aggressors, seeking to tell people how Labor has responded
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Speaker 1: to these terror attacks and this war by looking to
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Speaker 1: fast track Palestinian statehood.
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Speaker 6: This will for some people be a big issue, but
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Speaker 6: as a government you can see through the course of
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Speaker 6: the twelve months, particular advocacy within the UN and the
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Speaker 6: international community, the way we work with others, particularly around ceasefire,
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Speaker 6: the most recent efforts we've made in terms of Palestinian
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Speaker 6: sovereign sovereignty, which I think is important at a time
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Speaker 6: where there are concerns around displacement. Being able to fast
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Speaker 6: track sovereignty for Palestinians very important.
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Speaker 1: That's ed Husick saying the quiet part out loud. Labor
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Speaker 1: is trying to appease the terrorists of Hummas and Hezbllah
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Speaker 1: by fast tracking Palestinian statehood. Now mentioned there of the
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Speaker 1: hostages that nearly one hundred hostages still being held by Hummas.
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Speaker 1: By the way, and of course Labor do this hold
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Speaker 1: out this hope of Palestinian statehood with zero evidence or
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Speaker 1: detail about how the state could be formed, who would
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Speaker 1: run it, and how on earth Hummas and Hesbella would
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Speaker 1: suddenly change from wanting to eradicate Israel to wanting to
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Speaker 1: live side by side in peace. Labour's position on Israel
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Speaker 1: and the Middle East is weak and dangerous. Lets go
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Speaker 1: to Aussie pubs Australia Day, the politically correct and the
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Speaker 1: socially wrong. Let's unpick the latest Australia Day controversy that's
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Speaker 1: come a month or two early. About two hundred pubs
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Speaker 1: will not be celebrating Australia Day this year. They'll pretend
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Speaker 1: away our national day because they want to be woke.
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Speaker 1: The pubs and bars are owned by a company called
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Speaker 1: Australian Venue Company, which is actually owned by an Asian
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Speaker 1: investment fund, so they aren't really Aussie pubs anyway. The
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Speaker 1: company's statement says, Australia Day is a day that causes
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Speaker 1: sadness for some members of our community, so we have
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Speaker 1: decided not to specifically celebrate a day that causes hurt
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Speaker 1: for some of our patrons and our team. Well, some
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Speaker 1: people say the day makes them sad. Political activists try
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Speaker 1: to make a thing about all that, but certainly the
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Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of Australians love their country for good reason.
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Speaker 1: They I like to celebrate the day in our very
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Speaker 1: understated and Australian way. But these two hundred pubs owned
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Speaker 1: by an overseas investment firm. Don't want to celebrate our country.
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Speaker 1: They just want to make a profit from it. They
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Speaker 1: just want Australians to buy their food and drink and
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Speaker 1: tip money into their poker machines, but not to celebrate
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Speaker 1: their national Day. I won't be giving them any of
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Speaker 1: my heart earned if you can help it. If you
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Speaker 1: want to do the same, I need to find out
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Speaker 1: which pubs are owned by this mob band avoid them.
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Speaker 1: Some of the places I go to I notice they
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Speaker 1: own if you go to the sky News website. Now
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Speaker 1: we're carrying the full list there. So if you want
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Speaker 1: to check which venues they've got and decide to avoid them,
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Speaker 1: go ahead via the sky News website and then you
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Speaker 1: can avoid those pubs and bars if you so choose.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you love Australia Day and you love
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Speaker 1: Australia and all of that, then presumably you're not the
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Speaker 1: kind of person they want on their premises anyway. And
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Speaker 1: I just thought, by way of comparison, i'd have a
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Speaker 1: look at what they celebrate. If you go to their website,
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Speaker 1: you can see that Australian Venue Company does like to
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Speaker 1: celebrate some days. There's a Big Gay Day they celebrate that.
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Speaker 1: It's a picture there too for Plant a Tree Day.
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Speaker 1: Also they're trumpeting how they celebrate where it Purple Day
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Speaker 1: and a similar day they have Lgbtqia Plus Day. There's
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Speaker 1: also Nadoch Week celebrated for Indigenous Australians of course, and
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Speaker 1: there's International Women's Day. They celebrate all these days and
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Speaker 1: they are all good days, to be sure, but apparently
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Speaker 1: there are two hundred pubs at bars in Australia now
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Speaker 1: who have time for all of those days, but no
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Speaker 1: time for our national Day. Let's go now to Craig Laundy,
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Speaker 1: a minister, former Liberal MP and minister and also from
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Speaker 1: Laundry Hotels. They run over forty venues in this great country. Now,
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Speaker 1: he joins me. Now, good to speak to you again.
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about this? A group of pubs
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Speaker 1: two hundred no less, telling people what they can and
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Speaker 1: can and can't celebrate.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Chris, nice to talk to you.
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Speaker 8: To Look, I've been asked this question for a few
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Speaker 8: journals today and I think irrespective of the business I
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Speaker 8: think you've seen this over the last couple of years
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Speaker 8: that if businesses and people that run.
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Speaker 7: The businesses come out and make these statements.
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Speaker 8: The publics see them for what they are and that
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Speaker 8: the real issue here is around I'm guessing what the
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Speaker 8: deities and the day and what it signifies. If you
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Speaker 8: want to change that, run for parliament and change it.
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Speaker 8: Get convince your constituents. You know, it's a national day.
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Speaker 8: And I said this many last day. We celebrate our
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Speaker 8: indigenus heritage pretty much three hundred and sixty five days
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Speaker 8: a year, you know, in our schools each day as
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Speaker 8: if you hop on a Qunus plane before the safety
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Speaker 8: breathing an indigenous wag flying three hundred and sixty five
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Speaker 8: days a year above the Australian, above the Sydney Harbor Bridge,
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Speaker 8: as we should, and there's absolutely nothing wrong.
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Speaker 7: We're doing it fantastic.
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Speaker 9: But you know, this is a day that is of
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Speaker 9: strong heritage relevance and it's a gazeted public holiday in
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Speaker 9: each state and territory.
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Speaker 7: And our pub.
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Speaker 8: Is a place where you go when you have a
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Speaker 8: day off, to be entertained, and that's what we'll be
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Speaker 8: doing in outloads.
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Speaker 1: Its yeah, and I imagine that your pub's there would
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Speaker 1: be pretty busy days. Rather it's a public holiday, you'd
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Speaker 1: be paying all your staff for leave loading a public
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Speaker 1: holiday loading and I imagine to be very busy. It
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Speaker 1: always is on Australia. Perhaps the Australian Venues Company, if
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Speaker 1: they really believe so strongly about this, should shut their
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Speaker 1: pubs on Australia Day.
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Speaker 7: Yeah weok. I'm not going to tell them how to
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Speaker 7: run their business.
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Speaker 8: But you're right insofar as each public holiday that we get,
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Speaker 8: and we're no different to the days you pointed out there.
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Speaker 7: If there's other.
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Speaker 8: Occasions that we can market and advertise and promote and
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Speaker 8: use to drive trade, we'll grab them with both hands.
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Speaker 7: And at the other point, Chris, I've made today a
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Speaker 7: couple of times.
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Speaker 8: I think there's a misreading Boy, and I think it's
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Speaker 8: you're and my generation about how relevant and popular Australian
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Speaker 8: Day is.
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Speaker 7: I've got three kids in their early twenties.
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Speaker 8: And I've watched them pretty much from the time they've
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Speaker 8: left school, and all of their friends are out there
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Speaker 8: pre Australia Line, their Australian songs, their shorts, their T shirts,
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Speaker 8: their flobby hats, their Australian lilo's for the pool, and
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Speaker 8: they're all gathering with friends and spending an afternoon having
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Speaker 8: a barbecue. I really do think it's an extremely popular
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Speaker 8: and significant day amongst that next generation. I think people
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Speaker 8: that are in business making these calls, I think there's
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Speaker 8: definitely a disconnect with the popularity that sits underneath in
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Speaker 8: the generation following behind.
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Speaker 1: I think you're right. They used to love the Hottest
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Speaker 1: one hundred being played on that day too, but the
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Speaker 1: ABC and Triple J have ruined that for them. There
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Speaker 1: has been an update on this late today. It looks
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Speaker 1: like Australian Venues Company has got the message from their
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Speaker 1: customers because they've put out a statement which amounts to
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Speaker 1: an apology. They say, our purpose is to reinforce community
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Speaker 1: in our venues, not divided. We apologize for our comments.
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Speaker 1: It certainly wasn't our intention to offend anyone. Whether you
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Speaker 1: choose to celebrate Australia Day or not, Everyone is welcome
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Speaker 1: in our pubs always. We have been and are always
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Speaker 1: open over Australia Day and we continue to book events
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Speaker 1: for our patrons. There you go, great common sense and
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Speaker 1: the bottom line of one out.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Look, Chris, it was always as I say, I believe
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Speaker 8: that's the sensible position for all pubs throughout the country.
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Speaker 7: I don't think it's smart to enter the political world.
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Speaker 8: Or as you called it, the woke world or woke
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Speaker 8: view of the political world. And I think it looks
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Speaker 8: to me sanities prevailed. And I taught them for putting
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Speaker 8: their henut, saying we didn't realize you'd get.
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Speaker 7: This reaction and change in tact.
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Speaker 8: But as I say, if if you want to change things,
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Speaker 8: if you have to have a problem with the date
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Speaker 8: and you want to change it and it requires an
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Speaker 8: act of Parliament, put your hand up.
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Speaker 7: Run at the next direction. If you want to give
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Speaker 7: me a call, and I'll give you what advice.
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Speaker 11: You know, spot on.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly exactly what you did. Craig, thanks so much
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Speaker 1: for joining us, so I appreciate it. Craig Laundi there
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Speaker 1: from Lawnde Hotels with a lot of common sense on
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Speaker 1: this issue. Now I want to cross to the US
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Speaker 1: in a moment where right out of the blue, on
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Speaker 1: a Sunday night, US time, Joe Biden pardoned his son Hunter,
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Speaker 1: who had been convicted, as you know, of gun chargers
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Speaker 1: and had pled guilty to tax chargers too. In a statement,
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Speaker 1: the President said, from the day I took office, I
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Speaker 1: said I would not interfere with the Justice Department's decision making,
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Speaker 1: and I kept my word, even as I have watched
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Speaker 1: my son being selectively and unfairly prosecuted. No reasonable person
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Speaker 1: who looks at the facts of Hunter's cases can reach
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Speaker 1: any other conclusion than Hunter was singled out only because
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Speaker 1: he is my son, and that is wrong. Well, how
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Speaker 1: about that the most cogent to Joe Biden. This sounded
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Speaker 1: for a while. I suppose someone write it for him.
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Speaker 1: Kristen Tit shared her reaction from Boston.
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Speaker 12: That's right, Chris. Yes, many of us here in the
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Speaker 12: United States saw this coming. We didn't know when exactly
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Speaker 12: it would happen. But of course, for months and months,
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Speaker 12: Joe Biden has been claiming countless times actually that he
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Speaker 12: would not pardon his son.
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Speaker 13: He wasn't going to do it, don't worry.
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Speaker 12: But of course here we are, and the pardon covers
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Speaker 12: any criminal activity that has happened since twenty fourteen. What
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Speaker 12: happened in twenty fourteen, Chris Hunter Biden was appointed to
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Speaker 12: the board of Barisma and Biden. In the past, Joe
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Speaker 12: Biden flagrantly joked about pressuring the Ukrainians to fire the
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Speaker 12: prosecutor who was looking into Barisma and Hunter was sitting
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Speaker 12: on the board getting paid thousands of dollars for basically
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Speaker 12: doing nothing. And you know the FBI knew about all
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Speaker 12: of this a long time ago and did nothing about it.
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Speaker 12: Hunter never faced any consequences for his corruption, and now
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Speaker 12: he never will because he has been pardoned.
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Speaker 1: Look, it is an extraordinary aspect of your system to
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Speaker 1: think that the president can pardon someone like this, He's
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Speaker 1: own son. It's just flabbergast thing for those of us
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Speaker 1: outside of the USI but let's go through it on
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Speaker 1: a couple of steps. On one level. On one level,
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Speaker 1: the extounding thing here is just the lawes from Joy Boden,
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Speaker 1: because he has repeatedly said that he would not pardon
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Speaker 1: his son. He's a couple of examples girth briefing.
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Speaker 2: Since Hunter was indicted again in Los Angeles, why doesn't
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Speaker 2: present five just pardon him?
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Speaker 1: President?
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Speaker 14: I've been very clear if the President's not going to
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Speaker 14: partner one work.
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Speaker 15: Your son Hunter is on trial. And I know that
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Speaker 15: you cannot speak about an ongoing federal prosecution, but let
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Speaker 15: me ask you, will you accept the jury's outcome? They're
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Speaker 15: verdict no matter what it is, yes, And have you
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Speaker 15: ruled out a pardon for your son?
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Speaker 1: Yes, So, Christian, he's clearly broken his wood. He but
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Speaker 1: I suppose it doesn't matter because he's off it to
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Speaker 1: retirement now exactly.
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Speaker 12: And I mean, Joe Biden has always been a liar.
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Speaker 12: He's been a liar for fifty years with zero ethics.
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Speaker 12: This is a man who has been caught flagrantly plagarizing
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Speaker 12: countless times. He has lied extensively about his own biography.
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Speaker 12: I mean, I could go on and on. He said
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Speaker 12: he was shot while in Iraq that never happened. He
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Speaker 12: said he was a civil rights leader participating in sit
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Speaker 12: ins that never happened. He falsely claimed to be a
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Speaker 12: coal miner and from a family of coal miners. I mean,
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Speaker 12: I could sit here with you all night, christ and
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Speaker 12: just go on and on about the lies about his
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Speaker 12: own history. But this is especially infuriating because for the
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Speaker 12: last four years the Democrats have been on their high
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Speaker 12: horses telling us nobody's above the law. I mean, he
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Speaker 12: told Donald Trump accountable because we believe in law and order,
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Speaker 12: everyone should be held to the same standards. Well, clearly
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Speaker 12: not Hunter Biden or really any other Democrat.
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Speaker 1: We know, yeah, it is extraordinary stuff. That's the other
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Speaker 1: aspect of this. Of course, so many of the deals,
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Speaker 1: the willing and dealing that has tripped up Hunter Biden.
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Speaker 1: We know that Joe Biden was involved in their phone calls,
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Speaker 1: revealing some level of knowledge there, and of course Hunter
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Speaker 1: Biden was trading off his family name. Now with this pardon,
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Speaker 1: and I point out that Joe Biden makes no pretense
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Speaker 1: that his son is innocent. He just says he's been
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Speaker 1: targeted in these prosecutions because he's his son. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: say he's innocent. But with this pardon, does this mean
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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden's involvement in any of this will also
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Speaker 1: forever go uninvestigated.
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Speaker 12: Look, I'm sure it'll He won't face any consequences. The
20:49
Speaker 12: Republicans might act like they're going to do some sort
20:51
Speaker 12: of investigation, but the Republicans have never had enough fight
20:55
Speaker 12: in them to hold the Biden family accountable. Why wasn't
20:59
Speaker 12: this looked two years ago? And you know what's infuriating
21:03
Speaker 12: about this too, Chris, is that while Hunter was selling
21:06
Speaker 12: access to the big guy, Joe Biden was ruthlessly going
21:11
Speaker 12: after conservatives. He was sending swap teams to the homes
21:14
Speaker 12: of pro lifers. He was calling parents concerned about their
21:16
Speaker 12: children's education terrorists. That was his Justice Department doing that,
21:21
Speaker 12: and he was trying to put the former president of
21:23
Speaker 12: the United States and his political opponent, Donald Trump in prison.
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Speaker 13: The whole thing is just mind blowing.
21:29
Speaker 12: But do I think Joe Biden will face any consequences.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't. Another extraordinary day in US politics, Kristin,
21:37
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Thank you very much.
21:39
Speaker 14: Chris.
21:41
Speaker 1: How about that Hunter gets a pardon? Just extraordinary. Now
21:45
Speaker 1: we're going to go to a break after that, we're
21:47
Speaker 1: going to talk about the growing concerns of electricity grid
21:50
Speaker 1: collapse in this country. Thanks to Libra's renewables push. News
21:57
Speaker 1: today that the Australian energy market up wants new powers
22:01
Speaker 1: so it can cut off household solar panels feeding into
22:05
Speaker 1: the electricity grid because sometimes there's too much solar energy
22:08
Speaker 1: when we don't need it and it destabilizes the grid.
22:12
Speaker 1: This comes as South Australia is looking to subsidize gas
22:16
Speaker 1: generation to buttress all of its renewable energy. I caught
22:21
Speaker 1: up with energy expert from the Center for Independent Studies,
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Speaker 1: Aidan Morrison, who's just obtained a government review into the
22:27
Speaker 1: so called Integrated System Plan for the electricity grid.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, I brought a copy with in chriss what it
22:34
Speaker 16: looks like. It's something that the ministers, all the energy
22:37
Speaker 16: ministers commissioned. They commissioned it last year. It was finished
22:40
Speaker 16: in January, complete in January, and it basically says, although
22:44
Speaker 16: they try to hide it and bury it, that the
22:46
Speaker 16: ISP has absolutely fatal flaws. And so if you want
22:50
Speaker 16: to hear some specifics the ISP, it currently assumes the
22:54
Speaker 16: distribution networks will be appropriately augmented to facilitate the level
22:58
Speaker 16: of ceer penetration that's rooftop solar and all the batteries
23:02
Speaker 16: and all the electric vehicles. And they go on to
23:04
Speaker 16: say how there's just no assurance that's even going to happen.
23:07
Speaker 16: So there's absolutely fatal flaws. It's in a report that
23:11
Speaker 16: the government had commissioned, basically, and they've been camping on
23:14
Speaker 16: it keeping it absolutely quiet. It's just been tabled in
23:17
Speaker 16: a parliamentary inquiry last week and other considerations in there
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Speaker 16: too quite damning. It reveals that the ISP is not
23:24
Speaker 16: the whole of system plan that everyone thought it was.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying there from this review of the plan
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Speaker 1: that the plan doesn't actually have the fundamentals to underpin
23:34
Speaker 1: the sort of renewable lead energy good we're talking about.
23:38
Speaker 1: I mean, this would explain while we're seeing a EMO
23:41
Speaker 1: today talking about wanting to have the power to shut
23:44
Speaker 1: out solar power when there's too much solar power in
23:47
Speaker 1: the system, explained to us why that's happening.
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Speaker 16: That's exactly right, and a lot of energy analysts have
23:55
Speaker 16: been waiting and expecting for this day to come. The
23:57
Speaker 16: fact of the matter is that a little bit of
23:59
Speaker 16: whether dependent energy in the system is fine, that's relatively
24:02
Speaker 16: easy to integrate, but it does not scale well. When
24:05
Speaker 16: you get to the point where you have a lot
24:06
Speaker 16: of it, sometimes you've got too much energy. And that's
24:09
Speaker 16: exactly what we're dealing with now. And unless you have
24:11
Speaker 16: more storage systems or more transmission systems to move the
24:14
Speaker 16: energy around to places and times, then the system just
24:17
Speaker 16: doesn't work. And that's what i EMO has reluctantly admitted
24:20
Speaker 16: that we're facing in the next twelve months. In the
24:23
Speaker 16: next twelve months, they need to maintain system stability, the
24:27
Speaker 16: capacity to just shut off all rooftop solar because there's
24:29
Speaker 16: too much in the system and the system can't handle it,
24:32
Speaker 16: so it's inevitable this day was going to come. But
24:35
Speaker 16: trying to scale up weather based renewables to actually complete
24:38
Speaker 16: your whole energy system is extremely difficult and costly.
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Speaker 14: And that's also been revealed here that.
24:42
Speaker 16: The trade offs the other ways of getting reliable energy
24:45
Speaker 16: have not been weighed up and actually tested in the
24:47
Speaker 16: ISP either. So whether this is better for the consumer
24:51
Speaker 16: at the end of the day is absolutely not tested,
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Speaker 16: and that's confirmed in this review here too.
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Speaker 1: Thet me get my head around this, though. You're saying
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Speaker 1: that at certain times of the day there's too much
25:01
Speaker 1: solar energy, right, so most of the time we're worried
25:03
Speaker 1: about not having enough electricity, but during the middle of
25:06
Speaker 1: the day there can be too much solar, so they
25:09
Speaker 1: want to shut that off so it doesn't get their system,
25:12
Speaker 1: the grid out of whack. I supposed to use a
25:14
Speaker 1: layman's term, but why don't those people who put in
25:17
Speaker 1: the solar rooftops be wanting to get their feed in
25:20
Speaker 1: tariffs from that solar electricity.
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Speaker 16: That's exactly right, and that's why, unfortunately we've been sort
25:29
Speaker 16: of sol at bit of a furfey on whether this
25:31
Speaker 16: whole system stacks up fundamentally economically, including for users. And
25:35
Speaker 16: I think the reason that it's been emerging that just
25:37
Speaker 16: today that AEMO has released this admission is that Senator
25:41
Speaker 16: David Pocock a few weeks ago was asking the head
25:43
Speaker 16: of a EMO whether he needed this capacity, whether he
25:45
Speaker 16: was planning on asking for a shot off capacity, concerned
25:49
Speaker 16: by this very thing, worried that basically people that he
25:52
Speaker 16: perceived doing the right thing by investing in solar aren't
25:54
Speaker 16: going to get fully rewarded for it. And unfortunately the
25:57
Speaker 16: reality is that economics and engineering fundamentals come back to
26:01
Speaker 16: bit eventually, and it's actually not very valuable to have
26:04
Speaker 16: more power in the middle of the day when it's
26:06
Speaker 16: extremely sunny. You need it at the other times of
26:09
Speaker 16: day when you peek in your actual demand and sometimes
26:11
Speaker 16: when it's not sunny. So adding more of an uncontrollable
26:15
Speaker 16: source to the energy system does not stack up economically,
26:18
Speaker 16: and we've been essentially overcompensating people and over incentivizing for
26:23
Speaker 16: more of too much of a good thing. A little
26:25
Speaker 16: bit was maybe good, but we've now got too much
26:27
Speaker 16: of a good thing. And the honeymoon for rooftop solar
26:29
Speaker 16: is over, and it's going to get harder and more
26:31
Speaker 16: expensive and more difficult to guarantee people they'll be able.
26:34
Speaker 14: To get feed in tariffs in the future.
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Speaker 1: Well, the problems with the system are showing up further
26:38
Speaker 1: in South Australia too, where they have the most wind
26:41
Speaker 1: energy and no coal or dispatchable base load power. They're
26:46
Speaker 1: looking at trying to subsidize gas generation because it's not
26:52
Speaker 1: viable without a subsidy, so the state government is looking
26:55
Speaker 1: to subsidize gas generations so they can have enough of
26:59
Speaker 1: that around for when the wind's not blowing. They're also
27:01
Speaker 1: looking to extend the life of some diesel generators. It
27:04
Speaker 1: hardly sounds clean to me.
27:10
Speaker 16: That's exactly right. It's more of the inevitable. This is
27:12
Speaker 16: just the inevitable coming home and starting to bite us.
27:15
Speaker 16: We knew this was coming. When you want to have
27:17
Speaker 16: a system that has lots and lots of uncontrollable energy,
27:19
Speaker 16: then you need to have a huge amount of backup
27:22
Speaker 16: sitting around there, just waiting for when you have those
27:24
Speaker 16: moments when there's not enough wind and sun. And that's
27:27
Speaker 16: exactly what South Australia's facing now. And it's very difficult
27:30
Speaker 16: to make a business case to someone to invest in
27:32
Speaker 16: these backup assets when you've promised them they're only going
27:34
Speaker 16: to be used very very occasionally, very very rarely.
27:37
Speaker 14: Do they get to sell their power.
27:39
Speaker 16: So of course they're going to need some sort of help,
27:41
Speaker 16: and that's another cost that has kind of been masked
27:43
Speaker 16: and hidden. But everyone who's had their eye on the
27:45
Speaker 16: detail in these reports have seen this coming.
27:47
Speaker 14: For Miles.
27:48
Speaker 16: It is hard to scale up renewable energy beyond a
27:51
Speaker 16: certain point, and we've absolutely started to hit that point.
27:53
Speaker 16: The honeymoon for renewables is over and from here on
27:56
Speaker 16: it gets a lot harder and a lot more expensive.
27:59
Speaker 1: It's such a me it's been a slow motion, slow
28:02
Speaker 1: motion train wreck unfolding for a decade or more. Thanks
28:05
Speaker 1: for pointing it out to us, Aidan, I appreciate it.
28:09
Speaker 14: Thanks Chris.
28:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, what an absolute shambles. Hey, National Energy is self harm.
28:15
Speaker 1: It continues. Now we'll have another break on the other side.
28:18
Speaker 1: I'm going to catch up with Liberal MP Keith Wallerhan
28:21
Speaker 1: and talk about the way the Liberals are launching their
28:23
Speaker 1: attack now on the tills. Plus Sophie Ellsworth will join
28:27
Speaker 1: us from London with that praise through gritted teeth for
28:29
Speaker 1: Kevin Rudd from his nemesis Julia Gillard. Let's go to
28:37
Speaker 1: Melbourne catch up with Liberal MP and Army veteran Keith
28:40
Speaker 1: Walerhan joining us Live Good to speak to you. Keith.
28:43
Speaker 1: I'm really pleased to see the Coalition now really starting
28:47
Speaker 1: to target the tills right, because there's two things. Well,
28:50
Speaker 1: there's one thing we really know about next year's election,
28:52
Speaker 1: and that is that Labor are going to go backwards.
28:55
Speaker 1: The big question is whether the Coalition can win enough
28:58
Speaker 1: seats to form government. That's a big ask, especially because
29:01
Speaker 1: of those Till seats. But now you're going in hard
29:04
Speaker 1: against the Tills, essentially and fairly in my view, aligning
29:08
Speaker 1: them of course with Labor and the Greens, because the
29:11
Speaker 1: effect of them is to help deliver a Labor and
29:14
Speaker 1: Greens government.
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Speaker 10: There's two things I'd say, Chris. The first is that
29:18
Speaker 10: no political party owns any seat, so at every election
29:21
Speaker 10: we have to earn the trust of the people in
29:23
Speaker 10: that seat. That includes the Teal seats, that includes my own,
29:27
Speaker 10: and we will do that in the coming election. The
29:29
Speaker 10: second thing I would say is we're not attacking them
29:31
Speaker 10: as people. We're attacking their ideas and we're attacking their
29:35
Speaker 10: record and that's quite a different thing, and we can
29:37
Speaker 10: do that in a civilized way, and that's certainly the
29:39
Speaker 10: way we have conducted and we will in the future.
29:42
Speaker 10: But it's an important point because the Teals talk about
29:44
Speaker 10: truth in political advertising, and in many respects, a lot
29:48
Speaker 10: of the voters in those seats were sold a lighter
29:51
Speaker 10: shade of liberal that's what they were sold. But when
29:54
Speaker 10: you look at their record and the amount of times
29:56
Speaker 10: they align not just with Labor but with the Greens,
30:00
Speaker 10: that is something that the voters in those seats are
30:02
Speaker 10: entitled to know and that's what that's what we're doing
30:05
Speaker 10: in the coming weeks and months.
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Speaker 1: Well, good on you, and I think it's important. I've
30:08
Speaker 1: been saying this since before the last election that they're
30:10
Speaker 1: a fraudulent movement for two reasons. One is because they
30:14
Speaker 1: pretended not to be a party when in effect they
30:16
Speaker 1: act like a political party. And secondly, yeah, they pretend
30:19
Speaker 1: to be on the right of center when they're actually
30:22
Speaker 1: a green left political movement. As this add that the
30:26
Speaker 1: coalition is now that Liberal party is now circulating points out.
30:30
Speaker 17: Have a look since the last election till independent MPs
30:34
Speaker 17: are voted most often, with the Greens followed by Labor.
30:37
Speaker 17: The next election will be close, with many commentators predicting
30:40
Speaker 17: a hung parliament. Are Labor Greens tells minority government, don't
30:45
Speaker 17: risk it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the right debate to have. It's a good attack,
30:50
Speaker 1: political attack, as you say, on the policies involved. But
30:54
Speaker 1: I suppose when you put it that way too, Keith,
30:56
Speaker 1: it under scores the battle you've got ahead of yourselves
31:00
Speaker 1: as the coalition parties, because you're battling Labor, the Greens
31:03
Speaker 1: and the Teals.
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Speaker 10: We do and we're up for that fight. In the end,
31:08
Speaker 10: the people of Australia will make a decision and they're
31:10
Speaker 10: going to judge the Labor government on their record, and
31:12
Speaker 10: they should judge the Crossbench on their record. But there's
31:15
Speaker 10: an important point to note here, Chris. We live in
31:17
Speaker 10: a representative democracy, so on many occasions the decisions that
31:21
Speaker 10: parliamentarians make are about issues that we don't know yet,
31:25
Speaker 10: So the values of the party or the candidate really matter.
31:28
Speaker 10: Now we know what the values of the Labor Party are.
31:31
Speaker 10: They're democratic socialists and it's on their website. They're quite
31:34
Speaker 10: proud of that, and good luck to them. But we
31:36
Speaker 10: also know what the values of the Liberal Party are.
31:39
Speaker 10: We believe in individual freedom, free enterprise, and families and
31:42
Speaker 10: those are the values that guide us in decisions that
31:45
Speaker 10: are uncertain and that haven't occurred yet. But what are
31:47
Speaker 10: the values of the Teals We don't really know what
31:50
Speaker 10: they are. And I've turned my mind to that on
31:52
Speaker 10: their voting record, and I think it can be concluded
31:55
Speaker 10: in this way.
31:56
Speaker 1: Chris.
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Speaker 10: I think they are technocrats because whenever there's a decision
31:59
Speaker 10: to be made, they will defer to our better as
32:02
Speaker 10: our elite bureaucrats to make decisions, whether it's the Misinformation
32:06
Speaker 10: Bill or many other decisions. They're seeking to take power
32:09
Speaker 10: out of our democracy and into the hands of bureaucrats
32:12
Speaker 10: who they think no better.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well summarized, and that's a problem because in
32:16
Speaker 1: the end, the reason we have politicians is for the
32:19
Speaker 1: politicians to make these decisions. Well informed, of course, but
32:23
Speaker 1: they've got to make the decisions. Thanks for joining us, Keith,
32:25
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Keith Wallaham there the Liberal MP in
32:29
Speaker 1: Melbourne joining us live. I want to go to London
32:32
Speaker 1: now because it's only forty eight days until Donald Trump's
32:35
Speaker 1: inauguration in Washington. I bet that Kevin Rud's anxiously caning
32:39
Speaker 1: down the days, of course, because he's desperate to cling
32:42
Speaker 1: to his job as US ambassador, and he's in strife
32:46
Speaker 1: of course for, among other things, call him Donald Trump
32:50
Speaker 1: a traitor to the West. There's lots of guest work
32:53
Speaker 1: as to whether or not Kevin Rudd will be able
32:55
Speaker 1: to stay in the role. Former Prime Minister Julia Gillard,
32:57
Speaker 1: as I showed you at the top of the programs,
33:00
Speaker 1: awkwardly avoided speculating have another look at what Sophiel's worth.
33:04
Speaker 1: Put to Julia Gillard in London. Mate last week.
33:07
Speaker 4: Said on Platform X he's the most destructive president in history.
33:12
Speaker 4: He's traded to the West, he's removed those posts.
33:15
Speaker 5: What's your view on this?
33:16
Speaker 4: And he is inappropriate that he remains in that role
33:20
Speaker 4: as Australia's ambassador to the US.
33:23
Speaker 2: Just from an abundance of caution in terms of the
33:26
Speaker 2: Australian news cycle, let me just say Australia picks its ambassadors.
33:34
Speaker 2: It's pick Kevin Rud, who's doing a very good job
33:37
Speaker 2: for our country in the United States.
33:40
Speaker 1: Sophiel's with it, joins me live from London. Good to
33:42
Speaker 1: talk to you, Sophie. I mean, how much fun are
33:44
Speaker 1: you having? Already turning up at a Julia Gilhard event
33:48
Speaker 1: and asking her about Kevin Runn. She wasn't very convincing,
33:51
Speaker 1: she said, seemed to say what she felt she had
33:53
Speaker 1: to say. Right.
33:56
Speaker 5: Well, it was really interesting, Chris, because I went to
33:59
Speaker 5: this event where she was talking about politics. I asked
34:02
Speaker 5: her about politics. The moderator was not very pleased with me.
34:07
Speaker 5: He basically said, you don't have to answer the question.
34:10
Speaker 5: But really, bizarrely, six minutes later she came back to
34:14
Speaker 5: my question and answered it very awkwardly, praising Kevin Rudd.
34:19
Speaker 5: So the viewers can make up their own mind whether
34:22
Speaker 5: she actually means what she said or not. But I
34:24
Speaker 5: think it is a question people want to know. She's
34:27
Speaker 5: a colleague of his, she's a former prime minister. Does
34:30
Speaker 5: she think he's fit for office in that role?
34:34
Speaker 1: Well, she's on the record as saying that he was
34:36
Speaker 1: an absolutely shamboic, shambolic and chaotic as a prime minister,
34:40
Speaker 1: so presumably he would be pretty chaotic as an ambassador.
34:44
Speaker 1: That's the only judgment we can take. But yeah, fascinating,
34:48
Speaker 1: great that you tracked it down and put that question
34:50
Speaker 1: to her, because this issue is not going away just yet.
34:53
Speaker 1: I want to get you on UK politics now because
34:56
Speaker 1: Kirs Starmer, the Labor prime Minister of only six months,
35:00
Speaker 1: is an all sorts of strife, isn't he. Immigration seems
35:03
Speaker 1: to be one of his biggest issues and he's promising
35:06
Speaker 1: to get tough on that. We hear that a lot
35:08
Speaker 1: from the left and they never deliver. But there's also
35:10
Speaker 1: this petition out to try and have a fresh election
35:13
Speaker 1: to get rid of him already. Tell us about the
35:16
Speaker 1: just the climate there at the moment and how he's coping.
35:21
Speaker 5: Well, that's right, Chris, there was this petition. There's nearly
35:24
Speaker 5: three million signatures calling for another election. But he has
35:28
Speaker 5: had a really shocking start since he took office in July.
35:32
Speaker 5: He's had the party scandals, sorry, the spending scandals, the
35:37
Speaker 5: freebies that he's been getting.
35:39
Speaker 7: He just had a minister last week.
35:41
Speaker 5: She got sacked because she had a reported a phone
35:46
Speaker 5: stolen which turned out wasn't stolen. So he's had issues
35:49
Speaker 5: with his own staff. You know, there's been a whole
35:53
Speaker 5: range of problems here. He's had a really bad start
35:57
Speaker 5: and people when I'm talking to them every day out
36:00
Speaker 5: in the street. I'm asking them what is their concern
36:03
Speaker 5: And there's two things that stick out for me, Chris.
36:06
Speaker 5: It's migration and cost of living, which is very similar
36:10
Speaker 5: to what you have back there in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Exactly the same issues will be big in our election
36:15
Speaker 1: next year. Now, speaking of what the people in the
36:18
Speaker 1: street are saying, you talk to them about Australia's social
36:21
Speaker 1: media laws. This has been big news around the world
36:24
Speaker 1: to limit to social media for sixteen year olds and under.
36:28
Speaker 1: And here's what some of the poems had to say
36:30
Speaker 1: to Sophie on the streets of London.
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Speaker 13: Is a good and bad in everything is how it's used.
36:36
Speaker 18: I think it's a great idea.
36:38
Speaker 13: I'm not sure that it would be easy to.
36:42
Speaker 1: Carry out. It's the first choice as the pears responsibility.
36:45
Speaker 1: Parents need to take control of the children and the
36:47
Speaker 1: He's going in charge of what is and what the
36:49
Speaker 1: children of you and what they can't if God. Interesting stuff, Sophie,
36:56
Speaker 1: because everybody sort of agrees with the outcome here. Everyone
37:00
Speaker 1: wants the same outcome. But we're really a guinea pig
37:03
Speaker 1: for the rest of the world on this stuff.
37:04
Speaker 5: Now, Absolutely, Chris, and it really was a divide. A
37:09
Speaker 5: lot of people supporting it here in the UK saying
37:12
Speaker 5: it's good that there's a ban for under sixteen, others
37:16
Speaker 5: saying no.
37:16
Speaker 7: It's up to the parents' choice.
37:18
Speaker 5: I spoke to one parent here, Ellen Rue, whose son
37:22
Speaker 5: actually died in what she believes was an online challenge
37:25
Speaker 5: that went wrong. He was fourteen years old.
37:28
Speaker 7: He died two years ago.
37:29
Speaker 5: She's trying to access what he was viewing in the
37:33
Speaker 5: lead up to his death, and she cannot get that
37:36
Speaker 5: information from the tech companies. So there are big issues
37:39
Speaker 5: here with social media usage in the UK and beyond
37:43
Speaker 5: through Europe.
37:44
Speaker 13: But there are a lot.
37:45
Speaker 5: Of people watching Australia closely and in support of the
37:48
Speaker 5: move that they have made.
37:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, and presumably the social media companies would have that information.
37:53
Speaker 1: It's just about whether or not they're prepared to share it.
37:55
Speaker 1: So it's a fascinating issue. Thanks for joining us, Sophie,
37:58
Speaker 1: Great stuff, Sophie Ellsworth. Their kicking goals already in the
38:02
Speaker 1: UK for News Corp. We've got to get to a
38:04
Speaker 1: break on the other side, Gematon Uni and Caroline Russo,
38:07
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the record number of Aussies now struggling
38:09
Speaker 1: with electricity bills plus the return to work mandates. Well
38:13
Speaker 1: they're getting a lot of resistance, especially from white collar workers.
38:20
Speaker 1: Let's get on with our Monday panel when we're joined
38:23
Speaker 1: by gemmaton Uini on the desk, key with me from
38:25
Speaker 1: GT Communications to see you again, Gemma and joining us
38:28
Speaker 1: from Perth. Just back in Perth now is the host
38:31
Speaker 1: of the Royal Report, Caroline de Russo. Good to see you, Caro.
38:35
Speaker 1: What about Australia Day? What about this? Two hundred pubs
38:38
Speaker 1: who reckon they wanted to ignore Australia Day? Could you
38:42
Speaker 1: think of anything more on Australian than the pubs doing
38:45
Speaker 1: this to their patrons?
38:51
Speaker 13: Chris, who knows?
38:52
Speaker 11: The interesting thing is they've already backflipped this afternoon, so
38:56
Speaker 11: you know, obviously some bright spark in the marketing department
38:59
Speaker 11: or the good department or whatever's going on in corporate
39:02
Speaker 11: Australia who are actually not paying attention to call business
39:06
Speaker 11: thought this was a lovely way to ingratiate themselves in
39:09
Speaker 11: to whoever.
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Speaker 13: None of us are actually really sure who keeps doing this.
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Speaker 11: Stuff and why they think it's a good idea, But
39:17
Speaker 11: apparently someone who's responsible for keeping the place Solvent has
39:20
Speaker 11: finally realized that actually we do want people to patronize
39:23
Speaker 11: us on Australia Day because we sell money. We make
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Speaker 11: money by selling beer and food and other things like that.
39:29
Speaker 11: So thankfully they've come to their senses very quickly. You
39:33
Speaker 11: might have been just surprised they didn't work it out
39:35
Speaker 11: after Woolworths last year they had to lose a CEO
39:39
Speaker 11: and various other companies just keep making the same mistake.
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Speaker 13: Is no one paying attention?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and guess what they also make money out of
39:45
Speaker 1: the people go to the pub for a meal and
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Speaker 1: a drink with their friends to talk about stuff they
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Speaker 1: want to talk about, not to be lectured to about
39:53
Speaker 1: social issues and the like. Just a pointer, I mentioned
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Speaker 1: to you the list of venues in your state of
40:00
Speaker 1: the Sky News website. Now we're carrying the full list there,
40:03
Speaker 1: so if you want to check which venues they've got
40:05
Speaker 1: and decide to avoid them, go ahead via the Sky
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Speaker 1: News website. But Jemma, they've already back down. But as
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Speaker 1: you and I were saying, oh fair, they've back down
40:13
Speaker 1: because of the backlash. They wanted to do this. They
40:16
Speaker 1: wanted to use their pubs to lecture people.
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Speaker 18: They're not sorry. They're sorry they got caught. It's the
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Speaker 18: first thing. And I think the absolute temerity of these
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Speaker 18: people who make their lip. And I'm not a wowser,
40:26
Speaker 18: by the way, but I did grow up with alcoholism
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Speaker 18: in my home and I've written about that. And it's
40:30
Speaker 18: not like these people sell booze, and we know that
40:34
Speaker 18: there is a clear link to booze and violent, violent,
40:37
Speaker 18: domestic violence, family domestic violence, alcoholic liver disease, all of
40:41
Speaker 18: these things. And they're going, oh no, but we don't
40:43
Speaker 18: want to hurt people, so we're not going to celebrate
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Speaker 18: Australia Day. Let's talk about the hat that is done
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Speaker 18: to the Australian community through alcohol abuse. Let's talk about
40:52
Speaker 18: the cost of the Australian health budget. Let's talk about
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Speaker 18: pokeys and gambling. These people are the absolute worst because
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Speaker 18: they lecture and they say we're going to do this,
41:03
Speaker 18: and you're the worst person because you want to wear
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Speaker 18: an Aussie flag and celebrate Australia Day or guess what
41:08
Speaker 18: hypocrisy that's what you are.
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Speaker 1: I wonder whether it's also the corporatization of pubs at
41:14
Speaker 1: play here, right. I know a lot of publicans, some
41:16
Speaker 1: very successful, were speaking earlier to Craig Laundy. Publicans know
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Speaker 1: their customers, don't they know? And it doesn't matter how
41:23
Speaker 1: many pubs they own. They know them. They drink and
41:25
Speaker 1: then they talk, they eat with these people. These people
41:27
Speaker 1: are sort of going some head office in Sydney telling
41:29
Speaker 1: two hundred venues around the country on behalf of some
41:32
Speaker 1: Asian financial investors. They got no idea who their customers
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Speaker 1: really are.
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Speaker 18: It's like Cara said, someone in the you know, dare
41:39
Speaker 18: I say, marketing department. We don't do marketing for the record,
41:42
Speaker 18: don't take me that brush. But someone in that role
41:45
Speaker 18: has gone, or someone in another role at the feel
41:47
Speaker 18: good department. Oh Australia, let's jump on that bangwagon. How
41:50
Speaker 18: about you stick to your court head.
41:54
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to stick their nity.
41:56
Speaker 18: Have a shitty and a pine.
41:57
Speaker 1: A decent snitty and a cold beer. Now you're making
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Speaker 1: me hungry. Have a look at what some of the
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Speaker 1: politicians have to say about this today.
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Speaker 18: I think it's time for us to bury this once
42:07
Speaker 18: and for all on Corporate Australia to go back to
42:09
Speaker 18: their job, which is.
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Speaker 1: To create wealth and create jobs and make money and
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Speaker 1: pay taxes.
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Speaker 4: I think it's still an important day for the country.
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Speaker 14: I genuinely do.
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Speaker 16: I don't think that you can have a sense of
42:20
Speaker 16: national purpose unless you can rally around.
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Speaker 11: These important national days on the annual calendar.
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Speaker 17: Is a day that we can come together and reflect
42:28
Speaker 17: on what makes our state.
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Speaker 8: Our nation strong, what individuals do and organizations that's up
42:35
Speaker 8: to them.
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Speaker 7: It's a free country.
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Speaker 14: I We're not going to force anyone to celebrate the day.
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Speaker 8: But from the government's perspective, it's our national day and
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Speaker 8: the day we come together.
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Speaker 1: There you go find a word from you on this one, Caro.
42:49
Speaker 1: The thing here is it's not about the date either.
42:51
Speaker 1: So can we celebrate this country or not? And some
42:53
Speaker 1: people are trying to pretend we can't. Well, most Australians say, yes,
42:57
Speaker 1: we should celebrate our country.
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Speaker 11: They are and I think particularly over the course of
43:05
Speaker 11: I've really noticed it the last six months, but particularly
43:08
Speaker 11: since the referendum. I think people are just sick of
43:11
Speaker 11: being shamed because they love their country.
43:14
Speaker 13: We're sick of being told that everything we do is bad,
43:17
Speaker 13: that everything about us is terrible.
43:19
Speaker 11: I mean, when you think about how Australia has developed
43:24
Speaker 11: into the nation, it has in what is an.
43:26
Speaker 13: Incredibly short period of time when you're talking.
43:28
Speaker 11: About you know, as far as the Western civilization of
43:33
Speaker 11: things goes, it's an extraordinary achievement.
43:36
Speaker 13: Why are we constantly told that it's a terrible thing
43:41
Speaker 13: that we should feel bad about.
43:42
Speaker 11: I mean, my family only migrated here in the nineteen
43:44
Speaker 11: fifty so not my problem. But you know, I think
43:47
Speaker 11: people have finally started the pushback, and we've seen the pushback.
43:50
Speaker 13: In a number of other areas.
43:52
Speaker 11: We are now starting to see the pushback into gender
43:55
Speaker 11: ideology and some of the pushback into some of the
43:58
Speaker 11: energy narrative that we have been fed and for a
44:00
Speaker 11: long time we're not allowed to question because you were
44:03
Speaker 11: going to get canceled. I actually think people have become
44:05
Speaker 11: less worried about getting canceled, and I think we will
44:08
Speaker 11: slowly heal.
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Speaker 13: Chris, so to speak.
44:11
Speaker 1: I hope you're very optimistic, and I hope you're right,
44:13
Speaker 1: and there is some inkling. There's certainly there's pushback, but
44:15
Speaker 1: I hope people learn to embrace an argument and debate.
44:18
Speaker 1: It's okay if we just disagree on some issues on energy,
44:22
Speaker 1: which you mentioned there. I want to talk about that again.
44:24
Speaker 1: I know I talk a lot about energy. But this
44:26
Speaker 1: is really hurting people and hurting the country. And the
44:29
Speaker 1: latest numbers out today show that one hundred and thirty
44:32
Speaker 1: thousand Australians are now on the difficult payment plans with
44:36
Speaker 1: their electricity provider. That's up from ninety five thousand last year.
44:40
Speaker 1: So Jemma, that's more than a thirty percent, more than
44:42
Speaker 1: a third increase on the number of people who essentially
44:45
Speaker 1: can't pay their power bills.
44:47
Speaker 18: Minister Bowen is dancing this country towards the cliff that
44:52
Speaker 18: he refuses to accept. Is there there is nobody else
44:56
Speaker 18: who can be responsible for our current trajectory. I would
45:00
Speaker 18: say though, that energy policy in general has been the
45:04
Speaker 18: greatest area of policy failure in recent history. Over both
45:08
Speaker 18: successive sides of government, coalition governments and the labor governments,
45:12
Speaker 18: They've all failed on it. This government had an opportunity
45:16
Speaker 18: to steady the ship, to take a centrist view that
45:19
Speaker 18: would not plunge people into energy poverty.
45:22
Speaker 12: And yet it is not.
45:23
Speaker 18: And yet Minister Bowen is the definition of tinied in
45:28
Speaker 18: this respect, refusing to listen, refusing to acknowledge that he
45:31
Speaker 18: could possibly be wrong, and the consequences are absolutely dire.
45:36
Speaker 18: Those are for families. What about industry, what about small business?
45:40
Speaker 18: What about manufacturing? What's left of manufacturing in this country?
45:44
Speaker 18: And I believe firmly that Australians have got their baseball
45:49
Speaker 18: bats cricket bats probably is a better analogy by the
45:51
Speaker 18: front door, and they're getting ready to use them because
45:53
Speaker 18: at the end of the day, this government promised to
45:56
Speaker 18: lower energy bills.
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Speaker 13: It did not.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned the cliff. You know, I wrote
46:02
Speaker 1: about this on the weekend. It's Thelma and Luise like
46:04
Speaker 1: he's got the foot on the accelerator and he's going
46:06
Speaker 1: off the cliff. He's not changing course. It's a big,
46:09
Speaker 1: big problem. I just want to go to another big
46:11
Speaker 1: problem too with you, Caro, and that is getting people
46:14
Speaker 1: back to the office. The travel is at the moment
46:17
Speaker 1: there are a lot of companies trying to get people
46:18
Speaker 1: back to the office. And when the demand is put
46:21
Speaker 1: on workers, the employment market is so strong, they're saying,
46:26
Speaker 1: we'll stick your job. I'm not coming back to work.
46:28
Speaker 1: I'm going to go do a job that I can
46:29
Speaker 1: do from home. This is a real worry, isn't it
46:33
Speaker 1: for companies to worry?
46:34
Speaker 13: But it's also choice.
46:35
Speaker 11: Well, yeah it is, But you know.
46:38
Speaker 13: It's people's choice.
46:39
Speaker 11: If people do want to work from home and they
46:41
Speaker 11: don't want to work at the office, well then you
46:43
Speaker 11: need to work.
46:44
Speaker 13: A job that suits you.
46:46
Speaker 1: You know.
46:47
Speaker 11: Similarly, for those companies, yes the market is strong, but
46:50
Speaker 11: you know there's the opportunity to hire.
46:53
Speaker 13: People who do actually want to show up.
46:55
Speaker 11: And I mean, we've got a productivity problem in this country, Chris,
46:59
Speaker 11: and you can't tell tell me that people working from home,
47:02
Speaker 11: particularly over a long period of time, are as productive
47:05
Speaker 11: as people who are showing their face at the office. Similarly, Chris,
47:09
Speaker 11: and I really felt for graduates, say, for example, during COVID,
47:14
Speaker 11: you learn so much by looking and watching at the
47:18
Speaker 11: seniors in your workplace to learn the skills and the
47:24
Speaker 11: way to do things that you know, I really think
47:26
Speaker 11: it's incumbent on the next generation for those more senior
47:28
Speaker 11: people to go to the office to be able to
47:30
Speaker 11: teach everyone how to do things well. Of course, Chris,
47:34
Speaker 11: this here is a problem for the air conditioned lanyard
47:37
Speaker 11: wearing class because if you were working.
47:39
Speaker 13: In a frontline job, you have to go to work.
47:42
Speaker 1: So you're in construction, or you're a nurse, or you're
47:45
Speaker 1: a mechanic, exactly. It's a bit of a first world issue.
47:50
Speaker 1: I think it's good to turn up at the workplace.
47:52
Speaker 1: The added flexibility is brilliant for so many people, but
47:55
Speaker 1: let's not take have a lend of ourselves over it.
47:57
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Caroline and Jim, appreciate it. You
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Speaker 1: Next week, I just want to finish up on some
48:01
Speaker 1: of your feedback. I viewer feedback from what we had
48:04
Speaker 1: to say last week about electricity prices and Chris Bowen.
48:07
Speaker 1: As Jemma was just talking about. One viewer says, Chris
48:10
Speaker 1: Bowen is literally laughing at you. He scammed Australians into
48:14
Speaker 1: believing his lies. And Kim says, put Parliament House completely
48:18
Speaker 1: on wind sole and batteries no backup. They not us,
48:22
Speaker 1: must pay all the costs themselves. Now that would be
48:25
Speaker 1: an interesting experiment, and that one has got my vote
48:28
Speaker 1: for sure. Thanks so much for joining me. I'll be
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Speaker 1: back tomorrow night. Here's Peter Creedlin