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We Will Be Evaluating Over the Next 4-6 Weeks · Archons Corner

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  Let's make sense. Ou oh oue Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and all
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  right, what's going on? Everybody? I am the one, the only,
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  the w oh okay, I e doing the emergency broadcast for the Q
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  and A. We're on the street. It was tough to hear. It
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  was tough to hear for us too, because some people know how to talking
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  to a mic, some people don't. So is what it is. So
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  I have our resident PhD doctor Sheep here to talk about it with me.
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  Bill stupid Yep Sheep is grumpy sheep right now. And we decided to bring
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  Miss Sydney along with for the ride too. Hello, Hello, welcome to
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  the Hate Zone. This is all hate, all the time network. And
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  I bring with me my titular segment. Yeah, your titular segment. Nobody
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  ever gets that joke, and I think it's hilarious. I'm not sure why,
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  but here we are. But we wanted to go over real quick.
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  There was a ton of ton of ton of questions on the Q and A,
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  so just do kind of the real quick. We'll go over some stuff,
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  not everything, because there were some that just I don't know if they've
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  made sense or not, but they did talk. First question was on the
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  band and restricted list? Is that correct? Yeah, I just want to
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  make sure I'm following this correct. So the first question was asking it was
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  revisions, right, yep. Somebody wanted to know if they were considering it
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  using this weekend or not, and I do believe the answer was that they
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  will be looking it over the next four to six weeks over the season to
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  determine if any changes needed to be made. Yep, that's all they said.
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  You're going to hear that phrase quite often throughout this so it was their
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  It was basically the easy button that they would push all the time. Next
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  question was Vault Tours. What kind of the questioning of the Vault Tours?
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  Where are they going to be, what are they going to do? How
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  are they going to look? And again we got the well, we're going
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  to evaluate this season over the next four to six weeks. As much as
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  I was expecting that, I really was hoping for for anything a teeny tiny
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  bit more concrete, just because they they have already done a whole season,
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  so they already should have some contacts. They also already had a game found,
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  so they already should have that data. Like what what information do they
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  need to do more evaluating? Well, I could see it, like,
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  do you want to go back to Seattle? I didn't go the first time?
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  I know, That's what I'm saying. Like, so, I think,
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  like there was some that were really successful, there are some that weren't.
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  I think this season was as good as it could have been an extraordinarily
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  short notice. It was super duper thrown together, super duper quickly, right
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  because originally they had the plan of I don't want to say expediting, but
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  outsourcing to a third and that didn't happen. And I mean, sheep,
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  you and I have talked. We still believe that they are going to attempt
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  to outsource this to a third party again, but they kind of got to
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  do it quick. Yep. So is that just a grumbling brand? Are
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  you grumbling after everything we're saying? I agree, I I I don't think.
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  Uh. I don't think they know what they're doing fully for vaults yet,
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  so we don't get to know yep. So, And they are very
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  much now in the horse or in the stable of if we don't have a
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  concrete answer, we are not even going to speculate on it might have been
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  something we did sorry. It might have something to do with the promises of
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  last year never coming to fruition, maybe something about that. Next question up
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  was Worlds for the next year, and again Worlds will be at a very
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  similar time in November at the Game Center again, so kind of I guess
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  we all kind of figured that, but somebody did ask that question. Next
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  question up crowdfunding. Are they going to continue to crowdfund? I mean,
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  even though it was only a vague yes, it was basically a yes.
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  Yes. The answer is they're more than likely get a crowdfund, So from
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  what I got, I was sitting in the back kind of moderating the chat
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  that was going on, and it was, you know, blah blah blah.
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  It was a very long winded answer. But then it was if it
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  makes sense to do it again, Yes, we're going to do it again,
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  right, which means they are going to do which means yes, the
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  number skies will also be crowdfunded. Feelings on that one, guys, I
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  don't personally hate the crowdfunding. I like seeing what I'm getting. I like
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  being able to buy in bulk all at once and that way. I mean,
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  the extra stuff that they're putting on top is also kind of cool being
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  able to get the I know your opinions on the posters, but I don't
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  like what it's doing to retail, but I don't hate the crowdfunding aspect of
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  it, because we also got a very i don't want to say short,
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  but a little bit different from last year. Last year they gave us kind
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  of the whole like, we're going to have store Leader, We're gonna have
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  store Championships at the state and those will lead into this and then that will
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  lead into nationals and then that, you know, then where I have vault
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  tours. None of that was mentioned, and we'll go over more that this
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  week on Thursday for the episode, but they went more into their idea for
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  store champ or not store championships, but surrounding local play this year, and
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  according to them, to l O will so. Then there was another question
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  with local stores. Next question was local stores needing required to use to the
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  too l O system. The answer to that was no, but to l
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  O, for whatever reason, we'll also have the ability to do Swiss,
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  not that we use it in the events, right cheap. Sure you're so
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  fiy today, sheep. Tone it down over there, sir, Sorry,
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  focused at the moment, this one. I didn't here in this one.
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  Probably dark ascension, ascension, ascension, okay, yeah, making decks be
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  no longer playable for whatever reason, at whatever level, because they've earned the
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  the honor to to get the heck out of all of the tournaments they're dominating.
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  Oh you mean Jack, Hey, I didn't say it, you did?
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  Yeah? You mean Jacques? That went two in Worlds? It didn't
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  go two, did it? It went two in Worlds? It is not
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  insane. It's so crazy to think that, Like, if they take into
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  account what happened at Worlds versus what happened at every single Vault tour, then
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  Jacques can in fact keep like winning Vault tours, taking home money and and
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  getting the invites that other people aren't getting, but then not win the prize
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  at world So not be ascended. I mean, novel one, what two
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  vault tours with it? Three nationals? Right, right? Nationals? There
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  was no money for But I mean six grand did get a sweet mat?
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  How many maths did you get this year? Sheep? I got the same
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  sweep mat. And also it's twin that says alliance, yes, yes,
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  And then I got on sweet mats, and we'll talk about those more this
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  Thursday. But I am hoping for some form of deck ascension. I do
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  think it's something that needs to be considered. I do think, sheep,
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  don't hurt me. Every deck that was in Worlds this year should be ascended
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  to the next level. Let the game move on and move forward. That
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  may be the dumbest thing ever you ever say. Why because half of those
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  decks, that's the only tournament they've ever even played. I don't know if
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  it's actually half, but some of those decks is basically the only tournament they've
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  ever played in The deck didn't qualify for Worlds. The player did. It
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  is different things going on there. That's a struggle too. I mean what
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  they basically ended up saying was they haven't even decided if they're going to do
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  it at all, like even though it maybe they may be considering doing it
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  in a variety of ways, like they ended with if at all. And
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  that's basically we're giving ourselves an out to not even address this. That's the
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  feeling you got. That's not the feeling I got. Ooh, okay,
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  So just reading a little body language, it's kind of what I do for
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  a living more or less coming a bond star. I got the feeling that
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  they are going to make an announcement similar to what I said or in that
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  fashion, and you're gonna have a lot of decks that are now just dead,
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  and you're gonna have a lot of think you are high. Maybe I
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  am, Maybe I am? I am? I mean from the read I
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  got, and now I wasn't there for the Q and A, but the
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  other people I talked to, the read they got was yeah, we ain't
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  gonna do nothing. That's that's kind of what I got. That's not what
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  I got. I got the very uncomfortableness. Curly was stirring a little bit
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  from what I could see in his chair, Meaning they have some idea of
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  how they are going to do it. And I'm not saying it's going to
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  happen now. It may not happen next year. But I do get the
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  feeling they're going to do something, and they're going to do something that is
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  going to irritate a good chunk of the community. Well that could be from
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  anything they said this event. They are here. They irritated one person and
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  that famous sheep. I don't actually know if I'm the No, you're not
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  the only one, because literally your situation happened. I think in every tournament
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  this weekend, everyone the Alliance side. I know what happened to ye,
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  and I do believe also happened in the open. It happened in the art
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  kind open too. It was literally the same scenario happened, but yep,
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  oh needs an update. So we got into everyone contributes the storyline backstory.
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  Somebody asked about how they come up with all of the art or all of
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  the storyline, and so the answer was, everyone contributes, and the artwork
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  informs a lot of the story. So somebody actually cares about the books and
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  the lore. And then you heard a collective grumble going, this game has
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  a story. I didn't know. I was like, oh, there's a
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  s I knew the book without but beyond that, I didn't know anything.
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  But I'm a huge fan. I love I loved all of it, the
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  books, the lore, the RPG, the flavor text and all the cards.
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  Like I don't I don't need to know how or why, but I
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  appreciate that they do it. I did see something today from Wizard Random.
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  I don't know if either of you actually have Twitter, but the noose.
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  What is his name? Tribute tribute something Newsome, Gavin Newsom, no Newsom
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  triangulator Newsom triangulator Newsom. So he has he's a card and on his art
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  is there's an a memoriam and you have there's three characters that are enshrined on
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  there and it's their card art no com Officer Palick. So if you look
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  at his card art, there's an in memoriam wall and there's for three it's
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  Kirby, which I think we already knew was subject to Kirby and then who
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  is the two? If you reap you gain an ember between However, many
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  creatures are draw and gain power thank you. But they're they're also on on
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  the on the plaque, so roomor on the street as they're dead r I,
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  P and drum or not. Does it just have a picture of DT
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  as well? That's actually it's just not a frame. It's just not a
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  frame. Just a little bit to the right. You can't make it out.
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  But big thing. I think we were all wondering about a dech Ascension
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  story deck customization with the reprints. What was that going to look like as
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  far as what they were going to be able to do and translations, so
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  on and so forth, and when is it going to be released? So
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  CTP said roughly about three to four months. And I believe a price point
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  was asked too, and he said under fifty dollars. So originally he's like,
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  well, we don't know yet because we don't know, and then it
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  was under fifty dollars, so I'm with Sydney forty nine ninety nine. Yeah,
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  and then I'm not sure if it was. It wasn't right away,
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  was it, or did somebody ask later on about foils? Oh, yeah,
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  there it is foil cards. So it is confirmed they can do foil
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  cards and maybe chin scrap oiled. I said, well, yeah, they
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  can't actually do just cards, which makes sense, Like we've talked about this
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  one hundred times, Like I don't understan, I still understand why you can't
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  swap a card for a card. You're doing deck checks anyways, I guess
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  you don't do it at just the base level. Did they do any deck
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  checks besides top eight cheap? They did checks for all sixty four? Yeah,
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  yeah, no, no, but I'm saying, like when you went
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  to a vault tour, right and you showed up and you were playing Arkon,
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  did they check your deck to make sure what they're supposed to be there?
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  I never noticed them do a in game deck check or like a yeah,
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  I never noticed one. I only ever got deck checked the top eight,
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  oh right, top four. I And that's the only time I've ever
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  seen them do deck checks is for Worlds. They did everybody and then but
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  like usually it was always like after cut they would deck check. So,
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  I mean, I guess if somebody really wants to cheat, they're gonna cheat.
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  But whatever, I like kating, you sure do. But yeah,
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  foil DEXs is something that they said they can't they have the ability to do,
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  but they didn't realize there's a huge cost to it, which I understand
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  that. You know, twenty sheets of foil paper is somehow twenty dollars,
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  So yeah, there's going to be a cost to it. So if you
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  want to foil out your foil out your favorite deck, it might be in
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  one hundred dollars price range. I wouldn't surprise me at all. So one
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  of the things that was significant to me was actually giving a three to four
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  month time range. Yea when everything else, everything else they said was was
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  there like four to six weeks, four to six weeks for like, they
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  actually had a time range for when they could do this, which means to
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  me that they have something in mind that is actually happening. Well four to
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  six weeks, yeah, it's six to eight weeks of doing nothing, reviewing
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  and considering the season. Yeah, that was four to six weeks too when
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  they said they were going to review the season, they said for right,
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  right. So but that's why, I mean, it's more meaningful that he
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  actually gave a different timeline for this. Three to four months means that there
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  was a timeline with actual thought behind it that's different than just the four to
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  six weeks that they threw out for everything. Yeah, that's true, that's
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  very true. I don't know their process well enough to know why it would
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  take four to six weeks, I mean three to four months. Like,
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  eh, maybe they have to get through printing all the gam reminders first.
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  Well that's probably one of them. The other one would probably be like infrastructure
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  for getting all the decks they have to reprint. But like, how do
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  you order? How do you enable it? Like that seems more like a
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  hot okay, so if I'm going to order it, right, and I
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  want to order a deck? How to or do I put it? Do
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  I put it on the Master Vault site? Do I put it on the
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  key Ford You're saying they need to develop a GG branded store front because something
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  probably through game Center where you got to buy everything else right now, even
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  if you put it up on well, do you buy it through game Center?
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  That's where you get your vault to our tickets. That's but that's it,
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  like I guess, I don't know. And literally everything they sell of
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  Keyford. Yeah, yeah, all all sales currently go through game Okay,
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  I mean, but then there's probably like a hot you know that then has
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  to check with the Master Vault to make sure you own said thing digitally sure,
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  and then you know that heck, so that's going to talk to another
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  website, which isn't that hard. We we we have an API for drawbeutter
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  dot car words. I don't know it, just it seems like there's actually
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  probably more tech on the back end. And then not only that, how
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  do you so right now they're printing all the grim reminders, right the printing
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  griom reminders, printing groom reminders, and then they've got to find like a
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  timeline where they're able to do it right, so like cause like you can't
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  go into like, well, now we're printing Ember skies, I don't stop
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  stop everything. We got to print this one deck. Yeah. I don't
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  know how that works functionally at all what you're saying, because like, are
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  you saying what they're going to do is in two months they're going to open
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  up this portal and they're going to be like, all right, if you
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  want a deck reprinted, put it in here, and in two more months
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  we'll shut the printers down from their current jobs to print these decks. Or
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  you said printers. I think they have just the one yep, uh,
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  maybe maybe they have to print mine Bug. Maybe they have to maybe mine
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  Bug two is coming out and in this but I have a timeline for that.
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  Are you suggesting that these deck reprints are only going to be available occasionally?
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  To me, that's kind of the feel unless they have multiple printers.
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  I mean, are you going to stop everything you're printing right now to print
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  one deck for me, and then one deck for you, and one deck
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  for Sydney and then one deck for you know what I mean? Every time?
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  Every time you're done, you know, well, Okay, we're printing
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  group reminders today. Hold on, there was an order we got to stop
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  everything we're doing because I'm sure somebody paid us, right, So now you've
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  got to load probably a completely different software into that system or connected to something
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  different to then print reprints. I don't I don't think it's new software.
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  That's not how print drivers work. Old software, but a different version.
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  Because now you're not just importing, importing random decks, importing a deck.
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  Yeah, that's just the computer you The computer needs whatever processing file they use,
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  and then it just sends the print job. This is why we have
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  two tech people on staff. Yeah, but they don't ever show up because
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  they're like typical tech people. Well, one's like fourteen years old. I
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  would finished showing yet we don't need to continue being jealous that he has more
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  skills than us at fourteen. I mean, does that not make sense?
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  I mean, I guess we can talk more about it on Thursday when we
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  have a Southerly and a dras Corps. But I don't know, at least
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  mentally. Yeah, but I don't know like that. I mean, it
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  seems like you would have to stop everything you're doing, print a deck and
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  then return back to it. So there's different weight for something like a reprinting
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  of a deck or giving deck borders and the translations of a deck, because
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  if they end up implementing the fact that you need to have a deck in
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  English or in the language that the Vaultaur is being played in, they are
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  putting a rules requirement on something. So they actually have to be able to
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  let people print that they like. They need to make the room in their
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  printing schedule for that if they're going to require it, right, And that's
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  I think that's the biggest question that to me and my small walnut brain makes
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  the most sense, but I could be wrong, right It just it seems
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  like it's more of a tech thing than anything else. Sure, because I
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  don't know. This company hates money too, so I don't let's really let's
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  release a game found but then not do sealed shrug. Next question was on
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  storyline events. So if you did watch the keynote, something will be coming
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  up in summer for a storyline event. What that means, we have no
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  idea. This company also loves surprises. I just I love the fact that
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  we have something like other than like they confirmed world will be there next year,
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  so nothing between here and worlds would have been absolutely depressing. But we're
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  walking away with there will be a thing where I will probably see some of
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  your faces again months from now. Yeah. Well no, they said it
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  was a storyline event. He said it would be somewhere in the summer.
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  So what June, July, August, somewhere in that timeframe. When is
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  gen Con normally that first weekend in August? Right? Oh yeah, so
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  probably, I mean that's that's that. At least this year was designated for
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  US nationals. I don't see why that would change. So probably June or
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  July would be that storyline event. But their answer to it literally was no
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  comment. We don't want to. And I think this is sometimes it's such
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  a just a horrible marketing strategy, I know, not getting us excited for
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  it, Like why would you do that. You have nothing else for us
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  to be excited for, no no event, no physical in prison event for
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  us to be excited for you yet next year, and yet the one thing
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  you've teased, you are giving us nothing. Right, and think about it
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  this way, like they teased, like what did they call this the nightfall
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  event where we've got grim reminders so we could all kind of make the assumption
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  that we were getting Grimm reminders, but like, why not put out a
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  placard be the first to play Grimm Reminders at our nightfall event at Key Forde
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  Celebration in Roseville, Minnesota, twenty twenty three. I think you get more
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  people if you put that out there, right, the fact that you're giving
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  away the newest set like my only thing, Like I will give them the
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  benefit benefit of the doubt every time they don't communicate something in that maybe at
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  the time at which they are communicating, they don't have all the issues ironed
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  out. And it stinks if that is a com like a repeating problem that
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  is causing them to not do all of this advertising, because this is their
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  to not give all the information for something until it is too late to either
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  acquire or be at that something. And it's it's really really cool for the
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  people that either jumped in blindly or lucked out and got it. Well.
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  Theirm last year was let's get everybody excited for this thing that's not gonna happen.
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  Yeah, and then I think this here, they're like, let's maybe
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  not say anything until we know. Also maybe a maybe a consequence of all
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  the shit we gave them for how long? I don't know. Yeah,
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  I blame you guys for everything. I would it's probably our fault. But
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  like it's just it's one of those things where it's like this is a perfect
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  opportunity to really market it out there, get us excited for something. I
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  mean it is what probably six to ten months away mm hmm, but like
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  put it out there. You know there's gonna be a storyline event. We
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  know it's gonna be. Where is it going to be? We don't want
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  say. When is it going to be? We don't want to say.
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  And for a lot of us, it's like I have to get PTO approved.
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  I have to. You know, there's there's more to it than just
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  being able to hop on a plane and go. You know, a lot
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  of us have children that we have to figure out plans for them, if
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  you play key forder teachers, so the summer just was was enough for them.
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  But then on the same note, like some of us aren't teachers,
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  so we got to get approved, right I Like, you're like a lot
• 25:33
  of them are teachers. It's literally Z and he's not a teacher anymore,
• 25:37
  is he? I don't know. And uh and Jr. Who else is
• 25:41
  a teacher? I think that's just like everyone who plays as a teacher.
• 25:45
  You know, Tobins. Tobin's a teacher. Yes, yeah, second second
• 25:49
  acts a teacher. So out of the one hundred and seventy people, three
• 25:59
  god what judge, judge you guys a teacher? G or market now Duncan,
• 26:07
  Yeah, Duncan is a teacher. There there are a lot of teachers
• 26:11
  in Key Forge. Sounds like our next marketing opportunity. But I just it's
• 26:17
  like it's we talk about marketing and well we asked a question on that or
• 26:21
  later, but like it's like this is the perfect time to get us excited
• 26:23
  to see something in the future, make us, you know, maybe buy
• 26:27
  a few extra things and just crickets crickets. Uh. Then we talked about
• 26:40
  Vault tours, more Vault tours overseas. They definitely said that there will be
• 26:45
  given more time to do it. Now a go ahead, cheep a.
• 26:52
  You know, they tried to outsource them last year. They found two people
• 26:56
  willing to do it. They're gonna try to outsource them again this year.
• 26:59
  I do expect the information and opportunity to be put out there sooner than it
• 27:06
  was last year. But I don't know did they get that much more uptake
• 27:11
  than they have now? I just don't know. Could be time could have
• 27:18
  Time could have been a huge factor where people might have been willing to take
• 27:22
  them up on whatever they're like whatever like restrictions they needed to meet. But
• 27:26
  we're able, like weren't able to like get a facility in time or well
• 27:33
  time, time is what gig can offer them. So right, it's it's
• 27:37
  a money thing, like it's one hundred percent of money thing. Sure,
• 27:41
  it's got to be right. And you unfortunately, with the two formats,
• 27:47
  you've given two people to oh, yeah, make money, neither of those
• 27:52
  actually do right. Besides for the entry fee, I don't know what kind
• 27:57
  of anything they would get from the keys. I can't imagine you're, like
• 28:03
  there's any monetary value to the person running it off of the keys that are
• 28:07
  being spent. I mean, I guess as time passes, people are going
• 28:11
  to use up amber shards unless you are because of what is it fifty shards
• 28:15
  for key and so like, after a while, fifty fifties adds up.
• 28:25
  Well, you're tough. How many shards you got a little over, little
• 28:30
  little north of four grand. Sure that sounds accurate. Yeah, my god,
• 28:34
  I'm like the six hundred something. Oh I have something even scanning she
• 28:44
  does it. She's not all the sleepers just hanging out in her house.
• 28:48
  So they're not. I'm I'm now at thirty five Okay, I'm at like
• 28:53
  thirty four eighty six. So I mean those MM days were real, real
• 29:00
  good to the ambershards, and there may have been a lot botting, but
• 29:07
  I mean, I don't think either way. I don't think that's a big
• 29:11
  factor for the tournament organizer to get anything out of it. There's no The
• 29:15
  tournament organizer gets absolutely nothing from that key, right, So that's what I'm
• 29:18
  saying. There's nothing there for him. So outside of the seventy five dollars
• 29:22
  that they would charge for your entry, I guess you could try to sell
• 29:26
  product, but there's no reason to like that was the big thing about sealed
• 29:32
  is you're able to make money off of sealed, But I don't do do
• 29:37
  you do the seventy five plus because it used to just what was it just?
• 29:41
  Oh what happened here? Huh? That was strange? That was totally
• 29:57
  weird. Did it just kick everyone. Yes, I think sheep pushed a
• 30:02
  button. I'm pretty sure he just ended the stage. He's like, I'm
• 30:07
  done with this, I'm getting out of here. Maybe we'll see if he
• 30:08
  comes back. But I don't think, I mean monetarily, what did it
• 30:12
  used to be for? It was a forty dollars for entry for sealed event
• 30:18
  six. It depends because some of them were at conventions and we were able
• 30:22
  to like they would. I mean the price is like literally varied, and
• 30:27
  it was different most events you went to, because like origins was a like
• 30:32
  what like a sixty dollars to get in because you had to buy the badge
• 30:34
  with it right right like when Yetti was running it, Yet he always did
• 30:38
  it separate from everything else, not today typically Actually did Yedi run it with
• 30:45
  any conventions? Did you push? I have no idea what button that push,
• 30:52
  but I'm back. Yeah, it totally booted all of us. It
• 30:55
  was the weirdest I've never seen Discord do that and all the time we've been
• 31:00
  using it, but that was strange. It on me. My hands are
• 31:04
  literally on my desk and touching no buttons. So yeah, I don't think
• 31:12
  YETI ever did anything in association with a con because they came in after gen
• 31:18
  Con, so there was no cons to run. There was no cons running.
• 31:22
  Yeah, I remember the ones I went to with them were run by
• 31:26
  them. Conventions. Yeah, I'm trying to think, like I can't actually
• 31:32
  can actually come up with one, but I did, like I do remember
• 31:34
  going to them at conventions like the Origins and gen Con and the one in
• 31:40
  Schomberg. Yeah, Schomberg. And well, yeah, that's what I'm saying,
• 31:47
  Like all the ones that I remember were before them. Yeah, that
• 31:49
  was all. I don't even remember who that company was anymore. But so
• 31:57
  it's like, you gotta, Mike, I don't know, got a pony
• 32:01
  up the dough there a little bit, give them a little bit of sealed
• 32:05
  so they can try to recoup some money. Got my My favorite thing that
• 32:07
  they had was a keyfordge vending machine, and I gave way too much money
• 32:12
  to that vending machine because the idea of getting a key Forge deck out of
• 32:14
  a vending machine was so awesome that the FFG vending machine at gen Con that
• 32:19
  was kind of cool. Too bad, it was all Ala didn't even twitch
• 32:25
  me in the slightest way to say, give them money. Because they put
• 32:29
  it in a silly vending machine. It feels so like I'm just gonna get
• 32:34
  a bag of chips. I'm just gonna get a drink and I'll get a
• 32:37
  KeyForge deck. They should have put chips and such in there. Kuld have
• 32:42
  been like, Oh, I'm here already, I might as well something to
• 32:45
  go with my chips and my PEPSI and grab a keyboarde deck while I'm at
• 32:49
  it. But that was basically that power Creep. There was a little talk
• 32:53
  about power Creep because a lot of people think Reminders is busted. Maybe I
• 33:00
  don't know, do you guys feel it's busted. Nope, I don't think
• 33:05
  it's busted, But I don't know. It probably wasn't a slip he Michael
• 33:08
  probably said this like with clear intention of saying it, but it felt like
• 33:12
  a slip to me where he says he specifically said he doesn't think or Reminders
• 33:15
  is more competitive than previous sets. But he said that, and so I
• 33:19
  don't know whether it was to quell the actual question about power Creep or if
• 33:22
  he literally doesn't think it's more competitive, Like like, as someone who plays
• 33:29
  competitively, I feel like that doesn't that doesn't necessarily draw me to the set
• 33:38
  in a way that where people are afraid of power creep. I'm all for
• 33:44
  power creep. Creepier the better. But like I think his exact words on
• 33:50
  that one, where you're correct, he didn't feel like it was more competitive,
• 33:53
  but it was designed because the old design for all previous sets was get
• 33:59
  through your deck as fast as possible, where the design of Grim Reminders was
• 34:02
  to get haunted and stay haunted, and that was the set design. Now
• 34:10
  whether that ends up being more powerful or not, I don't know, we'll
• 34:15
  see. I mean, definitely the guys stares definitely feel feel strong. But
• 34:21
  I just feel like somebody in MM is going to like put out an auto
• 34:24
  encoder and have in furnaces in their deck and uh gig, it's possible.
• 34:31
  I don't know. There is a little bit of uh. I almost called
• 34:37
  it exile and Sheep was gonna get yell at me. Uh perge recursion in
• 34:40
  there a little bit, a little bit, not a ton, but a
• 34:43
  little bit. I maybe, I mean, some some of that stuff flips
• 34:51
  and archives you so fast it may not matter they have in furnace. That's
• 34:54
  true because there were times I was flipping my deck so quick, you know,
• 34:58
  before you know it, I'm boo wing to flip my duck to get
• 35:00
  back to cards. Average value of some of those pipped cards is so high
• 35:06
  that go ahead and urge it. I got more value than your one in
• 35:12
  furnace pip loss out of the card and it doesn't matter. Sure that that's
• 35:19
  that's maybe what happens. I don't know. Next question up was if you
• 35:23
  were given more people, and you were in the ability to hire more people,
• 35:29
  where would you Where would you put them? His answer was literally everywhere.
• 35:35
  But I think he finally settled on graphic design. So they like I
• 35:39
  think you said they're using vector imaging bitmapp to vector. I thought you guys
• 35:45
  said, yeah, yeah, they're all using imager. I don't know why.
• 35:52
  Uh, I'm pretty good at MS paint. I mean, I think
• 35:58
  the silver lining is the fact that he would put more resources towards graphic design.
• 36:02
  And I already actually really like the graphic design means that like, whatever
• 36:06
  they're currently doing is is good enough for me, and whatever struggles they're having
• 36:10
  behind the scenes are not showing. I think the struggle is that it's I
• 36:15
  mean, digital assets, especially new ones take a long time to do.
• 36:20
  They just do no matter what way you slice it. Sure, and you
• 36:25
  know, we've heard Josh talk about it, you know, working with such
• 36:29
  and such to get digital assets, so on and so forth. It's just
• 36:34
  digital assets and anything in graphic design is always a pain and it always takes
• 36:38
  forever. I don't know why. It's twenty twenty three. You think we'd
• 36:43
  be further along than we are, but we're not. And it's just it
• 36:45
  always takes forever. So I understood that, at least. I don't know
• 36:50
  why they went from bitmapping to vector as far as I understand it now,
• 36:54
  I'm not a graphic designer in any which way you can slice anything, I
• 36:59
  don't know much about it. But I always thought bitmap went faster than vector
• 37:04
  imaging, and we never had a problem before really with the images. So
• 37:09
  why go from bitmap to vector? Because as far as again, as far
• 37:13
  as I knew, vector would take longer than bitmap does, doesn't. Vector
• 37:19
  has something to do with it was more high fidelity. I think it probably
• 37:24
  print renders faster because I know I could only send vector to any of my
• 37:30
  print related places like you send him anything else and they're like, it's vector
• 37:36
  and Josh is saying something about scalability. Oh yeah, they did mentioned that
• 37:39
  on stage, where like if they wanted to make it bigger, it actually
• 37:43
  looked real bad. Yeah. Well if it's in bitmapping, so you have
• 37:47
  to That's why they had to change the map to vector to scale it.
• 37:51
  But okay again, I you're off control control, Photoshop take care of it
• 38:06
  for you. Rasterize the layer and you're done. All right, Digital Client.
• 38:10
  It will not be coming to a store near you. Maps are rasterized,
• 38:16
  thank you. TCO is still an avail is available to you and CTP
• 38:22
  loves them. Yeah. As far as free work, yeah, so there's
• 38:29
  aspiration, aspirations, but not a lot of ass going on, a lot
• 38:36
  of ass. Yeah, that was that was like straight up denied and I
• 38:38
  I liked that he specifically talked about TCO, Like didn't even because the way
• 38:45
  the question was asked, didn't mention it said digital Client, And then the
• 38:50
  way that the answer was said, like he straight up said the Crucible online.
• 38:52
  There was no hiding how much you appreciated that that exists. Just play
• 38:57
  on t c O. Yeah right. Uh. Their next question was out
• 39:01
  of the freaking drazz Corps. I give him a list of questions and leave
• 39:06
  it to him to go off the off the charts his next draz cors and
• 39:10
  I'm gonna blame this one on him. Is what Menagerie packets didn't make it
• 39:15
  to Fruishing somehow has to Raptor. Raptor made it, and did play rets
• 39:23
  make it? Yes, I didn't see any plays stupid exploiters and the anomaly
• 39:31
  exploitters precision exploiters. I also don't know who decided that shadows weapons was a
• 39:38
  good idea. Hey, that's a fun one. It is not because you're
• 39:45
  bad at this game. It's all artifacts, Sheep. It's all artifacts,
• 39:50
  all of it, timable artifacts to kill creatures effectively when you need it most.
• 39:54
  But but then you have no creatures to do. They think with Sheep.
• 40:00
  I like the key Frog one because it brings in, like at Maverickson,
• 40:05
  a ton of things that can kill key Frog on turn. But one
• 40:09
  of the packets that did not make it Jar Google. Don't know what would
• 40:14
  have been a jar Google package headache, that's what would have been. It
• 40:19
  would have been Sydney's allion stack. Yes, exactly the thing that ruled against
• 40:23
  me at Philadelphia because a judge call went a different way than what I thought
• 40:28
  it something to confuse new players. Totally confusing new players is the best,
• 40:32
  all right. There was something about new prizes, prizes or was that for
• 40:36
  the kids? No new prizes to reveal. That's something that surprised me.
• 40:39
  They had nothing new to reveal, even though what was asked is like along
• 40:45
  the lines of what you're going to send out, what's going to be available,
• 40:49
  and so basically we can expect to see what so far, we can
• 40:52
  expect to see what we've already seen, so nothing outside of what's been Those
• 40:59
  backpacks were pretty sweet. I enjoy the I know it's a stupid string backpack,
• 41:05
  but I was like, this is kind of cool. I enjoy this.
• 41:08
  How long I enjoy it for is another story, but I enjoyed it
• 41:12
  at least for the time being. I wouldn't have believed him if they said
• 41:16
  there was a chair. The chair that one guy who is like, yeah,
• 41:22
  I was supposed to get a chair, Uh yeah, give me a
• 41:24
  CDPs like just go across the way. It was literally across the street.
• 41:30
  I'm like, weird. I also did not is it a question asked later
• 41:36
  about the prize wall or was it during this question. I think it was
• 41:40
  during this question. Yes, I do think it was during this question because
• 41:44
  we we got the prize wall back. Josh did a good job of putting
• 41:50
  something together for people to spend their their tickets on that we got. Yeah,
• 41:53
  I thought it was pretty successful. I really loved it. It was
• 41:58
  actually something aspirational to do the whole time. Like literally, if you were
• 42:02
  one or two tickets short, you just went to play one or two more
• 42:06
  games to get those tickets, right or What was also really nice is people
• 42:09
  because it was physical and in our hand, unlike when people have like there
• 42:14
  are a couple of amber shards in the app short and they can't give it
• 42:17
  to someone else or or share it with someone else, and the old prize
• 42:21
  wall, like I was able to give Blake one of my tickets so that
• 42:23
  he could get a prize that he had been working towards the whole time.
• 42:27
  It was I really really liked it. Yeah, that was nice, So
• 42:35
  I'm not going to go through that one. It was basically a question on
• 42:39
  how how they determine what houses come in what houses leave, and it was
• 42:45
  basically synergies there will be four sets in a row with a new house geistoy
• 42:52
  geistoyable equedon, and then it's just that rate of oh hey, her,
• 43:08
  guys, we're just talking about how this is all your fault and your dumb
• 43:14
  question through jar Google. Oh yeah, that was a great question. That
• 43:20
  was a horrible question. I give you a list of questions and you're like,
• 43:22
  hey, well pack it didn't make it. Well hold on, and
• 43:24
  actually you didn't give me a list of questions. They were they were sent
• 43:28
  to you into the doc. Nope, nope, nope, nope, as
• 43:30
  he had to share them with me, and then you were like, that's
• 43:32
  not the right list. And so I'm like, well, this is the
• 43:35
  list I got. Yeah, I don't know what list sounds about as professional
• 43:38
  as you guys get hitting journalism. So so then I went and added some
• 43:45
  questions, some some from our lovely audience posting online, some genius questions that
• 43:51
  I came up with myself. He was a little sleep deprived, Yeah,
• 43:59
  all of it. There was there was some lagging of the jet. This
• 44:01
  is true. This is true. I definitely well by Sunday night, I
• 44:07
  was fine, but definitely on Friday I was. It was pretty out of
• 44:12
  it Sunday. I took a five hour nap in the car. Oh it
• 44:17
  was good five hours. But foiled cards. Another question was asked, they're
• 44:28
  gonna be foiled cards. We kind of went through it already. It'll be
• 44:30
  foiled decks if there are foiled decks. Something I am excited for is foiled
• 44:36
  decks. I really hope they don't cost me a million dollars, but if
• 44:40
  they do, maybe I do it. Maybe that was pretty cool that they
• 44:45
  said that that was a thing that they could do. Now. They didn't
• 44:49
  say they will do it, but they said they could to know they can
• 44:53
  do it. And then he's like, maybe that's something we offer when we
• 44:58
  do deck re when we do the deck and things, and I was like,
• 45:01
  yes please. I stood up in the back. I was like,
• 45:05
  oh, oils. I mean it's going to turn that forty nine ninety.
• 45:07
  Like, if you need to like reprint a deck, you want to give
• 45:10
  it a border or make it foil, and you need it translated, that's
• 45:14
  like a three hundred dollars transaction right there. Well, the translation would probably
• 45:17
  be the most expensive, would be my assumption. I would think, because
• 45:22
  if it's in the rules that they would be requiring of it. It might
• 45:24
  be the least, but it's the most expensive thing to do. I'm gonna
• 45:31
  ask for mine to be translated into pig Latin. Fantastic. I'm sure there
• 45:37
  won't. I'm one hundred percent sure there won't be a drop down and they're
• 45:40
  going to allow you to just type in what would you want it? Come
• 45:44
  on, come on, I'm gonna I'm gonna ping sky Jedi. I'd be
• 45:46
  like, dude, that's what we need. Check this out. Think about
• 45:51
  it. Some of those cards with texts that like are like a block of
• 45:55
  texts. You got to get the language that's the longest possible language. Mmmm.
• 46:02
  Yeah, that definitely won't be a pain in the asset Vault tours,
• 46:07
  not one bit. All right, Future of the Master Vault. Uh,
• 46:12
  small fixes and then normal upkeep. I don't really understand what the question was.
• 46:16
  When they were saying what was the somebody asked what else they were going
• 46:20
  to do with it? Like what they're working on? What we should look
• 46:22
  forward to, and uh, basically like what what how they how they plan
• 46:28
  on like expanding in the future. And he said, like, right now,
• 46:31
  we're just we're we're fixing small bugs and we're doing normal upkeep, and
• 46:36
  so we're making it so that it was not as like so behind the scenes
• 46:40
  stuff like they're focused right now is behind the scenes normal features, Yeah,
• 46:45
  upkeep. I don't really know what we were hoping for more out of the
• 46:47
  Master Vault, anybody got me there? My thought with what that question search
• 47:00
  quality, search like deck management features right, like, But but honestly,
• 47:06
  d OK does so much right now that I don't know that they're incentivized to
• 47:12
  go and do a huge amount. I think one thing that they also mentioned
• 47:17
  this in the keynote earlier, but part of what used to be available to
• 47:22
  us in the app was like events, like we used to be able to
• 47:27
  find yeah played, Yeah, I don't know one of the I used to
• 47:35
  one of the things that they've been hinting about, right like, yeah,
• 47:38
  Josh had previously hinted about that. Now that question wasn't directly answer asked in
• 47:45
  the Q and A. There wasn't a question about will there be an app
• 47:49
  again? Yeah, And the answer was basically no, like right, because
• 47:54
  that's fine. Yeah, there's a lot of duplicate development or you have to
• 48:00
  use one of the programs that you know, generate a crappy version of multiple
• 48:04
  things right, which which can work. But so I think it totally makes
• 48:08
  sense to say, hey, we're a small company, just just do web
• 48:14
  even even if it's not if it's not perfect, to do that. Ah,
• 48:22
  this one confused me. I was actually talking to Jason about this one.
• 48:24
  I was like, what is this? What does this mean? Somebody
• 48:28
  asked a question about procedurally generated multi color backs so the back of your art
• 48:34
  con card. I was so confused. Like when it was asked, I
• 48:38
  was like, are you looking for like being able to pick three colors that
• 48:43
  are mixed? Are you looking for a rainbow? Are you looking for like?
• 48:45
  I I was absolutely I was. I just when that was asked,
• 48:50
  I look at Jason was what does that mean? He's like, I don't
• 48:52
  know. Isn't it already it's already procedurally generated? Like what what is the
• 48:58
  what? What was more? What more do you want more than one color?
• 49:04
  Just color? A great I thought it was hilarious that almost every single
• 49:09
  member of the like everybody, every single person sitting on stage, had to
• 49:13
  answer this question, and that like CTP was just like yeah, sure,
• 49:17
  yeah, and you saw everyone else you saw four disgusts in one go.
• 49:25
  I guess we could do that everyone else just but no, I guess there's
• 49:31
  seven possible colors. I never cared enough to add them up, but I
• 49:37
  guess there's seven possible colors right now. You don't see the back of your
• 49:42
  cards anyways, like ever, especially not in high level play, anything other
• 49:49
  than you know, ridiculously easy. The value I don't think is there,
• 49:55
  you know, across the game to do that. You know, obviously this
• 50:00
  one person thought it was cool enough to ask the question, But hey,
• 50:05
  if they're prioritizing things, I doubt this. You want to know, what
• 50:08
  if you gave me cards with no arts on them and the backs were just
• 50:13
  white, I'd go all to one. No, that's lame, That's it's
• 50:19
  just you don't do you really look at the back of your cards ever and
• 50:22
  be like, oh, that's cool, like maybe once, Hey, if
• 50:25
  they made pink ones, I would go for pink ones. That's fine.
• 50:29
  Let's just put the key Forge logo on the back of Call of to Day.
• 50:30
  Everything has the same back. No, now, why, Wookie,
• 50:37
  I'll go fire you? Why why? This is one of the coolest things
• 50:42
  already doing something cool and do you want to take it away. I notice,
• 50:46
  outside of actual competitive bags, I don't sleep a damn thing because it's
• 50:51
  fun having like those banounerie decks look cool. It's because it's fun watching people
• 50:57
  cringe as they look at you. Like to like shuffle and and nicking sides.
• 51:02
  And I'll tell you what, just rush shuffling stuff and people being like,
• 51:07
  oh, I don't know. The back of the car doesn't mean as
• 51:13
  much to me as I guess it does to you guys, So we'll keep
• 51:15
  We'll keep the backs for now. I suppose here's the market there don't mean
• 51:21
  much to you either. Huh. The front of the cars don't mean much
• 51:23
  to you either. No, they just need to be good. Stop giving
• 51:27
  me all the crappy ones. I do like pester Grove is your fault,
• 51:37
  Yeah, problem, listen to you. I like cards that make my opponent's
• 51:44
  life bad. That's why the curses are here. Oh man, there's pester
• 51:47
  Grove. Pack and Menagerie is no but pester Grove. I believe in grim
• 51:52
  reminders. Is it really along with dark Heart of the Forest? No,
• 51:59
  which does what Heart of the fort? It's a worse heart of the forest.
• 52:00
  It does what heart of the Forest does, but only when you're haunted.
• 52:05
  Uh So there's that all right. So mister Ewok finally came up and
• 52:10
  asked his marketing question. I was actually surprised this wasn't his first question,
• 52:15
  but basically asking what is the strategies going to be going forward in marketing?
• 52:24
  This is the one answer I felt like it wasn't an acceptable answer. This
• 52:29
  is the one area where I felt like this type of marketing doesn't work.
• 52:34
  So it was very it's targeted marketing on things like Facebook, going to Gamma
• 52:40
  and gen Con, trying to get more lapsed players and getting into the game.
• 52:50
  Because when he was talking about it during the keynote earlier, like the
• 52:52
  what what CTP said when he was giving his presentation had to do a lot
• 52:58
  with wanting to become reliable so that people actually start trusting them. So after
• 53:01
  a year of having sets come out on a regular schedule, actually having and
• 53:07
  running events, having this World's event, having over a year of a history,
• 53:12
  like a lot of things, like literally a lot of things in life,
• 53:15
  take into account how long you've been running something. Well, and I
• 53:19
  drink the kool aid when he said that, because that actually makes so much
• 53:21
  sense to me that that's something they can present to whatever or whoever they're trying
• 53:25
  to present a backstory to about why you should carry or buy or play Key
• 53:31
  Ford. And I think the problem there is that's that's all fine and dandy,
• 53:36
  but you're not distributing your product, yeah, a distributing your product outside
• 53:44
  of the game, if they bother. Right, So, so I think
• 53:47
  part of what Sydney's getting at, which I think is interesting. And so
• 53:52
  if I if I put on my you know, business or corporate whatever had
• 53:55
  for a moment, so Citi's referring to some thing that actually was kind of
• 54:01
  an answer to the question, whereas unfortunately, Jeremy, you you said a
• 54:07
  bunch of things, but that didn't really answer the question. You named a
• 54:10
  bunch of activities as opposed to talk to the strategy. Right, those activities
• 54:15
  may well be good, hopefully, but but I do think e Walk was
• 54:21
  in particular poking at strategy because it's a question of, okay, what are
• 54:25
  the principles, what are the the main tenets of the things you're going to
• 54:30
  try to follow, and then you're gonna the various individual actions, right,
• 54:34
  can can change over time based on what you learn based on what does or
• 54:37
  doesn't work. Now, I want to say one thing because Jeremy Ewok did
• 54:44
  not use the word strategy, and I know he did not, and that
• 54:49
  was the one thing where I kind of wanted to poke him, and I
• 54:52
  wasn't close enough to do it. What it be, like, Hey,
• 54:54
  you need to talk about what is their strategy? Well? What did he
• 54:58
  say? Because I definitely felt like the answer was so so as it was
• 55:02
  coming out right, because for his question, it was still a so so
• 55:07
  answer right because it was like, how are you going? How are you
• 55:12
  going to market you know, the game being back and get it into retail
• 55:16
  stores and get you know, get the hype back up, so on and
• 55:21
  so forth. But he never actually used the word strategy, and I'm like,
• 55:25
  you need to add because that's an important thought. I thought he did,
• 55:29
  or maybe maybe I was just reading what we have in our notes,
• 55:31
  which seems the word strategy, so I thought he said it. Maybe that's
• 55:35
  possible because that word with him in the car ride of like you need and
• 55:39
  I told him specifically and maybe he did, but I remember him not using
• 55:45
  it. I was like, you have to use the word strategy because otherwise
• 55:49
  we have nine members in our audience. Everybody tell us, did e wok
• 55:52
  say strategy? You're not. We'll find out, but go ahead and keep
• 55:59
  going. But but AnyWho, So, so I think I think sid he's
• 56:01
  getting at part of it there there, What is the strategy? I think
• 56:04
  part one is what you just said, right, It's it's the uh trying
• 56:10
  to build that confidence, try to build that track record. Right. So
• 56:16
  that's strategy is saying, hey, that you can trust this now now you
• 56:21
  know, let's get away from Hey, have they accomplished this so far or
• 56:24
  not? But AnyWho, that could be part of their strategy. And that
• 56:28
  makes some sense, I think, And and it is a little tricky,
• 56:30
  right because like, honestly, what was underneath I think a bit of what
• 56:37
  Jeremy was saying was that part of their strategy is to not spend that much
• 56:43
  money on marketing, right, and that that was okay. So so so
• 56:51
  now maybe you feel like, hey, I shouldn't use those words in front
• 56:52
  of these groups of folks. And and i'd have, I guess if I
• 56:59
  would had, if I of a Burgig, I'd have to think about it
• 57:00
  if I actually wanted to say it that way. But but it's probably a
• 57:05
  correct strategy for them, right, because you can burn a lot of money
• 57:09
  on marketing. You've got to really figure out what what would work first.
• 57:15
  Right now, we've given a lot of suggestions on the show of some other
• 57:20
  ways they might be able, some avenues they might be able to go after.
• 57:22
  I haven't really looked up how much these might actually cost, right.
• 57:25
  We don't know how much William Defoe wants, but yeah, or what the
• 57:35
  pe hub charges these days, we don't know, right, But but you
• 57:37
  know, these are some interesting suggestions, right, Uh, you know,
• 57:40
  half joke, half you're not following a well no, you know in terms
• 57:45
  of uh, in terms of hey, where where is your audience at or
• 57:50
  where's your potential audience and what are they doing? Right? She? I
• 57:52
  think you mentioned the you know, the di y home improvement YouTube stuff,
• 57:59
  right, like that actually might be the perfect place, right. I don't
• 58:01
  know how much that costs truly, but hey, you could maybe try in
• 58:06
  small amounts and see if that works. So you could through some of these
• 58:09
  other mechanisms still hold to that strategy of hey, I don't want to spend
• 58:14
  that much money here, so I don't know, like they're there, uh,
• 58:20
  would have been like, every time we talked to them, there's no
• 58:22
  budget for it, Well, it's not where right, and and there's no
• 58:28
  but there's no budget for OP. There's no budget for marketing. Well,
• 58:31
  the budget is they hired a marketing guy, and they hired an OP guy,
• 58:39
  and now they have to eat. They have to live somewhere, and
• 58:44
  uh, you know, they broke out of the cages that CTP had to
• 58:47
  been in the in the in the offices, and so they actually have to
• 58:51
  have to live somewhere, right, So the uh so, I mean humans
• 59:00
  not cheap to employ. So so you know, their revenue is, you
• 59:06
  know, not yet what they dream of it being. So they do have
• 59:08
  to be a little cautious. But I would have liked to have heard it,
• 59:14
  heard them say here's the high level things we're trying to do, and
• 59:17
  then hey, here's some examples where you know, hey, some of those
• 59:22
  things Jeremy mentioned could be examples of those things. I think that would have
• 59:25
  that would have driven a lot more confidence for me, as opposed to what
• 59:30
  I took away was more of like, well, we're trying lots of cheap
• 59:34
  things that probably won't work, right, That's what I heard I don't know.
• 59:38
  I wasn't expressly stated that way, but like, yeah, going to
• 59:45
  I don't know how much traffic and revenue. It felt like a summary to
• 59:52
  me, because if you think about it, he said, going to Gamma
• 59:54
  to talk to retailers, retailers, check doing Facebook page for retailers, and
• 1:00:01
  then continuing to reach out to new LAPS players. And then I was talking.
• 1:00:06
  One of them was about distributors. Meant, oh, Gamma maybe also
• 1:00:09
  they mentioned distributors. They were checking off a list of all the different people
• 1:00:14
  or the categories of people that it's important to get the word out about Keythforge
• 1:00:19
  two. So that was it was more like a checklist than anything else.
• 1:00:22
  And again use that word lapse player. I think it's like, Okay,
• 1:00:27
  we've moved on. Get some fresh blood in here, like their laps their
• 1:00:31
  laps for a reason, they're not checking their email from Ghost Galaxy, right
• 1:00:36
  Like, we need to get some fresh blood in here. So you need
• 1:00:38
  to get people excited to move forward and get new people into this game moving
• 1:00:44
  forward, as opposed to continuing to try to cater to a group that has
• 1:00:50
  left your game once already. What they're secretly meaning by LAPS player isn't the
• 1:00:53
  person who independently came to a game store and will now start coming to a
• 1:00:58
  game store again. Lapsed player is the person who is the best friend of
• 1:01:01
  the person who still plays and doesn't play anymore. And if they can get
• 1:01:06
  that person to come back, then they have a person that they know that's
• 1:01:09
  already playing. And it's just a short hop, skip and a jump and
• 1:01:13
  not like a leap across a pond. So lapsed player is definitely a I
• 1:01:19
  think they're trying to reach the easier to get LAPS players and not necessarily dive
• 1:01:22
  deep into the people that have way given up on the I want to know
• 1:01:25
  this list the lapsed players is? Is there a list somewhere I can get?
• 1:01:30
  Well, they should have it, right, they have the master vault,
• 1:01:31
  right, I can list you some podcasts that no longer exist. So
• 1:01:38
  I think what they should do is right. Jeremy's their marketing guy, right,
• 1:01:44
  so he is their marketing budget. He should just you know, dress
• 1:01:49
  in black, sneak into game stores, open the Larkana decks, dove shove
• 1:01:55
  a KeyForge deck inside, and then use the patented r cons corners resealing glue
• 1:02:04
  there's no budget for there's no budget. Clue. I think you missed that
• 1:02:08
  there's no budget for the resealing glue. So we'll we've got palettes, so
• 1:02:14
  we'll we'll giveunt yep, yep. It's so profitable for the l c Q,
• 1:02:20
  right, mm hmmm, hmmm, ye oh yeah. I pulled no
• 1:02:28
  fire, no one, and then so that was the Then we went into
• 1:02:35
  uh keys being required for new players, which I don't I don't know if
• 1:02:40
  this was a international player that asked the question, yes, and I don't
• 1:02:45
  think they understood quite what they meant, like there's no for everything like vault
• 1:02:51
  to our nationals and lower there's no key requirement. I think premiers are the
• 1:02:55
  or the premiere above, right. Yeah, So I don't know if that
• 1:03:02
  was quite understood or if that even what was the question was. But I
• 1:03:08
  do think there was a bigger portion. And we're running out of time here
• 1:03:12
  because people got to go. But there was a good not so much question
• 1:03:19
  but statement on the I liked it. I like the head. I thought
• 1:03:25
  it was very good. I don't know the player that said it, so
• 1:03:29
  if any of you do, let me know. But basically, the fact
• 1:03:32
  of hidden brackets two l os. The worst thing you can do to a
• 1:03:39
  new player that comes to a major event is tell them after two losses they're
• 1:03:45
  no longer able to play hidden brackets. Things are getting broken, and just
• 1:03:52
  ultimately a system that doesn't work for this game. Now they might iron out
• 1:03:57
  a few more things, but ultimately a system that just doesn't end up working.
• 1:04:01
  Can I like shut that down? Because if you are a local store
• 1:04:06
  and on your regular weekly events you have some new players, don't do too
• 1:04:12
  low like play what we do at our store, Like we pick our opponent
• 1:04:17
  we haven't played yet. We like we aren't in any system to currently play
• 1:04:21
  with our six people like I I just they even said earlier in the in
• 1:04:26
  the questions that you don't need too low for but I think more of it
• 1:04:30
  was focused on on the higher end event, right because if I'm a new
• 1:04:34
  player, I mean, let's be honest, we've all been in that position
• 1:04:38
  where we're like, we're good at this game, and then we go to
• 1:04:41
  our we go we go to a we spend a lot of money to go
• 1:04:45
  to a high level event, a permire event. Right we get Rockel stomped.
• 1:04:50
  And right now, with the current system, you two losses, you're
• 1:04:55
  done, you're hitting the bricks, right. So if that were exists,
• 1:05:01
  this does exist a big of a problem. It's only a problem because people
• 1:05:08
  are making it a problem. I think it is a problem. It's just
• 1:05:12
  you just go I'm playing Second Amber now, and they go, okay,
• 1:05:15
  go play right there. I think it would be nice for them to get
• 1:05:19
  Second Amber finally built into play style, so you just find your match just
• 1:05:26
  like you do for every other game, and then you almost wouldn't even know
• 1:05:29
  you weren't in the main event because you're still playing the same people there with
• 1:05:31
  the same decks they brought yep, and it just doesn't matter to that main
• 1:05:36
  tournament. That would make it better, because then you just get moved from
• 1:05:41
  one bracket to the other. You're still paired with a person. You're still
• 1:05:44
  playing, yeah yeah, still playing on the same time slot. So you
• 1:05:46
  go to break at the same time and time is called and your game ends,
• 1:05:50
  and you're not like sitting there going like games are going on for like
• 1:05:54
  seventy five minutes and nobody's gonna end it for us, right right. I
• 1:05:59
  think the uh, you know, the Princess is not perfect. I think
• 1:06:04
  the suggestions that you guys just made those I think those are good suggestions.
• 1:06:08
  I I don't know. I did think it was interesting, right. I
• 1:06:12
  thought the the it was a little over the top. I thought that sort
• 1:06:16
  of the emphasis who's placing now? Now? You know, I do think
• 1:06:21
  they need to sit down and take a good, long, hard look at
• 1:06:25
  too LO. Right. It did what it needed to do for this season,
• 1:06:29
  but it could be done better. They need to fix too L and
• 1:06:33
  buys. Mm hmm. Well yeah, I think they promised they gave those
• 1:06:40
  buys out when they thought they were doing double elimination, right, So uh
• 1:06:45
  yeah, it is very different byes in that giant double elimination bracket works out
• 1:06:51
  way way different than destroying it to l O bracket. Right, So I'll
• 1:06:59
  give them a pass or you know, a mulligan on that because two l
• 1:07:01
  O is better than than This is really the Thursday show where we fire up
• 1:07:06
  on this. We got to finish talking about what they talked about. Yeah,
• 1:07:10
  now I will say the one that's the questions. Yeah, Well,
• 1:07:13
  the one final thing I'll say about this I thought was super interesting was right,
• 1:07:17
  so gg right didn't answer and like nobody had to say or do anything
• 1:07:24
  like everybody knew what to do, like hand the mic to the next person,
• 1:07:29
  pretend like the question wasn't even asked. Nobody blanked on stage, keep
• 1:07:32
  going right. That was interesting, right, means they all talked about this,
• 1:07:38
  like, hey, if we get a question like this about this,
• 1:07:43
  ignore did I hear they like he like covered the mic on Josh right there.
• 1:07:47
  Yeah, there was a question that was about OPE or vault tours and
• 1:07:53
  that, and like he like every the ruberupted and laughter when like he put
• 1:07:57
  his hand on the phone and started whispering it to jos his ear because Mike
• 1:08:00
  was handed to Josh. That was oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that
• 1:08:02
  was That was a show. I think that was a show because he watched
• 1:08:06
  quest. He's wearing the A C shirt, right. I thought that was
• 1:08:12
  more of like, hey, we know who this is. We're gonna play
• 1:08:14
  but he's a nice one. Yeah, I mean, that's why we put
• 1:08:16
  him on. Is not but that's why we the My read of that situation
• 1:08:29
  was that, you know, Josh was told not not to say certain things,
• 1:08:35
  so he looks at d TP like can I say something? And then
• 1:08:40
  CDB sort of whispers in his ear, no, yeah, yeah, you
• 1:08:46
  can't talk about X y Z. If you want to say something about ABC,
• 1:08:49
  go ahead that that was sort of my read and then just decided,
• 1:08:54
  now ABC has nothing to do with the question, So yeah, not really
• 1:08:58
  going to go there that. I don't know, right, but uh,
• 1:09:03
  that was my read. Yeah, fig it only has three bufuddles, so
• 1:09:08
  he's not a monster. Yeah, he's just a demon. I mean maybe
• 1:09:12
  maybe maybe he cycled. I don't know, And I guess it's possible not
• 1:09:17
  you walk style to make it all the way through a deck, but you
• 1:09:20
  know, in minutes, no, sir. I thought it was kind of
• 1:09:28
  like a four show, and I think that's why everybody laughed, because everybody
• 1:09:31
  knew who was up there asking the question. Yes, yeah, and then
• 1:09:34
  it was I thought it was kind of like a little show play around,
• 1:09:39
  you know thing, because it was also like the mic was confidently handed over
• 1:09:44
  to Josh, so like, I'm pretty sure everyone on that stage knew he
• 1:09:46
  could handle the question, and that's why it was funny that Christian did what
• 1:09:50
  he did. Yeah, So I don't know, maybe there was something more
• 1:09:56
  malicious there. I really didn't get that vibe. But my purse, what
• 1:10:01
  is it that my person meter? Whatever is not as broken. Sometimes you're
• 1:10:12
  talking about empathy. That's that is also something I lacked. But my you
• 1:10:15
  know what do you call that my person's trust meter? I don't know.
• 1:10:19
  I'm I'm I'm still tired. I have not slept well. I got I
• 1:10:24
  got an all time low TRUSTO meter going on these days. That's a Thursday
• 1:10:30
  show thing. But that was all for our questions that that went through.
• 1:10:35
  Did we miss anything anybody? I want to know if there's anything like,
• 1:10:40
  if is there anything you guys are super super surprised wasn't asked or anything you
• 1:10:44
  wanted to get to because there were a couple of things. I was surprised
• 1:10:46
  nobody asked why the flump. I I really wanted to know why they picked
• 1:10:50
  flump instead of you know anything else. I think we already we say it's
• 1:10:58
  because they already at it in like had already been designed FFG had already designed
• 1:11:03
  it. It just came in the pile of things with it. They called
• 1:11:06
  the company that was you know off they had like the cuts ready right,
• 1:11:13
  and they're like how much and they're like this much and they're like okay,
• 1:11:16
  let's do it, yeap. Very MINIMALI was already paid for. That's right,
• 1:11:23
  So not mentioned pluses as part of their marketing strategy, so probably not
• 1:11:30
  investing that much time there, start putting them in claw machines. Well,
• 1:11:33
  what are we getting at if they're not doing any new prizes are we?
• 1:11:36
  Are we just going to stick in this FFG prize vault where we're going to
• 1:11:41
  get the same four deck boxes and the same three mats we've been getting for
• 1:11:45
  two years. Well, my question is because the deck boxes in the mat
• 1:11:48
  you got for Menagerie, Like, how many brand championships did FFG think they
• 1:11:56
  were going to run? Good for them? For thinking a lot like they
• 1:12:01
  thought they're like, man, grand championships are gonna be everywhere, and there's
• 1:12:05
  gonna be a lot of them because they were all date stamped. They all
• 1:12:08
  said twenty nineteen on them. Well you gotn't think those They actually ordered quantities
• 1:12:15
  of op based off of CODA sales, which were very very very good,
• 1:12:24
  and then nothing really ran until AOA and that was not very very very good
• 1:12:30
  anymore. Right, I mean people were going for those things on the prize
• 1:12:34
  wall that like I have five copies of people were spending their tickets to get
• 1:12:40
  those things. I was literally like, I'm like, I don't care about
• 1:12:43
  this ticket. You may have it like win loser draw, It does not
• 1:12:46
  matter to me. There's nothing on that wall that I don't already own except
• 1:12:53
  for a unchained pin and it walks like I have like fifteen of them.
• 1:12:58
  You can have one, okay, so like three whatever? He said,
• 1:13:02
  I could have one. It's it's fine. The only other thing that might
• 1:13:06
  have tickled tickled my pickle was the Vault Master the leaves. What oh DT
• 1:13:15
  decks? There were DT decks? Yeah, they had you guys are blind?
• 1:13:20
  How many tickets were the DT decks? I didn't even ask, well,
• 1:13:25
  did you guys like outlive the apocalypse? There's gonna be like like cockroaches
• 1:13:30
  and DT decks left on the planet when the world goes to crap and as
• 1:13:33
  there'll always be a decks are everywhere al d T I should buy more?
• 1:13:42
  Alway, maybe I shouldn't. We did. We did have a question in
• 1:13:46
  here about sealed being an option in twenty twenty four. We didn't get to
• 1:13:50
  ask. We also wanted to ask about the vault. Oh no, that
• 1:13:54
  was asked. It was it. Yeah, that was definitely asked, and
• 1:13:58
  they said we'll think about out it. It was part of the can't say,
• 1:14:02
  won't Oh yeah, I don't remember him asking it, but we didn't
• 1:14:06
  want I mean that was an outsourcing of the Vault Tours. If that was
• 1:14:11
  something they were looking into. Oh, that that is an interesting stat.
• 1:14:15
  Josh just put there that they actually went through quite a few DT but nobody
• 1:14:20
  took an on chain deck interesting because they could get anajerie they were, although
• 1:14:28
  I did see on Chained getting played for the weekend. I saw on chain
• 1:14:31
  decks playing interesting cockroach black and white ones. Yeah, two cockroaches in the
• 1:14:38
  corner an adaptive with it? Can we just forget adaptive was ever a thing
• 1:14:46
  and never bring it up again? No, Like it's my favorite. People
• 1:14:53
  like, it's one of my favorite things to pick on. Well, I
• 1:14:57
  am so tired of hearing about adaptive, like, oh, it's the most
• 1:15:00
  way you should be playing it. Adaptive is going to live as long as
• 1:15:06
  so and saying some people love adaptive. Yes, there are about seven of
• 1:15:12
  them, the same number that actually play legacy in there was a whole league
• 1:15:17
  that does. Yeah, and there's seven of them. Now there's actually like
• 1:15:21
  Cogi or something. Yeople like it. If we were supposed to play the
• 1:15:29
  game as Garfield intended, unbanned library access, redro bate and switch. Let's
• 1:15:35
  make let's go back to when I could lock you out of the game with
• 1:15:42
  a rusty and a uh control the week. Let's do that. That's unchained.
• 1:15:50
  Well, no, it can't be. Because of the way the cards
• 1:15:53
  are written now and the rules are written. You could you can't do that.
• 1:15:57
  Yeah, but those not legal anyway, right, so it's nothing.
• 1:16:00
  I mean, yeah, if I want to play at my kitchen table any
• 1:16:02
  way I want. I just flipped three keys like that one guy did to
• 1:16:04
  me, and tc O just did black slash, Forge backslash, porge backslash,
• 1:16:09
  and I just you know, was that was it? E walk on
• 1:16:15
  a secondary account? No, this is this is some time ago where like
• 1:16:19
  the guy was like bitching at me because I was playing too slow, and
• 1:16:21
  I'm like, really bro, like I am it was, I'm playing as
• 1:16:30
  slow walk and slow walk they're both show up. Sometimes we're actually the same
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  person. Just to too had two sides of the same coin. He's the
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  happy one and I'm just always angry. That's all it is. But uh,
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  Jep's got enough piss and vinegar for the both of us, uh,
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  these past few days. So there was nerve that was asked. We also
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  Z did want to and he never did. I don't know why we wanted
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  to know what is the next game next, non KeyForge, non mind Bug
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  game they will be producing? Ah who cares well? Having an answer would
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  have been would have told us a lot. Like if they had had an
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  answer, I think if they if they were like, oh, it's going
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  to be this game, like ah, that makes sense, like if they
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  compiently had something else that was going to be taking off their printers right,
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  which they have one of by the way. But like I told him,
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  I'm like, you're not going to get an answer. It's a waste of
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  a question. They're not going to be able to tell you what else they're
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  producing for some other You don't think they'd be proud of it. You don't
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  think they would want you to go buy it right there in the games center
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  there if they're the producer of it. Yes, But I think because like
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  mind Bugs not a GG game, correct, that's another company that they just
• 1:17:58
  produced the product. They have a distribution agreement on that one, right,
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  which means they are producing it, marketing it and selling it in the States.
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  I believe that's what the deal with that one is. It is not
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  just a thing. They are also a contract printer, not gg Artiforge,
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  right, and maybe to some extent forge Fire is doing work too, But
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  Artiforge is a contract printer for other companies where you will not know what they're
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  doing because they run a print run and they ship it to them and they
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  repack it, or they do if they're doing final packs, or they might
• 1:18:34
  be printing like in board games. They might be doing prints of decks of
• 1:18:40
  cards that then go to the next place and they all get boxed together with
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  a board game. Like. They can do that kind of stuff there too,
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  right, So Artiforge is definitely probably printing stuff that has nothing to do
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  with Ghost Galaxy, correct. I think, well, we don't make sense,
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  Like what do you do between sets? I mean saw your printer is
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  maybe you're just still printing the set. I don't know, man, unless
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  that that that footage was sped up like it seems to be at a pretty
• 1:19:11
  good pace. I do, uh, you know they showed all those reminders
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  boxes. I should wonder if you know, because they did, right,
• 1:19:25
  they didn't to city point, they didn't say it the strategy section, but
• 1:19:29
  they sort of set their strategy it a separate part of the presentation for marketing,
• 1:19:33
  Like do you think they're maybe going to try to get these things out
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  there to backers like ultra fast, like as soon as the thing closes,
• 1:19:44
  start shipping. It's possible, it's it is possible. I think stuff starts
• 1:19:49
  shipping right after the holiday. That could be. They also need to collect
• 1:19:54
  so much information. Well, the GM starting two days from now, we
• 1:20:00
  got to put it in right right, it's like real soon. Oh yeah,
• 1:20:02
  so I mean maybe you get it by January. Who knows. I
• 1:20:06
  don't. I'm not in charge of We don't. And it will take a
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  bit because they're going to ship international first, which is which I think is
• 1:20:15
  a wise move on their part. Well, yeah, the pledge Manager closes
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  on the twenty seventh of November, so yeah, it's like two a week,
• 1:20:21
  two weeks that's right after thanks Is that right after? Well it is
• 1:20:27
  after Thanksgiving, but well you know it's that Monday and you're at the Thanksgiving
• 1:20:30
  table. You can say for hurting your the pledge manager. Now when you
• 1:20:36
  get bored because your family's fighting and I'm on my phone and I have to
• 1:20:40
  Oh yeah, that's right, I have to fill out my pledge manager.
• 1:20:43
  I could do it on my phone while my families are Who does then I
• 1:20:45
  take them out? I would think you would just joined in. You're in
• 1:20:50
  my house. We thought you were the one problems. Yeah, I haven't
• 1:20:55
  talk to my mother in law in three years. Oh well lovely, great
• 1:21:00
  way, great way to you know, recap this? Yeah? Why not?
• 1:21:03
  So you don't like someone just want to talk to them. But anyway,
• 1:21:09
  that's gonna do it for us. I want to get this out to
• 1:21:11
  you guys, just so you guys, because I know it's hard to understand.
• 1:21:14
  They also were having a bucket of mic issues, like from beginning to
• 1:21:20
  end. I don't know what's wrong with their microphones, Like maybe it's time
• 1:21:24
  for new ones, but mm hmm, no budget for that, so it
• 1:21:30
  comes out of the marketing budget. Became out of the marketing budgets. So
• 1:21:32
  we'll just have to keep using the because they had the same problems last year
• 1:21:35
  too, by the way, Yeah, damn microphone. And it's like I
• 1:21:39
  new microphones that one's clearly not working. But that's gonna do it for us.
• 1:21:44
  This week, we'll see all on Thursday. Oh bye, I have
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  to forge and everyone time give me your kisses. I want you Monday,
• 1:21:58
  Tuesday, Wednesday, Baby about marrying and it goes like yes, and you
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  see you are a Piking a line here and it goes like say what all
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  of the time