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Vikings beat the Packers, We Were There, We Eat Pickles | TSH Ep. 121 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of the School app.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Evan and I'm Austin.
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  Speaker 1: Where's a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking
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  Speaker 1: beer and talking about the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. And we got to go to our
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  Speaker 2: first Vikings game since we've started this podcast together. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and we saw the Vikings beat down on the Packers
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's pretty sweet. And it was even more special
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  Speaker 1: than that because potentially we witnessed history as a few
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  Speaker 1: career Vikings may have played their last game in purple.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Kind of bittersweet, little emotional. But we also got
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  Speaker 2: to bring up a few names of people from the
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  Speaker 2: team and around the league and whether or not they'd
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  Speaker 2: be a part of the Vikings next year.
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  Speaker 1: And we can't forget about two classic beers that we've
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  Speaker 1: had before on the podcast. We had them again and
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  Speaker 1: both of them hit the spot. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, So if you're ready for episode one twenty one
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  Speaker 2: We do. That's what we do here. We're a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to the game here in a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: We were actually in attendance. Game pretty awesome. We've been
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  Speaker 1: spinning the wheel quite a bit. There was a short
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  Speaker 1: little hiatus there kind of in that middle of that
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  Speaker 1: five game win streak towards.
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  Speaker 2: The end of the season, and I think we only
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  Speaker 2: spun it once since that hiatus. Yeah, but over the
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  Speaker 2: season we've spun the wheel of Purple Punishments quite a
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  Speaker 2: few times.
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  Speaker 1: We have, and the season is now over. We picked
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  Speaker 1: correctly that the Vikings would beat the Packers in Week eighteen. However,
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  Speaker 1: because we're true fans, we are true fans, and I
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  Speaker 1: hate the Packers. However, yes, I would like to propose something.
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  Speaker 2: What do you do?
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  Speaker 1: As long as you're opposed to this, I.
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  Speaker 2: Thought we were done.
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  Speaker 1: Do you do you remember.
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  Speaker 2: The twenty first night of September?
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember our postseason picks? I kind of pressured
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  Speaker 1: you into making postseason picks. Do you remember what both
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  Speaker 1: of us picked?
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  Speaker 2: So you might pull it up because I don't. I
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  Speaker 2: don't remember specifically, but I do remember now that in
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  Speaker 2: the preseason we both picked schedules that were arguably, you know,
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  Speaker 2: playoff schedules, very favorable, or schedules that would earn a
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  Speaker 2: playoff berth. So now I'm thinking, did we make selections
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  Speaker 2: for hypothetical playoff games for the Vikings this year?
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  Speaker 1: We did? In in typical you fashion. You tried to like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to make any predictions, but if I
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  Speaker 1: remember it, I pressured you into it because I had
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  Speaker 1: done it the first time we ever did a pick
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  Speaker 1: them now three seasons ago, and you did it with me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we predicted two Vikings wins.
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  Speaker 2: WHOA in the playoffs?
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  Speaker 1: Us did in the playoffs. We both predicted a wild
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  Speaker 1: card win and a divisional win. I think, if I
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  Speaker 1: remember right, we both thought that the Vikings wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: the one seed. You predicted a thirteen and four record.
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  Speaker 1: I predicted a twelve and five record. Obviously we were
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  Speaker 1: pretty far off of those numbers, but we thought that
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  Speaker 1: the Vikings would be playing on wide wild card weekend,
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  Speaker 1: probably a home game, with that type of record, and
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  Speaker 1: we thought they would win. And then we thought they
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  Speaker 1: were going to win in the divisional round, meaning they
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  Speaker 1: would make an NFC Championship Game appearance. So I think
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  Speaker 1: we should spin the wheel.
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  Speaker 2: It's only right because we were so overly optimistic.
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  Speaker 1: We were way too cocky.
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  Speaker 2: Back in. It was earned, it was well earned, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: it was we had. You said it one hundred times
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  Speaker 2: and I agreed with you. We had reason to be
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  Speaker 2: hopeful for this twenty twenty five Vikings. We didn't. They
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  Speaker 2: just let us down like we should have known. But anyways, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so you're saying, since we were cocky we thought the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs were kind of in the bag that we should
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  Speaker 2: be punished for. Are terrible. All right, fine, fine, let's
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  Speaker 2: stop true it. Let's go right, we have four options left.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, what are they get?
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  Speaker 1: Sting ponged?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I have a I've totally dropped the ball on this.
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  Speaker 2: Friend of the Show Brian gifted us a pretty nice
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  Speaker 2: ping pong set and basically with a note said something
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  Speaker 2: to the tune of, I think you'll find something to
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  Speaker 2: put this ticket use and I think we got it
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  Speaker 2: over a week ago. I Friend of the Show Brian,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for that. By the way. Also, I apologize
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  Speaker 2: that I didn't bring it and I'm not prepared. So
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  Speaker 2: at least we have it forever now and it's in
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  Speaker 2: the future we can add it too. Wheels here in
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  Speaker 2: the future.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I still think we could like get a book
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  Speaker 1: or something, and just like you know, so there's that
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  Speaker 1: the fake beard and the like the helga hat. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: we got that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is still here.
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  Speaker 1: Both down here, we have two full jars of pickles
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  Speaker 1: that we bought for last year and we never landed
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  Speaker 1: on it. So we could both be eating a full
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  Speaker 1: jar of pickles, all right, or we could drink out
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  Speaker 1: of a sippy cup. Those are the options, all right,
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  Speaker 1: you ready?
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, well, yep, let's just let's go. We'll figure
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  Speaker 2: out logistics once we know we are going to.
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  Speaker 1: He did an entire jar pickles. All right, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to grab him because they're on your side. There,
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  Speaker 1: my friend, let's check the expiration date here. Make sure
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  Speaker 1: I think we're still good best buy.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, this is the time to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And so let's remind everybody. These are seventeen fluid ounces,
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  Speaker 2: one pinte one pint, and one fluid ounce for the
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  Speaker 2: whole jar.
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  Speaker 1: Careful of these are hard to open.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. They are kosher dill pickles, and the intent is
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  Speaker 2: to consume the entire jar juice and juice and all.
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  Speaker 2: All right, We've had some beers throughout the season that
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  Speaker 2: a pickle would have paired very nicely, like a pilsner
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  Speaker 2: or something, just to drop it in. We're trying out
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  Speaker 2: two different kinds of beers tonight, beers that have been
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  Speaker 2: featured separately throughout the life of the school. Hot but
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  Speaker 2: we're doing it again. I don't think either of these
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  Speaker 2: would be great with a pickle inside of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, but that might be part
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  Speaker 1: of the punishment is having pickles with beer that won't
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  Speaker 1: go very good with it. I told you that's hard.
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  Speaker 1: Jar to opened some mouth.
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  Speaker 2: I just I don't want to like spill.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get you. No, I was in the same spot.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're close. You got it?
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  Speaker 2: Why'd you say it like that?
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  Speaker 1: Of say it like what?
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  Speaker 2: All right? You know what, I'm just gonna take a
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  Speaker 2: sip just right off the bat.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you're just gonna take a shot of pickle.
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  Speaker 2: Juice, just to chugol skull.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what's even worse is pickles are green. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: you had a lot of juice there.
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  Speaker 2: Pickles are green. But the vikings beat the packers, so
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't sting as bad as it would have. All right, well,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna dink it and sink it.
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  Speaker 1: Pickle number one Vans.
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  Speaker 2: There we go, all right, Pickle number one school illick.
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  Speaker 2: I like a good pickle for them at the end
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  Speaker 2: of their life. They're still really good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean it's in vinegar, like it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: preserve pretty well. Comment though, if you're listening, do you
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  Speaker 1: like pickles or not? And sweet pickles or dill pickles?
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  Speaker 1: We are eating dill pickles.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a dill pickle guy, all.
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  Speaker 1: Though sweet pickles are from the devil. I will just
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  Speaker 1: get that out of there right now. I hate sweet pickles,
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  Speaker 1: and I hate even more grabbing something you think is
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  Speaker 1: a dill pickle and it's not and then eat it
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  Speaker 1: and the expectation and your brain.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever accidentally done that, all right?
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  Speaker 1: Not cool?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, as far as punishments go, that's not
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  Speaker 2: a terrible one. It's more one that like it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: in our stomachs. How it is beer and pickles slash
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  Speaker 2: pickle juice gonna mix. But we'll figure that out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to some beer, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, we've got two different beers. We have
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  Speaker 2: show favorite kind of two show favorites here. The Big
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  Speaker 2: Grove arms Race is what I'm gonna be starting off with.
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  Speaker 2: This arms Race is kind of the beer that inspired
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  Speaker 2: the flavors that we use to create our first skull
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  Speaker 2: Hop beer. Yeah, so this is this is an old
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: classic for us at the skull Hop and I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: forward to it. Oh is it frozen? Oh no, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, it's a slushy beer. At least it didn't explode.
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  Speaker 2: We've been having issues with the skool Hops little beer
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  Speaker 2: fridge here and trying to tweak the right temperature for
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  Speaker 2: that fridge, and it has frozen some beers. Mine was
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  Speaker 2: not frozen, so that's goodness. But yeah, I'm excited. Evan.
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  Speaker 2: What's the beer that you're.
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  Speaker 1: Trying right I'm trying the Toppling Goliath Pseudo su. This
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  Speaker 1: is possibly Iowa's most famous beer.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, potentially so famous that I think I said
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  Speaker 2: this on the show. A few weeks ago. I went
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  Speaker 2: to Universal Studios on you know, a little mini adult
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  Speaker 2: vacation here in the beginning of November, and I was
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  Speaker 2: wearing the hat that I'm wearing right this minute, the
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  Speaker 2: Toppling Goliath hat, and somebody at Diagon Alley or Hogsmead
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  Speaker 2: in Universal Studios when I was trying to get a
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  Speaker 2: butter beer, I was like, oh, I'd love Toppling Goliath.
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  Speaker 2: I really like their pseudo sue. And I was thrown
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  Speaker 2: for a loop, like what are you from Iowa? No, No,
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  Speaker 2: I just they sell it here. So they sell that
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  Speaker 2: pseudo Sue at Universal Studios. There you go, so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: pretty pretty popular. Let's just dive right into these school's.
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  Speaker 1: Go that's a cold beer, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. The arms race really good. It's a it's an
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  Speaker 2: it's a pale ale with some really good ambery kind
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  Speaker 2: of flavors along with it. Uh six something? What percentage
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  Speaker 2: is this? Yeah, I can't find it right off the
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  Speaker 2: top of my head. Here a six six or six
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  Speaker 2: percent flat? Uh so, yeah, solid beer. We've talked about
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  Speaker 2: it a few times. I'm really glad to be drinking it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Pseudosu is also a pale ale, but this
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  Speaker 1: has got none of the amber characteristics that the arms
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  Speaker 1: race has. In fact, I'm excited to flip flop later
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  Speaker 1: when I finished this and you finish that, I might
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  Speaker 1: have one of those and you can have one of these.
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  Speaker 1: This is five point eight percent. It's like a hazy
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  Speaker 1: ipa and it's citrusy and delicious.
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  Speaker 2: That's good, nice, All right, Now that we got all
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  Speaker 2: that out of the way, and as we continue to
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  Speaker 2: chomp on our pickles here, I think you started your
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  Speaker 2: second pickle and I just finished my first. So let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about this game. I have the Vikings. They beat
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  Speaker 2: the Packers in a game that was completely meaningless for
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  Speaker 2: the Packers and mostly meaningless for the Vikings. But there
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  Speaker 2: were some things that the Vikings were playing for. Justin
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  Speaker 2: Jefferson was chasing a thousand yards. We still wanted another
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  Speaker 2: game to see how JJ McCarthy would play at quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: a couple other things we wanted to see, so overall,
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  Speaker 2: really fun. It's always fun to watch the Vikings beat
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  Speaker 2: the Packers. I don't care how meaningful or meaningless that
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  Speaker 2: game is. We also had some company. We were with
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  Speaker 2: some new friends of the show, Tim, a Packer fan,
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  Speaker 2: and Blue, who is a Vikings fan and has season tickets.
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  Speaker 2: We actually purchased our seats from I think his dad,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, there was the four of us. We kind
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  Speaker 2: of made it a bro trip a little bit. It
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of fun, capped off with a Vikings
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  Speaker 2: win so hard to beat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Tim and Blue, thanks for letting
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  Speaker 1: us tag along with you guys. And yeah, we had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And that's my rose. I think
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  Speaker 1: we can head right into roses and thorns, all right.
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  Speaker 1: My rose was that we got to be there. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen the Vikings play the Packers before, and I can't
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  Speaker 1: remember if I misspoke on this show or not, but
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  Speaker 1: I was telling some family that I was going to
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  Speaker 1: this game, and I said out loud that I don't
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  Speaker 1: think i'd ever seen the Vikings play the Packers before,
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  Speaker 1: and my wife was very quick to correct me. She's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: you watched him play with me when we went to
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  Speaker 1: TCF Bank Stadium back in like twenty fourteen, and I
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, Teddy Bridge Roger was playing back then.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that.
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  Speaker 2: So did the Vikings get the win back?
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  Speaker 1: Now? No, they lost. The Vikings mounted a pretty decent
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  Speaker 1: comeback attempt at the end of the game, but they
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  Speaker 1: fell short. And I kept saying after that game, like,
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  Speaker 1: if the game would have been two minutes longer, the
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  Speaker 1: Vikings probably would have won, but it ended Packers won.
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  Speaker 1: It is what it is. But this was the first
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  Speaker 1: time that I got to see the Vikings beat the
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  Speaker 1: Packers in person, so that was cool.
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  Speaker 2: I have been at an NFL game that featured the
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Packers before as well. It was actually a preseason game
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: in Kansas City. I think it was the first year
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: that Pat Mahomes was entering the season as their QB
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  Speaker 2: one so Bright, before their Kansas City dynasty really started.
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  Speaker 2: I do not remember the outcome of that game at all,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: but I do remember it was the Packers in the
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs. Yesterday was the first Vikings Packers game
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  Speaker 2: i'd ever seen, and again, I'm really glad the Vikings
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  Speaker 2: pulled out the victory. It was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: My Rose I kind of said it a little bit earlier.
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  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson I knew he would. I won, wasn't really
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  Speaker 2: sweating it too much. But Justin Jefferson got his thousand
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  Speaker 2: yards pretty quick too. Yep. I think he caught the
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  Speaker 2: first you know, first few balls of the game. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: and JJ was looking good slinging it to him. It
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  Speaker 2: was a really good start to the game. I think
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings first drive they kind of marched down and
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  Speaker 2: then stalled out and had to kick a field goal.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, Justin Jefferson pretty early on got his thousand yards,
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  Speaker 2: got that out of the way. Everybody seemed to be
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  Speaker 2: following it, you know at the stadium, and once he
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  Speaker 2: caught the pass to get a thousand yards, it was
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  Speaker 2: a cheer as if it were a touchdown. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as far as roses go in a meaningless game,
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  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson is he Now, what's the stat is he
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  Speaker 2: one of three players in the NFL history Moss and
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Mike Evans. Evans, but when he started a thousand yards
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  Speaker 2: in their first six seasons so far, I think, so,
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's just the three of them that
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  Speaker 2: have reached that. Now. I know it's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: different because Mos definitely did that when his whole career
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  Speaker 2: were sixteen game seasons, and now, of course they play
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  Speaker 2: seventeen games seasons. But I'm pretty sure Jefferson's rookie year
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  Speaker 2: was the final year in the NFL they played sixteen
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  Speaker 2: game seasons and it's been seventeen ever since. And admittedly,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is the closest season he's been to
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  Speaker 2: not hitting one thousand yards. He had that was at
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three when he missed seven games. Yak Is
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  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two he got Offensive Player of the
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  Speaker 2: Year with like eighteen hundred yards receiving, So a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a letdown in twenty three, but he still
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: got a thousand. But yeah, this season, for all its
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: bumps and bruises and ups and downs, it is nice
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: that we don't have that forever memory of being tainted
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: this year that justin finally didn't get a thousand yards.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: So that's that's my biggest ROAs for the game.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: And I think too, like to maybe just piggyback off
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: that for a second, Like, how awesome is it that
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: we have the league's best receiver who absolutely had a
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: frustrating year and didn't do anything really to tarnish his
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: reputation like he could have. He could have gone way
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: off the deep end and done like an Antonio Brown,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: like locked off with his shirt off and middle of
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the game and you know, done that whole circus. He didn't.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: He could have played the you know, the media game
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, gone off in all these different press
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: conferences about how frustrated he is. He could have even
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: quietly just gone to Koc and Quacy and demanded a
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: trade and just be like, hey, things aren't working out,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: get me out of here. M hm.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: And technically we don't know that that didn't happen, but
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: there's no reason for us to think that anything like
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: that did happen.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he said all the right things. He was
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: the consummate professional, a consummate teammate. And I don't know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you you almost give the guy a lifetime contract after that,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and then you also you don't let him run the show.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: But when you're looking at quarterbacks this offseason, you involve
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: him in that discussion, like those meetings between JJ and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say JJ because we have a JJ. The
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: conversations between Justin Jefferson and KOC will probably revolve heavily
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: around who are we gonna bring in to help us
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: out with this and also what are we gonna do
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: to continue to develop JJ McCarthy to be the quarterback
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: we need him to be.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I agree with what you're
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: saying here. It's not like you're gonna say, as Kevin O'Connell.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: He's not gonna sit down in his exit interview with
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson and be like, all right, Justin, who do
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: you think our quarterback has to be? And they're not
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: gonna just make the decision based off of that, but
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I guarantee, professional professional, they're gonna go through the whole
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: list of like, all right, what were the best parts,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: what were the worst parts? Here's you know, as KOC,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: here you go, Justin, these are the things I think
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: you can work on. Be candid with me. What can
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I work on as a coach? You know, how can
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: we make this team better? Because he's Justin Jefferson's the
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: face of the franchise. Shoot, the NFL is making him
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: one of the faces of the shield, and that's good.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: But the Vikings would be dumb not to at least
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: have that conversation with with Justin Jefferson, And for all
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the right reasons. I think it's a good thing to do.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Like you just said, he's not complaining, he's just being
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: a good teammate and a good player, and everything about
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: him is positive. So the cherry on top was getting
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: that the stat that's maybe you roll your eyes at it,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: like who really cares, because it's not, like you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: it turned into a playoff season just because he got
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: a thousand yards, But I think it means a lot
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: to him, it means a lot to the team, means
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: a lot to the fans too. I would have been
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: way more bummed even if the Vikings had pulled out
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: a victory if they did it without Justin getting a
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: thousand yards.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Let's talk with thorns for a minute.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Do we have five days to talk about thorns this season?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Well? I think appropriately so. My thorn is JJ McCarthy,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and I think par for the course, like it's been
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: all season, he played really well, starting to you, he
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: was slinging the ball he got justin Jefferson to his
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: thousand yards and then he pulled himself out of the game.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah right in Like number one, that's just kind of surprising.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And number two, it just, like I said, it's par
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: for the course. It's been this way all season long.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Just when things start to escalate and things look like
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: they're going well and like we're like, okay, yeah, we
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: can finally get behind this kid, he just takes a
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: dump on everything, you know, Like for sorry for that expression,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: it wasn't very good, but you get the point, right,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Like it's just come on, like where are we going here?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Like we can't go through more seasons like this with
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: him under said where it's like is he gonna play
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: or not? Is he concussed or not? Is his hand
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: functional or not?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Like did he come in with ankle soreness today? I
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: don't know?
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Like and does he have an alter ego today? Like
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: come on, like we need some consistency, We need him
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to just grow the heck up and get some stuff
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: figured out here. And either either he's the answer or
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: he's not, and the Vikings will need to move on
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: from him pretty quickly. If he's not.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have the same exact thorn, mostly specifically him
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: pulling himself out of the game. I was listening to
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: so today's Monday, January fifth, I was listening to the
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Power Trip Morning show today and Ben leeber is on
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I think every Monday, and they asked him about it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: They asked Ben about his thoughts on JJ, and he
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: kind of alluded to, like the idea that as a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: as a player, as a quarterback, especially like pulling yourself
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: out of the game. And I get it. Sure, maybe
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: his hand hurt like crazy, maybe it was agonizing pain.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not just or I'm not JJ.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely not a football player. But it's such a
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: bad look when QB one who when he pulled himself
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: out here was a stat line fourteen of twenty three
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: for one hundred and eighty two yards. He was close
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: on one or two chances to get a passing touchdown,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: and you'd like to think, you know, if he would
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: have been able to gut out the rest of the game,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: he probably would have got another passing touchdown. And a
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: season where it just felt like you've got so much
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: to prove JJ. The final game, the final opportunity, you're
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: gonna pull yourself out, I feel like and Ben kind
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: of said it too, Ben Lieber did, most competitors, no
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: matter how bad they're hurting, they are gonna make the
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: medical team pulled him out of the game. They're not
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: gonna be the ones to say, yeah, I'm done, especially
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: when you're not sitting there in so much pain that
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: you can't even see straight.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: He saw that Carson Wentz. Yeah, like Carson Wentz was
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like we fed him to the dogs.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Basically, it's been joked that, like the Vikings sacrificed Carson
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Wentz on the field, who just went out there and
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: took it. You can tell like he was in agonizing pain,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and JJ if he was in that kind of pain,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: didn't really show it. He's trying to tap up teammates
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: on the sideline after he pulled himself.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Out of his hand behind his back, put.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Some weird towel over his hand. It's just such a
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: bad look. I think it's almost as bad as a
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: look as ANTHONYA. Richardson a couple of years ago, running
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: around like crazy one play and then you know, taking
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: himself out for a play like your quarterback won, like
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: you have so much to prove. You're supposed to be
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: this big nine kind of guy, the guy that on
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the first drive he got a taunting penalty because he
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: ran for a few yards and then was right in
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the other guy or the packer face, like you do
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: that because you want to be the teammate that everybody
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: rallies around. Well, nobody's rallying around a guy that pulls
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: himself out. And again, I know I'm sounding so critical
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: when I have no reason to say that I'm better
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: than JJ or anything like that. I'm not saying that,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: but I mean, if your hand hurts your quarterback, you're
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: in the NFL ask for a shot to numb the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: pain rather than you pull yourself out.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Did he have I saw something that said he refused
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: a shot earlier before the game.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. We only have the information
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: that we do from watching. You know, we don't know
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: anything else, you know, in internal details wise, But it's
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: just such a bad look to pull yourself out of
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the game like that. And credit to Max Brosmer. When
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: he came in, he was seven for eight fifty seven yards.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: That's more yards than he had in that start against
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the Lions. On Christmas. I mean, it's just not a
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: good feeling as a fan to see that. I feel
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: like as a teammate, who maybe the teammates have more
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: information and they're not as upset about it, But that's
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: the cherry on top of why you don't go into
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: next season with JJ McCarthy as your unquestioned QB one.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: They absolutely have to bring in at least competition, if
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: not a full replacement for him.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I can't find what I was reading
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: about the shot that he refused, but I'm pretty sure
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I saw something today from a credible source that I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: would believe that he refused that and wouldn't take it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah, let's not focus on the negatives this game.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: This game was actually really special for a few reasons,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and I think our game balls are a perfect encapsulation
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: of how special this game was. And I didn't even
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: really realize when we first made the plan, because I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: made the plan like a week ago on the podcast
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: We're going to this game. I don't even realized like
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: this could be a thing. And then like when we
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: got closer and closer to the game, I'm like, huh, okay,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: And then when we were there and certain players were
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: highlighted in you know, the intros. And at the end
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: of the game, of course, we're talking about my game ball,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: which is going to c J. Ham because and I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: think he pretty much alluded to it in his postgame
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: press conference. He didn't outright say I'm retiring, but he
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: made it pretty clear that this was his last game.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: So I mean, he said it's time for me to
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: spend more time with my family. Like if those are
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the closest words you can get to other than I'm retiring.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so my game ball goes to c J. Ham.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: It was pretty cool to see they interviewed him post game.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: We were walking out, so I watched that later. But
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: pretty cool that they gave that guy the spotlight. And
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I also would like to point out, and I don't
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: want to spoil your game ball, but I think everybody
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: knows where this is going if you're a Vikings fan.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: But CJ. Ham and another unnamed player that you'll name
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: here shortly, Harrison Smith, they were I think nominated by
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: KOC to like go out and do the coin toss
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the game, and Harrison Smith opted
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: out of that to allow CJ. Ham to do it
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and kind of get the spotlight to himself a little bit,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And I was like, what a classy move like that.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Just that tells you all you need to know about
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Harrison Smith right there, but also cool that CJ got
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to do that. Both of these guys played their entire
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: careers for the Vikings. They've only ever worn the purple
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and gold. You would hope Harrison Smith is a Hall
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: of Famer.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: He's a first ballot Hall of Famer to me, and
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: people who don't really know ball will try to we'll
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: try to argue that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: No, to me, Harrison Smith first ballot Hall of Famer
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and c J.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Ham doesn't really have the same pedigree, mostly because he
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: plays a position that is quickly fading in the NFL,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: full back. But I don't know. I'm giving my game
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: ball to CJ. Ham. He had one carry for one
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: yard and it was a touchdown. And he also had
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: a really sick one handed catch.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah that catch was really really nice for like six
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: yards too.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like awesome way for him to go out. Very special.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well earned game ball more of a career ball there,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and especially in a game where like you said, he
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: did score touchdown, like he scored the only touchdown of
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, it was designed for him, and it
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: was after a few failed attempts, you know, within the
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: five yard line, I think. But they called his number
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and he ranted in My game Ball, like we said,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Harrison Smith, he didn't come out and outright say I'm retiring.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: He actually said I can't make a decision right now.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: So he also did kind of joke and say like, well,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: after that ovation, I kind of don't have a choice.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: But I feel like it's probably fair to say one
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: hundred percent c J. Ham he's done, and it's probably
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: at least seventy percent, if not way higher, that Harrison
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Smith is done. Either way, he gets my game Ball,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: just again off of equity for his whole career. I
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: don't know his full stat line trying to look up.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if he had any tackles or
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: or anything like that, but he's He's had a good
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: finish to his season. I wish whatever happened physically to
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: him at the beginning of the year didn't happen, because
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like he would have, you know, been this
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: would have been another really good season for him. But yeah,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: just a heck of a teammate, a guy that nobody
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: wants to see be done. It was really cool. I
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: had gotten up at one point towards the end of
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: the game to like go to the bathroom or something,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: and then they called a time out on the field.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And I've heard people say a few times now that
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: when they called the time out on the field, like
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Alan Roach, the PA guy on the field, he said
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: something like time out on the field to you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: replace a player and say goodbye to Harrison Smith. And
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: again when everybody cheered earlier in the game for Justin
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Jefferson when he got a thousand yards quadruple, that cheer
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: it was a true standing ovation. I'm sure many tears
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: in the stands it was. It was a true bow
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: to everybody. He probably choked up, I guess. I don't
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: remember exactly, but I was halfway up the little stairs
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to go to the bathroom and I immediately turned back around,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and you know, we were all cheering and sculling, and
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: it was a really cool moment to be able to say, like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: as a fan, pace say goodbye to Harrison Smith. It
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: sounds like both Harrison Smith and C. J. Ham were
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: supposed to be on that final kneel down because the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Packers they did call a time out with a second
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: left to kick their field goal to get rid of
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: the shutout, but also to cover the point spread was
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: thirteen and a half points and the Packers kick a
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: field goal to lose by just thirteen points.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: So there's some.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Talkers there if we really wanted to go about it.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: But then the Vikings they you know, they got a
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: field goal or I would kickoff return and just had
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: one kneel down at the end of the game. And
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: apparently Harrison Smith and c. J. Ham were both supposed
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: to be out there for the kneel down, and I
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: guess Harrison Smith had like talked to his teammates and
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: was gonna be like, all right, guys, I'm gonna take
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: the quarterback snap. And he even took a physical like
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: he and Michael Jurgens on the sideline. He took one
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: practice and yeah, they took a practice snap and they
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: were all prepared, and then KOs he was like, all right,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: never mind, you guys, you're gonna stand on the sidelines.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: But that would have been cool to see because you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: he would have taken the snap and probably nilt it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But you never know. You might have tried to run
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: around a little bit. I don't know, but we'll never
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: know because they didn't get the chance to do that.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: But yeah, my game ball Harrison Smith, and we can
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: even just say it's a school hot double game ball
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: for those two guys, for.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Both of them. Well, and to just kind of wrap
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: all of that up to, like how cool of the ownership,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the entire organization, the PA announcer who's not even from Minneapolis,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: like everybody was just really classy with all of that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: And if it's Harrison Smith's last game, that was the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: way to go out for sure. But I think all
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: of us too would love to see that guy come back.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Even if he produces about what he produced this year,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: which wasn't a ton compared to previous seasons. I'd take
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: him back, even if he was on a snap count,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: even if he you know, is a fraction of what
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: he used to be. Bring him back, like he just
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: he embodies everything that you want a Viking, a Viking
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: player to be. So if it's the end, though, you know,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: good for that guy. Well.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Ben Leeber on the radio today was kind of alluding
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: to another option where I mean, we could get to
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: a point where, you know, Harrison Smith doesn't start the
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: season with a team, but if it looks like, you know,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: they might be going to the playoffs, maybe something phone
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: call coming in, like Harrison Smith could come in and
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: help the the defense for the last half of the
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: season to push for the playoffs and maybe make a
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: run at the end of the year. That might be
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: the easier route to see Harrison Smith play football again.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's a pipe dream, maybe that's you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: not realistic, but either way, that would be a way
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: for us to see Harry play football again. So yeah,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I'd be okay with that. But Ben Leeber did kind
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: of say like one thing that would need to happen
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: for that to be a possibility is you probably need
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Brian Flores to be the defensive coordinators still, which a
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: handful of coaches got fired today. We could probably list
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: them all off. Who who's been fired? Raheem Morris for
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the Falcons, Carrol the Raiders, Gannon for the Cardinals. The
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Titans coach has already been fired way early in the season.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: The who else was the Giants coach was fired? Stable
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: five jobs right there, Stefanski, he was there's six and
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I think that's that might be it so far officially,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: so six head coaching jobs all available, maybe more. We
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: might have missed one or two, but you would think
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Brian Flores should get at least an opportunity to interview
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: for some or most of those opportunities. Okay, but yeah,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I mean there's a real chance Brian Flores, like we
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: said last week, I don't think he's leaving for a
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: lateral move. I don't think he's leaving to be the
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: defensive coordinator anywhere else. But I mean head coaching positions
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: are out there to be had, and he's he should
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: be considered a good candidate. That lawsuit aside, you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: that might be the only reason he doesn't get, you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a good shakeout somewhere else. But yeah, if we want
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: to see Harrison Smith back, we probably need to see
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Brian Floraes back. Probably agree, I guess Evan, we can
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: kind of transition here a little bit. I kind of
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: want to throw some names at you, and in your opinion,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I want you to give like zero to one hundred
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: on if they will be back with the team next year.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: One hundred being yeah, they're they're absolutely one hundred percent
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: back with the team. Zero Obviously they're zero percent back
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: with the team and they'll be elsewhere. But yeah, we'll
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: just start off with Brian Flores.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: That's a tough one because I do feel like there
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: are now pretty sizable number of head coach openings right
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: like six isn't it's not small, it's also not huge,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: but it's that's there are some options, I guess is
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: what I'm getting at here. Brian Flores has options. It's
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: not like, well, the only job open is the Browns,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: so it's like, well, you either go there or you're
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: stuck here. You know, like he could really take his pick,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Like where do I feel like I'd get the most
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: support from ownership in the GM? Where's the fan base
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: really strong? Where do I get draft picks? What roster
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: can I really work with? What defense is you know,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: really playing well right now that I can really build up?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say seventy percent. Do you want another glass?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: By the way, yeah, sure, seventy is not bad. I
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: feel like that's probably fair. The way things sit at
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: this moment, we don't really have even really a good
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: grasp of like like who's getting interviews? You know, like
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: it's not like many teams have announced. Some of them have,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: but not many teams have announced, like who they're planning
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: on interviewing. It's still really early in that process here.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: It's Black Monday right now. So yeah, seventy percent is
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: probably fair with all the information we have. I'd say
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: about that that much too. Here's one for you, Quasia dopoments.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have differing opinions on this.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm asking you what you think zero to one hundred.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a hundred. Oh okay, I'm saying I
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: think there's one hundred percent certainty that he will be back,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that he will be the GM for a pretty good
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: chunk of time. Still, I mean, unless next season is
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: completely catastrophic, catastrophic you had to do it, Unless it
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: is that Quasi hasn't lost time, I don't think now
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: next year, if it's really really bad, I could see
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: them yanking the plug and yeah, it's gonna be kind
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of a slushy suitos Ei there.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So we just opened our second beers here. Evan's
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: going with the arms race that I just had, and
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I'm with the pseudo suit here, and mine was a
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: little slushy. Not it's not as slushy.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: It's almost like the perfect temperature because you know it's
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: super cold. Yep, that's the way I like my beer. Anyways,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I just feel like there wasn't enough egregious things to
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: get rid of Quacy right now. And I think ownership, too,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: is a little bit more on the conservative side. They're
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: not going to be the ones that are like, well,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you didn't win, so by now, he's he's been in
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. This team has been in the playoffs two
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of his four years. So I think you you give
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: him a little bit of a longer leash, you maybe
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: help him find ways to either evaluate talent better or
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: put people on his staff that can help him evaluate
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: talent better. And you see what you see what happens.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if I'm answering this question about Quacy, whether or
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: not he's fully going to be back or not, I
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: think realistically he will be. You've taken some pickah, there's one.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I think what I want is to move on. We've
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: already it's already a lost cause. Like I get the
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: idea of you know, not cutting you know, cutting bait
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: too early and trying to move on too early. That's
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: that's not a good idea either, But in my mind,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: it's not fixable. They have proved Caysey has proved he's
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: not able to to get the quarterback, which is the
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: most important position in sports. You need to be able
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: to get that. If you can't get that, We've said
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: it many a time. Drafting a quarterback tenth overall can
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: either save your career or ruin your career, and so
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: far it's ruining his career. I think realistically they're not
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: going to fire him right now. I think Caraycy gets
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: at least one more season, especially since the extensions that
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Quacy and Koc signed before the twenty five season are
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: about to start, like they haven't even kicked in yet.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: So I think, realistically, Causey's going to be back in
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, maybe they whether they announce the changes
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: or not, kind of move some things around, like you said,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: you know, make sure he has all the right resources,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: the right people. Maybe Ryan Grigson, who is like an
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: assistant GM. Maybe he's the one that is the fall guy.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know, So yes, I would fire Quacy, but
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I also know realistically they're not going to and they're
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: gonna let him and KOs really take twenty twenty six
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: to say, all right, a big issue was the quarterbacks. Yeah,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: there's some of the excuse of there have been a
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: handful of injuries this year to I mean, Blake Cashman,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: the brain of the defense, missed what four or five games.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: That's no small thing. But I mean you're starting center,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: it might have to retire. That's not a small thing.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: But the real thing is like if JJ McCarthy was
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: a Drake May level quarterback, they would have won more
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: games this year. So I think Qua and KOs are
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: gonna get twenty twenty six fully to show that they
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: can fix the quarterback problem. Uh and that this season
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: was a fluke. Yeah, I'd say it's probably a hundred
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: that Quasi is back as well.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised we don't differ on that.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: We differ on what we want to happen. Sure, I'm
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: not saying I want Quasy back, but I think realistically
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: he will be that's fair.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: What about Koc, I'm gonna throw it back at you now.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: And I know we spent I don't know how much
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: time going back and forth on this, what like six
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: episodes ago now, like in the in the throes of
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: like the worst stretch of the season when all seemed lost.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: No, I'm a I'm a KOC fan. I think I
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: said last week my thorn was that we could finally
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: put to rest that chaos. Is a quarterback whisperer, He's not,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: at least not with everybody. I think you have to
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: have the right kind of guy to be whispered to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: by Koc the head coach. But I'm still a KOs fan.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: You don't just automatically not be a Coach of the
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Year candidate months after you win the award, which I've
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: also said, I don't really put too much stock into
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: those offseason awards anyways. But the fact of the matter
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: is he did win Coach of the Year, so did
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Brian Dable a few years ago. And we see he's
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: sitting on the couch. He might be on a podcast
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: just like us right now. I don't know, but yeah,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: for me, KOs, one hundred percent he'll be back. And
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's fully the issue. Part of it.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: You're not the head coach with no fault of a
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: nine to eight team. He's definitely part of the issue,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: but he's not fully the issue. What about you?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's one hundred percent coming back. I mean,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the lease is pretty long still, and he's got to
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: do way more to get himself fired. Hang on, hang on,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: hang on.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Well, we're not eating the stems on these whoa whoa
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: the thing said the whole then I'll fail that. I'm
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: not doing the weird nipple stems you did.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I ate every single as I made a vu with
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: the tips of these pickles, with the weird STEMI things.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: That's I'm not gonna eat them, And I'm okay with that.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: For shame, sir, for shame, and you spilled one.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm also not gonna eat the glass or the
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: metal lid that wasn't that was. We did say consume
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the entire jour, all right, So I feel terrible, lawyer,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: but I'd say I got at least an as.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I got an A plus because mine's all gone. Fun
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: fact for listeners that maybe haven't been with us for
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: a really long time, I know we've talked about this
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: way back, oh way back. We haven't mentioned it recently.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Austin and I consumed I think an even bigger jar
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: of pickles as a team, though together when we were
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: in junior high a youth group at church, and that
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: was like one of the challenges that we had to do.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: It was like a fear factory.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Dude. We crushed that thing. Yeah, like juice and all
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: yemer I chudged the juice at the end of it.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: It was amazing. It was like one of those core
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: memories that will stick with me forever. So we almost
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: got to do it again.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: You fell, I won't be shamed into that. I'm not
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: eating those stems. That's okay, all right, Wes Phillips, what
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: do you think zeroo hundred? Will he be back?
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: He's a tricky one for a couple of reasons. Number one,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like his role as the offensive coordinator is
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: a little murky because Kaos is the play caller and
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: it's like, wait, who's West Phillips. Oh yeah, he's the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. What does he do again? I don't know.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Isn't KOs the offensive coordinator? Right? Like? And then compound
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: that with the only I think I can only think
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: of one issue, but he had that one, I think
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: like OWI or something.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was a while ago.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: It was a while ago, but like, there there's some
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: some issues, you know, like so you've got Stefanski who's
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: now out there, Like.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I think Steffancy will get a head coaching job somewhere else.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree. But I also, if I'm the Vikings,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna if I'm quacy, if I'm ownership, I'm taking
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: a good long look at Stefanski. That guy was a
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: pivotal part of the Vikings organization for a very long time.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's very fourteen years at least, I'm sure
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: he's very well connected in the Minneapolis area. Like I
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: think it would, I mean, at least do him a
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: little bit, just like, hey, we'll give you the phone call.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: We know it's probably gonna be a no, but you know,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: if I'm quacy, I'm at least picking up the phone
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: and being like, hey, tough news about Cleveland, but good news.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: We want you here. Well.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's one of those if for some reason,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Stefancy goes, you know, a week or two however long
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: into this coach hiring cycle and doesn't get a head
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: coaching job, or doesn't immediately get latched on as an
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator with a new head coach, or something like that,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: maybe it's one of those I don't want to sound
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: totally unknowledgeable in saying, oh, yeah, Wes Phillips doesn't do anything,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: because the fact of the matter is, we don't. We
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: For all we know, Wes Phillips is like completely the
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: reason the Vikings have done anything good on offense, and
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know. If you were to ask Koc maybe
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: he'd be like, yeah, Wes Phillips is my guy, and
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to do anything without that. We
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: don't We just don't know. We're not in the building.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: We just see what we see on a TV. Yeah,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Wes Phillips does have like a weekly press conference like
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: every coordinator does.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: But like.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell is the face of the team, he's the
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: head coach, but he's also an offensive minded head coach.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: So obviously, like we've said it a few times, the
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: coach and the quarterback they get all the glory and
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: all the blame. So I don't want to just completely
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: sit here and be like, yeah, Wes Phillips, who can
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: who is that guy? I forgot about him already, get
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: rid of him. We want Stefanski back, because that's that
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: could be short sighted, But yeah, maybe it's one of
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: those where if Stefanski doesn't immediately latch on as a
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: head coach or an OC, maybe the vikings are like
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: we see it all the time, like hey, we want
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: you to be the special assistant to the head coach
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: or the passing game coordinator or just I mean, I
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: feel like we've seen like didn't Mike Zimmer always have
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: like like at an assistant head coach that wasn't necessarily
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator or the offensive coordinator. I mean, it
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: might be a good way to get him in the
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: building and have him contribute with you know, some kind
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: of weird title, and then who knows if then he's
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: always it's always nice to have a backup plan. If
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell just starts sucking it up, then you at
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: least have a guy it's like, oh well, I mean,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: if you suck it up too much, we got Stefanski
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: right here. I'm not predicting that to happen, but I
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: do think Wes Phillips I haven't heard anything that tells
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: me he won't be with the team anymore. I mean,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: the offense did okay ish sometimes this season despite injuries
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: and JJ McCarthy's, you know, development. So I think until
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: we hear something definitive, there's no reason I think Wes
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Phillips will be gone. I think it's probably at least
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: a ninety that he'll still be with the team.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say so too. I'd say it's pretty high.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: All right, here's what I want to do for the
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: next couple, because they're all defensive players. Next few, yeah,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: not just two, but the next three. We can just
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: rank them most likely to be back and least likely
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: to be back. So the three are Jonathan Grenard, Hargrave,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: and Allen.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, are they all John? They might be Javon.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Hargrave, Javon Hargrave and John Jonathan Allen.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: So to John Jennys and another j.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Yep, I'll start. I think Grenard makes a ton of
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: sense to move on from.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: And we're going to disagree on that one.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we already have because we spent some time
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: talking about this when we went to the game yesterday.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: But I just think he's right now. According to over
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: the Cap, he will be the second highest paid player
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: that the Vikings have and he will be nine point
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: nine million in dead money if you cut him before
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: June first. If you cut him after, it's only three
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: point three million. So I'm thinking this is Grenard. I
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: think you move on from him. I think he's too expensive,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: and you have Dallas Turner who's proven himself to be
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: this up and coming Edgdresser that can fill that starter
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: role perfectly. You've also got some other guys like Ivan
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Pace Junior and Levi Drake Rodriguez that have played pretty well.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: And I know they're not edge guys necessarily, but if
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Brian Floor is back, he moves them all around. Anyways.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: It's not like this. It's not like a Miles Garrett,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: just like you're gonna line up here and you're just
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: gonna like go after the quarterback every time and get
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: twenty three sacks and set the record. Yep, that's not
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: how this defense works. Jonathan Garnard too expensive. I think
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: he's least likely to come back. I think it's a
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: tie for me between the other two. I think we
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: had high expectations for both of them coming in. Neither
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: of them started great and they finished okay. So I
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: think Jonathan Garnard's the most likely to go and then
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: least likely. As a tie between Hargrave and Allen.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I for me, I could see the logistical and
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: you know, business side reasons for moving on from Gernard. However,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: it's hard to even if Dallas Turner is up and
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: coming and he looks like he's ready to take that
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: step to be not just a starter but a really
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: good player, a Pro Bowl level type player, it's still
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: hard to let go of a young, high performing edge
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: rusher that, yes he's expensive, but on some level worth
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: the money. I just I think you keep him. I
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: think he got to unless you can get a first
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: round pick for him or something like. That's the other
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: aspect is everybody's got a number, you know, like everybody
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: we could joke about it. Joe Burrow has a number,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: like there is a package that you could present any
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: team for any player for them eventually to be like, yeah,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: we can't pass that up. So I could see that
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: happening for Grenard and the Vikings, where they get an
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: offer or they shop around. Maybe, But for me as
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: a fan, that's that's such an important position and a
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: guy that when he's healthy, which has been most of
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: the time, and I think this year, had the Vikings
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: been right in the playoff hunt or in the playoffs
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: at all. He probably wouldn't have had soldier surgery, you
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: know when he did, because it was one of those
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: like yeah, I'm hurting or not playing for anything anyways,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: I might as well just say with Josh Mattelis now,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I think Hargrave he is too pricey. He's very expensive too,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: and not productive to that price tag at all. Whereas
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen, Yeah, it kind of started off kind of slow.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Well both of Hargrave and Hargrave and Allen are both expensive. Well,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: they're both expensive, and in the first game against the Bears,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: both of them were dominant, and then Hargreave kind of
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: disappeared and Allan kind of disappeared for a while too,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: But then he really started to turn it on. And
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I'm still a Jonathan Allen fan. Yeah, he's getting up there. Yeah,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: he's kind of pricey, but again that's a position where
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: it's hard to turn away good players. And yeah, even
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: if the vikings are over the cap, you know, you
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: can always figure that out and at some point you
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: do have to spend money for good players. So yeah,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: for me, it is most likely to return is Alan
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: than Grenard, than Hargrave. I think Hardgrave is you know,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: as close to a zero for me as anyone on
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: this list of being able to return.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, got one more on the list.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: We do, and this is an arbitrary list that we
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: rode ourselves, and it may be dictating what we're going
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: to talk about for the rest of the episode. But Evan,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: this isn't talking about playing time or opportunity or spot
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: on the depth chart. This is just talking are they
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty six? JJ McCarthy, What do you think?
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I think had he been drafted lower, he wouldn't be back, Okay,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: But I think because he was drafted so high, there's
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: just like this built in, like you almost get and
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: maybe they're not all with the Vikings, but you get
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: your first full four year contract, right like you get
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: four years to prove yourself, four years to adjust, four
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: years to learn the NFL game and all of its
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: nuances that are different from the college game. I don't think, well,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say it that way. I don't know for
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: sure if all four of those years for JJ McCarthy
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: will be with the Vikings, but I'm confident saying right
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: now year three will be with the Vikings because this
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: will be his third year, even though it doesn't feel
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: like it because he didn't play in his first year,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: But I think he will. He will get that third
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: year next year, whether or not he plays, whether or
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: not he starts. I don't know who they bring in
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: to help him, which is definitely a need, and we'll
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: talk about who that could be here in a minute.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: All that still remains to be seen. But I think
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: he's definitely a Viking next year. I think it's one
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: hundred percent again, and the team has invested too much
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: into this kid to just dump him. And to borrow
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: our own little catchphrase, it would be the most Vikings
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: thing ever for him to get dumped right now and
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: then go be super successful with someone else, like we've
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: seen it so many times. Brad Johnson won a freaking
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl with the Bucks, rich Gannon went off and
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: played way better with the Raiders than he ever played
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: with the Vikings, and I'm sure there are more. So Yeah, Yeah,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I think he's a Viking quarterback next year. Whether he's
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: first string, second string, who knows, we'll see. It depends
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: on how the off season goes, depends on who they
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: bring in. If they bring in a Spencer Rattler, I
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: think j. J. McCarthy's your starter.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: You hope he would beat out a Spencer Rattler, But yeah,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: you'd think that would be a three way competition between Rattler,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: McCarthy and Brozman.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you bring in a guy like Mac Jones
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: or Malik Willis or Jimmy g Like.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I think he's I think it's an open competition with
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: any of those guys if that's who they bring in.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: There's only a short list of names where it's like, oh,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: they're not competing. JJ is not gonna be the starter
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: because they brought in Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson, which
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: those things won't happen. But if they did, if they
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: somehow announced, you know, sometime between now in September, like oh,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Vikings traded with the ravens Lamar Jackson's back in purple again,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: but with the better purple. There is no competition. And honestly,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: that kind of scenario for me is the only reason
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is not one hundred percent with the team
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: anymore because you think, in a hypothetical this will never happen.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're gonna trade for Joe Burrow or
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. But if they were to, you'd think the
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: other team would say, we need JJ McCarthy to, like,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: we'll take your first round picks or whatever it is,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: but like you're also throwing in JJ McCarthy because we
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: at least need a body to put in that room too,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: whether or not he's their starter. So that would be
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: the only hypothetical scenario that JJ McCarthy's not on the
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Vikings is if they made some historical blockbuster trade for Frankly,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: an MVP level quarterback. But I totally cut you off.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: There was there anything else you were saying.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: No, I would just maybe add to what you just
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: said or respond to it. I guess I don't know
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: if the Vikings have that much cap room to go
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: out and make a huge blockbuster trade unless the incoming
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: quarterback is willing to like basically play for nothing next
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: year and kick all that money down the road into
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: future years.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: You know, I agree with you, but I will say too,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: the joke is always that the cap is a myth
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: and or if there's a will, there'll be a way,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: And I'll never pretend to be smart enough to say like, oh, yeah, no,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: they could totally do it because this is this and this,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: or oh heck no, they can't do it because of this.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: You know, there are avenues to move numbers around and
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: figure all that out anyway. So if there's a conversation
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: to be had about Joe Burrow and the only thing
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: stopping that that deal from happening would be the Viking's
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: cap space, they would figure that out. Again, I'm not
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: advocating for Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson, certainly not in
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: early January right now, but if that's what they were
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: planning on doing, they could figure it out.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: So let's list off some of these potential quarterbacks and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: let's kind of, I guess, keep the same thread going.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Which quarterback do you think is most likely to be
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: in purple and which one do you think is least
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: likely to be a Viking next year? So I think
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: we should just list them all off. Yeah, and then
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: we can kind of just spitball for a few minutes
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Let's preface this really quick before we really get dive
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: in into this. So this list of names, for the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: most part that we're gonna list off is all coming
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: from a Vikings Territory dot com article from I feel
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: like it's been over a week or two now. The
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: title of it is predicting Vikings next quarterback move, and
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: basically Vikings Territory they kind of consolidated a list of
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: a bunch of writers for the site that each kind
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: of picked one quarterback that could be a Viking next
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: year and then gave like a paragraph of I think
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: they could be because of this. So we won't dive
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: too much into that article other than using it as
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: framework for our little segment here. But if you're interested,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: and maybe we can link it to the show notes here,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: go ahead and check that article specifically out from Vikings
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Territory dot com as well. It's just their site in general.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Evan and I are both big fans of that site there.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: They do things pretty good. But yeah, Evan, I don't know,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: do you want to list him off or you want
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: me to list him off? How do we want to
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: do this? Well, you go all right, so we kind
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: of set his name already, But Spencer Ratler, he's currently
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: a Saints quarterback. I don't think he's going to be
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: a free agent or anything. He may get cut, I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: don't know, but either way, as of this moment, if
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: the Vikings were to get Spencer Ratler, they'd probably had
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: to have to trade the Saints for him, however much
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: that would be. But yeah, what do you think is
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: how do we want to do this? Do we just
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: want to read them all off?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Read them all off, and then we can kind of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: just spitball on all right? Some of our most likely
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: and least likely candidates.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Spencer Ratler with the Saints right now. Marcus
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Mariota who is currently a Commander, but I think he's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: about to be a free agent. Kenny Pickett who is
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: a Raider and I don't think he's about to be
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: a free agent. But either way, the Raiders are all
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: in shambles. They might be drafting Mendozo with a first
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: overall pick. You never know. Malik Willis, who is a
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Packers quarterback and he will be a free agent here
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, I mean he would require a historic blockbuster trade. Again,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: he's with the Bengals. Will Levis, he is a Titans quarterback.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: I think he's been on IR for quite a while now,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: all of this season. But I don't think he's going
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: to be a free agent. Joe Flacco forty plus years old.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: He's a Bengals quarterback. He will be a free agent.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Mac Jones forty nine Ers quarterback. If you're gonna get him,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to trade for him. Jimmy Garoppolo currently
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: with the Rams. He'll be a free agent. And then
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: one name that wasn't on that list, but I think
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: is still worth mentioning right now, Carson Wentz. He'll be
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: a free agent, but he's already in your building. You
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: know the most about him theoretically than anybody else on
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: the list.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a little controversial here, man, all.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Right, let's hear it. Oh another name that wasn't on
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: the article, but probably worth talking about just because Joe
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Burrow is on there. I mean Lamar Jackson. He technically
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: could be talked about as well well.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Speaking of I think Joe Burrow is one that I
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: think we could see in purple.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I think he expressed so much frustration in the Bengals organization,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and he was unfortunately one of those players that didn't
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: really have any problem airing his grievances yea in public,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: which I'm not saying I want this, but I think
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: he definitely stirred the pot quite a bit. I know
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: there were a couple of soundbites of him that came
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: out when he was miked up just on the sideline,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: frustrated with his Yeah, I can't remember exactly what it was,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: but he's like sitting on the bench and watching what
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: was happening on the field, and he just like was
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: very vocal about the fact that Zach Taylor had made
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: whatever decision he made. Joe Burrow grew up a Vikings fan,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: did he?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Or is it just that one photo there make sure.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Of him in a Randy Moss jersey, So I don't know. Anyways,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that would be a real
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: splashy move. You said it a little bit ago. There
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be any competition. JJ McCarthy would absolutely be second
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: second string.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: I think in that scenario that you're a you're one
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: hundred percent trading JJ McCarthy to the Bengals.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: And that could be the scenario too. Yeah, I don't
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: know that it's one hundred percent that JJ would be gone,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: but I think he would. He would be almost certain.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say one hundred percent certain, but almost certainly
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: A part of that trade package. But I don't know.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: I I think that that could be a really interesting possibility.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: And we said it at the beginning of the season.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: This team is in win now mode and you're not
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: really losing a ton of guys from the other parts
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: of the team, like you've got a really solid core.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: And I would still say at this point, now that
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: the Vikings twenty five twenty six season is over, the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: twenty six twenty seven season still has a ton of
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: potential to be a win now a team. And so
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's Quacy's hail Mary. Maybe he's just like, well,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: apparently I can't draft well, so let's try this and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: if it works, great, and if not, I guess I'm
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: going somewhere else.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, maybe that is where you'd get me
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: on board with getting rid of Jonathan Garnard too, because
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: if you had some kind of a trade package that
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: allowed you to send that would probably still you know,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: a JJ McCarthy, Jonathan Gernard, and then probably at least
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: two first round picks along with those guys, plus some
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: other stuff to sweeten the deal, just to get Joe Burrow.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: That might be the that's the kind of package that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: it would require. If not way more, I'd be okay
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: with it. It would you're mortgaging the future. I mean,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: you're you're talking multiple years without a first round pick.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: You're talking, man, I hope Joe Burrow is healthy, you know,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: like man, we're given or all just for that. But
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: if he's not healthy, and if he's you know, if
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: he misses time or if he ends up sucking, then
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: you're just back in the same situation you are right now,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: just minus a couple first round picks at least, probably
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: three first round picks at least.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we should make this more like our wish list,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: because like that Joe Burrow and and then I would
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I would say Lamar Jackson would top my wish list
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: of Vikings quarterbacks.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: I mean that's the order I would go. I wo'd
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: want Joe Burrow a way before Lamar Jackson, but I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: wouldn't say no to either right now.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Correct, And then I think after that, like I think
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones looks like a pretty decent option. Malik Willis
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: looked really good for the Packers filling in for Jordan
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Love until he got hurt. So I don't know that
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: probably that would be the top of my list the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: bottom of my list. Spencer Rattler is definitely at the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: bottom of my list. I just remember watching him when
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: he was.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: In high school on that Oh was he on the show?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: He's on that one show? I forget what he was
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: even called, but.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Whatever it was, QB or whatever happens on.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Like MTV or something not was it on Netflix? I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: can't remember.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember. I know what you're talking about.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: He just annoyed the crap out of me, And honestly,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just not really interested in any of these other guys.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota not not interested? Can he? Pickett hasn't really
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: done anything in the league.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: No, he's bounced around too much. But apparently he must be,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: you know, good enough in meeting room and on the
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: practice field because he keeps getting opportunities. I agree. He
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't move the meter for me much at all.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: The other guys are kind of in the middle, Like,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think i'd like to see some of those
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: guys I just listen did in Purple, Carson Wentz, Jimmy
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: g Oh, Okay.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe I mean, if you're looking to fill oh crap
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: spot for one season or you know, part of a
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: season because your playing a went down. I think that's
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Garoppolo or Wentz, and we've already seen what that looks
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: like with Wentz. Maybe Wentz would be better if he
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: had a full offseason in the same team or maybe
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: even working out. I don't know how in shape he was.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: He was fine, but like I don't know, maybe he
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: would have been better if he had been with the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: team the whole offseason. Yeah, my dream preference is the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Burrow Lamar Jackson, but I also put that at like
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: a two percent chance of happening either one. Will Levis
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: might be an interesting one with the right. If you
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: still think there's some QB whisperer to KOC, maybe a
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: guy like Will Levis might be good. Maybe a guy
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: who knows maybe Spencer Ratler with a quote unquote CB
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: you whisper.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know who.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: I've already taken that title away from Kevin O'Connell in
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: my mind, But yeah, maybe Will Levis Spencer Ratler could
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: be good. But those are both I think that they're
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: in the tier of if you sign those guys or
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: trade for those guys, it's a competition, not an all
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: out replacement of JJ McCarthy. We can talk before he
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: pulled himself out of the game against the Packers, and
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: really the last what three or four games he's played
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: in JAJ McCarthy has shown all right, there's something there.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Like he threw a couple passes against the Packers where
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: I don't care if they're second stringers or backups that
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: you're going against on defense. There were some good passes.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: He had some zip. Especially if you're saying, oh, his
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: hand's hurting bad enough that he pulled himself out. Man,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: some of those passes looked great. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: It'll be an interesting talker, but I think we're kind
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: of in the same boat of what our dream situation
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: would be. And then outside of the dream situation of
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Burrow or Jackson, not really any name on that list
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: moves the meter for me too much at all.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Well, it'll be really interesting to see what happens. We're
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: just a couple of dudes drinking beer and we don't
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: know anything. We're not gms, we're not coaches, we're not players,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: but we've always got something to talk about. And with
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  Speaker 1: this team especially, it seems like it's always got to
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  Speaker 1: do something with the quarterback. So that will be something
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  Speaker 1: that will track basically from now until next season when
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: that Gath starts.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, we're not done talking about the quarterback
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  Speaker 2: position until JJ McCarthy earns a Pro Bowl, not you know,
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  Speaker 2: like or something like that. We've kind of joked that
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: it's been our biggest talker as a podcast since we
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: started because there's always been an a topic for the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: quarterback position ever since we started. That's not going to change.
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  Speaker 2: And even if they do trade for Burrow, then my
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  Speaker 2: first question is going to be, like, all right, he
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  Speaker 2: gonna be healthy, like, because that's that's the biggest thing
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  Speaker 2: with McCarthy is one is he developing? Two it's is
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  Speaker 2: he healthy? Burrows had a couple of up and down
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  Speaker 2: healthy sentence, But yeah, that's that's a question for everybody too.
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  Speaker 1: Let's finish this off real quick. Not that I like
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  Speaker 1: talking about other NFC North teams, but.
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  Speaker 2: There's relevant football.
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  Speaker 1: There's an NFC North battle happening wild card weekends. It's
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  Speaker 1: this Saturday actually in Chicago. The Bears are hosting the
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  Speaker 1: Packers in the first round of the playoffs. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: Chicago are one and a half point favorites. The over
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: under is set at forty five and a half. Who
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  Speaker 1: you got at Soldier Field this Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think the Bears are gonna pull it out.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be a pretty game from
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  Speaker 2: either team. The Packers are just so injured, and that
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  Speaker 2: would have been the case, you know. Yeah, they sat
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of players against the Vikings here today, but
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  Speaker 2: they're so injured outside of that anyways, Yeah, Love would
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  Speaker 2: have sat the game against the Vikings no matter what.
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  Speaker 2: But isn't he coming off an injury right now too?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why Malik Willis was starting. And then Malik
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Willis got hurt. Yeah, so Love was actually the backup,
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  Speaker 1: yeah yesterday when we watched him play.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was smart for them not to play anybody.
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  Speaker 2: The Packers were not trying to do anything in that
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: Vikings game except not get shut out and just get
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: out of the game alive and not get anybody injured.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: But I still think at this moment, the Bears are
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: better poised. They're probably more jacked up ready to go.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: You could argue about who the better coach is at
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: the moment. I don't think there's any question that of
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: their careers so far. Lafleur he's got he's like seven
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: years in. Obviously he's the better overall coach right now
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: or like up until now. But at this very moment,
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  Speaker 2: who's going to lead their team to a victory easier.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be a blowout by
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  Speaker 2: any means. But I think the Bears being at home,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: you know, having the adrenaline of you know, being in
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: the playoffs for the first time in a while and
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: division winners for the first time since twenty eighteen. I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: just I think the Bears are gonna win this. But
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: I'm also not a believer in the Bears. I think
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: they're gonna get taken down by you know, the Seahawks
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: or the Niners or something. Yeah or yeah. So I
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: just I think in this game, Packers Bears again, as
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: close as it'll be, I think the Bears will pull
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  Speaker 2: it out. What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I like the I like
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: the odds. Right now. I think Chicago wins. I think
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: it's a close game. It'll be outdoors, it's January. It's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be cold, it's gonna be windy. We're supposed
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: to get some weather this weekend, and they're playing on Saturday,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: not on Sunday. Oh yeah, they play the seven pm
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Saturday game, So I'm interested. It'll be interesting to see
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: how the injuries affect the Packers. Maybe they rested enough
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: when they didn't play against the Vikings and did enough
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: to score three points with one second left, or maybe
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: they're just so banged up that you know it's not
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: worth it. I don't know. We'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 2: I like the Bears, yeah, and I think it's gonna
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: be something like the Bears will win something like twenty
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: to seventeen, or like twenty four to twenty one something.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: It'll be a close skick like that. It's also not
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: going to be three nothing, you know, it'll be they'll
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: score a few points.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: But I think both of these defenses will will have
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: good games. So I don't know if they even get
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: to forty five and a half. Yeah, over under like
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: and especially being outdoors and cold, you could see a
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: lot of run in the ball and just you know,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: hard nosed football, which you would expect out of Packers
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Bears playoff game.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it'll be it'll be a fun one to watch.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: I think a bittersweet because like fun as a football fan,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: but also crappy as a Vikings fan. At least the
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Lions aren't there, And you know that means the worst
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: fan base in sports is going to be watching football,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: not rooting for their team. The worst, the worst fan
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: base in sports.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: So you know what else is bittersweet? The fact that
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: we're done with purple punishments for the year.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been fun. You threw a change up on
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: us this week. Maybe you'll throw another one on us
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: next week.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Who knows, we're done.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: I would be okay with putting the pickles back on
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: the wheel for next year. Listeners, If you can think
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: of any any good purple punishments that we can put
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: on the wheel for next season, we're we can listen.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: I think as much as you hated it eating something spicy,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: that's probably a good one to put on the wheel.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I would much rather eat a whole jar of
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: pickles like I did tonight than eat the spicy thing
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  Speaker 1: that I did last week.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: But I'm sure we could find like spicy pickles. No,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: we're set up for stingpong now, thank you. Friend of
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: the show, Brian. Yeah, if you listener can think of
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: anything else to put on there. We're not going to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: do anything like torturous, We're not We're not going to
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: do anything crazy, but something fun along the lines of
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: the Cinnamon challenge or shooting each other with a bb gun.
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  Speaker 2: it's that one's.
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  Speaker 1: That one was terrible. But you just think you didn't
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• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, you know, maybe I did it the exact way.
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