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Messi Stops Time, Is $100M Not Enough? | Bomani Jones & Domonique Foxworth · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is
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Speaker 1: Foxworth on a Thursday. Dominique Foxworth, what's going on?
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Speaker 2: What's up, man? When you said hater, it feels like
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Speaker 2: now you've made it so that that word is synonymous
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Speaker 2: with Joel. And it's pretty funny because I never heard
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Speaker 2: it before. But that time you said you a hater,
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Speaker 2: then I heard you a Joel. I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: my man.
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Speaker 1: Joel Anderson, four-star general. In fact, that's what he is now.
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Speaker 1: He the four-star general on this show. And every time
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Speaker 1: he come on, he wind up hating on something and
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Speaker 1: just completely oblivious to the fact that it's transpiring.
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Speaker 2: He do, though. He's a great guy, though. I love Joe, man.
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Speaker 2: Has he stopped fighting it? I feel like he used
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Speaker 2: to fight and say he's not a hater. Did he
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Speaker 2: just lean in like, yeah? No, no, no.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's, I don't think he, if he did,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't know that's what he's doing.
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Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying? I think he may be
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Speaker 1: defiantly doing the thing without realizing that the thing is
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Speaker 1: exactly what we say. that the thing is, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean? But we got a lot to get to.
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Speaker 1: I want to start though, Wednesday, you watched the soccer
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Speaker 1: bowl on Wednesday, Argentina versus England?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, the whole semifinals, the Copa de Colonialism,
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Speaker 1: or simply Copa de Racism, We had the French, the Spanish,
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Speaker 1: the English. They done colonized the whole world. And then Argentina,
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Speaker 1: which is just like its own little special.
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Speaker 2: We was excited this year because it felt like there
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Speaker 2: was a bunch of African teams doing well. Or I
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Speaker 2: was excited. And then all of a sudden, it felt
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Speaker 2: like the first round. Maybe it was the new first
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Speaker 2: round and the old first round after that. All our
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Speaker 2: African teams was out. We were just back to what
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Speaker 2: we normally got, and it was disappointing.
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Speaker 1: Nah, man, it went like the NCAA tournament, though. Like,
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Speaker 1: you get your little heat in the Sweet 16, and
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Speaker 1: they get Cinderella to take her ass right back to
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Speaker 1: the house. Look, man, the fact that Kay Verde had
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Speaker 1: that chance against Argentina, that would have been the biggest upset, like,
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Speaker 1: in the history. That was like when Princeton played Georgetown,
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Speaker 1: except inverted in so many different ways. But for those
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Speaker 1: who don't know, I want to say in like 1988
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Speaker 1: or somewhere in there, Georgetown was the number one seed
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Speaker 1: and Princeton was the 16th. And Princeton took it all
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Speaker 1: the way to the end. But Argentina team look a
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Speaker 1: lot more like Princeton team than Georgetown's team.
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Speaker 2: They do. They're pulling out all these games at the end.
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Speaker 2: But right, yeah, that Cape Verde game, it was an
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Speaker 2: incredible game they played. And Argentina hasn't looked great except
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Speaker 2: for like the final parts of all these games. And
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Speaker 2: then you're like, oh, shit. And it's just watching, like,
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Speaker 2: of course, I'm not like a super soccer guy, but
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Speaker 2: there's some things that are helpful about having Messi out there.
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Speaker 2: You just focus on him and you can understand a
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Speaker 2: bunch of the things that are happening and watch how
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Speaker 2: the gravity of the defense just leans to him and
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Speaker 2: his accuracy is just impressive. Like, you can't help but
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Speaker 2: appreciate it. But still, I was disappointed. I was born
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Speaker 2: in England, which I don't really claim them in any way,
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Speaker 2: but I still was like, yeah, and my oldest daughter,
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Speaker 2: decided that Jude Bellingham was her homie.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, her homie, that's right. You got one of they passports?
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Speaker 2: Nah, nah, nah, nah. I was born on a military base.
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Speaker 1: Oh, so you can't do that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. It's American turf, so it'd be nice, though.
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Speaker 1: It'd be nice to have one. Look, man, this day
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Speaker 1: and age, you need as many. It's kind of like
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Speaker 1: just in case they don't take Amex. You know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying? You always got to have that visa.
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Speaker 2: It might backfire, though, because my brother down in Houston,
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Speaker 2: he said that they that he had to carry his
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Speaker 2: passport around with him because they were running up on people.
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Speaker 2: Ice running up on people. There's no accent.
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Speaker 1: What's your brother look like?
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Speaker 2: He's an American black, which I guess also could look
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Speaker 2: like not an American white. That's what he looks like.
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Speaker 2: He looks like me.
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Speaker 1: I guess Houston do got the Nigerians. Here's the thing
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Speaker 1: about Messi. You mentioned that. I am like you. Like,
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Speaker 1: I can relate soccer to other things, but I'm not, like,
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Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan. I enjoy it when I
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Speaker 1: watch it in the World Cup, which honestly then makes
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Speaker 1: it a letdown when I try to watch it in
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Speaker 1: other stuff, right? Because I'm just watching it at the
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Speaker 1: highest stakes possible. But when Messi get the ball, what
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Speaker 1: I am fascinated by is it just feels like everything stops. Like,
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Speaker 1: once he's got it, you can kick him the ball,
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Speaker 1: and he can stop and just put his foot on
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Speaker 1: that bitch. And then everybody's like, uh-oh. what's about to
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Speaker 1: happen now? That's like, I noticed when the ill dudes
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Speaker 1: have the ball, everything stops. Like in the final round,
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Speaker 1: France-Argentina in 2022 when Mbappe had the hat trick in
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Speaker 1: eight minutes. Yeah, it was like, oh, so that's what
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Speaker 1: it looks like when the illest dudes out there like,
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Speaker 1: you watch this whole match and the ball just going
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Speaker 1: back and forth and pinballing and going all these places.
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Speaker 1: But yet and still, like we've seen this with Argentina
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Speaker 1: in multiple matches where it's just like, okay, but when
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Speaker 1: it's time to go, it's amazing that even in this
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Speaker 1: game where scoring is so difficult, them cats can just
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Speaker 1: be like, all right, let's go.
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Speaker 2: And in the last game, we just watched the thing
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Speaker 2: that I noticed in watching Messi is how he and
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Speaker 2: maybe it's also coach influence, but how he is looking
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Speaker 2: for where there is a weak spot. And we. He
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Speaker 2: discovered it at the end of the game. If you notice,
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Speaker 2: both of those goals came with him off that right
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Speaker 2: wing where he was attacking that particular spot. He wasn't
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Speaker 2: doing that for most of the game. Like, he was
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Speaker 2: in the middle getting the ball in there and still
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Speaker 2: creating a little bit of chaos because everybody freaks out
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Speaker 2: when he gets the ball and you can't take it
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Speaker 2: off his foot. But eventually, he just, like, worked his
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Speaker 2: way to that right wing and kept working his way
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Speaker 2: over there. And now he was just punishing him, getting
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Speaker 2: double and triple teams, just punishing him over there.
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Speaker 1: Other thing, too, man, I think– Soccer has an interesting
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Speaker 1: characteristic that I just don't think we think that much about,
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Speaker 1: but soccer don't got no shot clock, right? Like in basketball,
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Speaker 1: there was a need for a shot clock. We've discussed
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Speaker 1: this many times, but it doesn't, you know, soccer doesn't
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Speaker 1: have a shot clock. So that allows teams to make
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Speaker 1: bad decisions, right? So bad teams, just like you would
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Speaker 1: when you didn't have a shot clock back in the day,
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Speaker 1: they basically run a form of four corners, right? The difference, though,
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Speaker 1: in soccer is that when you run four corners, you
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Speaker 1: run four corners with your defense as opposed to running
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Speaker 1: four corners with your offense. In basketball, we just pass
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Speaker 1: the ball around and nobody gets it. And we've seen
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Speaker 1: teams lose championship games off of that. The 1983 Houston,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina State, the Jim Valvano game at the end
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Speaker 1: of that. Houston went to four corners. They tried to
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Speaker 1: stall it out to hurry up and get to the
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Speaker 1: end of the game. And then it ultimately cost them.
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Speaker 1: That is what happened in this game against England. And buddy,
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Speaker 1: they are hot. over there in England. There is very
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Speaker 1: little funnier than listening to somebody be furious in a
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Speaker 1: British accent, and I done seen some of they TV
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Speaker 1: and radio people, how mad they were about this, and buddy,
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Speaker 1: they are hot, because they have not even been to
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Speaker 1: the World Cup Final since 1966, and they started this
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Speaker 1: gangster shit. Like, this is their game, and they just
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Speaker 1: can't get there. They've only had one Wimbledon champion in
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Speaker 1: the last hundred-whatever years. They let their corners get– that's
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Speaker 1: what they get for all that colonializing. They spread all
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Speaker 1: this shit all over the whole world, and now they
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Speaker 1: ain't the best at nothing. And they might have could
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Speaker 1: have had it. It was their chance. But no.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the fact of the matter is their team
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Speaker 2: is always really talented. They always got a chance. This
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Speaker 2: year they looked really good. They weren't playing that four-corner style, but, like,
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Speaker 2: they just got– they got scared and started putting in
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Speaker 2: defender after defender at like the 60 minute mark. It
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Speaker 2: was like, we just give up. And that's the thing
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Speaker 2: you made a good point that the stall out in,
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Speaker 2: in soccer is on defense, which like reminds you of
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Speaker 2: football where it's like prevent defense and it never really works.
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Speaker 2: You started too early. And in this, what ends up
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Speaker 2: happening is you just, your goalie gets pelted, man. He
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Speaker 2: just gets peppered. And like, Pickford was good, but you
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Speaker 2: just can't stop them all. If you're just going to
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Speaker 2: keep letting these world-class players shoot at your goal, like,
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Speaker 2: it's going to happen. You're in a much better position.
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Speaker 1: Shout out to you for knowing these boy names, too.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I ain't know... I mean, I watch enough games.
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Speaker 2: A couple of them stick in there. You know, like,
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Speaker 2: I know Bellingham and Kane and Pickford.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know Harry Kane, but you can call him
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Speaker 1: Slayer Kane. I know about him.
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Speaker 2: I know a few of them, but yeah, they stand
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Speaker 2: out because we've been watching them for a little while,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, that... And Pickford's name sticks in my mind
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Speaker 2: because he was balling early. And it's like, yeah, you
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Speaker 2: could ask him to make a couple great saves, but
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Speaker 2: you're just going to keep letting these players shoot at him.
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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. They're definitely going to lose that game. It
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Speaker 2: felt like the momentum shifted and then they couldn't shift
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Speaker 2: back into it, which like you can, all that stuff
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Speaker 2: is understandable. You don't have to be an expert in
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Speaker 2: soccer to like feel the different things that happen in
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Speaker 2: the game and know that it's really tough to go from,
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Speaker 2: all right, hold on. Let's hold on to like, all right,
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Speaker 2: we got to go get one.
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Speaker 1: So yeah.
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Speaker 2: The disappointing find or send me to me.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's especially disappointing because like, you know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 2: Yep. Yep.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Argentina, they the one team that's not like
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Speaker 1: the other. Literally, the only team in the whole wide
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Speaker 1: world that ain't got no black people. Maybe not the
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Speaker 1: whole wide world, but the tournament, as I recall. And it's...
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Speaker 1: Or is it just the final? Or just the knockout round?
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Speaker 1: I feel like.
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Speaker 2: Couldn't the whole world. It feels very deliberate, too.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, because it's Argentina.
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Speaker 2: Right. I know. But I've said that's the part that's
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Speaker 2: bothersome is like giving your not only like deliberate from
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Speaker 2: a historical standpoint. I guess deliberate is the wrong word.
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Speaker 2: They are not ashamed of the sense of pride. that
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Speaker 2: it's clear that they draw from it. And that's the
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Speaker 2: part where it's like, I've heard people argue, like, how
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Speaker 2: could you root against Argentina as if England or France
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Speaker 2: or America, as if they don't have, like, a horrible
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Speaker 2: racist past. It's like, to me, it's the effort to
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Speaker 2: at least pretend like you don't hate us.
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Speaker 1: It's different.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's... it's the Nazi thing, man.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like it's the, your whole continent got some black people.
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Speaker 1: Y'all ain't got it. Look, I'll tell you, I was
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Speaker 1: down there and I admit I was bracing for it
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Speaker 1: and they didn't, they didn't hit me with it. Like
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Speaker 1: I thought they was going to hit me with it.
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Speaker 1: I had one cab driver. He was Venezuelan. Uh, that's
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Speaker 1: the only brother I saw though, man. Like we not,
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Speaker 1: we're not there at all. It is bananas that it
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Speaker 1: worked out that way. And then you wind up with
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Speaker 1: that thing with Paraguay. which honestly ain't kicking it that
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Speaker 1: much different. And you saw the way that lady was
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Speaker 1: going off.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And there was that, the lady yelling at, uh,
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Speaker 2: I show speed. And then you had apparently Atlanta cops
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Speaker 2: got some words yelled at him.
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Speaker 1: And like, I was wondering about how much they must've
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Speaker 1: been hating Atlanta.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I was thinking that, too. Like, this
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Speaker 2: ain't the spot.
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Speaker 1: Yo, yo, like, somebody need to show them how to
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Speaker 1: get to Forsyth or one of them neighboring counties. On
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Speaker 1: one hand, I was like, I can't imagine how much
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Speaker 1: they hate Atlanta. On the other hand, one of them
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Speaker 1: pulled up to Magic by accident. And I want to
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Speaker 1: know how that went.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't an accident.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. There's all of them that didn't
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Speaker 1: like it, but there's somebody down there, you know, me
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Speaker 1: gusta el azucre marron.
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Speaker 2: My spanish is terrible but i i put i know
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Speaker 2: my own yeah.
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Speaker 1: I know that you know yeah.
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Speaker 2: I do i don't so yeah i mean i think
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Speaker 2: the point that i was trying to make is like
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Speaker 2: i'm not surprised like i get the history and i
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Speaker 2: get that people have all these biases but You got
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Speaker 2: enough respect and decency to be ashamed of it.
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: You got a little bit.
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Speaker 1: A little bit.
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Speaker 2: Enough to be ashamed. It don't feel as though. I
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Speaker 2: can't speak for them. It don't feel as though that
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Speaker 2: they are ashamed of it. It's like, we are proud.
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Speaker 2: We would never.
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Speaker 1: We did it. We did that.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: We pulled it off.
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Speaker 2: And we at least, at one point, maybe not as
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Speaker 2: much anymore, would look back and, I mean, we as
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Speaker 2: a nation, would look back and say- That shit we
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Speaker 2: did was fucked up. I don't get the sense.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: I don't get the sense.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, you also raised something, a question that
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Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about, which is, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: I understand how it is that white people decide who
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Speaker 1: they go root for in the World Cup. Because I
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Speaker 1: know how black people decide who we go root for
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Speaker 1: in the World Cup, and it is strictly geopolitical history.
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Speaker 1: With a little dollop of, they got some of my
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Speaker 1: favorite players, right? Like, I told you, I was in
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Speaker 1: Barcelona in 2024 during Euros. and France and Spain were
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Speaker 1: in the semifinal, and I was trying to find a
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Speaker 1: place to watch the game, but I was a little
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Speaker 1: bit afraid of going and watching it, rooting for where
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Speaker 1: the local team was, because France looked like France, you
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Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying? And I knew just enough Spanish
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Speaker 1: to get offended, so that's when I got on the train,
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Speaker 1: I think I told you about this, and I saw
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Speaker 1: two dudes in French shirts, and I figured they knew
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Speaker 1: where the game was, and I could have asked them
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Speaker 1: where they were going to watch and do that, But instead,
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Speaker 1: I followed them. I stayed about half a train car away.
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Speaker 1: And then when they got out, I got out like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.
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Speaker 1: And I stayed about maybe half a block or a
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Speaker 1: block behind them. And I just kept walking. And I
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Speaker 1: saw where they went. And then rather than go immediately
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Speaker 1: behind them, I kept on walking. Because at one point,
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Speaker 1: they turned around. And I was like, I think they're
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Speaker 1: on to me. But I just, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Right?
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Speaker 1: So I got in. It was a French watch party.
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Speaker 1: And I had to leave at halftime. That's a long
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Speaker 1: discussion for another day. But they were so hype. And
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Speaker 1: then they started getting their asses kicked. And we all did.
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Speaker 1: It was just like, oh, damn. Well, the difference between
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Speaker 1: that game and the one that France played on Tuesday
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Speaker 1: was that in that game, France scored first. And it
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Speaker 1: looked like it was about to be a thing. And
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Speaker 1: then they never got it back. And then in this one, France, like,
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Speaker 1: never had a chance. But I say all that to say,
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Speaker 1: I know why I'm rooting. France is a difficult root, right? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it is. Like, it's a tough one, but they've done
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Speaker 1: things that allow me to decide to root for them.
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Speaker 2: They seem as though they ashamed of some of that bullshit. Yes. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and I.
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Speaker 1: Not all of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course not. Not all of it. But it's like,
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Speaker 2: when you imagine these two parties up, and it's also
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Speaker 2: like that... The immediate, it's hard. The immediate sight is like,
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Speaker 2: and maybe it's different for other people who aren't black,
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Speaker 2: but like it's viewing the world through like my black prism.
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Speaker 2: I see black people. I'm like, yeah, that's them. And
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Speaker 2: when you watch France, you see a bunch of black people.
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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that's them. It's hard for me
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Speaker 2: to then be like, no, I'm rooting against them because
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Speaker 2: of their history. When I'm looking at all these black
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Speaker 2: people running around on the field, you play Senegal though.
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Speaker 2: I ain't got your back.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. It's the other way.
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Speaker 2: I ain't got your back.
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Speaker 1: No, like watching Argentina play. is like when you get
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Speaker 1: invited to a white person's wedding and it's just you.
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Speaker 1: Or you get invited to a white person's wedding and
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Speaker 1: whoever invited you invited other black people, but the other person,
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Speaker 1: nothing but white people. You don't know a single black
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Speaker 1: person in Argentina is like, no, and if I met one,
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Speaker 1: we would toss him out.
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Speaker 2: You know what? The Netherlands game, when they lost, I
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Speaker 2: think it was them, they had, it might have been
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Speaker 2: two or three, they lost in penalties. And they had
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Speaker 2: three black players miss, it might have been two anyway.
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Speaker 1: And a dude named Memphis, but go ahead.
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Speaker 2: They missed their penalties. And I assumed that everybody was
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Speaker 2: watching it and experiencing it the same way. Like, man,
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Speaker 2: I don't care if they lose or not, but why
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Speaker 2: it had to be the brothers? And I assume that
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Speaker 2: white people was watching it that way, too, because it's
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Speaker 2: like you recognize that they are isolated in that country
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Speaker 2: and the people are only rooting for them because they
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Speaker 2: have on their jersey. And my guess is when things
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Speaker 2: don't go well, they don't have the they don't just
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Speaker 2: be like, man, that guy should have played better. Yeah, no,
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Speaker 2: I guess the way that they talk about him is
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Speaker 2: a little different.
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Speaker 1: Well, could one perhaps make the argument? That Argentina, what
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Speaker 1: Argentina has in common with the United States is this,
17:34
Speaker 1: because what makes Argentina weird in terms of this demographic
17:37
Speaker 1: discussion that we're having is that Argentina is a former colony.
17:42
Speaker 1: And the colony normally has an indication of some indigenous
17:46
Speaker 1: culture or whatever it is. And no, no, no.
17:49
Speaker 2: That's all gone. Right.
17:51
Speaker 1: Which is interesting because Paraguay got a lot of them Nazis,
17:53
Speaker 1: but Paraguay is very indigenous. Like that woman that was
17:55
Speaker 1: talking crazy, you could see it in her face, right?
17:57
Speaker 1: They got a lot of indigenous cultures very strong there.
18:00
Speaker 1: The only other country that I can think of where
18:03
Speaker 1: the colony was not reflected by the people who are
18:07
Speaker 1: already there in some form or fashion or some downtrodden
18:10
Speaker 1: or whatever is the United States, right? Where the colony
18:13
Speaker 1: becomes the white people. This is the only place. The
18:16
Speaker 1: difference is, and this is where it gets weird and
18:18
Speaker 1: not discuss it, The only reason the United States got
18:21
Speaker 1: them black people they got is because slavery. Now, granted,
18:25
Speaker 1: Argentina used to have blacks that were there. And let's
18:30
Speaker 1: just say they didn't move. They're gone. They are forgotten.
18:36
Speaker 1: They did not just pack their things and decide to
18:39
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. Yes.
18:42
Speaker 2: Right?
18:42
Speaker 1: Like, that's the answer. No, man, fuck Argentina. Can't do it.
18:44
Speaker 1: I don't care how good Messi is. You know what
18:46
Speaker 1: I'm saying? And I assure you, I assure you, Messi
18:50
Speaker 1: is a terrible hang. Five foot seven, man. Five foot seven.
18:56
Speaker 1: I can only imagine. Well, I don't know. Maradona seemed like,
18:59
Speaker 1: you know, he was a decent hang, and he was
19:01
Speaker 1: like 5'5.
19:02
Speaker 2: Yeah. You don't think that you can accomplish your way
19:08
Speaker 2: out of that? How many.
19:12
Speaker 1: I mean, did he accomplish himself into 5'8? Don't think so.
19:16
Speaker 2: I guess not. I mean, because I feel like the
19:18
Speaker 2: insecurity is, like, is born of, like, I can't do
19:22
Speaker 2: something or people don't respect me. It's like, they respect him.
19:26
Speaker 2: And I got to give him this. That shit he
19:29
Speaker 2: did to Cutie Judy, as my daughter would call him.
19:32
Speaker 2: That shit was cold.
19:34
Speaker 1: Yes.
19:34
Speaker 2: That shit was cold. Oh. Okay, that's what we on?
19:39
Speaker 2: That's what we on? You just wait. That shit was cold.
19:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they would messy is not really
19:45
Speaker 1: swaggy which i would be the swaggy yes under those
19:50
Speaker 1: circumstances i am the best in the world at the
19:55
Speaker 1: thing more people in the world care about i'd be
20:00
Speaker 1: out there like you saying.
20:01
Speaker 2: Boat That's what you owe it to yourself and everyone else.
20:06
Speaker 1: And people.
20:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, how dare you do something so incredible and
20:11
Speaker 2: just walk back ho-hum? No. Everybody on this planet wishes
20:16
Speaker 2: they were you in this very moment. Bask, bitch. Revel. Yeah.
20:23
Speaker 2: Revel a little bit. Like, you deserve it, dude. And
20:26
Speaker 2: the thing is... you know it's going to happen. So
20:30
Speaker 2: you got to have something prepared. You don't got nothing special.
20:34
Speaker 2: You don't got a trademark move. I mean, Ronaldo got
20:36
Speaker 2: his little spinning suey. You got to have your trademark.
20:40
Speaker 2: Your trademark is just humbly, meekly walking back. That ain't cold.
20:44
Speaker 2: We can't sell that.
20:46
Speaker 1: This Argentinian thing has been so wild because they've been
20:48
Speaker 1: making these late comebacks that people think that FIFA is
20:50
Speaker 1: rigging this. I just read a book called Red Card,
20:52
Speaker 1: which is the book about FIFA being a... Yep. What
20:56
Speaker 1: do you call it? A crime syndicate, basically? The FIFA
21:02
Speaker 1: is corrupt, and if you just hear people say that, oh, man.
21:06
Speaker 1: Really getting into the nitty-gritty of it, it really is
21:09
Speaker 1: just a RICO-ridden crime syndicate, right? Dude, I was talking
21:17
Speaker 1: to somebody yesterday. Just think about the money around this.
21:20
Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody yesterday. I was looking into
21:23
Speaker 1: a box for the finals. Take a guess.
21:28
Speaker 2: 25. 25 what?
21:32
Speaker 1: 50,000. I'm talking.
21:36
Speaker 2: About for the whole box.
21:38
Speaker 1: 150,000.
21:39
Speaker 2: All right, look, if you're not going to take this
21:43
Speaker 2: game seriously, there's no need for me to continue doing this.
21:48
Speaker 1: Give me one more try. 250.
21:49
Speaker 2: Three. No, no, not 100,000. Stop it. Three. Hey, man,
22:00
Speaker 2: if you don't get the fuck. Three.
22:04
Speaker 1: Comma. Zero, zero, zero. Comma. Zero, zero, zero. Dot. Zero, zero.
22:15
Speaker 1: $ 3 billion. That's the thing. We know they janky. We
22:21
Speaker 1: got all these things that go through this and they like, yo,
22:25
Speaker 1: three mil for the box and somebody's like, give me
22:27
Speaker 1: the routing information.
22:30
Speaker 2: That's exactly right because that's a routing information situation. That
22:36
Speaker 2: is going to require.
22:39
Speaker 2: Some high-tech infrastructure. That's not like, I'm going to put
22:42
Speaker 2: my credit card in. Right, right.
22:44
Speaker 1: Let me write you a personal check.
22:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, I got a card. My card don't have
22:49
Speaker 2: a limit on it. But that's horse shit. Yeah.
22:53
Speaker 1: Listen to this.
22:53
Speaker 2: I can't do that. I can't put that on the card.
22:55
Speaker 1: So, you know, Argentina, England, in Atlanta on Wednesday, and
22:58
Speaker 1: somebody hit me on Tuesday and was like, yo, I
23:01
Speaker 1: got two tickets. Do you know anybody in Atlanta who
23:04
Speaker 1: wants them? Now, what I hear wants them.
23:08
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
23:09
Speaker 1: I thought that bit for the free ski. Right. Of
23:14
Speaker 1: course I know someone who wants them. And then sent
23:20
Speaker 1: some more information and it had some number on there
23:22
Speaker 1: about the price. I was like, okay, so it sounds
23:25
Speaker 1: like you're moving them at a lower price than this,
23:28
Speaker 1: but incorrect, no. $ 32 per. $ 32. $ 32.
23:35
Speaker 2: And you on the sideline, like you out.
23:37
Speaker 1: I think you in the game, like you there.
23:41
Speaker 2: How many minutes do I get to play.
23:44
Speaker 1: If I'm playing 32? But see, the thing is, is like,
23:47
Speaker 1: if that's your squad though. Yeah. You know, especially if
23:51
Speaker 1: you England, this doesn't happen very often. And that's, man,
23:54
Speaker 1: they look so sad in that stadium. Cause there's, I'm
23:57
Speaker 1: trying to think of what the college football parallel is
23:59
Speaker 1: to England. in particular. Because this Final Four, in its way,
24:04
Speaker 1: in its own way, was kind of like.
24:06
Speaker 2: It's got to be Notre Dame, right?
24:07
Speaker 1: Well, I think the difference with Notre Dame is Notre Dame... Well,
24:12
Speaker 1: I guess so. Notre Dame didn't invent college football, but
24:14
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is like the OG power of it, right?
24:17
Speaker 1: It's been a long time since they've had an actual
24:20
Speaker 1: factual chance at getting it.
24:23
Speaker 2: But they're good enough. They're always close to it. They're
24:28
Speaker 2: never out of the discussions. And they have a history
24:30
Speaker 2: that suggests that. I mean, you go back to the
24:32
Speaker 2: Ivy Leagues, they're not good enough anymore, so they don't
24:35
Speaker 2: expect it. Notre Dame is the closest thing I can
24:37
Speaker 2: think of.
24:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. They was in there sad, dog. They was
24:42
Speaker 1: in there sad, and then they was in there mad.
24:45
Speaker 1: They just, you know, they's just furious. Understandably furious.
24:51
Speaker 2: I don't, and I guess I should be enough in
24:55
Speaker 2: understanding of like British accents or English accents in general
24:59
Speaker 2: to tell the difference between, like, class, because I know
25:03
Speaker 2: out here people say that, I can't tell a difference
25:07
Speaker 2: until they get mad. When they get mad, the proper ones,
25:11
Speaker 2: it gets a little, they get a little tighter, and
25:13
Speaker 2: the other ones, it just, I can tell that when
25:17
Speaker 2: they mad in this post-game, this semi, ugh. Mad Brits, boy.
25:22
Speaker 2: Mad Brits is hilarious.
25:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, dawg. What a time. Well, got the final on Sunday.
25:28
Speaker 1: Looking forward to it. Coming up next, I'm going to
25:32
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Speaker 1: We are back with Dominique Fosworth. So something interesting I
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Speaker 1: was thinking about is like. the athlete podcast as an industry, right?
29:44
Speaker 1: Your podcast is interesting because I would say that you
29:47
Speaker 1: are an athlete who hosts a podcast, but it is
29:49
Speaker 1: not an athlete podcast. The athlete podcast is typically marked
29:53
Speaker 1: by these guys talking to their famous people or their
29:57
Speaker 1: athlete friends in some sort. And when they talk with
30:01
Speaker 1: their friends or whatever, and important to note, most of
30:05
Speaker 1: these are not well produced because there just aren't that
30:07
Speaker 1: many good producers in the world to accommodate the boom
30:11
Speaker 1: in all these podcasts. But anyway, cats wind up hanging
30:15
Speaker 1: out with each other and they offer material that is
30:18
Speaker 1: relatable to each other. And people have always thought they
30:22
Speaker 1: liked the idea of hearing these people talk to each other.
30:26
Speaker 1: But the problem is when they're all just talking to
30:28
Speaker 1: each other, it becomes very easy for them to sound
30:31
Speaker 1: out of touch because they are saying things that each
30:34
Speaker 1: other understands, but sounds ridiculous to the rest of y'all.
30:39
Speaker 1: And a topic that has come up a few times,
30:41
Speaker 1: I've seen Joe Hayden got caught in it. I see
30:44
Speaker 1: the aggregators unfairly rounded CJ McCollum into this. I see
30:48
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham got caught. And it is a world of
30:54
Speaker 1: athletes discussing why, for example, $ 100 million really isn't a
31:04
Speaker 1: lot of money.
31:11
Speaker 2: You going to defend my guys? I appreciate it.
31:13
Speaker 1: No, no, no. I'm going to let you go first.
31:15
Speaker 1: Because I was then saying where I'm coming from on this.
31:18
Speaker 1: Because the response is, I'll find a way to... And
31:21
Speaker 1: by the way, they'll break down why it is that
31:23
Speaker 1: $ 100 million, you got to pay taxes to go down
31:26
Speaker 1: to $ 60 million, then you got to pay the age
31:27
Speaker 1: of 4%, and then you got to do da-da-da. But
31:29
Speaker 1: they also have a tendency in that explaining why it's
31:32
Speaker 1: not that much to discuss levels of spending that are
31:36
Speaker 1: wholly unrelatable to people. And that's where people get lost.
31:41
Speaker 1: But Dominic, you go ahead.
31:42
Speaker 2: Yeah. Um... To your point, people appreciate. Charlie would make
31:48
Speaker 2: fun of me right now because I say this about
31:50
Speaker 2: a lot of things. It's like there are tradeoffs in life.
31:54
Speaker 2: Nothing is all good. Nothing is all bad. When you
31:58
Speaker 2: get the insights, the stories that you don't expect, the
32:01
Speaker 2: guys who have the funny rants and like all that
32:03
Speaker 2: stuff from athletes, like, yeah, the tradeoff is sometimes they're
32:08
Speaker 2: going to say some stuff that you don't want to
32:09
Speaker 2: hear and you uncomfortable with. So like take that with
32:12
Speaker 2: a grain of salt. I think the way that they're
32:14
Speaker 2: talking about it and the best way that I can
32:16
Speaker 2: come to defend them is like, there are people in like,
32:21
Speaker 2: generally you live in America. You're like above like the
32:26
Speaker 2: average of the rest of the world. So my argument
32:29
Speaker 2: would be someone would look at you from somewhere else
32:32
Speaker 2: and be like, man, if I made $ 50, 000 a year,
32:36
Speaker 2: I'd be great. I think the distance between them and
32:40
Speaker 2: you is similar. And, The life that they choose to lead, it.
32:47
Speaker 2: The things that they engage in make it a lot more...
32:50
Speaker 2: Make it possible to get into a situation where you're like, man,
32:53
Speaker 2: that really ain't that much. However, you gots to know,
32:58
Speaker 2: because most of them didn't grow up like this. Like,
33:03
Speaker 2: this is an out-of-touch comment I would expect from a
33:06
Speaker 2: child of a billionaire who became... Or a millionaire who
33:09
Speaker 2: became a billionaire. Like, they... you got to know that
33:12
Speaker 2: you ain't never going to get no sympathy like that
33:15
Speaker 2: and can't nobody relate to you. So to your point,
33:17
Speaker 2: if you're talking to your friends, that's fine. That ain't
33:20
Speaker 2: for release. That ain't for public consumption. It just ain't.
33:25
Speaker 1: Okay. So I agree with you there, right? Here's where I,
33:29
Speaker 1: this is what I think I would say speaking generally.
33:34
Speaker 1: No amount of money is as much as it seems
33:39
Speaker 1: like it is when you think about it, right? Like
33:42
Speaker 1: I remember when I was in graduate school, I went
33:45
Speaker 1: to grad school with this dude. He was from New York.
33:50
Speaker 1: And he had worked as like some kind of vice
33:53
Speaker 1: president at a finance company or something like that before
33:55
Speaker 1: he came to do his PhD. Great dude, love him
33:57
Speaker 1: to pieces. And another one of my friends who grew
34:01
Speaker 1: up in New Orleans was talking to him and he
34:03
Speaker 1: said something about, this is, keep in mind, this is 2003.
34:07
Speaker 1: And he said something about like, make $ 85, 000, that's a
34:10
Speaker 1: lot of money. And my guy was like, yeah, if
34:12
Speaker 1: you think that's a lot of money, the New York dude,
34:14
Speaker 1: if you think that's a lot of money. And my
34:17
Speaker 1: man and I were like, wait a minute, what's going
34:19
Speaker 1: on with you? Where you don't think the $ 85, 000 is
34:23
Speaker 1: a lot of money. And I am now here with
34:26
Speaker 1: this Rolex on to tell you the $ 85, 000, I used
34:30
Speaker 1: to think it was a lot of money. It's not
34:32
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Like I use the phrase, it's
34:34
Speaker 1: not a lot of money about certain numbers that throw
34:36
Speaker 1: people off. But it's sometimes with an understanding of the
34:39
Speaker 1: context of like, if you start from zero and somebody
34:41
Speaker 1: hands you $ 500, 000, it's just not as much money as
34:44
Speaker 1: it sounds like it is. Or if somebody says that
34:47
Speaker 1: they down on their luck and somebody gives them $ 100, 000,
34:50
Speaker 1: it's a lot of money, but it's not. It's not
34:51
Speaker 1: going to change your life. It might change your condition
34:53
Speaker 1: in that moment. But there are these graduated levels of
34:57
Speaker 1: what happens with this money and how it sounds. What
35:00
Speaker 1: happens with these dudes is, and what we can't forget,
35:02
Speaker 1: I think I saw my buddy Miles Brown talking about this,
35:05
Speaker 1: These dudes have never had jobs before. So finding out
35:09
Speaker 1: about taxes was mind blowing to them. Like maybe this
35:12
Speaker 1: is going to change with these cats within IEL because
35:14
Speaker 1: now they're going to have some money that they got
35:16
Speaker 1: to pay on or whatever. But I think that for
35:19
Speaker 1: a lot of these dudes, like somebody was like, OK,
35:20
Speaker 1: here's 10 million dollars. And they had always dreamed of
35:24
Speaker 1: all the things they was going to do with 10
35:26
Speaker 1: million dollars. And they try to do all of that.
35:29
Speaker 1: off that first set of checks that they get. Like,
35:32
Speaker 1: I think Joe Hayden said he gave his parents like two,
35:34
Speaker 1: three million dollars. You bought a car, you bought a house,
35:37
Speaker 1: you bought a house for your brother, da-da-da, and everything else.
35:40
Speaker 1: And the adults are like, well, of course, you were
35:43
Speaker 1: being stupid. But these cats are like, no, I dreamed
35:46
Speaker 1: of this day and all the things I was going
35:49
Speaker 1: to do. And in their heads, it was more money
35:52
Speaker 1: than you could ever spend. And then what do you know?
35:55
Speaker 1: They actually figured out that you could, in fact, spend
35:59
Speaker 1: it all right and i and that's what i'm hearing
36:03
Speaker 1: when they talk about that now when you start talking
36:05
Speaker 1: about like 100 million dollars ain't a lot of money
36:08
Speaker 1: hey homie you're wiling right now like the guy that
36:10
Speaker 1: i actually think would have a compelling argument in that
36:13
Speaker 1: discussion is the guy that gets up there and says
36:15
Speaker 1: man they gave me seven million dollars i thought that
36:18
Speaker 1: was going to go a lot farther than it actually
36:20
Speaker 1: did right for sure.
36:22
Speaker 2: Honey ain't nobody trying to hear Yeah, I mean, that's
36:25
Speaker 2: the bottom line. We can try to defend them in
36:29
Speaker 2: every way possible. You got to know your audience. We
36:34
Speaker 2: all had that homeboy where when you would go out
36:36
Speaker 2: and there was girls around would say the wrong thing. Like, yeah,
36:41
Speaker 2: we think it too, but right now ain't the time
36:44
Speaker 2: to say it. Yeah.
36:45
Speaker 1: That's the problem. They with each other is somebody's editing
36:49
Speaker 1: it up. They, they need to be on one of
36:52
Speaker 1: them agencies, them agencies where they, these, a lot of
36:55
Speaker 1: these boys doing these podcasts and doing it on their own.
36:57
Speaker 1: You give them one of them agencies. They be watching
36:59
Speaker 1: every episode. I'm like, man, if you don't take that
37:01
Speaker 1: shit out of there.
37:01
Speaker 2: Man, or, or they like, you know what? That's going
37:05
Speaker 2: to do numbers. As you point out, that's going to
37:07
Speaker 2: do numbers on social. Put that in there.
37:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like, hey, do your people love you?
37:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the question. Yeah, that is the question.
37:15
Speaker 1: Right, do your people actually love you in this moment?
37:20
Speaker 2: I think this is probably a bit of a tired conversation,
37:23
Speaker 2: but it's hard to say no. And 20-something is incredibly young.
37:29
Speaker 2: And I think, to your point, they get a number
37:32
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. And it feels like something... that you now
37:37
Speaker 2: no longer need to care about money. And then everyone
37:40
Speaker 2: is asking you for things and you feel like you
37:43
Speaker 2: can't say no to anybody. And you're paying for all
37:46
Speaker 2: the dinners, you're buying houses, you're buying cars. It goes fast.
37:49
Speaker 2: Saying it's not a lot of money is the wrong
37:51
Speaker 2: way to go about it. It's saying they need to
37:53
Speaker 2: go about it and say, I did not understand how
37:57
Speaker 2: to operate with this amount of money. Because that's actually
38:00
Speaker 2: what they're saying. It's like, I thought that That was unlimited.
38:03
Speaker 2: It ain't unlimited. Yeah, no.
38:04
Speaker 1: It's not all the money in the world.
38:06
Speaker 2: Right, yeah.
38:07
Speaker 1: Because as I say, every step of my journey where
38:10
Speaker 1: I have gotten something that seemed like at a previous
38:14
Speaker 1: point would be all the money in the world, none
38:16
Speaker 1: of it is proving to be as much money as
38:18
Speaker 1: I thought it was.
38:19
Speaker 2: Right. Because they're like, all right, I got 100. After taxes, percentage, whatever,
38:23
Speaker 2: we down to like 60. And what they're actually saying is,
38:26
Speaker 2: I spent 10 in a year.
38:28
Speaker 1: Yep.
38:29
Speaker 2: Like, hold on. that mean I got five more years.
38:33
Speaker 2: That's what they saying. And like, I think most people as,
38:36
Speaker 2: as even though 10 sounds like a lot of money,
38:38
Speaker 2: I think most people could understand how a player who
38:42
Speaker 2: came into this money, who has a bunch of people
38:44
Speaker 2: around him, who's young and trying to have fun, how
38:47
Speaker 2: they could end up spending 10 in a year and
38:49
Speaker 2: then look up and say, damn, I want to keep
38:51
Speaker 2: living like this. Yes. I can't afford to live like this.
38:55
Speaker 2: I think that is what they're saying. And some people.
38:57
Speaker 1: It is not an inexhaustible sum.
38:59
Speaker 2: There you go.
38:59
Speaker 1: I think that's what they're trying to express. I think
39:01
Speaker 1: you just hit on what I think is an important point.
39:03
Speaker 1: It's something that I think that people lose sight of.
39:05
Speaker 1: when they talk about, well, if I had this much money,
39:08
Speaker 1: I would make a stretch. You could make a stretch
39:11
Speaker 1: if you're acting like you don't have as much money
39:14
Speaker 1: as you do, which is not really what... So, like,
39:17
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if I went to the NFL, what's the
39:19
Speaker 1: league minimum now? Is it around a million dollars?
39:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little under a million. Okay.
39:25
Speaker 1: One could argue you got to make this money stretch.
39:28
Speaker 1: And a great way to make that money stretch would
39:31
Speaker 1: be to purchase a responsible car. What are you, high? Yeah.
39:36
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that.
39:37
Speaker 2: No.
39:38
Speaker 1: Right? This is my one chance to have a fly ride.
39:40
Speaker 1: You're like, I might not be in the league forever. Okay, cool.
39:42
Speaker 1: That means this is my one chance to get a ride.
39:44
Speaker 1: You're going to get the ride. Like, maybe you're going
39:46
Speaker 1: to be pulling up in the Honda Civic, right? Maybe
39:48
Speaker 1: you're going to pull up in the car you had
39:49
Speaker 1: in college. You're probably not going to do that. Like,
39:54
Speaker 1: some of the, I would manage my money differently. Yeah,
39:57
Speaker 1: I'm 45. I can tell you all that. I'm here
40:00
Speaker 1: to tell you at 20?
40:02
Speaker 2: Nah, dog.
40:02
Speaker 1: That money was getting blown. And then I would come
40:05
Speaker 1: back later and be like, brother, I'm telling you, That
40:07
Speaker 1: $ 2 million is not that much money.
40:10
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring her back to the hood. That's
40:13
Speaker 2: the apartment I'm getting? Because I want to save some money? Nah,
40:17
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. This goes back to Messi.
40:20
Speaker 2: I am going to revel. Yes, I earned this.
40:24
Speaker 1: Let me celebrate. I was just pissing blood last weekend. These.
40:29
Speaker 2: These concussions, I'm going to have me a good time, man.
40:33
Speaker 2: I am going to revel. And that goes fast, and
40:36
Speaker 2: then you end up 28, 29, out of the league
40:40
Speaker 2: with $ 500, 000 in the bank and no relevant work experience.
40:44
Speaker 2: This shit could be hard for some of them. But
40:46
Speaker 2: the problem is, that ain't the same as I got
40:48
Speaker 2: $ 100 million. No, it's not. It's not.
40:50
Speaker 1: Well, look, the moral of the story is this. Too
40:54
Speaker 1: many microphones. We have far too much access. to hear
41:00
Speaker 1: people talk. We don't need to know what everybody thinks
41:03
Speaker 1: about everything. Because I'm telling you, in that room, not
41:07
Speaker 1: one person was like, hey, man, I don't think we
41:10
Speaker 1: should put this out. The average man will not be
41:12
Speaker 1: able to relate to the discussion that we are having here.
41:15
Speaker 1: And then, boy, let me tell you, man, Don't nobody
41:19
Speaker 1: not want to hear it quite like some broke ass people, boy. Man,
41:23
Speaker 1: no disrespect to y'all broke asses, but y'all ain't trying
41:26
Speaker 1: to hear nothing of the struggle of the people. Nobody
41:30
Speaker 1: wants to hear the struggle of anybody that made more
41:32
Speaker 1: money than them. It's kind of like how people think
41:35
Speaker 1: that anybody who has less sex than them is approved
41:38
Speaker 1: and more sex than them is promiscuous. There's no range
41:42
Speaker 1: of a sweet spot with people. That's not really how
41:44
Speaker 1: it works. Man, people don't want to hear nothing about
41:47
Speaker 1: how somebody that made $ 5 a year more than you
41:51
Speaker 1: say they got a headache. Shit, I bet you got
41:53
Speaker 1: enough money to get some aspirin.
41:59
Speaker 2: That's fair. I can say that some of the stuff
42:02
Speaker 2: does rub me the wrong way too. And I guess
42:04
Speaker 2: they do have more than me, so maybe I fall
42:06
Speaker 2: into that category. But it's not even talking about like,
42:10
Speaker 2: because I think I can hear through that $ 100 million
42:14
Speaker 2: ain't enough money to understand what they're actually saying. That
42:16
Speaker 2: doesn't frustrate me as much. And this is, I'm guilty
42:19
Speaker 2: of this also, and I'm finally starting to come back
42:22
Speaker 2: around and recognize that don't everybody need to be a boss, man? Like,
42:28
Speaker 2: that's the shit that drive me nuts. And it's like,
42:31
Speaker 2: It's something that some players have brought up recently and
42:34
Speaker 2: players have been throughout time. And I think some of
42:37
Speaker 2: it is LeBron did it. He perfectly mastered this. I
42:42
Speaker 2: am really a player and a boss. And you remember
42:45
Speaker 2: KD was doing venture capital. And it's like this idea
42:51
Speaker 2: that success in this country is is owning shit, running shit. Like,
42:57
Speaker 2: I get where it comes from. I was guilty of...
42:59
Speaker 2: I went to fancy business school. I didn't go there saying,
43:02
Speaker 2: you know what? I don't want to be a boss.
43:03
Speaker 2: I went there because, like, that's where you go to be, like,
43:06
Speaker 2: a captain of capitalism. And then I got out and
43:09
Speaker 2: was like, you know what? You know what was fucking dope?
43:11
Speaker 2: Being a worker. Like, that used to be cool. Movies
43:14
Speaker 2: used to be about guys who smoked cigarettes after work
43:17
Speaker 2: and went smut on their face. That shit was dope.
43:19
Speaker 2: And we no longer think that's dope. And that shit
43:22
Speaker 2: bothers me.
43:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I realized... I want to be the boss of
43:27
Speaker 1: certain things, right? So like when I did Game Theory
43:31
Speaker 1: for HBO, I was the boss. Like that was capital M,
43:35
Speaker 1: capital S, my show. I just wanted to be the
43:39
Speaker 1: boss of the writing, right? Like the content and stuff.
43:43
Speaker 1: They'd be like, all right, so we got these set designs. Sorry,
43:48
Speaker 1: I take that one.
43:49
Speaker 2: Right.
43:50
Speaker 1: Like any of those things I did not want. I
43:52
Speaker 1: only wanted to be the boss of the things that
43:53
Speaker 1: I do. Like at this point in my career, I
43:55
Speaker 1: just want to be the boss at the right time
43:56
Speaker 1: or perhaps the boss of Beaumont Jones. Now, generally speaking,
43:59
Speaker 1: the only way to be the boss of yourself in
44:01
Speaker 1: a lot of these industries is to then also be
44:02
Speaker 1: the boss of a zillion people. I don't even think
44:05
Speaker 1: of myself as being the boss of Ryan. Right. Like
44:08
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we work together on this show. Like
44:10
Speaker 1: I got the last say so. But I'll never forget this.
44:14
Speaker 1: My father's last job. Or one of his last jobs.
44:17
Speaker 1: But it was his first job, his job into retirement
44:21
Speaker 1: number one. He had a distinguished professorship. And I remember
44:26
Speaker 1: somebody asked him about the job and he had an
44:30
Speaker 1: answer that I remembered at the time, but it sticks
44:33
Speaker 1: with me now in a way that it didn't in
44:35
Speaker 1: that moment because I was too young to appreciate it.
44:37
Speaker 1: I asked him how his job was going. He said,
44:40
Speaker 1: I ain't got no boss and I ain't the boss
44:43
Speaker 1: of nobody. Perfect. Yeah.
44:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, and I think what I'm saying is,
44:52
Speaker 2: is partially that, but it's also like this, it's not
44:56
Speaker 2: even about being the boss. It feels like to me
44:59
Speaker 2: that everybody, not everybody, but the large majority of people
45:02
Speaker 2: like are striving to be like Jeff Bezos level shit.
45:06
Speaker 1: Right.
45:07
Speaker 2: And to me, like, that's dope. Make a bunch of money,
45:10
Speaker 2: like whatever. I'm not knocking amount of money that you
45:13
Speaker 2: make or whatever. That's fine. but it just also feels
45:19
Speaker 2: like there's something wrong with just doing your shit. To me,
45:24
Speaker 2: I'll analogize it to football where we all playing football
45:29
Speaker 2: and it feels like everybody want to be a quarterback. Yeah.
45:32
Speaker 2: And it's like, nah, it's not that. And it's also,
45:35
Speaker 2: it feels like we ascribe some level of respect to
45:40
Speaker 2: to other positions in football that we don't really ascribe
45:44
Speaker 2: to a lot of other career paths where it's like, yeah,
45:47
Speaker 2: I'm an old lineman. That's dope for this reason. Yes.
45:50
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I'm a corner. That's dope for this reason.
45:52
Speaker 2: It feels like more and more, maybe it's just my
45:55
Speaker 2: algorithm or my, the things that I consume more and
45:57
Speaker 2: more that it's just like, oh, okay. You, you a linebacker.
46:03
Speaker 2: You got to work your way to quarterback.
46:05
Speaker 1: But I think what it comes down to is, is
46:08
Speaker 1: people like, even if they don't necessarily have the explicit
46:13
Speaker 1: language to discuss it, are demonstrating an implicit understanding of
46:18
Speaker 1: the shortcomings of capitalism, right? And when they're like, what
46:21
Speaker 1: I don't want to be is on the bottom of
46:24
Speaker 1: this pyramid, right? They want to get to it, but
46:29
Speaker 1: the reason they want to get to the top of
46:30
Speaker 1: the pyramid is so they can do the same shit
46:34
Speaker 1: as the other people do who are at the top
46:35
Speaker 1: of the pyramid. They want to be You know, sometimes
46:39
Speaker 1: you look around and realize how many black people really
46:41
Speaker 1: just want to be white people. I remember this, and
46:44
Speaker 1: this actually wasn't about black people, but there was this
46:47
Speaker 1: police officer in New York, this Asian cat, who went
46:52
Speaker 1: to trial and was ultimately convicted for shooting somebody in
46:55
Speaker 1: one of the projects. And it seemed pretty obvious that
47:00
Speaker 1: he was wrong. It was a convictable, shall we say, offense.
47:05
Speaker 1: I forget what punishment that they gave him. But our
47:10
Speaker 1: Asian brothers and sisters did a bit of marching about it.
47:13
Speaker 1: And what their argument was, was that if a white
47:18
Speaker 1: cop had done this, then he would have gotten away
47:24
Speaker 1: with it, which is not incorrect, I don't think. However,
47:30
Speaker 1: you're not arguing for being treated correctly or fairly. you're
47:35
Speaker 1: arguing for being treated like white people. And I think
47:39
Speaker 1: that's an important distinction because like, look, when they like,
47:41
Speaker 1: we remember when in Minnesota where that Somalian cop or
47:44
Speaker 1: Somali cop shot that white woman and ran up on his,
47:47
Speaker 1: ran up behind him.
47:48
Speaker 2: And gotta be.
47:49
Speaker 1: Honest, we wasn't like, well, if he was white, we
47:50
Speaker 1: was like, do the crime, do the time, brother. You
47:53
Speaker 1: just gonna have to, you just gonna have to eat
47:55
Speaker 1: that one. Right? Because I, the move is not to
47:59
Speaker 1: be like, we should be treated like these white cops
48:01
Speaker 1: are because we think the white cops get away with
48:03
Speaker 1: stuff that they should not, like, get away with. There
48:05
Speaker 1: are so many people that, like, this is part of
48:08
Speaker 1: the Jay-Z discussion. Like, fundamentally, he wanted to get to
48:13
Speaker 1: the place where the white folks are and do the
48:17
Speaker 1: things that they do and be hailed for doing those
48:20
Speaker 1: things the way they'll say white people are being hailed
48:23
Speaker 1: for doing those things. Eh, it's not really my bag, brother.
48:26
Speaker 1: It's not really what I'm about.
48:28
Speaker 2: And so the cop situation, I hear the, like, we
48:36
Speaker 2: want to get treated like white people, but I also hear, like,
48:39
Speaker 2: I thought we had an understanding. Right? Like, I know
48:43
Speaker 2: I'm not you, but I ain't them.
48:46
Speaker 1: Right? Right.
48:48
Speaker 2: And the Jay-Z stuff, like, I get it. I get it. Like,
48:53
Speaker 2: I think your point about capitalism is right. It's like,
48:55
Speaker 2: until you're at the top, you're always getting shit upon
48:57
Speaker 2: by somebody.
48:58
Speaker 1: Yay, first, you're last.
48:59
Speaker 2: Right. And I think that's a fair point. The thing
49:02
Speaker 2: about the Jay-Z situation is tough is it's like how
49:06
Speaker 2: we celebrate the first black person to do something. And
49:09
Speaker 2: I remember it was a big deal for me when
49:11
Speaker 2: I was working at the NFL Players Association, um thinking
49:16
Speaker 2: about trying to advocate for a black owner and it
49:20
Speaker 2: feels like jay-z and people like him expect us to
49:27
Speaker 2: celebrate and part of us part of me it wants
49:30
Speaker 2: to like celebrate it goes back to like rooting for
49:32
Speaker 2: ivory coast and cynical i don't know them but it's
49:35
Speaker 2: like i want to see someone who likes me have
49:36
Speaker 2: success so like I do want to see them achieve
49:40
Speaker 2: and commend them. But the expectation is that we're some,
49:44
Speaker 2: that feels like a win for us, but we ain't
49:46
Speaker 2: nobody else actually winning.
49:47
Speaker 1: Well, he's leaving. He leaves our team when he does this.
49:50
Speaker 2: Right. But because you dress the same and you talk
49:53
Speaker 2: the same and you came from the team, it's supposed
49:56
Speaker 2: to be like, we did it. Look what, look what
49:58
Speaker 2: we did. And then people like, nah, we ain't do nothing.
50:00
Speaker 2: You did it. Yeah. Congratulations.
50:02
Speaker 1: I achieved my way into becoming the enemy. Yeah. Not
50:06
Speaker 1: saying white people are the enemy, but in terms of
50:08
Speaker 1: class struggle.
50:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's what, it didn't sound like
50:12
Speaker 2: that's what you said at all.
50:12
Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to make things clear before people start aggregating.
50:16
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I've become a part of the system, honestly.
50:19
Speaker 2: It's like, I started as someone who recognized how flawed
50:22
Speaker 2: this system is, and I worked my way into being
50:25
Speaker 2: one of the gears in the system. Why aren't y'all
50:28
Speaker 2: happy about me as it grinds you up?
50:30
Speaker 1: Because Jay-Z's thing is, and he said it very clearly,
50:33
Speaker 1: I just take things for how they are. which is
50:36
Speaker 1: a hollow, empty thing to say. Like, in part, yeah,
50:39
Speaker 1: there's something to that. Like, there's a level of this game, like,
50:43
Speaker 1: that's why they'll go, well, you still use Amazon, you
50:45
Speaker 1: still use an iPhone. Okay, we're not able to opt
50:48
Speaker 1: out of capitalism in every way that you describe, right?
50:51
Speaker 1: But I don't have to try to become a pillar
50:53
Speaker 1: of it, you know? But the bottom line is, what
50:58
Speaker 1: is very impossible to get people to believe in this
51:03
Speaker 1: highly capitalistic culture and with the particular brands of Christianity
51:09
Speaker 1: that are associated with it, it is difficult to make
51:13
Speaker 1: people divorce themselves of the idea that there is a
51:17
Speaker 1: nobility in being rich. That by definition, getting rich gets
51:23
Speaker 1: you to a place, unless you sell street dope to
51:27
Speaker 1: get it. But the idea is, that's another wire line. Hey, D,
51:32
Speaker 1: you got the money, you get to be whoever you want.
51:34
Speaker 1: which is partially true, not really, but that's kind of
51:37
Speaker 1: the Jay-Z, that's also the other part of the Jay-Z story, right?
51:40
Speaker 1: Is trying to achieve himself into being a different person
51:43
Speaker 1: than the one he was, one that I don't think
51:45
Speaker 1: he's necessarily ever been that fond of, right? But then,
51:48
Speaker 1: you know, being on the cover of Time Magazine in
51:50
Speaker 1: a suit and all that stuff, like he wanted to
51:52
Speaker 1: be in the rooms, right? I think I told you,
51:54
Speaker 1: I was at a dinner once with Ty Ty. Ty
51:56
Speaker 1: Ty said that they was in the project. Ty Ty said,
51:59
Speaker 1: he said that when he go on vacation, he doesn't
52:01
Speaker 1: even know where he's going. He said he just gets
52:04
Speaker 1: on the plane. Somebody packs the bag for him and
52:06
Speaker 1: he just gets off wherever the place is going to be.
52:09
Speaker 1: And he said that he used to be in those
52:10
Speaker 1: projects and he'd look at the airplanes and he'd say
52:12
Speaker 1: to himself, I want to be on that plane. It
52:15
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where it's going. I just wish I was
52:17
Speaker 1: on that plane.
52:18
Speaker 2: Right?
52:18
Speaker 1: So there's a level to which I can't relate to.
52:22
Speaker 1: And there's a part of it that makes me sad
52:25
Speaker 1: in a way to kind of see like the lengths
52:27
Speaker 1: that we go through. But in the end, there's nothing
52:29
Speaker 1: noble about having a bunch of money. Yeah.
52:33
Speaker 2: There's nothing noble about not having a bunch of money.
52:35
Speaker 1: Correct. Well, see, that's the other part. That's really not noble.
52:39
Speaker 1: There's nothing cracking about that.
52:41
Speaker 2: It should, it should not be, it shouldn't weigh as
52:45
Speaker 2: heavily into this. And I think like you and I
52:47
Speaker 2: both are fans of Jay-Z musically. Like he's incredibly talented.
52:52
Speaker 2: Like that's nothing to take away from. And that's the
52:54
Speaker 2: hardest thing I think about some of this stuff is,
52:57
Speaker 2: being able to have these conversations with people without them
53:00
Speaker 2: feeling like, no, no, he's super talented. The path that
53:03
Speaker 2: he's gone on has been super impressive. He's accomplished really incredible,
53:07
Speaker 2: unbelievable things. That don't mean that it's all right.
53:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only part I care about is the rap.
53:14
Speaker 2: Nice. The latest freestyle wasn't as good as the previous was.
53:19
Speaker 1: Not a great look. Not a great, not a great,
53:21
Speaker 1: not a great. Honestly, they should have booed him for that.
53:24
Speaker 2: Yeah they should have but he is nice and I
53:27
Speaker 2: think that there's a um like your path does really
53:32
Speaker 2: define a lot your experience defines a lot of who
53:34
Speaker 2: you are and I think when you are like fighting
53:37
Speaker 2: your way out and you keep winning which he kept
53:40
Speaker 2: winning it's like yeah this is the right way and
53:42
Speaker 2: things keep getting better this is the right way it's
53:44
Speaker 2: hard it's really difficult to like examine the strategy that
53:50
Speaker 2: you've like you set out for a goal This is
53:53
Speaker 2: success for him. The strategy that he employed got him
53:57
Speaker 2: to where he expected and further. It's insane for us
54:01
Speaker 2: to look at, which is why he looks at us
54:02
Speaker 2: like we're crazy. It's insane for us to look at
54:04
Speaker 2: him and say, oh, but this is wrong. And he's like, no,
54:10
Speaker 2: this is the game they told me to play. I
54:11
Speaker 2: played it great. And now you got it. So I
54:15
Speaker 2: understand where he's coming from. And he's like, what y'all
54:17
Speaker 2: barking at me for? I'm doing what I'm supposed to do.
54:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he's doing a thing that people... do often
54:23
Speaker 1: which is using they and y'all a little too broadly
54:28
Speaker 1: and he's misunderstanding you're right there are people who said
54:30
Speaker 1: exactly what it is that you're talking about right they're
54:33
Speaker 1: not the same people who are saying this other thing
54:36
Speaker 1: right now but he was like i thought you know
54:38
Speaker 1: i thought this was america people and he means that
54:42
Speaker 1: right like he's like i have achieved the american dream
54:45
Speaker 1: and i did it on all madden yep Right?
54:50
Speaker 2: It's so impressive.
54:51
Speaker 1: I had a couple codes that I used. You know
54:54
Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
54:54
Speaker 2: Right? Right?
54:55
Speaker 1: Like, I backdoored the game a little bit, but I
54:58
Speaker 1: won the game on all Madden, and now y'all telling
55:01
Speaker 1: me that that was bad? Right. I can't understand this.
55:04
Speaker 1: And much like the football players on the podcast, he
55:07
Speaker 1: ain't got nobody that could be like, all right, brother,
55:11
Speaker 1: this is what they talking about. He can't. It's not there.
55:15
Speaker 2: I wonder if, like, he could... Because I think some
55:19
Speaker 2: of these points are unassailable, and it is hard to argue,
55:22
Speaker 2: but he finds himself in such a defensive position. If
55:25
Speaker 2: he was ever open to actually sitting down with somebody,
55:29
Speaker 2: if you could get through, because he's an incredibly smart person.
55:32
Speaker 2: But that's the part that I think that explanation, because
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Speaker 2: he doesn't hear the explanation that we just discussed. He hears, like,
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Speaker 2: you don't care about us. And he's like, but I
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Speaker 2: did this, I did that, I did this. When I
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Speaker 2: don't think that's exactly the point.
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Speaker 1: Also don't forget and I don't say this as an
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Speaker 1: insult man dropped out of school in 11th grade what
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Speaker 1: we're talking about now are ideas and ideas require exposure
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Speaker 1: and I don't think that these types of conversations that
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Speaker 1: we're having are in line with an exposure that he
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Speaker 1: has truly had like who in his life does he
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Speaker 1: know that approaches the world with anything close to an
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Speaker 1: anti-capitalist critique. And I'll give him this. He comes out
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Speaker 1: here and he talks about these things, whether he realizes
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Speaker 1: or not how he sounds all the time, because I
56:28
Speaker 1: would love to hear what his wife has to say
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Speaker 1: about these things, because her brand is much different than his.
56:36
Speaker 1: His capitalism is naked and unabashed, even though he tries
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Speaker 1: to do a little of the things here, right? Hers
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Speaker 1: is way more touchy-feely But in application, seems to be
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Speaker 1: exactly the same. Beating y'all over the head for them tickets.
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Speaker 2: I think he, yeah, it's probably fair to say that
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Speaker 2: a lot of us view the world through what was
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Speaker 2: most impactful at our formative stages. And I do think
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Speaker 2: that a lot of the drug game stuff, like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's kind of how he operates, right? And then he
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Speaker 2: looks at it like, no. But I ain't killing nobody.
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Speaker 2: I ain't selling nothing that's going to ruin your life.
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Speaker 2: And y'all mad at me?
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Speaker 1: Right, right. Just doing what they do.
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Speaker 2: There we go.
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Speaker 1: See, it's a... It's a lot going on.
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Speaker 2: But hey, man.
57:36
Speaker 1: So Jay, you rooting for Argentina?
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Speaker 2: That's what you're doing.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Jay-Z would not have... Look, at this point, Jay-Z
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Speaker 1: might have an Argentina jersey for all I know. Wouldn't
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Speaker 1: shock me in the least. He's going to have Messi
57:48
Speaker 1: throwing up the rock. But hey, man, that is Dominique Fosworth.
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Speaker 1: Check him out on the Dominique Fosworth Show. Available on
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Speaker 1: all podcast are available. Appreciate you, man.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
57:59
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