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Credlin | 1 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kramber live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: I'm Jamie Rogers filling in for Peter Kredlin coming up tonight.
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Speaker 3: Builders are sounding the alarm over a collapse in pipeline
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Speaker 3: work coming through as house prices plummet nationwide. China's top
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Speaker 3: diplomat in Australia has attacked Azio overclaims Beijing conducts foreign
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Speaker 3: interference eyes in the sky to keep swimmers safe, as
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Speaker 3: New South Wales launches the world's biggest drone shark surveillance program,
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Speaker 3: and the opposition takes aim at the government's July one
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Speaker 3: tax cuts instead calling for lasting cost of relief under labor.
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Speaker 4: The price of everything is going up, Prime Minister, How
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Speaker 4: are Australians supposed to get ahead when labor keeps making
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Speaker 4: them pay more?
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Speaker 3: But first, Australians are being asked to pay for one
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Speaker 3: of the biggest climate summits on the planet, hundreds of officials,
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Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars, And today Energy Minister
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen says he isn't expecting any massive breakthroughs at
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Speaker 3: COP thirty one and this isn't just a small operation.
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen has assembled more than one hundred bureaucrats to
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Speaker 3: support his cop presidency. This department spent almost half a
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Speaker 3: million dollars in just four months sending officials overseas. Plus
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Speaker 3: budget estimates show taxpayers will pay almost one hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty million dollars for mister Bowen's COP role and related activities.
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Speaker 2: Now Chris Bowen thinks this is money well spent.
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Speaker 3: So do you think it's appropriate for public servants to
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Speaker 3: be flying business class on a three our flight from.
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Speaker 5: Look, there's always a value there's always a value for
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Speaker 5: money assessment given to every travel you know, whether they
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Speaker 5: should go, whether it can be done virtually, etc.
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Speaker 3: And this is a significant investment, especially for something that's
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Speaker 3: not even on our shores. It's set to be hosted
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Speaker 3: in Turkey. So it's not unreasonable for Australians to ask
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Speaker 3: what exactly are we getting in return. One of the
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Speaker 3: biggest problems with this government it never sets performance measures
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Speaker 3: for Australians to see, no benchmark for success, no requirement
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Speaker 3: to show taxpayers what they got for their money before
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Speaker 3: asking them to pay. Even more, imagine running a business
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Speaker 3: like that, telling your shareholders. You're spending millions, but don't
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Speaker 3: expect any major breakthroughs. You wouldn't last five minutes get
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Speaker 3: in government. The money just keeps flowing, The overseas trips continue,
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Speaker 3: the bureaucracies keep growing, and taxpayers are simply expected to
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Speaker 3: keep paying the bill. Australians expect accountability. If governments want
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Speaker 3: to spend down money, they should be able to say
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Speaker 3: what we got in return. Then there's another contradiction. Chris
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Speaker 3: Bowen says the world is moving away from fossil fuels.
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Speaker 3: He says there's a growing momentum for electrification, but in
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Speaker 3: the very same interview he admits Australia won't be pushing
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Speaker 3: any agreement to wind back coal or gas exports because.
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Speaker 2: It's not on the agenda.
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Speaker 3: So if coal is good enough to export, why isn't reliable,
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Speaker 3: affordable energy good enough for Australians. Chief economists at the
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Speaker 3: IPA Adam Crichton highlighted the impact of net zero on
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Speaker 3: our energy costs, saying Australia has previously benefited from some
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Speaker 3: of the lowest consumer electricity prices in the industrialized world,
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Speaker 3: but it now has some of the highest thanks to
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Speaker 3: net zero. Chris Bowen's argument is that renewables will deliver
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Speaker 3: Australia energy sovereignty.
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Speaker 5: With fifty one percent of our electricity now coming from renewables,
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Speaker 5: which is a sovereign source of energy for Australia, no
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Speaker 5: international crisis can impact on the sun, all the wind,
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Speaker 5: and the fact that we now have more renewables in
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Speaker 5: our grid means our system is more secure as well
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Speaker 5: as being cheaper to run.
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Speaker 3: But is it more secure because one lesson from the
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Speaker 3: Strait of Hormuz crisis is the danger of relying on
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Speaker 3: other countries for something as fundamental as energy.
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Speaker 2: Yet that's exactly what we're.
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Speaker 3: Still doing, only this time we're swapping dependence on Middle
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Speaker 3: Eastern oil for dependence on China with renewables. China controls
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Speaker 3: more than eighty percent of the global solar panel supply chain,
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Speaker 3: and it dominates battery manufacturing.
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Speaker 2: So how can we.
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Speaker 3: Seriously talk about energy sovereignty when the technology underpinning that
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Speaker 3: system is overwhelmingly manufactured by a strategic competitor. Energy security
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Speaker 3: isn't just about where electricity is generated. It's about who
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Speaker 3: controls the supply chain, who builds the technology, who processes
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Speaker 3: the critical minerals and who we rely on when something
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Speaker 3: goes wrong. If the lesson from recent global conflicts is
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Speaker 3: that Australia needs to become more resilient, then shifting our
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Speaker 3: dependence from one foreign supplier to another doesn't sound much
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Speaker 3: like sovereignty at all. Chris Bowen says this year's cop
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Speaker 3: won't deliver massive breakthroughs, so stop asking Australians to pay
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Speaker 3: breakthrough prices. Because taxpayers don't need another global summit. They
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Speaker 3: need lower bills, they need reliable power, They need a
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Speaker 3: government that treats their money with respect.
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Speaker 2: And if Canber wants to call that climate.
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Speaker 3: Leadership, Australias are entitled to call it what it is,
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Speaker 3: an expensive exercise in symbolism, when what this country really
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Speaker 3: needs are results.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 3: Today, the government wants Australians to celebrate a new tax
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Speaker 3: cut has kicked in. From today, every Australian taxpayer will
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Speaker 3: receive at least two hundred and sixty eight dollars a
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Speaker 3: year back through a reduction in the lowest tax rate.
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Speaker 3: This works out to about five dollars fifteen a week,
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Speaker 3: less than a price of a cup of coffee. Treasurer
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Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers says it's more cost of living relief.
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Speaker 7: Today's a really important day, Today's the first of July,
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Speaker 7: and that means more cost of living help is on
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Speaker 7: the way from this alban Ezy Labor government. From today,
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Speaker 7: we've got more tax cuts, more pay rises, we extend
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Speaker 7: paid parental leave, the instant asset ride off for small business,
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Speaker 7: we pay souper on payday. And there's more relief at
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Speaker 7: the bowser as well when it comes to excise reliefs.
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Speaker 3: But here's what Australians should know. If the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 3: lifts interest rates by just a quarter of a percent
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Speaker 3: later this year, the average mortgage will increase by around
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Speaker 3: one hundred and fourteen dollars a month, so that's twenty
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Speaker 3: eight dollars a week. In other words, one interest rate
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Speaker 3: this rise would wipe this tax cut over five times.
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Speaker 3: So this isn't relief that's giving with one hand, while
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Speaker 3: the cost of living takes far more away with the other.
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Speaker 3: Governments love announcing what they're giving Australians, but they spend
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Speaker 3: far less time talking about what Australians have lost. Since
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Speaker 3: Labour came to office, We've had fifteen interest rate rises,
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Speaker 3: Inflation has eroded wages, small businesses are under enormous pressure.
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Speaker 3: During question time today, Opposition leader Angus Taylor highlighted the
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Speaker 3: tougher living conditions under this government.
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Speaker 4: Under labor, the price of everything is going up. Electricity
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Speaker 4: is up thirty eight percent, gas up thirty seven percent,
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Speaker 4: rent up twenty three percent, health costs up seventeen percent,
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Speaker 4: education up twenty one percent, and childcare fees are up
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Speaker 4: twenty seven percent. Prime Minister, how are Australians supposed to
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Speaker 4: get ahead when labor keeps making them pay more?
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Speaker 3: And now the Reserve Bank is openly discussing where the
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Speaker 3: rates may need to rise again because inflation is too high.
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Speaker 3: And that's the context in which this tax cuts arrives.
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Speaker 3: If families still can't get ahead, they don't feel better
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Speaker 3: off because a minister tells them that they should. While
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Speaker 3: Chalmers talks about giving taxpayers back a tiny fraction of
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Speaker 3: their money, this money, over time, is quietly clawed back
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Speaker 3: through bracket creep as Australians pay more tax as their
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Speaker 3: wages rise with inflation. What should be celebrated is creating
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Speaker 3: an economy where Australians get to keep more of what
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Speaker 3: they earn, an economy where inflation is under control, where
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Speaker 3: interest rates are coming down not threatening to go back up,
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Speaker 3: where businesses have the confidence to invest. That's what real
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Speaker 3: cost of living relief looks like. Forget the headlines, forget
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Speaker 3: the press releases. Ask Australians one simple question, Are you
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Speaker 3: better off today than you were four years ago? Until
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Speaker 3: the answer is yes, the government should stop high fiving itself. Well,
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Speaker 3: let's head to Camber now for tonight's political headlines with
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Speaker 3: sky News political reporter Reuben Spargo.
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Speaker 1: Australia's housing market has suffered its biggest hit in almost
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Speaker 1: four years. Sydney and Perth recorded the sharpest falls in June,
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Speaker 1: and analysts of warning prices could further weaken well.
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Speaker 7: Housing is a long term investment, so people shouldn't yet
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Speaker 7: to carry it away by weekly or monthly movements in
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Speaker 7: house prices.
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Speaker 1: According to the sky News Pulse poll, almost half of
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Speaker 1: voters want house prices to fall. The Liberal leadership is
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Speaker 1: demanding unity from its front and backbench. Another poll shows
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Speaker 1: the Coalition losing ground as both the Labor and One
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Speaker 1: Nation gained support when Susan Lee.
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Speaker 2: Was removed as leader. Part of that was because of
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Speaker 2: the polling.
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Speaker 8: That Angus has been in job for what I think,
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Speaker 8: it's about seventeen.
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Speaker 2: We think how much we always else she had nine months.
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Speaker 1: The coalition's leadership insists it needs more time to turn
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Speaker 1: the ship around. The government will tomorrow revealed the scale
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Speaker 1: of cost blowouts across defense projects over the past decade.
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Speaker 1: An audit of a small sample found average project costs
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Speaker 1: had ballooned by thirty eight percent, or twenty nine billion
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Speaker 1: dollars before a single contract was signed.
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Speaker 9: Every time that there's a misstep or a failure within
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Speaker 9: this labor, government's always somehow the Coalition's fault. Well, this
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Speaker 9: is five years of Pat Conroy been the minister.
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Speaker 1: Sky News understands the Minister will blame poor cost estimates,
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Speaker 1: undisciplined scope chain, and dysfunctional oversight by defenses senior leadership
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Speaker 1: and top public servants.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's bring in tonight's panel One Nation Chief of
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Speaker 3: Staff James Ashby and senior fellow at the Mensies Research Center,
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Speaker 3: Nick Cater. Gentlemen, welcome, Nick. Let's start with you around
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Speaker 3: the Sky News polls that has one nation a head
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Speaker 3: of labor on thirty percent, with labor on twenty nine
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Speaker 3: and the Coalition on seventeen. When you saw those numbers,
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Speaker 3: what were you thinking and in particular around that seventeen
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Speaker 3: percent for the coalition.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think the.
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Speaker 11: First thing is the pollsters are obviously doing well because
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Speaker 11: you know there's a consistency between the polls, particularly the
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Speaker 11: most reliable Sky News poll and News poll. That is
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Speaker 11: where we're at, right, that is where we're at. And
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Speaker 11: I think the bottom line for the coalition is this,
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Speaker 11: you no longer have the monopoly of disillusioned labor voters.
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Speaker 11: It used to be when a labor government did badly,
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Speaker 11: the curlition could expect just to pick up that chunk
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Speaker 11: of votes before it even talked about what it was
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Speaker 11: going to do better. Now that's not happening. It seems
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Speaker 11: to me the one nation is picking up most of
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Speaker 11: the dissillusion votes. It did so after Bondai when people
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Speaker 11: are very unhappy with Anthoney Albanese's performance, and it's doing
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Speaker 11: so now. On the budget, the challenge for Angus Taylor
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Speaker 11: as he has to come out with strong policies which
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Speaker 11: given a strong alternative for what a future government would
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Speaker 11: look like under the condition. I think he's perfectly capable
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Speaker 11: of doing that. He's already done it with the ending
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Speaker 11: the bracket creep proposal, which is a really important proposal.
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Speaker 11: He's done it with ending welfare for non citizens and
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Speaker 11: he needs to do more of that. He's capable of
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Speaker 11: doing it. I'm sure he will, but until we see
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Speaker 11: more positive policies from the opposition, I think these the
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Speaker 11: poles are going to continue pretty much in this.
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Speaker 3: Vein make a good point there, Nick, and I think
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Speaker 3: as well when it comes to the Coalition in particular
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Speaker 3: the Liberals that when they do have those policies, they
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Speaker 3: stay bold and they stick with them and they don't
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Speaker 3: shy away if they start to face any backlash around
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Speaker 3: some of the ideas they might have had, which James
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Speaker 3: is something that at one nation you do tend to
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Speaker 3: cop a bit of flack with certain things that you
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Speaker 3: come out with. But there was a really interesting article
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Speaker 3: in Today's Australian that was saying ACTU Secretary Sally McManus,
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Speaker 3: by her calling for another voice, these are the sort
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Speaker 3: of things that are adding to the rise of Pauline
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Speaker 3: Hansen because vote to see that and think, my gosh,
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Speaker 3: we just had a referendum. Why can't you just accept no?
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Speaker 3: And I do think that this is what's contributing as
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Speaker 3: well to why people are shifting to Pauline Hanson and
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Speaker 3: One Nation.
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Speaker 12: Well, this has always been Labour's ultimate goal is to
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Speaker 12: get the voice through, regardless of whether the Australian people
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Speaker 12: say yes or no. We've seen this being implemented at
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Speaker 12: a state level without any form of referendum. South Australia
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Speaker 12: were the first to kick this off. Victoria has basically
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Speaker 12: done the same thing Queensland. Even here as a state,
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Speaker 12: the Liberal National Party voted in favor of it, but
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Speaker 12: it was only just prior to a state election. They
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Speaker 12: came to their senses and realized it was going to
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Speaker 12: be a leg up for One Nation if they didn't
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Speaker 12: change their opinion. Labor will always try to use the
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Speaker 12: Unions to do the grunt work and selling McManus. Look,
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Speaker 12: she won't take no for an answer. Unions don't take
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Speaker 12: no for an answer. That's why you see them survive.
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Speaker 12: They're just going to keep pushing on with this agenda
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Speaker 12: and One Nation will be the only party that will
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Speaker 12: just push back time and time again. It's a dead
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Speaker 12: set no from the Australian people. I wish Labor and
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Speaker 12: the Union would get it through their thick heads.
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Speaker 3: A nick property prices is something that is certainly making
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Speaker 3: headlines at the moment. But it was interesting The Sky
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Speaker 3: News Pulse had more data come out today that showed
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Speaker 3: nearly half of voters say they want house prices to fall,
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Speaker 3: while just one in four want them to stay where
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Speaker 3: they are. Does this show you that perhaps voters are
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Speaker 3: judging Labour's housing policy a bit more positively.
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Speaker 2: Within the budget and I should say that we'll.
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Speaker 3: Listening to Tom Connor when he was talking through these numbers.
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Speaker 3: The question was what's best for the country, not you
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Speaker 3: as an individual.
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Speaker 11: There's certainly some political ground to be made by Labor
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Speaker 11: in playing to the idea that they are going to
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Speaker 11: reduce housing prices. They won't want to say it too loudly,
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Speaker 11: of course, because everybody with a house, or almost everybody
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Speaker 11: who owns a house, will not want those prices to
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Speaker 11: go down, but because it's a very bad thing if
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Speaker 11: they do go down by an extent, because it will
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Speaker 11: stop the flow of new houses.
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Speaker 10: As it is.
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Speaker 11: Developers, people with subdivisions out in Western Sydney, it's very
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Speaker 11: hard to finance those projects now because the profit margin
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Speaker 11: is so thin as it is once you take off
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Speaker 11: building cost construction costs which are not coming down, and
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Speaker 11: government red tape which will still remain at that same level.
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Speaker 11: And the difference between selling a house to say one
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Speaker 11: point two million and one point one or even a million,
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Speaker 11: means that no longer is commercially viable to build houses.
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Speaker 11: So I think there's a real problem here. Although it
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Speaker 11: looks attractive to some people to bring down housing prices,
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Speaker 11: it actually means a fall in the amount of houses,
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Speaker 11: the amount of housing stock, and will make it harder
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Speaker 11: for people to buy houses, not not.
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Speaker 3: Easier, James, that is something that is coming out where
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Speaker 3: the builders today have been sounding the alarm saying that
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Speaker 3: there's been a collapse in the pipeline of work that's
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Speaker 3: coming through as house prices plummet.
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Speaker 2: Nationwide.
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Speaker 3: Housing Industry Association Chief Executive Simon Croft said this today
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Speaker 3: on Sky News.
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Speaker 13: Talking to our volume builders is right now that they're
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Speaker 13: feeling finding about a fifty percent drop in foot traffic
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Speaker 13: through their display homes and through new home sales. So
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Speaker 13: we are deeply concerned about that. With the confidence confidence
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Speaker 13: for consumers, confidence for homeowners is critical in terms of
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Speaker 13: investing in housing.
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Speaker 3: Are we seeing more unintended consequences I suppose from the
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Speaker 3: May budget.
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Speaker 12: I think that's part of the challenge, but there's additional challenges.
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Speaker 12: Being part of the Paris Agreement is just one of
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Speaker 12: those reasons. Because what you're finding is we've got to
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Speaker 12: meet these energy regulations that have been instilled right across
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Speaker 12: the states and federally because of the Paris Agreement. Take
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Speaker 12: it from a bloke who a partner and I building
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Speaker 12: a house at the present moment, and because you've got
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Speaker 12: seven star energy ratings, it means additional costs. It means
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Speaker 12: also because you've got these disability frameworks in place, even
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Speaker 12: though neither of us are disabled, we've still got to
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Speaker 12: build a house as though we are, and these are
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Speaker 12: all adding significant costs. I'd have to say it's at
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Speaker 12: least about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars extra on
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Speaker 12: our property. Now that adds to the cost of any
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Speaker 12: new build. And when you consider now that a new
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Speaker 12: build can be anywhere between around three to four thousand
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Speaker 12: dollars a square meter, you have to think to yourself, well,
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Speaker 12: can the average person afford that. The average person now
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Speaker 12: is struggling to borrow money from banks. The banks are
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Speaker 12: saying you don't meet the threshold to borrow that volume
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Speaker 12: of money. So therefore new builds are off the table
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Speaker 12: for a lot of people. But also two, as new
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Speaker 12: builds go up, it means existing stock in the market
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Speaker 12: goes up in price as well. So it's a major conundrum.
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Speaker 12: We've got offsets that need to be met for new developments.
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Speaker 12: It means if you want to develop a parcel of
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Speaker 12: land in a city area, you've got to go and
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Speaker 12: buy land in a non city residential area and offset it,
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Speaker 12: in other words, return it to the environment. And that
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Speaker 12: comes at a cost. So all these things are compounding
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Speaker 12: and that's why it is getting dearer and dearer to
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Speaker 12: build in this country. Something's got to give, and it's
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Speaker 12: not going to be people's wages, so therefore it's got
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Speaker 12: to be government regulation has to be cut to make
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Speaker 12: housing more affordable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we do always hear from the building industry just
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Speaker 3: to cut that red tape and make it easier to
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Speaker 3: get the houses built. Nick, I'd love to get your
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Speaker 3: thoughts on this. The ABC they're running a new series
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Speaker 3: of really what can only be called propaganda. It's a
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Speaker 3: program that is called Stuff the British Stole and it
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Speaker 3: encourages school children to redesign the Australian flag and pretty
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Speaker 3: much ditch the Union jack.
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Speaker 2: Take a look.
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Speaker 14: One thing that none of you have included is the
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Speaker 14: Union jack.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I guess we don't really associate ourselves with the British
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Speaker 1: that much like in modern Australia because it doesn't.
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Speaker 15: Really feel like US as a nation anymore.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Nick, that is our taxpayer dollars right at
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Speaker 3: work there.
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Speaker 2: How do we keep allowing this?
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Speaker 11: I don't know, and I don't know where they find
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Speaker 11: these kids, but that's not the kind of attitude I
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Speaker 11: hear from people. It's certainly not out in Western Sydney.
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Speaker 11: I was out last night at the community dinner out
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Speaker 11: in Millaneer, Liverpool. It is the most diverse crowd that
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Speaker 11: come there in terms of their country of origins. But
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Speaker 11: we always fly the Australian flag high on the flag
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Speaker 11: pole and everybody loves it, you know. So I just
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Speaker 11: think the ABC are just appealing to a very small
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Speaker 11: section of the population. Most people love the Australian flag
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Speaker 11: and want to rally around it. I'm certain of that, James.
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Speaker 3: What do you think is it part of the problem
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Speaker 3: that our schools as well as broadcast like the ABC
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Speaker 3: and other cultural institutions. They just seem more focused on
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Speaker 3: critiquing Australia rather than building like a shared sense of
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Speaker 3: national identity and to be proud.
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Speaker 12: Well, the average kid at this age isn't interested in
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Speaker 12: debating whether we should have a new flag. They're interested
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Speaker 12: in what first car they're going to buy, for example.
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Speaker 12: But you know, where is the history being taught about
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Speaker 12: our Australian flag. Where's the history about the Comwealth star
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Speaker 12: that sits beneath the Union jack with the seven points
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Speaker 12: on it originally started at six and it was until
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Speaker 12: seven years after that flag was developed we got a
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Speaker 12: seventh because six represented the states and the seventh came
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Speaker 12: in to represent the territories.
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Speaker 11: Where is the education.
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Speaker 12: Being spoken about that we had to pay twenty million
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Speaker 12: dollars as a federal government to buy the indigenous flag
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Speaker 12: back in twenty two. There's a lot missing from education today.
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Speaker 12: It's not the focus that I'd be talking about in
21:21
Speaker 12: a state or federal but it just goes to show
21:24
Speaker 12: how wyko education system has become. And again I just
21:28
Speaker 12: say there are more priorities for our young people. Housing
21:31
Speaker 12: should be front and center and how to save for
21:34
Speaker 12: their first home, not how to redesign the Australian flag.
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Speaker 3: Hi, your spot on there, James, Well, I'll leave it there, gentlemen,
21:41
Speaker 3: thank you so much. Well, today mark's the launch of
21:45
Speaker 3: the new Veterans and Families Well Being Agency, designed to
21:49
Speaker 3: simplify rehabilitation and compensation by bringing services under one roof.
21:54
Speaker 3: It's been described as a major shakeup of the way
21:57
Speaker 3: veterans access support or joining me now is shadow Defense
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Speaker 3: Industry Minister Phil Thompson.
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Speaker 2: Phil, it's great to see you.
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Speaker 3: Let's start with that new Veterans and Family Wellbeing Agency.
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Speaker 3: The idea is consolidating and simplifying the process of rehab
22:14
Speaker 3: Do you welcome that for veterans?
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Speaker 9: Well, it sounds like a great idea because when you
22:20
Speaker 9: harmonize the different legislations and you bring them together, you
22:24
Speaker 9: should get ease of access of service. Well, but the
22:28
Speaker 9: reality is this is a website at the moment there is.
22:31
Speaker 9: It hasn't been.
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Speaker 14: Fully rolled out.
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Speaker 9: The website crashed today when veterans are trying to access
22:37
Speaker 9: it and go through and see what it's all about.
22:40
Speaker 9: So it's you know, I think they've kind of rushed
22:43
Speaker 9: this a little bit. I do want to work constructively
22:46
Speaker 9: with the government because anything that makes supports and services
22:51
Speaker 9: easier for veterans and my mates and those that are
22:54
Speaker 9: still serving and our veterans around the country, I.
22:57
Speaker 6: Want to help.
22:59
Speaker 3: I know that you do have a concern around that
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Speaker 3: five thousand dollar cap on allied health support for veterans.
23:05
Speaker 3: Defense Minister Matt Keo was on Sky News today speaking
23:08
Speaker 3: about the cap here.
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Speaker 8: Is has been troubling, the one which some people in
23:13
Speaker 8: the opposition have been sort of crowding a bit of
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Speaker 8: fear by not being very clear about what we're really
23:17
Speaker 8: doing here.
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Speaker 3: And I watched that today and I thought, oh, wonder
23:22
Speaker 3: what filmmakes of those comments. And within that interview he
23:25
Speaker 3: did say that the point of the five thousand dollar
23:28
Speaker 3: cap was to pretty much make it easier for veterans
23:31
Speaker 3: to process their claims and be able to keep track
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Speaker 3: of what they're going through.
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Speaker 15: But how.
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Speaker 9: So, this is the problem. Matt Keo is out of
23:42
Speaker 9: his depth. He can't explain it, and hearing that he's lying.
23:47
Speaker 9: It's as clear as cut and as simple as that,
23:49
Speaker 9: because if you hit your five thousand dollar per year
23:53
Speaker 9: cap when you're in a bad way, how do you
23:56
Speaker 9: then progress past it. So let's say, and I'll use
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Speaker 9: an example of a veteran in Townsville. He knows that
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Speaker 9: he'll hit the five thousand dollar cap in a couple
24:04
Speaker 9: of months. He looked me in the eye and said,
24:07
Speaker 9: I will not be a burden on my family. This
24:10
Speaker 9: terrifies me that we have an incompetent minister who can't
24:13
Speaker 9: talk about the detail, and all he wants to do
24:15
Speaker 9: is say, oh, well your fear mong green, Well that's
24:17
Speaker 9: bs made. Veterans will be worse off and I'm terrified
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Speaker 9: that we will see more suicides because of this incompetent minister.
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Speaker 3: Well, you also have a petition that is to send
24:28
Speaker 3: that message to CANBRA about this cap. How many signatures
24:32
Speaker 3: do you have so far?
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Speaker 9: So I've just got under twelve thousand, which is good.
24:38
Speaker 9: I will want to obviously want to grow that more.
24:41
Speaker 9: I will table this in the Federal Parliament. I will
24:44
Speaker 9: bring your names, veterans around the country and those that
24:47
Speaker 9: support our arm service, and I will put your name
24:51
Speaker 9: with everyone else's on the table and I will look
24:53
Speaker 9: at the government and say, these people want to get
24:56
Speaker 9: rid of the cap. They want to scrap the cap,
24:58
Speaker 9: they want veterans to get the services that they deserve.
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Speaker 9: You can't say thank you for your service and then
25:04
Speaker 9: kick us in the guts and put a cap on
25:05
Speaker 9: top of it.
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Speaker 16: So I keep.
25:07
Speaker 9: Pushing it around. I want to get as many signatus
25:09
Speaker 9: as I can and let's show this government that we
25:11
Speaker 9: won't stand for this.
25:14
Speaker 3: Phil I've got to get your thoughts around sky News
25:16
Speaker 3: pulse that shows the Coalition is now at historic lows
25:20
Speaker 3: of seventeen percent.
25:21
Speaker 2: I know Angus Taylor is calling.
25:23
Speaker 3: For unity within the party and he is right. Voters
25:27
Speaker 3: are sick of in fighting and seeing the headlines like that.
25:31
Speaker 3: What are you saying to your colleagues who are concerned
25:34
Speaker 3: by polling.
25:36
Speaker 9: Well, polling, you know, you should always look at the
25:39
Speaker 9: polling and it's it's like a little bit of a
25:42
Speaker 9: direction check. And you know, the polling in twenty nineteen
25:45
Speaker 9: said that the Coalition could never win and you had
25:47
Speaker 9: Bill short and running out there measuring the drapes for
25:50
Speaker 9: the lodge and then we want in a majority, so
25:54
Speaker 9: we should make, you know, look at it. But at
25:56
Speaker 9: the end of the day, the Coalition needs to stop
25:58
Speaker 9: talking about itself start to talking about the Australian people.
26:01
Speaker 9: You know, if you keep the inward view and you
26:05
Speaker 9: keep talking about what people are saying or you know,
26:08
Speaker 9: in fighting or any of that kind of rubbish, then
26:11
Speaker 9: we don't and we aren't representing the people that we
26:13
Speaker 9: sent here to represent. And I think Angus Taylor made
26:17
Speaker 9: that quite clear. Unity means listening, working and delivering for
26:20
Speaker 9: the Australian people. That's my job and it's every other
26:22
Speaker 9: parliamentarians too. We need to be better, We need to
26:25
Speaker 9: win back the faith and that's what we need to
26:27
Speaker 9: strive to do every day.
26:29
Speaker 3: Phil, I need to ask you about an extraordinary story
26:32
Speaker 3: that I saw just before I came on air. They
26:35
Speaker 3: were around a dozen asylum Chinese seekers who were detained
26:39
Speaker 3: by authorities in Far North Queensland, but they were spotted
26:43
Speaker 3: at a pub, so they were allegedly brought here by
26:45
Speaker 3: people smugglers.
26:47
Speaker 2: How on earth is this possible?
26:50
Speaker 9: It just simply shouldn't be possible. It's clear that Tony
26:55
Speaker 9: Burke has taken his eye off Operation Sovereign Borders and
26:59
Speaker 9: the security of our borders and our seas and our
27:02
Speaker 9: nation because when they cut twenty percent out of our
27:06
Speaker 9: sovereign borders and they said there'll be no issue there's
27:09
Speaker 9: no problem here. It was a green light to people smugglers.
27:12
Speaker 9: We've seen people smugglers try and get to Australia and
27:16
Speaker 9: now we've got them sitting in a pub. This should
27:18
Speaker 9: be alarming and concerning for all Australians. This shows that
27:22
Speaker 9: this incompetent labor government is too worried about everything over
27:26
Speaker 9: here and not worried about keeping our borders safe and
27:29
Speaker 9: strong and secure. I think it's an absolute failure. And
27:32
Speaker 9: I know that many news artic news articles and places
27:36
Speaker 9: around the country have reached out to Tony Burke, who's
27:39
Speaker 9: the Labor Minister, and have heard nothing. And that's because
27:43
Speaker 9: he's probably sitting there under his table right now going
27:46
Speaker 9: yep are stuffed up and he has He needs to
27:48
Speaker 9: be better and needs to restore funding and increase it
27:50
Speaker 9: to make sure our borders are safe and secure.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
27:54
Speaker 3: Last thing we need is for anyone out there to
27:56
Speaker 3: see that we've got a chink in our armor. Phil,
27:59
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there, Thanks for joining me. After the break,
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Speaker 3: Defense Minister Pat Conroy is set to declare his own
28:05
Speaker 3: department outdated, compromised and poorly governed. But is he exposing
28:10
Speaker 3: serious failures or taking a swipe at the people in uniform. Plus,
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Speaker 3: China's top diplomat in Australia has accused Asio of fabricating
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Speaker 3: spying claims as this in Beijing does not engage in
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Speaker 3: foreign interference. Welcome back. It's great to have your company.
28:32
Speaker 3: As the world becomes more dangerous, serious questions of being
28:35
Speaker 3: asked about Australia's own defense preparedness. Reports today revealed tens
28:40
Speaker 3: of billions of dollars have been squandered inside defense over
28:43
Speaker 3: the past decade, while at the same time, China's top
28:46
Speaker 3: diplomat has accused AZIO and Western intelligence agencies of fabricating
28:52
Speaker 3: allegations of Chinese espionage and foreign interference. Joining me now
28:56
Speaker 3: in studio is Sky News defense analyst Peter Jennings. Peter,
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Speaker 3: it's great to see you, lovely. We normally chat over
29:03
Speaker 3: down the line, so it's great to have you here
29:04
Speaker 3: in person.
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Speaker 2: I do want to start with.
29:07
Speaker 3: These comments that Pat Conroy has made, and he said
29:11
Speaker 3: that the department has squandered tens of billions of dollars
29:14
Speaker 3: over the past decade. How damaging are comments like this
29:19
Speaker 3: to show the level of waste within our defense capability?
29:23
Speaker 8: Well, there is waste and that is a concern. Defense
29:27
Speaker 8: is now spending something like fifty nine billion dollars a year,
29:31
Speaker 8: more than a billion dollars a week, but they have
29:33
Speaker 8: to spend the money. Well, what I found most disturbing
29:36
Speaker 8: about Pat Conroy's statement is he's been the minister for
29:40
Speaker 8: over four years, he's now into his fifth year, and
29:43
Speaker 8: he made comments at a conference today saying, Oh, it's
29:46
Speaker 8: no one's fault, it's the system. But let me tell you,
29:50
Speaker 8: Pat Conroy is the leader of the system. Here's the
29:52
Speaker 8: guy that's charged with delivering this military capability. And for
29:57
Speaker 8: him to discover four years in major problem, that's not
30:01
Speaker 8: good enough. He needs to have been leading the department
30:04
Speaker 8: more decisively to produce better outcomes.
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Speaker 3: Some of the comments that he's saying. And he will
30:10
Speaker 3: be speaking at tomorrow's National Press Club where he's talked
30:13
Speaker 3: about Defense the operations has become outdated and compromised, and
30:19
Speaker 3: also about poor internal governance. And when I saw those comments,
30:23
Speaker 3: I thought, is he taking a jab at our defense personnel.
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Speaker 8: I don't think you can read it any other way.
30:31
Speaker 8: I mean, again, the comments today were it's the system,
30:35
Speaker 8: it's the system's fault. No one's to blame. But of
30:38
Speaker 8: course it's people lead these things. He leads it. There's
30:41
Speaker 8: the senior defense leadership of the organization. If there's been
30:45
Speaker 8: twenty nine billion dollars worth of lack of delivery, who's
30:50
Speaker 8: actually stepping forward to take responsibility for that? And with
30:54
Speaker 8: Pat Conroy now into his fifth year as minister, does
30:58
Speaker 8: he have any role to play in this life of delivery?
31:00
Speaker 8: I mean, of course he does, and I think it
31:02
Speaker 8: would actually be better for him if he was just
31:05
Speaker 8: prepared to front up and acknowledge some responsibility and then
31:09
Speaker 8: lead the department to produce better outcomes.
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Speaker 3: That's one thing about this government, though, Peter. They don't
31:14
Speaker 3: seem to take any ownership when there's a problem or
31:16
Speaker 3: something is going systems fault. That's going to be the line.
31:20
Speaker 3: I want to move our attention now to China's top
31:23
Speaker 3: diplomat here in Australia has attacked Asier but also other
31:28
Speaker 3: Western intelligence agencies, and he's accused them of fabricating spying
31:33
Speaker 3: claims against his nation and said that Beijing doesn't undertake
31:37
Speaker 3: foreign interference. What do you make of comments like that?
31:41
Speaker 8: He's lying and it's disappointing to me that our media
31:45
Speaker 8: takes that so seriously that he's given an opportunity to
31:48
Speaker 8: have an opinion piece and a major Australian newspaper saying that,
31:52
Speaker 8: I guarantee you if the Australian ambassador complained like that
31:55
Speaker 8: in Beijing, he'd be called into the Ministry of Foreign
31:58
Speaker 8: Affairs and told to be and possibly kicked out of
32:01
Speaker 8: the country. So when the Chinese ambassador says, hey, we
32:05
Speaker 8: don't spy, I'm here to tell you Jamie, they absolutely do.
32:09
Speaker 8: They are the biggest espionage threat that Australia faces today,
32:14
Speaker 8: which is frightening.
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Speaker 3: I want to look over to a war that we
32:18
Speaker 3: have spoken about quite quite a lot, and that is
32:21
Speaker 3: over with Iran and the US. Now, the straight up
32:24
Speaker 3: hor moves is still such a contentious issue, with Iran
32:27
Speaker 3: saying that they now plan to control the Strait along
32:30
Speaker 3: with Oman, who is an ally of the US. So
32:33
Speaker 3: that's probably one positive for the United States. But Iran
32:37
Speaker 3: are still saying that they're going to impose tolls and
32:39
Speaker 3: they're going to start doing that from mid August, and
32:42
Speaker 3: when you hear narratives like that, it really does feel
32:44
Speaker 3: as though Iran has come out of this war slight winners.
32:49
Speaker 3: Because they weren't doing this before, and now they've realized, Hey,
32:53
Speaker 3: we can shut off and cause massive global disruptions through
32:56
Speaker 3: this straight of horn moves, and we can now pay
32:59
Speaker 3: to make sure that the oil and everything keeps flowing along.
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Speaker 8: This wasn't a problem before the war began at the
33:05
Speaker 8: end of February, and I think it's astonishing, frankly, that
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Speaker 8: the American president and the American military system hadn't developed
33:14
Speaker 8: a plan to make sure that they were in control
33:16
Speaker 8: of the straight offormus by the time we got to
33:18
Speaker 8: the end of the conflict, and instead they've allowed the
33:21
Speaker 8: Iranians to do it. And now President Trump seems to
33:25
Speaker 8: be focused more on how does he get out of
33:27
Speaker 8: this quickly rather than how does he stay in to
33:30
Speaker 8: give the Americans more military options. So this is a
33:33
Speaker 8: bad outcome. It's impossible to put lipstick on the pig.
33:36
Speaker 8: I'm afraid Iran has emerged stronger, the Revolutionary guards are
33:42
Speaker 8: more in control. The Americans have taken a backward step
33:45
Speaker 8: and look confused and weak at this point. I'm sorry,
33:50
Speaker 8: but that's just a bad result.
33:52
Speaker 3: There was some interesting reporting coming actually out of the UK,
33:56
Speaker 3: and this was the Telegraph who said, some of Iran's
34:00
Speaker 3: clerics have called for the assassination of President Trump, but
34:04
Speaker 3: also of Benjamin and Yahoo. When you hear a retoric
34:08
Speaker 3: coming out of Tehran like that, how realistic really are
34:12
Speaker 3: peaceful talks?
34:14
Speaker 8: They're not realistic. What you have in Iran is a
34:17
Speaker 8: kind of a split between the extremists in charge and
34:21
Speaker 8: an even more extreme bunch of clerics who want to
34:24
Speaker 8: continue the fight. And I can't see if that's the
34:30
Speaker 8: context how we can get to a negotiated, peaceful outcome,
34:34
Speaker 8: which is what's supposed to happen over the course of
34:36
Speaker 8: the next two months.
34:37
Speaker 10: They're going to.
34:38
Speaker 8: Settle the nuclear situation. They're going to stop supporting international
34:42
Speaker 8: terrorism overseas. I don't think that's going to happen. So
34:45
Speaker 8: what we will get is sort of inconclusive talks, will
34:50
Speaker 8: have occasional military altercations in the Strait of Jumus or elsewhere,
34:55
Speaker 8: and we'll get closer to the end of the year
34:57
Speaker 8: with nothing really resolved. And I think an enormous problem
35:01
Speaker 8: on the desk of the president, which is do we
35:03
Speaker 8: start military conflict again or do we now live with
35:07
Speaker 8: bizarrely a stronger Iran. It's not a good outcome.
35:10
Speaker 15: For the United States.
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Speaker 3: No, and especially for Donald Trump going into the midterm elections.
35:14
Speaker 3: He wants this war to be over and done with.
35:17
Speaker 3: Peter Jennings, thank you so much for coming in tonight. Well, today,
35:21
Speaker 3: the government's new solar share scheme has come into effect
35:24
Speaker 3: for parts of the country, encouraging households to use more
35:28
Speaker 3: electricity in the middle of the day. At the same time,
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen is talking up Australia's leadership and his presidency
35:34
Speaker 3: role at the COP thirty one. Joining me now to
35:37
Speaker 3: discuss this is The Australian's Environment editor Graham.
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Speaker 2: Lloyd Graham, welcome. Let's start with Chris Bowen. He says
35:46
Speaker 2: Australia is.
35:47
Speaker 3: Demonstrating middle power diplomacy at its absolute best. That's his quote,
35:52
Speaker 3: and that's through his leadership of COP thirty one. But
35:55
Speaker 3: then at the same time he's telling everyone we're not
35:58
Speaker 3: going to expect any major break throughs. So what exactly
36:02
Speaker 3: is Australia hoping to achieve at this summit but being
36:06
Speaker 3: involved in general.
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Speaker 16: Well, good evening, Chris Bone is really given the game away.
36:11
Speaker 16: This is all about diplomacy for Australia. If you remember
36:15
Speaker 16: before the election. When mister Albernizi was first elected, they
36:19
Speaker 16: were saying that Australia was in the naughty corner on
36:22
Speaker 16: the climate subject and other countries didn't like us. So
36:25
Speaker 16: this has all been directed towards really ingratiating ourselves with
36:30
Speaker 16: the United Nations process. A lot of money and effort
36:35
Speaker 16: has gone into this COP on the expectation that Australia
36:39
Speaker 16: would host it. We really got a second prize and.
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Speaker 14: Mister Bowen is there as a co president.
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Speaker 16: He's admitted, look, not much is going to happen at
36:49
Speaker 16: this conference and that's certainly the evidence from periminary meetings
36:53
Speaker 16: on it. So Australia is going to say, well, we've
36:57
Speaker 16: demonstrated our middle power standing, no great effect in terms
37:01
Speaker 16: of outcomes and realistically no great return for the taxpayer either.
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Speaker 3: Graham Climate Change Authority Chair Matt Kean, he's certainly been
37:11
Speaker 3: making headlines over that thirty two thousand dollars trip to
37:14
Speaker 3: COP thirty summit in Brazil. Now this was funded by
37:17
Speaker 3: taxpayers and the controversy I suppose around this is because
37:20
Speaker 3: he was speaking on a panel sponsored by his private employer,
37:24
Speaker 3: Walamike Capital. Now Matt has responded to the criticism, and
37:28
Speaker 3: this is what he had to say. The diminished Federal
37:31
Speaker 3: Coalition went to the election promising to remove me from
37:34
Speaker 3: this role as part of their attack on moderate voices.
37:37
Speaker 3: So I'm not surprised with Dan Teen's political and ideological
37:41
Speaker 3: cultural war crusade against myself and other moderate centrist voices.
37:46
Speaker 3: Nor am I surprised they would waste their time trying
37:48
Speaker 3: to conflict conflicts where there are none. What do you
37:52
Speaker 3: make about his comments? But also do you think that
37:55
Speaker 3: this was a conflict by him being there effectively in
37:58
Speaker 3: two different roles.
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Speaker 16: Well, to quote William Shakespeare, mattckain doth protest too much.
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Speaker 16: It's quite extraordinary because it's very unusual for a public
38:10
Speaker 16: official to also hold a role in the private sector
38:15
Speaker 16: in an area in which they're acting.
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Speaker 14: Matt Kean was given permission to do that, so it
38:20
Speaker 14: was all known.
38:21
Speaker 16: But then to appear at the taxpayer expense at an
38:25
Speaker 16: international conference on a panel sponsored by your other employer,
38:30
Speaker 16: the least that should happen is that that conflict should
38:34
Speaker 16: be disclosed. I'm not sure whether MacKean did that at
38:38
Speaker 16: the time, but certainly that would be the ethical thing
38:41
Speaker 16: to do, because clearly there is a conflict.
38:45
Speaker 3: And Graham before I let you go tonight. Solar share
38:48
Speaker 3: has kicked off in parts of the country today and
38:51
Speaker 3: the government has said that households can potentially save hundreds
38:54
Speaker 3: of dollars a year by shifting their electricity use to
38:57
Speaker 3: the middle of the day. And Chris Bowlm was talking,
39:00
Speaker 3: you know, if you've got an app and you can
39:01
Speaker 3: turn on your devices through your smartphone, you can turn
39:04
Speaker 3: on your electricity and reduce your power bills that way.
39:08
Speaker 3: But is this more so about just in fixing the
39:10
Speaker 3: imbalance that we're seeing in the grid.
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Speaker 16: Well, there's two things at play here. One is that
39:16
Speaker 16: the government is desperate to try and find a way
39:20
Speaker 16: to soak up all that electricity that's generated by solar
39:23
Speaker 16: panels in the middle of the day. But the power
39:26
Speaker 16: utilities are focused on selling electricity and making a profit.
39:30
Speaker 16: So when it comes to this scheme where power is
39:34
Speaker 16: free for three hours in the middle of the day,
39:36
Speaker 16: it's probably wise to read the fine print because there
39:40
Speaker 16: will be other times where power is probably more expensive.
39:44
Speaker 16: And the trend has been to shift billing away from
39:49
Speaker 16: the cost of the electricity towards the cost of connecting
39:52
Speaker 16: to the utility.
39:54
Speaker 14: Itself. So look, it's a scheme.
39:56
Speaker 16: If you have a home battery and you can fill
39:58
Speaker 16: that up in the day, sell it back after ours,
40:02
Speaker 16: that's probably something that will be beneficial for everybody.
40:06
Speaker 14: But certainly there's.
40:08
Speaker 16: No such thing as a free lunch, and it has
40:10
Speaker 16: to be paid for somewhere.
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Speaker 2: Well, Graham, I will leave it there, Thank you so much,
40:16
Speaker 2: Well after the break.
40:17
Speaker 3: The world's largest shark monitoring program launched today in New
40:20
Speaker 3: South Wales and later words with kel.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well.
40:30
Speaker 3: The world's largest shark monitoring program has officially launched in
40:34
Speaker 3: New South Wales, backed by the New South Wales Government
40:38
Speaker 3: and Surf Life Saving New South Wales, more than one
40:41
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty drones will patrol seventy beaches from dawn
40:45
Speaker 3: until dusk every single day, scanning for sharks and alerting
40:49
Speaker 3: swimmers when one is nearby. The program is set to
40:52
Speaker 3: cost one hundred and twenty million dollars over two years.
40:56
Speaker 3: Joining me now to discuss this is Surf Life Saving
40:59
Speaker 3: Sea Steven Pierce Stephen, Thanks for coming on tonight. This
41:04
Speaker 3: is such a big investment by the men's government. Just
41:07
Speaker 3: talk to us how significant this is for sharks surveillance.
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Speaker 6: So they huge investment in sharks of violence. And to
41:15
Speaker 6: put it into context, last.
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Speaker 15: Year when we were flying, we flew around.
41:19
Speaker 6: One hundred thousand flights looking for sharks. With this uplift
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Speaker 6: and the amount of funding that's been put in, in
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Speaker 6: the next twelve months, we're going to fly around five
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Speaker 6: hundred thousand flights. Our drones are going to be there
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Speaker 6: for around two hundred and twenty thousand hours and they're
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Speaker 6: going to cover around four and a half million kilometers
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Speaker 6: just surveiling for sharks up and down the New.
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Speaker 15: South Wales coastline.
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Speaker 6: So a huge blanket of UIV drones of violence, never
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Speaker 6: seen before anywhere.
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Speaker 15: In the world.
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Speaker 3: The drones, they provide remarkable vision and it does show
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Speaker 3: how close sharks actually do get to some swimmers and daily,
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Speaker 3: no doubt you're going to see so many sharks going
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Speaker 3: up and down the coast. But what's going to actually
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Speaker 3: set off alarm. Surely you're not going to alert them
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Speaker 3: as when there's a gray nurse shark that's been spotted,
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Speaker 3: for example.
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Speaker 15: Now you're spot on there.
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Speaker 6: So our pilots are trained specifically to look for target
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Speaker 6: sharks and that's a bull shark a tiger shark or
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Speaker 6: a white shark.
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Speaker 15: They can also monitor all the other wildlife as well,
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Speaker 15: and that's the beauty of these drones. Before we had drones,
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Speaker 15: if people.
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Speaker 6: Thought they saw a shark, it might have been a
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Speaker 6: dolphin and it had caused the whole boots to shut down,
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Speaker 6: the cause pandemonium.
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Speaker 15: The pilots will identify the shark.
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Speaker 6: If it's a target shark, they'll do their countermeasures that
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Speaker 6: they're trying to do.
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Speaker 15: Otherwise, I just monitor the shark until it moves.
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Speaker 6: Around and moves out of the headland and around to
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Speaker 6: the next beach.
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Speaker 15: So it's a really great use of technology.
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Speaker 6: And these drones, as I said, we're flying at now
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Speaker 6: seventy three.
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Speaker 15: Locations now it's been uplifted again.
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Speaker 6: But they will also have artificial intelligence running through them,
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Speaker 6: hopefully in about six months time when we start to
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Speaker 6: trial the AI programs.
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Speaker 3: So these drones, they're going to be up in the
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Speaker 3: air from dawn until ask every day, three hundred and
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Speaker 3: sixty five days a year. So who's actually behind the controls?
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Speaker 3: What does it take to operate a program of this
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Speaker 3: scale every day?
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Speaker 6: So we have trained pilots, and so these pilots are
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Speaker 6: actually paid pilots under this program.
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Speaker 15: So we've got around three hundred pilots at.
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Speaker 6: The moment, and we're putting a big recruitment drive out
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Speaker 6: there for more pilots.
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Speaker 15: We've got plenty to cover the program so far, but
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Speaker 15: we will need more.
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Speaker 6: But there's that human element where they can actually watch
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Speaker 6: the screen, identify the shark and then introduce those countermeasures.
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Speaker 6: And when we talk about countermeasures, last year we spotted
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Speaker 6: around two thousand sharks, and out of those two thousand,
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Speaker 6: we actually had in deven around six hundred times, and
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Speaker 6: that might have been close the beach, evacuate the water,
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Speaker 6: set the sirens off on the drones themselves to or
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Speaker 6: let the swimmers or surfers, well, in those really critical moments,
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Speaker 6: drop the drone right down above the swimmer or the surfer,
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Speaker 6: and the pilot will actually talk through the speakers to
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Speaker 6: those people.
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Speaker 15: In the water to tell them of an imminent danger
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Speaker 15: or threat. There's a whole lot of technology behind this.
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Speaker 2: And Steve and I don't want to get too ahead
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Speaker 2: of myself.
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Speaker 3: I'm an ocean swimmer, so I love the technology that
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Speaker 3: we're bringing out here. Do you think that this will
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Speaker 3: then move us more away from traditional shark measures like
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Speaker 3: nets and start to invest more in things like the
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Speaker 3: drum lines and continue expanding the drones program.
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Speaker 15: I think at the.
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Speaker 6: Moment the drones is part of the shark management strategy
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Speaker 6: with nets and drum lines, VR four G listening stations.
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Speaker 6: But there is no doubt that UOV shark drone surveilence
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Speaker 6: is at the apex of just how effective it is.
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Speaker 6: We've seen the research and the science behind the shark
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Speaker 6: nets as well, so I think the Men's Government have
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Speaker 6: done an incredible investment here in uplifting this program. And
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Speaker 6: then also our next loop again is from here into
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Speaker 6: autonomous drones, where pilots will be flying multiple drones remotely
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Speaker 6: hundreds of klometers away still surveillan the beaches.
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Speaker 15: So this technology is going ahead leaves and bounds, and.
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Speaker 6: We're keeping pace with it, and it's a really exciting
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Speaker 6: future over the next.
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Speaker 15: Twelve months or so.
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Speaker 3: It really is well done to you and your team
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Speaker 3: and of course to the Men's Government. Stephen, thank you.
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Speaker 3: After the break, it is words with Kel.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back well.
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Speaker 3: Joining the show now, as he always does on a Wednesday,
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Speaker 3: is wordsmith and broadcaster Kel Richards Kel, it's great to
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Speaker 3: see you. There's some really great words in here that
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Speaker 3: we're going to dissect. The first one Johnny has asked
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Speaker 3: about the origin of the expression brainwashing.
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Speaker 10: Came into English in nineteen fifty as part of the
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Speaker 10: Korean War, which was nineteen fifty to fifty three. The
45:37
Speaker 10: interesting thing about it is it started as a Chinese word.
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Speaker 10: They were doing it and they coined the word for it.
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Speaker 10: They were capturing American servicemen and putting them through a
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Speaker 10: process in which they said they washed away with what they
45:48
Speaker 10: were thinking and implanted new ideas, and they called it
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Speaker 10: in Chinese brainwashing. So it was discovered by the Americans
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Speaker 10: who translated it into English, and we've had brainwashing ever since.
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Speaker 10: I mean, there some modern ideologies, not to mention climate
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Speaker 10: ideology that seem to brainwash people. Maybe not just brainwash them,
46:07
Speaker 10: dry clean and press them.
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Speaker 3: Might be yes, I love that spitting chips. This has
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Speaker 3: come from Greg Craig and he wants to know where
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Speaker 3: the origin of that.
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Speaker 10: This is interesting now it's an Australian expression. We coined.
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Speaker 10: It first turns up in the Perth Sunday Times ninety nine.
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Speaker 10: I've talked to all the experts. I know, no one
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Speaker 10: knows where it comes from. So this is basically a
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Speaker 10: research moment. I'm appealing to viewers of Kredline to think
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Speaker 10: about it and tell me what sort of chips people
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Speaker 10: are spitting when they're angry or annoyed, because that's what
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Speaker 10: it's always meant from the beginning. What do they think
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Speaker 10: spitting chips was to begin with? So if they go
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Speaker 10: to my website ozwords dot com dot au, go to
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Speaker 10: the contact page and say, Kel, I've worked it out.
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Speaker 10: Here's the answer. So this is a research moment. Please, Yeah, let's.
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Speaker 2: Do some good homework for all of us to do.
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Speaker 2: What about Ian who's asked for bell the cat.
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Speaker 10: From an Aesop's fable in which the mice had argument
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Speaker 10: about we want to put a bell around the neck
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Speaker 10: of our enemy, the cat, But which of them I
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Speaker 10: shall be brave enough to beld the cat? So when
47:07
Speaker 10: someone is brave enough to spill the chips on what's
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Speaker 10: going on, to blow the whistle whatever, they are said
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Speaker 10: to have beild the cat because they were the one
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Speaker 10: brave enough to do it, and one.
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Speaker 3: That I actually had never even heard of, Kel was
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Speaker 3: Dennis wants you to explain the difference between an acronym
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Speaker 3: and initialism, because.
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Speaker 10: Dennis very rudely said, no, journalists seem to understand both
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Speaker 10: of them are a set of initials from a phrase.
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Speaker 10: So North American Treaty Organization is a phrase. But if
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Speaker 10: the initials can be pronounced as a word, it's an acronym.
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Speaker 10: If they can't be pronounced as a word, it's an initialism.
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Speaker 10: So NATO, SCUBA, RADAR are acronyms because you can ANZAC,
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Speaker 10: you can say them as words, but CIA, FBI, RSVP
47:56
Speaker 10: are initialisms because you can't say them as words. In Edson,
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Speaker 10: age is an acronym, HIV is an initialism. You can
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Speaker 10: see the machines, and ATM is an initialism. But your
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Speaker 10: personal identification number is your PIN and you can say
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Speaker 10: it as a word, So it's an acronym. So for
48:14
Speaker 10: all the journalists out there, pay attention, gets your acronyms
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Speaker 10: and initialism straight.
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Speaker 14: Oh.
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Speaker 3: I like that because we always talk about acronyms always,
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Speaker 3: But it was the initialism is where I saw it
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Speaker 3: and thought.
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Speaker 10: People just assume if it's a bunch of initials, it's
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Speaker 10: an acronym. It's not. You've got to be able to
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Speaker 10: say it as a word.
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Speaker 3: Well, Kel, thank you very much for clarifying, for people
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Speaker 3: like myself, and for Dennis for sending through that fantastic one.
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Speaker 2: It is now time for the Bolt Report. I'll be
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Speaker 2: back tomorrow night