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Joshua Lisec - BOOK - Haitians of Springfield: An Oral History · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: 7.06 here at 55K or CD Talk Station. Trying to
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  Speaker 1: make it a happy Friday. I am so excited about
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  Speaker 1: this next interview here. Joining the program, you probably know
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  Speaker 1: him given he's a New York Times bestseller of just
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  Speaker 1: any number of books that would appeal to my listening audience.
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  Speaker 1: Joshua Lysak. He's written books of consequences, best known for
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  Speaker 1: multiple literary collaborations. I know one of the books my
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  Speaker 1: listeners have read, the New York Times bestseller, Unhumans, The
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  Speaker 1: Secret History of the Communist Revolutions, and how to cash
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  Speaker 1: in on them. Also, Bulletproof, The Truth About the Assassination
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  Speaker 1: Attempts on Donald Trump. 115 nonfiction books on politics. He
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  Speaker 1: also writes as a ghostwriter. And Joshua Lysak, who's on
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  Speaker 1: the program to talk about his next book, which is
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  Speaker 1: an eye-opener, most notably for my friends here in the
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  Speaker 1: state of Ohio, Haitians of Springfield and Oral History. Welcome back,
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  Speaker 1: Ohio native. Welcome to the program, Ohio native Joshua Lysak.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pleasure having you on today, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Glad to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Real quick here before we get to the Haitians of Springfield,
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  Speaker 1: how does one become a certified ghostwriter? I'm sorry, that
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  Speaker 1: jumped out at me at your resume, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes. There is only one post-secondary ghostwriting certification program
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  Speaker 3: in the world. That's at California State University, Long Beach.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Anyway. Springfield, we all know about it here in
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  Speaker 1: the state of Ohio. Apparently Governor Mike DeWine's a real
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  Speaker 1: big fan of the Haitian community, and he is happy
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  Speaker 1: that they're here. I don't know why. I've never been
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  Speaker 1: able to figure out. But question, how did so many
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  Speaker 1: Haitians seemingly overnight end up in Springfield, Ohio, before we
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  Speaker 1: dive into the details of this, well, cover-up or narrative
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  Speaker 1: presented by the mainstream media? Joshua?
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good question.
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  Speaker 3: So in my case, what I did is I went
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  Speaker 3: through all the research locally, and I interviewed everyone that
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  Speaker 3: I possibly could. And what I found out was Springfield
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  Speaker 3: was chosen, not just Haitians themselves, but was chosen by
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  Speaker 3: the Biden administration for, effectively, population replacement. Across America, from
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  Speaker 3: 2021 to 2025, vulnerable white working-class Protestant Christian communities were
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  Speaker 3: chosen to play host to thousands of Somalis, Afghans, Uzbeks, Haitians,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera, to create, in effect, with the path eventually
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  Speaker 3: to amnesty, voting blocs that would be loyal to the
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  Speaker 3: Democratic Party to help shore up a supermajority for Democrats
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  Speaker 3: over the next 10 to 20 years to help ensure
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  Speaker 3: that every swing state and even every red state becomes
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  Speaker 3: a new California, effectively a new one-party state, with Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Being the being one of them.
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  Speaker 3: Now, prior to the election of Joe Biden, there had
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  Speaker 3: been a few dozen to a few hundred Haitians living
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  Speaker 3: in Clark County, Ohio. But upon the opening up of
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  Speaker 3: the border, the Mayorkas program was to import as many
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  Speaker 3: Third World peoples as possible and spread them across the
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  Speaker 3: United States. Lower estimates are that we have between 10
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  Speaker 3: and 11 million illegal.
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  Speaker 2: Immigrants brought in.
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  Speaker 3: And the temporary protected status program was used in order
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  Speaker 3: to make border jumpers who had committed a violation of
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  Speaker 3: illegally entering the United States to protect them from deportation.
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  Speaker 3: In the book, I call them Schrodinger's Haitians. People might
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  Speaker 3: be familiar with the Schrodinger's cat metaphor for thinking about
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  Speaker 3: the superposition of the cat concept in quantum mechanics, where
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  Speaker 3: there's this idea that if you don't know what the
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  Speaker 3: fate of the hypothetical cat is, it's neither alive nor dead,
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  Speaker 3: nor both.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fun thought experiment people might be familiar with.
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  Speaker 3: So in this case, the Haitians have been both legal
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  Speaker 3: immigrants and illegal immigrants. And if the Haitians in Springfield
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  Speaker 3: and elsewhere, should they rack up multiple misdemeanor charges, they
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  Speaker 3: lose temporary protective status.
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  Speaker 2: So it's conditional.
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  Speaker 3: And what I found interviewing more than 400 citizens in Springfield, Ohio,
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  Speaker 3: which is my neighbor, by the way, I live over
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  Speaker 3: in Dayton, just a short drive away. What I found
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  Speaker 3: is that police were letting off patients for drunk driving,
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  Speaker 3: driving without a license, causing wrecks, and so much worse,
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  Speaker 3: while of course continuing to police and ultimately prosecute heritage
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  Speaker 3: citizens for the same things. I also spoke with whistleblowers,
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  Speaker 3: including those in the police department, those at the county court,
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  Speaker 3: and they said that this is the problem that they
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  Speaker 3: were fully aware of, is that Haitians were basically being
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  Speaker 3: treated with gloves relative to the heritage citizens in order
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  Speaker 3: to protect their temporary protected status.
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  Speaker 1: That was a policy in place at the police department.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Biden can want something and he can
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  Speaker 1: facilitate the open borders and he can arrange perhaps and
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  Speaker 1: coordinate the Haitians ending up at any given location. But
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  Speaker 1: how can he force a local, presumably conservative police department
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  Speaker 1: to implement a policy that is contrary to the law
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  Speaker 1: and unequal enforcement of the law.
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  Speaker 3: Clark County is entirely Republican. This is what I think
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  Speaker 3: is important to grasp. And there is nothing Republicans fear
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  Speaker 3: more nationwide than being called racist.
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  Speaker 2: Is that it? That is it. That is 100% it. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So there is almost no humiliation here.
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  Speaker 3: A Republican will not prostrate themselves to if it means
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  Speaker 3: not being called racist.
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  Speaker 1: That's nonsensical. People need to grow a spine, Joshua. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I've been hearing this argument, and it flies in the
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  Speaker 1: face of common sense, logic, and reason. It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: the color of their skin. This is all about, you know. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt. You're the author of the book.
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  Speaker 1: I should be hearing what you're having to say. But
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  Speaker 1: it just bothers me and sickened me that there are
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  Speaker 1: so many people out there that lack the spine to
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  Speaker 1: call it what it actually is, which is what you're
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  Speaker 1: doing in this book.
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  Speaker 3: Even simply stating, hey, I witnessed this thing or this
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  Speaker 3: thing happened to me. For example, there's all manner of
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  Speaker 3: culture clashes. So for an example, in third world cultures,
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  Speaker 3: there's a level of social primitiveness and lack of manners
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  Speaker 3: that shocks the first world. For example, let's talk about relationships.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have a concept for what we would call
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  Speaker 3: domestic violence, physical abuse. consent, if you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: doesn't exist in the third world worldview. And you bring
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  Speaker 3: that into America and you have particularly white working class,
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  Speaker 3: Christian conservative women who are being targeted by, I will
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  Speaker 3: be blunt, predators from the third world. What becomes the defense?
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  Speaker 3: There's no hashtag me too anymore. There's no believe all women.
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  Speaker 3: It's You only say those Haitian men ganged up on you.
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  Speaker 3: You only say that Haitian chased you with a machete
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  Speaker 3: through the street. You only say the Haitians ate your
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  Speaker 3: cat because you're racist. That is the beginning and end
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  Speaker 3: of the rebuttal. And there are several NGOs, charitable foundations,
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  Speaker 3: and far left-wing so-called churches in the Springfield area that
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  Speaker 3: continue to advocate for and protect the Haitians, and that's
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  Speaker 3: what's happening right now. There's a vast network of influencers
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  Speaker 3: and even taxpayer-funded, grant-funded, charitable gift-funded churches and nonprofits who
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  Speaker 3: are protecting the Haitians currently. There are thousands of them
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  Speaker 3: still in Springfield, and they are fully... illegal status now
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  Speaker 3: that TPS has been expired thanks to the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 3: which was finally a good decision from them. But the
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  Speaker 3: population is being protected. So there's pastors, there's preachers, there's priests,
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  Speaker 3: there's both evangelical and Catholic churches and organizations and charities.
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  Speaker 3: And what they're doing is they're bringing food to the
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  Speaker 3: Haitians who are in hiding. They're driving them to and
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  Speaker 3: from their places of employment where they're illegally working. getting
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  Speaker 3: paid cash at the table, buying them more cars, etc.
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  Speaker 3: The amount of insanity that has occurred to benefit the
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  Speaker 3: Haitians at the expense of the citizenry is just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous. In the course of releasing this book
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  Speaker 3: and promoting Haitians of Springfield, the book, there have been
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  Speaker 3: more and more people who've come forward to share their story,
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  Speaker 3: what they observed. So I spoke with someone else who
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  Speaker 3: worked at Jobs and Family Services. She showed up to
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  Speaker 3: the book launch last week. By the way, a member
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  Speaker 3: of Antifa came to protest.
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  Speaker 2: It's quite something.
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  Speaker 3: And there were also some other troublemakers who came to
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  Speaker 3: film it and threaten and intimidate the establishment.
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  Speaker 2: It was something else.
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  Speaker 3: The amount of hate and vitriol there is for this
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  Speaker 3: book is almost unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: But when you.
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  Speaker 3: Understand that everyone who has talked about their negative experience
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  Speaker 3: with Haitian migrants in Springfield, Ohio, has been subject to
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  Speaker 3: death threats. They've had their business shut.
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  Speaker 2: Down via nationwide.
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  Speaker 3: Reviews and boycotts led by leftists in the area. Or
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  Speaker 3: they have lost friends or they've lost their job or
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  Speaker 3: they've been threatened, for example. The first confirmed story of
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  Speaker 3: Haitians consuming cats, and by the way, it wasn't just
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  Speaker 3: to eat them. It was for a Haitian blood ritual,
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  Speaker 3: which they practiced animal sacrifice in their primitive culture there
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  Speaker 3: on Hispaniola and elsewhere in the world. It was city
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  Speaker 3: employees who broke the story. They were threatened with losing
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  Speaker 3: their pensions, and they were made to sign non-disclosure and
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  Speaker 3: confidentiality agreements to kind of wipe the story away. And
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  Speaker 3: that story happened also not just with cats, but with
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  Speaker 3: ducks and geese. There were a number also of pigs
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  Speaker 3: that were taken and sacrificed. What many Christian Americans would
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  Speaker 3: refer to as utterly demonic rituals, which voodoo, of course, is,
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  Speaker 3: they believe in spirit possession and all manner of what
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  Speaker 3: we would consider in the first world absurdities. Like zombies,
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  Speaker 3: for example, which of course are like a fantasy horror
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  Speaker 3: concept in the West.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. They believe it's real, 100% real.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm quick to say there are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: weirdos out in the world. We're not in a theocracy.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose anyone's entitled to believe whatever the hell they want.
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  Speaker 1: We have Satanists out in the world, but this is
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  Speaker 1: a horse of a different color in the sense that
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about people who are here illegally, intentionally brought
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  Speaker 1: here for the purpose of this population replacement. The whole
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  Speaker 1: underlying point is what's nefarious. And honestly, Joshua, I think
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  Speaker 1: the diversion comes in and the left gets a benefit
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  Speaker 1: when we start criticizing the specific practices of their religion.
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  Speaker 1: What I think we should be focusing on, perhaps the
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  Speaker 1: disparate treatment under the law, letting people go who have
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  Speaker 1: committed a crime merely because they are part of This
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  Speaker 1: immigrant population, that in and of itself is racist. That is,
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  Speaker 1: I think, unlawful in and of itself, and that these
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  Speaker 1: policies exist and are being followed by people in conservative
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  Speaker 1: neighborhoods like Springfield. That, to me, is the big part
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  Speaker 1: of this story, don't you think, Joshua?
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  Speaker 3: I think the worst part is that there is a
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  Speaker 3: sense that you can't tell the truth about what's happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. or you're a liar.
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  Speaker 3: There are quite a few animal rights activists in Springfield
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  Speaker 3: who have been deeply troubled by the inconspicuous, let's say,
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  Speaker 3: slaughter and consumption of feral cats. Springfield's cat colonies got
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  Speaker 3: completely wiped out by the Haitians when they showed up.
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  Speaker 2: Then you have the regular abduction.
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  Speaker 3: spell it D-U-C-K, of ducks and geese from city parks,
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  Speaker 3: from city roads, which everyone has a story. Some people
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  Speaker 3: even have photo and video of those. You have deer,
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  Speaker 3: of course. And there's a sense of like, well, we
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  Speaker 3: have a hunting and fishing license system here in Ohio,
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  Speaker 3: but what is the penalty for poaching? Have any Haitians
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  Speaker 3: been arrested for poaching?
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  Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 3: So the The issue with animals very quickly becomes an
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  Speaker 3: issue with the law. In fact, the funny part is
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  Speaker 3: about the eating the cat story is that's one of
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  Speaker 3: the only positives I've consistently heard from heritage citizens, that
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  Speaker 3: there was such a feral cat colony problem where aggressive,
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  Speaker 3: you know, un-neutered cats kind of living fairly were causing
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  Speaker 3: a real problem for indoor-outdoor pets.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. that people were glad.
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  Speaker 3: That the Haitians came and took care of that for them.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, there are also animal rights activists who were
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  Speaker 3: very upset by this, but that was largely not a
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  Speaker 3: complaint from the Springfield people, yet that's the story that
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  Speaker 3: went viral in 2024.
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  Speaker 1: Thank God the Haitians showed up and got rid of
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  Speaker 1: our feral cat problem. Can we get them to start
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  Speaker 1: maybe sacrificing rats? Solve a problem in the New York
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  Speaker 1: City area and other cities that have been overrun with rats, Joshua.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry for the bit of interjection of levity here, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm just appalled by this. I know that one of
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  Speaker 1: the commentators on the Amazon page where your book is
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  Speaker 1: being sold, it's also on my blog page, 55KRC. com, so
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  Speaker 1: my listeners can gobble up this book, which they will.
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  Speaker 1: Poor Tammy Poe, she's born and raised in Springfield. One
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  Speaker 1: person came to Springfield and cared enough to find the truth.
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  Speaker 1: That person was Joshua Lysak, author of this book. I guess,
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  Speaker 1: how is it? First off, I'm just befuddled the idea
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  Speaker 1: that these these policies can be enshrined within law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: Did Mike DeWine insist on that happening? Was he complicit
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  Speaker 1: in all this? But also that the mainstream media seems
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  Speaker 1: to just ignore and have no interest in reporting on
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  Speaker 1: this population change. How is it that everybody can be
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  Speaker 1: so bought up or is this all them being members
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  Speaker 1: of the religion that is socialism or communism or whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is they're pushing for?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think something that is worth pointing out is
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  Speaker 3: that the media that covers it both locally, nationally, and
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  Speaker 3: globally is ideologically aligned with the left. And it was
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  Speaker 3: ultimately a left-wing administration that brought thousands of Haitians into Springfield.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, the numbers that have been shown
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  Speaker 3: to me by whistleblowers from the state of Ohio, specifically
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  Speaker 3: the treasurer and the auditor office, other treasurers and auditors off, respectively, flies.
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  Speaker 2: In the face of what the city said. The city
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  Speaker 2: of Springfield officially says that it was.
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  Speaker 3: Between 10,000 and 15,000 Haitians came into a city of
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  Speaker 3: about 59,000 residents, Springfield, Ohio, from 2021 to 2023, approximately.
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  Speaker 3: The numbers I was shown is that it's two to
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  Speaker 3: three times higher. It's between 32,200 and 35,000, significantly off.
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  Speaker 3: And that right there shows that there are two realities. Every,
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  Speaker 3: let's say, business owners, large employers, property owners, landlords, let's say,
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  Speaker 3: who are able to profit off of an influx of
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  Speaker 3: a population. What do they say? We love our Haitian neighbors.
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  Speaker 3: Why do they love their so-called Haitian neighbors? Because that
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  Speaker 3: means rents go up so that they can double, if
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  Speaker 3: not even triple, the rent that they're charging and still
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  Speaker 3: get it. And wages collapse. I heard story after story
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  Speaker 3: after story of Americans who are earning $ 30 an hour
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  Speaker 3: plus working a living wage being made to train their
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  Speaker 3: Haitian replacements who barely spoke English. but we're only earning $ 10, $ 11,
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  Speaker 3: $ 12 an hour.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, Joshua. I'm sorry, man. We are out
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  Speaker 1: of time, but I could talk to you for two hours,
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  Speaker 1: but we're all going to buy it. A couple of
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  Speaker 1: listeners already said, sold, book sold, 55KRC. iHeart. com. Get a copy
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  Speaker 1: of Joshua Lysak's book. It's just mind-boggling and really eye-opening. Joshua,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for taking the slings and arrows for the benefit
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  Speaker 1: of everybody here and the nation, and most notably the
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  Speaker 1: Springfield community.
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  Speaker 2: Sure thing. My pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: Patients of Springfield and Oral History. Get a copy of
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  Speaker 1: it and share it with your friends.