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Is CFB Spring Ball a Waste of time? Why NFL Draft Loves Younger Players · Unafraid Show with George Wrighster

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Oh, we got a lot for
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  Speaker 1: you guys today. We gotta talk about a question that
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  Speaker 1: I was asked, what does spring practice actually do for you?
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  Speaker 1: Is this even a worthwhile time? And then the same
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  Speaker 1: thing about seven on seven is what we also have
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  Speaker 1: to talk about if this is a basketball thing that
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  Speaker 1: actually impacts recruiting in football as well. So Queen's College
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  Speaker 1: is Queen's University their basketball coach, he is pissed because
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  Speaker 1: he said that teams from other conferences and other schools
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  Speaker 1: are showing up at their games courtside seats to go
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  Speaker 1: watch their players and start recruiting them out of the
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  Speaker 1: transfer portal before the season is even over with. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell you I'm not mad at it, and I
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  Speaker 1: actually think that their coach and other coaches being upset
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  Speaker 1: about this, they are thinking about this one the wrong
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  Speaker 1: way and they need to take a page out of
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  Speaker 1: Nevada's head coach choke Back in football because he has
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  Speaker 1: the right way.
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  Speaker 2: Of thinking about things.
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  Speaker 1: We also have to talk about who is the top
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  Speaker 1: dog in the state of Florida because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are wondering, Oh, is it Miami? Is it Florida State?
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  Speaker 1: Is it us sef for all the cried out loud
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  Speaker 1: right now. So we got to break that down plus
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  Speaker 1: top ten list today one of the most fun that
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  Speaker 1: we have done. And also we got to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the NFL Draft and ages and how this impacts college
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  Speaker 1: football recruiting because a lot of times we look at
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  Speaker 1: these five star freshmen, these high four star freshmen.
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  Speaker 2: But we never look at the age right.
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  Speaker 1: And then the NFL Draft, there is a trend because
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  Speaker 1: we all thought that they would start drafting much older players,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not exactly what has been happening. They have
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  Speaker 1: actually been drafting younger players again, twenty one and under
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  Speaker 1: and the twenty three in overcrowd. When do they get
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  Speaker 1: drafted and how it's impacting everything. So we got to
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  Speaker 1: break that down plus so much more. Make sure that
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  Speaker 2: Y'all. Let's get to the show.
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  Speaker 1: The question that I was asked, was what does spring
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  Speaker 1: practice do for you? Because a lot of people are
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  Speaker 1: looking at Kurt Signetti. He was like, I don't even
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  Speaker 1: use all my spring practices. Our practices are like all
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  Speaker 1: of this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So the reason why spring practice matters, in my personal
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  Speaker 1: opinion and my experience with it, is that's where as
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  Speaker 1: a younger player, that's where you build your confidence at
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  Speaker 1: That's where your confidence to go into the fall and
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  Speaker 1: go play well, that's where it's built because you just
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  Speaker 1: finished watching a bunch of players that you played with
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  Speaker 1: either prepare for the NFL Draft or go to the
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  Speaker 1: NFL Draft, or players that you played against. After my
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  Speaker 1: freshman year at Oregon, I was one hundred percent sure
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  Speaker 1: I was going to the NFL, no question, because I
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  Speaker 1: saw the success that I had as a freshman against
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  Speaker 1: guys that were going to the NFL, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: in two more years from now, three more years from now, bro, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna be a savage.
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  Speaker 1: So going into spring ball, going against other players, it
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  Speaker 1: just built the confidence. And also it just gives you
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity to take all the things you've been working
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  Speaker 1: on in your free time, in your off time, all
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  Speaker 1: the training that you've been doing and getting a chance
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  Speaker 1: to put it in the application.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, And if you.
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  Speaker 1: Don't play football from like if you play football basically
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  Speaker 1: from camp in July until the end of the season,
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  Speaker 1: either in Endo November or if you're playing into January
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  Speaker 1: then and you don't play again until the next July,
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  Speaker 1: there's a little bit there, like it's gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a tougher of an adjustment and the
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  Speaker 1: older players are gonna have a much bigger advantage. But
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  Speaker 1: where spring ball plays, and always those young guys, it
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  Speaker 1: is the confidence. It is the reps. That's where the
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  Speaker 1: development from the class room gets to be put into practice.
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  Speaker 1: Now for newer coaches, I believe that in terms of
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  Speaker 1: newer coaches at newer places and you're trying to build
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  Speaker 1: your culture, I think that spring practice is imperative because
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  Speaker 1: that's where you're going to set the tone for physicality.
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  Speaker 1: It is where you're going to set the tone for
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  Speaker 1: attention to detail and where you go and where you
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  Speaker 1: teach the lessons of discipline not making mistakes. But it's
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  Speaker 1: also more about teaching. It also gives you. If I
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  Speaker 1: were a head coach, I would spend much more time
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  Speaker 1: teaching in springball, and then the application and the reps
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  Speaker 1: of that teaching in springball. So I would spend much
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  Speaker 1: more time in the classroom with my players than actually
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  Speaker 1: on the field because we got to take it from like,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta take all the mental reps the way when
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  Speaker 1: we get out on the field we can play fast.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where Nick Saban, I feel like I learned
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  Speaker 1: so much from him talking about how to coach and
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  Speaker 1: how to do these things, because he talked about like,
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  Speaker 1: you should not be teaching a player a drill in practice.
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  Speaker 1: He should learn the drill on the board, watch film
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  Speaker 1: of it. That way, when he goes goes out to
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  Speaker 1: practice to execute that drill, he already knows how it
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  Speaker 1: is going to work. He already knows how it works,
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  Speaker 1: like there's no questions, it's clear. So I believe this
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  Speaker 1: spring ball is a necessary thing for players in terms
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  Speaker 1: of their maturation and growth, and it also allows teams
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  Speaker 1: to be able to see what they see what they
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  Speaker 1: have out of young players, because when you get to
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  Speaker 1: fall camp, a lot of the depth chart is already
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  Speaker 1: baked in and you don't have enough practices to be
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  Speaker 1: trying to wonder, oh are these freshmen who checked in
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  Speaker 1: in January, are any of them ready to play? Or
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  Speaker 1: are my juniors ready to play? Like there's not enough reps.
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  Speaker 1: So it gives you the opportunity to identify developmental players
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  Speaker 1: and then put them on the developmental path through after
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  Speaker 1: spring ball, through summer, and then through fall camp. While
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  Speaker 1: you're focusing more energy on the players who are going
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  Speaker 1: to play in the fall versus the developmental guys, you
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  Speaker 1: can put them in developmental spots in the fall. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why springball is important. The next thing that I
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  Speaker 1: found very interesting this week was Queen's University head coach
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  Speaker 1: in basketball. Obviously, the conference tournaments are going on and
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  Speaker 1: this is happening all over the place, and Queen's University
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  Speaker 1: is a small, small place, and had their coach was
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  Speaker 1: complaining that bigger schools from higher division levels and all
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  Speaker 1: their stuff that they are showing up, that their scouts
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  Speaker 1: and people from their school are sitting courtside at their
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  Speaker 1: games essentially get ready to recruit their players. And to me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not mad at this at all. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it, love it, love So let me give
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  Speaker 1: the players in this So the head coach's name is
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  Speaker 1: Grant Leonard okay over at Queen's and they had their
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  Speaker 1: Atlantic Son Conference Championship tournament, and he said that there
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  Speaker 1: was an SEC assistant that he purchased the ticket to
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  Speaker 1: one of them one of their games to get ahead
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  Speaker 1: of recruiting one of his players in the transfer portal. Now,
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  Speaker 1: for me, I love this. I'm not mad at this
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  Speaker 1: at all. And the reason why is Grant Leonard. I
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  Speaker 1: completely understand where he's like, I don't want my player
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  Speaker 1: distracted while we are trying to get to the NCAA tournament,
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out if we can win win a game,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, be one of these Cinderella stories. One
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent understand every single inch of that. But the
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  Speaker 1: issue is you are in the Atlantic Sun Conference. Your
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  Speaker 1: play are being recruded, your your player is going to
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  Speaker 1: be recruited by an SEC team coach. You cannot hold
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  Speaker 1: on to this player anymore. Stop being covetous. The Bible
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  Speaker 1: teaches us against this, the idea that you're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: able to keep a kid that inn SEO C school
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  Speaker 1: is gonna be able to play pay hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 1: of dollars.
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  Speaker 2: You should be telling that kid keep playing well, kid,
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  Speaker 2: go get your money.
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  Speaker 1: Drive up the price, because I guarantee you if Queens
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  Speaker 1: wins a couple of games in the NCAA tournament and
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  Speaker 1: the head coach gets another job, he gets an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to move up to the to the Mountain West, or
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  Speaker 1: if he gets a chance to move up to the
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  Speaker 1: SEC or anywhere else, you don't think the coach is
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  Speaker 1: gonna take the job. Of course he is, so the
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  Speaker 1: idea that he would then encourage his player not.
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  Speaker 2: To do this.
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  Speaker 1: It is selfish, It is selfish, and it is not right.
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  Speaker 1: Nevada Football's head coach Choke. He just recently said his
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  Speaker 1: sales pitch in recruiting is, Guys, I know you were
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  Speaker 1: under recruited in high school, or you feel like you
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  Speaker 1: should be somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Else, come to Nevada.
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  Speaker 1: We will develop you and go get And his quote
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  Speaker 1: was go get a million dollars from Oregon. But Oregon
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  Speaker 1: was just a placeholder. He was saying, Alabama, Oregon, Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: usc wherever it is, go get your bread. And that
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  Speaker 1: is exactly what head coaches should be focusing on, is
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  Speaker 1: growing and developing their players at smaller universities and get
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  Speaker 1: them out. Go get them money because guess what, when
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to sell the next kid to come to Queens,
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  Speaker 1: tell them come to Queens. We get developed. We sent
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  Speaker 1: this guy to Florida, we sent this guy to Alabama,
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  Speaker 1: we sent this guy to Duke, we sent this guy
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  Speaker 1: to Kentucky.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna get more recruits like that.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of trying to keep the one, think about what
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  Speaker 1: you can use to sell that to the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the players. Now you're gonna get better players have better
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  Speaker 1: chances to go to the NCAA tournament, which means.
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  Speaker 2: Coach, you get a better job, you.
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  Speaker 1: Make more money. This is a rising tide lifts all ships.
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  Speaker 1: Let's stop living in a scarcity mindset. Let's start living
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  Speaker 1: in a mindset of thriving. Let's start living in a
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  Speaker 1: mindset of of of of of high level. Let's do
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  Speaker 1: that because that is very very important. Come on, people,
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  Speaker 1: we can't live scared. We gotta live in a place
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  Speaker 1: where where we believe in ourselves and we thrive. So
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  Speaker 1: I know that there's a lot of coaches out there
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  Speaker 1: that get to talking about and granted, if you're a
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  Speaker 1: c and you're upset with what happened with old miss
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  Speaker 1: and your your player. That's a whole different thing because
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  Speaker 1: you're not trying to keep somebody from from their financial riches.
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  Speaker 1: Look at what at what happened at a school like
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  Speaker 1: UC Davis this last year.
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  Speaker 2: Their quarterback, Kayden Pinnick. He's at UC Davis.
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  Speaker 1: You see, Davis can only pay him, you know, seventy
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  Speaker 1: five maybe one hundred thousand dollars in nil.
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  Speaker 2: If Colorado and.
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  Speaker 1: Washington State and all these schools come come offering seven,
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  Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand million dollars, are you supposed to say no,
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. It's different if the finances are close, right,
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  Speaker 1: If you're saying, all right, some school offers the school
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  Speaker 1: on Matt offered me a half million dollars, I know
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  Speaker 1: that that's the ceiling for what they can pay. Another
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  Speaker 1: school's trying to offer me six point fifty or seven hundred,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know. These coaches don't really notice it.
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  Speaker 1: Situation I like it here, blah blah blah. Then you
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  Speaker 1: might be able to turn that down. But if we're
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  Speaker 1: talking five hundred thousand compared to two and a half million,
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  Speaker 1: they make relative numbers. Baby, you gotta make sense. It's
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  Speaker 1: got to make sense. And as a coach. You can't
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  Speaker 1: covet your players. You have to treat them with the
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  Speaker 1: same dignity and respect that you would want. You gonna
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  Speaker 1: do what's best for your family, right, just like any
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  Speaker 1: of us, would we get a better opportunity we are
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  Speaker 1: We do the Unafraid Show here, right. Let's say that
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  Speaker 1: Fox calls or CBS and they're like, George, I need
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: you to shut down Unafraid Show, but we're gonna pay
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  Speaker 1: you five million dollars a year. I got bad news
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  Speaker 1: that this will be my last day on the show
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: until until we can negotiate it back back in. But
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  Speaker 1: if you tell me, g we'll give you three and
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  Speaker 1: a half four and you can keep it. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: take the three and a half four and keep it
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like we can build this into something great.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a number that can get me to stop
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  Speaker 1: doing it. There's a number that can get you to
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  Speaker 1: change your job and your work or your zip code.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the truth, and we gotta live with it
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  Speaker 1: and understand it because we all want the same things.
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  Speaker 1: Financial security, geographic desirability, and a place where our family
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  Speaker 1: and loved ones are happy. That's all we want. So
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  Speaker 1: if there's a sliding scale for all of it. Money's
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  Speaker 1: not always at the top. Sometimes the location is more important.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes your family, any of those things can be more important.
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  Speaker 1: But we can't begrudge people for doing the right thing
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  Speaker 1: for them. But you guys, though we got so much
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  Speaker 1: let's get into it. We got a good discussion today
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  Speaker 1: because there's a lot of talk about recruiting, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of talk about draft picks, how old guys are, where
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  Speaker 1: you should recruit them, and a whole bunch of things
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  Speaker 1: to them where you should draft them because guys get
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  Speaker 1: called uncor too old in this. But we're noticing some
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  Speaker 1: draft trends. We're going back from twenty twenty three to
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five draft, which obviously
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six draft is coming up, so it'll
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  Speaker 1: be notable how this plays off and plays into this,
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  Speaker 1: and how recruiting plays into it too with the whole
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  Speaker 1: backs everything else. So we're gonna break this whole thing down.
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  Speaker 2: About the show. Let's get to it.
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  Speaker 1: So, Ralph, there's been a lot of people who have
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  Speaker 1: talked about, you know, how old players are going in
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  Speaker 1: the draft. When they were talking about Bo Nicks, Michael Pennix,
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  Speaker 1: you know all those guys going in the draft in
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  Speaker 1: the NBA, they were skewing toward high school players for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. And now we're in a situation with
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  Speaker 1: the NFL Draft where people are wondering are older players
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  Speaker 1: better because you're getting you know, Hakim Matt Mezadora, Rubin Bain,
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  Speaker 1: they're both older. You got ponds from Indiana. Mint Mendoz
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  Speaker 1: is a little bit older. Like there are older guys
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  Speaker 1: all over the place, and people you know, they were like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: they're too old, but it feels like that they're more
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  Speaker 1: ready to play. But you dug deep and you figured out,
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  Speaker 1: like what's been going on in the draft over the
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  Speaker 1: last three years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And this is what I really wanted to talk
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  Speaker 3: to you about this because it kind of reflects on
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  Speaker 3: a little bit on your experience, or at least where
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  Speaker 3: you were projected when you were coming out in the
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  Speaker 3: draft and what you were initially told. And I'm wondering
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  Speaker 3: when I presented you these statistics when we were like
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  Speaker 3: prepping for the show, I'm wondering kind of how surprised
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  Speaker 3: you are by some of this. Because I was looking
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  Speaker 3: at the CBS mock draft for the upcoming twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: six NFL Draft, and thirteen of the projected first sixteen
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  Speaker 3: picks until you get to a Keen Messador who is
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  Speaker 3: a lot older, until you get to a key Messador,
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  Speaker 3: thirteen of the top sixteen have eligibility left as far
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  Speaker 3: as projecting the first round. So that made me go
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  Speaker 3: back and look at the last few drafts and see
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  Speaker 3: just how many guys despite the fact that we've got
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  Speaker 3: so many older players because of COVID eligibility, especially the
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  Speaker 3: last three seasons, how many were getting picked early and
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  Speaker 3: then when you got to the mid rounds. Was that
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  Speaker 3: still a trend? And this is what I found going
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  Speaker 3: back three years. So starting with the twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 3: NFL Draft, in the first round, you had eleven players
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  Speaker 3: who were twenty one or under at the time that
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  Speaker 3: they were being drafted. In the twenty four NFL Draft,
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  Speaker 3: you had fourteen players who were twenty one and under,
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  Speaker 3: and last year you had sixteen players and there's thirty
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  Speaker 3: two picks obviously, so in the last three drafts you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about forty one players, forty one out of ninety six,
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  Speaker 3: so like nearly half, nearly half of the players have
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  Speaker 3: been twenty one or under in the first round. Now
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  Speaker 3: we've had some older players too, but it might not
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  Speaker 3: be what you think, because if you go back to
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, only four players were twenty three or
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  Speaker 3: older at the time of getting drafted. There was a
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  Speaker 3: big spike in twenty twenty four because obviously that lines
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  Speaker 3: up perfectly with COVID, but still that was only eleven
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  Speaker 3: less than the fourteen who were drafted who were twenty
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  Speaker 3: one and under, and then last year the discrepancy was
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  Speaker 3: sixteen who were twenty one and under and only four
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  Speaker 3: only four who were twenty three and over. The most
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  Speaker 3: common age you would think would be twenty two for
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  Speaker 3: any draft pick, because that's your basic eligibility. But the
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  Speaker 3: truth of the matter is most of the guys who
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  Speaker 3: are drafted in the earliest round in the NFL draft
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  Speaker 3: are drafted the moment that they're possibly eligible to even
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  Speaker 3: be a pro. And we'll get into what actually happens
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  Speaker 3: when you move on in the rounds of the draft
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  Speaker 3: after this. But I wonder, George, what's your reaction to
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  Speaker 3: that that the projections for this upcoming draft matchup with
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  Speaker 3: the last three That the guys who go first, the
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: ones you get the longest contractual rights to, are are
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: the youngest players available.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: So I find that interesting because you the natural thinking
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: was at first that and this is why data matters,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: is you would have thought that after that was a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four draft where you had so many older
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: players because of the COVID year, because you got an
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: extra year of eligibility, that players were going to trend
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the older, that they were going to see that these
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: players come out ready to play, and but it's actually
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: just reverted back to exactly what it was prior, where
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: clubs are favoring the younger players because they're still excited
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: about them. And I want you guys to watch this
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: upcoming draft and also watch next year's draft. And a
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: player that I want you to pay attention to in
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: next year's draft twenty twenty seven is Jeremiah Smith. Remember
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: coming out his freshman year, Oh my god, he's the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: greatest season slice brand, number one player off the board.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: If he were at draft eligible everything this year, Oh
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: my gosh, he's still probably he's probably still the best
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: receiver in college football, but now there's a probably in
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: front physically impressive. He'll be a first round pick, a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: top pick, but now all of a sudden, it ain't
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the surefire number one pick because they've seen so much
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: tape on you. They've seen your flaws, they've seen more
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: of the things. And then this upcoming year there are
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: going to be people I'm not even sure if he's
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the number one wide receiver off the board, guarantee, somebody
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: says that, and you're going to and so the more
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: tape they get on you, even though that he'll still
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: be a junior.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: The more that you're exposed to the criticism.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: And that's why I think that you have guys who
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: have big who had a decent sophomore season and then
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: take a huge leap their junior year. They're like, oh,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the iron is hot right now. And I think that
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: that's the natural way that coaches and everybody they think
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: about things. Everything feels more grand the newer it is,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: So I think that that that's why the younger players
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: get trended to. It's the same way in the NBA.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Why Dame Lillard wasn't the first pick or why other
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: guy Why they draft, you know, nineteen year olds with
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the number one pick instead of a proven college guy
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: who was in college two or three years and then
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: he goes and be and is an NBA superstar compared
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to trying to you know, project and do projects and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: put guys on the bench and stash them and develop them.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Because they keep drafting off of player's potential and their
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: ceiling instead of their floor. I always believe Ralph that
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: you should draft off people's floor. That what the worst
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: thing that I'm going to get out of this dude?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: So if the worst thing that I'm gonna get is
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: like if the if a sinkhole happens essentially in his career,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: what is the worst thing I'm gonna get? Okay, the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: worst thing I'm gonna get is a decent starter, that
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: means draft him. But if the worst thing that I
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: can get is a dude that's unplayable or you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I can't start him. But his ceiling, oh my god,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: he could be the greatest of all time. If he
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: hits his ceiling, that is a waste of time. You
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: really want high floor. High ceiling, guys, but you also
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: want high floor is tremendously more important, and I think
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: coaches get lost in that in college football and recruiting too.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Ralph And part of this goes back to the age
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: of players. So there was a study done. It was
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: either about two four seven or on three, and they
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: talked about like some of the biggest high school factories,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you know, the modern days of the world, Saint John Bosco's,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the IMGs, the Saint Francis out of Baltimore, Beford like
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: other places, and kids who are nineteen going into their
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: senior year who were holdbacks generally don't make it to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the NFL.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: It is the kids who are age appropriate.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And but it's so but we we said all the time,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: so many of the older kids, oh my god, they
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: jump off film.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh my god.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: But if you think about it, they're a year older
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: they should, right, And that means that when they get
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: to college, the amount of room that they can grow
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: is less than somebody who is age appropriate. So so
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: so I'm not telling you not to hold your kids
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: kids back. It depends on it depends on their their age,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: their birthday, all of that stuff. Like I reclassed my
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: middle son because he was basically going to be thirteen
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: going into high school and that wasn't going to work.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: He was just turning fourteen right when school started, and
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: he plays quarterback and all that stuff. So with his
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: so now instead of checking into college in January after
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: of his senior year, halfway through and still having another
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: more than half a year left at seventeen and being
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: seventeen year old Ryan Williams, he'll be eighteen when he
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: goes to college now instead of you know, instead of seventeen,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Like my older son was.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: What do you think the what do you think youth
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: is worth as far as just spots, because like, there's
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: a couple of guys who are projected. One is probably
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: projected as a mid first rounder, one is projected as
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: a later first rounder, but solidly in the first round.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: And I'm talking about Tennessee's Colton Hood and Utah's Caleb Blomu.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Caleb Blomo is a guy that I covered at the
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: high school level. They both have multiple years of eligibility left.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: And there's some people who say that Dylan Tieneman would
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: have as well, that he would have had multiple years
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: of collegiate eligibility left. I've seen him listed as a junior,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: and I've seen him listed as a red shirt sophomore
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: in certain places. But what do you think it's worth? Like, so,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: if Caleb Blomo, same tape, same exact tape, but he's
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: twenty three and not twenty one at the time of draft,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: what do you think that's worth to some of these teams?
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Nothing is different, not a single thing is different. If
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Kleb Blomu or Colton Hood is twenty three with the
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: tape they have now versus twenty one, dang.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, then they're gonna say, oh, man, you know, between
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: his last two years, we feel like he should have
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: got a little bit better. All of a sudden, the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: quote unquote flaws in his game looked much much bigger,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: much bigger.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Because that and that's so wild, because like, what is
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: the difference between training a twenty one year old and
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: a twenty three year old on the same skill sets
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: with the same coaching, Like, what, genuinely, what is the difference?
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I wonder?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's more perception than anything else. And honestly, Ralph,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: like this reminds me a lot of this whole thing
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: when obviously he relates to my kids, but also when
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I was coming out in the draft, I was twenty
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: one until like right before the draft started. I got
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: played in my last college football season at twenty one,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and then and then I turned twenty two right in
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: April of that way, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I turned
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: twenty two that year, right right before the draft in April.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: So at that age, I feel like your body's in
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a good spot.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: You are.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I've definitely wasn't mature enough to be going to the NFL,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: but a lot of times your talent and God given
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: ability takes you to places you're not mentally, emotionally and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: spiritually ready for. But if I had to choose between
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: drafting a younger player and an older player right twenty
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: three and older, if I've had a it also depends
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: on the position too, right, because it's the physical traits,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Because if I see somebody who is productive on film,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: but then they also have explosive traits like special traits,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: then yes, I'm going to draft you high. But a
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: lot of times teams they get so focused it's kind
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: of like the five Star thing Ralph, where they're sitting
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: there drafting I'm sorry, where they are ranking five star
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: players based upon their traits more than anything else. This
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: reminds me of when I was coming out in the draft.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I was twenty one years old. I played my last
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: season at twenty one, and then got drafted at twenty
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: two years old.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I wasn't.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Mature enough to be in the league for sure, because
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of times your god given ability takes you
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to places that you're not mentally, emotionally and spiritually ready for.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: But physically I was good. I was ready to go.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: And so if I had to choose between drafting a
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: twenty three year old who has good tape and the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: measurables are for real, Like the measurables are jump off
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the screen for you, and he's twenty three or an
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: underclassman whose measurables jump off the screen. I'm probably gonna
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: draft a twenty three year old because I want more
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: mature guys. And but usually the physical freaks don't stay
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: in college for four years, you know what I mean, Like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: your freakiness gets you out early. Like I was a
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: junior when I came out. Imagine, like Anthony Richardson, you
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: get so enamored. Oh my god, look at him, Look
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: at him, big old arm throws it through the roof.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: They ignored the.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Tape, and they ignored the tape a lot of times,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: like when they drafted Matt Jones and Jacksonville.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Like like the.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Tape said, yes, he should be a draft pick, but
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: not you know, middle of the first round.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: But that's what they're looking for in the first round.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Though.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Ralph is freakish, especially at the top of the first round. Freakish,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you know, looking good getting off the bus for the
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: more like you have to have it an elite at
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: least one, but probably multiple elite traits and usually physically
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: imposing to get drafted that high.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: It's just wild to me how much how much it
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: flips right from from the first round where at like
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: the youngest players available mostly are getting taken to then
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: just skip to the third round, skip to the third
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: round the NFL draft. Take the last three drafts, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: this will tell you exactly who nflgms are and how
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: they operate, because you know, we just established that it's
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: like a three to one likelihood of a twenty one
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: or younger being taken over a twenty three year older
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: in the first round, but when you get to the
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: third round, it is very, very different. Three years ago,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: twenty players in the third round were twenty three or older.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Only three we're twenty one or younger. In two years
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: ago that was twenty two to five in favor of
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: twenty three plus year old prospects. And just this last year,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five draft was fifteen twenty three year
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: olds to six twenty one or younger. And there's a
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: guy who covers college football. He's super talented. We got
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: to get him on this show. His name is Sean
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Jaya Rajah and he wrote this awesome article last year.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: This is last April leading up to the NFL draft
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: to talk about the effect of the fact that you
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: actually have less twenty one or unders coming out that
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: if you go back to the twenty twenty one NFL Draft,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty eight underclassmen went into the draft
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: and twenty eight when undrafted, so one in five basically
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: is going undrafted. But if you fast forward to the
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four NFL Draft, only fifty eight underclassmen entered
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: and only five went undrafted, so it went from one
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: in five to one in ten and the number got
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: cut in half.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: So now the question is does that make the league better? Like,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: does that put a better product in the NFL because
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: guys are older because they're opting for an additional year
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Because it's clear the number supported that more players are
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: opting for because they can get paid for that senior
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: year of college. I believe that that makes the draft
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: competition that much tighter, right because you are competing against
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: more seasoned players. And then also it makes the NFL
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: product better because you're gonna have less busts, or technically
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you should because players are more developed when they come
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: in and you don't have to develop them at the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: same rate that you used to.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: And there's got to be. I mean, you've been in
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: this situation. I haven't clearly, but there's got to be
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: no worse feeling. As a fan, it feels pretty terrible.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: So there's got to be no worse feeling than the
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: doubts that creep in as the rounds are going on
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: that you left eligibility on the table and you're not
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: getting drafted where you thought you were going to get drafted.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, I do you know what? It's funny?
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I did think about that, like months and years after
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the draft. I had a second round grade going the
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: fourth round. Very beginning of the fourth round set up
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: character issues, even though I had never been in trouble.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: But still I always think about what would have happened
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: had I gone out the next year, And granted my
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: life has turned out really well, I may have and
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I always look at things like a blessing, whereas had
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I gone out Because I have spinal synosis, and when
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I finished playing, I go to the back doctor like, YO,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: looking at this, MRI, I'm surprised you were able to
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: walk in here. People would crawl in here looking with
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: it with neck and back in Myriyes, that looked like this.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: So I look at it as a blessing. I got
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a chance to play, you know, six years in the league,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: then have a cup of coffee with the Giants, and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: then go to the UFL and play for a season.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: If I go earlier, I may go to a situation
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: where I don't go to Jacksonville where we're mainly a
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: running team. I go somewhere and I'm catching fifty sixty
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: seventy balls a year and then I break my neck.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Youar me? That could have been the thing?
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Is that me being in a system that was more
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: fit for me where I catch more balls exposes me
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: to more risk, more hits, which could have put me
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: in a worse position after. So I try to look
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: at things as a positive and not.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Look at it.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, things could have been so great had
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I come out.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Who is yours?
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I have?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: But then I might not have my kids, I might
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: not have my wife, I might like the things could
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: have worked out?
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Is butterfly fac very true? But I know you're a human,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: and I know you're a football fan. Who is your
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: poster child for should have stayed? Should have stayed one
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: more year? I'll give you mine. I'll give you mine
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: while you think about it, Okay, as a man by
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: the name of Brett Smith, and of course you're not
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: going to be surprised by this. Brett Smith was the
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Mountain West Freshman of the Year in twenty eleven. He was
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: a three year starter at Wyoming from twenty eleven to
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: twenty thirteen. Eighty eight hundred passing yard, seventy six touchdowns,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: sixteen hundred USh yards, twenty touchdowns. He was a monster.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: He had a year of eligibility left he decided to
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: come out. He went undrafted, got a camp invite to
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in twenty fourteen, but spent twenty
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: fourteen with the Toronto Argonauts. Was in Canadian football for
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: the next three years. He only really played for the
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Saskatchewan rough Riders in twenty fifteen, so he never really
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: got any run. He could have been Wyoming's all time
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: great as a as a quarterback. Instead, he finished his
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: career with fifteen career professional touchdown passes, all in the CFL.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: And yeah, he's my biggest what if of all time.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: For me.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And this is a kid I know, and I'm wishing
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: the best for him, But I would say Amar Bailey
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: in basketball, goes to UCLA freshman year, comes out pretty
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: sure he's gonna be a second round draft pick, but
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: he goes anyway. And I wanted him to stay at
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: UCLA for another year. Nil was there. It could have
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: made big money in college too, and I think that
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: that second year would have put him. When you're a
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: second round pick in the NBA, unless you come out
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and just absolutely kill it, it's tough to stick. And
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what he's dealing with. And so I
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: wish him the best, but I definitely wish he had
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: stayed at school one more year.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Well you might get your wish because he was on
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: an official visit to Grand Canyon University like three weeks ago.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, but I don't know if that's gonna
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that's gonna it pan out with
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the way that it's panned out for a lot of
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: other you know, guys who've come come back.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: You know who ruined this the whole, Like I'll go
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: in a second round will be a blessing? Is your
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: boy that he went to high school.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: With Gilbert Ratings, Yeah, yeah, because he instead of great,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's worked out for for Jo Kich Draymond Green,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: but I think Draymond Green was out of eligibility.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: But still like it's worked out for some players, but you.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Can't pnd them going last in the draft, being a
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: top three player, only having a two year deal and
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: getting a sixty six million dollar contract by the time
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: you're twenty one.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, like I think Gilbert, I think anybody who is
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: trying to follow in Gilbert Arena's footsteps got to have
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: like really strong legs to be able to carry the
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: clown shoes that it takes. Like he he is a
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: true pioneer, an absolute true pioneer in everything he does.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Not a role model though Charles Barkley style, don't do.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: It as a fact.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: But I want to take to take this before he
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: finishes conversation into the recruiting world. So when it comes
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to holebacks, right, I want you guys to start paying
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: attention to the age of recruits, age of recruits and
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: because the older ones, like guys who were nineteen their
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: senior year, when we get twenty year old freshmen, those
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: guys typically don't pan out the same way that that
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: other guys do. So I want you all to pay
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: attention to that so, Ralph, how often actually I know
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: because we've talked about it, But tell everybody how often
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: you actually like look at the ages of players when
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: you're looking at recruits.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: I don't have to. All I have to do is
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: say something good about a player to a parent that
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: is not of that kid, and I will find out
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: the age of that kid immediately.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: That's that is a bro that is number one. Because parents,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the first thing that you say is, yeah, yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: He's he's he's he's young though, yeah he's young, or man,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: he's an old kid, like he's a he's a double
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: hole back, Like we're not even acknowledged, Like there's a
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: sense of we're not even acknowledging what you're doing with
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: double holdbacks, and there's a yeah, or even sometimes if
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you're an older, young one time holdback, they're like, yeah,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: it's different. So yeah, you are right, Ralph. The parents
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: will definitely tell the story on you.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, and it doesn't even have to be the parents.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: And this has been my life, Love, I've existed in
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: this recruiting space since twenty twelve, and it's not even anything.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: This is just an observation. It's nothing I asked for.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: I usually don't get into it. Three of my four
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: kids are holdbacks, not even for athletic reasons. They're like yours.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: They win in early to see if they can hang.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: The COVID year happened and I was like, six of
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: us can't use the internet at the same time. So
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: we took a year off. We went, we went high king,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: we enjoyed ourselves right.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: I have a bunch of kids. I have three boys
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: who will be eighteen for their entire senior year. But
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I remember one high school football game I was covering,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: and it will definitely come up in conversation. If you
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: ask a parent, I'll be like, nah, I really like
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: this kid. They'd be like, you know, they're a year
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Like there's a dB. There's a back at UCLA right
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: now who I've never been able to say anything good
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: about without people bringing up his age ever, and people
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: they could probably find out if they looked. But there
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: was a quarterback, Jacob Conover and one of my favorite
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: high school quarterbacks of all time, and he was playing
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs his senior year of high school and
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: the other school's opposing student section. This is actually where
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Caleb Lomu went to school, who we just talked about earlier.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: The opposing student section brought like a walker and a cane.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: And because the day of the playoff game was his
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: nineteenth birthday, so like November of his senior year, he
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: was turning nineteen, and they sung him Happy Birthday and
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: they had like boxes of poly dent and they were
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: like they had like bright haired wigs, and so like
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: people will just tell you, they'll they'll just tell you.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Jaden Rashada's first call. It start as a freshman. He
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: turned twenty like during that game, and it was a
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: very big topic of conversation. And so you don't have
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: to you don't have to say much. People will just
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: bring it up. But when somebody's young, it's the exact
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: same way. He'd be like, hey, you know this kid
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: is playing up right, And that's the same in basketball too.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: You know this kid's playing up It just comes up.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: People are obsessed with age.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Get that.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: That's a fact, and everybody's gonna be able to relate
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to that one. Hey, but you guys, though, in just
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a minute, it is top ten time here on the show,
• 43:36
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• 43:45
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• 43:48
  Speaker 1: And we got a top ten list for you guys today,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: our top ten most unbelievable performances by people that were
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: very unexpected. And this comes on the hills of Bam
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: out of Bayo for the Miami Heat scored eighty three
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: points in a game and Ralph as a Kobe got
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: it made me upset. I don't know why it was
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: such a hater moment inside of me. I wasn't mad
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: at Bam at of Bayo. I was mad at Eric Sposter.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I was mad at the Washington Wizards because this was
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: gross they were following at the end of the game.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: It was a bush league performance and it was horrible. Right.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: But if I was bamed my mic no, it took
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: myself out of the game. I would have done the
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: honorable Kobe thing when Kobe took itself out with sixty
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: one points against the Dallas Mavericks.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: But I digress.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: But can I tell you that I hated it as
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I and I'm not. I spent most of my life
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: as a basketball fan on the receiving end of the
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: stuff that Kobe would do and I don't know, Like
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: for me, it didn't have as much to do with
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Kobe as it did like just the general erosion of
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: NBA defense and like the game has been solved, like
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: bam Adebayo has point guard handles, like it's just a
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: game where everyone can do everything.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: And it made.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Fowling in the last three minutes of a game.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, up, nasty, unethical. I feel you nasty. I get
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: all that, But do you know what I kind of
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: liked about it?
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: What was there, Like.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: It's been a minute since the Kobe fans have lost
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: their mind on the internet.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Dude, it it felt like an attack.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: It felt like an attack on Kobe because we're like,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: oh my god, bam scored eighty three and then I
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: went and looked forty three free throws.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: It was gross. It was gross.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: But you know how, you know, all these kids are
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: nostalgic for like twenty sixteen, Like everybody's like the world
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: was good up until twenty sixteen. Yeah, that's how it
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: gave me the nostalgia of like I remember twenty sixteen
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: when Kobe fans wouldn't shut up. They're just mad about
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: something all day every day, and they do a lot
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: of season.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they gave Steve Nash two ridiculous MVPs Insteadico because
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: they hated him at the time.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: It was terrible.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Disagree. You can keep your championship rings. I want my
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: twenty points, ten assists MVPs back to back, Thank you
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: very much.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: God. That was the worst, the worst MVPs of all time.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: But let me explain to you guys how crazy bam
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: at of Bayo's game was. So we got a math man,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: a stack guy put it out, said bam out of
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: bio broke math. His eighty three point game was eight
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and a half standard deviations above his career average, or
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: one in fifty three quadrillion, and based on career averages,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: it's like Patrick Mahomes passing for nine hundred and fifteen yards,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: which doesn't seem impossible in like in a come where
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: it was the old overtime rules. Justin Berlander throwing two
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: hundred and fourteen pitches in a start that only feels
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: possible in softball, and Chamberlain grabbing seventy nine rebounds, which
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know against people who's playing against it probably
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: feels possible. And then he said, for the math peeps,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: no scoring points in the NBA isn't a perfectly normal distribution. Yes,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: events like points and in the NBA game are more
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: susceptible to extreme outliers. On the high side, Yes, external
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: factors in circumstances impact results, So don't be a gatekeeper,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: is what he has said. So with that said, we
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: have our top ten list of things that we saw
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: in sports that we were just like, wait, wait what
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: he did?
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: What? Or she did what? I'll go first, Ralph my first.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever forget where I
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: was and what I was doing. In nineteen ninety when
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Mike Tyson went to go fight Buster Douglas in Tokyo
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson, it was like
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: knocking out Samson. It was like knocking out the strongest man,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the most feared man in the universe. And then you
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: realize we're all We're all just mortal men. So that
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: was a humbling experience.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna counter with twenty fourteen World Cup because that's
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: really the only time I watched soccer is when the
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: World Cup comes along.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Me too, I'm the big soccer fan in the entire world.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: During World Cup.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course of course, and then I don't even think.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: I don't even think about it the rest of the year.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: But I will give you the date. July first. It's
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: the middle of summer, and we had just come off
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: a draw against Portugal and the United States of America Americans, correct,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: So what do you think I was, Yeah, so we
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: had just come off a draw against Portugal. We beat Nigeria,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: and it was like, oh, are we like, do we
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: have a chance because Portugal is legit and we were
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: heading into a match against Belgium, and so I like,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I sat down on the couch, I like cleared my day.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: It's the middle of summer, but like, I am locked
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: in on this. And then I watched Tim Howard break
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: the record for saves in a World Cup match.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, because they were just and it was an
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: assault on the on the goal. Oh yeah, no, it
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: was defense that you've seen.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: It was one on the entire country of Belgium. It
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: was what it was one v everyone and we think
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: we lost in overtime to Belgium to one, but Tim
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Howard still got man in the match. So Tim Howard
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: breaking the saves record for me, that came out of nowhere.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Because like the only time I'm watching soccer is is
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: during the World Cup. I know that we're not good,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, it's like, do we have
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: the best soccer player on Earth Team America? But like, yeah,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: I just first that one for me stands out well.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Your your your first mistake is that you were watching
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: men's USA soccer. You should have been watching the women.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: That's a much more enjoyable experience. My next one, number
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: three Jeremy Lynn in twenty twelve when he went that
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: had the Kobe game at Madison Square Garden and then
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: also over a twelve game stretch, Lynn sanity happened twenty
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: two and a half points, eight and a half sorry,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: eight point seven assists.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Jeremy Lynn like he broke. He broke.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: He went in in a place that he never was
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: able to go back to again.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: And maybe his hit his Harvor his Harvard brain.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: He got too logical, tried to figure out how he
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: did it and all this stuff, and he was not
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: able to get back to the place that Lynn sanity
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: came from. But listen, the desk testament broken clock is
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: right twice a day.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: I love Jeremy Lynn. I remember watching that game live,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: the Kobe game, and just like that. That was maybe
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: the most fun I ever had watching a basketball game
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: because it was so so unlikely. And it's also it's cool,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: like real basketball fans love when the Knicks do something.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I I get it.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: If you're a Celtics fan and you disagree, or you're
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: a Sixers fan, you disagree, you want them to be
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: bad forever. If you're just a basketball fan, like when
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: something is happening in New York, the whole sport's more exciting.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: My next one happened against your Dodgers. Actually, I'm gonna
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: give you a date. I'm gonna give you a date
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: and see if you can actually guess what it is.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: April twenty third, nineteen ninety nine.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: That's the beginning of the season, early in the season,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. You're a Diamondbacks guy, so it's gotta
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: be something with.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Ninety nine.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I was a Diamondbacks guy then,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: because that's like year one or two.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't know what happened.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, So this is uh, this is Champo Park versus
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Fernando Tattis Senior. Two great slams in one inning off
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: the same picture. Oh, two grand slams in one inning
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: off the same picture.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Remember chan Ho Park. Oh god, that's atrocious. Oh young,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's that's horrendous. And Tatis was a
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: good player, but not that damn good where like like
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: he was okay, but he wasn't a dude that you
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: would expect to hit two Grand slams, let alone one.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: But I think people get con I think people maybe
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: don't remember Fernando tattoss accurately or appropriately. In part of that,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: I think is because of his son, who also has
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: a multi home run game against the Dodgers, which is
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: another completely insane statistic. But Fernando Tatis had one hundred
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: and thirteen career home runs, that's it, in all almost
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: a thousand games played. So two of those came in
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: one inning against the same guy in the middle of
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: what was by far, his like by a million miles,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: his best season. He had thirty four home runs that year.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: He never had over eighteen in any other season. In
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: the matrix, He's five eleven, one eighty. Like the likelihood
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: of that happening bill never never ever happened again, And
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: even Channel Bark still be into the game because the
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: manager had gotten tossed in the middle of the inning,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: so just no one came and got him. They just
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: left him out there.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Let him.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: They just let a starting pitcher die up there. Yes, wait,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: which which inning was it.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Early? I want to say it was like third or
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: fourth inning? There was Oh no, it was super early.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: If it happened in the first inning, yes, because you
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: don't have anybody warmed up everything like that. But thirty No,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: they should have had somebody ready, all right. Number five,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, David Tyres catch in the Super
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Bowl against the undefeated Patriots on the side of his head. Now,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: mind you, I went to the Giants the next year.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Everybody talked about mind you. They talked about it on television, right,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: but like when people tell the story back, but in
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: real life, in the locker room the very next year,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: people were still talking. I have no idea how he
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: caught that ball. He dropped everything that entire week. And
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: also he was mainly a special teams guy, so him
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: being in that position was already weird.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: And then him.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Making a catch like that, a guy who is who
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: was notoriously just an average catcher of the football to
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: make a catch like, I don't think Jerry Rice could
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: have made that catch. Only somebody unlikely could have made
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: that catch Angels in the outfield moment. So yes, that
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: that was incredible.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: David Tyree career receptions. Do you know how many catches
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: he had in his whole career?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: How many years did he play? He?
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I think pretty similar to you. He got He got
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: six years, with the last couple being like ten total
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: games because of injuries.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, I might have more more catches than the David
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Tyree did.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Let me check. I'll pull that up right now. I'll
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: be able to tell you if you have more career
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: catches than David Tyree.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: So I have nine regular season touchdowns and you need
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: something catches.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: You had ninety four catches. You had twice as many catches,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: twice as many touchdowns in your career.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Statement, but he's got a moment.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Were you for a for a brief moment, were you
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: on the same roster?
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, yep, yep, Yeah, So I saw him and that
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: was highly unimpressed as a like, as a guy who
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: as a catcher. Now, mind you, was a good football player,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: but you wouldn't mistake him for having the best hands
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: on the team at.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: All, but his name elicits a reaction in every football fan.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Correct, don't remember where you were when you saw that?
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Do you want to know where I was when I
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: saw that?
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: At the New England Patriots Super Bowl after party setting up?
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: That place was quiet, well, hell, that place was quiet
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: as hell.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: The ball trapped here, and you're just like, come on, man,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: ain't no way.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Earth Winding Fire was backwards.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Earth Wind and Fire was sound checking on stage. Alicia
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Keys was hanging out in the in the ballroom, on
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: the floor. Everybody was staring at one big screen. No
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: one said a damn word. I was at the New
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: England Patriots super Bowl after party setting up when that happened.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Wild night, Yes, sir, all right. Next up for me,
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: I got a question for you. Do you know where
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Curry College? Is?
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Never even heard of? Curry College?
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: I you and probably most most people outside of Milton, Massachusetts,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: where it is located. Where this football season this year,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: a five foot nine, one eighty pound running back from
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Goose Creek, South Carolina, a very good D three running
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: back who finished his college career with seven thousand yards rushing,
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: went into a game his this is his senior year.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: He went into a game coming off of back to
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: back monster performances. He was against New England College. They
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: won by fifty five. He had sixteen carries for two
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen yards. And then Maine Maritime, which I've
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: also never heard of, they beat sixty to nothing. He
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: had fifty carries for one hundred and seventy nine yards.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: He's coming off to monster performances, and they they are
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: playing nichols not Nickels, State, just Nicholsky, who came in
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: at two and three, and they gave this man, Monty Curry,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: the running back Monty Curry. They gave this man the
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: ball twenty times. Okay, what do you think he did
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: with those twenty carries, George.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Well, he just had fifty for one seventy nine, which
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: ain't which it's a deecit.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fifteen fifteen carries for one seventy nine the week before.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Oh I thought you said fifty fifteen fifteen Oh oh okay, okay, okay, okay,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: So we're getting.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Upset, so give him five more carries the next game.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: What do you think he did.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: If he did something absurd?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Because he's on this list, let's go four hundred and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: twenty yards.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, twenty carries five hundred and twenty two yards smashed
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: the ncublea single game record seven touchdowns.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: What where was the transfer portal?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: He had no where was playing against He had no
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: business playing against these people?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Where's the news?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Yo? Yeah?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: He had back to back sixteen hundred yard seasons going
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: into a senior year. Stays at Curry College. Ran for
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: twenty four hundred yards this last season, and five hundred
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: and twenty two of them came in one game.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Why did we not know about this? Bro?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Like, why wasn't it news? Why wasn't it Sports Center?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: I don't remember seeing it, But the ncublea record for
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: most rushing yards in one game right now is by
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: a guy named Monty Quinn from Curry College. And it
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: happened on just twenty carries twenty six yards of carry.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Bro.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: That's like when my anti ball and and Melvin wait
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: wait Melvin, oh god, he played in San Diego, Melvin Gordon,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: they rushed for four hundred yards in like back to
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: back weeks. It was like four oh seven and four
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: to twenty six or something like that. It was crazy
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I would be very fascinating to find out if Monty
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Quinn ends up on an NFL roster like as a
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: call in or something like that, just off of this
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: year's performances.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Next one for me, I have to get a name
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: pronunciation right, because the Internet helped me with this one.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: But I but it was funny because I remember seeing
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: footage of this. But I was like, bro, this is crazy.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: So a bb Bkilas, Yeah, a bb Bikilas won the
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Olympic marathon in nineteen sixty in Rome and set a
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: world record. That doesn't sound all that impressive, right until
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: you realize that it was done barefoot, barefoot, Yes, twenty
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: six point two miles barefoot and set a world record.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: I can't even walk to the trash can bearfoot without problems?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Ralph, Ralph.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: If when I have people at my house, because we
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: don't have shoes in the house, so you either have
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: to wear some house slippers, like some only house only
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: slippers or something. Bro, if I walk around my house
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: for a whole day on these hardwood floors without something
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: under my feet, my back is going to collapse. It
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: is going to feel like like the gates of hell
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: are in my lower back. And this man ran an
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: entire marathon and set a record, yes instead of word
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: You know how many people probably got injured because of him?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Bro, It's that's crazy.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: It's it's like old boy in the NFL now that
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: won't put shoes on.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Who walks into the stadium on that dirty cement?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Mccollins, Yes, Bro, that's nasty. It's nasty.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: It might be effective because Troy, Troy Poler model used
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: to train with no shoes on two in the off season.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: But still, bro, like you, you can't be walking around
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: that dirty ass feet. Bro, imagine the cow Oh god,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: how callous must your feet be for you to be
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: able to run twenty six point two miles without injuring
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: your feet?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: One misplaced rockets over Like, I don't understand. That's insane.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: That might be that might belong higher on this list.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: My next one is my introduction to pro football. Now,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: some people might disagree with this, but it was such
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: an absurd performance that it got me hooked. And then
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: to this day, I've never seen it again. So I
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: feel tricked. I really feel deceived. And you and I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: might have actually talked about this before because this happened
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: in I want to say, November of nineteen ninety six.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: I'm twelve. You didn't still mine, Okay, I got nervous.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: There's zero chance this would have ever come up on
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: your radar. You're gonna make fun of me for even
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: for even having it. But I was a huge NBA
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: fan as a little kid, and I loved baseball, loved
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: Tony Gwinn, loved the Atlanta Braves. Football was not on
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: my radar until like a little bit ninety five, and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: definitely ninety six. Ninety six was my football awakening. I
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: was twelve years old. Wyoming was good, Arizona State was good.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: I had this little Sony radio that I used to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: listen to games on, so I didn't even watch this
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: game on TV. I listened to the entire thing on
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: the radio. My introduction to the NFL came on November
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: twenty fourth, nineteen ninety six, when Boomer asiasin quarterback of
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals. I got the date wrong. It was
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: November tenth. Boomer Assison, quarterback of the Arizona Cardinals. This
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: was his statline, George thirty five of fifty nine. Okay,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: five hundred and twenty two yards, three touchdowns, four interceptions
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: in an overt against the then Washington Redskins.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Kay, I'm some failing to see how this feels.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Of So okay, so it's absurd in in the context
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: of what was happening at the time. Boomerasiasin was in
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: the twilight of his career.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: He this was only his second game played. Uh, it
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: was only his third start of the season, and it
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: was toward the end of the season. No, it's and
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: it has a little bit not to do with him.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: It has to do with everybody around him. Five hundred
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: and twenty two yards passing no receiver over one hundred
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: yards what?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, he had he is absurd.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: He was he was dotting up everybody, and I like,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: and again you have to understand, this is my first
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: experience with football. So what's my takeaway from this?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: George Boat, Yes exactly. He started.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: He started approximately nine more games before his career was over.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: So like Andy Dalton having stat line.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, like right now? Yeah, yeah, and it being somebody's
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: first time the Arizona Cardinals win. So what was my assumption?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: The Cardinals are good and Boomers size is the best
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: quarterback ever, even though he threw.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: Exactly Yes, the Cardinals are good and Boomer Assizon is
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: the best quarterback ever.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Wow, I could not have been more wrong about anything.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: No, this was the two free nights in Vegas in
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: exchange for going to a timeshare seminar. That's what this
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: was in my life. And I have been under the
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: umbrella of this expensive ass timeshare for the last thirty
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: years because of Boomer as siasin on some random November
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: Sunday and it And if you look back at his career,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: is his only five hundred yard passing game. He only
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: had like four where he went over four hundred. He
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: had no essentially no career after that. I think he
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: ended up like suing the organization, leaving the team early
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: that same year. And the Cardinals have been in the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: last thirty years like the worst franchise. Yeah, imaginable. So
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: that one really sticks out to me because it doesn't
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: match up with the entire experience I've had since then.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that makes a lot of sense, all right.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: My last one, number nine, nineteen eighty eight, the Super Bowl,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: the Washington then Redskins versus the Denver Broncos do you
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: know whose name I'm about to mention.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: Does the Super Bowl?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, man rushed for two hundred and four yards and
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: two touchdowns while being a rookie and only rushing for
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty six yards on the season prior
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: to that. Give me the name Timmy Smith. Timmy Smith.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: So one of the Washington running back got hurt, so
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: then Timmy Smith has to start. And this is the
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Doug Williams year.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: That's right, that's your boy.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Yep. And so wait, hold on, wait did Doug Williams winning?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on, I'll get him to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: edit this out.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Timmy Smith.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, let me see Super Bowl twenty two.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Step on his Wikipedia right now. This is absurd. Texas
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: Tech running back Mike Leach would be so disappointed.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, So, so here's the crazy part about this, Ralph, Actually,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: let me see the time. It was about twenty five minutes.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: So, Ralph, this is the same Super Bowl that Doug
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Williams got the Super Bowl MVP. So you're probably like, George,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: how could if he have gotten the Super Bowl MVP
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: and the first black quarterback to win a Super Bowl?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: If Timmy Smith backup ran for two hundred and four
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: yards on twenty two carries. Well, it's because Doug Williams
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: went eighteen for twenty nine for three hundred and forty
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: yards and four touchdowns and a pick. That's how So
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: he's some kind of way outshine this incredible performance. So
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: that makes it even more unheralded that it didn't even
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: get you the Super Bowl MVP. And mind you, he
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: still holds the record for most rest of the yards
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: Are you serious?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: So I didn't know about this, and I looked it
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: up as you were talking. This man's Wikipedia following the
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: greatest performance of all time is a little depressing. It's
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: a little bit depressing. Why he Okay, so he holds
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: out after that and says, I need a new contract.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: When he comes to camp, he's twenty five pounds heavier
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: than he was at the Super Bowl.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Had a hell of an off season, Yeah he did.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: He makes it through the He makes it through the season,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: and Washington's like for they gave him a shot. He
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: lost his starting job. He had four This reminds me
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: of Troy Hambrick that he had four hundred and seventy
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: yards in that whole year, and in the off season,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: the Miami Dolphins offer him a undred thousand dollars, but
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: he goes and visits the Phoenix Cardinals at the time
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: and fails his physical and then signs with the Chargers
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and then gets
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: photographed with a drug dealer and gets released before the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: season starts.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: They didn't even have social media, so that's a setup.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: I but I do this is this is the thing
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: that you'll love, getting photographed with a drug dealer and
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: getting released. And this is nineteen ninety At this point,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: one NFL team calls him. When you think of nineteen
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: ninety and drugs, what NFL team do you think gave
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: him a shot?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Detroit Lions?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: How about them Cowboys?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Oh that makes sense, this makes sense. This makes all
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: the sense in the world.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: That's insane. I didn't know any of this. That's so fun.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, part of it was fun. The rest of
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: it maybe not so much fun. Yeah, my last one.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: And I debated this and I feel horrible. So here's
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: what I didn't do. I was debating between one and
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: the other, and I decided against Tony Delk drops fifty
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: three in a game.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: People were like, yeah, he was a great college player,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: but he was not a great NBA player. He scored
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: fifty three in a loss to the Kings in the
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: final regular season game of like two thousand and one.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: He did it with only fifteen free throw attempts. And
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: you know how many threes he made in that game, George,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: in what year two thousand and one? Oh, probably five zero?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: This man scored fifty three.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: There get buckets.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: He scored fifty three on twenty of twenty seven two
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: point shooting. Love it nasty. I don't know if there's
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: any fifty point games since in this millennium with But
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: I didn't go with that one. I just wanted to
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: give an honorable mention. My last one is one that
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: tricked me almost as bad as Boomerasias and Tommy Fraser.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: Tommy Fraser's final college football game is the first college
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: football game I ever watched start to finish, okay, ever,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: and it was the national championship. In early January of
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, I had traveled just in Christmas with
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: my grandparents Florida.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Mm hm, oh mean stupid?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah, nothing. My first college football game, I'm
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: watching start to finish. This man had two hundred yards
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: rushing and two touchdowns and looked like a superhuman. So
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: in my head, Tommy Fraser must be like the goat.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: Right he did not have a hundred yard rushing game
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: before that? Really, yeah, I have in my head, I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: have always thought that he was out there putting up
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: fifty because you know, the most yards he ever threw
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: for was thirteen hundred in a season. Even that that
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: final year when he finished second in Heisman voting, Nebraska
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: didn't pass the ball. No, the most passes he threw
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: in a game that year was twenty three.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: They were a triple option team. That is so crazy.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: I would have thought he would have had one hundred
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: yards rushing prior to that, because you're running the triple
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: option and your quarterback ends up with a ton of yards.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: No, he on the season in twelve games had eight
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: hundred and three yards rushing and one ninety nine came
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: in the Fiesta Bowl. So, like my whole life, most
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: of my life, I grew up thinking like, oh, Tommy
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: Frasier was that dude all four years of college? And
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: truth is, he didn't really play his junior year because
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: he had the blood clots and stuff like that. Yeah,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: but he went out on like the absolute highest of highs.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: He wasn't actually doing that on a regular basis during
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: Nebraska's back to back title runs.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, hey, man, See, this is why history will
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: like our memories and the way we remember things.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Oh it'll trick you bad. Oh, it'll trick you bad.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: There's somebody who watched their first basketball game when they
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: saw Bam had thirty. There's some kid out there who's
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: like thirty in the first quarter and their dad turns
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: it on and they watched bam Adebayo get triple team
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Bam is the greatest. He might be
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: the goat. Yep, one hundred percent. That's how. Kids who
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: was it?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: One of the younger NBA players said that Paul George
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: was his goat, Like, what's how? But if you grew
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: up watching you know, when he was playing in Indiana
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: in your first experiences, or him like on a like
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: a week long run of scoring forty eight or something
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: like that, going going hot, then yeah, that can give
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: you that.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: I'm my first I'll tell you this George, the first
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: girl that I ever kissed. She done a lot of
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: prison time. That's a nice lady to me. She has
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: quite a rap sheet, but she can do no wrong.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: And if I had have been on that jury, she
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: was getting off, not kuilty.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: And with that we were end the show.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Thanks for watching, Like share, subscribe, get notifications, Tell a
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: friend about the show. Peace out, Catch you guys later.