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Freddy vs. Jason: Who Owned the 80s? · Children of the 80s

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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Children of the Eighties. I am one
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  Speaker 2: of your hosts, Jim, and I am joined by the
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  Speaker 2: lady who doesn't really care for my hockey mask, but
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  Speaker 2: she wears the same hat and sweater every single day,
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  Speaker 2: and even when it's hot outside she wears it.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: It's my co host, Lindsey.
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  Speaker 3: You know what happened.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've been married, maybe about four months, and
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  Speaker 1: I woke up in the night and you were over
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  Speaker 1: me with that hockey mask.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember that?
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  Speaker 2: That's when you quit liking it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Were you a little worried? Well, I've got some news
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  Speaker 2: for you. It's not just the two of us for
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  Speaker 2: this episode.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wait, hold on, let me give my pants on.
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  Speaker 2: We're we're we're having a special Halloween episode. So we've
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  Speaker 2: invited a guest and I've got some guest intro music
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  Speaker 2: here that I want to play and then I'll introduce them.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think do it? It's our buddy Justin
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  Speaker 2: from the Pop Culture Reflections podcast, coming back welcome back, Justin.
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  Speaker 4: Love the music. Wait, let me go put my pants on. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 4: I'm back. I'm so happy to be here, especially considering
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  Speaker 4: the topic. And I love talking to the two of you,
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  Speaker 4: two my favorite people. So I'm back and loving it.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Well, you're great to talk to. We enjoy
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  Speaker 2: having you and and so we're glad to welcome you back.
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  Speaker 2: At least I am. I don't know she's over there
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  Speaker 2: all quiet time.
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  Speaker 1: I am very happy to have you back. I'm feeling
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  Speaker 1: personally a little out of my element because I love Halloween,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't like scary Halloween. So I know today
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about some might argue scary Halloween movies, so
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  Speaker 1: I feel I feel like I'm not worthy to be here.
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  Speaker 3: So therefore I'm a little quiet.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna ask Justin, Justin, are these movies scary
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  Speaker 2: to you? Or were they scary to you?
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  Speaker 5: Oh? Boy?
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  Speaker 4: So maybe first viewing when I seen because I think
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  Speaker 4: of for the franchises we're covering, I think the very
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  Speaker 4: first one I saw of any of them was Freddy's Revenge,
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  Speaker 4: Part two of a Nightmare on Elm Street.
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  Speaker 5: That one to me at seven.
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  Speaker 4: Year old seven years old or whatever I was was
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  Speaker 4: a little was a little scared. Yes, now, as I
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  Speaker 4: worked my way through the franchise, even as a kid
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  Speaker 4: of you know, eight, nine, ten, I didn't think it
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  Speaker 4: was as scary at that point, And obviously as an adult,
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  Speaker 4: I don't find it that scary. But I could see
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  Speaker 4: where if you're not big in the horror and not
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  Speaker 4: big into gore and stuff like that, some of this
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  Speaker 4: can be a little on the scary side. Absolutely, especially
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  Speaker 4: if you look at some early Friday the thirteenth, I
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  Speaker 4: think those can be a little bit more terrifying. But
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  Speaker 4: one of the things I want to say real quick
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  Speaker 4: is Lindsay is totally qualified. Because you want to talk
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  Speaker 4: about two franchises that are eighties icons, these two right
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  Speaker 4: here might be two of the best.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So for sure, for our listening audience today, we
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  Speaker 2: are doing an episode called Freddie Versus Jason, and we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna talk a little bit about all of the movies
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  Speaker 2: that filmed in the eighties. We're gonna talk about some
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  Speaker 2: of the similarities and differences between the franchises, between the characters,
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  Speaker 2: and we're just gonna have a lot of fun here.
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  Speaker 2: But I have to say that when I was young,
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  Speaker 2: I probably saw Friday the Thirteenth, Part two actually justin
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen the original, not in okay, not in full.
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  Speaker 1: Wait but wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Friday
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  Speaker 1: the thirteenth. We watched the original together.
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  Speaker 2: No we did, not the.
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  Speaker 3: One where it ends up being the mom Yes, we
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  Speaker 3: watched that together.
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  Speaker 2: No we didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, sorry about this little lover spat we're
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  Speaker 1: having here in front of you.
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  Speaker 5: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: But I saw the second one probably in nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 2: two ish, maybe early eighty three, so I was about
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  Speaker 2: nine eight or nine, and it scared the tar out
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  Speaker 2: of me, but I loved it. And then Part three
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  Speaker 2: came out in eighty three, and I saw that because
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  Speaker 2: that was in three D. So we've rented it and
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  Speaker 2: got the three D glasses and the popcorn and everything
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  Speaker 2: else and watched that in eighty three. And I can
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  Speaker 2: just say that the Friday the thirteenth scared the tar
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  Speaker 2: out of me. The the Nightmare on Elm Streets not
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  Speaker 2: so much. But yeah, that was kind of my introduction
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  Speaker 2: to it.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the funny thing. I was gonna say the opposite. Really,
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  Speaker 1: I never felt like Friday the thirteenth was all that
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  Speaker 1: scary now, suspenseful maybe, but not scary.
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  Speaker 3: Freddy on the other hand, he terrified me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is sweater alone, was just a crime.
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  Speaker 2: This is gonna make for an interesting episode. Then if
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  Speaker 2: we're already on opposite sides, and then you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think I know where Justin stands on this. But we'll
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  Speaker 2: get into a little bit of that later. But Justin
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  Speaker 2: just thoughts overall on both franchises, Nightmare on Elm Street
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  Speaker 2: and Friday the Thirteenth, And you could talk about them,
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  Speaker 2: you know, all decades, but when we really dive into
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  Speaker 2: the meat of it, we're just gonna stay in the eighties.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that the core of this both
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  Speaker 4: of these series is the installments in the eighties. I
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  Speaker 4: think what came in the nineties. A lot of people,
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  Speaker 4: even fans of the series, have mixed feelings on those
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  Speaker 4: installments that came in the nineties and then after. But
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  Speaker 4: that's a different conversation for a different day. But I
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  Speaker 4: think the meat and potatoes of these franchises all happened
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  Speaker 4: in the eighties. Now, there's probably plenty of better guests
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  Speaker 4: you could have brought on to talk about horror that
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  Speaker 4: kind of specialize in horror, because obviously I love horror,
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  Speaker 4: It's my favorite film franchise, but I specialize more in
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  Speaker 4: all kinds of you know, aspects of pop culture.
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  Speaker 5: Pop culture.
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  Speaker 4: But having said that, my perspective, I've said this story before,
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  Speaker 4: I literally grew up on these two franchises. So for
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  Speaker 4: you guys to ask me to come talk about these
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  Speaker 4: is such an honor for me because of growing up
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  Speaker 4: with them.
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  Speaker 5: Like you had kids growing up.
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  Speaker 4: On g I, Joe and he Man and all that,
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  Speaker 4: and trust me, I was into that too as a kid.
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  Speaker 4: But in reality, I grew up on these two franchises,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that's why I became such a big
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  Speaker 4: hard nerd was because of Freddie and Jason and everything
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  Speaker 4: they meant to me from the ages of seven and
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  Speaker 4: up as I kind of delved into all of these installments.
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  Speaker 4: Because let's keep in mind, I was born in eighty one,
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  Speaker 4: so I was pretty young when these movies kind of
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  Speaker 4: hit their run. You know, obviously, Friday the thirteenth start
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  Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty, so I was pretty young. So it
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  Speaker 4: took a little bit later into the decade for me
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  Speaker 4: to start watching these on video and on television when
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  Speaker 4: my mom would allow me.
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  Speaker 5: But once I did, like, I was all in.
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  Speaker 4: Like there were kids that, like, you know that maybe
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  Speaker 4: Superman or Batman or he Man was their superhero. Freaking
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  Speaker 4: Freddy and Jason were my superheroes. Whatever that might say
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  Speaker 4: about me, but it was what I grew up when
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  Speaker 4: I loved it.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm feeling a little old here because I said
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  Speaker 2: I watched it in eighty two and that Men's Justin
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  Speaker 2: was one, and I am watching a movie about Jason.
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  Speaker 2: But are we ready to dive?
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: This is a podcast that looks back on the decade
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  Speaker 1: of the nineteen eighties. We talk about things that were
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  Speaker 1: important to us as children and what we look back
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  Speaker 1: on with fond memories as adults. Ultimately, this is a
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  Speaker 1: nostalgia podcast.
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  Speaker 2: All right. So I'm gonna go through some stats here,
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  Speaker 2: and if you guys have anything to say, just stop
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  Speaker 2: me and jump right in. All right, So Friday the
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  Speaker 2: Thirteenth twelve films overall eight in the nineteen eighties. Jason
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  Speaker 2: appeared in seven of them, but Justin can tell you
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  Speaker 2: really he only appeared in six, Didney Justin?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Now you could have a technicality here and say
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  Speaker 4: that he even was featured in a way in Part
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  Speaker 4: five which he was not the main antagonist, and technically
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  Speaker 4: little Jason showed up in the first one. So if
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  Speaker 4: you want to be technical, Jason technically appears in all
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  Speaker 4: eight of the eighties and well all of the Friday
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  Speaker 4: the Thirteenth films if you want to get technical.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but as the main character, as the homicidal maniac,
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  Speaker 2: he's really only in six of them, Craby, though for
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  Speaker 2: a long time we thought that he was in seven
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  Speaker 2: of them, until it was revealed at the end of
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  Speaker 2: five that it wasn't actually Jason.
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  Speaker 5: M all right.
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  Speaker 2: There was a Friday the Thirteenth, the TV series that
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  Speaker 2: aired from nineteen eighty seven to nineteen eighty ten. There
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  Speaker 2: is an upcoming series called Crystal Lake that I think
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  Speaker 2: is it gonna air on Netflix?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that thing has been in limbo for a long time,
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  Speaker 4: but I do know they finally went into filming, and
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  Speaker 4: I think I saw somewhere that filming has now wrapped,
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  Speaker 4: so it's actually finally filmed, I believe. But as far
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  Speaker 4: as where it's gonna broadcast, I thought originally it was
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  Speaker 4: going to be Peacock, but I don't know if that's changed.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it maybe it maybe Peacock, Yeah, there was also
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  Speaker 2: did you all know that there was a Nintendo Entertainment
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  Speaker 2: System game called Friday the Thirteenth, Of course, where you are.
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  Speaker 4: A People can't see this because it's an audio podcast, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: but I have a mask dedicated to the nes F
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  Speaker 4: the Thirteenth game right back there.
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  Speaker 5: I loved it so much.
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  Speaker 2: Nightmare on Elm Street nine films overall five in the eighties,
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  Speaker 2: also had a television series called Fredday's Nightmares from nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty eight to nineteen eighty ten, and also had an
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  Speaker 2: ANYS game that came out in nineteen ninety as well.
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  Speaker 3: Any thoughts on that.
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  Speaker 1: I remember both of those Nintendo games, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I owned them, so obviously, I guess I was
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  Speaker 1: playing them at a cousin's house.
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  Speaker 3: But I've played both of them at least one.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I played the Friday the Thirteenth one quite a bit.
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  Speaker 4: I was enamored by that stupid game, even though it
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  Speaker 4: didn't make a whole lot of sense. But the Nightmare
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  Speaker 4: on Elm Street one, I remember playing it a couple times,
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  Speaker 4: but it hasn't stayed with me. I don't remember any
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  Speaker 4: of the game play during it or anything, but the
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  Speaker 4: Friday the Thirteenth one really has stayed with me.
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  Speaker 5: It was such a fun game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember playing Nightmare on Elm Street at all.
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  Speaker 2: We probably rented when you could rent video games, We
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  Speaker 2: probably rented Friday the Thirteenth. But I remember it well
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  Speaker 2: or fairly well for as long ago as it.
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  Speaker 3: Was forgotten that you could rent video games.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you get those at Blockbuster at some little
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  Speaker 1: mom and pop store?
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  Speaker 2: Well, back then it was the mom and pop store,
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  Speaker 2: but eventually you could get them at Blockbuster. Some of
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  Speaker 2: the similarities of each franchise multiple movies Unkillable Characters started
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  Speaker 2: in the eighties but went beyond. Both have had reboots,
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  Speaker 2: both had a five subtitle, and there was also a
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  Speaker 2: Freddie versus Jason movie. Any thoughts on any of that? Uh?
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  Speaker 4: Can I start with just unpack a little bit? Not
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  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna get into it too much, But you
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  Speaker 4: talked about the TV series, so of both of these franchises,
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  Speaker 4: For one, I remember because I haven't gone back to
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  Speaker 4: watch either of those series since probably when I was
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  Speaker 4: a kid, when I watched some of them. But I
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  Speaker 4: remember not liking the Friday the Thirteenth series because it
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  Speaker 4: was nothing like the franchise. It took itself very serious.
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  Speaker 4: It almost reminded me of the anthology TV series like
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  Speaker 4: The Hitchhiker I think it was called.
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  Speaker 5: It was kind of similar to that vibe.
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  Speaker 4: When it comes to The Freddie's Nightmares, I kind of
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  Speaker 4: liked that one a little bit more because it was
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  Speaker 4: very campy, and I remember Freddie would like be at
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  Speaker 4: the beginning of it, almost like Tales from the Crypt.
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  Speaker 4: He was like the crypt Keeper, but for that show,
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  Speaker 4: and I remember that even like the first episode of
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  Speaker 4: that series was almost like a telling the backstory of
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  Speaker 4: Fred Krueger, which I thought was really cool that they
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  Speaker 4: brought that into the TV series and incorporated it, where
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  Speaker 4: Friday thirteenth was nothing to do with Jason Vorhees or
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  Speaker 4: any of that lore. So I never cared for that series,
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  Speaker 4: but again not rewatching either one of them in a while.
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  Speaker 4: But they will say I remember liking The Freddy's Nightmares
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  Speaker 4: just because of how campy it was.
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  Speaker 1: So in the eighties we didn't have cable, so our
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  Speaker 1: local channel thirty six or forty six around Halloween, especially
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  Speaker 1: Friday the thirteenth. They would play it all the time,
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  Speaker 1: but because it was regular TV, they cut out any
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  Speaker 1: questionable parts. So I probably was oblivious to some of
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  Speaker 1: the more suggestive parts of the movies, or maybe the
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  Speaker 1: gory parts of the movies because that was always cut out.
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  Speaker 1: So I probably grew up watching it thinking it was
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  Speaker 1: a much tamer movie than it was, even though Justin
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  Speaker 1: would argue that I'm sure they're both tame.
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  Speaker 5: In a way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I watched both series two, at least
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  Speaker 2: parts of both series. It came on I think after
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  Speaker 2: our local news maybe late at night on a Friday
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  Speaker 2: night or a Saturday night, and it wasn't on like
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  Speaker 2: ABCNBC or CBS. It was on like our local just
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  Speaker 2: like Saint Louis station. And so yeah, I watched both
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  Speaker 2: of them, and I agree with you Justin, like Friday
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  Speaker 2: the thirteenth was very much like a Hitchhiker anthology film.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of related it to kind of like a
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  Speaker 2: Twilight Zone, you know, in a zone almost, whereas the
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  Speaker 2: Freddy series did have Freddy almost as like the host,
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  Speaker 2: or at least introducing the episode and then coming back
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  Speaker 2: through commercial breaks and then at the end doing kind
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  Speaker 2: of his Freddy thing, so Freddy, Yeah, where he just
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  Speaker 2: kind of cracks jokes and you know that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 4: Can we can we talk a minute about the actual
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  Speaker 4: film Freddie Versus Jason, because I know it's not eighties yea, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna go I'm not gonna go into
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  Speaker 4: the film much, but I'm gonna tie this into the
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  Speaker 4: whole love I had of these two franchises in the
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  Speaker 4: eighties and early nineties. So I remember when I was
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  Speaker 4: a kid seeing Jason Goes to Hell, right, and again
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  Speaker 4: that was in the nineties, but I remember at the
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  Speaker 4: end of that movie when Jason's essentially did goes to
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  Speaker 4: Hell and his mask is laying on the ground and
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  Speaker 4: we get Freddy's glove coming out of the ground and
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  Speaker 4: pulling it down the hell laughing the whole time because
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  Speaker 4: at that point New Line Cinema finally owned the rights
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  Speaker 4: to the Friday Thirteenth franchise at that point going forward,
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  Speaker 4: enabling them to do that. And I remember as a kid,
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember what magazines I would get or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: but I remember seeing like rumors about we're gonna get
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  Speaker 4: Freddie Versus Jason, We're gonna get a movie with both
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  Speaker 4: of them in So I was so excited, and then
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  Speaker 4: it never happened. It never happened until finally, all the
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  Speaker 4: way into like two thousand and three, I believe, is
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  Speaker 4: when Freddie Versus Jason finally came out, and I know
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  Speaker 4: that whole production was in limbo for a while and
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  Speaker 4: there was writing, you know, writers issues and stuff. But no, again,
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  Speaker 4: this is not a conversation for today. That film is
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  Speaker 4: what it is, whether or not I like it as
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  Speaker 4: much as the rest of the franchise. What I did
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  Speaker 4: love about it, even at that age at twenty two,
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  Speaker 4: you know, being a little bit removed from my love
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  Speaker 4: and nostalgia of the of the series in the eighties.
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  Speaker 4: I loved seeing the characters of Freddie, Freddie's and Jason
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  Speaker 4: calming together, battling it out almost Wwe style at the
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  Speaker 4: end of that movie. So I had a lot of
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  Speaker 4: fun with it. So again, I know, we're probably not
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  Speaker 4: gonna talk a lot about that, So I at least
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  Speaker 4: wanted to bring that up because for me, as a
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  Speaker 4: childhood fan, it was such a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: So Freddy Versus Jason, that was a movie that was
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  Speaker 1: a movie. Yes, it came out in the nineties, No, two.
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  Speaker 2: Thousand and three. Yeah, so I was done with the
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  Speaker 2: franchise by probably ninety two or ninety three, both of them,
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  Speaker 2: because they just got stupid. But when that came around,
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  Speaker 2: I was a little bit excited. And they didn't go
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  Speaker 2: to the movies to see it, but I probably rented
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  Speaker 2: it from Netflix and watched it just because, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: it was the two characters in the same movie.
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  Speaker 1: Did they join forces or were they going against each other?
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  Speaker 4: Well, essentially Freddie who had kind of lost his powers
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  Speaker 4: at that point, everybody kind of forgot about him. He
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  Speaker 4: essentially used Jason to kind of kill for him and
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  Speaker 4: to bring them back to him to be able to
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  Speaker 4: haunt their nightmares again or to gain his power back
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  Speaker 4: through Jason, and then they end up fighting each other,
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  Speaker 4: which is like I said, it was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 4: And back to what Jim said, I was actually their
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  Speaker 4: opening night. That's how excited I was. Again, it let
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  Speaker 4: me down a little bit in some ways, but the
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  Speaker 4: just the action of those two going against each other
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  Speaker 4: was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: It was like finally seeing Hogan and Andre you know,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: right fight in the center of the Ring or Hogan
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: and Flair. Right, that's that's probably more apropos than Hogan
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: and Andre. All right, well, let's get to the categories,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: and this will only be for movies in the nineteen eighties.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Which individual film had the best popcorn meter was a
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: question that I asked. Now, I didn't expect either of
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: you two to look that up, but I'm gonna provide
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: that the original Friday the thirteenth had sixty percent. But
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: as we discussed, Jason wasn't really the main character in it,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: even though, as Justin points out, technically he was in it.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Justin, do you have a.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Guess at which episode had the highest popcorn meter from
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: the critics.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: In just the Friday series.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Or both just the Friday series.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess, now the popcorn is that audience or
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: is that the critics?
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: That's the critics.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: I'm probably gonna say it's the original.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Well, it is the original, But besides the original, which
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: do you think is.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Well besides that one?
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I would probably say of the rest of them,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I would probably say.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: It was probably four part four me.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: That's what I said. Six, Uh, it is six, believe
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: it or not. Briday thirteenth Part six Jason Lives was
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the highest one.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: So six was filmed in Georgia.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Not only was six filmed in Georgia, but the camp
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: was Camp Routledge, which was a camp not too far
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: from where I grew up, and it's where it was
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: where the kids at my church went to church camp
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: every summer, and it was Camp Routledge, but it was
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: whatever it was called in the movie.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Was it still Camp Crystal Lake in six? I think? So? Okay?
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so Camp Rutledge was Camp Crystal Lake. So
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: that's how I knew that it was six, because six
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: was always stuck out in my mind a little bit
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: more because that had a personal touch.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Interesting well, and I will I will say real quick,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: just on the personal part. Six Jason Lives is my
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: favorite of the franchise.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: So I'm happy to hear that.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Wow it is.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's that in part two or probably my
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: two favorites for two different reasons. But yeah, I Jason
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Lives was the one that as a kid hooked me
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: to this series. It's why I fell in love with
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: the series. Even though I I think.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: I told the story before.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: I believe it was the final chapter was the first
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: one I saw, because I remember Corey Feldman and I
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: was like big into Corey Felderman at that that age
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: because the Goonies and all that and Gremlins. So I
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: think that was the first one I saw. And then
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: right after that, I saw Jason Lives and I was hooked.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: And that's when I'm like, okay, mom, I got to
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: rent all the rest of these uh in that in
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: this franchise.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Uh and and just bingjam because I loved it too cool?
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: All right, So.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: It probably this probably isn't difficult. Which Nightmare on Elm
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Street had the highest popcorn meter?
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Now? Is this all of them? Including the original? We
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: can pick for many of them.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anything in the eighties.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: I think it's the original probably has the highest.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The original actually has eighty four percent on the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: popcorn Wow. So the critics loved it, Okay, So just
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a little rundown. So Friday at Thirteenth Part two forty
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: nine percent and Nightmare Part two only thirty three percent.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Part thre's forty two for Friday and sixty eight for Nightmare.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: So I guess Nightmare kind of made a comeback there.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I was Dream Warriors Part four. They're flip flop flopping again.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Because Friday's at fifty two, the Nightmares at forty three,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Part five, you can see it kind of start to
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: go down. Friday's at twenty six, Nightmares at thirty one,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: but part six, like I said, fifty four, and then
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: part seven and eight, we're thirty seven and twenty six percent, respectively. Now,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: if we go to the Tomato meter, or as we
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: like to call it on here because we're from the South,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: justin the Mader meter, Phitch individual film out of the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: what is it? Twelve films? So eight thirteen films, eight
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: for Friday, five for Nightmare. Which do you think the
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: fans liked the best?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: I would probably say Dream Warriors, that'd be my guess.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: So that for those of you that aren't familiar, that
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: would be Nightmare on Elm Street Part three, Linz.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I hate to just piggyback off Justin, but I really
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: have no idea, Okay, So can I just go?
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like Justin knows.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: You can just piggyback off Justin and I can tell
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: you both that you're both absolutely wrong. The original Nightmare
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: on Elm Street comes in with a ninety four percent
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: on the tomato meter. So, uh, here's what I'll say.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I agree with that, Like I thought the original Nightmare
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: on Elm Street was just so well done in such
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: a crazy story. It was different than your Halloween or
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: your Friday the thirteenth, and so it was just done
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: so differently that it was It was actually a really
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: good movie, not just entertaining. And I think that all
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of these movies for the most part, are entertaining, but
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Nightmare on Elm Street was actually good.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Thoughts.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think it is a
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: great film. Like I love almost all the movies in
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: both of these franchises because again I have a lot
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: of nostylgia for them. They're a lot of fun, they
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: get really creative, they do a lot of things that
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: just stand out from there from the pack. But having
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: said all that, objectively, although I Friday the Thirteenth is
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: my favorite franchise of all time in any genre, but
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: objectively I would say probably Nightmare one the original is
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: probably the best made film as far as you know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: the screenplay, the direction, the cinematography, maybe even the score
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: like all that, and for that for that matter, even
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: like the performances are pretty strong all around as well,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: so I'm not surprised by that, although I know a
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: lot of audiences like some of the other installments as well.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: So maybe ninety four whatever you said, that percent is
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: actually higher than I expected, But it definitely is. It
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: deserves all the love it gets because I think it
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: really is a great movie.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree Lynn's thoughts.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that when this first came out
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that just the novelty of the monster coming in your
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: dreams to get you. You can only stay awake for
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: so long, and we're always kind of dreams can have
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a sort of a creepy element to it anyways. And
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: then so now to give like a face to the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: boogeyman in your dreams, I can see why that would
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: definitely have caught the audience's attention back in the day.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I would agree. So The Nightmare actually has the two
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: highest audience scores, the original at ninety four percent, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: then like you guys said, Part three is the next
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: highest out of all the movies at sixty eight percent
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: on the Tomato meter. So Nightmare Part four is actually
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: next at fifty six percent, tied with Friday Part six
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: also at fifty six I'm not going to go through
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: all of them, but I am gonna say that Friday
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the thirteenth I was a little surprise because I thought
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Part three was iconic because that's when he first dons
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the hockey mask. And I just thought that was iconic.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: That actually came in at just fourteen percent for Rotten Tomatoes.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: So now, remind me, before the hockey mask, what was
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: on his face justin it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Was just it was a like almost like a potato
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: sack with a little whole for the one eye.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, freakier than the hockey mask. To me, probably should
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: have just stuck with that because that's weird.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: I but I've said this before though, I think without
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: the hockey mask, I don't know that this series had
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: the legs that it did. I I there's, yeah, there's
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: something iconic about that from a marketing standpoint, from a
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: pop culture standpoint, that had he had they kept the sack,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a limb here.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I think if they kept the sack, I don't know
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: that it makes it past the third installment. And this
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: is coming from a guy that loves Part two. I
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: think Jason in Part two is freaking all. Like what
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Jim said, He's terrifying. He might be the most terrifying
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Jason of all of them, just the way he moves
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: his the act, the way the actor moves his body
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: and all that. Some of the jump scares are fantastic,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: but there is something really creepy about that sack. But
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I don't think this series has legs. If they would
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: have kept that look and not had the iconic hockey.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Mask, I agree. I agree, the hockey mask made it iconic,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: made the character iconic, and without that, I don't think
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: you've got it. The lowest score is Friday the Thirteenth
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Part eight at eleven percent. We'll get into We'll get
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: into a little bit more of that stuff right now.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: So I think the next category I think we just
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: kind of covered with the rotten tomatoes. But the best
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: debut film, which to me, is Nightmare Versus Friday the
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Thirteenth Part two, Although if you guys want to make
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the argument for Friday the Thirteenth, that's fine. Jason's only
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: really in it at the end. But if you went
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Nightmare Versus Friday the Thirteenth, Part two, which one you
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: go in?
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: So you're talking the First Nightmare versus Friday thirteenth Part two. Yes,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: m I'm going Friday thirteenth Part two all the way.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: I if you were putting Friday thirteenth the original up
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: with Missus Vorhee says the killer versus the First Nightmare film,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: the first Nightmare film takes it by far.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: It's a landslide.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: But I have so much love for Part two of
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Friday thirteenth, and the jump scares not to mention Ginny
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: played by Emmy Steele is one of my favorite Final
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Girls of all time. She's so intelligent in the way
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: she manipulates Jason mentally, is so creative and so cool,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: and I think it became the template for what the
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: series would be going forward for Final Girls. That as
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: much as I think the First Nightmare film is great,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: just my heart, I gotta go with Friday Part two.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: I just love it so much.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I'm going with Nightmare on Elm Street.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I kind of thought that, and I'm torn because everything
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Justin said is true, you know, and it's so good.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: But maybe because there were more Friday the thirteenths after
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: that that I saw before I ever saw Nightmare on
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Elm Street. Nightmare on Elm Street was just so different.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: In Friday the Thirteenth was kind of the same formula
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: over and over and over again. I would lean towards
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Nightmare on Elm Street for the first one.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: I get.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, So next category, best subtitle name for the sequels,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: and I will run them down for you. So we've
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: got Freddy's Revenge for part two, Dream Warriors for part three,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the Dream Master for part four, the Dream Child for
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: part five. For Friday the Thirteenth, we've got the Final
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Chapter which was part four, a New Beginning which was
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: part four, Jason Lives is part six, the New Blood
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: is part seven, and Jason Takes Manhattan is party.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Where'd they get that from?
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: The Muppets Take Manhattan's ridiculous?
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: It was it had fallen off the cliff by then.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: But Justin may disagree with that, but uh yeah, Part
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: eight was wild. So if you're going with a name
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: for any of those sequels, Lindsey, where do you go
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I like.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: To I like Dream Warriors or Jason Lives.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, do you want to think about that while we
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: go to Justin? Or do you want to pick.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Going with Jason Lives?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: All right, Justin?
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: This is hard for me because, Yeah, Dream Warriors is
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: a great subtitle, it really is. I love it so
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: rock and roll too. Jason Lives is awesome because I
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: love the like paying homage to the Frankenstein thing and
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: that movie as well, which is really cool. Another reason
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: why I love it so much. So that's cool. I
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: think the new Blood is a kind of a cool
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: name as well. But I love the subtitle Jason Takes Manhattan.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: It just rolls off the tongue. I love it so much.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Plus I have such a soft spot for that movie,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Like everybody hates Part eight. Everybody picks on Part eight. Oh,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: he's not in Manhattan very long. Oh, most of the
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: city shots are done in Vancouver. Oh it's Jason on
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: a boat. I don't care. It's so ridiculous, it's so amazing,
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: it's so neon, it's so colorful. When I talk about
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: pop culture, there is no more pop culture film in
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: any of these franchises to me than Jason Takes Manhattan.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Just the scenes of him on the subway and in
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Times Square kicking the boombox. Listen, that movie's so freaking awesome.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Jason Takes Manhattan's the subtitle for me.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: I love it all right.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: You guys both alluded to it earlier. My favorite name
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: for this is dream Warriors. I think that's a cool name.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Plus there's a song called dream Warriors by Dockin. I
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: had a feeling that's what you were going to go with,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: and you know that song went with the movie, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: so it was just kind of perfect. But both of
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: your picks are fine. I don't have a problem with
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: either one of them. I can't like blast you for it,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: because it's not like it was a stupid pick. If
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: you had picked the dream Child, I may have said
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that was a stupid.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: Pick, terrible, terrible son and a terrible movie. But we'll
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: get there, all right.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: So next category, scariest origin story.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Got burned a live child killer?
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Or you've got drowned boy come back to life as
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: a grown man.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, the burned a live child killer.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: It just freaks me out and is melted cheese face.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: It's freaky, all right.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Justin another one I'm a little torn on because I
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: think back to that original one and you get that
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: iconic jump scare of little Jason coming out of the
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: water to pull Adrian King's character into the water. Was
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: so freaky and such a great jump scare that kind
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: of reminds me of the Jump Scare and Carrie, and
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I think probably without Carrie wouldn't have happened. But it's
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: so good that it makes me want to pick that,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: but I can't. I agree with with Lindsey, the not
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: just the origin story of Freddy, but the way that
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: it leads to the idea of this demon, you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: haunting your nightmares and killing you in your sleep is
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: so terrifying and so effective and so creative.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: I have to go with it.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Yep, uh, yeah, I agree, And I do agree with
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you that you know, in the original you think it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: over because she has defeated missus Vorhees and she's just
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: laying in the boat after sleeping all night, you know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: waiting for the police to show up, and all of
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: a sudden, drowned boy Jason just comes jumping out of
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the water and grabs around her neck and pulls her
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: into the water. Absolutely terrifying even for somebody who's never
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: seen it. Yeah, I think I haven't seen it. They
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: replay it at the beginning of part two, all right,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm gonna go with Burned a Life child
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Killer too. Right, because he was obviously he was a
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: real life child killer who couldn't be caught by the police,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: but the parents knew who he was, so they decided
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to become vigilantes and hunt him down and burn him alive.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Which honestly, there was a child killer here and the
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: police couldn't get him. I'd probably lead the pitchforks too
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: with the people in the neighborhood. All right, So best
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: next category, best setting Camp Crystal Lake versus Elm Street justin,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I'll let you go first.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Like, the one thing I guess you could defend for
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Nightmare on Elm Street is the whole tagline every town
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: housing Elm Street, So there's relatability there, but there is
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: no freaking way I can't go with the camp.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: I oh yeah, love the setting of a camp.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: And you know, you think about the imitators that spawned
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: from from this, from this series with other camp horror flicks,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: because they realized how good the aesthetic was of a
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: camp around lakes, around water. It just really works for
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: a stalker coming after people.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: So it's the camp.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: There's just something about that isolated, camp, rustic setting that
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: that's just creepy, all, just in and of itself.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: It's creepy.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm gonna third this. And being out in
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: the woods to me is kind of freaky anyway. And
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, we all got to fall asleep. But
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Elm Street didn't really do it for me as far
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: as a setting. But man, you know, just having camp
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: counselors out there telling the tall Tale of Jason, right,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: none of them believed it, and then the next thing
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: you know, he's there, and sometimes the different cabins and
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. It's just it works perfectly for that.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: So to me, it works better for the jump scares,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: even though the you know, in a dream you can
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: do pretty much anything, but just the thought of being
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: in a cabin in the woods alone with no phones,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: right and you know, a guy in a hockey mask
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: coming after you, it's it's horrifying, all right. So next
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: category we're gonna do. It's called the box office body count.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: And so who raked in the most dollars throughout the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighties? So if you just had to guess justin
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: which Friday the thirteenth made the most money?
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: All right, Now, I know this is not the original
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: because I know what these franchises, the more they get
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: into it, the more money they seem to make until
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: they hit, you know, a point where it kind of
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: goes downhill with most things.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: But I would probably.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Say it's either three or four I think, and I
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: know it is a tricky because it's never the one
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: you think it is. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: it's Part four because I think it came off of
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: the success of Part three, so a lot of people
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: flock to the theater, and then by five, I think it
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: went downhill big time. But I might be wrong, but
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say it's the dream Master.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Oh for for Nightmare, Yes, okay, lindsay for Nightmare.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it never gets better than the first one, right,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: because it's such a novelty in the beginning, it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Is it is, but I think a lot of people
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: didn't know about it in the beginning, and that's why
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: it didn't make as much money.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Justin is right.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: It is Part four for Nightmare. It made about four
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: and a half million dollars more than Part three. So
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Nightmare forty nine point three Part four forty nine point
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: three Part three forty four point eight, Part two thirty
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: the original twenty five and a half, and Part five
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: was twenty two point one, So it was it was
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: the lowest.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: It dropped from.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I think after part four people were kind of sick
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: So a total, though, of those five movies of one
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy one million. So before we go on
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: to talk about which Friday made the most money, and
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: again we're not counting the original, I want to ask
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: you not counting the original Friday. So we've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: we've got seven Fridays versus five Nightmares? Who made more money?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Which franchise made more money?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think just because Friday had more, I'm
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: gonna say it made more justin do you agree or disagree?
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: No, I think I think it's probably close. But I
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: think Friday, just based on volume because they had more installments,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say they probably edged it out.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: You pull it was actually Nightmare Wow by eight million
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: dollars one hundred and seventy one total to one hundred
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: and sixty three million for the Fridays. Now again, if
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: you throw in the original Friday the thirteenth then you
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: guys are right. The sheer volume of it, you know,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: takes it over. So which which Friday the thirteenth brought
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: in the most money? Which Friday the thirteenth? Six? Part
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: six Jason Lives justin.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: I feel like Part five didn't do I think maybe
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Part five did better than it should have, because again
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: I think it came off the success of Part four.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: And then I think Jason Lives probably suffered a bit
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: because of the reception to Part five. So I think
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna go similar to I did with
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: what I did with my logic with Nightmare. I think
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Part four. But I have a feeling
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: in this case I'm wrong. But I'm gonna say the
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: final chapter.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: You are wrong, and Lindsey is also wrong. It's actually
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Part three.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: Oh okay.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Part three brought in thirty four and a half million,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Part four thirty three million, and you're right. Part five
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: is the next highest, higher than Part two at twenty
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: one point nine million. Now, I will say that Part
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: five did get my money. It was the first one
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: in the theater to get my money, and then maybe
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the last one until Jason goes to Hell to get
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: my money in the theater. But yeah, Part three at
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: thirty four and a half million, which is ironic because
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: that's the one that had the lowest audience score. M
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: all right, so who had the most victims during the
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighties.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Jason because he just went around just
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: hacking at people.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't see that it's not Jason. I mean
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: there was in a lot of these installments. There was
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: literally fodder just for him to kill, characters that had
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: no purpose other than just play victim to him.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Saw, it's gotta be Jason.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Has Freddy.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Freddy was a little more difficult because he had to
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: wait for him to go to sleep.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes, it is. It is Jason. You're both right.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: It's not even close. Not counting Part five because that
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: wasn't Jason eighty six four for Freddie forty five, not
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: counting the nineteen children while he was still alive, because
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: that didn't happen on film. All right, this is a
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: tough one. Best weapon a glove of knives or a machete,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: even though we know Jason didn't always only use the machete,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: but that was his main.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: So Freddy's glove still to this day freaks me out.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: That's all you got.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, what else is there, Freddy? Even now at
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: forty six years old, Freddie Glove of Knives still freaks
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: me out.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: There was that better?
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you added much more color there.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Justin uh So, although I think you could probably consider
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: the machete or even the acts he would use at times,
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: or many the other things maybe to be a.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: More effective tool for killing.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: I think I gotta edge it out with the glove
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: just because of creativity. He created it himself. He built
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: the glove himself. It's freaky looking. You just slide it
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: against metal to freak you out, like yeah, just to
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: play around. Then again, because he was a dream demon,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: it went along with that, just to get inside your
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: head and to creep you out. So I think for
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: that I have to give it to Freddy.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I also give it to the glove.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: And I think you bring up a good point there.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Freddy was more psychologically scary because he would mess with
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: your head, right, He'd play games with you. I'll call
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: you on the telephone, you know, scrape the knives against
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: something metal. So yeah, for sure, I'm going also with
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: the Glove of Knives, Okay, which one of the characters
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: racked up the highest body count in any single film,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: not altogether, but any single film.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Which character Jason?
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's probably closer in single film, but
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: I'm probably still gonna lean towards Jason, even if it's
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: by only a couple.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, you guys are both correct.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: It is Jason.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Do you want to guess what episode he got the most,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: and I'll let you know.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: He got eighteen eighteen Part three.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go. What did you say, lindsay?
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Part three?
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: Three?
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm kind of leaning towards. But man, hell,
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: why I'm over thinking. I'm gonna go part four?
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, see, I would have also went three or four. Uh,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: but I know the answer, and it's actually six and
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: eight where he got eighteen in each movie unless in
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: part eight you want to count the twenty nine students
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: on a ship when he sink it. But I'm not
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: counting that, all right. Next category, second to last, the
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: pent ultimate category, fashion slash costume. Do you like the
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: sweater in Fedora or the coveralls in hockey mask?
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: So that's why, And that Fedora that was ridiculous.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I was in fifth grade in class with the girl
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that had a Freddy sweater that she wore every other
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: day to school.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I always felt bad for her, have a feeling she
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: didn't get to say. So in that I gotta go
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: with Jason's outfit, I too.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Will go with the hockey mask and the coveralls. I
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: think the Freddy and the sweater and the fedora, I.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Mean that is kind of genius.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, the sweater and the fedora is freaky,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: especially when you add the glove of knives with it,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: and you probably saw more people dressed on Halloween as
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Freddie than you did as Jason. Right, But the hockey mask,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: to me is just so iconic, and like you said justin,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I believe it's the only reason why the franchise kept going.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: If he doesn't don that hockey mask in part three,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: then he then it doesn't make it. And I've got
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: a question for you after you after you answer.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, much like you guys, I think the hockey
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: mask kind of seals the deal here. But I will
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: also say that Jason takes on a couple different looks
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: throughout the series, because obviously he had the coveralls in
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: part seven eight and even goes to hell. But if
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: you remember in part six, it's actually my favorite look
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: of his. He not only obviously has the hockey mask,
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: but if you remember in that one, he has like
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: a button shirt. He has got like, I don't know,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: like a gray pair of like khaki pants. But the
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: best part about that movie is the tool belt. Do
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: you remember he wore the tool Oh.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: My gosh, I had forgotten about that. I've only seen
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: part six. I think one's justin so.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: That that tool and it's the it's the only one
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: that he also wears a pair of like leather work
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: gloves as well. What I love so much about it
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: is not only that it looks different than the rest
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: of them, but it's almost like, here's the Jason who.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: By the way, it's the first time we get the
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: back from dead Jason, to which I adore. But it
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: it's the idea that he looks like he's going to work,
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: and I don't know, I just love the like the
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: hot the Halloween costume that I wear when I'm Jason,
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: that's the one.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: It's Jason lives.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I got the belt, I got the gloves, I got
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: the machete, all that because I love the look of
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Jason going to work.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Jason go I like that.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: So I gotta ask you because we know that he
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: dons the hockey mask in part three, and we know
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: that he had like the potato sack or burlap sack
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: or whatever it was in part two, and it was
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: kind of tight around the neck, right, if I'm not mistaken,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: like with some kind of twine or something. Correct, what
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: was he wearing at the beginning of part three? Was
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: he still did he still have that burlap sack and
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: it got ripped off, and that's why he done the
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: hockey mask. I don't remember. It's been so long.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: From what I remember, I don't think he's wearing anything
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: on his head. I think they just kind of disguise
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: that you can't see his face until he finally and
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: he gets that hockey mask. Well, no, it does take
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: a while because Shelley, the character of Shelley's the one
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: that brings the hockey mask with him, and that's when
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: he gets it. But I think all the way up
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: to that point, they disguise his face where the camera
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: never kind of looks above like Sternham level. So I
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: think that's kind of how they work around that.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because I remember when he donned the hockey
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: mask and I was like, whoa, it was just so cool.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: To quote Jim Ross business picked up.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: All right. Final category before we get to our final judgment,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: who would you least want after you?
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Hmm by This is a tough one because Jason Vorhees
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: is a force.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: This guy's after me.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: I'm in trouble, like because he's already proved, especially when
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: he becomes supernatural.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: You can't outrun him. He's gonna find you.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: But what I will say about Jason, for the most part,
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: if you stay the hell away from Crystal Lake, okay.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: But then I guess an.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Argument could be made that if you're not one of
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: the Elm Street children, or if you're not one of
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: the children that were friends that got brought into a
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: nightmare and all that stuff, the essentially you might be
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: okay too.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: But if we just look at it, like I get popped.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Into one of these situations without me having a choice,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna say I want to stay the hell
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: away from Freddie because I think the fact, like Lindsay said,
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: you have to sleep and unless you have the power
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: to control those dreams and stop Freddie. You're kind of
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: at his mercy. You become, you know, very vulnerable, very quickly,
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: where with Jason, hopefully you're fast. You can run, you
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: can get a car, you can drive away and get
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: out of there. But with Freddie there's no escape. If
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: he controls your nightmares, you're in trouble.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I was thinking. You know, Okay,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I'll stay away from Jason. I just won't go to
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: summer camp. But at some point, no matter what I do,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: and no matter how many pepsis I drink, I'm gonna
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: doze off at some point, and that's where Freddy's gonna
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: get me.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking the exact same thing. I'm right there
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: with you guys. You got to go to sleep, you know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: And like Justin said, if you can't control those dreams,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: then you can't control those dreams. And with Jason, I
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: just feel like the woods is a big place. You know,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: you see him taking out your friend in the cabin.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: You're in the woods and you just take off, like.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: But they always trip.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I know, they always trip because the woods is full
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: of roots and stuff. But you know, I I have
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: an accurate It doesn't ever not start. It's not a
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Volkswagen Beetle that doesn't start in the eighties. So I
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: think I'm gonna be okay. So yeah, I'd least like
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Freddy after me. All right, So it's final judgment time.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Who was the winner? Who was the king of horror
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: going into the nineties? Make your case. Just don't give
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: me a a it was Jason or it was Freddy.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Make your case for it like that.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Uh, Justin could do that, you don't know.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure to do that.
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to do that.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, ask the question again, what what's the question? Because
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: now I'm nervous. I'm you won't like my answer. No,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: your third grade again. No, your answer is your answer.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: There is no right or wrong. Okay, all right, this
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: is just each one of us question who is the winner?
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Who was the king of horror going into the nineties.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I think Jason is more like classic horror, which there's
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: something to be said for that, like the Boogeyman in
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: the dark kind of a thing. But I'm gonna go
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: with Freddy because I feel like Freddie was the total
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: package and we had never seen a Freddie before.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: And that like he was broke the mold.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: It was unlike anything that us kids had ever seen
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: and more than what we could have ever have dreamed up.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no pun intendment. So I've got to go with Freddie.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: There was that long enough for.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: You, no comment, justin.
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: Can I go a couple of minutes?
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: You know what, I'm gonna go before you because I
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: feel like You're gonna be more eloquent than I am
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: and have more reasons than I do. So normally I
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: let the guests go first, but I'll go before you
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: just be I think you're gonna wrap it up the best.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: Okay, I am going it is.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: This one's a tough one for me because everything Lindsay
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: said is true. We had never seen anything like Freddie.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Freddie had a personality right, Freddie was full of jokes,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: but I felt like at the end of the eighties
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Freddie had become a joke. I am wearing a Red
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Camp Crystal Lake Counselor T shirt for a reason, and
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: that reason is because that man with his coveralls in
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: the hockey mask and.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Then later on with his tool belt going to work
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: was so dang.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Frightening to me as a kid, even as I got
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: up to be like thirteen fourteen, it was still frightening
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: to me. Jason scared the tar out of me. To me,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: he didn't talk right, He had no personality. He was
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: just a large, strong, agile, fast, killing machine. He didn't
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: have to use the machete. He could use a harpoon
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: because in three D that harpoon's coming right action, and
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Jason is the winner for me, justin take it away.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: All right, all right, thank you.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna try not to go too long, because
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: I could go pretty long here, because there's a lot
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: of things I want to say about both of these
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: fantastic Yeah, no, no, all right, thank you. These are
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: two fantastic horror characters, and you guys both made such
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: great points. I want to start with something Lindsay said.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: I love that you brought up to Jason's a lot
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: like the Universal Monsters, because he really is. And I
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: love that so much about his character because during the
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: decade of Excess that that wasn't necessarily common ground anymore.
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: Universal Monsters was old school.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: They no one cared anymore, but they but they utilized it,
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: and they leaned in on that a little bit, especially
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: when I look at Jason lives when I said about
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: how the whole Frankenstein's Monster thing was brought into which
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: was so cool. The stalking thing was very reminiscent of
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: a Frankenstein's Monster, and I love that so much about it.
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: So there's that great point.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: Then you guys both talked about the creativity of this
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: character of Freddy Krueger was like nothing ever in horror
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: up to this point. Sure was there creative horror villains
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: and characters in the seventies and early ages, absolutely, but
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: there was nothing ever quite like Freddy Krueger, and quite honestly,
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: there hasn't been one since, maybe one of the most
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: creative and innovative horror and antagonist and villains of all time.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: And then Jim made a great point until Freddy became
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: a joke, which, let us face it, he became a
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: Jason didn't do that. So I want to talk about
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: something outside of the movies. In addition to what these
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: characters were on screen, they became pop culture icons. Freddy
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: Krueger and Robert Englin as Freddy Krueger became a bonafide
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: rock star Injury Master. This guy was rapping with the
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: Fat Boys, Okay, this guy was on MTV. This guy
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: was hosting a TV show that was made in his honor.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: This guy was all over the place. He was no
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: longer a horror villain. He was a rock star. Let's
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: face it, there was Halloween costumes with this guy. He
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: was all over the place. And then again, like you
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: said on screen, in character, he became a joke. He
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: was no longer scary. He's throwing out one liners that
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: are bad, not even funny anymore. And then that series
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: kind of went out on a whimper. So let's look
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: at Jason, also an icon. The hockey mask. Jason takes Manhattan.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: He's in the big city. He's looking up at a
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: billboard that has a hockey mask. They're plying around with
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: that as he looks at the camera. He's got all
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: that going for him. On top of all that. In
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty nine, Jason Voorh's is on the Arcinio Hall
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: Show in full character, no dialogue.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: He just sits down and.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: Urcineo takes care of the rest and Caine Hodder stays
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: in character the whole time. This guy, in his own way,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: with saying no words at all, becomes an icon of
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: pop culture as well. So you got two iconic pop
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: culture characters in horror in the nineteen eighties, which one
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: is the King of horror. As we exit the eighties,
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: I gotta go Jason as well. So Freddie on screen
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: and in character, I feel like the dream Master was
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: his peak MTV time, the Freddie Nightmares comes out, and
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: then dream Child comes out and is not great, and
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: Freddie is a joke at this point and people have
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: had their fill of him.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: And even though.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: Jason with Jason takes Manhattan kind of we know it's
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: past its prime, they're both coming to their end. They're
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: both gonna have their final installments in a lot of ways,
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: before reboots and everything. I still feel at the end
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: of the eighties, Jason comes out in a much better light.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: I think he's still more iconic. Between the universal Monster thing,
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: between the fact that Jim said he's still scary and
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: all that stuff, I think he takes it.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: He's the King.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: He killed more, he stalked more, he went on quite
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: a journey as a character, and as innovatives as Freddie
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: was as a character, I think Jason takes it. And
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: on top of all that, I love Jason for he said,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: can't help it. He's my favorite character of all time,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: my boy Jason.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Very well sad.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the fact that you said that Freddie
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: was a rock star because he really was.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Like we would go to.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Fright Fest at six Flags, and there was always a
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Freddie there, Right, wasn't always a Jason, there wasn't always
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: a Michael Myers there, but there was always a Freddie there.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: So he was a rock star for a while. And
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I think if it stops at either Dream Warriors or
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Dream Maaster, I think Freddie maybe wins this category for me.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he did come with the bad one liners.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: It was almost like he had been watching, you know,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Arnold Schwarzenegger movies and thought he could one up Arnold
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: with his one liners. And yeah, it just kind of
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: became a joke. And that's why. And honestly, if I'm
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: being one hundred percent honest, even to me, and I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: know that you love it, but to me, Jason Goes
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: to Manhattan was a joke. But he still didn't talk,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: and he was still scary, and Freddy was no longer
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: scary to me anymore. So that's why I went with them.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: So Freddy just went a couple of movies too long?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just yeah, well yes for the eighties, just one
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: movie too long. But yeah, then he had what did
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: he have? Just one more? Was it? The Final Nightmare
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: was part six?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: Or well, well, well we have Freddy, we have Freddy's Dead,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: which to me is the worst one.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: I absolutely hate it.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: Robert England is awful and it the one liners are terrible,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: the makeup is awful. Freddy's Dead is an abomination. But
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: they do have the the movie Wes Craven's New Nightmare.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: Which is really good.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a great movie, but that's not really
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: Freddy Krueger. It's more of like this dream Demon in
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: like the Guys of Freddy Krueger. So it's a completely
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: different character. It's more meta. It's a great story. But yeah,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: like you said, when it comes to dream Child and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: Freddy's Dead, just it's the death of the character in
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: a lot of ways. And I think that's why New
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: New Nightmare worked because it was a completely different spin.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: Plus I didn't even really talk about Wes Craven the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: Master of Horror, which is a big reason why the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: first one's so great. But when Wes Craven comes back
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: in and does this brand new story using kind of
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: like the lineage of the characters in this series.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: It really worked out well, Yeah, I would.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Agree with that.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: What about Jason? Did they help because he had more movies?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: He did?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: Well? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: After they sent him the hell Jason came back and
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: he went to Space Baby, and it's a great.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: Movie that people hate.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: Jason X. Jason X is amazing. It's so campy, it's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: so bad.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: It's so weird, it's ridiculous.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: It's from two thousand and one. It's like nothing else.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: It is so freaking good. I would rather watch Jason
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: X than The Dream Child or Freddy's Dead any day.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: Jason X is awesome, very underrated.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Went to outer Space.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: He sure did, and he becomes Uber Jason, which is
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: a whole nother thing.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: You gotta see it to understand. It is amazing. It's amazing.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: I'm so confused.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: It's amazing in the so bad it's good territory. Plus
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: being a guy who loves the Alien series and is
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: kind of big into sci fi, it incorporates some of that.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: It's so much fun. I love it so much. I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: think I'm gonna go and watch Jason X after.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: I gotta know, did you like the reboot with Jared Padilaki.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: So I will say this because we haven't touched on that,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: And again, I know this is outside of what you
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: guys do with the eighties, But when you you made
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: the comparison of both films having their their reboots or
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: their remakes or whatever you want to call them. The
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Friday the thirteenth, two thousand and nine reboot, if you will,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: because I think it's more of a reboot than a remake,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: because that thing does some different things.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: I actually respect that movie.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of things I don't like about it,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: but there's a lot of things I really do like.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: For example, Derek Meers, who plays Jason, is incredible. Like
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: you want to talk about a force. He might be
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: the most intimidating Jason I've ever seen. He's so sudden
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: in that movie. His movements, the way he comes right
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: at the characters, the way they incorporate him using all
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: these different weapons is so is so great because it
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: brings up all the things that the character did throughout
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: the series. They pay homage to the Sack in the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: beginning he gets the mask, the hockey mask right away.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: It's an inspired reboot that I think has a lot
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: of merit. The Nightmare on Elm Street reboot in a
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: lot of ways his trash. It's not a good movie.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: Jackie Earlhley is a great actor, He's not great as
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: Freddy Krueger.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: It just is what it is.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, No one's quite Robert England. He doesn't have
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: the charm, I think charisma that was needed for the character.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: There's things the movie does that's interesting, like they do
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: these micro dreams things where I like that they play
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: around the idea that if you don't sleep, eventually your
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: mind's gonna start to slip in and out of consciousness
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: even when you're awake, and they play around with that,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: and the way they do it in the movie looks
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: really cool. But for the film in total, it's not
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: a great movie. And I think that's a big reason
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: why the Nightmare on Elm Street series has kind of
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: been dead since then. You could say the same with
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: Friday the Thirteenth. I don't know why we haven't gotten
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: a proper film. Eventually, as you said, a TV show
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: seems to be coming. I have reservations about what it's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: gonna be like though, I think it's gonna take itself
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: too serious.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: But in a nutshell, I know I went.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: Kind of long on this, but yeah, I think of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: the two, I really respect a lot of what they
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: did with the Friday the Thirteenth reboot, But the Nightmroure
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: on Elm Street remake, if I never see it again
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: in the rest of my life, that's okay.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: All right, There you have it.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Well, folks, we woult to know what you think. Who
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: was the king of horror going into the nineties? Who
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: was your favorite? You know, who was more iconic? Was
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: it the hockey mask? Was it the fedora in the sweater?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Was there a particular movie that you liked more than
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: the others? So to me, Nightmare the Original Nightmare is
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: the best movie on this list. But if I'm picking
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: a Friday the thirteenth, I'm probably going Part four, the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: final chapter. But you know, I could be arguing into
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: part three as well, So that's where I'm going. So, Lindsey,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: final thoughts.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: I think I'm ready.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: Let's go watch Jason next.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: No, let's go watch Jason Lives.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Jason Lives. Okay, Okay, yep, I can see that. I
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: may have given the theater my money for that one too.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: I know I gave it for part five for sure.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: So let's do Jason Lives and Dream Warriors.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Patricia Arcuatt's first movie, Dream Warriors.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: He's a great double feature.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: By the way, Dream Warriors and Jason Lives. Absolutely, that
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: might be our Halloween night.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: There you go?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: All right, well, justin why don't you plug your show?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: What do you got coming up? So this is gonna
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: air the Wednesday before Halloween, so you'll have an episode
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: that the next day, Thursday. So what do you got
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: coming up?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: So thanks again for having me. It's always a blast
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: talking you guys. I was so happy to come back.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: And as you can tell, I love Friday the thirteenth
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: to night Mere on Elm Street so much. I could
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: go on for hours and hours and hours, but I won't. Instead,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: why don't you go check out Pop Culture Reflections? And yes,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: I do have a finally in October because my October
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: has not been based on Halloween or horror because I've
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: not so much stuff in advance, but I am doing
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: a Halloween specific episode that will drop on that Thursday,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: and it's gonna be all about retro Halloween variety topics,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: all about like candy and trick or treating and and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: and a horror themed or I should see Halloween theme
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: songs kind of like you guys did, and then horror
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: movies and stuff like that. So it's a little bit
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: of a popoury Halloween episode that's coming up, so be
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: on the lookout for that. And then in November, I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: got a lot of stuff coming. I got some interviews
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: coming with some people. I got some movie reviews as always,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: I got another great pro wrestling show coming up. And
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: I am very excited to say that in when I
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: talked about interviews, I am interviewing a band that I
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: really love. And having the opportunity to sit sit down
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: with a band artist that you really enjoy is something
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: I never thought I was gonna be able to do
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: on my show. So that's coming up and the near future,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: so I'm really looking forward to that. And so yeah,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: please go check it out. And also the network I'm
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: part of, You Run Podcast Network, such great shows on there.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: Go check them out at you run podcast dot com.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: All right, awesome, Yeah, go check it out. Great show.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Love it if you like pop culture. Justin's always got
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: something for you, see, whether it's movies, music, television, you know,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: just pote puri, fun stuff, like he said for Halloween,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: always good stuff.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: Well, thank you.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: You can find us on all the socials Jim what's
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: our hand at Children of Underscore Eighties.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: You can also email us at Children of the nineteen
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Eighties at gmail dot com, although I do have to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: say that only besides Justin, only one other person has
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: ever emailed us, so I don't see that happening. But
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: we do get hit up on Twitter and Facebook and
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Instagram a lot, so that's always fun. So until next time,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I'm Jim
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: And I'm Lindsey, and we are Children of the Eighties.