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A Change of Course for Immigration Policy? · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 2: and look we got we got a lot today to
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  Speaker 2: kind of work through. I'm gonna I can't wait to
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  Speaker 2: talk to my colleague and friend, Hugh Hewett because he's
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  Speaker 2: critical of this possible Iranian deal that President Trump is floating.
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  Speaker 2: And we got two things I want to tackle with
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  Speaker 2: you today. Number one Iran and number two the dreaded
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  Speaker 2: a word amnesty, because there's reporting from the White House
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  Speaker 2: that there are top aids trying to convince President Trump
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  Speaker 2: to to back off the gas a little bit on
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  Speaker 2: the mass deportation policy, and Lord Ingram is freaking out.
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  Speaker 2: Others are freaking out. We're going to lose the midterms.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna lose the midterms. You know, I always go
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  Speaker 2: back to a simple rule. Trust Trump. I'm sorry, I
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  Speaker 2: maybe I sound like a sicko fan. When had you
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  Speaker 2: been wrong? Thank you? Trust him. He knows what he's
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  Speaker 2: doing domestic foreign policy. But Hugh argues, and that's why
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be great to have him on the show.
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  Speaker 2: And I appreciate him his uh, you know, the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to talk to him. He said, this is going to
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  Speaker 2: be a terrible deal. This would draw here's his complaint
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  Speaker 2: and I quote, this deal would draw fierce criticism from
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  Speaker 2: the GOP's Iran Hawks, who want President Trump to finish
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  Speaker 2: the job and do so in dramatic fashion. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know about you, Mark, but the fact that warhawks are
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  Speaker 2: going to be objecting to this deal doesn't make that
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  Speaker 2: necessarily a bad thing.
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  Speaker 1: No, it does not. In a weird way where everything's
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  Speaker 1: kind of relative. I consider myself kind of an Iran
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  Speaker 1: warhawk in the Hawks and Doves dichotomy. If hawkishness means
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  Speaker 1: being tough getting results given the old what or make
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  Speaker 1: him clear what you stand for? Haven't we kind of
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  Speaker 1: done that by the relative obliteration of their military?
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  Speaker 2: Well already, losk What do you want? Do you want
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  Speaker 2: to just turn Iran into a parking lot? Do you
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  Speaker 2: want to just turn it into a glass? Do you
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  Speaker 2: want to wipe out the millions of men, women and children?
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  Speaker 2: What's your goal? Hugh whit You know what I think
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  Speaker 2: it might be? What I think it might be? And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know? Ask him, ask him, ask him? How
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  Speaker 2: about see if he gets Tingley and Lindsey Graham too
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  Speaker 2: about the notion of one hundred thousand troops deployed in
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  Speaker 2: within the borders of Tehran. They like that?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that just wow, wow.
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  Speaker 2: I guess and guess what if that happens? Holy moly,
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  Speaker 2: we do not. But see, they don't get that. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think. I think that the neocons and the warhawks
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  Speaker 2: are absolutely fine with that. Look, let's let's play this out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's do this logically, you want regime change. You
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  Speaker 2: got to take out all the mullas you want to
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  Speaker 2: really really obliterate Iran. How you do that without boots
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  Speaker 2: on the ground. How are you gonna do that without
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  Speaker 2: putting our troops in harm's way, right on the ground
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  Speaker 2: in Iran. There's no other way to do that. And
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  Speaker 2: I and I'm glad you're right. That's going to be
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  Speaker 2: question number one, Hugh, Is that what you want? Because
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  Speaker 2: short of that, I just hate the fact that everybody
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  Speaker 2: bags on this president, this guy who's taking incoming from
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  Speaker 2: all sides all the time, and then our side gets all.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I love you. He's just like you
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  Speaker 2: and me. He's just another big mouth talk show host.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he didn't have access to military classified documents
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  Speaker 2: and briefings and all the things that Trump does. Trust
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  Speaker 2: the guy, would you let's get it's been six weeks,
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  Speaker 2: get off his back. Now people are going to get
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  Speaker 2: on his back if indeed he advances a compromise on
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  Speaker 2: the mass deportation policy. Here's the argument. The argument is
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  Speaker 2: most Americans thought we were going to go after the
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  Speaker 2: worst of the worst, that the bad guys, the bad
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  Speaker 2: ombres are the ones that are going to be targeted
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  Speaker 2: by Trump's deportation effort. Turns out everybody's getting swept up. Men, women,
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  Speaker 2: and children. You're here illegally. You're here illegally, and I
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  Speaker 2: totally get the fundamental argument, you got to obey our laws. Reportedly,
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  Speaker 2: White House officials are lobbying President Trump to come to
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  Speaker 2: some kind of a compromise where it goes back to
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  Speaker 2: focusing on the actual repeat criminals who are illegals, and
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  Speaker 2: there are plenty of those around, it seems, but leaving
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  Speaker 2: alone giving a path to at least residency for men, women,
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  Speaker 2: children who are here who aren't causing any trouble at all.
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  Speaker 2: Illegals who might be illegal, but they haven't broken the law.
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  Speaker 2: They've got a business, they've.
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  Speaker 1: Got That's where entering the country illegally was the only
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  Speaker 1: law they broke.
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  Speaker 2: All that's the only law they broke.
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  Speaker 1: No murder, no guardian nicking. That's the only one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead now, Laura Ingram argues, you want to
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  Speaker 2: be sure, do we lose in the midterms, go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and advance that policy. The counter argument, I would say, humbly,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we win the word winter midterms. If there's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of compromise going on here on the deportation.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred percent correct in the way that you Here's
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  Speaker 1: where it's really crazy making because one of two things
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  Speaker 1: is true and within the realm of clearly, the midterms
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  Speaker 1: are everything. The midterms are everything. So if Trump softens
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit, does that help us by making
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  Speaker 1: people think that he's not such an ogre? Or if
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  Speaker 1: he softens just a little bit, does that endanger us
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  Speaker 1: because the immigration hardliners go map surrenders underway.
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  Speaker 2: There you go. I mean that's what I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what you're true. See, here's what I think we do.
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  Speaker 2: The lower Ingram's and the Mike Gallaghers and the Mark
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  Speaker 2: Davises of the world. We preach to the choir we're in.
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  Speaker 2: We kind of are in our bubble, quite frankly and
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  Speaker 2: quite bluntly. But a whole lot of hard working Americans
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  Speaker 2: aren't plugged into this stuff as we are. And when
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  Speaker 2: they get a message, hey, the Trump administration is letting
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  Speaker 2: up off the gas a little bit and they're going
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  Speaker 2: to leave some of these people alone. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that it doesn't help us. I think it may very
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  Speaker 2: well help us.
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  Speaker 1: Now I was gonna say, there's something Gallagher esque about
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  Speaker 1: the notion that those of us in the front lines,
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  Speaker 1: the immigration hardliners, the rules or rules, donarg on it.
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  Speaker 1: We're totally right. But as you so often remind me
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  Speaker 1: and so often tell me, I mean because I can
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  Speaker 1: be kind of idealistic. I could be kind of a
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  Speaker 1: purist at times, and sometimes it's good to be that.
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  Speaker 1: But you're also you also tell me, Yeah, that's lovely, Mark,
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  Speaker 1: But we need to win. We gotta WHI a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: because have you seen the story of a woman named
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  Speaker 1: Menu Batra, a fifty three year old Indian origin court interpreter.
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  Speaker 1: She was in ice custody for like six weeks and
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  Speaker 1: just she didn't look like anything like the worst of
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  Speaker 1: the worst. But I'm watching the coverage and I'm just asking,
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  Speaker 1: was she in the country illegally or not? Was she
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  Speaker 1: in the country illegally or not? If he answers yes,
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  Speaker 1: then maybe we got to do something.
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  Speaker 2: And I know how, and I know how our audience
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  Speaker 2: is going to react, Mark. They're going to see it
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  Speaker 2: like the game not out. So hell no to amnesty.
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  Speaker 1: You're not wrong and they're not wrong.
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  Speaker 2: They're not wrong.
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  Speaker 1: There we get all soft on the nice fifty three
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  Speaker 1: year old lady ding Ding Ding. Everybody knows. All I
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  Speaker 1: gotta do is get into the country overstay my visa,
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  Speaker 1: be nice, don't you don't kill anybody, and I'll be
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  Speaker 1: good to go.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, by being here illegally, they are
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  Speaker 2: consuming our resources, they are taking our healthcare system, they
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  Speaker 2: are taking our agin cacial lot. All right, we got
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  Speaker 2: No, No, on the Mark Davis Show.
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  Speaker 1: That would be the Mark Davis Show. Thanks, Doc had
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  Speaker 2: But what are the jobs report? Just the job's report
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  Speaker 2: just came out, okay, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: The nervousness was that high gas prices and war would
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  Speaker 1: be suppressive, and I was prepared to endure that this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be another thing. It was like, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's wartime. Things are tough. I was ready
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  Speaker 1: for a job's report that was going to be underwhelming.
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  Speaker 2: But they were expecting maybe fifty five thousand jobs. That
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  Speaker 2: was the expectation creating a payroll. Employment was up by
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  Speaker 2: AE hundred and fifteen thousand jobs in April, crushing expectations.
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  Speaker 2: the guy. Yep, the jobs report just came out, one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen thousand. That I'll put a smile on
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