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Josh Schrock Returns With All The Bears Takes You Need · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the Wendy City podcast, presented by fans side it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have Josh Schrock and the faces of a former show you have here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have us together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were once mighty and strong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now we're just spursed and immersed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you have us together shout out Alex reaching out to Josh to form this pride to the bare season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we can get some hate on the show because that's what I struck brings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we need to do good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to do good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to do good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to do good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to do good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we got a once what was the last part of NBC Chicago on TV every three to four days on your ass back on his show Josh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me on your program.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good to be back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, I got the Texan Alex and I had to as son of mine to dive back into the bears a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been, you know, cursed cursorly kind of checking it out, but I just wanted to make sure I have my eyes dotted my T's cross because I'm back to inflame the fan base once more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into a backup right guard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to be the backup right guard on the interior?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in the take chair now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not the journalist chair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're not you're not getting any sort of PFF grades out of me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you know what I want to know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Someone who thought that Ben Johnson would never take the bear's job once.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's leave it all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but no, taking away all that Josh last year before we get into what the bears may do this season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a few questions, but one question, what did you think prior to the bare season last year?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What did you think at the beginning of the bare season?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what did you think at the end?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what were your thoughts not being on the beat and what ended up being Ben Johnson's rookie season as a head coach and as the bare set coach?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, if you want to start before the season, I've always been wildly impressed with Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for the bears to pull that off for George McCaske to basically just open up the checkbook and have Ben Johnson write his check.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's wildly impressive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what it takes to win really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Kudos there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, can I think we texted about it at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was very interesting that the second Ben Johnson came in,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Paul's all of a sudden went from like I can find these kind of like gems on the O line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the whisperer like you know what man f this let's go get Jotunny and Drew Dalman and Jonah Jackson and not get our young quarterback beat to hell which you know hey hats off to him to finally get in the message was a little late but I appreciated that great coaching staff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not my Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love Dennis Allen covered him with the Raiders a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's incredibly smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great D.C. Declan Doyle
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[SPEAKER_00]: rising star.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Ravens, I still talk people in the league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They love him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's going to do great things with the Margex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so starting up there, I thought Ben Johnson did a terrific job building a staff and really building it around Caleb and kind of how those two can marry it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So starting off, I thought like they're already in a much better spot than they've ever been in the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I covered them just because you upgrade massively at head coach and they did what we said they should do before they drafted Caleb, which was like just get an
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[SPEAKER_00]: to marry with the young quarterback and get the development off the ground so off the bat I thought they were they were off to a good start in the middle of season You know, it's interesting it gets off through a pretty rocky start and I'm sorry that the loss to JJ McCarthy when JJ McCarthy has like an out-of-body experience And we'll probably never play like that ever again because it'll be working it's to no co-station pretty soon
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, that was just like the most bears thing I've ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, maybe they are curse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I was completely wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it wasn't a coach in the offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it just goes and that's totally fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone's just washed their hands and just just go be outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go be with the people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's never going to get better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So many, I mean, I want to start with Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we used to talk about Justin Fields, the big thing we would always talk about was like, we're all your words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to come to play in the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Caleb's still got a lot of words, but when it is winning time, he makes some absolutely insane plays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you can't teach it, you really can't even coach it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a Nate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That throw against the Rams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I was catatonic for like four minutes after it happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I just laid on the floor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wow, they're gonna win the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't saying they can't be killed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like Michael Myers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think overall, obviously the season was an incredible success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got the coach right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got the quarterback right as we said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And look, the arrow's trending up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think no matter what the record says in six months, there are a much better spot than we could have thought 18 months ago when Maddie Ruflus was forgetting to call timeouts and rolling around like a corpse and Detroit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those are some times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, just drilling down more on Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you said they got the quarterback right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it feels like this is obviously the closest they've ever been to having the guy, like, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready to declare him the guy he did it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or what do you need to see?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you saw the fourth quarter magic, but there are words as mentioned as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you need to see to crown him?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's the one they finally did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you'd have to tell me what that means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, do I think that he's certainly talented enough and good enough?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get a second contract.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be a big second contract.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess in that sense, they have found the guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I think he's going to be a super cool?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the talent, the things he can do, I would say, there are, he can make plays that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: two other people in the lead can make it as Patrick Holmes and Josh Allen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just the escape ability with the arm talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really rare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The accuracy is just it's got to get better overall and there's a lot of reasons for that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can talk about, I think the bears were second or led the league in drops, had some receiver air, but also,
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[SPEAKER_00]: he's last and expected completion percentage among guys not named Brady Cook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had 12 games under 60% completion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's got to get better at taking the layups.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to get better at making quicker decisions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When the play breaks down, we know he's he's an easy and all-star.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he just is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if he can
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he can get the basic stuff that Ben Johnson wants him to do down, that position is going to go way up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The offense is going to get better in the first three quarters and not going to have to rely so much on Caleb just being Caleb in the 400 because they'll probably be ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so one question I have and the first of all for you to say that you had to to catch up on what was happening to hit us with those stats are very just right to say, please thoughts on him being drafted over Drake may your beloved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's still at this point and you got you got to say because Drake made it to the Super Bowl, but you're thoughts Yeah, that's true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm drummer for Drake may at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still love Drake may.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Drake may is incredible I think the Drake may Josh Mejano's pairing is is a plus I always like Drake may over Caleb and it was by inches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I always thought Caleb was tremendous the talent was always a parent it was just the
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[SPEAKER_00]: ability to play within structure and I like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like seeing Drake be able to do that a little more than we saw Caleb do at USC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it's a toss.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, this quarterback class, I mean, Drake's incredible Caleb is a superstar, has superstar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's on the cover of Madden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, take that for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, you know, yeah, Bowenix has been really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That mayor does Sean Pate has been tremendous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jade Daniels, I mean, they got some work to do, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really good rookie season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to say health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can't as we talked about, but the class in general is really, really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would still probably take Drake may write now over Caleb, but we could talk in four months and Caleb will have been really good at taking the cheese, taking the layups, and marrying that with the big play potential, and then maybe he overtakes him, but it's neck and neck.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the funny thing, and I didn't think about it to just set this and that's just on me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The marrying of these offensive play colors to these quarterbacks is, of course, my own ex, of course, but Josh McDaniels and Drake may and then Vin Johnson come to Chicago because I think that's essential in what has happened with Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And why I think Caleb may end up better than Drake.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we haven't even talked about the fact that we had our, your boy in Washington with Jayden, I mean, Jayden.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, click.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, click.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, click.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kingsbury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But and the reason I bring it up is, it's essential, really.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what thing we don't talk about a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's eventually no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You need an offensive mind in Alex and I all the time we're talking about this when we're on this show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are talking about the importance of binge arts and I mean, if you don't think binge arts and it is the key to unlocking what you have in quarterback at everything you're saying as far as playing on script.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's like last week's episode, I feel like Alex, a lot of the things we were talking about were playing on script.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And why I'm I'm still more I'm still more Caleb and also we have more than one Caleb here Chicago for you Josh's you haven't been here just you know I heard I watched a little summer league and I figured you were pretty excited to have the next tracing of gradient Chicago it's nice to have a
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to throw a little bit faster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a 610 phrase.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's impressive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, oh, we finally got to see him in the bulls uniform, but yeah, but again, beginning back to the bears, that's one thing that stands out to me as far as the pairing and how it's needed and we haven't seen it here in the goggles because we've never had an office of my day at Coach like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, it's, it's, it's a, it's essential.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it, you know, in the lead up to the, to the 2024 draft is just when you're, when you get this kind of stroke of luck plus sure move with the trade for the Brysion pick, you pretty much set up, you just don't want to fumble it right you just, you want to give the guy you're going to draft to as all as town all the.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the past to succeed in the biggest path is offensive minded head coach who believes in the quarterback and who has the intelligence to marry his scheme to what the quarterback does well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the bears took the long way to get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They took they took a long detour to get there with an unnecessary rookie season for Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's there now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to talk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why do seever or left tackle Josh rock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go wider, Sever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we should.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We should save the left tackle defensive line talk to the end because I know can't be well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to lose them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to lose them early.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: DJ Morris out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Roma Dune Zay is in Roma Dune Zay for half of a season was a stud.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, looked every bit a wider Sever one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then his foot injury happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does not look as good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's playing with the new normal and now Luther burden is also in town and also is like hey, by the way, I could be a wire receiver one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: just unpacked this wide receiver room for me and just like what are your thoughts on room at Dunes A since the three of us, we were banging that drum for Oma Dunes A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had him on the show before he was even a Chicago bear being like, let me be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'd be a bear my guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and and we were banging that drum for Oma Dunes A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just how do you unpack all of that moving forward?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when they drafted Luther Bird and not the writing was pretty much on the wall for DJ Moore, it was pretty much like, hey, we're going to get out of this business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ken, I know that was you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You said that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You said that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I think that's what it makes you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We did have a different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you and James looked at me like, I was like, isn't DJ Moore out with this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got like, come on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I'm like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you're right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that decision is it's more faith and I think it's more faith and Caleb Williams ability to elevate all the parts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that the bears are incredibly excited about Luther Bird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the last month he had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The town's always been there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm a Missouri.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we need to fill the way second round, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Phil, second round that's incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's incredible steel just for the talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can kind of get.
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[SPEAKER_00]: get him work in the way he's supposed to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The adunzel thing is what war is, I mean, not from a town perspective, but when I hear new normal and we're talking about feet, it's a, it's a big bet on Roman dunes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They see they're going to, that new normal is going to be enough or Lutheran burdens going to be better than Roman dunes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we can live with Roman dunes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're being a two, a one B slash C at a new normal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Cliff Raymond, right, he's on board now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of the three little speedy guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the big thing for me is that what they lose in DJ Moore, they have in coolson love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's really what it comes down to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can lose a wide receiver when you are 36% in two tied in, 9% in three tied in, you're probably gonna tick that up with Sam Roush, right, coolson love one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when they drafted him Kent, we were talking, and I was a big Tyler Warren guy, but I remember texting people around the league, and it was like everyone was like, look, this guy is going to be a top three tight end in three years, like that's just a talent that he has.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you marry him with the guy like Ben Johnson, who is so good at
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[SPEAKER_00]: understanding his tight instincts of getting them open and playing them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Colson Lovon is is an offensive weapon like he's not really a tight end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's more of a he's more of a Kelsey light in you can move him around a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got incredible hands and the you marry that with Colcomet and Sam Rausch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know the past catchers in general.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very high on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the receiver position is going to be interesting just because if a
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[SPEAKER_00]: cannot play a lot or if the foot keeps him from being the Romanians that he was supposed to be when they took him in 2024, then Luther Burton has to take a big leap instead of the probably moderate leap they're expecting in year two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's something to monitor, but in general it's just a bet on Caleb Williams being good enough to shoulder the load and make those guys make those guys better than maybe the sum of their parts, not that they're not good, but making them
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's, and we've talked about it, but it's kind of sad, and I hope it's not going to be a new reality, um, that Rome isn't going to be close to what he was, you know, I'm saying like that, that would be sad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, especially in Alex mentioned it, um, and you guys got to talk to him in the locker room, but just interviewing them and just like the character that it seemed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that roamed this lady that he won't get to see that, but you've mentioned Sam Raush and I'll be remiss if I didn't want to ask you your thoughts on yeah we'll get this safety but I'll be Dan we're drafting all offense damn dare until we get an africana in the backing of the draft you're also in this draft and how Ben Johnson went ham as we see who is running this organization at this
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[SPEAKER_00]: home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't say, I can't say it's what I would have done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say, I can't pound the table and tell you a big man, really ace to bet just knock my socks off and give it a day plus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like Dylan Thena, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, hashtag go dox, sorry, and a drillers career does very sad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As best to bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a town
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just absolutely, I mean, if I'm drafting a safety in round one, man, he better be, you better tell me he's going to have five all pros and be almost booked for the Hall of Fame because I can find a whole lot of safety in round three, four and five that can be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: five eighths of that right and when you have needs at we're going to get to the deadline but when you have needs at pass rush and interior deadline at left tackle got we are still on the left tackle thing I cannot believe they have not figured that out that is incredible God blessed to give the keeps on giving man why I mean I look like I said Ryan polls might be GM but he is GM and name only with that kind of stuff it's very
17:30
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very good may-ocked to me from cover in the writers where you could just like see who was picking who you're like, yep, that's a good pick and then all of a sudden, like max cross bill.
17:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a like may-ocked pick.
17:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So very interesting, Ben Johnson's got the keys.
17:44
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, hey, I don't mind the Sam Roush pick.
17:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I think in a vacuum, it's good to have an a third-time end, Ben obviously wants to play three-time ends a lot.
17:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But just given the needs that your football team has if you want to go from the second round of the playoffs to the conference
18:00
[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably not where I would have gone with the top 90 pick whatever it was, but see how it works out, I guess.
18:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you mentioned it.
18:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Left tackle the gift that keeps on giving.
18:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Braxton Jones is back against all odds.
18:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Braxton Jones is back.
18:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Just, you know, Ken is in shambles.
18:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't believe it.
18:20
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still on this football team and starting.
18:22
[SPEAKER_00]: That's unbelievable.
18:24
[SPEAKER_01]: When did we start doing this show together?
18:26
[SPEAKER_01]: 2021, 2022.
18:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when did you come to Chicago, so we did it for a season, and then he came in, so yes, so Yeah, I was going to say like five years.
18:37
[SPEAKER_01]: We were blessed.
18:38
[SPEAKER_01]: We were blessed.
18:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
18:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But crazy part is we were fortunate that this was
18:50
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... ended up coming to Chicago because it it worked out well but please totally i mean became a power trio that's when we uh... that's when it became a power trio like rush united center for the past four nights that's right you know how it's real uh... yeah so yeah just like here we are five years later ish and we're still talking about left tackle but again you could have gone back a hundred years and we're still talking about left tackle pretty much uh... just
19:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you believe that we're still here?
19:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And that like for us a moment, it seemed like they had it with Asitra Pillow and then Asitra Pillow gets hurt.
19:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So just like, yeah, that like, the more things change, the more things stay the same.
19:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, essentially you say you say had it.
19:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what had it means.
19:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was at your pillow was like a serviceable body.
19:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was solid.
19:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's fine.
19:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it was like.
19:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it was like.
19:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You were a anchor.
19:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't anchor my offensive line around him, but he's better than Braxton.
19:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And my surprise were still here.
19:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Not really just given the way Ryan pulls this kind of operated as this offensive line guru and as this deep belief in his ability to scout and find jams.
20:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, the darn old right pick.
20:04
[SPEAKER_00]: We were on it.
20:04
[SPEAKER_00]: We were on it really early.
20:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That has worked out tremendously.
20:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know right as a hell of football player.
20:08
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great right tackle.
20:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And we always said, you need one elite tackle.
20:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Left right, you need one elite one.
20:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He's pretty damn good.
20:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It is amazing that.
20:20
[SPEAKER_00]: They are still in this kind of like merry-go-round at left tackle, like what if we bring in this person we've drafted here.
20:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like, all right, so we'll give you what, one year, 10 million with some incentives and let's just, let's see if you can keep Caleb up right.
20:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, just for all the genius of Ben Johnson, who clearly knows who clearly knows the offensive line is the key.
20:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he literally arrived and in four days they had a brand new offensive line that was really effing good.
20:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's clearly aware that we need a left tackle.
20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty stunned, they haven't been able.
20:56
[SPEAKER_00]: to find a long-term option, maybe Aussie could have been that.
20:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a pretty bad knee injury.
21:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how that impacts his long-term standing.
21:03
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a bummer, obviously.
21:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, they're kind of in this weird, like, you know, it's almost like a placeholder, you're right, it's like can Braxton do good enough that it doesn't, you know, go backwards in the sat category, the pressure category, and Caleb can kind of develop and be comfortable in the pocket.
21:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I am a little surprised, but really not all that much is given how Ryan pulls as kind of operated and honestly like to to give it to be fair.
21:32
[SPEAKER_00]: There hasn't been a lot of big opportunity, right?
21:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I can't really think of pointing to a time where you're like, oh man, they really missed on
21:41
[SPEAKER_00]: X left tackle right like I feel like almost every time that opportunity would have a risen like there was just a run on tackles before them in the draft right like they're like it's lined up and then all of a sudden it's like well they're all gone and it's like okay well we got a pivot and the pivoting hasn't really worked but hey maybe Braxon thing is 27 now like he's a professional I think he's kind of limited by just like his overall talent.
22:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's a hard worker and, you know, hey, maybe it works out.
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's looking for folks who are just listening and not watching on YouTube.
22:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, kind of Davis is making the outline of what he would call a tocus because he's had a bigger Jones famously.
22:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Has lacked.
22:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Mine's up here right now.
22:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You would know, but he's asked limited.
22:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
22:25
[SPEAKER_00]: He's asked limited.
22:26
[SPEAKER_02]: The ass limit.
22:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, first of all, the the ostrich pillow.
22:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, and being a guy that loves Boston as much is wild.
22:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I hate not hate.
22:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I just said I don't know.
22:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that was the world.
22:38
[SPEAKER_02]: On the ground, you just, let me introduce you guys.
22:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I told you this is Chicago that counts as hate on the ground.
22:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
22:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, oh, my, when he really got going, um, it was like, oh, okay, because it was, you never heard anything on that side, which was like, wait,
23:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's so bad, and Alex got on me.
23:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Alex got on me because I was like, I'll heal me all right.
23:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was kind of like, oh, that's a bad ass injury, right?
23:13
[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible.
23:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's it.
23:16
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so concerning because
23:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a thing, Josh, and you know, and when we're doing this show, we say it all the time, because people don't live in the past as much.
23:28
[SPEAKER_02]: This wasn't just, uh, they need a left tackle.
23:32
[SPEAKER_02]: This was like, no, they need everything.
23:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And we need the right tackle to show a proof.
23:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Because also, let me, let me clear up a couple of things one.
23:39
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
23:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So anybody does new to this show can know the old iteration of this show.
23:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we were so in on Joe Alt, if you feel and we love Rome, man, I want to Joe Alt so got that bad.
23:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't you ever forget that in this day?
23:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think when Alex says we were in on Rome, he means he and I were in on Rome, you were in tents outside of Joe Alt's apartment like brother.
24:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Chicago is called.
24:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a radio up.
24:05
[SPEAKER_02]: We're a boomer.
24:06
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24:16
[SPEAKER_02]: was so in on Darno, right?
24:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean in a good way, because Jalen Carter would help us so much at this point, still as we were doing the damn show for the draft.
24:28
[SPEAKER_00]: You never let Jalen Carter go.
24:29
[SPEAKER_00]: You never gonna let it go.
24:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he's had one good year.
24:32
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, it's like that's the thing.
24:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, it went right.
24:36
[SPEAKER_02]: At right, too.
24:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's not, I didn't even throw his ass out to left.
24:39
[SPEAKER_01]: At right, he's had one good year.
24:42
[SPEAKER_02]: But the things are that you not being here and you've mentioned jokes on me.
24:48
[SPEAKER_02]: What Joe tuning drew all men and Jonah Jackson did last year?
24:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's really getting back to what you're saying about Aussie Jepillo.
24:57
[SPEAKER_02]: But now I want to get you out of your thoughts on this and this is a binge on something.
25:02
[SPEAKER_02]: So Allison, one of the biggest concerns we had was Drew Dahlman decided to retire, which is all his business and he knew that.
25:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
25:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was some games Drew Dahlman was getting his ass kicked.
25:14
[SPEAKER_02]: But,
25:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Jude Ahmed did play pretty well.
25:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Bears have lacked a center since...
25:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
25:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Since Cody White here before he moved to left guard, I'll give you the kid to give you that.
25:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Since Cody moved in the left guard.
25:30
[SPEAKER_02]: But one thing was, and it was a guy when our draft show and Alex called him out, and it was Logan Jones, right?
25:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you, you'd be in the guy that's got connections to Boston, Gary Bradbury.
25:45
[SPEAKER_02]: That was cool, but the question really was, all right, you saw that your left tackle, you could, you could get along with him growing in an Aussie because you were so strong from left guard to right tackle, right?
26:03
[SPEAKER_02]: and they haven't had a line as good to where you didn't have to worry because when you got one of the best left guards, but from left guards to right tackle and for them to get Logan Jones and not just say, all right, Bradbury are you going to be the guy and being kind of a journey and even though he played well for it seemed to me to the Super Bowl with the Patriots.
26:22
[SPEAKER_02]: your thoughts on this iteration, but everything they kind of did when it came to this office of line, and they importance, and you mentioned Ben Johnson, and how you know he's running the draft, but the importance that they put on center and the rest of the office of line, where when you miss the Brexian Jones, it's not as crazy that you have Brexian because the rest of the line is so strong.
26:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I think that's, I think when we talk about either Aussie, last year, Brexian this year,
26:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like half left tackle right because the parts are so good or other than left tackle, you can almost shift everything that way and help.
26:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like not so much on my level, or you can almost tell Braxton Jones like, hey, we want you to play outside because if you kick inside, two of you can just help you out and it will be all right because Dalman can stand it up, Jackson can stand up, Darnell can stand it up.
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're almost, you're so good at the other positions that left tackle being net is not like a huge issue as it was when you were,
27:20
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, trotting out not to be smart anyone's name.
27:22
[SPEAKER_00]: The map priors of the world where it's like, well, shit, like he's just going to get killed.
27:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't matter.
27:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're 12 with 13 and.
27:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Josh, it's 12 with 13 too.
27:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, exactly.
27:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
27:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
27:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
27:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
27:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, exactly.
27:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're helping.
27:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You're helping out the weak link in a way that previous.
27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: bears that I covered never could.
27:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked what they did at center with Logan Jones.
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Bradbury thing is kind of fine, but I always looked at it.
27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, you had a team that just went to the Super Bowl and has a young quarterback and they're like,
27:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, whatever, like, you can take him and we're not like super just in like keeping them really.
28:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's interesting, but then you bring in Logan Jones and it's basically like, you know, either he beats him out or maybe maybe library starts Jones goes into, but you're you're pretty set there.
28:12
[SPEAKER_00]: for the future, right, which is what you're looking for, right?
28:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, you think about the centers we covered with, say, Mustafar and Lucas Patrick, I mean, they were just going through these guys and it was like, man, it's just like, it's just never gonna work the eat.
28:24
[SPEAKER_00]: The quickest path to the quarterback is at the middle and the bears middle before Ben Johnson got there was terrible.
28:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was like legitimately wet paper, like they would just get destroyed and people will talk about, oh, Caleb, get, you know, he gave up whatever 58, 60 sacks is working here.
28:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, how many of those are actually on him?
28:41
[SPEAKER_00]: right like let's like it was really like I remember watching I was one of the last games I covered I think it was against the colds and the colds just I mean they just bludgeoned into death and it was like well I don't know what you want me to do like he's got a second and a half like the offensive line is so bad so I think Ben Johnson comes in two needs a star Jonah obviously knows the system really well.
29:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Dalman was good retired like he said totally his right I'm always
29:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Make your money, keep your brain all good there.
29:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Darnell improved and then yeah, I love what they did at center just because you have two options now right you've got a veteran who you can lean on initially and if it doesn't work or he gets hurt you've got to rookie you can bring along and a long-term piece there and then whatever happens at left tackle.
29:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You've in theory got four offensive linemen plus your plan 12 you plan in 13.
29:29
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got guys to help out.
29:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not relying on Braxion Jones to you know block miles Garrett one on one because what we can't help you out because you know the Centers on his ass in the second look at that's good five summer after all.
29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: We we we we somehow made it back to good by summer.
29:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
29:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
29:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
29:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:47
[SPEAKER_00]: The only one they all season again.
29:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I think hang the banner fourth on
29:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Crown him.
29:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
29:58
[SPEAKER_02]: You know some of us did love you here.
30:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of us did love you here.
30:01
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
30:02
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't have to do that.
30:03
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't have to go.
30:06
[SPEAKER_02]: We did.
30:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I did.
30:07
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
30:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I was very distraught.
30:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Please go alone.
30:10
[SPEAKER_02]: How are we?
30:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we ready to talk off?
30:14
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30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: There are three NF, there are three NFL teams that are getting more of their salary cap space to add rushers in 2026.
30:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Those teams employ Miles Garrett, Max Cross, P&TJ Watt, the Bears are four.
30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I find that completely and utterly, utterly ridiculous.
30:59
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like that's crazy to me.
31:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got these through like they're playing the three best Edgers in the NFL, and then it's the Bears with Montes wet.
31:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's like good?
31:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Dayo had one sack in the doors to kill these and that's like $46 million.
31:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's motivated this year.
31:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, he's motivated.
31:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure we're all we're all very motivated.
31:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then you've got the earlier one, when they give the thing if they have the six most rushing yards and they didn't really seem to do a whole lot other than we're going to run back though, you know what your vans can get a lot better this year.
31:29
[SPEAKER_00]: At this is the year he's going to get a lot better.
31:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a lot more trading out Andrew Billings for Neville Gallim or Joshua.
31:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, played in the U.S. F.L.
31:40
[SPEAKER_00]: and her Bob Stoops.
31:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember talking to Bob about Neville when I was doing the Caleb Williams feature.
31:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that's gonna work out really well.
31:47
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about trying to take a leap forward as a football team, not being able to stop the run, not being able to rush the pass.
31:53
[SPEAKER_00]: There are going to be pretty big issues in that.
31:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's a really interesting, you know, it's interesting theory.
32:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to see how it works out.
32:02
[SPEAKER_02]: all facts, all facts to say to least, all facts.
32:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, it's, and I imagine Ken, can I imagine you were apoplectic during the draft when, uh, no help seemed to rise?
32:13
[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny.
32:14
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we did a show, and I was talking about with the theme and thing where getting a guy that could be of Swiss Army knife at safety, you could have just probably went and got that guy in the second round, and he not been that good.
32:31
[SPEAKER_02]: and fixed all of this, which you just said, and it wasn't, it's like, yes, I was the fact that they did in a dress message.
32:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Like to me, Josh, I don't end this part on this.
32:44
[SPEAKER_02]: This was the problem with the hair coach having this much power.
32:47
[SPEAKER_02]: because at some point, the general manager had to be like, hold on, I got that because it was basically like, here, Dennis, I'll get you this and then he went crazy and it was like, dog, you got to address, even, and this was the thing and I keep, I keep, don't know who K's Alex this episode.
33:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Alex wanted McDonald of what it McDonald out of Ohio state and I wanted a three-second more of a three-second week, but even if you always want a three-second even one I know I know it's the totally dunji in me, right?
33:23
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm going to get really religious and fit into the show and make people upset with my wife.
33:30
[SPEAKER_02]: How religious I am.
33:31
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but it's it's the thing though that even if they would have taken me down.
33:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And you the front thing you just mentioned it, you're at least going to stop the damn run.
33:40
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
33:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, but get me one of three techniques.
33:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you couldn't address that.
33:44
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, at least you were going to be able to pin our ears back with everything you mentioned at the outside.
33:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they can do something.
33:52
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're not going to be able to run it.
33:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you address jacksh.
33:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was where it was like, well, what is going on here when you're talking about trying to be a team that can can see and where you did nothing in the interior.
34:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And you did nothing at the outside, but at least you could have addressed the interior.
34:10
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where it was befuddling to say to least.
34:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think I would go back to mention the GM and the head coach and who's drafting and I always go back to the macro and think is what I covered, but I think it's when you have
34:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay for the head coach to have more power and the draft what you want is you want the two parties to be really married, right?
34:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You want them to both understand the needs of the entire football team and not just what the coach works on.
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think the 49ers do a really good job at this, right?
34:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Kyle has pretty like overall say, but him and John are really good about him.
34:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, I know I see what you're saying.
34:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I know what you want, but what we do need to do, like this is our big weakness.
34:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take it here.
34:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think when you
34:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Get maybe a situation like Ben and Ryan where you have a head coach who, I mean, got a blank check.
34:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's be honest to someone gets fired.
35:00
[SPEAKER_00]: We know who's going first and a Ben Johnson, like that's where you kind of are going to get sticky, right?
35:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're not on same footing.
35:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you look at the organization.
35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not on same footing.
35:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm up here.
35:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I get to make all the decisions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we lose, you go first.
35:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to do what I want to do.
35:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And that could maybe be an issue.
35:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I don't know around the team anymore.
35:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's just.
35:19
[SPEAKER_00]: For my time covering the raiders that was an issue where it was like very much like this is the John Groot and show and Mike Mayoff Can hang out and say hey, we might need an edge rusher or we might need a guard and John's going to be like man the hell with that this corner runs a four three and it's sick And we're going to take the corner and the corners out of the league and you're in half and it's like well now we're now we're Yeah, good be a situation if you're if you're really good defense at third night and plus you might want to do some things and help get you to third night more often
35:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, exactly.
35:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, being in third and two doesn't help a whole phone if you need to.
35:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Being in third and two does not help for your third and long defense that's stellar.
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:57
[SPEAKER_01]: but cool.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Xavier Thomas is going to be sick.
36:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Xavier Thomas is.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
36:02
[SPEAKER_00]: He's so fast.
36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's fantastic.
36:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be so fast and shorts and training camp when they're doing routes on air to me and crew.
36:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, you've already seen the Instagrams.
36:10
[SPEAKER_00]: You've already seen the Instagrams.
36:11
[SPEAKER_00]: They're out there.
36:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I have it, but I've tried.
36:15
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I have no doubt out there.
36:16
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's a thing you haven't seen them, you have.
36:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You know exactly the Instagram.
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure it's Tyson Bayjson throwing a really, really sick past or guy in shorts who's
36:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk some golf.
36:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Schrock, you made the move to cover a golf, another sport you're extremely passionate about.
36:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And since you've covered golf, Rory McElroy has won back to back master's.
36:41
[SPEAKER_00]: He not only completed the career grand slam,
36:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He defended the title, so I'm just curious it has really personally thank you for saying like, hey, ever since you've started writing about me, I really put it all together.
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Josh Schrock.
36:57
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it hasn't happened yet.
36:59
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, like very much the LeBron James, I can't believe this is my life meme.
37:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Very good stuff there from Roy.
37:06
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he has not personally thanked me.
37:08
[SPEAKER_00]: His dad did thank me for a nice thing.
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote about about single children.
37:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was very nice of Jerry.
37:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, it's been a lot of fun.
37:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, I love the sport.
37:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so different to cover a football.
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's like world's different.
37:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get nearly as many angry emails, which I'm very fond of.
37:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that's always good for the blood pressure.
37:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, uh, it's, I don't get a chance to rattle off as many stats as I just did for you about Caleb Williams, which I love doing.
37:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that part I really miss.
37:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to get more in the strokes gained, uh, kind of kind of kind of situation there.
37:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not so good at golf analytics.
37:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but no, it's been a lot of fun.
37:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, like I said super different.
37:51
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just, you know, I think Alex, we're talking offline.
37:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, you know, it's just good to have a job in this business.
37:56
[SPEAKER_00]: The way things are going right.
37:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just going to soak it up and enjoy it.
37:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we'll go back to football one day.
38:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll go.
38:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll go move and do like a compound and the Canadian wilderness in two years, you know, who knows, who knows what the world is.
38:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, no, we're going to South America or something with the bar now.
38:11
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
38:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
38:13
[SPEAKER_01]: It's right.
38:15
[SPEAKER_00]: You're burning.
38:17
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, you're right.
38:19
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
38:19
[SPEAKER_00]: We're starting to sports bar in Belize on the beach.
38:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally forgot.
38:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That's on the handout.
38:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Hand up thumb.
38:25
[SPEAKER_00]: We point thumbs not fingers here.
38:27
[SPEAKER_02]: It's no Canadian wilderness Josh is all burning the hell just so you know I've heard you guys are you guys got nice you guys got nice doses Smoke in there right now.
38:36
[SPEAKER_02]: We're smoke.
38:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're stuck in the world for a day.
38:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll do do Josh.
38:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you were here a time where we had it of what the Canadian because it's this like the third time where that damn smoke.
38:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so bad last week, like you stepped out and you saw the smoke before.
38:52
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was like the biggest Bobby grill was going all over the city.
38:57
[SPEAKER_02]: But what I want to ask you this, how much you travel do you get with this job?
39:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Because sometimes I'm like, whoa, is this guy going all the way over here?
39:05
[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned where he's dead.
39:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember that bet that he made for him to win the masters.
39:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Because now the prospect game here is like what it was in Europe and back in the days.
39:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you can make those bets in Europe.
39:18
[SPEAKER_02]: But how's the travel with during golf?
39:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that has to be dope if you get to go all over and tell players like, yeah, yeah, we get to go to a fair amount.
39:28
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a new staff from about five, six, seven people.
39:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So we kind of split it up.
39:33
[SPEAKER_00]: We send multiple people all the big stuff.
39:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I think the different thing about golf to the NFL is, you know, golf is 40, 46 weeks a year.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't be everywhere, but we do, we do travel a lot, you know, really exotic locations can.
39:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I see a lot of Houston, a lot of Jacksonville places you really want to take kids to.
39:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I do what you know, right?
39:54
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not doing Houston right?
39:55
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no offense.
39:56
[SPEAKER_00]: The fine people of Houston are Jack's beach.
39:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that much.
40:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very nice.
40:01
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, yeah, ton of travel, which is good.
40:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not as much as I'd like, but, you know, the wife is a little happier than I'm not.
40:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Not running around all the time on my phone calling, calling sources and things like that.
40:15
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's always good.
40:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it's been a little better for the family life.
40:18
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to bring me to you.
40:20
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to bring me to Houston.
40:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll show you a time or two
40:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just going to say, you kind of answered it, but like, can you take us a little bit behind the scenes more of the differences between covering the NFL, which is so absurd and so 24, seven and so crazy to golf, that seems a little bit more relaxed.
40:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You're outside.
40:40
[SPEAKER_01]: There's grass.
40:41
[SPEAKER_01]: There's muted voices.
40:42
[SPEAKER_01]: There's birds chirping.
40:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like you touch a little bit about you're not on your phone 24, several reaching out to sources, but I mean, just the differences
40:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I honestly world's different, you know, I think with golf, I mean, now there's a little more breaking news than maybe there was, you know, 10 years ago with the live stuff, you know, you got to be under fun a little bit more, but they're very few times I would say like,
41:12
[SPEAKER_00]: where I like have plans like I'm going to go to dinner and then all of a sudden I got to be like hey honey I can't do this because x happened like that almost never happens where it's like you know covering the bears I feel like every time I made plans it was like hey they've traded Justin field hey they fired this guy hey Alan Williams is in the clink or whatever and it's like holdy cheeseley can I get like I just want to like I just want to go for a run like this is ridiculous
41:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, I think very, very much better for, um, you know, work like balance, uh, but I do, I do, I do miss it.
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love, I love being on my phone.
41:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I love to calm people up.
41:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I love getting to getting to know things.
41:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I do a little bit of that, but just just not as much because there's not that much going on, right?
41:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not talking trades, we're not talking free agency.
42:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, listen, we usually have something called next to point and we have a brooch plenty of topics and because this basically is ours and we're like whatever do you have you mentioned the Saudis back and I don't live this is your tent that we didn't get on a NBC anything that you want to talk about right now.
42:24
[SPEAKER_02]: It going on in the world and you want to rally and piss people off.
42:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And particularly you being having a good moral cop is, is there anything you want to talk about?
42:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Or like you could talk about weird guitar music.
42:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just talk about psychedelic guitar bands.
42:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He talks about music.
42:41
[SPEAKER_02]: He talks about crazy too as far as on the words you know.
42:44
[SPEAKER_02]: You're never you want to talk about.
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like this is going to be my topic.
42:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been wanting to get this off my chest for a while.
42:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a text people about it.
42:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And they don't care like I care.
42:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I think you would care?
42:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I should actually text you about this.
42:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm begging, I'm begging 95% of people.
43:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to stop being weird about Caitlin Clark.
43:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to stop doing it.
43:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about everybody.
43:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like really, really bothering me.
43:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, we got to let this woman be really, really good at basketball.
43:14
[SPEAKER_00]: and elevate the WMBA, the people over here need to stop with them like, oh, she's an avatar for this and you know, all they're trying to beat her up because she, it's ridiculous.
43:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Like here's the thing, she came in, I remember when she first came in out of, out of Iowa and it was so clear,
43:31
[SPEAKER_00]: This came in a random woman's force, but it was so clear that the fine journalist of Indianapolis no no shade had no idea how to deal with a very attractive, very talented girl with super star pal, like just I mean they were just peeing weird to remember the one guy was like oh we're going to get to know each other pretty well and like did the weird laugh and it's like no man here's the thing.
43:52
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want women's sports to succeed, which I know I do, I know you guys do, we're always talking about the WMBA and NWSL, I cover the LPJ a lot.
44:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You just need to treat it like it's a normal sport.
44:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm so tired of like, you go, you like listen these press conferences and they're asking like these like,
44:09
[SPEAKER_00]: we hear questions that no one would ever ask Steph Curry or Roy McElroy or like just talk about the game, ask them about what they're really passionate about and really elevate the sport and quit being weird about Caitlyn Clark, it's driving me up a wall.
44:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say this one, she's kind of, she's kind of leading to it too a little bit, but it's been, it's been a little tough, but not like you're also becoming him.
44:35
[SPEAKER_02]: No, did you put that on me?
44:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And the crazy thing is, I was about to pat myself on the back.
44:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe she used to be on the mercury and I was like, who was that little blonde girl right there, right?
44:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't know she was like, I can't have this one.
44:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Josh, Josh, she was mega Sophie or whatever.
44:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
44:58
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is thing, I want to say this.
45:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Ben Johnson, I can't take care of.
45:04
[SPEAKER_02]: There's been so many things.
45:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was something else today.
45:07
[SPEAKER_02]: We mentioned on this show that I've been like spot on and we've debated it and you've lost both of you to me.
45:13
[SPEAKER_02]: But Josh, I got to apologize for something.
45:16
[SPEAKER_02]: pagebackers is better than Caitlin Clark.
45:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've been willing to tell you, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
45:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's great.
45:47
[SPEAKER_02]: But look, Olivia, the Olivia's though Josh.
45:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the thing.
45:52
[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, you were wrong about Angela and think about it for Olivia and Angela were here.
45:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Because think about they should have lived.
45:58
[SPEAKER_02]: They traded that pick.
46:00
[SPEAKER_02]: It should be Olivia and Angela.
46:01
[SPEAKER_02]: The end of the haul star, it would be crazy.
46:04
[SPEAKER_02]: if you had a little bit you can get mad about the sky all over again you need to this bad for your pressure you know I don't I don't I don't follow I don't follow I'm out I'm out because I can't give up no it's because ownership is showing you know what to cover our asses with our inability we're gonna do this because one this player would be the all-star game is really the reason they I feel like they traded angel
46:30
[SPEAKER_02]: because it was going to be so much heat on their asses.
46:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And if she says something, then their goofy asses are going to bring in a Skyler and you know Skyler talks.
46:39
[SPEAKER_02]: You should that let you know, you don't know nothing.
46:42
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no really breaking Dickens and your cheap and don't know what you're doing.
46:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but the whole, like, I was talking after this week, the whole angel not being, like, angel took another step.
46:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know Josh, you're not an angel person.
46:55
[SPEAKER_02]: But angels taking another step offensively this year in Atlanta, right?
46:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And you could have had that chance to be a defensive anchor.
47:03
[SPEAKER_02]: You could have had Olivia being the next star of the WMBA.
47:08
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, when you're looking at what she's doing with the Lynx.
47:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
47:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I was watching her in the tournament.
47:14
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was telling after, like, she looks like somebody's mama planned.
47:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Like her game is so old school cold, it's ridiculous what she does.
47:22
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just so, it's so 70s ill that it's like, oh, my God.
47:27
[SPEAKER_02]: What is going on with this guy?
47:29
[SPEAKER_02]: That triggers me, but the end of this because you've got to get you out of here.
47:32
[SPEAKER_02]: You were right, Josh Rock, page, page beckers is better than Caitlin Clark.
47:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, give me your props on that.
47:39
[SPEAKER_02]: That used to be our one of our big debates.
47:41
[SPEAKER_02]: We used to go at it over that.
47:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you're like, so so I was like, look at the assist.
47:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at the, like, look, we used to go at it and you, I had to get you your props.
47:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Josh Rock.
47:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you.
47:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you will always be missed to say the least, um, one of the worst parts of NBC going dark.
47:58
[SPEAKER_02]: was that you weren't going to be here in Chicago.
48:00
[SPEAKER_02]: So as our guy, we want to thank you for joining us.
48:04
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to come back during the season, but continue doing your thing with golfing faculty, and we appreciate you joining us on the Windows City podcast today.
48:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, boys.