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- speaker-0: So, you know, understanding is heard. You know what saying? And I'm about to be the doctor without the doctrine. speaker-1: John Love, urban activist slash black activist. What's the dug? speaker-0: You know what And today we got a good one, y'all. You know what I'm saying? We thought it was a good time to chime in on community. So this is going to be like community versus like the streets and shit. You know what I'm saying? So in the vein of talking about that, like we wanted to bring in our guy Slice, Slice Maximus. What's up, baby? speaker-2: Hey man, everything good, man. It's a pleasure to be on, man. Man, it's not my first time with y'all, so this is like a reunion, man. I appreciate y'all. speaker-0: Hell yeah, hell yeah. speaker-1: Appreciate you too, brother. Shout out to the Talk Heavy Podcast, bro. speaker-2: Yeah. Appreciate that, man. Appreciate y'all. speaker-0: So yeah, and GB and Dev got the Talk Heavy podcast. Talk to us a little bit about that, John, what y'all got going. We just live, John, so you know. speaker-2: Yeah. Yeah man, so the live jump was all right. We don't feel it was our best one, but you know, the main thing is that we just it you keep grinding day to day, man. ⁓ but it was it was a blessing. People came from all over the country, man, from Seattle, ⁓ Chicago, where else, man? speaker-1: In the Anabolis. I was like, yeah, they got it cracking, dog. He was proud for that. speaker-2: Yeah. For me, that was the best part that, you know, some people got trillions of views, man, but we got people that support us. So I'd rather have a hundred people that truly support us versus a million people who just tap in and keep it pushing. You know what I'm saying? So I mean we we we've been grinding for about five, six years now. So this works. speaker-0: Hell yeah. And for people right that per se like some people see Gill in them and seeing as soon as they got on like they, you know what saying, was Tom Marshall on Apple and all of that. But obviously for a lot of people not thinking about it, they kind of already was in a mix. speaker-1: Okay. speaker-0: And so whenever they can switch over, not to just say that the switch over always be successful, but like, you know what saying? There's was a little cool transition type time. speaker-2: So one of our co-hosts pretty much helping to create that ⁓ million dollars worth of game situation and then whatever happened with their business or deals separating, they kinda did switch over and and do a different style podcast after a while. You know what I'm saying? And they're having much success with the the interviews and the sports and so you know best of luck to those guys doing their thing, man. speaker-0: Yeah, but no, I said to say that I meant I was saying it in the sense of going somewhere with it like when people think about podcasts and they might look at dumb type of Jones and think like it's a you know saying it's a speaker-1: instant success, like a instant blow, like they don't understand the persistence that it take to get into it and really, you know, get off the ground with this, like. speaker-2: Yeah, you gotta have ⁓ persistence. But I'm I'm gonna say this, even if theirs were was quicker than others, man, everybody got different paths to get to the top. You know what I'm saying? They don't everybody don't get that fly by night. You know what I mean? Everybody don't bump Siegel, when I hear Bean Siegel talk about how somebody put him on, he bumped in the J wreck for him and it was from there. Some other people like Meek had to put out 50 mixtapes and then the wave caught on and 100 DVDs. So they both reached the top. Per se if you want to consider it but everybody got their own past. But like you said, consistency is is kick. speaker-0: Yeah. Like what you think y'all, what you think y'all can't, what do you think y'all community consists of? speaker-2: There again. ⁓ for us, I think it's weird. Our people are all types. So we didn't have some, we got like lawyers and doctors and people who I would never expect to watch our show. And it's like our it's like their guilty pleasure. Like it's the thing that they could never say in corporate America. You know what I'm saying? So they get something out of it. Then we got the younger guys, because we coach football for a lot of years. So we got a lot of our old players that's becoming men now. They in their mid-20s and stuff. So They'll tune in to hear some advice, but they also know we be goofing around too, you what I'm saying? And ⁓ but it's mainly a lot of people writing in relationship based, man. So what I'm realizing is everybody got the same issues when it comes to relationships, man. Especially, man, men and women be trying to figure it out. You know, and right now it seemed like a war between us two. When I say us two, I mean men and women. But I think two things could be true. I think we can not see out of eye on something. both trying to figure out how to fix it at the same time still not being able to get it together no matter what we we all think we're we're right when we give it our ends. It's it's weird. But relationships will never die, man. They've been here since the beginning of the time man. You can always sure that's always be be the thing to talk about. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, so people really like your community engage so they really write in. speaker-2: Yes, that's that's that's the that's the shocking thing, right? 'Cause when we first started, it was just like people I knew around the way and I would take some of their questions and bring on to the show. But then when we start saying send your questions and we when the inbox started flooding and then the problems, I'm like, yo, people got some real fucked up problems. I don't even know if I can curse with this jaw. People got some real issues, but ⁓ in the grand scheme of things, man, it's like I'm thankful for ⁓ I'm thankful they got them problems so we can really come on and I'm gonna say most people who write in, I think, want us to clown on their problems. I think they write in knowing the answer already. They just want it's like having a friend that the clown you to be like, man, you dickhead, you know, doing well, you're not supposed to be standing. So we give we give ⁓ we give ⁓ that extra push to be like, you know what, man, my OG ⁓ Yeah, contest, so speaker-0: Yeah, it kind of bugged out a lot speaker-1: I thought it was just my jaw. I say, Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. For a second and shit. But no, we we catch the drift of that jaw and all and that's it's like the aut authenticity of it, bro. It's like That's really how you build 'cause it's like it's real life people, real life situations. Even if they is calling a bid or get some answers, whatever, that engagement, bro, a lot of people don't got that. Some of these people that you know that that tune into a both of our shows or whatever, some of these people don't even come out the house for real, for real. You feel me? So that can mean everything to them. Just that engagement and being on a platform like y'all joined, getting their questions answered, that's thorough. speaker-2: Yeah. Part of the secret people don't know, like if if sometimes if you hear everybody on the panel going one direction, I might even agree with them, but in order to entertain at this point, man, I'm going opposite, just to battle, you know what I mean, to to get the other point of view and the and the play devil's advocate. So I mean it works. It's working. So I I I I'm thankful. I mean I'm really thankful. speaker-0: Yeah, like I think like the topics and like how y'all you know, I mean advertising stuff like that Yeah, like be like the you know the the the grit the you know the stuff right? But when you actually tune into the join and y'all Individually talking about this stuff like y'all giving real mature thorough thorough piss speaker-2: In the midst of the jokes, yeah, we try to get I mean you wan you wanna make sure like I know we talking about community and stuff, we wanna make sure that ⁓ we're not doing a disservice all the way either. You know what I'm saying? You want somebody or be like, you know what, man, I don't agree with this, but I agree with this guy here and it's the advice I'm taking. So Yeah. But ⁓ I listened to one of all recent ones. ⁓ I think Palcake was on there with y'all, man. And I just I love the topics. When you talk about authenticity, man, y'all telling it real. I mean to me it's real with no jokes. It's like, yo, we just giving the bars and and we need platforms like that too, man. It's like if you go on on TV and you only had comedy, man, that would be a problem. Or if you only had all CNN, that would be a problem. So All of us working together, we fluctuate to bring bring all types of content for whoever's tuning into that type of brand, you know what I mean? speaker-1: So if y'all here we buildin' a tree. You feel me? We got everything for y'all. Like like and then ain't no like competition based. We all together with it. Like you feel me? Cause if they drop something, we riding. If we drop something, they riding. So that's that's the type of community that we building with this podcast life. Like you feel me? speaker-2: So I I know it's some it's a group called I think the Philly Podcast link and I'll be seeing they stuff and ⁓ they've been on and we ⁓ did some stuff with them. And I think I don't know if they've been around longer than us or we've been around longer than them. I I can't really I don't know when they started, but what I will say is that's the type town we was always on. Like, you know, we always talked about other cities sticking together and supporting each other and our city known for hating and wanting to be the only one at the top, like Like the money not already printed and ain't enough for everybody to get something, you know what I'm saying? It's sad. But ⁓ I don't know if y'all notice that there has never been nobody who came on our show that even spoke beef about anybody else. You know what I'm saying? We don't even if that was the case, we'd say, No, we ain't putting that out because our show built on love. People might not know it 'cause of the sick jokes that we say, but ⁓ Shit, we d Quilly up there at the time when, you know, him and Meek and them was going at it. We ain't talking no negativity. You know what I'm saying? We done had 'cause we it's just not there for that. We up there to this the highlight the people we got there and to have fun with the people we got there, all that other outside stuff at the time, we don't, you know what I'm saying, they ⁓ with our show built on. speaker-1: Yeah you know how the algorithms work it could be going to South Africa, Italy, whatever. We don't want to build our narrative like that. You feel me? Because when we all link up, it's love. It ain't nothing going on. Like that's how we met Poundcake, you feel me? Through y'all. Like now that's the sis. Like we we bang with her heavy. speaker-2: I I love it, man. I love it, man. That's what we call it the ⁓ talk heavy universe. And so you might see the same people coming on our show every time because we kind of got a somewhat open door policy. Some people are friends and they just want to get something off their chest that night. They could be arguing with their girl, arguing with their dude. They wanna come, they really want to just have fun or be in that community so they able to come in. And when people come to our live shows, they so used to seeing the recurring guests, it's like, ⁓ shit, there go Pale K. ⁓ snap, there go Jay Lachet. It becomes one big family. So, you know what I mean? We just trying to expand upon it. speaker-0: Yeah, I love that shit, you know what saying? I definitely wanted to know about a couple other people that was on the network, you know, we can save it for in person and shit, but... speaker-2: I'm a very transparent person, so you ask whatever with me, man. I'll I'll tell everybody to the best of my speaker-0: I'm more for dev and shit, but in the vein of this, me in which y'all think community is though. speaker-2: So are you asking the overall question of community or are you asking like in what we're doing here? So I know for me, when I think of community, I really think about just the whole village. You know what I'm saying? Like the old saying, and it takes a village to raise a child. ⁓ I grew up that way. Like in the neighborhood, you had whether they were winos on the corners or drug dealers on the corner, when you a young boy, they looked out for you. You feel what I'm saying? ⁓ I I speaker-0: Word for you. speaker-2: Blessed cause I play basketball like Dillas ain't never try force me to track, you know what I'm saying? Then you got old guys that was drinking and windows they'll look out for you, man. And a lot of times when when people talk about their success story, they don't never credit that window who made sure you look both ways before you cross the street or he told you, yo, don't drink this shit here, this ain't good for you. You know what I mean? We we miss a lot of those lessons. But when I when I go back to my hood and I go back to Jerome Street and For the ones that's still around and the ones that survive when I see ⁓ they don't understand. Like I feel like I credit a lot of that to them guys saving my life. And me not on the block doing too much of the wrong thing. You know what I'm saying? So I think the village for me, I don't know if that's the best definition of community, but ⁓ just having people and friends and family and and associates that that work together for for a Here, all right, let me find Joanna Do Not Disturb. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: Make sure nobody all called me I apologize. speaker-0: How you good? speaker-2: That's kind of my my perception. speaker-1: And my definition of community is like, you know, it's the people that you interact with every day. It could be your neighbor, it could be people you work with, it could be your company, like different companies you work with, whatever. It's just that camaraderie. Like you feel me? It's not just about you and the so like solo. Like everybody got a team, whether you wanna identify it or not. That team can be your mom, your sisters, your brother, your homies, whoever. And like that's a community, bro. Like and the people around you, bro, like I feel as though We supposed to like be at least ⁓ thorough with with our neighbors and we supposed to know what's going on in our neighborhoods and all that. Just like Slice said, bro, like you know how it was the windows and all that. Like now to the point we the OGs, bro. Like, so now I gotta tell these young boys, listen, it's another way. If you wanna get some paper, come to me. I I got these cleaning contracts, we can do this. It's this program that you can get these certifications, get some money, but it's other ways. So I'm trying to build the community. that way by being like that outsource to another way 'cause shit I'm from the projects, bro. Like but I'm from a project where it was thorough. Like they they kept me out of shit too as well. At the same time, right down the hallway is this. Right on this floor is this. On this floor, don't go to that floor. You feel me? So that's that's just what it is for me, man. Community is the people that you interact with and that you're around every day. speaker-0: Yeah. What do y'all think the streets are? speaker-2: The streets, ⁓ the crazy thing is it's a community too, for some people. ⁓ when I think about a lot of the the people I know in the streets, plenty of them went there not just for money. You know what I'm saying? ⁓ a lot of them went there because they was looking for love too. Situations in the household was a certain way, and at that point, when they went out on the corner, it seemed like they had somebody who would take ⁓ to the store and buy them a sandwich or give them a couple dollars when they And they showed them that that that community that slash brotherhood. So they begin to believe like, you know, this is my community. And so they followed the path of ⁓ a lot of people in that in that particular s somewhat small community. But ⁓ I don't think it's no difference. I think the difference between the streets and any other community is just whether your community is trying to teach you to do positive in a certain way versus trying to steer you into a negative direction. ⁓ Not to say that everybody in the streets is just doing negativity. There's a lot of good people that live in the street life. ⁓ some don't know how to get out. Some wish they could get out. You know what I'm saying? It's a weird thing that ⁓ some of them had to give advice to tell people don't follow these footsteps. Don't come to the streets like me, because the outcomes of all my friends been X, Y, Z, deaths, murder, jail, whatever. You'll get the real story from the you know, from people in that community, but They too are a community and can be a somewhat loving community until it's speaker-1: Mm-hmm. I agree. Which what's your definition, Buck? What's your definition of the streets? speaker-0: Like the streets is like survival, you know what mean? Like I don't know if I really see it as community. You can say it in a form, but it's more like survival because it's like it actually go against the community. You know what mean? Like the streets, all it's about. It goes against community because it's really individualism. So it's not a collective there. You get what I'm saying? Like individuals is trying to get money, survive, you know what mean? So it's a dog eat dog world. You feel me? I'm a dude, whatever I need to do to get over on the next person. I don't really care because I'm thinking about me and my family and our survival. You get what I'm saying? And it come from, for me, come from like how the police is. You know what I'm saying? Like a lot of that stuff for me is just a transfer from slavery, mentality transfer from the master onto the slaves. You know what saying? and so even before the streets you had like the juke joints and shit like that. then it was, ⁓ it was liquor and all of that boot, bootleg and liquor and all of that type of stuff. So that type of, ⁓ push towards criminal acts, you know I'm saying? And, and it being a devastation to your own people and efforts. that seemed like, you know what mean? And then now you fast forward, it's so embedded. It's almost like his own culture now. Like motherfuckers in Britain, Egypt, England, I don't give a fuck where you go. Motherfuckers be talking this street shit now. You get what I'm saying? Even people at work be talking about you snitched on me. Like, get what I'm saying? speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: They didn't took it from the block to the motherfucking office talking about you telling them. You get what I'm saying? original up that came from like when slaves was trying to run away and the motherfucking told on them. speaker-1: Right. speaker-2: He's still ⁓ speaker-1: Sure. speaker-0: Now this life it hurts so much though you feel me as as real adults and mature adults thinking about this shit now and hindsight I'm like that shit hurt you know, it's just like Motherfuckers are really be ready live and die over some street shit that ain't even real like I hear a lot of like fucking Future he said he only in pop pills, but Joe I'm making this fucking purple haze and pill poppin. I'm like, how can you do that, bro? You talk to people directly like every drug dealer nigga I ever known that street nigga I ever know. If you really talk to them, clever. Clever, brilliant. Never wish they could have ever did it. Wish it was other things to do. You get what I'm saying? speaker-2: Yeah, it's a lot of misguided speaker-1: I don't even fuck with that shit. speaker-2: The sad part, man, is is the when you talk about street guys, man, and you talk about real versus fake, the real when they come home from jail, don't tell you, like, yo, I did that shit on the handstand. It wasn't nothing. You know what I'm saying? Like they you should hear the way some people talk when they come out misleading the next group of people. But there are people who come home and real and tell the real man that help that help kind of lead people in a different direction. But ⁓ When I think of the streets and drugs and stuff, I watch I watch things flip too. So watch a lot of people get locked up for selling weed, right? The moment that quote unquote corporate America government say it's cool, now it's cool to sell. You understand what I'm saying? Like at some point, I do know I do know it's laws in place and things. And don't get me wrong, there's there's a setup for for our color that been put in the works for for decades and decades, and you starting to see the heavily now with the young boys with guns everywhere and drugs everywhere. You th and and no respect for old heads and no respect for the law. That's that was something set up. Since they took the dads out the house in the 80s. You know what I'm saying? That this is just this is just the outcome of it. But what I do know is when we talk about community, I do feel about I've seen some communities, quote unquote, the Spanish and Dominican communities that was heavily selling drugs and they were hurting their community at the same time trying to help, quote unquote, I guess, if you want to call it help, by making sure people's family bills are paid, making sure the hungry eat. So I'm never I'm never a advocate for doing something illegal, right? But I but I do understand people got different situations that may make them make that decision, even if it's the wrong decision. You know what I'm saying? But it's consequences. speaker-0: Right. Especially when there's not even a real restriction for real for real. If a motherfucker strip you of everything, put you in poverty, no resources, and then give you the only resources that's going to be drugs and then tell them, so where you going to sell it to? You only going to sell it to who around you and who want it. You know what I'm saying? So other people that's in poverty going to feel a need from depression and not having resources to do the drugs. So then it becomes a cycle of us just killing each other. Everybody enough to be able to like pull back and be like, you know what saying? Cause I truly believe without it, we wouldn't even be like this for real. Like it was born fair. It was fair equal. We wouldn't be like this. speaker-2: The problem is Problem is not The sick part, bro, is the difference between telling the truth and making excuses, right? So we can say these things. We all know Ronald Reagan dropped coke in our neighborhoods, right? And our all our parents was, I don't want to say all y'all parents, but a lot of our parents was hooked on crack and coke or whatever. Bro, if men say, yo, it's a system in here that was set up to try to destroy us, a lot of our people are believing like, nah, nigga, y'all just making excuses because y'all want to be lazy. And the truth is, bro. And this is why when I argue, I argue with some of the women on the show. It may seem like every one of us could be Barack Obama, right? If you just work hard, you could be Barack Obama, bro. That is not true, right? It's not true starting in our kindergartens and our public schools where we got not the resources and the right books. You know what I'm saying? We'd be a taught and misled, not taught the right thing. It starts from a system where not saying you can't make it, but you gotta first be speaker-1: That's not true. speaker-2: God blessed with the fucking with the mental ability to do certain things that everybody's not blessed with. Two, you gotta you sometimes gotta be lucky, man. You they just let three dudes out of jail the other day, right? I heard they got been in it 30 years for quote unquote killing an old lady and it just fell. speaker-1: Yeah, it got booked in ninety seven. speaker-2: 97. So you telling me that if those guys would have put their head together, they would have been a Barack Obama? No. They it would it wasn't in their destiny to ever be there. They didn't have a chance. I don't know if they were in the whatever they into, but let's just say they three innocent guys, they just did 30 years in jail. And you telling me based off the environment we're in, we're more likely to get locked up, more likely to get framed, we're more likely to get killed. It's not excuses, it's facts. Now, do that mean you don't try to put yourself forward to be great? Yes, you should never quit. But ⁓ it's some kind of way, I even feel like they condition our black women to believe that all man, if you ain't got this, this, and this, or it's just cause you're lazy, not because of the the system and the circumstances, and it plays a part. That's just a it's a fact. But I mean, no excuses, you gotta keep grinding though. speaker-0: No, but you gotta accept that one because we not living in a normal society. If we ain't had slavery and then the women said that, I would be right there with them like, yo, yes, we are lazy. You know what I'm saying? But with these type of conditions and us not controlling how we produce money, it's so fucking hard. Like, you know what I'm saying? speaker-1: And bro, that trauma, bro, that trauma, dog, that shit don't go nowhere. If it wasn't never settled, it wasn't that shit is hereditary. So even if our great great grandpops went through this shit, bro, if they ain't get the proper help to get that shit out of their system, it gets transferred to us. So it's like and then they they start our story with slavery. They don't start it with like, you feel me, with the Moors. They don't start it with like the the first king of ⁓ Rome and all that being black. They don't start it with none of that. Like, you feel me? speaker-2: It's intentional. speaker-0: Thanks. speaker-1: Exactly. They don't talk about Gaddafi and all them like bro. They don't talk about none of that, dog. But they start our drawn off as is like slavery. Then they tell other countries, you know, nah these people is dangerous. Don't da da da da da da. So now the racism it pour right in right at the airport as soon as they fly in. So it was like I don't like that's why I can't like all right, I don't fully agree with the streets. But at the same bro, like I do that shit, dog, 'cause like it's it's something. That that's what built our grit up, bro. Like that little bit of love that we encountered from motherfuckers that we know in the streets and all that, bro, that that helped take us across the line a little bit, bro. 'Cause if we didn't have that, at least in that little bit of street, bro, influenced the whole world. You feel me? For us to act like so I ain't saying it's perfect. And I ain't saying the shit wrong neither, dog. Cause it's like it gotta be some type of combat to like these systems that was put in place for us, bro. Like if we ain't doing nothing, we ain't standing up, we ain't fighting together, we ain't doing nothing together, bro. So it's like I you man, I I can't really knock it, bro, cause we be just gonna do follow every rule while they still just doing whatever to us. Like speaker-0: Yeah, but it's like... If that one rule that you breaking is more detrimental to your people, it's not conducive. You feel me? Like if I could sit back and then watch y'all do what y'all do to each other. Now, if the streets rally on like the original Black Panthers, the original Crips, the original of all of that stuff and it stays solid to that and it really protected the community and not allow all of this stuff to happen. The hell yeah. ⁓ I would love if the streets could, you mean gear up and go to war for our lives. Man, cause like that's what it is. speaker-1: It that'll be thorough, right? speaker-2: Yeah. Now the problem with the youth, and I I I'm with you. I I agree a hundred percent with you. You know what saying? I wish that we had a better cause for sticking together, having these, you know what I'm saying? We just every like part of it is like you said, every man for himself out here at times. ⁓ but our community's messed up on those cases because we did have some accountability back in the day. I don't think the young boys, and I could be wrong, but I'll I'll talk no more on in order for them to make it. Not only they gotta hear it from the old head, they gotta have a a friend that's next to them and say, Stop drawing. Don't do that, young boy. You know what I'm saying? And I don't even I I work at a community center right now, and ⁓ you know, I I do a lot with the youth throughout the city, and I don't see too many young boys redirecting their own homies. They don't have no self-accountability for each other. And when I look at that, I'm like, yo, they don't have real friends. All that, I'll die for you, I'll arrive for you, I'll kill you, you know what I'm saying? But You won't even check me enough to make sure that I don't do nothing stupid to go to jail. And I don't know how we build that back up. speaker-1: Yeah. That's the hardest part, bro. That influence, man, that peer pressure and that like that trying to be that bull, all that thorough shit and all that, like, that shit is winning, bro. It's crazy, like it's it's a fortunate, but that shit definitely that's that's their thing right now, bro. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, I recently seen like this elder guy talk about In slavery what it really was was taking a self-esteem You know, I mean like so he was comparison he he said the africans Might got high self-esteem But lack confidence The production didn't happen speaker-2: I see that. speaker-0: But for us, it's like we lack self-esteem, but we got a lot of confidence. You know what saying? So the style of dress, how we talk, everything, like, that's real high. But like self-esteem meaning like, I want for my brother what I want for me. ⁓ get what I'm saying? Like, the fact that I look at everybody and everybody having some type of production in the world. ⁓ and our production is what they film. What's their entertainment? You get what I'm saying? So rap, comedy, all of these things, these are their entertainment. What we producing, right? Not even really producing fully and getting the full ownership results from it, but just producing to be. get what I'm saying? To where it's though like... I feel shameless for not being in the conversation with the hierarchies. What happens in everything that comes into our communities? You feel what I'm saying? ⁓ speaker-2: ⁓ Trying to understand. Elaborate, give me no more. So you said you feel speaker-0: All right, so like back in the day, right, Black Panther started like what they now call WIC. It was mother and children, right? So at a minimum, they was trying to take care of the women and children of our community. So in that vein, they had inventory that was coming in. They was bringing like how free lunches is and all that. Like they was bringing it in. and then distributed amongst our community. So we knew what was going in. You feel me? To be healthy, to do all of these things, right? We don't have control of how that come into our community. what I'm saying? So in the war, we lose it in that manner by itself. then when we think about like, speaker-2: Oui. Yeah. speaker-0: starting a business is kind low. And that's not a shot at nobody. I know the position we in, so we go for what we can and able to do. So hair, food, the law, you know what I mean? Law stuff. You're going to start cooking out the kitchen. You're going to start a daycare. You're going to do these little, you know what I mean? But like, I look at the hospitals and I'm like, damn. These doctors probably run through like a hundred thousand fucking gloves. More gloves. speaker-2: Just plays the clubs, I know you're saying. speaker-0: You want to think about starting something like that and then really like getting into it to where as though you did the research on the best latex, whatever latex was best, whether it should be straight rubber, you get what I'm saying? So that we can start producing things that's going to be beneficial to ourselves. We gotta depend on all the outside stuff. We gotta depend on the market. speaker-2: ⁓ yeah. But what you See, what you're talking about is a part of the long line of us being behind hundreds and hundreds, right? When you think about it, most of the doctors' parents was doctors, right? So that means as they're growing up, their parents is speaking the terminology of a doctor. The language that they hear is medical terms. The advice that they give is this is the best way to pursue being. In order to be a doctor in our hood, something has to happen outside of the box. Somebody lead you on the path of being a doctor. You need somebody somewhere in the medical field to say, no, if you do X, Y, Z, you can be a doctor. It's different. So when you're talking about the type of businesses, you think you're coming with a mind of ⁓ I want to say highly intelligent to even think outside the box. You don't mind me asking, how old are you? speaker-0: 41. speaker-2: You're in your forties, right? And that doesn't mean anything 'cause a lot of people in their forties still won't have to pass anything outside the box like but in the grand scheme of things, we're older. At the age of forty something, we might start looking at life differently, like, damn, we not even controlling and you can s you can now start to see like, yo, doctors using ten thousand gloves. It's always gonna be in use. Why don't we don't own the glove distribution company or something of that nature? ⁓ It is it's really we're behind, man. We're we're like so behind. Think of e even in the food we consume, bro. If if you walk around our neighborhoods, man, when you talk about healthy food, why have if you question why healthy food costs so much at I don't even know the name, Trader Joe's or one of these motherfuckers. But if you look here, we only got stores, and and if you read the bank, it's all made with cancerous poison, and and is and the price is low, so they know who's gonna consume it. People that economic Is there it's it's it it's it's just what it is. We would need somebody in our communities that got the intelligence to say, like, yo, I'm opening this store, man. We're gonna eat this. Don't eat that shit. Like, you need somebody who's trusted, who who got the influence to say, like, yo, we're not eating that shit no more in this hood. And I ain't selling here in this corner no more. But we don't have that as a community, like you said. We just is I I'm not blaming it, I just think we're gonna have to take. community and begin to put people in place. Every black neighborhood should have a hospital, a gas station, man, a supermarket and a drugstore, right? Owned by blacks. And I hate to be on some just old black stuff. speaker-1: Yeah, that's basic economics, bro. Like speaker-2: Bro, it's the things it's the things that we need. We could survive in our own community if we had those things. You know what I'm saying? But I don't even know too many black people who own a supermarket. I think there's one down North Philly, 22nd Alih in this area. It might be a couple more. We're just behind. And I I just complain about it. I just will hope that if anybody hears us that have the ability or knowledge to do so to say, you know what, man, I'm gonna open a gas station in my own neighborhood to make sure that I'm adding this necessity to my neighborhood that puts money back into our community that donate to our pop water football teams. I can't get a I can't get a donation for the pop water football teams from the 90% of the stores that's in our neighborhood because they don't have that community connect. despite the fact we're paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, you know what I mean, if not millions. We we work to do we talk about building a community. speaker-0: that's the control you know I mean that's the control that we have and we just gotta realize it right like if I stop spending money eventually like you gonna do what it is that we need you to do or you just gonna go out of business period you feel what I'm saying right now is a rally to get a lot of the black athletes to not go to the main state schools and start going to the HBC. You know what saying? So you got the type of people that's knowledgeable or what have you. It's just not in our communities that we would say, right? Like, because I was a part of a nonprofit, right? Yeah, we did stuff for the community, I would never see people like me in that joint. You feel me? That was from Uber Street. That was from the dub block. You know what saying? That was like really neat and to hear it. So it's like we was having all of these meetings and stuff like that. And I'm like. I'm like, this is good and all of that, but we don't got the people that we need to change in this joint. You feel what I'm saying? So how do we try and change something? We look like how the government treat us. ⁓ can program for us without us being in the fucking room. I'm like, yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah. ⁓ speaker-2: No just. speaker-0: help people but you don't got the people in the room like what we doing here and so when the guy was talking about the self-esteem thing He was saying Africans got the self-esteem because when they grew up they still had Black schools, Black hospitals. When they went to the hospitals, it was Black nurses, was Black nurses, it was Black nurses. They were seeing their color. Keep you with that self-esteem of our people. Great. You might not be as confident in the rest of the world because y'all get, you get, you get, you know what saying? Aesthetized or what have you. the fact that you can be around your own people and it's solid, speaker-2: Like speaker-0: I'm talking about like I'm doing business every time like you feel what I'm saying? And for me, like, you know, we had that in a lot of places like Josh said, you know, we had them places that's underwater now that they bury you feel me toss it that they burnt down and. But. speaker-1: Black Wall Street. Ooh. You feel me? He dropped a bomb on West like in in the sixties. Like, come on, bro, that was last week for real, for real. That wasn't even a long ass time ago. Like, so it's like that type of trauma, bro, that that kinda had you scared to be like, All right, let's let's see how we could do it under the radar. But it's to the point, like, we got enough power, we got enough resources, bro. 'Cause like if we can go on vacations, we can buy all this fancy shit, we can grab all this work, buy all these guns and all that shit, bro, we can put together a fun. But it's like the hardest part is like getting everybody on the same accord or getting enough people on that same accord, bro. Cause like if it don't look thorough to ⁓ they ain't trying to do it. speaker-2: know, at the bare minimum, if you ain't have a dollar, you could have advice that could be fucking powerful. So I always tell this story, right? My best friend family, long, you know, his family came from people who graduated from Howard. That was their tradition. We all went to Howard as uncles and aunts and everybody. So they instilled education. So the path for him next was the it was almost like expected. Yo, you graduate central high school, you won't go to Howard, you're gonna be what you want to be. Bro, it wasn't until like my junior year, I'm sitting on Jerome Street and his aunt like, so what college you going to? Bro, up until that question, I didn't even think about that shit, bro. Like, I mean, it wasn't even like not saying it w I didn't know what colleges was or whatever. It just was never a thought, like, damn, maybe I should go to college, or maybe I'm supposed to go to college. And and I say all that to say sometimes just enlightening somebody, man, or giving them the information or or the or the Or or the game as some people might call it, man. You could you could change the whole trajectory of a person like that. I would have been on Jerome Street probably, I don't know, I've been working at Walmart, and nothing wrong with that, but I just wouldn't have gone and got no bachelor's and masters and doing my own thing. It is is is crazy. It really was one sentence that changed the trajectory of ⁓ how I was gonna pursue my future. And I think we're not doing that enough outside of money and build businesses and build communities. We're not even giving the proper words to the gumbo's on the block except go stay up the streets. That's not enough. We got sex stay out of the streets and listen, you might can try this angle to get you somewhere else, or this how you get out the streets, or you know what I'm saying? Yo, young woman you a job at the rec center, man, and let you see your first check and you realize damn it's more than me getting twenty five dollars off a hundred pack. Yeah, because it's the little things, man, but I don't know how we get enough of us. speaker-0: a little bit deeper like like deep light in the conscious, like, you know what mean? The subconscious, you know what saying? Because like, you got to think about the camaraderie, man. Like, remember I was just talking about the self-esteem thing, right? So where do you get that in our community? Where we can just be black on black, at least buy something black from each other, right? That's drugs. That's weed. You know what I'm saying? Like, we keeping it decent, right? Like, the owner of this product is a black that I'm buying this from. Maybe. You know what I'm saying? Like, and when you just was saying that, I'm like, damn, that struck a nerve because I'm like, I can see that, man. Like, because when you try to tell us about like other stuff to do, you start thinking about who's there. speaker-2: Right. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: That's a culture that I ain't even with like you feel me so to like the be IT tech Where you gonna be amongst Chinese agents whites? Be around them speaker-2: Mm-hmm. Your school got a wraggly ass computer lab down in North Philly. How much you really learn about computer team? It's sad, but it's it's it's the facts. You almost you almost got pounding by you get into them other rooms, but you gotta have you gotta have somebody take you from where you at. I remember back in the day we took took yellow school buses out of the northeast. So all the schools I went to was the northeast until high school when I made my own decision to go to Dobbins. But up until then, man. My mom whole flow was busting him out. That's the only way you're gonna get a better education. You gotta go sit in the classroom with them. And I hate that because I don't agree with that. I feel like right now you're absolutely right. We don't have too many black techs. We don't have too many blacks in certain professions. So we will never get there. So as of right now, we gotta get there. But I do feel like the one speaker-0: even though they wanna get there. Now, if it's a bunch of blacks, they don't think they'll wanna get there. But the fact that they know that it ain't gonna be their peers there when they get there, that's what we do. It's like, you know how it is, bro. You will get bust out and you'll be the only nigga out there. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Who the fuck wanna do that? Now there's a whole different joint, at least with our peoples we knew how to maneuver and survive amongst each other. You feel me? I learned how to bust, how to get over being ashamed and getting teased. You feel me? Like to go out there and it's a racism. That shit become different like, speaker-2: Good. In order for us to su survive, we gotta learn how to move in a room full of vultures, man, and both sides. So speaker-1: Shit bro, that shit don't bother me at all, bro. I be doing them bids and and doing them walkthroughs and networking events, bro. It'd be me and my wife, bro. We the youngest, we the only blacks. Or it might be some older black people or something like but it'd be majority everything else. You feel me? And I'm cool with that 'cause I'm always gonna find a way to steal a show. ⁓ And then show you how it's supposed to be done and show you that like speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-1: What you heard on the news and what you like what they keep feeding you is incorrect, right? speaker-2: True, not all but not all the way true. But like I said, undergrad, I went to Del State's a black school, so I was most comfortable. My people's black teachers, people you know, like that's not already having a pre-stereotype about you. When you walk into a black classroom with a black teacher, he don't know if you're a genius or not. You know what I'm saying? When you walk into I went to IUP afterwards, right? Grad school and grad school and some of them classes out like as you said, I was the only black kid sitting there, you know what I'm saying? But when you walk into there, they not But automatically assuming you know genius either. 'Cause they don't have that perception of little black kids. They probably felt like I was on some NAACP slash. ⁓ speaker-0: You don't know what actually did you know where the weed was that you know what we did. speaker-1: Like even if I know I ain't telling you a punk ass ⁓ speaker-0: I'm so bad. speaker-2: Benefit, bro. The the real world when we talk about it, you know what I mean? School should be a microcosm of that, man. You're gonna have whites, Asians, whatever, whatever. At some point in time, you gotta go get ready, face that racism because you gotta know how to deal with it. You gotta know how to avoid it. You gotta know how to, you know what I mean, persevere through some some setbacks from it. It's just what we're not doing is guiding our youth or guiding our other people to prepare them. Like, yo, when you get out here. This is what's gonna happen. You need to get ready to keep your mind on straight. Don't get upset at the Lord temperature when you get looked at funny. You know you're there for a purpose. You there because you gotta learn something to bring it back to this community. And I don't we I don't ⁓ even me being a mentor of the kids, bro. I did it for so long. I took so many hours away from my own child that you get to a point after 16, 17 years of being, you like, yo, I need to pour into my own home even more. speaker-1: Very good. speaker-2: So you looking for the next wave of kids that you try help, you're like, yo, it's your turn to come back and keep it going, but we don't got enough. speaker-0: Yeah. So individually, like, from what you're doing in the community and from the sports to the podcast to everything, do you think like we got a responsibility or a debt to our communities? you know what I'm saying? To do more, to show more. speaker-1: sí speaker-2: 100% do. But as I told you, it was it wasn't it the doctrine to the people in the community that saved my life. You know what I'm saying? It really was the guy saying, like, no, bro, you can play ball, you nice, man. Get the fuck off this corner. You a young boy, you ten. You just standing around because they got them drawers and this pretty girls around and they got nice cars and you you the young boy on the block. But for somebody to say, like, no man, keep working on your game, get out of here. Sometimes that that is enough. I owe those dudes a lot. But and I tell them sometime on Instagram, I, you know, they old, they ain't in the mix of the morning. I just love, yo, you saved my life. You put me on hip hop. You did X, Y, Z for me. And ⁓ so not only do I owe them, I might can't pay them back. I'm sure I gotta get that to somebody else that's coming after me. You know what I mean? Because they didn't have to do that for me. They could have gave me a pack. speaker-0: All right. speaker-2: So yeah, I I I think we're we owe it, how much do we owe? So I'm like, yo, if you say one bro, you did more than enough. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: In opinion. Some people don't some people some of us don't save nothing. But like you said, they destroy hundreds. So the one you saved might be the one who got the the knowledge, man. He might have a cure for cancer. He might have a whole plan to get us out of this fucking speaker-1: One of them young boys could be Malcolm, you feel me? Like he could be Mr X, you feel me, and then bring the whole hood into the you feel me, but if we not giving that and we not putting that out there, like they probably wouldn't even think that it's possible, bro. So we definitely do we definitely do owe our community that, like at least, 'cause that's the least we can do. Like if we got the knowledge, bro, you already know. You can't have the knowledge and just contain it for yourself. Yeah, yeah. You feel me? That that's bullshit, bro. Like you get the knowledge to pass it on. You get the wisdom to pass it on. Not to just contain it yourself. speaker-2: Yeah. Yeah, and don't I don't care what God you serve, I think that's what your God would want you to do. I mean Jesus, Allah, Buddha, whoever I don't know no God who will want to think that I make the world but speaker-0: Jesus. speaker-2: That's you know man, that's why I get real religious battles. Some things is just what it is. You know every religion. It's just what it is. I did ⁓ see some young boys talk about Nick Ken and Amber Rose, right? I don't know if y'all even peep this. And ⁓ I threw it up the other day. I think if I find out I'm gonna send it to you, it's like four young boys sitting on the couch. They talk a little hood, but they talk educated. So you can see it was brilliant. And they just talked about the transition from Republican. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: To the Democratic Party over time. And man, they were so intelligent, bro. I followed all on the follow the page. And I'm like, damn. It made me proud to see young boys speaking You know what I mean? It made me proud to see young boys educated. And I'm like, all right, if not us at this point, we need to be connecting with them young boys that's in college or that's doing a thing out here, who's starting plumbing companies or cleaning companies or whatever. Cause I think that gets overlooked. It ain't always about having degrees. This is a young one right now who's doing carpentry that that got imposed. He need to be pulling somebody from his neighborhood in, even if it seemed like they're not ready yet, and start teaching them in God. The way we're gonna grow. speaker-0: I know you gotta check out soon and shit with her. Your jaw cut out, would you say? speaker-2: Can you hear me? speaker-1: Yeah, merely. speaker-2: About to say, man, I don't never want to leave great conversations like this, man. Then me, you and us three, we need to start figuring out how to put young boys on to to this video editing and media, whatever we doing, so they can have a voice. They might learn it and that and everything else. They might take our thing to the next level. But man, we help a young crew of kids start their own, man. Not that they can't figure it out, but we've been doing it for a while, both of us. So I'm sure it's some bumps and bruises we can avoid ⁓ from hitting on the way up. You know what I mean? And that's the smallest scale of what we're doing. We can do so much more. speaker-1: Rap dog, my man Buck told me how to work Photoshop. You feel me? I didn't know what the fuck I was doing on that joint. Once he told me that joint I hit the ground running. I start editing everything. You feel me? I said, yo, that's crazy you got all right, but speaker-2: Yep. Like so. speaker-1: Definitely true, bro. And you know you got you damn near gotta go to school to learn how that shit work. Like we told me the main law functions, bro, then that was just enough for for me to hit the ground running, bro. So that's definitely true, bro. We definitely gotta figure out a way just to you know, just to sprinkle that shit in. Like to the to the young boys who do got that influence or who the streets is looking at is the the next step and all of that, 'cause that's that's a good plan, bro. Instead of just trying to Talk to somebody who ain't trying to hair us 'cause we older. You know, it's this old thing now going on. You feel me? Like, I even get it now. I'm thirty five. Like niggas calling me OG. I'm like, come on, bro. But at the same time it's like, all right, well listen to this youngin'. You feel me? I I don't I ain't taking it no type of way, bro. I'm happy I got to make it here, bro. speaker-2: Sometimes they old heads be twenty-six, so that's the problem. speaker-0: That's why I'm saying like a little redirecting, correcting, you know what I'm saying? But I think like because of the mind your business coaching all these things, like we just, we be minding our business, you feel what I'm saying? And not wanting to get inclusive in none of our lives. You get what I'm saying? So for me, I'm like, damn, we gotta have responsibility and being like. I know the killers. I know the shooter. You feel me? Like I got like you got to take that risk. You know what mean? The same way we asked them to take a risk of not doing that. We got to take that risk too. And you know what saying? Like cross that line. You feel what I'm saying? Cause the one thing we talked about that I agree with everybody, right? As soon as you get to talking to somebody, say a group of kids, they laughing about something and then you like. Nah, youngin, that ain't funny. Let me tell you why it's not funny. ⁓ And then they all stop like, you might still have a little snickering and then joking and shit, but then you, like you said, you'll have a real one be like, no, bro, like, ⁓ we're talking some shit right now. like, chill. I mean like what he's saying is true you get me and once you get that type of connection you got something there you get what I'm saying because then you can verify like that it is people within that group that weren't changing if they didn't lead in people with a group that group is going to do whatever they tell them to do you get what I'm saying so I see the vine Dutch coming back and all of these different things you get what I'm saying so it's like once people start gravitating towards It's no denying you can't be nine motherfuckers and we on positive and you're gonna keep trying to be ten and be negative it ain't gonna work like you're gonna get swallowed up and that's the same thing vice versa I'm in the streets and then we all say right You won't be the turn. I mean, you know, I mean you can try betraying get out the car but A mental game will eat you up speaker-2: I first speaker-1: Mm. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Tell me that you versus you will eat you up like, ⁓ I'ma separate, I'ma go get a job and then, day you come home and all nine of your niggas still on the block. You like, to keep going through after a while you might quit like a motherf- speaker-2: Yeah, well Trey had a dad. He had a he had that word. We gotta try to get them bars to him. But like I said, if we know some young boys that's that's on that verse that that ain't too bashful to talk, even if we get them in the room and they don't talk, let's go ahead and put an episode together and let's let them speak. We just ask the questions. And I mean I I I don't wanna do it from a judgmental standpoint. We wanna hear ⁓ out because we're gonna learn something from ⁓ too. Why they even thinking away because they may say the same stuff like, man, nobody ever showed me how to do X, Y. And we we could we can make something dope, man, and hopefully it'll make a change, even if we only help those couple kids we bring to the studio. Yeah, like that's speaker-0: Right. And I know I ain't gonna cut you up, but it's like, I got a deep feeling that a lot of people want that, bro. A lot of people is waiting for us to come get them and be like, let's go. Let's go. And give them that direction. Like, you know what saying? Cause I'm telling you, man, it's a lot of kids eager to like not be following. Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, we're speaker-0: Yeah, straight like that. Let's get on it. This was a good join. You know what saying? I appreciate you slice. speaker-1: Yeah, we're right, bro. speaker-2: Yeah. We're gonna make it happen, man. But listen, I don't I don't just talk about it. I already told you what month this May, this is supposed to be June. By the top of July, y'all, let's happen. speaker-0: We're going to things by then, yeah, especially with the community centers and all that. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, you wanna make some shape. speaker-2: We're gonna make it happen. All right. speaker-1: Appreciate you dog. Why you too, my J. speaker-2: And y'all gotta come have some comedy hour with us, man. Come on a Monday night, come mess. speaker-1: You come on, bro. You know we gon' come to bed. You already know. ⁓ speaker-2: Yeah my phone. speaker-0: you ⁓