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Geoff Schwartz on Bill Belichick not being a first ballot Hall of Famer, Best NFL coaching hire + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Loggy sky. It's the Shan O'Connell Show. You're home of
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  Speaker 2: Let's get back to OOC from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio
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  Speaker 2: of ESPN seven ninety two one a f M. Well,
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  Speaker 2: welcome back to the Shawn O'Connell Show. Welcome in Jeff Schwartz,
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  Speaker 2: college and pro football insider that we lean on every
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  Speaker 2: single week.
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  Speaker 1: Here, Jeff, how are you welcome? You got me?
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Jeff, Jeff, Yeah, okay, I got you. Well, that
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  Speaker 2: was weird, all right.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say you'd be appalled at how my
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  Speaker 1: school distress has handled like a little bit of bad
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  Speaker 1: weather saw on for those it's all like city. We
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  Speaker 1: got sleet essentially, sleet and freezing rain on Sunday, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and no school Monday. Okay, no school Tuesday, no school
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  Speaker 1: today tomorrow. Two hour delay?
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  Speaker 2: Wait, are the roads still covered in frozen rain and sleet?
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  Speaker 1: The main roads have been clear since Monday. There are
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  Speaker 1: some side roads that have a little bit of you know,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit left on them, like my driveway in
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  Speaker 1: the shaded area. I think it saws a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of ice on it. Okay, But the two hour delay
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  Speaker 1: is not going to change that it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: cold the entire two hour delay, you know what I mean, Like,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like it's gonna be you know, it's below
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  Speaker 1: thirty hew degrees and all of a sudden it becomes
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  Speaker 1: thirty two degrees at seven am and warms the roads up,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's it's just it's madding.
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  Speaker 1: And then on top of that, they're calling for actual
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  Speaker 1: snow this weekend for US on Saturday, and some models
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  Speaker 1: have up to ten inches of snow.
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  Speaker 2: Bool. Okay, so if you react this way to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: Oh buddy, my daughter's never going to school. The public
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  Speaker 1: schools never they they will never go back to school
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  Speaker 1: if we get a little bit of snow this weekend. Well,
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  Speaker 1: ten inches of snow is not a little bit of snow.
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  Speaker 1: If you get ten inches of snow or a city is.
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  Speaker 1: But my son's been at school, the private school has
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  Speaker 1: been going to school. So he's been at school. He's
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  Speaker 1: been not been happy about it, not but happy. It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, I'm glad that your power and
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  Speaker 2: internet is still working at the very least.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that never went out, and you know, I have
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  Speaker 1: the generator that that at least helps. Okay, you know
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  Speaker 1: I'm protected there.
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  Speaker 2: How does your dog react to the bad weather because
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  Speaker 2: he's for people who don't know. Jeff has this really
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  Speaker 2: cool dog who's a German shepherd who sometimes you hear
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  Speaker 2: him barking in the background. Yeah, but he's a warm
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  Speaker 2: weather dog. He's not like German shepherds are well equipped
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  Speaker 2: to handle it. But he's you know, I.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine, loves it, never wants to come inside. I mean
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  Speaker 1: the other night it was legitimately ten degrees outside and
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  Speaker 1: he was having the time of his life.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He also, like, you know, he's just smart. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: nice having a dog that's smart. I know you have
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  Speaker 1: a smart dog as well. Well maybe not Okay, he's
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  Speaker 1: lovable at least, but I like, you know, plas I mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: part of our driveway is frozen, right, and the other
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  Speaker 1: day he was running down the driveway after a walk
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  Speaker 1: and he kind of slipped, and ever since then he
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  Speaker 1: knows where the ice is. He just slows himself down
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  Speaker 1: and walks over the ice. But they'll be telling him anything. Nice.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like nice to have, not like not a
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  Speaker 2: stupid dog, because a lot of dogs just keep making
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  Speaker 2: that mistake over and over.
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  Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah, he does not. So it's nice having a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Who keep making that mistake over and over again. After
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  Speaker 2: this time, I've had to.
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  Speaker 1: Warn Emerson Schwartz many times, please please no ice, because
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  Speaker 1: you know she broke her for earlier day and it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's hard making her stop moving. So we're trying
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  Speaker 1: our best to keep her like not active, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not working very well.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So Bill Belichick is not a first ballot
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer and everybody's got an opinion about it.
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  Speaker 1: What's Jeff Schwartz's thought? Coward voters hiding behind the amenity
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  Speaker 1: of of not having to put your name out there? Right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look the worst Bill polling coming out and
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  Speaker 1: giving one quote saying he voted for him, and then
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  Speaker 1: another quote saying, I don't really remember if you remember
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  Speaker 1: who you voted for, Probably time to stop voting for
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  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, right, if you're not sure. The
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  Speaker 1: way the way it works is you get it's what
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  Speaker 1: you get. You know, you get. They said for for
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  Speaker 1: the contributors category, which is what this is, you get
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  Speaker 1: to vote for three of the five contributors. So it's
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  Speaker 1: not hard to remember who you voted for. You voted
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  Speaker 1: for three guys, and obviously you know they didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to vote for Belichick. Maybe I think that's salite to
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  Speaker 1: not vote for him. Maybe you spike it. And then
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting because Jimmy Johnson came out out today and said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we we did spy yay too. We recorded. Everyone knew
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  Speaker 1: that this was happening, and and everyone did it. Everyone
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  Speaker 1: tried like this thing about spy ya. It's just it's
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  Speaker 1: silly because everyone was doing it. So it's not anything
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  Speaker 1: that it was anything different than any other teams that
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  Speaker 1: they got caught. They got in trouble for it. And
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  Speaker 1: so now also, are you are you gonna limit Tom
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  Speaker 1: Brady's including including you know, is he gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: wait one year because he was part of that whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: I just found a bunch of petty sports writers man
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  Speaker 1: that are in charge of this process and use their
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  Speaker 1: power to try to get one over Bill Belichick. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think i've seen sports medias, you know, football media
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  Speaker 1: players react and all being unison. There isn't one former
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  Speaker 1: player I've seen on the internet. And these are including
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  Speaker 1: people that that were rivals of the other Patriots right
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  Speaker 1: that played them every year, that have said this is
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  Speaker 1: the right decision. It's not. It's absolutely not the right decision.
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  Speaker 1: And so he'll hit me next year. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: But if it's the status thing, right, it's it's the
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  Speaker 1: status of saying I'm a first ballot Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 1: It's very rare, and it's in this case, it'd be
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  Speaker 1: very be very earned to be first ball Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 1: And what I think a lot about the situations too, Sean,
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  Speaker 1: is the the unforced error of the Hall of Fame, right,
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  Speaker 1: because now he'll took it again. He'll get it next year, yep,
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  Speaker 1: But now forever his name will be synonymous with not
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  Speaker 1: getting in the first time. Correct, And it just feels
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  Speaker 1: like an error that the Hall of Fame doesn't need
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  Speaker 1: to make, you know, Like it's just it's feels why,
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  Speaker 1: why why would you make this error? Just put him in. Man,
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  Speaker 1: If the process is not good enough to where a
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  Speaker 1: guy like that gets in the first ballot, he's change
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  Speaker 1: the process.
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  Speaker 2: Well that that's something that the College Football Hall of
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  Speaker 2: Fame did for Mike Leach. And as much as we
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  Speaker 2: all love Mike Leach, I don't think that Mike Leach's
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  Speaker 2: reputation is going to be similar when it's all said
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  Speaker 2: and done, to uh, to build Belichick, there's there's no
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  Speaker 2: one's arguing that Leach is the best college football coach
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  Speaker 2: of all time. There's a lot of people who say
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  Speaker 2: that about Bill Belichick, and the College Football Hall of
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  Speaker 2: Fame said, oh wait, Mike Leach is like one game
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  Speaker 2: shy of having the requisite win percentage.
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  Speaker 1: Let's change the win percentage. Yeah. So for those who
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  Speaker 1: might not know the Mike Leach story, essentially you have
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  Speaker 1: to be win at sixty percent to be a Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame coach, and he was at fifty nine point
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  Speaker 1: eight percent. So as Shaw, SA is like one win
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  Speaker 1: away from me. And you can't tell the story obviously
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  Speaker 1: of college footle without Mike Leach, right, I mean you
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  Speaker 1: just it'd be impossible his tree of coaches and his
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  Speaker 1: tree of philosophies around the end, around college football, it'd
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  Speaker 1: be impossible to do the sport justice and to say
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  Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick, this is why my argument and I
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  Speaker 1: do Barry Bond's my favorite player as a kid, So
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's a little bit of bias on my end,
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  Speaker 1: But when I think of a Hall of Fame now
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  Speaker 1: is actually as a parent, right, as a parent, if
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  Speaker 1: I take my kids to a Hall of Fame, to me,
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  Speaker 1: I view it as the history of the sport, right yes.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if my kids view it as
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  Speaker 1: these are the best players of all time. But I
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  Speaker 1: viewed as a history of the sport. And of course
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  Speaker 1: you put you can't put in like average joes in
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  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, but you can't tell the history
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  Speaker 1: of college football about Mike Leach. You can't tell the
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  Speaker 1: history off again, Belichick will be in and Michael Wuch
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  Speaker 1: will be in, but Barry bonm is not getting in
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  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, And like that to me doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make sense. It's it's a museum of the history of
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  Speaker 1: the sport. If you want to put in a plaque
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  Speaker 1: and to be like Barry Bonds cheated the sport even
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  Speaker 1: though of course they didn't test for steroids. Be my guest,
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  Speaker 1: you have to put the same plaque for for Bud
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  Speaker 1: Seeley th who's a commissioner who oversaw the entire generation
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  Speaker 1: of players and somehow still made in the Hall of
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  Speaker 1: Fame before Barry Bonds did, or Roger Clemens, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's it's a it's a whole of history, right,
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  Speaker 1: and so that I think that the voter sometimes view
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  Speaker 1: it a little more righteous than that maybe, And it's
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  Speaker 1: unfortunate because it's really it's really unforced error. Man. This
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  Speaker 1: is really bad publicity for the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing I really dislike about it is the
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  Speaker 2: anonymity factor here, because if you can articulate why you
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  Speaker 2: made the choice not to put him in, and you
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  Speaker 2: can defend your position, and then the Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 2: can decide whether you get to keep your vote moving
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  Speaker 2: forward or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I'm fully on board with that process.
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  Speaker 2: If you're someone who can say I hate spygate and
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  Speaker 2: cheating so much, I would never put Barry Bonds in
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  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want Bill Belichick to be a first ballot
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer because I know he cheated.
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  Speaker 1: I will listen to that argument.
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  Speaker 2: I actually like that argument, but the fact that you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to make it, and you can like if
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  Speaker 2: Bill Pollium came out and was like, yeah, dude, they cheated.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't think he deserves to be a first
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  Speaker 2: battle Hall of famer. I would respect that a heck
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  Speaker 2: of a lot more than whatever's going on right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point, right, like you, it's just
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  Speaker 1: you're highly behind it. And look, some voters have said nothing,
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  Speaker 1: come out and said, hey, this one has how I
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  Speaker 1: voted right, and it's nice to see. Obviously, baseball is
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  Speaker 1: a little more public because they most people share their votes.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think you you have to, but most
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  Speaker 1: at least do on social media, so you get to
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  Speaker 1: sort of see the process that they go through, which
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  Speaker 1: is pretty interesting to see. But yeah, I think I
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  Speaker 1: would love to just see what it looks like and
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  Speaker 1: peel that, you know, behind the curtain, because again we
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  Speaker 1: know Bills going to get in, but him not being
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  Speaker 1: in the first ballot is it's just it's just wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It just it just really is.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: the NFL coaching carousel is slowing and it's been a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, but a lot of a lot of names
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  Speaker 2: are being announced now. Things are kind of settling down somewhat.
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  Speaker 2: Has there been any coaching announcement for I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: head coach or a coordinator position. I'll throw those in
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  Speaker 2: there as well, where you look at it and you're like,
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense or that stinks, and is there
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  Speaker 2: one that you think is best so far?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know how I feel about hiring from within.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the Bills did with Joe Brady doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make much sense to me. It's a little different than
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  Speaker 1: than college in the NFL, even because so you fired
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  Speaker 1: Sean McDermott right because he couldn't win the big one,
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason you want to use, and you then just
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  Speaker 1: hire from within, so you keep evering the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: But you have a new coach, a new coach who
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  Speaker 1: we all agree maximize the talent of the roster. So
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  Speaker 1: you're basically pinning all this on McDermott, which it really
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  Speaker 1: should have been because it's not all his fault. And
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  Speaker 1: Joe Brady, was he in that much demand that someone
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  Speaker 1: else is going to pick him up up? Or you know,
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't right, so you hired o c who wasn't
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  Speaker 1: that much demand. You know, for those who are maybe
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  Speaker 1: new this, I just really dislike when players are part
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  Speaker 1: of the coach and hiring process. I think it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make any sense, and your business would the employee hire
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  Speaker 1: the boss. No. I don't know why I get it.
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  Speaker 1: I get Josh Allen. Oh my god, but this is
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  Speaker 1: like a Josh Allen hire, right, like key I OC okay,
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  Speaker 1: but like is he the best? I can it? Just
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of surprising that the Bills couldn't get the
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  Speaker 1: best candidate because it's Josh Allen there, and it's just
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to hire. I think you could be
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  Speaker 1: every in the same, but you have a new coach
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  Speaker 1: who's unproven. The other guy's good. If you're gonna fire McDermott,
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  Speaker 1: you better hire someone better. I'm not sure this is
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  Speaker 1: a better hire. I have actually found someone accordiator to hire.
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  Speaker 1: Sewing to be really fascinating to me, Like the McDaniel
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  Speaker 1: hire in Los Angeles is fascinating because I just give
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  Speaker 1: Harbaugh so much credit for hiring outside the box. Man.
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  Speaker 1: These guys could not be two different humans, right, Jim
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  Speaker 1: Harbaugh and Mike McDaniel, the former Dolphins head coach, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of coaches just hire like what they know, right.
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  Speaker 1: And on top of that, there are different schemes. Harbaugh
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  Speaker 1: is a downhill gap scheme, power run power duo gap
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  Speaker 1: runs big personnel, and that's not what my that's not
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  Speaker 1: what McDaniel's offense has been over the years. It's more
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  Speaker 1: of an outside zone. It's more that you know that
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  Speaker 1: Shanahan McVeigh type, so everything, and I just I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I give so much credit for me outside the box
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  Speaker 1: thinker here. So I love those Corda moves a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have you taken a look at the list
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  Speaker 2: of the greatest college football games of the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: five season?
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  Speaker 1: Is that? Is that an ESPN? Yeah? I have not.
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  Speaker 1: Why is there as organ limited as organisted on there?
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  Speaker 2: Oregon number seventeen of the one hundred best games, Oregon
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  Speaker 2: beating Penn State in double overtime.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that feels like like a lifetime ago.
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  Speaker 1: Now it was a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to Utah only made one appearance in this
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  Speaker 2: on the list, and it wasn't the Holy War, which
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  Speaker 2: was a really good game, but was it? It was
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  Speaker 2: the comeback against Kansas State when he gave up a
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  Speaker 2: trillion yards rushing and still found a way to come
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  Speaker 2: back and win.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: There's there's not a lot of representation for the Ducks either.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why. I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: we would be I mean, we really didn't play many
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  Speaker 1: memorable games. You played the Texas Tech game is not
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  Speaker 1: gonna be memorable. Indiana is not. You know, India's memorable
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  Speaker 1: for getting your butt kicked. I'm not sure that that
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  Speaker 1: much else is gonna make it. So that's actually not
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  Speaker 1: that surprising. Was number one? What was number one? It was?
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  Speaker 1: Was it Indiana Miami?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, National championship game, Indiana Miami.
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  Speaker 1: Number Number two is probably a game I came and recall,
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  Speaker 1: but it was probably really good. I just I just
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  Speaker 1: was it was it? It wasn't Indiana, Ohio State. That
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  Speaker 1: was good.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Connolly does this list, and he he does, he
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  Speaker 2: goes deep dive on like a lot of the games.
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  Speaker 1: He never said Brawl the Wild. You go like Brawl
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  Speaker 1: the Wild Part two.
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  Speaker 2: All the Wild is in it. It's in. It's like
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  Speaker 2: a top ten game. Number two was Miami Old Miss
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  Speaker 2: number three, Old Miss Georgia in the quarterfinals.
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  Speaker 1: So just so just a playoff list.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Number four was A and M beating Notre Dame
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  Speaker 2: on September thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: It's a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, and then number five is the Montana State,
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  Speaker 2: Illinois State FCS national champion and ship.
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  Speaker 1: Indiana. I remember that game. Yeah, okay, yeah, so I
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  Speaker 1: mean he does.
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  Speaker 2: A good job. He goes d three games and everything.
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  Speaker 2: He goes all the way down. Utah came in at
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  Speaker 2: number ten, fifty one to forty seven, comeback victory over
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  Speaker 2: Kansas State.
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  Speaker 1: Best Memorable Games, they're.
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  Speaker 2: The best games, the most competitive, craziest wilds is like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: they're all They're not. Yeah, they're not. Like it's not
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  Speaker 2: just the best teams versus the best teams obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The ball, the second ball of the wild game
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  Speaker 1: was was pretty good too. I putt a little little
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  Speaker 1: did it Weber State? Make it? Was there? Weber State.
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  Speaker 2: I have not seen a Weaber State game. They did
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  Speaker 2: not have a great season. But let me let me
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  Speaker 2: ask you what you feel about this. So Weaber State
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  Speaker 2: replaced their Mickey Mentle, who was what an all name
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  Speaker 2: team It's fantastic their previous head coach. They hired a
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  Speaker 2: guy who's considered the best high school coach in the state.
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  Speaker 1: The guy it I love it. I love it, Okay
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  Speaker 1: from Corner Canyon High School.
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  Speaker 2: That's the place where like, yeah, you know corner can Jackson, Yeah,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Jackson Power Johnson was there and Jackson Dart went there
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: and the Wilson brothers went there and all that stuff.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: So their high school coach is now that wea were
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: state head coach.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Dude, I love outside the box hires when you really
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: have no reason to hire a specific type of coach,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: right like if we were state off of bad season.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I take your word for it, right off
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: a bad year. You know, what's the harm in trying
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: to go outside the box? Dude? I think this is awesome?
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Why what? Why not do this?
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's great too, And we don't see it
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: all that often where even a great high school coach
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: you get painted into these boxes. Right, so it's not
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: often that you see a great high school coach get
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to coach college ball. You don't often see
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: great like d two coaches get a chance to move
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: up the ladder and stuff. So I like that that
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: that's become. They're less compartmentalized than they used to be.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I also think, you know, this is interesting sort of
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: interesting play for for recruits as well, right, Like, he's
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: he's going to know the players in the region, and
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I imagine he can convince him to come to Weaver State.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: You know, like I think this is like a good
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: for recruiting as well, right, Like just hey, man, like
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: come complain. We were saying, I'm a head coach there.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Now. He was an unbelievable recruiter at Corner Canyon.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's gonna be just as good at we Stay. Yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Have you been offered the like a linebacker coaching job yet? No,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I'm much to my chagrin. I'm very upset about it. Man.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: They tell you that I would love to make thirty
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: two thousand dollars a year to coach one hundred and
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: eighty hours a week.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I was telling uh, we were talking like a month
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: ago at the house, me and and Meredith and our
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: cousin or her cousin, and we're talking about like how
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: much head coaches make and they're like, wait, they make
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: thirteen million years, Like yeah, I make the top dogs, right,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Like she's a Georgia fan, our cousin. So I was like,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: is making like thirteen a year? And Mareth's like, why
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: aren't you coaching? I was like, well, the hours, the hours,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: stinking said, well, if they pay you that much money,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: like you can just do it. And I thought, like,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: how could I get a job if I really wanted
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: to collect a football job. I think I could get
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: one pretty quickly if I wanted it. I think it'd
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: be a you wouldn't I just like I wouldn't make
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: money though for like five years, Babe, you actually realize that, Well,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: that's that's one of the things.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I've been having friends in the coaching world that is awesome,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: But it's also it's only awesome when you're on the
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: top end because correct like, look, I don't know how
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: you would be able to articulate this better than I.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: But I had good coaches at Weber State. After I
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: left the University of Utah, I like guys who knew
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: the game seemingly just as well. In fact, one of
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: my coaches at Weber State is now the offensive coordinator
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: at the University of Utah. So these guys, like, it's
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: not like when you go down a level they know
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the game significantly less or they're significantly worse or whatever,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: but they make one tenth as much money.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: It's insane. I know, like I could like I was
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: thinking like I I was like a I can maybe
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: call landing and be like kind of a job. But
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But I have other friends where I
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, like you know, you know, you know,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a QC guy for the year. You know, like you
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: just make no money the first year, right, It's it'd
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: be like a year, you know, a push for later years,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: which again, like it's a hard sell. Look, I think
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you can for coaches if you get in early, if
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: it becomes your career immediately, like post college, it makes
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: it a lot easier because that's all you've known. I
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: don't know. Like Jordan Gross, I give him credit, man,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: for going from like living on the homestead in Idaho
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to just becoming a college football coach at a high
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: power for a conference school.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: He just he just put up a picture with an
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: offensive line recruit they're talking to out of a servite
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: high school.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: The kid is like three inches taller than Jordan Gross.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: He's seven years old. It's like, what the heck are
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: they feeding that boy? My gosh.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I just I just gave him credit for, like for
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: just being like okay, like all right, I'll I'm civilian
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: life and now I'm gonna coach. Like I just it's
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: good for him, man.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's great. I think it's gonna be
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: good for the University of Utah. Hopefully it ends up
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: being good for him as well.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Are you seeing anything from the Senior Bowl practices that
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: surprises you that you love, that you hate whatever.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I think that's odd this year. I feel like there's
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: just no hype on these games. Like the East West
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Shrine game was yesterday. Yeah, the actual game was yesterday.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's because Coltor just ended eight days ago. Yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and I can't believe some of these guys are playing.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I put out a tweet, you know, the big Miami
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: left tackle who he got truck dees data bad rap estery.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I was like, why is this guy even at the
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: All Star Game? Like what? What? What? Who told him
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: to be the All Star? He just he finished, He'll
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: just eight days ago, and you know the the Twitter
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: stuff like he just wants to compete. That's not It's
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: not a competing. This is dumb. It's whoever's in charge
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of helping him give him advice. He should be fired
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: eight days after. Would you mentioned playing a Super Bowl
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: game and then eight days later playing in like a
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: in like a in like a you know, not even
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl. It's not PROBA. This is a showcase
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: game like a showcase, like a like you have to
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: like try out for free agency eight days after the
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. You'd be like, what, No, I'm not doing that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: So a lot of players just like I think there's
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: like thirty guys opted out because of their season just
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: ended in the playoffs. So I haven't seen much yet.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I'll watch it one on one. I'll be able to
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: get the tape of it. And uh, it's just it's
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: also just not a great year for offensive defensive alignment.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So it's you know, for me, just less, you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: less sort of work I gotta do. I think on
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: some of those guys because they won't be drafted early.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: So is for doing any of these Are they doing
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: anything to do anything?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Logan the older brother is, but yeah, he's at the
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Senior Bowl practices.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: But Spencer doesn't have to. Yeah, I figured he didn't
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: have to instant thing too. It's like a lot of
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you know, the better guys don't have to do it. Now.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you it does. It helps. My brother went
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl, and I mean I think it
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: greatly improved his stock. I mean, if you know, if
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: you're a guy like my brother playing the pac ten
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: and probably didn't play the pass rushers outside of USC
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that he'd seen the NFL, you know, get a chance
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: to really ball out this week, he could do he
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: could do really really well for you. And so you know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: there is there is a lot of benefit of doing this.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: It's just it's you know, for some of guys that
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: just seemed just ended. It feels like a pretty tough task.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I know I'm bouncing around a lot here, but I
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: spent a bunch of time today talking about this settlement
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: that Miami and Duke just reached. And I don't I
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: can't find the number anywhere. I don't know, I don't
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: know what that number looks like. But given the timing
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: of it, that number would have to be astronomically high
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: for it to be anything close to an even outcome
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: for Duke. In my opinion, you look at their depth
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: chart right now. They got a freshman, they got a
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: transfer from Valparaiso, and they don't have any quarterbacks now
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: that Mensa's gone. And let's say that they got, you know, whatever,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: double what they were going to pay mensa still not
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: worth it. I know you can't do much if he
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to play for you, but I don't like
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: the precedent that this sets. I don't I wanted to
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts on, like just the can of worms.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: We've already got fifteen of them open, but another one.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: If you're a big money school and you can come
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: in and just pay a penalty to get exactly the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: guy you want. If it's timed this way, the school
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: that you're stealing the player from doesn't even get to
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: use that money to try and get themselves a player.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not great, you know, And I don't know
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: what the solution is unless you have these incredibly high buyouts. Right,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the next buyout is ten million dollars, ten million dollars
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: plus paying him, Like, are you really gonna are you
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: really gonna pay that? And this is what I think
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: LSU was with de Monto, Willis and Washington, right, the
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: buyout was so large that they didn't want to commit
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: to that. And that's what I think it has to be,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: is you have to write these contracts and put those
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: buyouts in. It's such a high rate that teams are
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: scared of of of paying that out. And that's what
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: comes down to, I think, to make it a lot
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: tougher for these things to happen, because obviously the contracts
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: mean nothing, right and they obviously mean absolutely nothing because
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: they ever gets out of them if they want to,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and so you have to write them stronger. You know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: it does feel like we're heading to some sort of CBA.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I just I don't even know. You know, there's a
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: story that Deon Sanders was he is going to find
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: as players. Yeah, okay, well a couple of things there.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Those have to be collectively bargained. They collective bargained. No, right,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: you can't just find people without you know, without some
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: sort of written agreement that they'll accept the fine first
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: of all, right, but just like that idea in general.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And then okay, so let's say we agree that the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: finds are in the contract. But not everyone on the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: team is a university employee, right, Only some of those
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: players have an IO deals with the school. So if
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you if you have an idea with a third party,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Dean can't find you. Where's the money going for the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: fines and go into the athletic fund? Like does the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: young keeping the money? Like who's getting the money. Just
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: these are all things that that lead to the sport
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: being professionalized, which gets close to being it's not now
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: people think it's not it's not yet, but does feel
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: like the only way to fix a lot of these
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: problems is to have a collect a bargaining agreement.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that once you get into that realm
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: defining And we talked about that on the show the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: other day, Like, I mean, even if you can get
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: most of the players at Colorado to decide that they'll
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: like participate if you're if you're Jordan Seaton or whatever,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: and the school calls you and it's just like, we
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: don't have that here. You don't have to pay fines here.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I mean it just now you've handicapped yourself if you're doing.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Also found it pretty interesting that he had to put
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a video or you know, they I was saying, he
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: put a video on it, but they share obviously all
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the content a lot of times that he had to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: make a video tell his players not to wear their
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: old team's gear in the facility. What what? What? Why
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: would they Why would they do that in.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: The first place, Why would you be like why would
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you be wearing Oregon gear in the Colorado facility.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I thought that was I think to say, I guess
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: enough players are doing it. It's a problem that's really
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: funny actually, right, Like I mean I wouldn't be me obviously,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: but like enough players are doing it where they they
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: feel like that's got to be said.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: So a lot of young players get tattoos, right, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of them get like team tattoos.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Is that is that going to go right now?
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Because guys realize that they might be transferring to a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: new school next year.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Probably not would you wouldn't just be like me, Like
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Dan Lanning has all those tattoos that just signify where
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: he's been in life. Yeah, Like is that something that
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you would just just like, Okay, I want to utah
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: got a utah, you know, and the next too. Isn't
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: just like a signify a time in your life to celebrate? Yeah,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I mean once you get to like age thirty five,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you'd probably view it that way. If you've got like
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: a you know, you've got like the the trojan on
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: your elbow and then you're playing for UCLA the next year,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: that's probably tough. You might be like, ah, I should
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: have waited to get this.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: You have to cover that one up on game day.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Do you have a like a utah tattoo somewhere? I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: don't know about it, I do, Do you really? I do? Yeah? Oh?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Nice, same thing, like the same like I have in
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: you know, all minor stained glass windows or whatever. And
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the one that's on my left side. I have the
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: logos of the seventy five different schools I attended, so
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: oh nice.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you put the BYU one on there? For
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: business school? Yet? I did and I won't. Why did
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you bring that up? I'm just curious.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Although I do love when people have BYU tattoos because
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: it's it's oxymoronic in some ways, you know what I mean.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my my mom went to UCLA underground
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: USC law school. I mean you can do it, so
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: it's not like it's against the law. But I'm just
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: curious if you had that one on. No, I haven't.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: There's a there's a Jordan High, there's a Jordan High logo,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: there's a Weaver State logo, there's a Utah U.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: But there's no why. I don't even have enough room
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: my body to follow teams I played for in the NFL.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Just hey, what you got? You got plenty of room
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: on that body. What would be the worst one to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: put on it? Panthers, Giants, Vikings, Chiefs, you know what
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: would be the worst one? The worst logo to have
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: on your body? Giants? Just put it? Just be it
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: being like and just n why just their logo?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: It's just ugly everything. I hate the Giants whole vibe aesthetically,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I can't stand it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Was usually great. They go with like red, white, blue,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and gray. It's weird. What if I do the old
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: school logo though? That's pretty it's a pretty cool logo.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Right yeah, I kind of I kind of want this
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: to happen.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Now, Well, just like what team?
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: What team did you spend the least amount.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Of time with? Lions for a training camp?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, you still have to get the Lion's logo, and
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: let's do it in reverse order, so the Lions, because
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: that's the coolest logo. The lion is giant, and then
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: it just goes down. It just goes down from there.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Just like what it sounds like. Mormons are not allowed
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to have a tattoo. I am not allowed to either,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: bicultural naturally, so I guess I get out of that
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: one as well. All right, yeah, fair enough. Well, hopefully
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: my kids go to school tomorrow. It hasn't rained in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: as snowed in four days.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Well, good luck when the ten inch snowstorm hits you.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Some of it our way we have.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: We've had ten inches of snow all year long in
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the top of the mountains.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I know you're on top of the mountain. We
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: understand where you live. Okay, I'm saying anyone about that.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: We get it on top of the hill like you.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: You're very cool. We get it. But I it's too
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: much snow for us. I don't want that. Okay.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Uh, you just outed me to some of my listeners.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: By the way, text just came in from forty nine
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: to nine.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Oh SE's a closet coup guy. Listeners are shocked and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: he went to be by you. You didn't. No one
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: knew this.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Now people know, like it's not it's not the best
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: kept secret.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: We spend a lot of time on the on the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: radio talking about this. This this business school you're in.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: We had a trip you went on. Yeah, yeah, no.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I I have my m b A from the Marriott
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: School of Business, which happens to be attached to BYU people.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: All Right, I got my MBA. I love this so
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: much for you. I love that I can bring you
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: come on. I might not be invited on again, but
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I'm glad. I that's my last hurrah. So because not
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: like b Yu. Okay, we have to we.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Have to keep bringing you on because nobody else, myself included,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: who talks on this program, knows anything about football except you.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: So I mean I picked the Rams to win, so
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: in the Rams and Broncos, so what do I know?
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And thank you?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Tyson Howard, one of our other Texters, made sure to
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: point out Brigham Young founded the University of Utah. Brigham
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Young University was not even approved by Brigham Young himself. Okay, people,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: so oh we know these are these are the old staples.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, I don't know that.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's bring up Young was the University of Utah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: guy Wild interesting all right, dude, thanks for your time,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Stay safe in the snow.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy, Talk to you next week.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz football expert of the highest order.