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Episode #245: Why Your Microbiome Test Might Be Meaningless & Federal Indictment of Fauci Aide · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_00: Belief actually matters more.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you think something's gonna heal you, you're it's more likely to do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you think something's gonna make you sick, it will make you sick.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ten percent is the number of soil microorganisms that have been named and cataloged.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ninety percent of soil microorganisms, we know we know very little.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hi, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to another episode of the Beyond Labels Podcast with myself, who'd be Joel Salatin.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that was the last time I checked my name, and our favorite researcher, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sina McCullough.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Cena's got an interesting announcement for us today about the uh U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: military vaccine program.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna just flip it right over to Cena and let her uh give us that, and then we've got some more uh interesting trends and uh other news items for you today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cena?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, Joel, this is a return to informed consent.
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  SPEAKER_00: The military has ended a 72-year flu vaccine mandate for all service members.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is active duty and reserve service members and civilian personnel.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was announced by um the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: Department of Defense, the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth.
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  SPEAKER_00: He released a video where he says that we're seizing this moment to discard any absurd, overreaching mandates that only weakened our war fighting capabilities.
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  SPEAKER_00: He said, in this case, this includes the universal flu vaccine and the mandate behind it.
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  SPEAKER_00: He he said the era of betrayal is over.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was an interesting choice of words.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's an interesting, uh, interesting word for him to use betrayal.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you what do you think is wrapped up in betrayal?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, he he mentioned while while this um you know drop in mandate pertains just to the flu vaccine, he did make mention to the COVID jab.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm assuming he means that end of betrayal related to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but he talked about, you know, basically that this is actually dated back to uh at least 1945.
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  SPEAKER_00: And people are saying that this uh this was a coerced so so the implementation of the mandate was coerced for compliance metrics and career promotion.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was not for the health of the force.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you know, it was held against you and they needed it uh for the numbers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Interestingly, there's been articles written about this since where they talk about how he's obviously experiencing criticism from skeptics, but there's a Cleveland clinic study.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was from 2025, published in October of last year, and it said that people who got the annual flu shot, they're almost 30%, they had almost a 30% higher risk of getting the flu.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this was about 50,000 Cleveland clinical employees and they tracked them.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, some got the flu shot and some did not.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they said that those who got it during the cold and flu season, they had about a 27% higher risk of getting the flu compared to the unvaccinated.
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  SPEAKER_00: So some people are making the argument that the shot has low efficacy.
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  SPEAKER_00: It likely caused many more sick days amongst military members than it actually prevented them from getting the flu.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so it's just an interesting argument that's now going around.
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  SPEAKER_00: That I'm, you know, it's not something I think we would have really been debating 30 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, one of the reasons why they're saying, or people are speculating, that they probably dropped this mandate is because they've been seeing a decline in recruitment into the military.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is both during and after the pandemic.
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  SPEAKER_00: According to the defense documents, over 8,000 service members were discharged as of November 30th, 2022, for refusing the COVID jab.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then there was a military deadline for compliance.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when that expired, the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: Army cut 60,000 unvaccinated guard and reserve soldiers.
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  SPEAKER_00: The military that same month reported that they were facing a quote, increasingly bleak recruiting crisis.
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  SPEAKER_00: So some people are saying that that's why now they're starting to drop a mandate, is because we're we don't have enough people serving in our military because of these mandates.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and I I don't think it you know, Cena, it isn't it too bad, isn't it too bad that that we don't that neither one of us um feels like we can really get the story on that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, why why why can't so why can't Pete Heggseth just come out and say, you know, if if it if it was due to recruitments down, if it was due to missed work of flu days, I mean, there's gotta be a reason.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just tell us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, you know, and they're going around saying that uh I mean, he gave he gave reasons in that video, which is you know, which basically like we're gonna give them the freedom to take it if they want.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if not, um, what he said was that the notion that the flu vaccine must be mandatory for every service member everywhere, in every circumstance, at all times, is just overly broad and not rational.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, but I so I think this is it's speaking to the service member.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's a new there'cause there's also um a documentary coming out about service members being forced to take the jab.
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  SPEAKER_00: So part of it maybe they're trying to get ahead of that, you know, potential backlash coming out from that, because some of them were harmed from it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and it sounds like a common sense thing, but usually the government doesn't come out with common sense things, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's something going on behind it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do, I uh it is clear that recruitment is down.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think this is a marketing tool to, you know, to bring people back into the military, into the fold, you know, um, have let them feel like yes, they do have the freedom to give informed consent.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I also wondering, Joel, if part of this is to help Kennedy situation because we know that the Maha base has, you know, is splitting, that um they're having issues with Kennedy supporting Trump's glyphosate executive order.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Trump is not gonna seemingly back down on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that ending a vaccine mandate for a flu vaccine is a very low-hanging fruit.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not like they went for, you know, some vaccine on the childhood schedule that, you know, that like measles.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not like they're like, okay, now all these military people don't have to get the measles.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not like they went at yeah, it's not like they went after MMR or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so uh part of this to me is a p it's I feel like it's a political move and that that they were like, okay, we're probably not gonna get that much pushback if we don't make them do just the flu vaccine.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because how many people are really afraid of the flu, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Of getting the flu.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so they kind of also gave a bone to Kennedy in this that, oh, this probably would not have happened had Kennedy not been rallying against vaccines.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and while he's had that issue that we already reported on with the vaccine board and that whole problem, this is throwing him a bone to say, oh, it wasn't for not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like he's made a difference.
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  SPEAKER_00: And look, Maha base, we're doing something for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's my speculation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and listen, and and don't discount, don't discount the right set of eyes on.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you just this this Cleveland report you just said from tw that's 2025, that's not very old.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a pretty, it's a pretty big study of 50,000 people, a 30% increase in flu.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, one of the I mean we we have a lot of concerns about big data, but there's also some the there are some things that that big data is enabling us to do to tease out some of these things that we've been able that have been very difficult to do in the past.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now you can just go through, you know, your whole employee record and and uh the you know the uh the the data is digitized, so you can say, AI, you know, what's what's this and it'll spit it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so uh that's the other side of the um uh of the the digitization uh problem is a um you know is an ability to find information more information faster and quicker so you can start connecting dots a little faster and quicker.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's absolutely true.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm so glad you brought that up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um one one thought though, I I'm curious to see how big pharma responds to the drop in the mandate, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because that's kind of a cash cow for them if you're mandating the vaccine.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we'll see, we'll see what happens there, um, what kind of pushback they're gonna get.
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  SPEAKER_00: But um, in terms of yes, this data collection, that brings me to my next story that I wanted to share with you and our listeners.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I looked into the biggest health trends so far in 2026, um, according to New S US News.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the top one, hands down, is the GLP1 expansion.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, these are the medications that have been hailed as weight loss miracle drugs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, they're being used to treat conditions like obesity, type 2 diabetes, uh, but they're they have potential impacts on heart health, kidney disease, fertility, arthritis, and addiction.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the number one trend that we're seeing right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're estimating one of one in five US adults have used one of these drugs, and the use is climbing as costs are continuing to go down.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's the top health trend.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the one I find more interesting is the second trend.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the integration of AI with wearable technology.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it says that AI is being used in every pathway.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're using it as a tool, and it's going to become, quote, part of daily existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: It may be used with wearable feedback devices to provide in-time association between food consumption and effects on glucose and other metabolic markers.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what they're saying is that people are glommed on to these devices, uh, you know, like the aura rings, your smartwatches, um, even those um continue, like those glucose monitors, the continuous glucose monitoring.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you've seen that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, little patch on your arm thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And did you know it actually puts a sensor underneath your skin?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it, you it actually comes with this, uh, it's like injected in there with a little needle, and it puts this sensor under your skin with a patch on it, and then it it transmits data to like a smartphone, for example.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's actually, I find that crazy that people would actually put something in inject it under their skin that would then transmit and you know, have some EMF signal transmitting to some device, like in real time.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's almost like um you, you know, you're becoming less human, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You're having these other it's like the uh it's like the matrix.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's crazy, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So red pill and a blue pill.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so that's what they're saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: That like, you know, it started out as, oh, it's gonna count my steps, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like some these wearable devices.
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  SPEAKER_00: But now it's going to, you know, you know, it can track your sleep, for example, and it can track your glucose levels.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one thing that I thought was interesting is that it's part of what what they're now calling precision nutrition.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you heard of precision nutrition?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, but but um I'm certainly aware of precision agriculture.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's been that's been banded about a long time, you know, precision agriculture where they're you know, they use drones and everything to uh infrared technology to anyway, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Precision agriculture.
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  SPEAKER_01: So now it's it's it's uh it's precision health.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, precision nutrition, it's going towards precision health.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is where they will tailor dietary recommendations based on an in a unique individual's like characteristics, like looking at their genetics and their microbiome, their metabolism, their lifestyle, um, and obviously with the effort of optimizing health and preventing disease.
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  SPEAKER_00: So to me, that sounds fantastic, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You're you want to tailor everything to the individual.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want to move past this one size fits all diets and protocols.
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  SPEAKER_00: And but part of what they're doing is they're using sensors and AI to do this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I want to talk just a little bit about that and get your take on it and whether or not that's actually needed.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this I thought was kind of cool because you know, I went to UC Davis and we had a nutrigenomics department.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's really where you see how somebody's genes can affect how they respond to different foods.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this was, we've had nutrigenomics for like about 30 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a guy, Jose, who actually founded it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he he that's what happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: He actually saw that um that basically diet changes could reduce cholesterol and heart disease in some people, but those same cha changes did not reduce cholesterol and heart disease in other people.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I've mentioned this to you that when I was first out of graduate school, I went to um uh a very well-known conference over in Boston.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there was a researcher who had tested individuals in the lab.
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  SPEAKER_00: He gave them omega-3 fatty acids, and he just assumed that they all would drop their triglyceride levels, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because that's what we're told.
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  SPEAKER_00: Consume omega-3 fats and drop your triglyceride levels.
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  SPEAKER_00: What he saw was it worked for a third of the people.
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  SPEAKER_00: For another third of the people, it had no effect whatsoever.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for the last third of the people, it actually made their cholesterol levels worse.
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  SPEAKER_00: It raised their cholesterol levels in a bad way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it was very obvious that there is no one size fits all, and everybody has different responses.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in nutrigenomics, it's thought that those differences in responses are due to your genetics.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um that field of nutrigenomics evolved into this multidisciplinary field and where they are integrating things like behavioral science with gen genetics, with metabolomics, and with AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they're calling that precision nutrition.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they're trying to use new technologies like wearable sensors and to give you the tools, he says, not just to live longer, but to live better.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my first thought was so our ancestors, once they got past childhood, and we taught as we have talked about before, they did live better than us.
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  SPEAKER_00: They didn't need wearable devices to tell them how to live better.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just it's one thing that it's just putting us more out of touch with actually being able to listen to your own body, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, in terms of what you're saying about all this data, his point is he said, now we have an abundant uh data from better sensor technology, and we have the computing power to make sense of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what makes this the decade of precision nutrition.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the idea is in part that you can take these dietary guidelines, which is a baseline for the general population, and they could eventually create models and validate them to lead to what are called adaptive guidelines.
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  SPEAKER_00: And those would evolve in tandem with our increasing understanding of biology and lifestyle lifestyle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, Joel, overarchingly, I am obviously not opposed to branching out from the dietary guidelines.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that the dietary guidelines are still a one-size-fits-all approach.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not and that's not what we need.
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  SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing: they're saying we have a ton of data already.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now we've got sensors that are gonna give you more data.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the computers are gonna help you to interpret this data and tell you what's good for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I already told you that right now AI is not there.
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  SPEAKER_00: In a previous podcast, we talked about how roughly 50% of the time AI is getting the health advice wrong at this point.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, here's a couple other points.
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  SPEAKER_00: They even admit that there's a major gap.
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  SPEAKER_00: The scientists estimate that we understand only 5 to 10% of the bioactive compounds in food.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, five to 10%.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's say we give them some grace and say, oh, we know 10% of what's actually in food.
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  SPEAKER_00: That means we don't know 90% of what's in the food, but we're still over here using this reductionist thinking to try to tell you exactly what you should eat.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now we've outsourced that thinking to these models.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and I'm so keep that in mind, because I'm gonna I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna blow your mind in a minute about why what kind of data are we using in these models.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what they're saying is the next revolution in science is coming from uncovering what they're calling dark matter of food.
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  SPEAKER_00: The thousands of bioactive compounds that we know are there, but we haven't identified them or that we can't understand them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they want to pair that with this real-time data on how we live.
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  SPEAKER_00: They said to move from precision nutrition to true precision health.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna give you two quick examples.
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  SPEAKER_00: One is we used to, you know, we had genomics, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And we we we thought that was gonna be the answer to everything when we figured out the human genome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Clearly, we know mathematically it doesn't even work, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: There's so many thousands of proteins per gene.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the that's that's one of the old it's uh one of the only government programs that came in at half time and half budget because they they they knew that they knew they were gonna find based on mathematic, mathematical um um whatever, you know, computations on the number of of different kinds of traits that we have genetically, that there would be a hundred thousand pairs, and it turned out there were only about twenty-four thousand.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so the whole project, again, it it came in under budget and under under um time, and it resulted in the beginning of the new um whatever, the new realm of epigenetics.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because they had to they had to figure out, well, mathematically, there's no way 24,000, or you might it might be I might be a little bit wrong, but um there's no way that those kind of combinations can make the the diversity that we see, you know, in the human population.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so there must be something else going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so epigenetics was launched to describe the hanky panky um that that the hanky panky on the DNA strand.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: How's that how's that for a layman's layman's explanation of uh epigenetics?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a clear image in my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so an example of that is um the BRCA gene, the breast cancer gene, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: How many people got tested for this breast cancer gene, and then some even had their breasts removed um later to find out that some of these quote unquote mutations um were were actually protective.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were not bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a landmark study that came out, I believe it was 2018, in the New England Journal of Medicine.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the researchers showed that between 7% and up to maybe even 25% of the genetic, genetic variants that were originally labeled as likely pathogenic, they were actually later reclassified as either benign or uncertain as more available as more data became available.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we get it wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: The whole classification changed.
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  SPEAKER_00: The whole classification changed.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we can get things wrong, and yet people had, you know, surgeries and other things because we thought we knew what we were talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so there's one example.
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  SPEAKER_00: Second example, one of one of the renowned researchers who is coming to our Two Days of Truth summit in June, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Scott Jackson, he just recently published a paper, peer-reviewed paper published in a respectable journal, and it's made international headlines.
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  SPEAKER_00: So tell me if you've heard this, because these things get picked up internationally, and we we are lagged here in America, or we don't hear them at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, in a nutshell, what he did was they, you know how you have those direct-to-consumer gut microbiome testing services where you can send a sample of your poop in and you have this company test your poop for imbalances, for example, what people might call infections or overgrowths.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the company analyzes your sample and then they make recommendations on products, for example, that can help you to heal your gastrointestinal tract, heal your lining.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a huge thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's into the microbiome.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what he did, they took one fecal sample.
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  SPEAKER_00: So one sample of poop, they sent it to seven different companies, they got seven uh completely different results and seven completely different product recommendations for the same sample.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Crazy, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And these are seven, like these aren't you know fringe companies, these are seven common companies that people are sending samples into.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this tells you the science isn't there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like this is now documented in the peer review scientific literature.
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  SPEAKER_00: We we aren't there there, and this comes back to something we've talked about on this podcast over and over.
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  SPEAKER_00: Where's the humility?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right?
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  SPEAKER_00: There, we are really lacking humility in so many areas, but in particular science.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now we have people, even to the point where they're putting sensors under their skin, we're giving our data away, constant tracking of our data, exposing ourselves to the EMFs and whatever else is in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: For what?
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: For them to come back and probably tell us some recommendations that are AI generated that may or may not even be accurate, that are based on what we know are tests and lab settings that aren't even valid at this point, I would say, that are misleading people and could in fact be harming them in some situations.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, so um just to to play devil for a minute, there I I think that what those folks would say that they they would quickly admit, they'd quickly admit, yeah, we know it's not right, we know it's not perfect.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: But with the more data we collect, if we start getting feedback from people, it'll all go in this funnel.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if we if we start serving, you know, a million people with these seven different kinds of recommendations, the right recommendations are gonna come to the top because the person are you with me?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um the the person that used this the recommendation from this lab, they have a much higher efficacy rate than the ones that use this lab.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: So that lab's gonna go bankrupt, this lab's gonna get better, and you know, and the cream rises to the top.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's all right, help help me uh sort through that argument.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's that's what I hear of the other side saying if we just get if we just get enough enough data, it'll create its own cross-checking and it'll all balance out.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think number one, the BRACA gene example I gave it disputes that argument.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um because, yeah, eventually you'll figure things out, but I think then it comes down to informed consent.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: So be transparent about what you're doing.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Let the per people know, the people who are paying good money for these tests and thinking that they're getting a solution that's personalized, you must be transparent and tell them these are the limitations with this test.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: And upfront, I'm not saying like, oh, when you're about to check out of your cart, you know, when you're buying this kit, we have this little fine print that's a disclaimer.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's not what I'm saying.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying if that's actually what they're doing, they need to be up front with it and say, like, this, these techniques are really used for research purposes, so we can find patterns.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like a lot of times that's what they do.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: We use these techniques to find patterns.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like PCR, we use that in large part to find population patterns of things.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Our friend, Dr.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Sabine Hazan, who's the fecal transplant expert, she is the first to say we use this to find patterns.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and and they will test the entire family to see if there are patterns, but it's for research purposes.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I there's a huge disconnect, I feel, where they've brought in large part companies trying to profit off of this.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying that's a bad thing, right?
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: We need things to come to market.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um but they're they're trying, they're profiting off of this.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: And the problem is they're bringing a lot of times methodologies that are used in a research setting, and they're bringing them to the public.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: And the public doesn't know that these that there are limitations to it because they think this is cutting edge.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: We're on the cutting edge right here, and people are desperate for answers.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so, of course, they're gonna be more trusting, but they don't realize that these methodologies are actually not ready yet to be in the public space, in large part.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I can't help but think, Sina, um, as you've gone through this, this is so similar to soil tests.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, I mean, your your figure of seven to ten percent right now, ten percent, supposedly, is the number of soil microorganisms that have been named and cataloged.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Ten percent.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Ninety percent of soil microorganisms, we don't know what they do.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: They don't have a name yet.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: We know we know very little.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: And and and yet when you and and then so you pull a soil sample, you send it off to a lab, and you can get you send it off to different labs, and you get different, totally different things based on the you know the biases.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: And bias is not a bad thing, but but you need the humility to understand all of us have biases, you know, and and um and so you send it off to the lab, and and the other thing that happens when you send it off a soil sample, it will it will change dramatically on time of season.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: If it's a biologically active time, good water, good air, you know, good ambient temperature, get a totally different soil sample.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: And if you take the same sample from a winter time, dormant soil or dry time when the biology isn't as active, because the biology is what makes the mineral active.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, all this works together.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's why, that's why then now there are labs that say we don't do soil samples, we do tissue testing.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: So they want you to take a sample of the plant growing and they do a tissue sample because supposedly that's more um, you know, that's more whatever, consistent, you know, um across the board.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: But um I can't help but but but just real we see the same thing in the soil, the plant, all the testing.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we have this fixation on um on on wanting to you know uh wanting to be the first to know, and um, and there's a lot of unknowables.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly right.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's why you've talked about this before.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like for soil, if we only know 10% of what's in there, but then we think we can just dump synthetic fertilizers on there with like three main, you know, elements in them or whatever, then that's clearly a reductionist thinking, and you're not gonna be able to solve the problem.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're not gonna be able to balance that soil uh by basically addressing the few compounds that you know exist in that soil.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: You've just negated the other 90% of what's in there, right?
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: And potentially cause an imbalance.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because now you think of it this way you're feeding that soil a supplement, a highly concentrated handful of ingredients.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think that's gonna create balance when you don't even know 90% of what else is in there?
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing for the human.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: We have we take these supplements, even probiotic supplements are largely a handful of microbes.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if we only know, if we don't know the vast majority of even what's in our microbiome, do you think it's gonna create a balanced situation in your microbiome if you give it a handful of specific types of microbes?
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's not gonna create a balance.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: Interestingly, one of the other health trends that we're seeing is people starting to shift from supplements, like these single nutrient supplements, to whole food.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: And part of this may be because of Kennedy, you know, maybe because of this whole eat real food thing.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I would like to think that part of this is also because uh people are starting to wake up and understand that it supplements are a pill for every ill, you know, an extension of that.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we can't continue with this reductionist thinking um that and have no humility and think that, oh, we can solve this with technology.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: It it's not going to happen.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, one of the things that I did like is that just recently there is a systemic review of many clinical clinical trials, and what they concluded was that there is no one size fits all diet.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: What they were looking at was to see which diet pattern would consistently improve blood sugar and weight management in young people and adults who have type 1 diabetes.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: And they looked at 12 different studies.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: They they looked at almost 700 different people.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: They compared diets like Mediterranean, low and moderate carbohydrate, low fat, what they call general healthy diets.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: And what they concluded was there there was no consistent dietary pattern in any of these randomized trials that was the single answer.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I will say, if you look at the meta-analysis, uh, low-carb diets are have the most consistent evidence for improved hemoglobin A1C and decreasing insulin requirement for a type 1 diabetic.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's been shown time and time again.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's even a 2025 meta-analysis of 35 randomized controlled trials.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: And they did report low carb provides the greatest benefit on glucose management.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: But the point is, you're even you're seeing in the research, and you're also seeing, for example, in the USDA, um, who's come out in support of this precision nutrition uh, you know, movement, that they realize the diets need to be tailored to the individual.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: That is the purpose behind precision agriculture.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a that was at least a positive here.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like there is a wake-up call, but what I am passionate about is please don't just blindly trust this technology and these wearables because we're not there.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: Our ancestors did not need this, right?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, you know, Cena, we we don't even we don't even know, for example, the effect that stress has on a certain hormone or enzyme or or nutritive value.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and and these 700 people, I mean, just take take this last study you just mentioned, these 700 people, I mean, think about the different situations they could be living in.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh climat climatic situations, um uh domicilic situations, different kind of housing, different kind of uh materials in a house, uh different kind of stress, uh different kind of job, different kind of exercise routine, different kind of exposure to the sun, I mean, to the sun.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's there's there's so many variables.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, diet is a is is one, but it's only one of a you know, of a of a whole platform that um that holds us up.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: And and of course, you know, we're that's why we want to go beyond protein, fat, and carbohydrates.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's been it's it's so easy to do that, but um talk about simplicity.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, in your whole it's your perception that really matters the most.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: And we study after study has shown this that yes, these physical, um, you know, the the physical realm matters, of course.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like what you eat matters.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: If you exercise, it matters.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: If you, if your water is clean, your air is clean, that all matters.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: But your level of consciousness is what matters the most.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: And they've even shown that with that study that was um, they reported a leptin-like substance and how um, gosh, this is either out of Stanford or Harvard, I want to say Stanford, where they basically fed the same subjects two different meals.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we've talked about this.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: They came in one week, gave them a meal, they measure this leptin-like compound, which which measures satiety.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so how fool do you feel?
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then um, and then the the same subjects came in again and they were given the same meal, but right before they were given that meal, half the subjects were told they had a gene that protected them from becoming obese.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: Then they measured that leptin-like hormone again.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: Sure enough, the ones who believed that they had that gene, they had a substantially lower um level, okay, compared to the control group.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: But the issue was the researchers lied to them.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't actually have that gene.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: But they believed that they had it.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so they were psychic psycho, yeah, psychosomatic.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: It was psychosomatic.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because they believed they had it, the body had a real-time physical response where it protected itself against becoming obese.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: It did that with hormone regulation in real time because of the belief of the person.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: So belief actually matters more.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: If you think something's gonna heal you, you're it's more likely to do it.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: And if you think something's gonna make you sick, like the it's the call the nocebo effect, it will make you sick.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: So in all these studies, you have that confounding variable, you know.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um so so if so, if I really believe that chocolate could be the most healthy thing I could ever eat, I'm I'm playing with you here, but uh uh if if I'm if I it is good.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Chocolate's not all that bad, I will tell you.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, but seriously, to your point, if you think that chocolate is good for you and it's not gonna harm you, and you eat it.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna you're gonna have a different bodily response.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're happy and you feel good eating it.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can argue that that's probably not a bad thing for you.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: Just like if you're exercising, we we see this too.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: I just thought of this in exercise.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: If you're dreading exercising, you know, and then you exercise versus if you do a form of exercise that you're really excited about, like when I go play tag with my kids and I'm happy doing it, it has been shown that you have a much better adaptive response when you have done the exercise that brings you joy.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: So it's the same thing, it's your perception that has changed the physiological response.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: So for tying this back into the microbiome, one of the limitations of all these tests is that the microbiome is dynamic, it's not static.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: It changes in real time.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: So if you really want to help your microbiome laugh, right?
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: Play.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: To your point, reduce your stress.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many people, I have seen so many of these tests now.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: So many of these microbiome tests, because people come to me all the time with these tests, and then and then we'll track them.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, okay, well, now this test told me to take this supplement or this medication to correct this imbalance.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then they do it, and then they wait six months and they test again.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: What do you know?
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: Now they have a whole new imbalance that has shown up on that test, and now there's another product to try to correct that imbalance.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I tell people all the time we know how to heal the gastrointestinal tract.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: We already know how to do it.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: These tests, in large part at this moment, are a distraction.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're chasing something that's a constant moving stick.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it keeps you tied into some kind of protocol that may or may not even apply to your situation.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because by the time that they analyze that fecal sample, your microbiome may have actually changed already.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the best things.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: You may have switched, you may have switched from watching watching the news to watching uh I Love Lucy.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we just outsource too much.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: We outsource, we have too much faith in it.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I just want to kind of, if if there's anybody out there that's been living in that high-tech bubble, just kind of, you know, pop that bubble just a little bit, like so that we're not duped later on, you know?
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, because that but um this one I thought you might be interested in.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: So in terms of this list of health trends so far for this year, at the bottom of the list is people consuming plant-based and lab-grown meat alternatives.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: It says they're even seeing many formerly plant-based restaurants and plant-based influencers um basically incorporate more animal products that they feel are sustainable and ethical.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: The market has changed, and fully plant-based diets are no longer as highly favored as they once were.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: So that that was cool.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was an interesting thing, and maybe that's part of the real food thing.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, Brooke Rollins has piggybacked on top of that, where you know, they came out with that product of USA labeling rule this year where um, you know, the product had to be born, raised, slaughtered, and processed in the USA.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, country of origin.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: Country of origin.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Country of origin labeling.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, she's trying to tighten up the loopholes that have been in that label.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: And one thing she said is she's taken a hardline stance against allowing lab-grown synthetic or highly processed plant-based simulated meats to bear that label.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: They're they're not allowed to carry that product of USA label.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so for the for the lab-grown cell-cultivated meat, uh, basically the argument is that it's real animal tissue, but it's grown from stem cells and these stainless steel vats.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's biologically meat, but she argues that it doesn't meet the born and raised criteria.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then for the ultra-processed plant-based meat, they're made from soy and pea protein and like that, you know, that heme, uh, like the impossible burger.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: And even if the peas are grown in the US and the patty is made in a U.S.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: factory, the product of USA label is governed under uh the Food Safety and Inspection Service rule, which means it's specifically for meat, poultry, and egg products.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: Plant based meats, though, are technically regulated.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: By the FDA as a food rather than a meat.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: So they don't qualify for that made in the USA label.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: Which I thought that was great.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: At this point, we'll see what happens if there's loopholes that come out of it.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: But at least right now, they're trying to keep that out of that product of USA label.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: They're trying to keep that label a premium brand for ranchers.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, there's still loopholes in it, but but on a happy note, at least they're not including these fake foods.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that that's that isn't that isn't that fascinating uh that she's taking that.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the the the lab the lab the lab culture was not born.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: It reminds me it reminds me of about, I don't know what, 15 years ago.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't remember what two two big poultry companies.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: One was claiming um antibiotic-free chicken.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: And the other company sued them.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because what the what the one company had done was they had found a slow release antibiotic that they could inject in the in the egg, and it was slowly released so that the so that during after the after the chick hatched, it didn't need antibiotics.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: So it was raised without antibiotics.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: So this thing goes to court.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: This was a huge thing.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm talking about like 15 years ago.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: I remember it like yesterday, and went to court, and the one that was using the slow release antibiotic lost because the judge said the life of the chicken started the day the egg was laid.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: That was the day the life of the chicken started.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, of course, those of us in the you know abortion right to life, you know, community um had quite a time with that court ruling that here in our country we allow we say human embryos are not alive.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, that's what the uh courts have ruled, but here's a judge saying um that the life of a chicken starts the day the egg is laid, and and so that so the life of the chicken started before the chicken was ever hatched, before the chicken was ever hatched.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's the uh that's that's the interesting interesting um legal machinations of the court system.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's crazy today.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: But so so it's a similar thing that Brooke Rollins is saying that this cell cultured meat from living stem cell cultures was not born and it could not have been raised like people like you'd assume, you know, it that's um oh i imagine sitting in on that um on on that uh wrangling meeting when they wrangled out that um you know linguistic linguistic position of the it was probably it it probably happened over like a 40 hour period.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, now that we've seen how long these meetings go in government.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, probably sure.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: How many how many how many uh uh you know jet jet trips were required to hang haggle that out?
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well that that is it's just um I really appreciate your your whatever uh the proper word, maybe, you know, um dubiousness uh about this kind of promise.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: And um But you know, we we we love that we love that that scientific, bright, shiny object.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, these wearables and stuff.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: People are people are buying this stuff like crazy, and of course the you know, the GLP and all that.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's it's um it's a new fascination because we are fascinated by technology.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I want to know, you know.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean and and the thought that we can actually see what our micro mitochondria do is doing in my pinky cell, you know.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's that's a I mean that that's that's a that's a a a human fascination that um that can distract us from a lot of things and could actually create more stress.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, look at this.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is this data is I'm I'm going down in my left big toe, you know.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, and it all has limitations and flaws.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes, sometimes data's wrong.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes machines are wrong.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm and I'm not saying I'm not anti-technology, right?
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that it's all bad.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just trying to raise a level of you know caution here.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: That don't rely solely on it and and certainly try to exercise the muscle of your intuition, you know, your God-given intuition.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: Raise that above any type of machine, you know?
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's I I think you can get to a point where you're so dependent on it that you may not even know what the next step is, you know.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like what if that machine, what if the battery goes out and then you're like, oh wait, now what do I eat?
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because the machine hasn't told me what to eat.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of the government telling you what to eat with dietary guidelines, now we're just moving toward some machine with AI crunching data to tell us what to eat.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: When it doesn't have to be that complicated, like literally just think about what our ancestors ate.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: And they lived long, they had long health spans compared to us.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you don't need a watch to tell you if you slept well.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if you wake up and you don't feel good, like, you know.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like yeah, like, oh my goodness, even like how many REM cycles you need and all this stuff, like, oh, it's too much information, and people get so hyper-focused and stressed on it.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: And that stress is going to cause you to get sick.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I appreciate that.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um, our ancestors, I mean, the the lifespan, the average lifespan was shorter back then, but it was not short because of of major, that was not short because of of chronic health issues.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: It was short because of of lack of sanitation.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: You had dysentery, typhoid, um uh childbirth was a you know, a lot of women died in childbirth.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the the number you know what the number one um uh after childbirth, the number one um um mortality among women in 1900, uh, you know, from from like 1800 to 1900, that century, the number one killer of women, you know what it was?
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so since you already said childbirth, I'm gonna ooh, I'm gonna go out on a limb here.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: The number two, the number number one was childbirth.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: Number one was childbirth.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: So the number two, the number two cause of death among women between 1800 and 1900.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so let me take a radical guess here.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I was gonna say, like quote unquote infectious disease, but how about I'm gonna do something crazy.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: How about um their skirts catching on fire?
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: Bingo, you got that's that's the right, yes, yeah.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: These great big hoop skirts, you know, she swishes around by the fireplace and suddenly mom's on fire and she goes up.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: And and of course they they didn't have burn centers, you know.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_01: And um and so yeah, it was um it was uh burn it was infections, it was from burning um women uh get their skirts on fire.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, that's crazy.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: Crazy the thing.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, just stop wearing those skirts, like if it's that big of an issue, you know.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: But anyhow, um, yeah, and so you know, the industrial period where the with the sanitation conditions, that was like a little blip, right?
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_00: Take if you take that out and you go back to you know our ancient cultures, then um, you know, once they lived past childhood, yes, they would live just as long as we live today, but they had longer health spans, you know, and so that's what I'm referring to.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't need all this, like so um this stuff is very common sense.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's you know, how to be healthy is very common sense and very intuitive.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: The issue gets into all the toxins that we're exposed to and being aware of how where they are and how to avoid them, right?
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because it usually people who are wearing these, you know, these wearables and they're sending fecal samples in to do these tests, these people tend to be sick or, you know, they're trying to get healthier.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: So what I'm suggesting is an easier, less expensive way to actually get healthier is to think of how the ancestors lived and try to live as closely to that as possible.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: And first and foremost to manage the stress, right?
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: Every single day.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: I feel that's the most important you can do.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: And and Joel, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I personally feel like at this point, with all my studies and all my experience and working with all these clients, the number one thing you can do is to manage your stress, take things off your plate so you don't feel so overwhelmed and overworked and unappreciated, so you don't get triggered you know so much when somebody does ask you to do one more thing and you have nothing else to give.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you could do that, if you could just manage the stress, then we could really start living well to 100.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and part of that is yeah, part of that stress that we hang on to is not forgiving people, right?
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: This is all tied together.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's all tied together.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: That is, in my opinion, the most important thing you can do.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um not forgiving and um and obsessing, uh uh uh obsessing about um whatever.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't know enough, it's not enough.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I mean, I mean these these these I was at the rally yesterday, this um uh I walked the Heritage Foundation had a had a luncheon for all of us speakers, and we're going over and I'm walking with a uh a gal and she she had been there a couple of days in DC and you know the the thing I always um leave DC about is is all the walking.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, everything is you know the blocks are huge, you know, and and I mean you just walk from the Washington Monument to the Capitol building.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's you know, it's whatever, it's a mile or something.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, she had the day before she'd walked 30,000 steps.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of steps.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, but but you know, so you so you you've got because she had a she had a wearable, you know, she would, oh wow, you know, and and so so then so then you start obsessing about what I didn't get my steps in.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean she you see people uh obsessed about this stuff.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um oh no, I need another thousand steps.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: And and what happens then your stress spikes because because it's not an I'm not enough.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then then you, you know, so all this just accelerates and feeds into that whole that whole uh rigmarole.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I I I think it'd be um I know we have one little thing you wanna you want to mention, uh the Fauci, the Fauci deal.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we've got enough time for that, but I'm gonna go ahead and pose the question now.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um let's have our our uh our folks um um do you do you use a wearable?
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: And if so, have you found it useful?
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: Number two, have you stopped wearing a wearable and found it um freeing?
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think it'd be interesting to just throw that out to see see where our folks are on wearables.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even have a smartphone.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even have a smartphone, so it's gonna be a long time before I ever get a wearable.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I wouldn't know I I wouldn't know how to read it anyway.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: So uh how's that for a question?
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's let's wrap up with your with your little um with your information about um Fauci's lieutenant.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so this one just came out.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're we're recording on April, April 28th.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: So this just released for us.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_00: There's a press release out of the U.S.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: Department of Justice, and it says that a former senior official, so this was one of Fauci's um aides, has been indicted for concealing federal records during the COVID-19 pandemic.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_00: According to the Department of Justice, he deliberately concealed information, falsified records to suppress alternative theories regarding the origin of COVID-19.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_00: So the and he he's 78 years old, uh lives in Maryland, charged with conspiracy against the United States.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um yet he was a senior advisor from 2006 to 2022.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: So they're saying that it looks like it's criminal charges.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: And we have down here, like if he's convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison for conspiracy against the United States, maximum penalty of 20 years in prison for each count of destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigation, and a maximum penalty of three years in prison for each count of concealment, removal, or mutilation of records.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's getting pretty close to Fauci, isn't it?
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, close to Fauci.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_00: I know, and I'm wondering, I'm like, why now?
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like Yeah.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: Is this part of me is like, okay, so well for you know, lots of questions.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_00: Is Fauci next?
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: Is um I mean I know that you know they gave him some immunity, but is this a distraction?
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's other people who like he used email, for example, he didn't want um to use the government email account because then you know when you have FOIA requests, it's handed over.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: So he would use personal email account.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, like personal email.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we have heard of a lot of people who have done that and who have like hidden documents and stuff.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: So why now?
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: Why this person?
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: Why now?
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: Someone who like I've never heard of this person before.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so I don't know, it to me, I'm thinking, is this a like look over here because we don't want you to see what's over here?
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know?
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: Could could be um you just you you you can be pretty sure that whatever the um you know the the whatever the basic narrative is, it's not it's not all the truth.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's not all the story.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: It yeah, it's certainly not.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: I I uh I had a I had a young lady uh for about uh six months that I was I was hoping would start a newspaper here, and those people who know me know that my in my second life I'd like to have a you know a weekly, a weekly um investigative newspaper local, you know, uh exposing the corruption at the local level.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so I was training her and and and I'd take the newspaper and every single news article I was I was coaching her into what did what what did this story not say?
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_01: What would you want to know that this story didn't say?
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: And um and uh I'm really good at that.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: And and and what you be because I was a journalist and I I was with other reporters and I saw how they thought, I saw how they they you know they they operated, and um, and one of my pet peeves is news stories that leave you leave you with more questions than answers.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so this is this is a similar one.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you can be assured there's a lot of there's a lot of backdoor stuff going on here that we're not being, you know, that we're not being told.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because even if you do a quick internet search on it, there's a press release from May of 2024.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_00: This was from the Committee on Oversight, and it was a hearing.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_00: And they said, here's the hearing wrap-up.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Fauci's top advisor held accountable for COVID-19 federal records violation undermining the NIH operations.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: They're talking about the same man that was just indicted.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: And the takeaways were that this guy, they said, was held publicly accountable for undermining the operation of the U.S.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: government.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um he repeatedly uh he deleted federal COVID-19 records.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: He used his personal email account to evade the FOIA.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_00: He repeatedly chalked up his federal record violation, his flagrant misconduct, conduct, and nefarious behavior to quote, dark humor or quote, jokes.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um he, you know, it goes on and on.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: He admitted to intentionally avoiding FOIA by using his personal email account to discuss official government business.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then it says we're we're gonna continue our efforts to hold him accountable.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_00: So again, that was from May of last year.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_01: So uh May of two years ago.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you said May of 2024.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, 2024.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_00: That was May of 2024.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's so that's been two years.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's just been sitting there um uh whatever, you know, percolating.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: So why now?
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: Why now?
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, why now?
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, these things usually have a you know precision timing.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: Talk about precision act, precision nutrition.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_00: This is precision politics at play.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_01: Precision politics.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it sure is.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, seeing as always, it's great to uh to catch up on what you're uh seeing and what you're looking at and get your take on these on these things.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: We certainly live in uh certainly live in interesting times, and um as usual, we're very appreciative of our folks who want to tune in each week and hear what we um have to say about everything from current events to um the other topics that we tackle.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh we thank you all for being with us, and we look forward to being with you again next week.