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SMNTY Classics: Scream · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stefan
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  Speaker 1: never told you a protection of iHeartRadio. And this week
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  Speaker 1: you are getting a classic on an off day, a
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  Speaker 1: non classic day, because we have a Spoiled Saturdays coming
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  Speaker 1: up this week.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and it is. I was like, I won't tell
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  Speaker 2: them what it is, but because of this classic, you
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  Speaker 2: know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is Scream six. We are talking about Scream six,
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  Speaker 1: and we might be embarking on a whole Scream journey,
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  Speaker 1: so wait to listen out for more about that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very excited.
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  Speaker 1: And I was telling Samantha because this classic is about
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two Scream five. It's usually just called Scream,
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  Speaker 1: but it is Scream five. And I was telling Samantha
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  Speaker 1: about how fun I had revisiting these, like I get
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  Speaker 1: nervous for some reason when I engage with something I love.
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  Speaker 2: Either I won't love it as much.
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  Speaker 1: Or sometimes I just get like I know it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: get me so excited and it's an.
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  Speaker 2: Energy thing coming on. I don't know if I'm in
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  Speaker 2: a place where I can get that excited, and sometimes
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I just get sad about things I love.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: It's an odd behavior that I have, but I had
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  Speaker 1: a blast revisiting that.
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  Speaker 3: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I had such a good time. So I hope you listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you don't, if this isn't your thing, you'll
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  Speaker 1: at least enjoy how excited I am and our conversation
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  Speaker 1: as always. But yes, in preparation for Scream six, we
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  Speaker 1: thought we would bring back our episode we did about
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  Speaker 1: Scream five. Please enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steff.
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  Speaker 1: I've never told you a protection of iHeartRadio, and it's
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  Speaker 1: time for another feminist movie Friday. I am so excited
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  Speaker 1: about this one. This one's very indulgent. I'll admit this
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  Speaker 1: one is something that I really wanted to do. Because
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  Speaker 1: today we're going to be doing a comparison of the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six Scream, the original Scream, and the newest
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  Speaker 1: Scream Scream twenty twenty two are Scream five. All those
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  Speaker 1: pretty considered also Scream confusingly enough, but there will be
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  Speaker 1: spoilers for that, and there will be spoilers for all five.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you right now, so if
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  Speaker 1: you want to wait, I know the news Scream just
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  Speaker 1: came out on streaming. Go check it out, then come
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  Speaker 1: back because got a lot of thoughts. Got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of thoughts about it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh she does. And I mean like the day she watched,
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  Speaker 3: I was getting texts like, oh my god, it's these
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  Speaker 3: these things and I can't wait for you to watch it.
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  Speaker 3: So I definitely had to watch this with her, the
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  Speaker 3: newest scream. Actually I watched the third one with you
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  Speaker 3: as well, because I just never got into it and
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  Speaker 3: you're like, but but and so we'll get to watch
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  Speaker 3: that as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the only one our mystic is for. And I'll
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  Speaker 2: get you one day, Samantha. I'll get you one day. Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 1: We are gonna be talking about death and sexual assault
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  Speaker 1: and violence. Nothing too graphic, but that's kind of what
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  Speaker 1: is going on in these movies. Also, Samantha, are you impressed?
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  Speaker 1: I kept the outline short.
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  Speaker 3: I assumed you did this and in the idea that
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  Speaker 3: when we start talking about it, it's gonna double, if
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  Speaker 3: not trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Samantha gave me very strict instructions and I did my
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  Speaker 1: best to follow them.
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  Speaker 3: About the link, I was like, look, we're going to
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  Speaker 3: do this, and I'm excited for you to do this,
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  Speaker 3: but if you don't, I'm going to take these other
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  Speaker 3: things away from me, and I'm gonna do it for you.
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  Speaker 2: You our work relationship balance each other out.
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  Speaker 3: It's perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, indeed, see our past episodes on Final Girls, Survival, Horror,
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  Speaker 1: Why Didn't You Believe Her? And especially Scream Queens, which,
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  Speaker 1: as Samantha properly commented on in that episode, was kind
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  Speaker 1: of a trojan horse for me to get to talk
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  Speaker 1: about Sidney Prescott, who I was arotagonist.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a trick.
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  Speaker 1: I just.
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  Speaker 2: Thought I went wild, Samantha. I couldn't stop.
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  Speaker 3: This is one of those like I'll take this, You
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  Speaker 3: take these two, and I'll take the majority of it
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  Speaker 3: because I know what these two will do to the outline.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a lot of feels about Sidney Prescott.
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  Speaker 2: I love her so much, so me feels.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and we are going to talk about some of that,
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  Speaker 1: even though yes, I really did go on and on
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  Speaker 1: about it in our Scream Queen's episode, So definitely listen
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  Speaker 1: to that one as kind of a companion to this one. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I know there are some really terrible people associated with
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  Speaker 1: some of these and we are going to talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: I did talk about it in the Scream Queen's episode,
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  Speaker 1: especially about how I think Scream three and me and
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  Speaker 1: others think Scream three is about Harvey Weinstein, who is
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  Speaker 1: listed as an executive producer for the first four. So
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  Speaker 1: we will talk about that, but first let's break down
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  Speaker 1: the plot, starting with the original Scream, which was a
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six meta slasher comedy movie directed by Wes
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  Speaker 1: Craven and written by Kevin Williamson. It stars Nev Campbell
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  Speaker 1: as high schooler and final girl Sidney Prescott, Courtney Cox's
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  Speaker 1: news anchor, Gail Weathers. And yes, the names are excellent,
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  Speaker 1: they are so funny. David Arquette as Deputy Dwight Dewey,
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  Speaker 1: Riley Rose McGowan as his sister Tatum, also Sidney's best friend,
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Kennedy as movie lover Randy Meeks, Matthew Lillard as
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  Speaker 1: Tatum's boyfriend and killer Stumacher, Skeet Ulrich as Sydney's boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: and also killer Billy Loomis, and Drew Barrymore as Casey Becker.
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  Speaker 2: And it is very very nineties. It is so very nineties.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it was coming off the height of Party
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  Speaker 3: of five, so nev Campbell was already a big ninety
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  Speaker 3: star and I guess we're around the craft too. So
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  Speaker 3: like this, this is her moment to shine.
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  Speaker 2: Yes and shine she did, I say.
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  Speaker 1: Sidney Prescott, Campbell's character is a high schooler at Wisboro
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  Speaker 1: High whose mother, Maureen, has been violently raped and murdered
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  Speaker 1: a year before the movie starts. Sidney testified at the trial,
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  Speaker 1: and the murderer was determined to be caught and weary,
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  Speaker 1: played by Leav Schreiber, a man her mother had been
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  Speaker 1: cheating with. It was a highly publicized trial that caught
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  Speaker 1: nationwide attention, and many victim blamed her mom, calling her
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  Speaker 1: a slut.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, she deserved it, she brought it on herself.
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  Speaker 1: After two of Sidney, the peers are murdered by a
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  Speaker 1: killer in a ghost face mask, including Drew Barrymore. In
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  Speaker 1: a very graphic opening scene which introduced the famous what's
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  Speaker 1: your favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Scary movie line?
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  Speaker 1: A curfew is introduced and gossip and finger pointing goes rampant.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's a suspect, with many thinking that Sydney's snapped on.
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  Speaker 2: The anniversary of her mother's death.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you've got her boyfriend Billy, who's pressuring her to
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  Speaker 1: have sex, something Sydney is reluctant to do because of
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  Speaker 1: what happened to her mother.
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  Speaker 2: Now people talk about her like being this slut.
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  Speaker 1: Billy also compares his mother leaving his dad and leaving
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  Speaker 1: town to Sydney's mother's death, which does not go over
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  Speaker 1: well with Sydney. If you can imagine, Sydney's father goes
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  Speaker 1: out of town, leaving her home alone when she gets
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  Speaker 1: a phone call that she thinks is a prank call.
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  Speaker 1: And this is when she quits about horror movies. They're
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  Speaker 1: all the same, some big breasted bimbo running up the
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  Speaker 1: stairs instead of going at the front door.
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  Speaker 2: It's insulting.
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  Speaker 1: She is attacked by the killer, who seemingly disappears just
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  Speaker 1: for Billy to show up. Sydney starts to suspect it's him,
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  Speaker 1: who is arrested and taken in for questioning. Sidney decides
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  Speaker 1: to spend the night with her friend Tatum, and before
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  Speaker 1: she goes, as she's leaving the police station, she punches
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  Speaker 1: a very persistent Gale Weathers in the face because Weathers
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  Speaker 1: is critical of Sidney's testimony against Cotton Weary and believes
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  Speaker 1: that he was wrongfully convicted, that the killer is still
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  Speaker 1: out there. She wrote a tell all book about the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. While at Tatum's, Sidney gets a call from
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  Speaker 1: the killer, leading her to believe that Billy can't be
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  Speaker 1: the person who attacked her.
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  Speaker 3: Right, And in gil Weather's book, she does kind of
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  Speaker 3: perpetuate that the mom was at fault, right, That's why
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  Speaker 3: she really disliked her. Not at fault, but like she
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  Speaker 3: wasn't necessarily a.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, that's the reason that Sidney really really
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  Speaker 1: really doesn't like it because she sort of played up
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  Speaker 1: like the whole rape aspect that maybe it wasn't rape
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  Speaker 1: and maybe they we're having a consensual affair right at
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  Speaker 1: that Cidy did not like that message.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this kind of goes into because I want
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  Speaker 3: to say it wasn't necessarily the beginning, but like definitely
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  Speaker 3: a good high point for true crime things like the
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  Speaker 3: things that Gilwhethers was doing in which we see now
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  Speaker 3: not now, but we're paying attention more to the fact that, hey,
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  Speaker 3: the families should have a little more to say and
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  Speaker 3: we should really care about the victims' families and what
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  Speaker 3: they're going through. So it kind of was like meta
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  Speaker 3: in that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, even absolutely we're going to talk about that too,
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  Speaker 1: because I got some more thoughts about that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, got so many thoughts. So after the principal of
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  Speaker 3: the school is murdered, yes, everybody's just dying, school is canceled,
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  Speaker 3: and of course the kids decide to break curfew and
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  Speaker 3: throw a party at Stew's house because what else do
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  Speaker 3: you do, you know, people runt or die, Let's have
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  Speaker 3: a party. This is where Randy lays out the rules
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  Speaker 3: of surviving a horror movie. So like, that's we'll be
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  Speaker 3: ingrained in my mind the scene. No sex, so don't
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  Speaker 3: show your tests for women obviously, which she does. Uh oh,
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  Speaker 3: no alcohol or drugs, and never say I'll be back.
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  Speaker 2: I still have trouble saying that. Actually, what if.
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  Speaker 3: I say I'll be right back, that's even worse, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So carty members start getting picked off one by one,
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  Speaker 3: including Tatum, who is crushed, yes, crushed by a garage door.
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  Speaker 3: Of course that was also like another fear instilled between
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  Speaker 3: that and final destination of like all these inanimate things
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  Speaker 3: I'd never thought about before, Yeah, petrified. Meanwhile, Gail secretly
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  Speaker 3: put a camera in the home or where the party
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  Speaker 3: is being held. And she and Dewey go to investigate
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  Speaker 3: an abandoned car they think belongs to Sydney's dad oh Gil.
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  Speaker 3: Then comes the famous Act three. Sidney has sex with
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  Speaker 3: Billy and then Randy and do we get stabbed? Then
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  Speaker 3: girl's in a car crash, and then Sidney discovers that
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  Speaker 3: Billy and Stu are the killer, and that Sydney's mom
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  Speaker 3: had been having sex with Billy's dad, and that he
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  Speaker 3: blames that fact that that's why his mom left, So
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  Speaker 3: he actually killed Sydney's mom. Stu says he just succumbed
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  Speaker 3: to peer pressure, but you know, he actually really likes it.
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  Speaker 3: And they revealed they have her dad tied up in
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  Speaker 3: the closet and are going to kill her, kill him,
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  Speaker 3: stab themselves, and be the sole survivors, blaming it on
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  Speaker 3: her dad. Sidy manages to get away after they stab themselves,
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  Speaker 3: and Gel distracts them, calling them with their own voice
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  Speaker 3: modulator and toy with them. She kills Stu and with
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  Speaker 3: the help of Gel, Billy too, and Gel reports on
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  Speaker 3: the scene as the movie ends, Yes, literally like she's
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  Speaker 3: brushing herself off, which, by the way, again we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: talk about this in the newer version. I'm like, they've
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  Speaker 3: all been pretty much stabbed and shot and beaten, and
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  Speaker 3: they're all, Okay, we're shoulna send you home. What world
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  Speaker 3: is this?
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, whatever, Yes, this is just so.
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  Speaker 1: This movie when it came out, was a commercial and
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  Speaker 1: critical success. It's credited with revitalizing the horror genre in
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties with its satirical tongue in cheek nature
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  Speaker 1: and witty dialogue. It created a whole legion of passionate
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  Speaker 1: fans and inspired four sequels on a Show So Far
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  Speaker 1: and another movie is already in the works. Brief rundown
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  Speaker 1: of the other movies. The second one has a lot
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  Speaker 1: of boyfriend trauma and one of the killers is Billy's mom.
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  Speaker 1: The third one is all about how Sidney's mom was
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  Speaker 1: sexually abused while pursuing acting in Hollywood, had a son
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  Speaker 1: she gave up, and this son went to Billy and
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  Speaker 1: gave him the push to kill Maureen Sydney's mom and
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  Speaker 1: is the killer in the third one. And in the
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  Speaker 1: fourth Sidney writes a book about her speriences, and the
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  Speaker 1: killers are a movie fan and Sydney's cousin who wants
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  Speaker 1: to be the New City.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one I didn't watch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've actually like watched it twice recently now, so
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  Speaker 1: it's fresh on my mind. I got some thoughts about
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  Speaker 1: it too, which brings us to the newest one, Scream
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two or Scream five. And yes, they make
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  Speaker 1: fun of using the same title in the movie, because,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you haven't picked up on it, these
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  Speaker 1: movies are so so meta. They're so meta, so they
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  Speaker 1: do make fun of using the same title within them.
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  Speaker 1: So Scream twenty twenty two or Scream five is a
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  Speaker 1: horror slasher comedy meta movie from Yes twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: directed by Matt Bettanelli Olpen and Tyler Galette or Gillette
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  Speaker 1: I Hope I'm getting the right ooh, and written by
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  Speaker 1: James Vanderbilt and Guy Busick. In addition to legacy characters Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: Gale and Dewey, with Campbell Cox and Arequtt reprising their roles,
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  Speaker 1: the movie stars Melissa Barrera as Samantha Carpenter, Jack as
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  Speaker 1: Richie Kersh, Mikey Madison is Amber Freeman, Jenna Ortega as
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  Speaker 1: Tara Carpenter, Dylan Manette as we Was Hicks, Jasmine that
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  Speaker 1: Savoy Brown as Mindy meeks Martin, Mason Gooding as Chad
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  Speaker 1: meets Martin, and Skeetrich reprises his role as Billy Loomis
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  Speaker 1: and Easter Eggs saus I just watched this again too.
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  Speaker 1: Hayden Pantier's character Kirby from Scream four, who is a
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  Speaker 1: fan favorite, is revealed to be alive.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, I ass part.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's like a it's there's a part where they're
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  Speaker 1: watching like a review of stabb e and in the
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  Speaker 1: back there's a freeze frame of like the YouTube page
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, if you like this, watch also and
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  Speaker 1: it has a thumbnail that says survivor Kirby whatever comes
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  Speaker 1: back to talk about her experience.
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  Speaker 2: So yay, I always hated she died and Scream four Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And also a bunch of actors from the first one
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  Speaker 1: provide voiceover during the party scene, including Drew Barrymore and
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Lillard. And Matthew Lillard is also the voice of
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  Speaker 1: Stab eight's killer because they show a clip from Stab eight.
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  Speaker 3: Oh it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: And also director Ryan Johnson, which we're going to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: but that kind of settles some a question I had
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  Speaker 1: when you and I were talking about this, Samantha, Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, does that make it feel better? Now? About it?
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  Speaker 1: Better?
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  Speaker 3: Listeners when you find out what we're talking about. She
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  Speaker 3: was having a moment of dilemma.
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  Speaker 1: I was having a crisis. So the movie opens twenty
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  Speaker 1: five years after the first one, back in Woodsboro, high
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  Speaker 1: school student Tyer Carpenter is attacked in her home by
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  Speaker 1: a killer in a ghost face mask. After this killer
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  Speaker 1: quizzes her over the phone about STAB movie trivia, and
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  Speaker 1: STAB is the in universe movies that are based on screen,
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  Speaker 1: so it's like a movie series about scream within scream
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  Speaker 1: right makes sense?
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  Speaker 3: Right? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Tara survives and is hospitalized, and one of her friends
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  Speaker 1: contacts her stranged older sister Sam, who's out Modesto California,
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  Speaker 1: and Sam returns to Woodsboro with her boyfriend Ritchie, who
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  Speaker 1: seems unaware of the Woodsboro killings and the STAB movies
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  Speaker 1: that are based on them.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, at this point there are eight of these
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  Speaker 2: STAB movies.
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  Speaker 1: At the hospital, Samantha is reunited with Tara's friend group,
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  Speaker 1: Amber Wes, twins Mindy and Chad, who are the niece
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  Speaker 1: and nephew of Randy Meeks. From the first three and
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  Speaker 1: Chad's girlfriend Live. That night, Tara's friends are at a
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  Speaker 1: bar discussing suspects, which is like a key thing in
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  Speaker 1: all these movies.
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  Speaker 2: They have the scene where they're all.
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  Speaker 1: Like it did it could be you, which is one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite things of these when, unbeknownst to them,
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  Speaker 1: Live's ex boyfriend, who also happens to be a relative
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  Speaker 1: of Stumacher, which was one of the killers from the
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  Speaker 1: first movie, is murdered by ghost Face. Later, Samantha's in
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  Speaker 1: the Hut the hospital breakroom, taking some pills when she
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  Speaker 1: sees the memory of Billy Loomis hovering over her shoulder.
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  Speaker 1: He speaks to her a moment before Sam is attacked
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  Speaker 1: by ghost Face. She manages to get away and reveals
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  Speaker 1: to Tara the reason she changed, became distant towards Tara,
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately why she left, is that when she was
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  Speaker 1: thirteen and Tara was eight, Samantha discovered from her mom's
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  Speaker 1: diaries that she was in love with Billy Loomis, the
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  Speaker 1: other serial killer from the first one, had an affair
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  Speaker 1: with him, and that.
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  Speaker 2: He was actually Sam's father.
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  Speaker 1: Sam confronted her mother about it, and her father, who
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  Speaker 1: hadn't known. Hear's the argument and leaves. Her mother blames
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  Speaker 1: Samantha for her father leaving and never treated her the same,
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  Speaker 1: all while Sam struggled with the fact that her father
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  Speaker 1: was a serial killer, her hallucinations a manifestation of her
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  Speaker 1: guilt and fear she'd end up like him. Shocked and hurt,
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  Speaker 1: Tara angrily orders Sam to leave. Sam finds Richie outside
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  Speaker 1: the door, and he admits he overheard the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: They decide to visit an expert on ghost face killings, Dewey,
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  Speaker 1: who is now divorced from Gail, retired, are pretty much
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  Speaker 1: fired and living in isolation. He reluctantly and grumpily gives
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  Speaker 1: them advice and telling Sam to never trust the love
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  Speaker 1: interest and to look at her sister's close group of friends.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: After they leave, Dewey contacts Sidney, who is married to Mark,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: which is Patrick Dempsey from the Third One.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: From this third one, we didn't know well.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I could remember his name, so I had to look
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: it up. But yes, it is.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Him, and they have kids together, and Dewey tells her
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: there's another killer on the loose and stay away from Woodborough.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: She's like, no offense I'm never coming near that town again.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Then Dewey texts Gail the same thing, complete with smiley face.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: He then goes with Sam and.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Ritchie to the Miex's house, where he is reunited with
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Randy's sister and Randy's niece, and Randy's niece lays out
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: the rules of a recall, which we've talked about, but yes,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it's not quite a reboot, not quite a sequel.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: And during this there is a direct call.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Out to Ryan Johnson, who directed The mush Malign Stab
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: eight in This Universe and The Last Jedi, which is
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the eighth movie of the Skywalker series, which Rian Johnson
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: actually did right. Johnson actually did interact. There's talk of
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Mary Sues and fan fiction. There's a great line where
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Deui says, maybe you're the killer because that cut deep
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Mindy claims that Samantha is not only the Mary Sue,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the main character, she also makes the most sense as
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the killer.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: There are so many things that throughout this movie, I
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: was like, this doesn't make sense, this seems unnecessary, what
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: is happening? But we will get it all into that
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: just yet, because I'll like the whole like serial killer myth,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: because you and I talked about it for a minute.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: I was like, ye, but Billy wasn't your typical serial killer.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: He was very much focused on torturing Sydney as a whole,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: not necessarily doing a specific thing because he was driven
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: by it. So I was like, this doesn't align to
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: that necessarily. He was just like, sure, he could be
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: triggered and they start things, and who knows if he
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: had been alive, had he continued, I don't know, but
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: there was a lot of questions in my head, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I'm like, so, is Sam really susceptible to being a
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: serial killer?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Too?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Which is her fear and shame?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I think this is awesome because you watch a lot
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: of true crime, and I was time.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: There were so many things.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: She was trying to psychically analyze, all the characters. I
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: don't think.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Because we'll talk about the ending, because I had some
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: some theories about the ending. But okay, here we go.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: So several more deaths follow, all with connections to past murders.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: After Wes and his mother, Judy Hicks, are killed, which
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: by the way, bothered me the most of the entire movie.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I think the entire build up to that, I was like,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: why this is I'm so unnecessary, you don't have to
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: kill them, Like, I get killing, I get it, but whye,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: and then Gil is reunited with Dewey. Oh also that
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: part about the fact that Judy got murdered on her
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: lawn in broad daylight after she had the sirens on
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: and jumps out of her car like no one noticed. Okay,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: cool anyway, So Gil is reunited with Dewey and he
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: reveals he just couldn't hack it in New York and
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: left in the middle of the night. It's very sad.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Sam realizes no one is protecting her sister and the hospital,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: and she and Dewey high tail it over there, right
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: because all of the cops showed up to you know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: because Judy Hicks was the sheriff. They needed to find
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: out what was happening, came to that site, but they
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: was like, oh no, who's protecting my sister? And apparently,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: you know, no one. Tara and Ritchie are attacked, but
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Sam and Dewey get there in time to save them.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: But when Dewey goes back to confront the killer, he
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: is murdered, with the killer saying it's an honor.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I had a lot of issues I'm like, there's no way, hey,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: this could have happened. I know Willing's suspension of disbelief,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: but I just just could not. This is probably why
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I can't watch stab like murder, like gory horror movies
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: like this doesn't make sense physically, this does not make sense.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I still hold you that this brings Sydney into town,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: and she tries to tell Sam that the killer is
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: not going to stop hunting her even if she leaves Witsboro,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: but Sam disagrees, and she, Ritchie and Tara get into
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: the car to book it out of there. However, Tara
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: can't find her in Haler and yes, it's one of
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: the big things. She has to have her in Haler
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: or she's going to die. So they have to stop
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: at Amber's house, which they're like, oh, yeah, I have
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: one at Amber's house the friend for her to get
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: her spare one. And so they arrive trying to get this.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Of course there's a party, why because there's always a party.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: So Sydney and Gail follow them, and they realize that
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Amber's house was once Stubacher's house where the original Woodsboro
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: bloodbath took place. And Yes, and I talked about the
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: fact that we knew that basement. I was like, this
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: looks familiar because I started asking about the garage kill
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: when they were down there, and I was like, huh,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: ye had to tell me. So Amber is throwing a
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: party but kicks everyone out when Tara, Sam and Richie arrive.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Chad and Mindy are both attacked by ghost Face, and
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Live suddenly appears after having left earlier, and Amber shoots
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: her in the head, yes, revealing herself to be the
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: killer dut dot dut by the way, I guess that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Ritchie and Sam flee, and Richie tells Sam he thinks
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Tara is Amber's accomplice. Sam disagrees and leaves him to
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: search for her, finding her tied up in a closet,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: just as Sidney's dad had been in the first one,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: and then she hesitates to untie her.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Amber shoots an injureds Gale. Richie stabs Sam and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: reveals to her that he is actually Amber's accomplice.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I called that one too.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: They force Sidney and Sam into the kitchen, revealing they
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: are STAB movie fans that met on Reddit who are
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: disappointed with Stab eight and want to provide new source
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: material to get the franchise back on track, bringing back
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the original cast with Sam as the killer. However, Sam
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: reveals she untied Tara and Tara attacks Amber. Sam attacks Richie,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and Amber falls on the stove and Gail shoots her,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: lighting her on fire. Sam is injured but manages to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: get Amber's knife and tells Richie she is introducing a
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: new rule, never with the daughter of a serial killer,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and stabs him multiple times, shooting him for good measure.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Amber runs at them for a final attack, but is
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: shot by Tara. The Meeks twins and Tara are taken
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to the hospital, Sam accompanying Tara. Gail decides and not
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to write about the killers, instead to write a book
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: about Dewey. The movie ends with an anchor reporting on
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the events outside of the house, just like the first
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: one did. And this is one of many many things
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: where the first one and this one mirror each other.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: And this is where I say, Okay, now you've got Sam.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: If she's truly this, you know, if we were watching
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Criminal Minds, she truly has whatever serial killer jeanes, which
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: is kind of what her how she's been upset with
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: and like I don't want to be this person, like
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: after stabbing him multiple times. That just opened up the floodgates.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So just saying yes, well, it's interesting because as I said,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: they're already making the next one, and the actor who
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: plays Sam said she wants to explore her dark side.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: So who knows she began well.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Exploring that dark side.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about this morning because I
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: know I've said it multiple episodes, but her story mirrors
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: that Ovray from the sequel trilogy of Star Wars, who
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: was Palpatine's granddaughter and had like this like evil jeans
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: and heavy quotes, but kind of this history and this
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: pressure perhaps hanging over her to become dark and she
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: did it.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And I can't wait to talk about that. One of
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: my favorite things about this whole thing.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: But first I wanted to talk about trauma because one
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: of the things I know I've said it before, but
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I watched this movie the first one way too young.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I watched it when I was nine years old, and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it had the soundtrack. I
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: still remember all the songs, and I really loved Sydney,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and I love how they have done a good job,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, with that character and that she's she's
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: funny and smart and capable, but she has this trauma,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: like you see.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Her trauma throughout, and like in the.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Third one, she's working for like she's isolated and she's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: working for this like mental health hotline. And then the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: fourth one, she wrote this book out of darkness, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that reminded me of what you were talking about, Samantha,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: and that episode we kind of did, which is who
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: makes the money off of these tragedies?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Who gets to tell the story?
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: In the fourth one, she says the reason she did
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: it was she was tired of everyone else telling the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: story and she wanted to take control. She wanted to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: feel this semblance of control over it. And then, of course,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: on her first on her stuff at Whisper on the
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: book tour, someone gets murdered and then the whole thing.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and Alison bringes her agent in that one.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: By the way, Oh that's funny. Yeah.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I do like talking about the old actors who you
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: were like didn't know at that point in time, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: then you come back and revisit and you're like, oh
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: my god, that's so and so and so and so.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: That's my favorite like game to play with everyone because
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: no one really recognizes. And then I'm like, that person
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: wasn't this? That person wasn't that the being? Like maybe
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: the random character and supernatural that no one else saw.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Was like, they're for like fifteen seconds. But I love it, Like,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: good on them, good on them.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: They made it can confirm Samantha does this.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I was so lucky to watch this in a drive
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: through and just have a wonderful being experience with it
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: because the newest one starts out with trivia about the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: STAB movies, because they always open with like, what's your
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: favorite scary movie? And then asking these questions, and this
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: one opens with Stab movie trivia, which is like meta
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: within meta, Like it's so and when she's scrolling Terras
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: scrolling through because she's kind of cheating and she's looking
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: on her phone and she's scrolling through the like IMDb page,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, the cast is a STAB and it's
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: like Heather Graham and David Swimmer and.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Luke right, I remember Luke Wilson and then Janna Pinkett
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Smith was one of the actual characters in Scream in
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: the second one.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Correct, yes, yes, okay.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I try to remember all of that that was that
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: because she was the first death scene.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Second one.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh, okay, okay, like they were the two
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: like just like that Drew Barry Moore where they had
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the big actors and you really think they're going to
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: be a part of the movie and then you're like, what.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's I was thinking about that because we
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: were watching this together and we were talking about how
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: brutal the kills are in this new one. Yeah, but
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about the first one in those are
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: pretty brutal, like the way.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Barry died that you won't But the thing is that
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: they usually like pan away and you hear it more
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: so than anything else. On the newer stuff, they actually
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: show you, like the knife going through, so you're like,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready, I will say. And
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: then going back to what you were saying about the trauma,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I do like the lead up into I Know You
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: You Again, Love Sydney, the character of Sydney, and then
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: the fifth one was a nice like I don't know
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: if it's about out as in like she might pop up,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: but it's obvious this is no longer her story, and
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: that it's kind of where we all are with our trauma,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Like she definitely went through all of the steps. Seemingly
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: we never do see her go through therapy, but I
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: hope she did. But like just to the point of like,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: all right, I'm here, I made it and I'm ready.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: I will defend who I am and who you are.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, That's one of the things I loved about it too,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: because you know, there is all this commentary on franchises
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and kind of the issue with franchises that we've talked
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: about also a lot where we can't let these characters go.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And I even if I love a character, I want them.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I want them to go be happy.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I don't want her, yes, And but I do love
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: how she came back and she gave advice and she
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: was kind of a steady like, yeah, I'm going to
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: be here for you, but it's not really like about me, right,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and which I really appreciate. And also I kind of
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: cracked up now knowing that she did marry Mark from
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the third one, who was a detective. I can just
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: imagine him being like, are you serious You're going back?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Stop?
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Please stop going back? Done this.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I keep having to tell.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: And so I'm yeah, Like you were saying that this
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: is becoming a new franchise ish with the same names. Again,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: we've seen that with so many others, which is kind
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: of that meta talk within Scream. It was produced by
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Kevin Williamson in this one as well, so it was
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: the same producer, new directors, obviously new writers. And you
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: are telling me that they did this because they loved
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Scream and was like, hey, we would have an opportunity
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: to take another shot, here's take another stab. The fact
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: that Kevin Williamson was like, yeah, I'm cool with it,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: let's go, and it was, like it said in memory
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: of Wes Craven. It was interesting to see that. But yeah,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: I think it's I can't imagine how this can get
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: stretched out more. But I guess there's been enough time
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: that maybe the newer generation that have never seen Scream,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: so they're gonna say a newer version and didn't go
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: back to the old one.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, yeah, maybe I was thinking about that a
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: lot because one of the big fall downs with a
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: lot of horror movies when you adapt them to like
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: newer times, is we have new technology now and there's
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: like all these things that don't work anymore. They even
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: have a joke about that in Scream for like take
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: a drink every time their cell phone mysteriously isn't working, like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and yeah, they were huge fans and it this it's
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: so complicated. They they walked such a fine line because
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: there's very easily this could have gone wrong, and we've
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: seen that go that way and a lot of franchises actually,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: but they like wrote this letter to Nev Campbell, like,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: you know, it meant so much to us, well please
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: come back, because she was kind of like think I
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: might be done with this, and we talked about how
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: exhausting it is to be in a horror movie, especially
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: for a lot of these scream queens or women, like
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: it's very physically demanding, and she's been kind of like
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I think I might be.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Done with the next one, which they did make room for.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: As you said, they kind of were like she did
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: her thing, but she was still a background character in it, right.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they were huge fans, and that makes the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: dialogue around toxic fandom all the more interesting because the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: implication is that perhaps they didn't like the foreth line. Right,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe that doesn't mean that at all, but it's just
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: it's hard not to with a movie so meta.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Right that you're kind of like, which, yes, I know
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about a little more in a bit,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: but the whole like is talking about Star Wars fans like,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's happened.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's happening. And by and by the way,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I have been drawn into that a little bit because
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: of you in that I get notifications about argument. Lord,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but I'm like, it's happening. And yeah, you
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: kept explaining it was so excited. You are so excited
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: the face that you would make, do you see, I was.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: So God, I'm getting excited just thinking about it. One
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: thing I did want to talk about, and we briefly
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: mentioned this in the Scream Queens one. There's a lot
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: of in the first one, especially for Sydney, trauma around sex.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: So that whole thing where with Billy, he's pressuring her
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: to have sex from jump in that movie and she's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: very like, no, we shouldn't, and you can tell she's trying,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like she feels like she should, that she has to,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: but she's not comfortable with it. You actually never see
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: her breast, which is a weird thing to talk about,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: but it's true. And these horror movies often you do
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: you don't for her.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Right, she flashes him. We just don't see it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't see it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: But and I find that like the whole conversation around
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: her mother being this slut and therefore I guess deserve
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to die in the opinion of a lot of people.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: And then she's taking that in and seeing like her mother.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Died and people are saying like, oh, she will, was
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: her miscuous and her having this trauma around that, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: then sort of being shamed for that, like having can't
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you get over it? Like don't you want this? Stop
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: being so controlling? Take off your chastity bell. He says
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: something like.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: That, right, which is just odd. It feels so, I mean,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: these are.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Very they're making a commentary on on things, but all
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: always they're just kind of like a funny slasher movie.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: They're like, they're not super deep.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: But that feels very if she was this her mother
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: had died and it became this like national story. She's
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: being treated in these movies as if she is a
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: character a celebrity that you just or like people feel
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like they can talk to her in any type of
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: way or treat her any type of way, which is
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: pretty messed up, and that would really mess with your head,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I can imagine.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Right right.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I mean that's what we talked about again with the
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: two crimes, Like when we see the stories and it's
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: not you start seeing them as a character instead of
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: real people and like going through that trauma. Of course
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Sidney is a character. I know that's a whole different
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: thing again meta, but it is that conversation and I'm
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: really and I'm guessing that was part again about the
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: commentary of people's need for true crime, yeah, and celebrating it,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: which is the weird party line.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean if you haven't seen these movies,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: like the Stab movies, within them, people like decorate, they
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: have like rocky.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Horror movie level audiences for it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: They have Stabathon and the fourth one, like these big
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: things and you know, just for a pretty tragic experience
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that people are treating as entertainment, which is kind of
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the whole thing in this one where the killers were like,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: we don't like what stab eight, dude, so we're going
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: to create something better. And so it's like marring that
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: line between life and art and they have a whole
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: conversation about that in the second one, because usually I
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: think in everyone there's a killer, except maybe the third one,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: there's a killer that's doing it for like the art
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: of it, a movie part of it, or the fame
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: of it, which is interesting. I do think there's an
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: interesting thing around women survivors in these because.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Sydney and Gaale make it through all of them. At
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the end of this new one.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: All the people that they show that are still standing
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: because other people did survive, but that are still standing
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: are women. And I was thinking about this because I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: read an interesting statistic that kind of surprised me that
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: actually more men get killed in slasher movies, which doesn't
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: feel like my experience. But maybe I don't watch that
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: many slasher movies honestly, right, and there's some I like,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Wonder if it's because the main victims, as we talk
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: about when vital girls have to be women. So if
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: she's slutty or she's perceived to be slutty, she has
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: to have a lot of extra men around that get
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: killed in our disposable So I wonder if that's the case.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I think that's a part of it. I think also,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: you can always make the argument there are more men.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Around, yes, but the fourth one, I could be wrong,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: but I feel like like two of the people who
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: died were men and everyone else was women.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: It was I mean, I don't know.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: That's just something that's been in my head because I
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: kind of didn't I was kind of shocked by that.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I did like the the in the newest one, like
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Sydney being the expert. There's a lot of jokes about
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: her being the original you don't with the original and
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: her still being pretty I don't know.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I kind of like her groundedness about it, almost like.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: She's still open and she's still trying to like help
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: people and comfort people, but she's also clearly tired of it.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know, No, like I said, like it
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: just became like, oh this again, I've been through this.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I'm good, right, right, And then we've already kind of
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: mentioned this. But I find it really fascinating that these.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Movies were the killings.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: In these movies were kicked off by the idea that
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: her mom was a slut.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Right Well, we talked about this when we were talking
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: about mothers in general when it comes to horror and
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: any of that John Brenon's always whether it's protecting someone
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: or they did something wrong, or they cursed the family somehow,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: and it's always the evil thing is the mother or
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: began by the mother, which again you and I've been
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: talking about that's a theme all around, whether it is
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: a horror movie or not, and the stronghold of the
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: mother being the basis of whatever, either trauma or whatever
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: incident or whatever is the next plot line to come through,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: which is interesting.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because like, not only do you have you
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: have Sidney's mom, Maureen, who.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Went to Hollywood before all of.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: This happens, went to like this room where essentially she
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: got sexually assaulted by big producers in Hollywood. Then, in
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the words of the killer and the third one who
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: is her son, that made her a slut. It knit
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: and therefore she was sleeping around in Woodsboro, including with
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Billy's dad, and.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: That set off what is it nine serial killers? I
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: was counting last night. I think it's nine. A lot
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: of serial killers.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Right for this one event, and they're all kind of
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: it all comes back to her mom, in heavy quotes,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: being a slug, right, which again, it seems like there
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: were a lot of men to blame this formula.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Right, but we don't. We don't acknowledge that.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: No, No, it's her fault.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: And then in the second one, like The Killers, Billy
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Loomis's mom, as I said, and she even says, it's
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: always blamed the mother. It's always about blaming the other.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: And then Sydney's like, well, literally are killing me?
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Trying to kill me? Now? So if you hadn't been
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: doing that, maybe she had an argument.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But and again we're gonna come back to this.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: It's it's weird because, like I said, Scream three, I
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: think is all about Harvey Weinstein. And so if you'd
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: like take the meadow one step further, it's like this
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: whole thing was started by you. Oh okay, anyway. Then
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: there are the rules, which is always a key part
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: a hit in these movies. I love all of the rules,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: laying down the rules scenes. So the old rules were
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: very like no sexo drugs, no alcohol, don't say I'll
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: be back. And it does feel it's very moralistic and
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: it's very especially for like I feel like for women,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: is the having sex one. Specifically I could be wrong,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: but I feel like generally it's sort of viewed as
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: like women you don't have sex, Yeah, you stay virginal,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: so you might be able to be this final girl character.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: And then in the new one there's a lot of
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: commentary when it comes to the new rules. There's a
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: lot of commentary around fantom and elevated horror, and.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: It feels less.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels less moralistic and more like
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: fan culture commentary to me.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: There is a weird.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Line in the fourth one where they're like, if you're gay,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: you will survive, and I was like, what, I don't
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: know about that?
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Is it because the queer community have been excluded from
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: this genre in general, So.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I like, I'm very I feel like, even if I
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: don't watch a lot of harmy, a lot of Slashers,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I'm very I know a lot of the horror lingo
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: with tropes. I wasn't sure what they were. I'm sure
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: there's something they're referring to, whether it's like whether it
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: stands up or not. I'm sure there's an actual thing,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: but yeah, maybe it is that. Maybe it's just there
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: haven't been queer characters so right, But then.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: They got out their caricatures and kind of dismissed.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Sure, or the guy right before he dies in the
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: fourth one, it's like, but I'm gay and the killer
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: kills him anyway, So.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: You want me to watch the fourth one? Huh?
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, only once.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Something else I've noticed in watching these is there's always
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: a creepy boyfriend character who's acting stalkery to one of
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: the female victims. Like in Everyone, there's a character where
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: she's like, Oh, it's Ted again, isn't it? Or Oh,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: it's Wess again, isn't it? And like that's one of
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the ways they build up that it could be anybody.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Everybody's a suspect. But I do think it's like interesting
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: and kind of upsetting again that this is something we
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: sort of accept, is the reality that a woman would
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: have kind of this stalker boyfriend that people.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Are like, it's probably him, right, Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: And there's one line from the new one that stuck
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: out to me where the killer Ritchie is sort of
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: commenting on that, and he's commenting on the new the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: new rules, and he says, I guess being a sexually
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: available woman is supposed to be empowering these days, which
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: he's a really toxic fanboy he is.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but by the way I had to point out
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: to you that this was Dennis Quaid and make grin.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, son again with your little trimmy of bits. I
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: was like, there's definitely some ableism going on in all
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: of them, whether it's like especially around mental health, because
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I feel like every one of them has a killer
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: who is in heavy quotes, mentally unsabled. And then in
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: this new one, which I find horror movies do this
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: a lot, they have this red herring of oh, she's
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: taking pills, this might be her, which is already like
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: mental health already has a huge to go on it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Right, not helping.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then something else I've been thinking on. I've
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: thought about this a lot because Gail is a very
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: ambitious woman.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: She's very very ambitious.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: It is painted like she's kind of a cold ice queen,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and it's a weird thing because she kind of is,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: but also like she's an ambitious woman and she really
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: goes far. Like in this new one, she's in New York,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: she's working on Good Morning America. She really made it,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and you know, the implication is she lost kind of
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: these personal connections. But then it's revealed Dewey is the one,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah that left her because he couldn't handle New York
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: and couldn't support her and had to come back to Woodsboro.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: So I just think that's sort of an interesting part
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of that too. I don't feel like she's I don't know,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: maybe that's a personal thing.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like she's villainized.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: No, I agree with you as a person who was
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: outside of this frame and when you were the original
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: take of who gel was. Even like in the second one,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: you know, she's building up money and being kind of
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: seen as an icon and whatever. This one she just
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: kind of just is like she's maintained her space. So
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: just kind of like the same Sydney.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: All of them have.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Grown up, figured out themselves and what they wanted and
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: gotten to a point that they're happy or at least content, yeah,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: and satisfies with what they had. The one thing we
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: find out is, yes, Dewey is the most unsatisfied. There's
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: so many things that happened with him, and he just
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: felt like he couldn't be what she needed that point,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: which could be a conversation about mel fragility, and he
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: just to the point that he had to prove himself
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: by killing himself as a hero. Like that's the whole thing,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Like hmm, that's a commentary in it, but what and whatnot?
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: And then yeah, like having her come in and be
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: like I don't need this anymore. But it took her
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: a long time, and it took her to the point
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: of being the white female who was like, yeah, but
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: I did get to use it for a long time
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: and I'm okay, now I.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Don't have to.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I mean she certainly there are things she did that
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: were not great. I'm not saying that at all, like
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: she in Sydney's story. She definitely was like use Dewey's
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: story kind of hurt feelings by writing about MSFP was
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: real bad, which she was kind of in her fairness
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: to her, I think they did a good job at
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: making her complex. I guess like she had these flaws
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and she also had growth, like she and she said
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: like we could make it work.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: We could have done it. You didn't have to leave,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: like so I thought that was good.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: And also I like seeing the evolution of the relationship
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: between her and Sydney, which started out very antagonistic and
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: very cat fighty into like a friendship and like a
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: mutual respect. Also there's the theme of not believing women.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I know, I've talked about it a million times, but
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: in the second one, when she plays Cassandra, she has
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: that whole thing, which if you don't know, Cassandra's this
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: character who's like cursed to see that.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Doom was coming and no one would believe her.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: But that's prevalent throughout, especially like after people think Sydney
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: so traumatized, often they just dismissed her like you've been.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Through a lot, so calm down.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Where she's like, yes, I happened to a lot, and
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I know what this is. So that's throughout.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: And then I really like the how it turned out
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: between Tara and Samantha and the new one where they
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: were kind of playing up maybe Tar as the killer,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and then they have that scene where Samantha hesitates in
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: untying her, but then she did and they kind of
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: rebuild their sisterhood and their relationships.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: So I really liked that they did that.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: And then, yes, toxic fandom, so almost every movie has
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: a fan of horror movies that is the Killer and
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: perhaps particularly is a fan of the Stab movies. And yeah,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of references throughout two horror movies
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and horror movies that they love. And there's a line
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: in this new one where the killer Richie says, how
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: can fandom be toxic?
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: It's about love.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, they're like killing people, right, Yeah, so that might
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: be toxic right there.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: But as you said, Samantha, I was very, very excited
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: about this whole Mary Sue Star Wars connection because they
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: are it's a very it's a pretty pointed commentary about
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Star Wars fandom and Star Wars fans, especially after The
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Last Jedi and Ryan Johnson. I keep saying, I go
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: back and forth between Ryan and Ree and I apologize.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: He even commented on it and knives out it was
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: it was such a huge thing, which again he directed
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the Last Jedi and.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Her.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: That's why I was happy when he I found out
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: he was in it, which to me means he must
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: have co signed, like they asked him.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: He co signed on it. He was on board.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Because there's a joke in there where Randy's niece Mendy
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: makes fun of Live for liking the eighth Stab because
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: it means you have no taste.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: So I was confused. I was like, well, wait, what
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: are we saying? Do you hate the last Jedi.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Do you like this? She literally went back and said, wait,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't tell that for like being real
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: and really actually mad or are they just joking? What
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: is happening? Is this tongue in cheek or not? Should
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: I be.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Embroiled?
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: I was so.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: So confused.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: So the fact that he's involved makes me think that
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: at least it was self aware that the toxic fandom
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: backlash to that was terrible. It was awful, and it
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: control what happened. It actually did influence what happened in
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: the next Star Wars movie, which a lot of people are,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: including me, say, it doesn't make sense based on what
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: you did in the last Jedi Like they completely because
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the backlash was so strong, they did something completely different, right,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: which is what they're talking about in this with the
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: hated Stab eight.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: So they were trying to make staffy.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: What is that? What did they call this?
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: This is a recal? Yah? Yes, they wanted to make
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: a requal.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: But I do love that Samantha's character echoes Ray's character
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: from Star Wars and Ray, yeah, she has this like
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: evil thing they reveal which everybody, pretty much everyone hated.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I won't say everybody, but pretty much everyone hated, and
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: then that Palpatino was her grandfather or uncle.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, I could get into that, but it's very complicated.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Well, could I just put in here? Every time I
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: heard them say hello Samantha in the little phone call,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I was like, Nope, not a fan of that. Don't
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: like that at all.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I know, and I was like, what could I use
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: this word? I would never do it because they always
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: do that in the movie and then they get killed.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: So I would never till you would be the one
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: killed on me.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: It would be me, okay, no, no, you would die
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and then I would think you were pranking me because
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I had pranked you, and then I would die.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: That's what can happen. Yeah, it would be good.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Let's not have this. Let's not have this. Not that
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: I would want to any other way, would still let's
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: not do that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I do love.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I love at the end when she's like never with
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: the daughter of a serial killer, that's kind of like
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: it felt to me like saying to Star Wars fans like, hey,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Ray could have gone a whole different.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Way, you guys, like she could have killed everybody.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Kind of it felt like a weird, cathartic way of
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: giving Ray a moment to just break down and lose it.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: This could just be me being a Star Wars fan,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: but I think that they kind of were leaning into that,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, calm down, this has gone a whole different way.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And then I'm not going to go too
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: deep into this right now because I think I would
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: like to do a whole episode on this, on the
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: portrayal of women villains, and I was just I was
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: kind of like trying to go through all the killers
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: because there's have been three women who are killers in
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: these and I was trying to see if, like there
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: was any big difference between when they when a woman
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: is the killer versus a man, and I was like,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like they're more kind of emotional relationship base.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: But that's that didn't turn out to be true really,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: so I'm still thinking on it. But I do have
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts about women who are killers, but
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: also in these kind of not just horror movies, but
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: in movies when a woman is in any way annoying
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: or a killer or annoying, but any like anything we
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: don't like about her, she doesn't have enough depth really
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: that were very like gleeful when she dies, and usually
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: the death is more violent and dramatic, right, because so
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen the fourth one, but Alison Breeze sort
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: of similar, like she's really annoying.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: She's not the killer, but like when she dies.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: It's sort of like serves her right, like right, And
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: that's again that's a wider issue than just these movies
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and just horror that like Jurassic World when the woman
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: who's taking care of her kids, that's my favorite example,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Like this is too much like she was as far
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: as she had a right to be a little annoyed
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: by this.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: I will say I am that person to be like, Okay,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: you did that stupid thing. I did that with a
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: dude who was the twin dude who was following her phone.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Libra, you're going into the bushes, You're gonna
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: get cut. Yes, there it goes like he survived, but
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: I was still like, come on, y'all, come on, don't
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: do this. Did you feel at any point this is
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: just a random question that because for a minute it
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: makes you think that Amber is in love with Tara. Yeah,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: that it was a bit queer, baby, was that me, Mike?
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Because like there's definitely there is a little bit of
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: like queer relationships. The twin sister obviously has an interest,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: uh with that girl on the couch. They talked about
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: They're gonna make out any moment, which is fine, but
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: it felt why did they lean that way to make
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: her like? Was it to make you be unsuspecting so
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: that you wouldn't think that it was her? But I
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: figured it out all that to say that it wasn't her?
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Or was that just like an unnecessarily throw in?
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I I picked up on that too, I thought, And
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I thought about that because I was like, were they
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: trying to imply she was like this really possessive, perhaps
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: in love with Tara friend or is it more like
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: she just really was there when Sam left and has
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: kind of like.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Really didn't like her, right?
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: So I definitely see that, and I think her character
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: throughout has moments where you're sort of like, huh, I
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: thought she.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Was a throw in. That was what threw me off
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: was because what we didn't talk about earlier in the
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: plot was that she had discovered that she was living
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: in Stoo Mocker's home, and then that pushed her into
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: researching all the stab stuff and falling in like to
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: an obsession to it, and that's why how she met
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Richie was trying to research everything and really getting caught
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: up in it. But then like, yeah, the other part
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: is that. But the friendship was obviously real because that
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: was one of the longest lasting friendships. I don't even
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: think the twins were really involved as much as much
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: as Amber, because the twins didn't really know the backstory
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: of why Sam left or what happened between say Sam
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: and Tara.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: But Ambrad, Yeah, I well, this is something else I
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: want to talk about when we whenever we do our
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: women villains.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: One is I think, you know, a lot of times
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: the woman who is the.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Villain, it's sort of the like support to the male villain.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: But that's not the case in the second one at all.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: But like, I think there's a power elements that she
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: really enjoyed, and I feel like in a lot of
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: these movies and like my skin is crawling just thinking
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: about it, but like there's a power element to playing
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: people like they don't know what to you, ha ha
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: ha ha.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: So I felt like she was sort of leaning into that.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: But it does like in the last one, the killer
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: is one of Sydney's cousins, as I said, and her
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: alibi is like the one I hate the most where
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: it's like I want to be the new Sydney, but
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: it's kind of that thing where, yeah, both of them,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: it felt sort of like you're really throwing under this
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: woman under the bus who's you purportedly care about.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: Right, There's a whole thing to that too, like his age.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: And I know this is just me, but I cannot
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: handle watching inappropriate ages being hooked together and I hate it.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: I actually will go to the depth of finding out
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: their real ages to make sure it was appropriate. Like
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: it just gets underneath my skin so badly. Because he's
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: supposed to be a teenager, sixteen maybe right in high school.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like like they're too much older. They're
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: still in high school obviously, and in my head it
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: was like sixteen, maybe seventeen, and then he's supposed to
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: be in college, if not out of college, and they
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: hooked up, and I'm like, there's a lot to this.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: I don't like. This makes my and maybe I'm also
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: at the age of like if I watch any romance
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: scenes with kids under like twenty, I immediately like, no,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: uncomfortable because I shouldn't be watching this. Yeah, I mean,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe anybody under thirty.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I'll have to rewatch because I kind of was like,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: they have a weird thing going on, but there's no
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: the no like physical romance happening for sure.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Well, they yelling at each other saying, yeah, baby, are
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: you okay? Are you okay?
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Baby?
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Like they they're.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Obviously I wonder if he's like a groomer though I
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Maybe I was supposed to be the conversation too, I
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: don't know, but it was just it just made me
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: like really unsubtled. I was like, not a fan, not
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: a fan.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's also like a throwback to Samantha's
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: mom presumably was much older than Billy Lumos.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: But I don't know, I don't know.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: And then very briefly I did mention that the first
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: four films are executive produced by Harvey Weinstein, and after
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: all the sexual allegations against him and the coach of
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: the Weinstein company, Spyglass Media Group purchased the rights to
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: the franchise, promising to nether make another that lasted for
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: all of one year, and they changed their mine. Interestingly,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein wanted them to make the fifth one an
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: end it prior to all the stuff coming out about him,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: and that kind of surprised me because I.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Would be like after the third one maybe.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: But I guess he was very comfortable and that he
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: could continue to get away with things. But you know,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: we talked about that in the Scream. Queen's one is
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Rose McGowan a year later is when she alleged she
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: was raped by him, and then the whole thing with
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: the third one, and I know some of the cast
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: and crew have spoken out about it, so yeah, that's
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: a whole thing too when it comes to the meta
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: part and of these movies and like having that in
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: the back of your head when you're watching, especially the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: third one, but all of them. Right, Yeah, Wow, Well
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: that was fun. I had a good time.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Oh good, good.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were so excited.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I was, and I could keep going and going. But
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: it's already too long, So I recommend it if you
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I know slasher movies aren't for everybody,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: so understand that, but if you're in any way interested,
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• 1:00:04
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