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Hollywood Brat WHINES ABOUT HIS FILET MIGNON: Dismembered Wife & In-Laws · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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  Speaker 2: If three dead bodies won't keep you in jail, what will? Actually, though,
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  Speaker 2: here's the problem. We've only got one torso, two bodies
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  Speaker 2: still missing. And as to the third body of May,
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  Speaker 2: we only have a torso. Where's the rest of her?
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  Speaker 2: I know that sounds harsh, but that's not my doing.
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  Speaker 2: This is the doing of Sam Highschool, the fourth, or
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  Speaker 2: is he is called in Hollywood Junior. His father is
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  Speaker 2: the star, the head of an once the head of
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  Speaker 2: an incredible, incredible talent agency with world wide reach. They're millionaires.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, this is the Sun, the freeloading son. I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about Sam Haskell, But what I'm really talking about
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  Speaker 2: is his wife May Haskell, aged thirty seven, Yan Shung
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  Speaker 2: Wang and Ghost Shun Lee. His in laws also missing,
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  Speaker 2: and who has his children? The wife's torsos in a dumpster.
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  Speaker 2: He's charged with murder, very possibly walking out of jail
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  Speaker 2: on bond. So who has the children? I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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  Speaker 2: here at Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven.
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  Speaker 2: As we speak, Sam Haskell, the fourth, age thirty five,
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  Speaker 2: can't really tell if he was holding down a job
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  Speaker 2: or not, but living in an incredible spread. You know what,
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  Speaker 2: let me introduce to you one of our all star panel,
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  Speaker 2: Miguel Melndez, Senior writer Entertainment Tonight. You can find Miguel
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  Speaker 2: at ET online. Miguel, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen this house? I mean, it's got the
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  Speaker 2: enclosed backyard, the pool, the whole shebang were several million
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  Speaker 2: dollars and an upscale enclave. There's no way Haskell the
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  Speaker 2: fourth Junior could have afforded that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, I mean this house was immaculately. He
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  Speaker 3: lived in the affluent neighborhood of in Tarzana, aflow neighborhood
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  Speaker 3: in a suburb of Los Angeles, and you're right. Reports
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  Speaker 3: have said that the house is worth close to two
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  Speaker 3: million dollars and there's no evidence to show that he
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  Speaker 3: held down a job where.
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  Speaker 4: He could afford that.
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  Speaker 5: So you're right.
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  Speaker 3: This is something that was supplied to him, probably by
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  Speaker 3: his father, and just does make you wonder if he
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  Speaker 3: was just living waiting for his father to put the
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  Speaker 3: bill on whatever it was that he needed.
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  Speaker 2: You mean, waiting for his father to die so he
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  Speaker 2: could get all his money.
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  Speaker 3: I won't say that, but you know you said it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I said it. Okay, guys, other than going off
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  Speaker 2: on a rant about this I living in a multimillion
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  Speaker 2: dollar home, let's get back on track. And that's about
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  Speaker 2: three murders. And yes, I know there is no evidence
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  Speaker 2: of two of the murders because we don't have the
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  Speaker 2: bodies yet. But should I give him a gold star
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  Speaker 2: and a plus for actually somehow hiding the bodies. We
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  Speaker 2: know that one body, the body of his wife who
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  Speaker 2: was afraid of him, may has been dismembered. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: assuming that's what he did to his in laws that
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  Speaker 2: lived with him. But let me, let me get us
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  Speaker 2: back on track. Miguel Melandez joining us from ET Entertainment tonight. Miguel,
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  Speaker 2: he is set to be back in court in just hours.
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  Speaker 2: Is he going to ask for a bond again?
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the likely The likelihood of that happening
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  Speaker 3: is very real. I don't think that's that the judge
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  Speaker 3: will grant him bond, given that he had a bond
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  Speaker 3: hearing already on November thirteen that lasted less than five minutes,
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  Speaker 3: and when he was arrested. Initially it was held on
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  Speaker 3: two million dollars bail, and at the hearing on November thirteenth,
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  Speaker 3: the judge said he will be held without bond. I
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  Speaker 3: can't imagine that, when he's arraigned just hours from now,
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  Speaker 3: that the judge will now let him out on bail.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't see that happening.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I agree with you, Miguel Melendez, but you
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  Speaker 2: never know how loudly money can talk.
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  Speaker 4: It is hollyweird.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially there in Hollywood. Guys. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: we're learning more. Take a listen to our cut twenty.
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  Speaker 6: Sam Haskell is sitting in jail, accused of murdering and
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  Speaker 6: dismembering his wife and her parents, Yet he claims to
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  Speaker 6: have a weak's stomach when it comes.
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  Speaker 2: To carnage in the movies.
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  Speaker 6: According to Instagram messages, Haskell's former personal trainer shared with
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  Speaker 6: TNZ the violence in horror movies is hard for Haskell
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  Speaker 6: to enjoy because he can't handle synh chopped up bodies.
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  Speaker 6: In one message shared, Haskell writ's about the movie Forever Purge,
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  Speaker 6: the fifth film in the Dystopian series where for twelve hours,
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  Speaker 6: once a year, all crime is legal.
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  Speaker 2: Quote.
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  Speaker 6: Forever Purge was a little different fools really getting chopped
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  Speaker 6: up in Mexico for real. It's hard for me Doingtoya
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  Speaker 6: movie about that. I'm down with Perch two anarchy. In
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  Speaker 6: Perch two anarchy, the murderers seem to have a revenge
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  Speaker 6: motive for those they're plotting to kill.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, I think it could have gone
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  Speaker 2: all day long without knowing that. But no, it's up
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  Speaker 2: here and it's never going away. A guy charged with
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  Speaker 2: three murders, including dismemberment of his wife, the mother of
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  Speaker 2: his children his boys, says he doesn't like violent movies
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  Speaker 2: slice and dice, slasher movies and speaking of the personal trainer.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us right now is high school's ex personal trainer,
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  Speaker 2: Troy Pia Dad, Troy, thank you for being with us. Troy.
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  Speaker 2: Does he have your address and phone number.
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  Speaker 7: As my phone number number? Address?
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  Speaker 2: You know you can reverse that on just online and
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  Speaker 2: find your address. You do know that, right?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 7: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: Surprise, because when this guy makes bond, if he makes
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  Speaker 2: bond in the next couple of hours, he's heading for
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  Speaker 2: Anybody's like a drowning rat on a ship. He's going
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  Speaker 2: to be grabbing for anything to hold on. So think
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  Speaker 2: about staying in a hotel a couple of days. Troy, Pa,
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  Speaker 2: dad is Sam Haskell, aka Junior's ex personal trainer. Okay, Troy,
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  Speaker 2: First of all, thank you for being with us. Second
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  Speaker 2: of all, tell me about the text where he says
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  Speaker 2: that he doesn't like the violent movies.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we used to, you know, since his dad was
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  Speaker 7: in a business and he actually aspired to be a filmmaker.
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  Speaker 7: We actually did a mock move at his house one time,
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  Speaker 7: and he used to talk a lot about movies, and
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  Speaker 7: he said, you know, the Crabber Prairie was a little
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  Speaker 7: too much for head in the stomach because he didn't
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  Speaker 7: like to chop the buddies, which might have what happened.
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  Speaker 7: I thought it was a little ironic.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, you were hearing Sam Haskell, the Force ex personal trainer.
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  Speaker 2: Why may I ask, are you the ex personal trainer?
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  Speaker 2: Not just because of the murders, but why did he
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  Speaker 2: stop training?
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  Speaker 7: I used to trade him at a place called Bally
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  Speaker 7: Total Fitness and Ntino, and they actually went out of business,
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  Speaker 7: so I stopped trading him around twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Troy, I've got a lot of questions about Sam Haskell
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  Speaker 2: at the time, you trained Haskell. Was he married to May?
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  Speaker 2: He was, unbeknownst to me, unbeknownst to you.
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  Speaker 7: What do you mean he never really talked about his
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  Speaker 7: wife or his kids. I didn't even know he had
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  Speaker 7: kids until the story came out.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, because I've heard that when you, Troy Pia Dad
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  Speaker 2: train somebody, it's very intense and it's not a thirty
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  Speaker 2: minute light jog on the treadmill. It's not just stretching.
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  Speaker 2: It's a serious training workout. So in all that time,
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  Speaker 2: he never mentioned that he was married with little boys.
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  Speaker 9: Nope.
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  Speaker 7: H He had mentioned maybe once in a while, but
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  Speaker 7: more in the and that she was like a girlfriend
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  Speaker 7: or he was that's out with her, but nothing serious.
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  Speaker 7: And he mostly stalked to You know, we did talk
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  Speaker 7: a lot about intimate things, but mostly about himself and
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  Speaker 7: about his life. Never really delve into that personal area.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, Troy, Troy, are you married? No?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not okay if and when you're in the market,
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  Speaker 2: what for somebody that doesn't talk about themselves all the time.
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  Speaker 2: It's like pulling a tooth to get my husband to
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  Speaker 2: talk about himself. We I have twins. They just turned sixteen. Troy,
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  Speaker 2: they're my world. We have to basically beg David to
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  Speaker 2: talk about himself. He talks about ideas, events, us, funny things.
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  Speaker 2: He hardly ever talks about himself. Same here, nobody wants
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  Speaker 2: to hear you drone on and on about yourself. So, Troy,
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  Speaker 2: what would he say about himself? What about him? He's
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  Speaker 2: not talking about his family, which I find very very unusual,
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  Speaker 2: but he acts like he's just quote messing around with
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  Speaker 2: May they're married. What would he talk about himself?
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  Speaker 7: Basically, like I said, he would talk about making movies
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  Speaker 7: are exposed to do with life. He was very much
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  Speaker 7: in his father's shadow.
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  Speaker 2: I think who whoa did he talk about that? Troy?
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you talk about that a lot.
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  Speaker 2: You mean in the context of being in his father's shadow.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, because he felt he never lived up to his expectations.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boo hoo. He's got a silver spoon and fork
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  Speaker 2: in his mouth and he's whining that he's in daddy's shadow.
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  Speaker 2: Then get the hay up off the sofa and go
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  Speaker 2: get a job. That's just a suggestion. Hey, Troy, you
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  Speaker 2: told me that he You and Haskell made a mock
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  Speaker 2: movie one. What is a mock movie in two What
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  Speaker 2: was it about?
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  Speaker 7: So what we did was he had cameras and we
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  Speaker 7: set them up in his backyard and myself and another
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  Speaker 7: personal trainer portrayed the bad guys, I guess you would say,
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  Speaker 7: and he was a good guy and it was like
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  Speaker 7: he had a briefcase and we were trying to obtain
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  Speaker 7: the briefcase from him. Just a little short movie that
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  Speaker 7: he used in class I believe at Pisa, and we
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  Speaker 7: filmed it in his backyard at his dad's house.
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  Speaker 2: Was this his idea?
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  Speaker 9: Of course, Troy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I know that you're very well respected personal
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  Speaker 2: trainer and that you just did this because high school
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  Speaker 2: I asked you to. But it kind of sounds like
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  Speaker 2: something my son would come up with where he and
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  Speaker 2: two of his friends do a video in the backyard,
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  Speaker 2: like maybe when he was nine or ten. So you're
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  Speaker 2: the bad guy and you're trying to get a briefcase
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  Speaker 2: and he's a good guy. Yeah, and that's a video.
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  Speaker 2: That's a Mike movie. Okay. I'm not in the movie business.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of that.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: To Miguel Melndez joining us senior writer entertainment tonight and hey, Troy,
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  Speaker 2: it ain't over yet. Don't move. We've all got questions
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  Speaker 2: for you. Miguel Melndez. Did this guy I've gotten to
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  Speaker 2: get to what's happening in court, but I'm so interested
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  Speaker 2: in everything Troy Pia Dad is telling me about this guy,
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  Speaker 2: Sam Haskell the Fourth aka Junior Migil Melndez. Did he
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  Speaker 2: ever actually work? Did he make a movie? Did he
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  Speaker 2: had some projects? Didn't he?
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  Speaker 3: If he's to be believed, that is what happened. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: these are things that that people have reported about based
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  Speaker 3: on what he himself has written on LinkedIn, on Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, Migil Melindez, so you can't find any credits? Nothing?
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  Speaker 3: I mean according to him, he worked on editing certain
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  Speaker 3: music videos, but none that I could find.
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  Speaker 9: Again, these are things that, yes, you.
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  Speaker 2: Actually are starting a sense with. According to him a
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  Speaker 2: ka Sam Haskell the Fourth, the mass killer. I doesn't
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  Speaker 2: believe what he.
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  Speaker 3: Says because nothing else is out there to cooperate that
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  Speaker 3: these things actually happened. So what we have here is
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  Speaker 3: what he himself has said, and whether that's actually happened,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's still up in the air.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me also is Troy slight high profile criminal defense
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  Speaker 2: attorney in this jurisdiction. Doctor Jory L. Crass's psychologist's former
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement faculty Saint Leo University consultant. Oh my goodness
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  Speaker 2: you your resume is so long, Doctor Jory, author of
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  Speaker 2: Operation SS. You can find him at doctor Jory dot com.
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  Speaker 2: His name is doctor Jory Crasin, but he lets me
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  Speaker 2: call him doctor Jury. Mike McCormick, owner and lead investigator
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  Speaker 2: mcm Investigations in LA and renowned medical examiner, longtime colleague.
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  Speaker 2: I believe we're friends. If we're not, don't tell me.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner, Terrance County. That's Fort Worth,
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  Speaker 2: never lack of business there. Lecturer University, Texas Austin and
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  Speaker 2: Texas Christian University Medical School. The reason I introduced all
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  Speaker 2: of you guys right now is because we all have
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  Speaker 2: questions for Troy pa Dodd, who knows Haskell and was
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  Speaker 2: his personal trainer for a period of time. So, Shroy
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  Speaker 2: p ad Att, we are hearing in the last days
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  Speaker 2: that Haskell had become paranoid. Did he act paranoid to you?
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  Speaker 7: Definitely at times during his training head you think people
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  Speaker 7: were persecuting him. He felt very.
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  Speaker 2: Admonistery peers, right, he thought people were persecuting him.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, I got a question this, doctor, Jordy.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: In workout, you know they have to get, of course,
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  Speaker 9: physically active and aggressive. You know, I mean, could you
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  Speaker 9: describe how his aggressive nature would develop in a workout?
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  Speaker 9: You know, the more energetic people get in their exercise
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  Speaker 9: routines and whatever their assignment is, they start to show
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  Speaker 9: a peak level of aggression.
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  Speaker 7: Did you observe that in him?
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  Speaker 9: Yes?
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  Speaker 7: What Sam would do he would antagonize other members of
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  Speaker 7: the club because he knew that.
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  Speaker 9: He was with me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, I've got I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting multiple messages from Jackie about a potential movie. He
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  Speaker 2: may have filmed some project. What did you just say
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  Speaker 2: about antagonizing other people in the gym?
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  Speaker 7: He was antagonize of a client because he knew that
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  Speaker 7: no one was going to do anything while he was
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  Speaker 7: with me.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean by antagonize you mean trash talking them?
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  Speaker 2: What how antagonize them?
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  Speaker 7: It was a lot of Middle We're in Tanzana, so
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  Speaker 7: we have a very large Middle Eastern population. He would
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  Speaker 7: make fun of the way they talked or you know,
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  Speaker 7: you'd talk about he'd make racial jokes.
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  Speaker 2: In what world is that? Okay? I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: You've got minorities that are already having hard enough time
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  Speaker 2: making it as it is without Sam Haskell, the fourth
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  Speaker 2: millionaire bratt mocking them. What did you do?
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  Speaker 9: Well?
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  Speaker 7: Many times I had to take them and let him
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  Speaker 7: know that if he was going to continue to be
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  Speaker 7: I couldn't drink him.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm so proud of you. You know why
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  Speaker 2: that's good because a lot of people that were getting
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  Speaker 2: money from this guy, a millionaire, well known, would have
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  Speaker 2: just ignored it. Speaking of I want you all to
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  Speaker 2: hear something that junior Sam Haskell the fourth posted our
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  Speaker 2: number fourteen.
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  Speaker 10: Jack like my resume says unhappy, bitter, resentful. Now I'm
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  Speaker 10: consistently never going to stop drinking.
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  Speaker 11: Shout out to.
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  Speaker 10: The waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums for just like
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  Speaker 10: completely burning out of my filet like, what kind of
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  Speaker 10: a monster are you?
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  Speaker 9: Homie?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? I nearly spit up just then twice in a row.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, when Troy Pia Dodd was talking about
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  Speaker 2: racial jokes Haskell would make and I paid a dollar
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  Speaker 2: for this and I don't want to bit up even
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  Speaker 2: when to drop at my McDonald's coffee. But did I
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  Speaker 2: just hear Jackie like my resume says unhappy, bit or resentful.
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  Speaker 2: That should make anybody run for the heels, as if
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  Speaker 2: they had seen a monster. I'm consistently never going to
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  Speaker 2: stop drinking. Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant
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  Speaker 2: above North Troms who completely burned, and he curses my
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  Speaker 2: filet like, what kind of a monster are you, homie?
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  Speaker 2: This totally entitled brat is calling somebody a homie. Miguel
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  Speaker 2: Melendez help me? What is the restaurant on top of
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  Speaker 2: norse trums? Don't you know this guy drove them? Absolutely insane?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, just hearing what he said, it just screams
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  Speaker 3: that he was utterly out of touch with with reality.
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  Speaker 2: It's driving me to curse and drink, neither of which
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  Speaker 2: I try to avoid both studiously. But really, he burned
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  Speaker 2: the I guess the f out of file like, what
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  Speaker 2: kind of monster are you? Homie? Really?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it just screams to to what people have
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  Speaker 3: said about him, that he gives off these creepy vies,
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  Speaker 3: these Jeffrey Dahmer vibes. And meanwhile, you see him act
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  Speaker 3: like this on social media. He's active on social media,
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  Speaker 3: or at least he was, and it kind of just
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  Speaker 3: makes your mind. It makes you scratch your head and
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  Speaker 3: how you connect the person that he being described by
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  Speaker 3: neighbors and former friends and how he acted on social media,
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  Speaker 3: which which is very unbecoming for sure, Nancy Troy Slade
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  Speaker 3: in here.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Troy, I want you to hear something
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  Speaker 2: before you jump. This may alter your opinion. I'm playing
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  Speaker 2: Sam Haskell the Fourth himself. Troy, can you let's do
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  Speaker 2: thirty three and thirty four, so I'll just start with
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  Speaker 2: thirty three. Jack, this is him on TikTok CD.
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  Speaker 10: Is not about wellness for me, I'm trying to get retarded.
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  Speaker 11: He's one hundred, Jill.
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  Speaker 2: This is a grown man. I'm trying to get retarded.
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  Speaker 2: Let's you're thirty.
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  Speaker 10: Four tah conference real quick, you guys by mistake, and
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  Speaker 10: the number one thing they talked about.
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  Speaker 11: Was consistency, Like, be consistent.
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  Speaker 10: Now, I'm consistently never going to stop drinking, Troy.
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  Speaker 2: I've got so many more. But you know, when you
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  Speaker 2: meet people and all they talk about is how much
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  Speaker 2: they're going to drink this coming weekend and how they
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  Speaker 2: got well, I'm quoting face last weekend drinking. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a shrink, but that says something to me, Troy. That's
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  Speaker 2: all they have to talk about.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: Fancy. This is a sad attempt at humor, at satire,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: at trying to be relevant, trying to get clicks, trying
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: to get views, trying to be trying to be relevant.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: This is I think that the whole thing about the
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: north Strom steak, about drinking, about the way that he's
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: this is a sad attempt at humor. I don't think
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: that any of this is to be taken seriously. This
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: was obviously all tongue in cheek, and I don't think
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: that any prosecutor in their right mind would try and
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: put this in front of a jury to say that
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: this is what he was actually thinking, that this is
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: what his actual attitude towards life was.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Well, how about Troy Piadodd, his personal trainer? Is this him?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Is this the way he talked and act? I mean,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: you've told me he made racial comments to people at
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: the gym, to Middle Eastern people at the gym, So
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: it sounds to me like that is his personality.
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: No, I think Troy was actually right on point. Him
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: was very troubled and very insecure with himself, so he
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: would put out this this hor but it was all
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: just an act. He was just a scared little boy.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Well, when you say a scared little boy, maybe he
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: seemed like a scared little boy to you because you're
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: a bulked up personal trainer. What about to why May
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: and his in laws? The mother in law cooked for them,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: she was living there because she had had a stroke.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: She cleaned up and cooked for him like a servant.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: And then the father in law. We can't find their bodies.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: So while Troy Slayton goes on and on about how
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: it's an act and I'm hearing he's a scared little boy,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: that's that's not true because according to police, he murdered
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: and dismembered his wife and we can't find the bodies
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: of his in laws. To doctor Jory Crawsen, you're the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: shrink way in.
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: Wow, there's so much here, you know. One of the
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: things again, looking at the behavior, you could tell you know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: Troy was good on documenting that. When he's in an
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: environment like around Troy, where he feels safe, you know,
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: he's going to kind of lash out. But you also see,
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: like there was a report there at a party, one
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: of the neighbor's reported work. You know, he would always
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: kind of withdraw, he wouldn't really engage with people. So
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: you know, that kind of leaves that's a schizoy type personality,
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: and that kind of leaves them to their own thoughts,
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: you know. And I'm following kind again, the behavior and
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: the patterns that they win follow. If he's looking at
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: these what I call slasher movies or these you know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: very violent movies, those are numinating thoughts in his mind,
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: and he could model that behavior. I mean, you know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: cutting up bodies like that, that's a very unusual behavior.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, and you know what, Okay, go ahead
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and laugh, don't care. But this is what I always say.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: You invite the devil comes to your door, slamm it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: If you invite him in for dinner, next thing, you know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: he's going to be spending the night, that's right, And
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: he's going to just move into your home and into
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: your conscience and into your heart and into your mind.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: In other words, what you do someoney said the other
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: day we were talking about coburger Coburger, Brian Coburger, because
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: the state wants all of his clicks, like what he
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: was looking at on Amazon and everywhere, and somebody on
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: the air I can't take credit for it said the
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: clicks are the window to your soul something like that.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: That's your personality. And I agree with that. What you
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: search online, what you do, how you spend your time,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: that's what you love and that's who you are. And
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: speaking of who you are, take a list. Now we're
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: cut thirty five.
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: So it's like a big vampire move, like pull up
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: an escalade outside Paul Wesley's grobe. Kids are like, Dad,
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: where's mom going? What's mom doing? She's just like, Oh,
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: she's gonna go show with Brad. She's gonna go show
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: with Brad Pitt for a while, maybe go to a concert.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: What is he talking about? That's tragic streets. Let's take
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: us to thirty six more of Sam Haskell from The
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Horse's Mouth.
• 23:59
  Speaker 11: Talking on AirPod. It's just talking randomly with like nobody
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: in the other end. It just feels important, order multiple
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: drinks and I'll just be like, oh, yeah, they're on
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: their way, So.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I guess that's pretending he's having people joining him, pretending
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: to talk on his EarPods and ordering too many drinks,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: pretending people are joining him a facade. Okay, and let's
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: hear thirty seven. We're all listening to Sam Haskell in
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: his own words.
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: Do you see me typing really fast, like looking really
• 24:32
  Speaker 11: productive on my laptop? Just like typing typing? Chances are
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: I'm just typing random letters and numbers.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know what all of this means. It sounds
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Miguel Melinda is joining us from entertainment tonight. That everything
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: is about appearances. He wants to look like he has
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: friends joining him. He wants to look like he's having
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: an important conversation. He wants to look like he's typing
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: furiously being productive on his laptop. Instead he's typing randomness,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: numbers and letters. But everything we're saying, he managed to
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: murder and dismember wife May and get rid of his
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: in laws bodies, according to police. Somehow he's apparently outsmart
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: in the police.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what any of this means
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: and what his activity entailed on social media and how
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: it should be interpreted. What I do know that, well,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: what I should say is I can't imagine the prosecutors
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: are looking at those videos and think that this is
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: what's going to.
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: Make their case.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: What's going to make their case, according to prosecutors, is
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: the evidence that's already at hand, the CC footage of
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: him dumping what appeared to be the torso in the dumpster,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: the day laborers who spoke to police and said that
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: they found body parts and a belly button in those
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: bags and that they were hired by Haskell to dispose
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: of these bags, and also cops entering the home the
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: next day on November seventh, and finding what they say
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: is blood evidence to suggest that he did the dismember
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: these bodies. And while those two bodies remain missing, Mayle's
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: parents bodies remain missing.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Coon believe that he.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Dismembered and disposed these bodies. So these are the things
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: that they're going to be looking at. This is the
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: evidence that they're going to rely on top of whatever
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: else is out there. I don't know that these videos
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: that he's posted on social media have any substance for
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: them to make this case.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Right now, correct me if I'm wrong, Migail. He's the
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Twin Towers Correctional Facility referred to in the media as
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the Twin Towers jail. Is that correct?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I believe you're correct.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: It's the world's largest jail and also is the nation's
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: largest mental health facility. There's two towers, a medical services building,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and the La County Medical Center jail ward it's nearly
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: two million square feet. Question regarding visitation, Miguel, do we
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: know if he's had visitors?
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: I do not know that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: We know that they have a very very special way
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: of preparing food, a cook and chill process. They have
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: two coal meals and one hot meal every day. They
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: have tons of amenities and I'm just looking at many
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: of their menus. Nobody's cooking for me tonight, but we
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: are providing three hots and a cop for Haskell. I
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: want to go back to what we have found in
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the home and how we're going to find the two
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: missing bodies, but very quickly. Miguil Melendez, what do you
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: expect to happen in court?
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I expect that it will. He will be quickly arraigned.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: My guess is he will not be let out on bond.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: But like you said, this is this is Hollywood. This
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: is Hollywood. You know, stranger things have happened.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: We'll wait and see so very quickly, Troy Slaton, I
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: want to get to how we're going to find the
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: two dead bodies or what's left of them. We know
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: he dismembered one victim according to police, but in regular
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: people taught Troy Slaighton, what is going to happen at
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the arraignment?
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Well, the arraignment is simply the fancy legal word for
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: hearing what the charges are against you and entering a plea.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: So he's going to be advised of his constitutional rights
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: and he's going to enter a plea of not guilty,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: and that will start the entire pre trial process, lean
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: up to a preliminary hearing and eventually a trial. If
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: there's not a plea bargain to be had. In the
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: case he's charged with three murders, the bond is not
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: likely to be allowed, so he'll be held without bond.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: This is a special circumstances murder. And although what a
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: very smart criminal defense attorney will bring up the corpus
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: delecti rule, which means body of the crime in California
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: and in all other states, a rule that we brought
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: over from England from the sixteenth century. Is that you
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: can't have a confession alone. You can't have the thought
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: alone that somebody is missing. To prove up the crime,
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: You've got to prove that a crime occurred and that
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: there's actual evidence of it.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure this is an echo chamber because
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of our program I stated that in
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: our jurisprudence, common law, you can't prove the case just
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: on a confession. There has to be something to corroborate it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: So let's talk about that. Joining me following up on
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: what Troy Slayton accurately said doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Terrence County. If in fact the parents the in laws
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: have been murdered, and we know that may has been murdered,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: it's been proven that is for torso through DNA, what
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: would you expect to find in the home? I understand
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: there is a great deal of blood evidence in the home.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: So doctor Kendall crowns, how much blood would it take
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to be found at the scene for me to be
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: convinced that the in laws, weighing sixty four and least
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: seventy one are in fact dead.
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: So usually in your body you have about three to
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: four liters of blood circulating at any time. So if
• 30:31
  Speaker 12: you lose.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Could you please speak in ounces and gallons?
• 30:35
  Speaker 12: A gallon a half is in your body, so if
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: you lose like half a gallon, it's pretty significant and
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: can you can go into shock and die. So if
• 30:45
  Speaker 12: they see a large amount of blood that would be
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: around a half a gallon, maybe do a gallon in
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: the carpet, on the floor or anywhere in the building.
• 30:54
  Speaker 12: So there would be significant for an individual to have
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: been bled out and die.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: And doctor Kendall Crowns, isn't it true? Then, no matter
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: how much you clean and how smart you think, you are,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: very rarely if a boy, if someone has been murdered
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and dismembered in a home, are you going to get
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: rid of all the blood?
• 31:13
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that is very true. It's very difficult to clean
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: up the entire scene, especially when there's been a dismemberment.
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: People often think that they can make it go away,
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: but it won't feel still have blood everywhere or in
• 31:26
  Speaker 12: the nooks and crannies and the grouse, et cetera. It's
• 31:30
  Speaker 12: never completely cleaned.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Prime stories with me, it's a grace to you.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Troy Pia Dodd joining us. This is Sam Haskell for
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: AKA Junior's personal trainer, former personal trainer Troy. When you're
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: hearing us talk about how much bloods in a body,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: what evidence is in the home. We can't find the
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: in laws, we find the wife, Mays Tors, so only
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: where are her legs and arms? Where's her head? Is
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: it difficult for you to reconcile the person you know
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: is charged with these crimes.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: It's very difficult, Dancy, because not only does it you
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: know a doctor I said, take a certain type of
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: mentality to do that. I just didn't see it in himy.
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: I mean, I know he was disturbed. The level of
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: disturbed just doesn't farly. I mean, you know, I can
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: sit here and listen to say it, and I can
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: and demonize, but he's always going to be just you know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: like I said, he was one hundred and fifty pounds,
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: so can we. I mean, he wasn't a physical day.
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: He wasn't. That's why he came to me. That's why
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: he wanted to be bigger. But as a person, I
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: mean to me, I have no fear whatsoever Sam has
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: behind him. I just can't see him doing something like this.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: But isn't that so often the way that we could
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: not envision it? Joining me? Mike McCormick, owner at lead
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: investigator mc in Investigations MCM Investigations in La former LAPD
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: over twenty five years. Mike McCormick, we're acting like there
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: are not two people's bodies missing. They're dead. They were
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: likely killed in the same home where May was killed.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Do I have to say Patrick Frazy? Patrick Frazy the
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: fiance from Hell who murdered his fiance Kelsey Beareth. Her
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: body has never been found, but her teeth and blood
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: were found in her condo. Jeffrey Dahmer. Yes, somebody parts
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: were found, but other victims body were never found. We
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: think they were dismembered, ground up and disposed of. The
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: only thing that saved that case in those counts anyway,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: we're polaroids and other Inndisha, the victims had been in
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the home. Those bodies have never been found, Mike McCormick.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: So a case can be proven without a body? Number one,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: how are we going to do it? And number two?
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Where do you believe I can find the bodies?
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Well, they're probably in another dumpster somewhere, or we're in
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: another dumpster.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: That's smart because when you don't know a horse, look
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: at his track record. Go ahead, right, So.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: They're going to determine by the blood evidence in the
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: home itself who the blood all that blood belongs to.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: It's not that hard. Look, it's not that hard for
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: these texts that they are incredible to go into a massive,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the bloody crime scene and they can differentiate. If they
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: collect the evidence correctly at the lad they can tell
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: the different DNA's in the blood, they will be able
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: to find the in laws blood.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's correct. The bodies. Those bodies were probably
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: dumped at another location that they're not aware of. And uh,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: the that I would assume that the police would have
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: gathered video from the from point A to point B
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: to see what you may have made and where else
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: he might have dumped the other two bodies.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: So to you, Troy Piadodd, this is Haskell's former personal trainer.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I know that you said it's hard to reconcile what
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: you're hearing with the guy that you knew so so
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: very well as your client. Troy Piadodd, tell me what
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: did you learn he would do when he was not training?
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I'm curious about. Did he go for long jogs? Did
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: he have a place out in the country where he visited.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Was there a particular lake where he fished? I mean,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: this is what I'm getting at, Troy. People often hide
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: bodies in a place with which they're familiar, and I
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: use this example, although there's so many to pick from.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Scott Peterson, what did he do with Lacy and Connor's bodies?
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: He dumped them in his fishing hole where he always
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: fished San Francisco Bay and that's where they turned up.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: So where did this guy hang out? What did he
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: do all the time? Troy piaded.
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: Well, basically, like you said, he had no employment. He
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: never worked, so he would basically drive around LA and
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: bring coffee and that's about it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I'm very, very curious. Their whole relationship that he had
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: with May was unusual. Take a listen to their May's
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: friend and neighbor. This is al been and me, let's
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: go with friend too.
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: Just from observing them, I would say that they weren't close.
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: They didn't have anywhere near a close, you know, a
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: close relationship. I would definitely not call it that. Never
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: seen them be affectionate with each other. They never went
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: on date nights. She never mentioned them going on a date.
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: I never observed them going out anywhere together. They didn't
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: go on vacations together. So she would go on vacation
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: with her children and her parents, and he typically went
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: on solo trips I think, typically to Japan. According to Make,
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: some of them were work related for filming. They both,
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: for example, like to take walks in the neighborhood. I
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: never saw them take a walk together, going.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: On separate vacations, never doing anything together. And Troy Piadodd
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: has confirmed that by telling me and all the time
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: he worked with Haskell, Haskell pretended May was just a
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: girl who was quote messing with What does that mean?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Is that probative? Does it really prove anything? Troy Slayton,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: high profile criminal defense attorney in LA. I don't know
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: that it does prove anything that I could introduce a trial,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: but I want to know it anyway.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Now it seems circumstantial in it really has no probitive
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: value as to whether or not he is committed those
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: murders that he's alleged to have committed. In a court
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: of lag, Nancy the judge, as the gatekeeper, has to
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: decide what's relevant, and what's completely not relevant, like those
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: stupid TikTok videos and Instagram posts they made that really
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: have nothing to do with anything as to whether or
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: not he committed the murder of these three people.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: We don't know that until we listen to them. And
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: that is how you win cases, by going through every
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: piece of evidence, sifting through it with a fine tooth
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: comb until you find something primitive. Of course, everything you
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: just said is correct. Troy Slayton, doctor Kendall, Crown's Chief
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Medical Examiner, Tarrant County. How difficult is it to dismember
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: a body? Hey, when you go to the grocery store,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: do you go buy a whole chicken?
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: No?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: You get them cut up? Why? Because it's hard to
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: dismember even a chicken to cook. Just go buy the
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: bonus thighs for Pete's sake. How hard is it to
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: dismember a body?
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: It can be very difficult, especially if you don't go
• 39:38
  Speaker 12: for the joint spaces. Oh, much like dismembering a chicken.
• 39:41
  Speaker 12: If you go to the join spaces, it's easy to
• 39:44
  Speaker 12: cut the wings off, the legs off, et cetera. Shame
• 39:47
  Speaker 12: on a human being if you go for the joint spaces.
• 39:50
  Speaker 12: You can part them down into smaller parts, but if
• 39:53
  Speaker 12: you go for like the midshaft of the femur or
• 39:56
  Speaker 12: the leg bone, it's incredibly difficult. If you use a hack,
• 40:00
  Speaker 12: takes quite a while, so you have to kind of
• 40:03
  Speaker 12: know what you're doing or otherwise it's a very tedious,
• 40:06
  Speaker 12: lengthy process that a lot of people aren't successful at.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, have you ever handled an autopsy where
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: a body had been completely or partially dismembered?
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, they have.
• 40:17
  Speaker 12: It comes up occasionally when individuals are dumpsters or et cetera. Yes,
• 40:24
  Speaker 12: we get those periodically dismembers, especially with the cartel.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: You know, I would ask more, but I don't know
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: that I'm ready for it. Doctor Jory Crawsen, needless to say,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: it takes a certain mindset to not only commit a
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: murder but then dismember the body. And I think that
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: may be why we haven't found mister Leeg of Shawn
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Lee and his wife Yang Shong Wang. I think that
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: they were dismembered. Why do I say that, Because if
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: you don't know what somebody's going to do, you look
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: at what they've already done. And I know he dismembered.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: May the mindset it must have taken to dismember three
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: murder victims, well, he's you know.
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: The mindset is crucial. But if you look at you know,
• 41:11
  Speaker 9: he plays roles very well, and if he assumes a
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: role of like you know, the movies he was watching
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: at the time where this took place, it could be accomplished.
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: The one key factor I noticed here is that it
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: personalities can kind of what I call bassol fall apart.
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: You know, calling some handyman and paying them money to
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: get rid of the body just seems like, you know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: that's where his organizational thought of this memory body and
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: all of this, I mean his his he wasn't futuristically
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: thinking considering those consequences, even with him taking the body
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: part and putting in it a dumpster himself. I mean,
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: if the other two bodies are that well, you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: concealed somewhere, and even if they were dismembered, there seemed
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: to be some kind of organational thought there that kind
• 42:06
  Speaker 9: of was not present with the behavior we're seeing.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Well, doctor Jory Craulsin, I think you're completely correct. However,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: lack of planning is not a defense.
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: Lucky for me it is, I know, but psychologically we
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: look for that.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Troy, Pia Dodd. If you could speak and
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Haskell could hear you, what would you say to him?
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: I'd ask him, you know what was what happened? I
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: want to know, you know what went on with him
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: and his life and Adnaly that was so horrible that
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: he had to commit to use a treasure attact.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Just think, Troy, every day you worked out with him,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: you were that close to a killer and never suspected.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: We wait as justice un false. Goodbye friend,