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Van Lathan on Hunter Biden's Crack Comments, Malcolm-Jamal Warner's Impact, Prince's Death · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: Podcast is higher learning. He appears to have a lasso
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  Speaker 1: tied up on his wall. Van Lathan, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: What up, what up, what up, what up?
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  Speaker 1: All right, so you only wear the ridiculous hat when
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  Speaker 1: you go to work, but not at your house?
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  Speaker 2: I wear it all the time. I wear it all
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  Speaker 2: the time, but I go through different hat phases now.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm in a bucket hat, dad hat phase, but
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  Speaker 2: I wear my cowboy hat all the time. That's my
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  Speaker 2: strength right there.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know the last time I saw you without
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  Speaker 1: the cowboy hat. So once I saw you inside your house,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that maybe you had some rules. Like the
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  Speaker 1: old times say you don't wear a hat like that indoors.
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  Speaker 1: It's disrespectful to the ladies. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, for me, the hat is like a crown,
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  Speaker 2: the cowboy hat. And so I feel like it's a
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  Speaker 2: ceremonial thing. When I want to show my power, I
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  Speaker 2: put the cowboy hat on, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that is a lot of words for the word gimmick.
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  Speaker 2: Could be, but I mean, everything that you see up here,
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  Speaker 2: everything that you see up here is like that lasso
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  Speaker 2: right there, that's my father's lasso.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that is an actual lasso. I thought, I did
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  Speaker 1: not realize it was an actual lasso.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, no, that was my dad. So that lasso
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  Speaker 2: that you guys can see in this shot, that's my dad. So, like,
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  Speaker 2: that lasso right there has been used in rodeos going
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  Speaker 2: back to, I don't know, at least the 80s when
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  Speaker 2: he would use it. And so when I went home
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  Speaker 2: after he passed away, like, I brought his lasso back
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  Speaker 2: with me. I brought his lasso and his knives with me.
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  Speaker 2: The guns, I... Tried to bring, but it was very
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  Speaker 2: difficult in California. So this whole side of the wall,
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  Speaker 2: this is the Louisiana wall, the Percy Miller jersey. That's
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  Speaker 2: the lasso. The cowboy hats are also from my dad,
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  Speaker 2: but the men in my family wear them. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's the whole deal. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever go to the rodeo at Angola?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how regular, and for those of you
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  Speaker 1: who do not know, the state penitentiary in Louisiana is
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  Speaker 1: Angola State Penitentiary. And it is a touch dangerous, but
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  Speaker 1: they're also known for two things that could be helpful
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  Speaker 1: to the general public. They make impeccable leather goods at Angola,
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  Speaker 1: and they have a rodeo every year.
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  Speaker 2: They have a rodeo, and they also have football. I
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  Speaker 2: did not know that, and that sounds terrifying. The different
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  Speaker 2: camps have football teams. So, I mean, Angola, which is
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  Speaker 2: definitely one of the worst, the worst places you can
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  Speaker 2: be in America, they do have some things where they
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  Speaker 2: let the inmates express themselves to a degree. But I've
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  Speaker 2: definitely been down to rodeo. I've been to rodeos all
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  Speaker 2: throughout the South and the Southeast.
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  Speaker 1: Letting the boys at Angola play football does not seem
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  Speaker 1: like the best idea.
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  Speaker 3: Like with pads on?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's called like the crack bowl. Not the crack bowl.
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  Speaker 2: It's called like the smash bowl or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But you have to remember now, I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 2: they play football with a ton of skill. Obviously. But
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  Speaker 2: there's insane athleticism because it's Louisiana. So there are guys
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  Speaker 2: running around there that were ex-high school players. The skill
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  Speaker 2: will come in from all of this advanced coaching and
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  Speaker 2: all of that stuff. But there's some crazy athletes running
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  Speaker 2: around down there.
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  Speaker 1: It's the physicality that I am curious about and makes
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  Speaker 1: me a little worrisome because I know everything I've heard
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  Speaker 1: about pickup basketball at a prison is a daunting level
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  Speaker 1: of physicality.
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  Speaker 3: And now you're talking about they're letting them actually play football.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. They've been doing it for a while. It's
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  Speaker 2: actually such a mixed bag when you think about it,
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  Speaker 2: like philosophically, because you're in a place now. when you
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  Speaker 2: drive up to St. Francisville, um, obviously I've known, well,
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  Speaker 2: not obviously, I don't want to say obviously in my lifetime,
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  Speaker 2: I've known a couple of residents of Angola state penitentiary
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  Speaker 2: very well. And when you drive up there, there's a
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  Speaker 2: long road that leads you up to the prison. And
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  Speaker 2: when you start getting in on the way to this road,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you see like a prisoner's working and the
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  Speaker 2: guy on a horse and it's, you know, just right
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  Speaker 2: out of 18, 1860. The prison and the way that
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  Speaker 2: it is run is a historical relic of that time
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  Speaker 2: in American history. But there are different ways when you
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  Speaker 2: talk to inmates, particularly some of the inmates that were
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  Speaker 2: involved with the rodeo that make some of the goods
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  Speaker 2: and the crafts. There's art there. There's an art show.
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  Speaker 2: There are ways that the inmates... find freedom inside the
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  Speaker 2: walls of Angola. That's quite inspiring. Um, now they should
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  Speaker 2: have to live and they should be able to live
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  Speaker 2: in different conditions, but there are ways that the gentlemen
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  Speaker 2: there find themselves that when you get into their stories,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 1: No, we turn it into something inspirational. I did not
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  Speaker 1: expect that to be the direction that we would go
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  Speaker 1: in when we talked about Angola.
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  Speaker 2: Happens, brother. Happens when we get together, bro.
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  Speaker 1: You out here broadening minds. You know what I'm saying? Like,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was an actual lasso. And you're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's my dead dad's lasso. Hardy hard, motherfucker. And I'm like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you're right.
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  Speaker 2: You know? Hey, look, look, look.
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  Speaker 1: Like.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever you endeavor to try to be an asshole, there's
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  Speaker 2: always a risk that comes with it.
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  Speaker 1: But I wasn't even being an asshole. I just couldn't understand.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I couldn't tell if it was a lasso,
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  Speaker 1: an extension cord. I couldn't figure out why I was
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  Speaker 1: on the wall. I've always told people this. Like, hey man, like...
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  Speaker 1: That shirt fucking sucks.
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  Speaker 2: You suck. Hey, bro, my mama gave me this shirt. Aha.
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  Speaker 2: Now look at you. There's always a chance.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no. See, my mama gave you that shirt.
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  Speaker 1: That ain't going to really do nothing for me.
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  Speaker 3: That's like, duh. That's how we wound up making fun
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  Speaker 3: of you. I wasn't even making fun. I just couldn't
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  Speaker 3: figure out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the mama did. Like my daddy. Then you, why
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  Speaker 2: are you wearing that shirt? Because it's the last thing
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  Speaker 2: that my mama gave me. And now, and look at
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  Speaker 2: you now, not everybody looking at you like, yo, what
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  Speaker 2: the fuck? Why are you talking like that? You know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: So the problem is you got to really be deep
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  Speaker 1: into sociopathy to follow up because the follow up is
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  Speaker 1: very easy. That's the last thing that my mama gave
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  Speaker 1: me before she died. Why are you sad then?
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  Speaker 2: Why are you sad that she died?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, if that's the kind of love,
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  Speaker 1: if that's the way your mama shows you love, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? But that's just, you have, you
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  Speaker 1: got to really be willing to go all the way
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  Speaker 1: in that moment.
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  Speaker 2: You have to. And it has to land. It does.
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  Speaker 2: If it lands, then everybody going to be like, oh, shit, man.
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  Speaker 2: Look how he came back from the depths. But if
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  Speaker 2: it don't land, people going to be looking at you like,
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  Speaker 2: do we want to be around him? He made fun
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  Speaker 2: of that man when his mama died. Especially in the
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  Speaker 2: white neighborhood. In white spaces? Oh, you kill with that.
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  Speaker 2: You kill when you come back and you go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: your mom must have hated you. You kill. But in
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  Speaker 2: black spaces, they're going to be like, we can't be
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  Speaker 2: around this nigga. He done made fun of the goddamn mom.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, when you make an ambitious opener... You know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Like like it's a risk that I'm generally unwilling to take.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, I didn't think it could have been
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  Speaker 1: as risky as it proved to be.
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  Speaker 3: But I was at a.
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  Speaker 1: Wedding one time and this dude pulled up on me
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  Speaker 1: and it was a white dude. And I think it
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  Speaker 1: may be Jermaine giving some of the explaining that she
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  Speaker 1: was doing. And then white man pulled up on me
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  Speaker 1: and he was like. he shakes my hand and it
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  Speaker 1: was a wedding when it was like other people, like
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  Speaker 1: industry type people there. And this guy was not an
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  Speaker 1: industry person. And so he put up on me and
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  Speaker 1: he shake my hand. And the first thing he says
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  Speaker 1: to me is, you know, I've hated everything that you've
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  Speaker 1: ever said. At which point I took my hand back
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  Speaker 1: because I'm not sure what we about to do, right?
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  Speaker 1: And it went into some old roundabout, but the groom
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  Speaker 1: is really a big fan of yours. And I thought
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  Speaker 1: you should know that. And maybe I don't hate everything
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  Speaker 1: that you've ever said. And I'm thinking in my head,
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  Speaker 1: it's 1230 and you don't know that I don't drink, right?
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  Speaker 3: All you know is that it's 1230 and.
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  Speaker 1: You pulled up on me with pure orificious approach, right?
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  Speaker 3: Straight orifices.
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  Speaker 1: Only a white man can have the audacity to do
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  Speaker 1: such a thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'd only say that to you because I knew you.
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  Speaker 2: But there's something else about white dudes in those types
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  Speaker 2: of situations. There's a difference culturally that I've seen. Black
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  Speaker 2: men form bonds by inviting peace. White men form bonds
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  Speaker 2: by inviting combat. See, black men, hey, you good with me.
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  Speaker 2: We could tamp things down and play the game and
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  Speaker 2: talk about this and do all of that stuff. We
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  Speaker 2: turn the shit down when we share peace with one another.
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  Speaker 2: We make little treaties. White guys, though, they like to
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  Speaker 2: get into it. And that's how they form their bonds.
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  Speaker 2: They like to come to you and needle you. That
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  Speaker 2: dude is so weird. When he came up to you,
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  Speaker 2: that was his version of showing you love. his version
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  Speaker 2: of showing you love being like hey man I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: come over here and introduce myself despite the fact that
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  Speaker 2: I hated when you wore the Caucasian shirt on ESPN
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  Speaker 2: I was not fucking with that but that invites us
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  Speaker 2: to sit down and go back and forth for like
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  Speaker 2: 10 or 15 minutes and then I know that you're
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  Speaker 2: smart you know that I'm smart and now we can
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  Speaker 2: have that type of back and forth or relationship with
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  Speaker 2: one another. He thought he was coming over. With us,
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  Speaker 2: we don't look at it like that. Like, yo, why
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  Speaker 2: you coming over here and me telling how much you
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  Speaker 2: don't like me? Get away from me. But he was
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  Speaker 2: inviting conversation. He wanted you to say, oh, which thing
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  Speaker 2: did I say that you particularly didn't like? Well, let
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  Speaker 2: me tell you about this. In the next 15, 20 minutes,
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  Speaker 2: you guys been volleying things back and forth. Now he
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  Speaker 2: can call his friends from Cornell and and be like, yo, man,
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  Speaker 2: I met Bomondi Jones. He's as smart as he seems
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  Speaker 2: on TV. We should invite him up to the Cornell
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  Speaker 2: Club and see if we can get him involved in
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  Speaker 2: Blackwater or whatever. I got another one.
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  Speaker 3: All I felt was disrespect. Of course! Fuck you!
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  Speaker 1: But the thing was, it was done in such a
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  Speaker 1: way where I couldn't have seen it coming and I wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Braced for it.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever had somebody hit on your girl in
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  Speaker 1: front of you but you're not even thinking about that
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  Speaker 1: and then it's just like, wait a minute. I had
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  Speaker 1: a dude once where I was at breakfast with my
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  Speaker 1: girl And he's a waiter. And he almost poured coffee,
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  Speaker 1: like missed my cup. And he was like, oh, my bad.
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  Speaker 1: I got a little distracted. I'm not paying no attention
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  Speaker 1: to that. It's because he is sitting dead red in
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  Speaker 1: her grill. But I realized until by the time I
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  Speaker 1: realized that all I could do was not give him
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  Speaker 1: a tip.
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  Speaker 3: Like, it was just a little bit too late.
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  Speaker 1: Like, by the time the disrespect had registered to me,
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  Speaker 1: I quickly, I just took my hand back. That was
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  Speaker 1: the only thing I knew was that the handshake portion
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  Speaker 1: of the program was over. I was so discombobulated, like,
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe this has actually happened. And I have
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  Speaker 1: no actual recourse at 44 years old. There's nothing I
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  Speaker 1: can really do about it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta, at that point, I like to
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  Speaker 2: just let it breathe. I'm more interested now that my,
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  Speaker 2: the era of, so growing up in Baton Rouge, the
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  Speaker 2: last thing you wanted to be was the one who
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  Speaker 2: got fucked over, right? Just for whatever reason. And if
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  Speaker 2: you got fucked over, the question you have to ask
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  Speaker 2: yourself is, why do they think they can fuck over me?
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  Speaker 2: So that question of why do they think they can
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  Speaker 2: fuck over me would sometimes drive you to rage. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't even that you took offense, so much offense, at
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  Speaker 2: what was going on. But you're thinking, what am I
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  Speaker 2: doing to make this person think that I'm the one
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  Speaker 2: to fuck over?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what makes you so sure that I won't shoot you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's something about me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that makes you feel unsafe because to
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  Speaker 2: move around in those spaces, you kind of have to
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  Speaker 2: have people feel that you'll fuck them up. That's gone
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  Speaker 2: within me. That's one thing that has died within me now.
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  Speaker 2: What's out within me now is, like, I think getting older,
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  Speaker 2: going through some stuff. I have a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: confidence now to where I know some people are just
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  Speaker 2: blissfully unaware of the infractions that they commit against others.
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  Speaker 2: And also, some people just don't give a fuck. So now,
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  Speaker 2: in that situation, if my girl is getting hollered at,
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually more interested in how she reacts. than anything else. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I see it happening, and I wouldn't do anything but
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  Speaker 2: smile and just see, one, if she peeps it, and two,
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  Speaker 2: if she deads it. So that's more what I'm interested
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  Speaker 2: in now, just in any situation like that, because I
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  Speaker 2: think that I've come to a certain level of control
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  Speaker 2: and understanding about myself, right? Very confident. Now I'm just
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  Speaker 2: kind of looking like, hmm. What's she going to do?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not even going to get mad at what
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  Speaker 2: she's doing. I just want to see what the waiter
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  Speaker 2: is hitting on you. He's doing all this. How are
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  Speaker 2: you going to react? Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I see the argument because this happened like 20
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  Speaker 1: years ago, right? Or somewhere in that zone. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: in a completely different place. At that time, though, it's
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  Speaker 1: not even so much that I felt emasculated or anything.
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  Speaker 1: I felt I had no tools at that point. I
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  Speaker 1: was old enough to know what I'm going to do,
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  Speaker 1: fight this man at the restaurant. I don't even live
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  Speaker 1: in this city. You know what I'm saying? Am I
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  Speaker 1: going to do that?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: All I can do is just sit here and then
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  Speaker 1: be like, oh, wait a minute. At least he didn't
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  Speaker 1: pour the coffee in my lap as he was doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But once again, This last thing I'll say, I
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  Speaker 2: got to give him props, though, because. No, you don't.
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  Speaker 2: You don't. I do. I do. I disagree. Because I
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  Speaker 2: give props to anybody that shoots in that situation. That's called.
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  Speaker 2: So me and the homies back in the day, you
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  Speaker 2: say when you shoot from the compromise place, it's easy
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  Speaker 2: to shoot from on high.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's easy to shoot when you roll up in a
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  Speaker 2: Benz and you see a girl at the bus stop.
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  Speaker 2: it's easy to be like, yo, you want a ride? Like,
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  Speaker 2: I'll take you where you're getting to go. Like, that's easy.
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  Speaker 2: That don't take nothing. But when you shoot from the
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  Speaker 2: bus stop to the girl in the bins, oh, you
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  Speaker 2: the man. When you shoot as the waiter to the
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  Speaker 2: dude from ESPN and his girl, I commend that man.
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  Speaker 2: Because that man said, fuck it. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: He did not. He did not say fuck it. He said,
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  Speaker 2: fuck you.
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  Speaker 1: And in this case, I am you. And we are
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  Speaker 1: not commending. We're not commended. This is what I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to explain to you. I do know the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you respect disrespect is honestly making me lose respect for
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  Speaker 1: you in this very moment.
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  Speaker 2: Like this. You got to respect disrespect. Hold on. No,
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  Speaker 2: you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't. Balani,
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  Speaker 2: come on, man. You know that you respect disrespect. You
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  Speaker 2: got to respect disrespect. Like, you, like, okay, I'll give
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  Speaker 2: you an example. Just real quick, Bomani, just real quick.
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  Speaker 2: We can get off this. This has been a blissful tangent,
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  Speaker 2: by the way. Let's say Kobe walking the gym, right?
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  Speaker 2: Rest in peace, Kobe. Because the only reason why I
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  Speaker 2: think about Kobe is because he was the one that
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  Speaker 2: everybody wanted to be like. Let's say Kobe walking the gym.
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  Speaker 2: We all playing ball in Equinox, Kobe walking the gym.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody going to be respectful of Kobe, right? Everybody going
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  Speaker 2: to be like, oh my God, Kobe's out here. Can
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I set a screen for Kobe? Can I rebound for Kobe?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Can I get an assist to Kobe? Can I get
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: an assist from Kobe? But see the one nigga that
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: walking this bitch like, this is my chance. This is
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: my chance to sun Kobe. That get like a flicked
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: layup and goes, yeah, nigga. Fuck I'm talking about. That's
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: the nigga I respect. I respect the one that said,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: fuck him. This is my chance to be better than him.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: You know who you're saying you respect?
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: That's the one I respect.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: You know who you're saying you respect with that analogy?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: You ride for Karl Malone.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Ah, come on now. No, no, no.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: You ride for Karl Malone.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: There's some other things. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Let me talk now as I let you go through
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: that totally nonsensical spiel.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Karl Malone pulled up on Vanessa at that game.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Vanessa asked him if he was going hunting because he
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: had his country ass clothes on in L.A. And Karl
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Malone said to her, yeah, I'm going hunting for Mexican girls. Apparently,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: since we respect and disrespect, you respecting the dude that
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: disrespected Kobe and his queen.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: That's you. That's you. That's you. That's you.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Understand what I'm saying now.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I understand clearly what you're saying.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying. What you're doing right now
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: is you're reorienting.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that the type of person that you respect
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: is Karl Malone. That is your teammate.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: And in that situation, I'm not saying respect breaking brotherhoods, right?
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't respect my brother hollering at my girl. I
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: wouldn't expect my father hollering at my girl. You're breaking covenants.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: But if that situation, if that would have come from
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: one of the catering guys that worked at the party,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I would respect it. If it comes from Karl Malone,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that's your teammate's girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's your teammate's girl.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: But if it comes from one of the guys that
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: should not have the hubris to try that, I would
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: respect it. Plus, Karl Malone, he is known for trying
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: to get at women he should not be getting at.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Van Lathan, a.k.a. the mailman. That's where we at with this. Hey, mailman,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: have you ever thought about smoking crack before?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Have I ever thought about it? No. There's an interesting
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: conversation that I had with one of my uncles about
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: smoking crack. Do tell. So, he's passed away now, but
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I remember I was talking to him one time, and
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: he had had some issues with crack. And issues with crack.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: The nigga smoked crack. He was into crack. And I
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: remember he was sober at this point. And so I
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: asked him, I was like, man, why are you, why crack?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Why would it be crack, man? Like, why crack? And
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: he goes, that's not a question for me. The question
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: is not why we are smoking crack. The question is
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: why y'all are smoking crack. And I was like, what
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: do you mean? He goes, well, crack, when it came out,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: was a new drug for us. It was something to try. Like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: crack come out, 83, 84, 85. It's like, yo, we
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: was getting high off cocaine in the 70s. The crack
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: come out, and now we trying to crack. Because that's
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: a new drug that hit the street to try. We
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: had no idea. He goes, y'all and y'all generation, y'all know.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And y'all still fucking with it. So the question isn't
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: why we tried it. We would have cracked guinea pigs.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: The question is why y'all see us and are still
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: doing it. And I never forget that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: That's a fairer point than I ever imagined.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: It leads us to a very convenient segue into Hunter
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Biden doing his interview for three hours with some people
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I'd never heard of. Apparently they seem to have some
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: measure of legitimacy because they got Hunter Biden to sit down.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: For an interview.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Now, I was trying to figure out what city it
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: was in, you know what I'm saying? And then I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, y'all got something completely different going on.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: The YouTube news network, I ain't that familiar with that world. Now,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: first of all, It takes two minutes to listen to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Hunter Biden and be like, oh, I see how you
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: are traffic through this world. This man is incredibly charming.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Like in that trial, when that woman was like, yo,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the first time I met him, he was smoking.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Crack, but I really liked him. Like it all like
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: shines out.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: He also said something that I had never considered about
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: crack smoking. And I'll be honest with you. I heard
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: him pop some shots at like Axl Rod and Carl
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Bill and all of them. but the stuff that's really
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: got the streets on fire is him talking about crack, right?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: He was talking about he himself cooking up crack. And,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: you know, as a student of rap music, only people
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I ever hear talk about cooking up crack is the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: dudes that sell the crack. I had never considered the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: idea of people buying the cocaine and making their own
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: crack at home. I had never really, like, I imagine
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that's a great way to save a little money.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or to control how pure your crack is. The
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Hunter Biden interview just told me that anything can be elevated.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: You can elevate anything. You know how people get into
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: food down as chefs and they go, hey, this is
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: a taco, but it's an elevated taco. Hey, this is chitlins,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: but these are elevated chitlins. You can elevate anything. Hunter
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Biden sounded like, and maybe there's a racial component here
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: because he's a rich white guy that's talking about it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe you could have got this same crack dissertation. from
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: anybody that was walking around in any of these places
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: like this, but maybe the optics of it changed because
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: it's him, but he got into the purity of crack.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: He got into the ritual of crack smoking and why
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: it's so, he really kind of in a way opened
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: up a gateway to talk about the actual addictive nature
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: of it and why it might have the hold on
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: people that it has other than, I just can't shake
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: that crack. And part of that has to do with
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: the fact that he's a white guy, a rich white guy,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: but still it was very interesting to listen to.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Well, I felt like a couple of things, right?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: One, I thought that he offered plausible explanation as to
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: how it is that somebody gets addicted to crack, right?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Because basically, here's the thing, right? There aren't that many
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: people that we think of as being strung out on
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: crack who get into a position to clean up and
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: come talk about it, right? White, black, or otherwise, okay?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: You get the occasional Glenn Lowry.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you're familiar with him.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: He's an economics professor. He's a doctor.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fairly conservative sort of cat. He had a job
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: lined up with the cabinet man, but they caught him
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: with cocaine and he'd be out there smoking crack. Glenn
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: is somebody who could probably explain to you what the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: crack situation is, but the only crack smokers that we
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: see are the crack smokers.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Like we only see the heads, right?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I tried to explain to somebody once that there was
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a such thing as the occasional crack user, which I
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: didn't believe back in the day, but then I realized
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: is more people smoking crack than just the fiends that's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: on the street, right? So Hunter Biden became the rare
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: person who had lived the life that allowed him to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: tell the world that he had smoked crack. Because as
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: he pointed out in the interview, you can't just be
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: out here telling people that you smoke crack. They're going
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to judge you. And you're goddamn right we are. We
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: are absolutely going to judge you for smoking this crack.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So when he was talking about how, you know, he
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: had like a flow chart basically like the oral fixation
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: stuff and everything else and it goes in a circle
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and the ritual of it and the hand to mouth
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and how you start as a child and you're brought
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: into this whole situation and everything else and I was
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: like damn this man got all the game like this
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: just ain't about you being no white man you are
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a different white man like you are.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Your father's son if your father you know smoke.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Rocks yeah he's got the charm that comes with the
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: seasoning that American aristocracy can give you. Almost fumbled that word.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: But you know what's funny? My boy, and I'm not
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: going to mention his name, he's my best friend in
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the world, he was a longtime drug dealer. And he
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: would always say, crackheads don't make you rich. He'd be like,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: you don't get rich off crackheads. It ain't got no money.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Crackheads ain't never got no money. He was like, what
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: keeps me selling crack is the person that work at
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: your job that has a job and has income coming
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: in that can continuously buy crack and not just continuously
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: buy crack, but introduce crack to other people. Like people
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: that like, they'll smoke crack at a party and people
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: be like, well, oh my God, if Hunter Biden is
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: doing this, don't think about Hunter Biden. Think about how
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: many crackheads Hunter Biden has made. Think about that. Like,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Hunter Biden being a crackhead is one thing, right? But
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: picture this. Think about Hunter Biden being the rich son
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: of the vice president or a senator or whomever. You
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: go to Hunter Biden's house to party or to his
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: boat or whatever, you think that you own. You like,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: oh my God, I'm partying with the top of the
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: top of American power, wealth, and influence. He break out
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the crack, you gonna try it. He break out the crack,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people out there that's gonna be like,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Hunter Biden and broke out the crack. I'm going to
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: try it. Hunter Biden has made a lot of crackheads
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: and he's a crack evangelist. He's somebody that can get
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: out there and tell you about it and get you
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: into it and the whole nine.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Based on all the virtues.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: The virtues of it to a degree that's out of
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: this world. So he's probably made so many crackheads. It's
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: somebody right now that's watching that someplace and they fucked
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: up because they daddy would never the president and they go,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: oh my God, Hunter's still on that same shit. So
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: that they those type of crackheads is what actually keeps
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the drug dealers rich because they spread the word of
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: crack around. And they're to a small degree inside of
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: communities as well.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: So you say in that like crackheads don't get you
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: don't keep the drug dealers rich with crackheads. They they
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: they keep. your wheel wells clean, right? Like, they keep
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: your oil changed. You need somebody to change out the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: small block. They got you on that one. That's what
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the crackheads do.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Odds and ends.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: He said crack users keep you rich. Yes. Crackheads. So.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. We always hear about the crackheads.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: They're always trying to barter in some form or fashion.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: This is why this happened, because... And people are going
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: to be listening to this, they're going to be outraged,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: but I don't know what to tell you. This is
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: the conversations that we used to have. He would tell me,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: he would be like, he would be like, there was
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: one guy, there was a guy in Denham Springs, a
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: white guy in Denham Springs. Denham Springs is a white enclave,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: very racist white enclave, on the outskirts of what would
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: be considered Baton Rouge proper. And he would be like,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: the guy had to sell his television to... get money
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: to come bring him money for crack. And I was like,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: first of all, bro, you got to change your life.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: And I was like, secondly, what do you care? He goes,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: that just lets me know that he's not going to
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: be a good customer for too much. He's running, he's
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: bottoming out. He's getting towards the end of it. He
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: was like, I would rather him be functional and be
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: able to do this every week, every couple of days,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: couple of times a month to where I knew that money.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: But if he's starting to sell shit, That just tells
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: me that he's bottoming out. He's like, those aren't the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: guys that keep me in business. The guys that keep
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: me in business are people that somewhat have control over
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: it and can keep coming back and keep coming back
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and keep coming back and keep coming back. This also
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: wasn't a guy that was catching a corner. So he
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: wasn't on a corner dealing to people on the corner.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: He was more of an upscale guy going to your
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: house and.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: All of that stuff. Oh, no, no, okay, okay, not
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: a wholesaler.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Not a wholesaler, no, we didn't get to that point.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Different clientele.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: The more you know, coming back with more next. All right,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: we're back on the right time with Van Lathan. On Monday,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I was supposed to do a hit on CNN talking
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: about Donald Trump trying to change the name back to
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the Auras over there. And as it happened, Malcolm Travolta
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Warner passed away. And it was kind of interesting because
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: they were preparing to figure out like how to tell
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: me that they didn't want me to be on the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: show no more, but I was already like, so like
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: when I sat down for it, TMZ had the report,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: but CNN hadn't been able to confirm. And so they
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: were waiting until they got their confirmation. And then I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: think at some point somebody realized, wait, he's black in
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: his forties. Maybe he can talk about this. So they
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: had already called on some other black person to talk,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: but then they're like, well, would you like to stay
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: on for the conversation? They didn't mention that they were
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: killing my other shit, right? They just asked, would you
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: like to stay on? And I was like, look, I'm here.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I've budgeted this time. We got on and we talked
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: about it. And bless their hearts, man, because they only
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: had so many questions, man. The first question that man
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: asked me was, you know, after, you know, Bill Cosby
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and all the things that happened, Malcolm J. Wall Warner
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: had this to say about that. How do you think about,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: what do you think about the way that he handled it?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, that's question number one. The man just
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: drowned accidentally.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, I had to, I had to, I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: figured out how to like hit a little L1 on
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: them and get that.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: To where it needs to be.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: But I was like, Hey man, that man right there
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: is in a pinch. Like, you know, a lot of people,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you know, when they go, they got the old bits ready.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: They got the questions going.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: This is one they had not prepared for.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: And that man hit me with that question. And I
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: was like, man, I got to figure out.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: How I'm going to do this. Yeah. It happened live
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: on higher learning. And it was, uh, it was, it
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: was pretty shocking. You know what the, I'm coming off
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: real cynical this morning, but when accomplished people die, it
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: is always a shock because whatever their accomplishment is, you
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: feel connected to it. In this case, if Bill Cosby
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: was the dad of the 80s, then Malcolm Jamal Warner
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: was the son, right? But there's something else that also
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: compounds this why I think people have seen so much
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: from the response is that he was decent and that's tough. They,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: for somebody to have been at it, that it shouldn't be,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: but for someone to have been in the industry as
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: long as what he was to have had the career
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: that he did and not become jaded, um, not become cynical, uh,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: not become a jerk, right? He was a, curious guy
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: he was an artistic guy he was a guy that
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: looked at the world through the purview of art but
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: used art to affect the world he was a good
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: guy like he was a good guy and you go
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: 54 on vacation with everything survived being a child star
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: survived the scandal that whoever that guy was, tried to
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: connect him to. He didn't have anything to do with that, right?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: What difference does it make how he responds? We interviewed
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: him on Higher Learning. We asked him the same questions
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: you kind of have to about what he thought and
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: how he would react to that. But even when we did,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: he talked about his parents and what they did for
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: him to keep him safe as a child star in
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: the 80s, as a man growing into himself in the 90s. And,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: you know, on from there, he was just a decent,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: good guy. And it's one of those things that feels
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: like a kick in the gut because you lost an
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: artist that you could connect with. And you just also
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: lost somebody that would have been responsible for making more
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: good people.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: You say something interesting on the child star front that
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I really hadn't thought about, which was as big as
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the Cosby show was and as famous as they all became.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: it ain't different strokes, right? Like we don't have the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: stories about the children of that show that you had
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: from other, for whatever reason, right? Like I hadn't really
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: thought about that, but given the magnitude of how big
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and famous everybody really became off of that, it's interesting
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that none of them really went down that road. And
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I think with Malcolm Jamal Warner, what I find kind
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: of interesting is that it feels like he wound up
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: living the life that you would hope that somebody could
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: live when you make the ridiculous decision to allow your
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: children to participate in Hollywood at a high level as children, right?
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Like you get some bread, it can set you up
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: for a future that from there you can do the
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: things that you want to do. That if somebody, if
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: they can keep you out of trouble and it doesn't
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: wind up going too far, you got a pad that
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: lets you be the artist that you want to be later.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Like I had a meeting once with a dude in
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: LA and he was telling me, the best advice he
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: ever got from somebody was if you're going to sell out,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: do it early.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Like it's a lot easier to have principles and stuff
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: after you got some money in your pocket.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: And so if you can get the.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Money that you get off of being a child star,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and then from there, you know, there's Malcolm at 80
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and the things like that. Right. But Hey, you know,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: like that, I don't think that's, that's not at the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: top of the resume, but it ain't nothing to be
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: ashamed of.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: But you get that money early and then you can
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: do all this stuff that he did for the rest
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: of his life.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He was a poet. He was a, He was
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a musician. He was an activist, a thinker, all of
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: that stuff. And I think that he was having, I
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: don't want to say a resurgence right now, but he
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: was finding himself creatively in this part of his life
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: in a way that from my discussion with him seemed
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: to be very satisfying for him. And that also for
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: people that have been following some of the stuff that
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: he had done recently, it's probably very hard for people
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: to come to terms with When we grew up, kids
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: on TV were stars. They weren't ancillary parts of these productions.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Plucky Brewster had her own show. Different Strokes was about
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: those kids. Webster was about the kid. Silver Spoons was
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: about the kid. Fresh Prince of Bel-Air even getting into
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: later on. The children were the centerpiece of those stars.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: That's not as big of a deal as much as
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: it used to be. Netflix does bring back the teen
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: drama and stuff, but I'm talking about the sitcom where
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: America's tuning in for the cute kid. That thrust a
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: lot on those kids all at once. Even the movie ones,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: like the two Corys and all that, that put a
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: lot Robert Downey Jr. on those kids all at once.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: And with the fact that the 80s were kind of
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: a free-for-all, I mean, Bomani, have you ever thought about
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: the fact that everything that we do to keep children
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: safe now is actually a reaction to our childhood. Every
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: single thing that we do to keep kids safe now
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: is like, because we realized in the 80s it was
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: kind of just a free-for-all. Your parents would be like,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: don't talk to strangers, don't get into a thing with
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: a white van, because people was talking to strangers and
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: getting into weird vans with guys giving them candy and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. So all the protections and stuff that
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: they had for us that exists for kids now, where
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: because our childhoods were so in the wilderness, and then
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: when you are a child star, you were in Hollywood
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: with it. But he maintained to live a life with dignity,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: where he continued to explore himself. And then he passed
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: away in an unexpected way. So I think a lot
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: of people were just in shock yesterday.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: It is interesting to me to watch the ways that
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: people respond to celebrity deaths because i have like i
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: got a lot of friends that's been to a lot
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: more funerals than i have right but i feel like
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: in my life i've been to a disproportionate amount of
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: like natural causes funerals or like other like innocent bystander
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: bullet funerals like things in that way um and i
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: don't I don't think I have the same reaction or
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the same relationships with people on screen that a lot
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: of people have. So I can often feel a little
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: bit on the outside when people be like, yo, it
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: feels like a family member died.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't for me at least.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Right. That's not to judge anybody else on their reactions, but,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: The Theo Hustable character reminded me of what my brother
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: was when he was younger, very much. My brother always
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: talks about that the relationship between Cliff and Theo was
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: the most realistic representation of fatherhood on television, right? Because
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: it was always a cat and mouse game, almost, in
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: how it was played. And I think I've said on
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: CNN that I think was interesting about the quality of
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: acting on the show is he was acting as that
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: character in the age range.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Of that character.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Like he's not that much older in life than he
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: is on screen. And I think it takes a particular
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: level of self-awareness and like an understanding of the world
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: to be able to grasp, call it 16, how a
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: 14-year-old acts.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Or at 15, right?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Because at 16, you think you're growing and you're not.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: To be able to recognize like, no, this is the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: way a teenager would handle this sort of thing. Like
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the scene where, the regular person scene, the all-time classic,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: no wonder you make Ds and everything, right?
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Want to be a regular person.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: But when he tried to get his ear pierced and
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: so his dad wouldn't recognize, which is only something a
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: stupid teenager would come up with.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: And they sitting on the bed and they're going like
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: this because Cliff is trying to get a peek at it.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: And they doing that guide around.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, you nailed what it is to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: be a stupid ass teenage boy. in a much different
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: way than I can recall anybody having really gotten on
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: a show like that.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that two things. One, that was really
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: well said, but two things. The first is that I
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: think people sometimes feel connected to people on screen because
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: they have an idea of what they will want their
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: family to be. So when an actual family member dies...
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: you have to wrestle with a lot of things and
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of them aren't. So there's a part of it.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: That's just like, man, I don't get to hug this
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: person anymore. But then there are so many things that
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: are left unsaid. There are so many things that you
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: have to deal with. You wonder if you could have
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: done anything. If there was like, there's so much, there's
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: so much emotion there. There's sometimes guilt. There's sometimes shame.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: There's sometimes anger. There's all of that. When somebody that's
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: like family dies, it's just adulation and love that you
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: have for them. So it's just like, oh my God.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: They're not saying that Malcolm Jamal Warner died. They're looking
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: at him as if he were Theo Huxable. They feel
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: like this is the end of the life of Theo Huxable.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: They felt that close to him because they never had
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: to have any complicated feelings about it. And it's just
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: a reminder that what they saw wasn't actually real. So
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of these parasocial relationships that people have
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: with people that are on the screen sometimes exist because
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: fantasy is a very potent part of the human experience,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: how you would want things to be. Secondly, with his
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: portrayal of Theo, you nailed it. Those kids felt like
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: real kids. They didn't have answers. They weren't doing ridiculously
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: stupid things like, in the movie war games where you
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: almost start a thermonuclear war. They were doing real world,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: stupid kid things. They wrote them like they were kids.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Like I'm going to a concert. I shouldn't have gone to.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: And the concert goes crazy. Like I want an expensive shirt.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I bought a shirt. The shirt is too much money.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I got to take it back. Now my sister makes
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: the shirt. The shirt looks crazy. They wrote them like
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: they were kids. They didn't give them too much money.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: They gave them just enough for it to be really believable.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: And then Cliff and Claire were there to remind the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: world that it's their job to take these people and
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: make real world citizens out of them. And it was
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: very effective.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: And for Cliff and Claire, regardless of how professional you are,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: no matter how well you have it together, no matter
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: what you're provided these kids, they're still fucking idiots.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: They're dumb.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: There's nothing that you could do to stop the fact
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that they're idiots. And that's a lot of like, there's
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: a longer story to be had about how our childhoods
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: That the current childhood is a response to our childhood
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: from people who are the people they are, that they
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: are very proud of being because they had the childhoods
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: that we have and have stripped them away. That's a
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: whole different discussion, right? But I look back on it
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, look, my parents are professors. I am
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: very familiar with that world of like the two parents
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: who got it right while also I know their kids
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: very very very well and their kids already mixed bag
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and bags like we're ever mixed you know what I'm
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: saying I would ask you this though because the thing
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: about the parasol relationship I think is interesting because I'm
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I realize this part about myself and I'm wondering if
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: anybody listening can relate to this part which is and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe this is a little bit selfish right I
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: don't listen Two Domingos. But it really hit me when
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Takeoff died, in part because they were still current. They
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: were still doing it. It's like, who knows what else
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: may have come if this had not happened. I think
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Nipsey Hussle is a very similar example when he died.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I wasn't a super fan of his, but I could recognize.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: It lands differently with me. You say for them, it's
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: like Theo Huxtable died. But for me, Theo Huxtable stopped
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: being a thing in 1992.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Like, like when people are far removed, like it was
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: wild when Prince died and look, you know, I mean,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I talked to you that morning to make sure that
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: what I was reading was not crazy.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Um, that was a big.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: One for me, but I was still for me, kind
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: of like what I loved about Prince I had and
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: would always have. And so from there it got to the,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: we all going to die someday territory. And it was
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: a rest in peace. I mean, like I remember my
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: brother talking about it that night and it was crazy,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: but it didn't feel like, I didn't feel that immediate
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: shock and grief that people have. And I think it's
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: maybe because like the utility of those people played in
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: my lives had already been served and it would always,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: it would always be there.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Like that was how I saw it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: And so it's interesting for me to watch people and
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the relationships that they have, where to them, Theo Huxtable
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: continues to be a living, breathing being as opposed to me,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, that stopped 33 years ago.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Interesting. I think it's, that is actually incredibly interesting. I
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: think that a lot of people probably feel that way.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: but there's also a way that I think sometimes people
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: feel to where they look at these figures and people
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: as everlasting. And then their death, the death of the
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: people is a reminder that they're not right. So Prince's music,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: like just take Prince, for example, the morning of Prince's
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: music is the thought that Prince had created something that
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: is eternal, that Prince as a force, there's a, I
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: can't remember which movie it was. I think Michael Madsen
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: delivers the line, but I can't remember which movie it was.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And it says, John Wayne dead. Oh, it's in Donnie Brasco.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: And he's looking at the thing. It says, John Wayne dead.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: And then he goes, how can John Wayne die? Now,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: if you had read some of John Wayne's interviews and
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: got some of his thoughts, maybe you'd be pretty pleased
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: that John Wayne kicked the bucket, but whatever. Um, I
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: think sometimes these people become institutions and their death is
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: a reminder that everything is sort of temporary. Like the
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: death of Michael Jackson, people look at Michael Jackson, they
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: think of thriller. I want you back. They don't even
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: think about some of the other more controversial aspects of
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: his life. They think about their connection to someone and
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the fact that that someone can no longer enjoy being
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: who they are. It's, The relationship that people have with
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: celebrities is really interesting because it's not just that they
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: want the celebrity, that they want to be that person.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: They're happy that that person is that person. And I
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: saw this at TMZ. It's like, you like the fact
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: that Leonardo DiCaprio can be on a boat. You like
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Michael Jackson being Michael Jackson. You like Prince being Prince.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: You want them to enjoy them being who they are.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Like that's why people are so invested into that stuff.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: So part of it is that you can't enjoy them anymore.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: But part of the mourning was that Prince doesn't get
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: to perform Purple Rain anymore. You don't get to see it,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't get to do it. And because that
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: connection that people feel to them is like there's a
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: oneness there that is really interesting about the human experience. Yeah.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, look, I would have seen Prince play
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Purple Rain on every tour at the tour at the end. Right.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I didn't quite view it that
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: way with him because you're right. Like I think with
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson and I'm not really a Michael Jackson guy,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: but I always felt like from people with Michael Jackson,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: they felt like he might still have one more in him. Like,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: you know how it was when Mike Tyson fought Lennox
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Lewis and we just kept thinking that maybe for one night,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Mike Tyson could dial it up one more time, right?
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: He was clearly not this dude anymore, but we always,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: and I think Michael Jackson in particular was the one
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: that people felt like.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: One more time, he might be able to dial it up.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: And I do think that maybe that's part of the
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: effect from person to person is whether you think that
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: like one more time, they could dial up something.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: The Mike Tyson of it all, I hate that when
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: people say of it all, but I just had to
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: do it. That needs to be studied because that feeling
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: about Mike Tyson has been one of the most enduring
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: things in sports culture. That happened like earlier this year
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: or whatever it was, maybe last year. Whenever the Mike Tyson,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Jake Paul thing was happening, people were like, yeah, Mike's 57. Yeah,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: he's had a ton of injuries. Yeah, but you know,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: it's Mike Tyson. It only takes one shot. And I
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: was telling people, this is not going to go like
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: y'all think it's going to go. Like, reality is real.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And he's old. But Mike Tyson lived off that. It
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: is Mike Tyson thing for years. He literally had to
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: have his shield ripped off his body in the ring.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Not by Lennox Lewis, by the way. By Danny Williams.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: by guys that we were like, okay, it's really over, right?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And even when that happened, we mourned the death of
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Mike Tyson dominant boxing. People just need something and someone
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: to believe in. And the one thing that really stops
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: you more than anything from believing that the people that
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: you admire are superhuman is when they die. Because when
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: they die, you are reminded they are just humans capable
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: of super things. They are not super humans. And I
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: think sometimes that's a little bit of a mindfuck for people.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote after Prince died, I was like, dying
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: is the only ordinary thing he ever did.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: It's impossible to believe that that man could do something
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: so ordinary. And I'll ask you this question kind of
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: as we get to the end here. Is it better
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: that we waited to talk about Malcolm Jamal Warner and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: get to the places we got to after talking about
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: the crack or should we talked about the crack after? Like,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: you know, should we have gotten people to this like
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: heartfelt emotional place and then got us.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: To the crack? Like, I'm taking inventory. I'm doing this
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: right now for us, for the people.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Like, as I thought about it, I was like, wow,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: we just had an excellent, like excellent 20, 30 minutes
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: of this, right?
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, damn, maybe I shouldn't have got us
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: to the crack. You know, so quick.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't have been out here talking about the
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: prison rodeo and everything else.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Maybe I should have gotten right.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: To the emotions.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: But I wanted to talk about crack.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: And your insights about the crack and the market research
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and everything else was all so fascinating. But I just
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: wondered if I had done this wrong.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: You know what, Bo? Every... There's so many people that
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: are that are casted in the role of the black
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Larry David, but I'm not so sure that Larry David
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: isn't the white Bomani Jones. What be going on? I'm
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: not so sure that he's not the white Bomani Jones. Nah, man,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: the conversation. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. So this
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: is the thing with me.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? When it comes to those
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: things is.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Every now and then you got to figure out a
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: way to put a pin in it, but you.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Don't want it to be down.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you got to scratch it in some heat. And
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: then get it right there.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: And then people be like, oh, yeah, I forgot about
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that jam.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he played it earlier.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: It was hitting there.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: We can listen to it one more time. You know
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying?
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Word, word. No, I think it rolled out the way
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: it was supposed to because, you know, the story about
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: you being on CNN when he passed away, It's the
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: same thing that happened on Higher Learning. Like, I legitimately,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: me and Rachel are talking about Stephen Colbert or something else,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: and you can see it on the recording. Higher Learning
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: on the Ring of Podcast Network, by the way. Go
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: check it out. You can see me go. And then,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's me and her, but we've had him
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: on the show. We've talked to him. We have to
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: figure out how we contextualize his life real quick. And
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are still kind of
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: struggling and dealing with that. Dog, I think people... Do
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: you know that the Prince thing, if I remember correctly,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think Prince got his just due for his death.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. I think the Prince thing,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, and I always blame Charlamagne for this.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to blame him for it right now. The
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Prince thing happened the same weekend as Birdman put some
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: respect on my name. Wow. And so I think Birdman
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: put some respect on my name actually muted some of
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: the discussion and the talk about the life of Prince.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Because I'm pretty sure, because this was a, I remember
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: how TMZ broke the story of Prince passing away. I
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: remember how we got the story. I'm pretty sure that
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Birdman put some respect on my name was either a
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: couple of days after or that weekend. And I always thought, man,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Birdman owns, owes the Prince's estate. an apology for making
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: everybody talk about, put some respect on my name for five,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: six days in a row when we should have been
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: talking about Purple Rain.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Timing is so interesting, right? Farrah Fawcett dies right before
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson dies.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Same thing.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Right? Like, like there's that one.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Um, there was another one that I just thought about,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: but I was in Paris when Prince died. I went
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: to Paris to interview Tata Hossie for Playboy. And so
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I was, I was immersed in it. Right. And you know,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: my social media feed was all of it. Like I, I,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: It how the news cycle. Oh, this is what I
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: was thinking about. James Brown died on Christmas Day.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, shit. I don't even remember that. Yeah.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Exactly, right? James Brown died on Christmas Day.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: And then, by the way, later we find out that
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: James Brown may have been murdered, and that didn't even, like,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: make traction. James Brown's the baddest motherfucker that ever lived,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: and that never really got the traction.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: But Prince died. Prince died three months after David Bowie died, right?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: And, like, with Bowie, in line with what I was saying,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Bowie had it set that when he died, a new
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: album would come out.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: And it was good.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: And the one he had put out before that was
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: also good. But it was, like, your friendly reminder that
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: David Bowie is still a bad motherfucker, and he died.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: You know, like those hit like differently. Damn, I just
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: figured out how to get us out on a happy
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: note talking about crack. So Van Lathan, Van Lathan, check
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: him out on the Ringer. It's been the 11th crack
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: commandment here. Don't, don't, if I just say, once he,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: once he sell his TV, he'll get no more rock
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: from me. Cause you know, it's about to be, it's
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: about to be bad news.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? My brother, I appreciate you.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Always, man. Appreciate what you're doing, brother. Keep it up.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: All right, man.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Be good.
• 54:57
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