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Ep. 688: MeatEater Radio Live! Our Biggest Catches, Endangered Orcas, and Fishing for Treasure · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell Us.
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  Speaker 2: Now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
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  Speaker 3: That's one pm for our friends in Lincolnton, Georgia on Thursday,
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  Speaker 3: April tenth, and we're live for Meat Eater, HQ and Bozeman.
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  Speaker 3: I'm your host, Spencer new Art, joined today by Jannis
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  Speaker 3: Butellus and Brody Henderson. On today's show, we'll interview Stephanie
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  Speaker 3: Raymond from the Orca Network about one of the world's
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  Speaker 3: most endangered whales. After that, we'll do one minute fishing
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  Speaker 3: with our friends at Trout Unlimited, followed by the top
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  Speaker 3: three biggest fish we've ever landed, and finally we'll talk
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  Speaker 3: to James Kine about the day he caught one hundred
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  Speaker 3: thousand dollars while magnet fishing. Lincolnton, Georgia is a place
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  Speaker 3: I visited last year while attending the Masters. It's Master's
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  Speaker 3: Week right now. I had one of the most unique
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  Speaker 3: dining experiences of my life there.
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  Speaker 4: It was it was.
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  Speaker 3: So southern that I couldn't believe that it was real.
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  Speaker 3: It's called Papa's Old South. You went into a little
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  Speaker 3: trailer house, and you ate from their buffet of all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of Southern fried foods. It was so satisfying. If
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  Speaker 3: you live in Georgia, if you're ever attending the Masters,
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  Speaker 3: make the drive to Lincolnton to visit Papa's Old South.
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  Speaker 3: But I got one master's story to tell you, because
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  Speaker 3: the Master's teed off today.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on before you tell us that, tell me what
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  Speaker 2: you ate there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, everything they had, every protein was fried, so like
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  Speaker 3: fried chicken that was delicious. They're corn bread that was great,
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  Speaker 3: and then carrat fish of course, they had catfish. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they had Mountain jiganafish.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They would shame you if you didn't take enough on
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  Speaker 3: your plate. It was that kind of place. And maybe
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  Speaker 3: that sort of experience is more common than I'm aware of.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just ignorant to like how Southern folks treat
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  Speaker 3: you and how just dang nice they are and how
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  Speaker 3: excited they are about their food. But go to Papa's
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  Speaker 3: Old South. I loved it. I can't believe it exists
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. And then the other best thing
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  Speaker 3: was the dessert. It was a cherry pie, I believe.
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  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, we were in there with all the good
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  Speaker 3: church going folks while we were head to the Masters.
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  Speaker 3: How much was this buf fey I don't know, probably
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  Speaker 3: like twenty bucks or something. The price didn't feel very
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  Speaker 3: Southern that that made sense to me as I, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's relatable. The rest of it was very different though,
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  Speaker 3: what Master's story to tell you. You know our friend
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  Speaker 3: Brian Harmon, who's been on Trivia, he's been on the
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  Speaker 3: Regular Mediater podcast. We were there on a practice day,
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  Speaker 3: which is when things are like less serious than the
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  Speaker 3: actual tournament, so you can there's like a little more
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  Speaker 3: leeway for the patrons. They call them patrons. You're not
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  Speaker 3: a fan when you're there because you're not fanatical, you're
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  Speaker 3: just like very respectful and you're a patron.
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  Speaker 5: They have all kinds of vocabulary things they have to say.
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  Speaker 5: It's very different. It's not the rough. It's a second cut.
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  Speaker 5: I can't say rough.
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  Speaker 3: It's very different. I'm glad it exists in that one place.
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  Speaker 3: If the entire golf world was like that, I'd be like,
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  Speaker 3: this is so pretentious, it's disgusting. But having it exist
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  Speaker 3: in that one sort of place once a year, I
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  Speaker 3: enjoyed that anyway. Brian Harmon. He was on the first
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  Speaker 3: practice day. I was with a few buddies and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, do you think he'd like look over if
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  Speaker 3: I made a little turkey call. There are no turkeys
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  Speaker 3: that live on Augusta. But he was probably seventy five
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  Speaker 3: yards away, and there are hundreds of people around at
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  Speaker 3: this point. You're hearing birds all day long, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: let's watch this. And so I'm did that. Sure enough,
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  Speaker 3: his head turned on a swivel over to my direction.
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  Speaker 3: No one else though, in this crowd of hundreds of people,
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  Speaker 3: acknowledged it. That was just very satisfying. That's why I'll
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  Speaker 3: always cheer for Brian Harmon.
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  Speaker 2: So there is a lot of birds.
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  Speaker 5: They don't pipe in the bird noises, you know what.
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  Speaker 3: You don't see a lot of birds. You hear a
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  Speaker 3: lot of birds, and a conspiracy theorists would tell you that, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there are speakers around that you can't see. I I
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  Speaker 3: would bet there are speakers piping in some of those
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  Speaker 3: other tournaments have been busted for doing exactly that. But
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  Speaker 3: that place, yeah, that place is so manicured. Like you
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  Speaker 3: stand under a tree and you look up and you
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  Speaker 3: see that all of the branches off of the main
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  Speaker 3: trunk are like tied with some wire to each other,
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  Speaker 3: because every little blade of grass, every leaf, is so
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  Speaker 3: impeccably placed and thoughtful that that nothing escapes them as
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  Speaker 3: far as what this place should look like, smell, likes,
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  Speaker 3: sound like. So if they were piping in bird noises,
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  Speaker 3: that would not surprise me.
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  Speaker 4: Brody.
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  Speaker 2: The epitome of cleaning up the woods, it's oh, it's.
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  Speaker 5: Wid That's what it is, the natural environment.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh, well no, I'm saying it's it's not. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, my uh my elders, you know, my my
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  Speaker 2: the generation of my dad's parents, and so they were
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  Speaker 2: like my great uncles and whatever. They were big into that,
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  Speaker 2: like when they had little cat when they had little cabins, cottages, whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: Like that was the thing they did. I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: were just working people. They loved to work. So they
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  Speaker 2: would go up to their cabin instead of just like
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  Speaker 2: laying around drinking beer getting sun. They would work and
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  Speaker 2: they would do things like clean up, clean out all
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  Speaker 2: the you know seaweed, not seaweed, but whatever, you know
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  Speaker 2: plant was growing in the pond, sure, or go into
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  Speaker 2: the woods and literally rake the woods clean, right, And
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  Speaker 2: it was just like in their mind they're beautifying, right,
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  Speaker 2: And let mean a lot of people do that now.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, let me look at lawns. I mean that's sure.
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  Speaker 2: People love to manicure. Oh man, like you means love
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  Speaker 2: that look?
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  Speaker 5: Nature really doesn't. I worked on a golf court ground
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  Speaker 5: crew all through high school and college, and this time
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  Speaker 5: of year in the north, they're like way past this
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  Speaker 5: down where the Masters is going on. But like when
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  Speaker 5: it was first time to go to work in the spring,
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  Speaker 5: that's all we did was pick up sticks off the ground,
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  Speaker 5: Like hours and hours.
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  Speaker 3: Of picking up stick What other work did you do
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  Speaker 3: for the golf course? Would you like spreading.
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  Speaker 5: Grounds? Threw everything?
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  Speaker 3: And did you ever swing a golf club in those days?
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  Speaker 5: Once in a while we'd dick around. But like I'm
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  Speaker 5: just like, you know.
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  Speaker 3: What about your peers working there? Were they not like
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  Speaker 3: deeply no love with golf.
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  Speaker 5: No, like guys like we had a little like crew
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  Speaker 5: of friends that worked out on the course and.
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  Speaker 2: There was a job.
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  Speaker 5: It was a job, but it was a cool job
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  Speaker 5: because it started five or six in the morning, be
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  Speaker 5: done like the latest we'd work. It was too the
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  Speaker 5: rest of the day to do what you.
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  Speaker 3: Want was that covered in turkeys?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, that course. What we used to hunt on that
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  Speaker 5: golf course because we were like buddies with the dude,
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  Speaker 5: the brothers that owned that course. So we'd now and
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  Speaker 5: then hunt on that golf course.
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  Speaker 3: That that'd be a dream permission to get is on
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  Speaker 3: a golf course something not Augusta though, No turkey's there.
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  Speaker 3: But for Brian Harmon, he thought for two seconds that
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  Speaker 3: there was so cheer for him this week.
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  Speaker 2: I think you actually like hunting the golf course, would I? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. If you're out there and you got permission, or
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  Speaker 3: you own a golf course, you're a manager at a
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  Speaker 3: golf course, and that place is covered up in deer,
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  Speaker 3: you let me know. I'll come hunt that thing for you.
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  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you like it? That's no different than hunting
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  Speaker 3: a cornfield.
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  Speaker 2: No, it is a lot different.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 5: I'm kind of leaning with if you're in to compare
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  Speaker 5: it to a cornfield, it ain't that much different.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, them deer being deer when they're out on a
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  Speaker 3: golf course.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I also like the idea of hunting them in a
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  Speaker 3: unique spot. I've never gotten to do an urban hunt.
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  Speaker 3: I've lived in places out of at urban hunts that
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  Speaker 3: I like haven't drawn the tag. That would be a
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  Speaker 3: unique experience. Then I would also embrace if you're, you know,
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  Speaker 3: forty yards off someone's back patio, boy, that'd be fun.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to spend the
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  Speaker 3: rest of my life hunting golf courses.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess for an experience, I would do it.
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  Speaker 2: It just would seem that for me aesthetically, it wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be as pleasing as hunting in the woods.
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  Speaker 3: We're not disagreeing there. If you've got a golf course
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  Speaker 3: that you can let me hunt you some golf courses
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of woods that one that I worked on, Johnny,
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  Speaker 3: is your line season over with?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 2: I've got like there's like four days left in the season.
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  Speaker 2: Season ends on the fourteenth, which is next Monday.
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  Speaker 3: But does it feel like it's over with when there's
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  Speaker 3: four days left? Or is it like still good hunting conditions?
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  Speaker 7: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: It's it's tough for hunting conditions. I don't mind them.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's it's good for the dog. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: definitely go out at least one more day this weekend,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, there's probably a lot of people that
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  Speaker 2: have given up by now, a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of folks, you know, because of snow, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or just you know, it's like anything. It's like Turkey season.
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  Speaker 2: If it's a six week long Turkey season, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's sure ninety percent of the people are out there
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  Speaker 2: in the first week, and then the numbers just atrophy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, from there on out. I imagine the same
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  Speaker 2: thing happened. I mean, I know what happens with the
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  Speaker 2: elk season. Imagine. I mean, our season is I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: five months long. So yeah, but it's you know, obviously
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  Speaker 2: the animals are still out there and you can still
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  Speaker 2: catch them, and you don't necessarily need to have fresh snow.
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  Speaker 2: Fresh snow makes it easier to find the original track.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, we had a tough hunt the other day
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  Speaker 2: where Mingus just ran a lot of trash, which I
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  Speaker 2: don't really like that term, but that basically means when
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  Speaker 2: he's running anything besides what he's supposed to be running.
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  Speaker 3: And give me an example of fox.
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  Speaker 2: Sure fox kyo deer and he was in with another
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  Speaker 2: pack of dogs. And I'm not blaming that other pack,
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  Speaker 2: but similar to humans, you get into a group and
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  Speaker 2: the mentality changes about what individuals can do and what
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  Speaker 2: the group can do. And yeah, he gets caught up
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  Speaker 2: in that and does what they call a lot of
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  Speaker 2: booger barking, which I was thinking about where that comes from,
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  Speaker 2: and I was thinking, maybe they it's like a term
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  Speaker 2: for being like, oh yeah, they're they're literally instead of
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  Speaker 2: smelling the scent on the ground of a lion, he's
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  Speaker 2: literally smelling his own boogers and barking at them. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know where that came.
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  Speaker 3: When I hear that, I think of like a turkey
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  Speaker 3: hont getting boogered, just like things went wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, so I would definitely like to go out and
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  Speaker 2: finish on a little bit better note, because right now,
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  Speaker 2: when I came upstairs this morning, I saw Mangus crawling
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  Speaker 2: out of his bed looking at me, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you're a piece of shit dog.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow. Okay, well, he's got four days to redeem himself.
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  Speaker 3: And after that, Yannie, you give us a full recap
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  Speaker 3: a lot of season here on media radio.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll come back and tell you I had a
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  Speaker 2: successful hunt a couple of weeks ago, but I imagine
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  Speaker 2: we burned up our time for me to tell you
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  Speaker 2: about that one.
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  Speaker 3: I have a fear that we have. All right, let's
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  Speaker 3: get to our first caller. Joining us on the line
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  Speaker 3: now is Stephanie Raymond, the program manager from the Orca Network.
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  Speaker 3: Stephanie is here to educate us about one of the
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  Speaker 3: world's most endangered animals, the Southern resident orcas. Stephanie, Welcome
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  Speaker 3: to the show.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks so much for having me. I'm happy to be here.
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  Speaker 3: First. Thank Stephanie. Tell us about what makes southern resident
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  Speaker 3: orcas different from the other fifty thousand killer whales that
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  Speaker 3: live in our oceans.
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  Speaker 8: Well, so, yeah, Orcas are one of the most widely
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  Speaker 8: distributed mammals on the planets. On the face of it,
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  Speaker 8: it might seem like there are plenty of them out there,
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  Speaker 8: but the different populations of orcas around the world have
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  Speaker 8: very different characteristics. And we used to call these different ecotypes,
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  Speaker 8: but now we're starting to regard them as separate species.
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  Speaker 8: And just last fall, the Southern resident orcas were designated
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  Speaker 8: as their own specific species. Oh interesting relative to the
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  Speaker 8: wider population also the bigs orcas. So there's two different
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  Speaker 8: orcas in the Saleor's Sea that share that ecosystem, but
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  Speaker 8: they do not interact in any way, and both of
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  Speaker 8: them have been designated their own specific species.
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  Speaker 5: Now who Spencer and I are arguing about this earlier
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  Speaker 5: and like I'm a lumper and obviously he's a splitter.
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  Speaker 5: Like like how like who's deciding their different species? And
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  Speaker 5: how has that decided? And like, you know a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people would look at them, Yeah, as one species.
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  Speaker 8: There is some formal body and I don't know their
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  Speaker 8: precise title who gets to decide this stuff? But the
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  Speaker 8: reason it was the decision was made is that, you know,
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  Speaker 8: for about twenty years now, there has been research about
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  Speaker 8: the genetic differences between these groups and the the behavioral differences,
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  Speaker 8: the vocalization differences. So these different populations of orcas around
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  Speaker 8: the world have really different characteristics. Each group has unique
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  Speaker 8: vocals and culture, They have behavior that's learned from their mothers.
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  Speaker 8: Each has a specialized diet depending on what's available to
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  Speaker 8: them in that that environment. And they're very like humans
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  Speaker 8: in this, except that where human groups different cultures and
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  Speaker 8: languages and dietary preferences tend to intermingle, the orchest don't
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  Speaker 8: do that. So the Southern residents are a unique, genetically
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  Speaker 8: distinct population of about seventy four animals who range from
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  Speaker 8: Vancouver Island in British Columbia to Monterey Bay, California. They
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  Speaker 8: are coastal animals. They don't tend to go far offshore.
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  Speaker 8: They are made up of three large extended family groups
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  Speaker 8: that we call JPod, K POD, and L POD. And
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  Speaker 8: within this population, the young whales never leave their mothers.
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  Speaker 8: They are always there, so it's a big group around
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  Speaker 8: you know, some common female ancestor who may not no
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  Speaker 8: longer be living, but these groups have all formed in
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  Speaker 8: that way. They are primarily salmon eaters. Over eighty percent
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  Speaker 8: of their diet is chinook or king salmon in particular.
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  Speaker 8: They also will eat coho, and they've been known to
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  Speaker 8: eat link cod and halibate on occasion. They have good
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  Speaker 8: taste in fish, so they are fish eaters and that
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  Speaker 8: is one of the things that this distinguishes them from
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  Speaker 8: the other orca population that shares their territory because that
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  Speaker 8: other population feeds exclusively on marine mammals.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so seventy four of them left in the wild.
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  Speaker 3: What's caused that decline?
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  Speaker 8: Boy a lot of things. So these whales, primarily their
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  Speaker 8: primary threat right now is lack of food. As salmon
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  Speaker 8: fisheries have declined throughout the Pacific Northwest, you know, that's
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  Speaker 8: been a big challenge for them. It takes a lot
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  Speaker 8: of food to sustain a an eighteen month gestation and
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  Speaker 8: have a healthy calf and then feed that healthy calf,
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  Speaker 8: So being able to reproduce without enough food to supply
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  Speaker 8: that has been a challenge. They also these animals have
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  Speaker 8: a high toxic body burden. They're carrying a lot of
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  Speaker 8: chemicals in their bodies, persistent chemicals like PCBs and PBDEs,
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  Speaker 8: flame retardant chemicals because they're eating high on the food chain,
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  Speaker 8: and the salmon that they're eating, in pretty much every
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  Speaker 8: case are passing through estuaries that where there is this
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  Speaker 8: historic contamination in the sediment that gets into these young
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  Speaker 8: salmon and then stays with them. The reason that the
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  Speaker 8: salmon are a preferred food is that they have a
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  Speaker 8: high fat content, and that fat is where these persistent
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  Speaker 8: chemicals store. So the animals themselves are accumulating that toxin
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  Speaker 8: in their fat, the orc is themselves, and then if
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  Speaker 8: they don't have enough food to eat, they start to
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  Speaker 8: metabolize that fat. The blubber that there would normally be
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  Speaker 8: there to keep them warm. They start to metabolize that
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  Speaker 8: and that releases those chemicals into their different organ systems
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  Speaker 8: and we see both reproductive effects, neurological effects, and immunological
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  Speaker 8: effects as a result of that toxicity. So that's another challenge.
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  Speaker 8: And then we have evidence that shows us that, first
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  Speaker 8: of all, big freighter traffic, in particular when we have
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  Speaker 8: the big container ships coming in and out of these
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  Speaker 8: ports on the West coast, the sound of the bubbles
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  Speaker 8: that are generated by their propellers as that as those
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  Speaker 8: bubbles collapse, it's called cavitation, and the cavitation sound is
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  Speaker 8: happening exactly at the same frequency that these whales used
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  Speaker 8: to communicate and to echo locate to find their food. Finally,
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  Speaker 8: if a vessel is within four hundred yards of a
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  Speaker 8: female Southern resident, we see that she stops foraging. So
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  Speaker 8: vessel disturbance is another issue that these whales are faced with.
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  Speaker 5: Stephanie, they're down to seventy four what was their historic high? Like,
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  Speaker 5: how how far have they dropped? And then like, well
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  Speaker 5: what amount of time?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so we don't know exactly how many were present
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  Speaker 8: prior to the era when they were being captured from
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  Speaker 8: marine parks because nobody had done a census, and there
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  Speaker 8: was just sort of this assumption that there were whales
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  Speaker 8: coming in from the ocean into Puget Sound and you know,
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  Speaker 8: they were just they would just keep doing that. It
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: wasn't until the nineteen seventies that the initial census was taken,
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: and at that point the population was pretty close to
• 17:03
  Speaker 8: where it is now. The estimates are that maybe between
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty and two hundred would be like
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: the normal carrying capacity for the population. And we did
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: see some recovery following the end of the capture era,
• 17:17
  Speaker 8: the population rebounded to close to one hundred animals, But
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: then in the late nineteen eighties we saw salmon fisheries
• 17:23
  Speaker 8: crash and along with that came the corresponding decline in
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: the southern resident population. And there has been a lot
• 17:29
  Speaker 8: of effort made to restore salmon habitat and you know,
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: legislate different regulations around how vessels should behave around these animals,
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: but we're not seeing yet the recovery that we really
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: would like to see.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Talk about that capture era, Stephanie, and how differently these
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: whales were treated in the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties.
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, these animals used to be feared very much. People
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: just assumed that if you found the water near one,
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: that was it. You know, it was kind of the
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: Great white Shark of its time. That they were just aggressive,
• 18:02
  Speaker 8: vicious animals, killer whales, right, you call them killer whales,
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: and people make assumptions. Also, fishers didn't want the competition
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: for salmon. My own grandfather was a commercial fisher, and
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: you know, when I was a little kid in the
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: seventies and was, you know, starting to get really turned
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: on about these whales, he would tell me about how
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: he had a permit to shoot him if they got
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: too close to his nets. So, you know, they were
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: not animals that were really well loved in the way
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: that they are now. There was a whale that was
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: that was nicknamed Moby Doll. She was one of the
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: or he was one of the first captive orcas. He
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: was shot multiple times because somebody wanted a model for
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: a sculpture to put at the Vancouver Aquarium when it
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: was first open. It opened, and the whale survived the
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: shooting and survived for a while in captivity, and this
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: was when we started to realize that they weren't aggress
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: toward humans, despite how the humans had been treating them.
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: And then we had Namu, who famously was caught in
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: a fisherman's net and sold to Ted Griffith in Seattle
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: and was on display in the Seattle waterfront for a while. Again,
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: you know, Ted really bonded with that whale and was
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: able to ride on his back and people, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: at that time, he would go on the water with
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: the whale and people would be like, oh my gosh,
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: it's an accident, and what's going to happen. And then
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: it turned out that was all part of the act,
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: that Namu was not a vicious creature. So in captivity,
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: the intelligence of these animals became apparent and there were
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: very few incidences of aggression against humans. You know, we
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: know since then there have been some notable exceptions, but
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: that also aligned with the observation that there's never been
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: a documented incidence of aggression against a human from killer
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: whales in the wild. So people began to see them
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: as friendly, which you know, that's a human value that
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: may or may not be true. But the population census
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: and the way the whales behaved around researchers in the
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: wild began to point to something really special about these
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: animals and how they seem to have a natural curiosity
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: about us, but also an uncanny ability to know our intentions.
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: You mentioned in the questions you sent me the Seymour
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: Narrows in British Columbia. They were going to place a
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: gun there to target practice do target practice on these
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: whales when they passed through, and they chose that location
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: because that was the spot the whales were known to frequent.
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: Well after they set the gun up, the whales never
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: went there, as though somehow they knew and we can't
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: explain that. But you know, there are many many stories
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: of situations like that where somehow the whales seem to
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: understand what the humans were up to in a way
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: that we don't understand what they're up to. So it's
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: they're very that by themselves is such a compelling thing.
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: I think that a lot of researchers and a lot
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: of the general public are really drawn to this population
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: in particular because we know we know them intimately, We
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: know them as individuals. They all have nicknames that the
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: public may know them by, and we know their stories.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: So it really has been a one hundred and eighty
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: degree shift in attitudes and you know, just a little
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: bit more than fifty years.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen a lot of headlines in the last
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: six months about the Southern resident orcas. So I want
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: to talk to you about some of that news. First thing,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: tell us about the salmon hats and why people cared
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: about that last fall.
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: So this was a really interesting human phenomenon as much
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: as an orca phenomenon. In the nineteen eighties, late nineteen eighties,
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: there was one summer when it seemed to be the
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: thing to do for the Southern resident orcas to carry
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: salmon around on their heads. And you know, if the
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: image we have of orcas is a whale in a tank,
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: that's a very sterile environment. They don't have a lot
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: of things to interact with. But in the wild, these
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: whales are very tactile, very interactive creatures. They like to
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: manipulate things in their environment. They're curious about them, they're
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: you know, they want to play or or do other things.
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: And they do have these social trends that happen, whether
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: it's a behavioral trend or in this case, maybe a
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: fashion trend. So we've also seen years where you know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: everybody's got a piece of help draped over their dorsal
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: fin or some eel grass or something like that. And
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: what happened last fall We had a just incredible salmon
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: run here in the Sales Sea, just record breaking across
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: the board, and one of our volunteers snapped a picture
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: that had a salmon sitting on the head of an orca. Well,
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: somebody grabbed that from one of our reports that we
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: put out and it went viral and everybody's like, oh,
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: they're reviving the trend. But the reality is that that
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: was part of a series of pictures in which, you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: the picture before and the picture after did not show
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: a salmon on the orc's head, and so we don't
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: know exactly how that fish wound up on that whales
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: head for just a second, but it did not appear
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: to be actually carrying it. There was one other researcher
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: who witnessed a salmon on the head of an orca
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: for a second as well, but didn't get a picture
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: of it. And that was it. And the reality is
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: that when these whales come down into Puget Sound, which
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: is what they do in the fall, because that's when
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: the salmon are running into the sound. There are hundreds
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: of people on the shorelines with cameras documenting their presence,
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: getting their pictures. And if there had been a widespread
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: revival of that salmon hat trend, we definitely seen a
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: lot more evidence of that than we actually did. It
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: was just really interesting how compelling it was to humans. Again,
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: you know, here's this interesting behavior. Look what they're doing.
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: They're doing something like us. They have a fashion trend,
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: and it just really we were getting media requests from
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: as far away as Germany and New Zealand for people
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: asking about this particular situation.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, and Stephanie is skeptical that the salmon hand are
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: back and fashionable.
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we haven't. Haven't seen it since now.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Last year, the largest dam removal project in US history
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: took place when four dams were destroyed on the Klamath River.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Talk about what that means for these southern resident orcas.
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: So what that means is that there's now more habitat
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: for these chinook salmon to spawn. And we know that
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: the further the chinook have to travel upriver, the bigger
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: those fish have to be. It also really you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: has a big influence on the spring Chinook Run. These
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: were salmon that would enter the rivers in the spring,
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: but they didn't spawn until the fall because it took
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: them that long to get all the way up to
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: the upper watersheds. So when we open up this upper
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: watershed habitat, we are really improving the salmon supply for
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: the southern residents to eat. And that's true all up
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: and down the coast, of course, because as I said before,
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: they go down as far as Monterey Bay, all of
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: the salmon bearing streams on the Pacific Northwest coast potentially
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: can supply them with additional salmon to eat. What we've
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: seen as the fisheries have declined is that there are
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: not only fewer fish, but they tend to be smaller
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: because they have less range to spawn in, and that
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: means that the whales are working harder. They're spending more
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: energy to find smaller fish, so they have to spend
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: even more energy to get enough food to eat. So
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: bigger fish are great. More spawning habitat for those fish
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: is great. And you know, both the Klamath and the
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: Elwah Dam removal projects are potentially going to boost that
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: supply of salmon and Hopefully that's going to make a
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: big difference for these animals.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's send this interview on some more good news.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: It's news, it's only a few days old. Tell us
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: about the newest member of the Southern Resident JPod.
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah, this is really exciting. We just had a baby
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: J sixty three, so it won't be given a nickname
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: for at least another six months or so. There's not
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: a lot to say at this point. She appears to
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: be the first calf of a whale known as J
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: forty Subtles, and Subtles has a long history of being
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: kind of an anti or babysitter to other new calves,
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: but has never been seen with a calf of her own.
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: So so far, baby looks great and we're cautiously optimistic,
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: but of course we'll need to have a few more
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: sightings to confirm that Subtle's really is mom and that
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: things are continuing to go well. And the other piece
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: of good news is that baby J sixty two, who
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: was born in December, is also appears to be thriving.
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: That little one seems to be doing really really well
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: in recent observations.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: And lasting If people want to help Southern Resident orcas
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and support their conservation efforts. What can they do.
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: So it really goes back to, you know, a lot
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: of the stuff that we're told is good for the
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: environment is going to be helpful for these whales ultimately,
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: because we're all connected in that way. If you're in
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: the Pacific Northwest, being aware of your watershed and what
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: you're contributing to it is really important. Avoiding toxic products
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: for lawn garden or farm care, maintaining your vehicle so
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: you're not leaking oil, and making sure your tires are
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: properly inflated. It turns out the dusts that erodes off
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: of tires it's actually really toxic for some types of salmon.
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: So that's another piece that we're you know, as we're
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: uncovering the different ways that we can restore salmon habitat.
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: That's one of the things that's being looked at. Conservative
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: electricity is huge because again, you know, we're here in
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: the Northwest, we're so used to abundant, inexpensive hydropower, but
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: we know now what a devastating effect that has on
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: the salmon population and wherever you live, you know, because
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: we are power grid spreads all over the place, that's helpful,
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: Advocating against proposed dams or removing existing dams that we
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: don't necessarily need anymore, advocating for good conservation policies for
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: salmon and for orcas. All of those things are things
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: that people can do to support this population.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, everyone listening is going to do their part. Thanks
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: for joining us, Stephanie in congrats on the J sixty
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: three news.
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: Thank you, and thanks so much for having me.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: You bloys feel differently about or because now you all excited.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're super cool animals, you know. I'm glad
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: to hear they're they're potentially going to be doing better.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: You see, I was to hear, I was expecting to
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: hear that there had been some precipitous decline in their population.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: But the fact that their numbers have remained steady for
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: fifty years makes me think that, you know, maybe things
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: aren't as bad as the picture isn't as bad as
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: as people might be painting.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think we fully got the scope of it
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: talking to Stephanie, but one piece of news I'd seen
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: is at like sixty or seventy percent of the calves
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: die in the first year, and I think That's the
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: thing they're really fighting right now is how can we
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: make sure that when a calf is born, which is
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: already a lot to ask for, that the thing survives
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: to adulthood. So I think that's that's what I mean.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: They have the unforse a fate of living in basically
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: an urban marine invitrally, which you know makes things tough.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Moving on, Our next segment is One Minute Fishing.
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: Do I feel lucky?
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: We'll do you dunk, go ahead.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Make my cast.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: donation to a conservation group and for the whole month
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: of April, our friends at Trout Unlimited or joining us
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: for one Minute Fishing. This week, our wrangler is Dan Johnson,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: the Desert Terminal Lakes Basin project coordinator at TU. Today
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: he's on Hot Creek in California and fishing for a
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: donation to Trout Unlimited. Dan, welcome to the show.
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: Hey, thank you all so much for having us and
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: for highlighting to you this month and highlighting this this
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: beautiful stream bind.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: It is a beautiful place, also a windy place. Now,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: first thing we ask Trout Unlimited to highlight some important
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: watersheds across the country for this segment, tell us about
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Hot Creek and its greatest threats.
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: Is a very very unique stream. It starts as Mammoth
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: Creek up in the eastern Sierras. There flows down. It's
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: really small, very narrow as it hits the valley, but
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: about a couple hundred yards upstream of where I am.
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: It has a number of geothermal inputs. This hot water
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: that comes out, it's actually perfectly in that sixty to
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: sixty seven degree range that is optimum for trout growth
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: and you know, longevity and reproduction. But we've been involved
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: in Hot Creek for a number of years because just
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: over the hill I can see it from here. There
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: is a project to start exploratory gold mining right on
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: just a ways over the banks there. In twenty twenty one,
• 31:10
  Speaker 9: the company Core Mining, they were awarded permits to drill.
• 31:14
  Speaker 9: After a huge amount of community backlash and litigation from
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: other NGOs in the area, those permits were revoked for
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: the time being. But you know, gold is near all
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: time highs and we are actually working on a protective
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: designation for Hot Creek and outstanding National Resource Water, which
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: we feel would you know, neutralize that mining threat once
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: and for all.
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: And I mean at Trout Unlimited. We're realists, right.
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: I drove a truck here today and it's built out
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: of things that were pulled out of the ground at
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: one point. You know, we need mining, we need to
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: work these landscapes, but also we need places.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: Like Hot Creek.
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: You know, it's a part of our American tradition. I
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: actually wrote my father in law in he's my cameraman
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: today and I come out here with my daughter and yeah,
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: I try to Unlimited. We're just working to protect the places.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: We love to fish.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: We're grateful that TU is involved. Question, Yeah, what do
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: you got bro?
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: Hey Dan?
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: What what kind of land are you? Is Hot Creek
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: like a public primarily a public river? Are you standing on?
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: What land entity manages the land you're standing on right now?
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah? So Hot Creek. You know, it's actually interesting.
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: We're in the very valley stage of our portion of
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: Hot Creek and it ends up going in some pretty
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: dramatic canyons. It's a mixture of us for a service
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: mostly to the across the stream from me the LM
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: down below. There's also some private property and some some
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: tribal trust land as well, So.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: So the fair number of the gold the gold mining
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: would occur on is the proposal for the gold mining
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: to occur on public land.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: That's correct on for service like, gotcha?
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: Gotcha?
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: All right, Dan, let's talk about the fishing. What are
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: you targeting today? How are you doing it in? What
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: fly are you throwing?
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we are.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: Hot Creek has and of course I just got stuck
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: on it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: Hot Creek has wild populations of ground trout is kind
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: of the main quarry.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: There's also some rainbows.
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: At this time of the year, none of the really
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: big stuff is hatching, so I am throwing size eighteen
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: blueing olive if you can see that, and then a
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: size twenty zebramage down below, so the real small stuff.
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: But we did have a hatch going off a bit earlier.
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: We've been watching fish rise here. I've been, you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: whispering words reassurance to my tiny flies the last ten
• 33:56
  Speaker 9: minutes and feeling good about it.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, have you made to cast yet? Today?
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: Dan?
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: I fished a little bit downstream, but we've been trying
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: to do our best to leave this hole intact and
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: not you know, not mess with them at all. I
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: don't think they I don't think they know that we're here.
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: So this is the one we've been reserving.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Great, Well, your one minute of fishing starts when you
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: make that first cast.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Let's do it better. Get in there for someone high
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: holds your.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Walk to the edge of the creek. Yoanni, describe what
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: you're seeing there?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, just a beautiful creek. I'd have to just stand
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: there and enjoy the view for a while before he
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: even wet a line.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Right, all right, he's making his first cast.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Snow capped mountains dropping into some like deserty up high
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: country sage.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Uh huh. Looks like a place you'd find some some
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Muley's or black tails and some some antelope.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: I like that he's kind of being a purist here,
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: because if I was going for the one minute, Neil,
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: I'd probably have a San Juan worm and an egg
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: on there.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, did we have a hook set there?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Then he thinks you did.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: We missed.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, you're thirty seconds in.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: He got he bit the tiny little zebramidge.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Oh all right, feeling optimistic, burn a lot of time
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: on that false cast and get it back in the water.
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: I know, twenty seconds, guys, I gotta I gotta dry
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: him out.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Twenty seconds ago, ten seconds left in eat it Uh
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: not gonna happen today, Dan, tell us what happened on
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: that that one fish that made an offering at your fly?
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so I could see him. It's actually really clear
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: water here. So I saw him move for the zebra midge.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: And I mean, I hope you all my mind. If
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: I keep fishing all the time, I know it doesn't count.
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: But yeah, he went for he went for the zebra
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: midge and he just didn't commit to the bite.
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: And yeah, we'll see.
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: We're gonna hang out here the rest of the day too,
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: so maybe i'll maybe I'll text you all the picture too.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, good work day for you, Dan.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: That's the line. That's the line my clients used to
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: always use, like, oh he missed it, like they never
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: missed the fish.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: And if I may real quick, if you're looking to
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: get involved with Tu's work on public lands, just go
• 36:29
  Speaker 9: to tu dot org. And we have a little bar
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: at the top that says take action. We're likely working
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: in your neck of the woods right now.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, good message, Dan, thank you for joining us, Good
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: luck with fishing the rest of the day, and thanks
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: to Trot Unlimited for doing what they do.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Thanks Dan.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: All Right, we're halfway through the show. Let's take a
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: break for some listener feedback. Phil, what do you got?
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: We've got a question from our producer Corey Colkins. He
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: asks who's the better golfer, Spencer, Giannis or Brody.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Ain't me?
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I imagine it's me just because I play the most, But
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I am not a good golfer at all. If Yanni
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: wanted to go golfing five times this year, he might
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: be better than me after those five times. I'm I
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: just enjoy the camaraderie of it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe we don't. We don't need to spend any more
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: time on this.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Corey asked that question because he's the best golfer in
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: the office or or top two. So so good for you, man.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I used to like.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Corey and then I found out he was a golfer.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Well, you'll like him even more when I tell you
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: this though, he's a phenomenal golfer who doesn't golf. He'll
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: go like once a year, and that's good enough for him.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: But if I had Corey, if I had Corey's skills,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I'd be out there even more. But it'd be Corey
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: and Colin is the best golfers. What else you got?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Phil?
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: Question for Yiannis from Derman? What are you feeding a
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: top level hunting hound like.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Mingus scrap hunting hound you described him as earlier.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I just feed him dog food. Buddy.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: If you used to remember your old dog Mud, didn't
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: you used to feed her meat?
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we feed Mingus eat too, some scraps.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: You know. I'll save my trimmings and feed it to them.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: But yeah, for the most part, we just I varied up.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I don't feed him the same stuff all the time.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: We're actually gonna switch over to whatever Costco is selling.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm buying next for Mingus, you.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Know, makes it for Costco. I imagine that.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I don't image. A couple of people tell me that
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: they thought it was good and it was cheap, so
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that works for us. Okay, Yeah, I'm not buying into
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: the whole thing that my dog needs to eat the
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: same diet that I Rashan asks.
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: And this is for Giannis as well. I'm assuming you
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: know the answer to this. When's the next meat Eater
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: roast coming out? I love the first one?
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm glad you liked the first one. Shot.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: The next one is coming out early May. I don't
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: think there is an actual drop date yet, but I
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: look for in early May. It's a good one. We
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: got Carrine Schneider, Meet your podcast producer and Maggie Hudlow,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: director of website content, squaring off with each other.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I heard they put on an exceptional show. Oh buddy
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: made some dooking delicious food coming out in early May.
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: From Peter, question for Brody and Yanny, what cartridge are
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: you going to use for your kids when they go
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: from hunting deer and antelope to elk man?
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: I started my older son on a two forty three
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: and he hunted with that for three, no, four seasons.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Three it was last year, four, last year was four.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: This year he's going to a six y five creed
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: More and I would be completely comfortable having him shooting
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: elk with that cartridge. And he killed nelk with a
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: thirty hot six last fall.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: So yeah, we've been shooting the six to five creed
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: More and I imagine we'll stay shooting the six y
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: five creed More and just not shoot it too far.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Let's do one more, Phil oh Man.
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: Okay from Eric, how do you guys balance family vacations
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: and hunting trips? If you have limited time.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: Off, you take family vacations that are hunting trips fishing.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Trip You two boys are pretty good at that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Yeah. I'd say there's very few hunting
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: trips that if they're not work that are you know,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: that are hunting trips or hunting trips without my family.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: So the only one I can think of off the top
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: of my head is like, I'm gonna go to Wisconsin
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: hunting my dad for a few days for turkeys. But otherwise,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: if it's not a work trip, I'm hunting with my family,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: and otherwise I'm hunting with a camera.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'd definitely do some solo hunting, but
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: like you know, most of our family vacations involved hunting
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: or a lot of fishing too, So.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: You're kind of asking the wrong guys because we get
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: to hunt for work sometimes, so we don't actually have
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to balance family vacations and hunting trips because yeah, we
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: get to hunt for work sometimes, But yeah, I hope
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: that helps Eric.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Sorry, probably doesn't.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Moving on, our next segment is top threes.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Yore, trouble over here?
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Such a beautiful boy.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Sure it's so beautiful, Phil. Does the computer have to
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: help you hit that high note?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Or is that all that was? Natural?
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Wonderful?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Natural?
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Now this week we are ranking the three biggest fish
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: we've ever caught. And to be clear, it's not literally
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: the biggest. It's the biggest relative to other fish of
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: that species. So you know, for today's show, it would
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: be more relevant if you caught a two and a
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: half pound blue gill than if you caught a thirty
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: pound tarpin. Is the three biggest fish we've caught relative
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: to other fish of that species? Bro, do you go first?
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: What's the third biggest fish you've ever caught?
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: We need the picture because I can't remember at what
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: order I put him in?
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, Oh, big old trout.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: That that's a big old whopper. That's the third biggest fish.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Spencer wants me to say, that's the third biggest fish
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: I've ever caught. Huh, Then I can talk about it,
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: that's right, Yeah, talk about it. Tell us about it. Well,
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: it's a big ass rainbow trout. Look how young you were?
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: How old were you?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: That was probably like twenty ish now, well maybe maybe
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: like seventeen years ago, let's say.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, so how old?
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know you like late or mid mid thirties.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I didn't know you were ever in your mid thirties.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I wasn't born fifty three years old.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Now is that pellet hitter that or is that not?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: That's not well, I mean.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Not on the river. I don't think it was on
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: the river that it was caught on.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: How big was that fish? For people who aren't watching.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: This again, Spencer and I were talking about this earlier.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: I don't generally don't carry a tape measure around with
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: me or a scale, but that fish was over thirty like,
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: I'm guessing thirty two ish, And it was caught this
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: time year in the spring. So it's a female full
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: of egg, so I'm guessing twelve.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: She's got a big old belly on twelve pound dish. Yeah,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: what were you doing when you caught that fish?
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: What do you mean?
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: What was I?
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: What fly were you throwing?
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: I caught it on an egg? Big old egg? Pattern.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Was that a good day for you fishing?
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, can you tell us the river? Is that?
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Sure?
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: It was the Roaring Fort.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, it kind of tailed off at the end. Then
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: it felt like you were regretting telling us that's.
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: Not a secret.
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: Man.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: There's probably twenty boats on the Roaring Fort today.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you ever going to top that trout? Or
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: is that a once in a life time fish?
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't have a crystal ball for trout.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: That may be it because I just don't do that
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: kind of fishing as nearly as much as I used to.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: But who knows. Anything could happen.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: All right, Yanna, you're next.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Well, the third biggest fish I ever caught was say
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: it is? You want me to say this fish?
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, whatever fish is on the screen that you're talking about.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I labeled them wrong. I was gonna finish with this one.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Oh see, I think you you you labeled it number three.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Probably be that you wanted to be shown.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: But I can't believe how hard this segment is.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: All right, so we told you you had problems before
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: we started. This is a sailfish that I caught recently
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: down in Guatemala, but tape measure out for that one. No, no, no,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I pulled one out of the water sailfish. I showed
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: you guys a picture of that on an earlier episode,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and uh, a couple of folks remind me that you
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: shouldn't take those fish out of the water, really increase mortality.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: So uh, yeah it was. Uh, I've only caught a
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: few sailfish. They were all roughly the same size to me.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: And uh, you caught that one on a flypole though, well.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was exactly that one that
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I caught on the fly rod, but uh, yeah it was.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: It was a great trip. We had three anglers. We
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: all caught quite a few of those sailfish and uh,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: beautiful place, beautiful water, rough seas though rough.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: Seas, did you yeah, you were you getting a.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Little No, I was wearing the patch. Yeah I was good.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: But those guys you can see, they're the guy on
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the left is Zan and my brother in law. They
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: decided on day three that they were all good with
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the patch and they didn't wear one on day three
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and it caught them.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: How did they take that picture?
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: GoPro on a stick?
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Good looking photo? Good looking fish.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they know what they're doing. We're fishing with
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: the selfish lodge of quite a mala. I don't know.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Dm me on Instagram if you want to know more
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: about them. A great outfit, all right.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: The third biggest fish I ever caught is this perch?
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Now that that I got a tape measure under it,
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Like Brody was saying, I did have a tape measure
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: with me. I was fourteen and a quarter inches. It
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: was two pounds exactly. I was south, it was in
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: South Dakota. It was twenty twelve. I was fishing by
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: myself that day. I was pulling plugs for Walleye. Did
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: not expect to find that fish in that place. There's
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: not a lot of perch in that lake where I
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: caught that.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Oh it gets me excited. Spencer, that's my favorite fish.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: And he hit a number five rupaula shad rap. And
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: when perch get to that size, everything just looks wrong,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Like they developed shoulders that they don't normally have that
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: hump on their back. Yep, their their fins look too small.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: You start to they like they look so lethargic. The
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: You're like, how is that thing staying well? Fed enough
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: to grow to that size. But then you're reminded when
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: you're pulling plugs for walleye and it smashes a shad
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: rap that you'd expect, you know, only larger fish to
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: be keeping up with. And then I got another picture.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Did you eat him?
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: No?
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I threw that one back. Two years later I caught
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: another fourteen inch or that one also weighed two pounds
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: through that fish back as well. It was it was
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: almost the same place, same time of year, same like,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: doing the same thing, pulling plugs for walleyes hooked into
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: a big old perch. You can see pictures of these
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: fish on our meat eater.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: You let those spencer.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: That's okay. You know what I've like since I've gotten older.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: If I were to catch that fish today, it's probably
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: more likely I would keep it. But then I felt
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: like I was I was really doing the Lord's work
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: letting a fourteen inch perch go. But now I realized
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: that like that thing probably had a year life left
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: on it, that there was no harm in me keeping
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: that big old perch in the middle of the good
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: fish sandwich right there, all right, bro To, you're up next, Okay,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: I don't remember, oh, the second biggest fish I've ever caught.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: Now that this is a link cod, Oh, I'm supposed
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: to wait for that.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: So this is a whole segment is a mess. Do
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: whatever you like.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: That well, link cod get can get quite a bit
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: bigger than this. The reason I put this one in
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: here is because at the time I caught that up
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: around Steve Shack, that was as big of a link
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: cod as you could keep legally. Oh, that's why it's there.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: And how big is it?
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: The slot that year was thirty to forty five inches,
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: so it was it was like forty three forty four.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: It's hard to get an exact measurement in the bottom
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: one of those skiffs. You can hang them and measure them,
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: but it was it was just under the slot. So
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: that's that's a good one. And now like that slot
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: has gotten progressively smaller every year, so you wouldn't be
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: able to keep that thing anymore.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: So how much bigger are the bigger ones that you've
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: caught than this one.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: There's actually a second slot in that part of Alaska,
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: and it's fifty five and over, and no fish ever
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: seen one of those. They got to be down there somewhere,
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: but they can get they can get five feet long
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: fifty pounds. But that's a pretty good one beautiful fish.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: There, y your next, well, Spencer. The second biggest fish
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I've ever caught is that big old red fish is
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: a big red fish also known as a bull drum
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: that was caught off the coast of North Carolina with
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: my wife's cousin, Captain rob Or also had my brother
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: in law and his son with him. Was a great eat.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: We went out for like the night bite, so it
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: didn't start fishing until it pretty much got dark, and
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: we were fishing a shoal with just some cut bait,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: pretty simple, and we basically made three casts and we
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: each got to catch a redfish roughly that size, and
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: it was quite the tussle.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: The head on that thing.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's amazing, Yeah, the head and shoulders. And you know,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: that's why I love these days being a freshwater angler
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: for so many years and then doing more salt water
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: in the latter part of my life. These fish just
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: they fight, yeah, you know, they actually pulled back, which
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: is what I enjoy so much. Where you know, the trout,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: you know, it's more of a finesse game. To get
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: them to the net. But like that joker, you just
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: don't know if you're going to actually win the win
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: the battle there. But that one we did release.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, are even allowed to keep them that big in
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: North Carolina?
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: You know that fish is probably that fish is definitely
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: out of the slot. So yeah, beautiful.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Fish, thank you again. Like the proportions when fish get
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: this big for their species, the head, yeah is just unbelievable.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can imagine that thing doesn't run away for much.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: It's things. Most of most things are running away from
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: it in that giant mouth.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: The second biggest fish I ever caught is this northern
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: pike that Phil is showing us a photo of. Now,
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: that was in twenty fourteen. I was senior in college
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: at that point. That was the biggest pike I had
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: ever caught. I was by myself pulling plugs for walleye.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: He was just under forty inches. And then three years later,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, I caught a bigger one that then
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: became my biggest fitter.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: I thought that the three biggest fish, the sixth biggest.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Well, so I'm just giving you some context this This
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: pike then was forty two inches. He weighed just over
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: twenty pounds. He ate a number seven rapaula bleeding olive
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: minto wrap, which is a plug they don't even make anymore.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: They have they have minnow body crank baits, but they
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: don't make that specific one anymore. And I was again
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: pulling plugs by myself. This was twenty seventeen. I was
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: in the same light doing the same thing when I
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: when I caught that other pike. Let both of those
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: fish go that that.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: Got a big old gouge and it's back from another
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: pike or something.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was. That was fun that. You know,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: we were just talking about actually getting the fight a fish,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: getting to fight a twenty pound pike that doesn't even compare, dude,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: like you know the walleye that I was actually targeting
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: that day. So that was my second biggest fish ever,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: forty two inch pike, just over twenty pounds. All right,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: we're at our biggest fish brody for the.
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: Biggest one ever. Now, when do I wait for this
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: noise to come in?
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Phil, here's what you do? What kind of fish is that?
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Tell me, well, that's the biggest fish I've ever caught,
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: and it's a cocony.
• 52:30
  Speaker 9: Sam.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: So here's what you do. You say, the biggest fish
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: I ever caught is this cocony salmon, and then Phil
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: plays the buoy.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: Gotcha?
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Yep, okay, great, great job. Now tell us about it.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: That's a cocony salmon, which is a landlocked version of
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: a sake salmon, or they call him red salmon Alaska.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: In most places where there's cocony fisheries freshwater cocony lake
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: fisheries in the mostly in the Western United States, those
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: things are like twelve inches long. People love fishing for
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: them because they're good to eat. That that thing's is
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: like a monster for a cocaonee, And it's like maybe
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: pushing five pounds or so. I didn't measure it, but
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: you know, it's like, yeah, I kept it. I think
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: it was somewhere twenty two to twenty four inches. I
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: don't know exactly, but that's like for the species, that's
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: an extremely large cocaine.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: See what were you doing when you caught that perch
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: fishing buddy? Oh? Was that the only cocony you caught?
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: That the only one we caught that?
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Wow, it just happened to get I never.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Caught a cocone. You ever caught a cocaine?
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: No? Never, Although I don't know how many times I've
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: even been in a lake that had coconine. It's been
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: pretty rare in my fishing days. That's that's a special fish.
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like it was. It was good eating too,
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: It's very good eating.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: All right, Yanna, you're.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Up, all right? The biggest fish I've ever caught, which
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: was just supposed to be my third biggest fish, but
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. And I actually didn't even personally catch
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: this fish. My girl Lindsey, Yeah. Do you remember Lindsay's
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: last name?
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: Meyer?
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Meyer? Yeah, Lindsay. And what was your husband try.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: To steal one of my clients for a little while?
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: No, successfully did or not?
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know. They fished with me for a while.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: I don't remember. I left town, so Brody got him back,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I guess. But Lindsay and Jim, they were the classic
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: example of I.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: Still don't think we said the kind of fish.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a rainbow trout, very similar to Brody's third
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: biggest fish.
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: Huh.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: And classic example these two. She always was in the
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: back and was like, Oh, I'm really not that into fishing.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just here for the views and the good time,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: and Jim would be fairly serious about it, but really
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: she wasn't serious.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: Man, She got real serious with me after a while.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: U must have been a better I put her on
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: a bunch of fish like this. She got serious, but
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: she would listen to what the guide was saying. Jim
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: would well, not that Jim wouldn't, but she did a
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: much better job of listening, and so she would always
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: outfish Jim from the back of the boat. But it
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: was interesting about this particular deal. Is this on the
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Colorado River, and it was early season, water was still
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: on the high side, and we'd had a particularly big
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: runoff year, and fish like that weren't normal ever on
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: this section of the Colorado River. And all of a sudden,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I think it was I think I was with another boat, actually,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: and I want to say, we floated through this pretty slow,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: deep hole and both boats hook up with these giant fish,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: you know, and it as a guide, You're like, oh
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: my gosh, you know, what is that thing coming up
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: underneath the boat? So Leviathan, so you kind of do
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: anything and everything you can to land of fish like that.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Lots of pictures and those fish hung out in that
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: hole and in that area for quite some time. And
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: whoever I was with, I remember being like, dude, we
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: cannot tell anybody else because everybody's going to want to
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: float through this section just to hit this one hole.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Uh huh. The best we could figure is that there
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: was a tributary near there. The best we could figure
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: that there was probably a stocked pond upstream on that
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: tributary and it probably got blown out and then these
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: fishes swam down the tributary and got dumped into the river.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: So this was a short lived experience.
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: The pigs.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, in my experience, I don't know. Again,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a tape on me. I can't remember.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was quite thirty inches, but you
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: know it's probably close. But yeah, just in I mean,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: that fish is like more than double the size of
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: the average travel we would catch that when you.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Hooked into it, was there any question as to what
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: it could be like? Did you know this is a
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: big old rainbow?
• 56:57
  Speaker 10: Ummm?
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you could look into a big
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: mountain white fish that would but it wouldn't be that big.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: But eventually you get a look at it. You know,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: but when the rods is bent over a double and
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: it's sitting down deep, yeah, you don't know what it is.
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: And usually if your float fishing, especially with a client
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: that hasn't fought a lot of big trout like that,
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: you got to follow him around in the boat for
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: a while.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the cool thing. Like as the guide in
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: rowing a boat, you're almost doing as much fighting as
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: the angler is because you're flipping the boat around, positioning
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: it and then obviously fighting the current and you know,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: trying to stay in that slow water because nothing worse
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: When you got a tank like that on and then
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: you got to like row through a riffle or a
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: small rapid, you know, shit can go wrong real quick.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: I can tell you that that Jannis did a very
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: good job of releasing that fish in good shape, because
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: our buddy Alvin Dedo had a client catch.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: It like a week later. I do you know the
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: same one and picture?
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it had to be.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: But there was a couple of fish. I think we're
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: in that hole beautiful trout all right.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Biggest fish I've ever caught is this paddlefish. Now, this
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: is sort of cheating because I was working for the
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: US Fish and Wildlife Service. That's a picture of my
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: boss that I took of him. This was right after
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: I graduated college. I worked at this fish hatchery and
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: we raised a lot of things, but primarily pallid sturgeon
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: and paddlefish.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: And we raised that dude is not you, that's not me,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: that he has a remarkable resemblance to you.
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: He's not me. That was.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: That was my old boss, Craig. So this was this
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: was twenty fifteen. We we would provide all of the
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: paddlefish that were stocked in South Dakota's reservoirs, and so
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: to do that, we'd have to go out and net
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: adult paddlefish, bring them back to our hatchery, take their eggs,
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: take their melt, raise the young, and then at the
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: end of the summer early fall, we would release these
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: twelve inch posing To get those things, this big old
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: drift nets, just like one hundred foot long drift nets
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: had had holes in them or if it was big
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: enough for a paddlefish to swim in and get stuck
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: like bill net stuck or because that would kill him,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: wouldn't they Well you're grabbing them asat Yeah, So this
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: day it was just me and Craig on the boat.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: He was running the boat, I was running the nets.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: That paddlefish was just short of seven feet long in
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: a weigh one hundred and twenty nine pounds, which would
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: have broken the state record at the time, and she
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: gave us hundreds of thousands of eggs. We released her
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: about a month later. None of these people in this
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: picture or me either, but this shows us taking her
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: eggs after we gave her a hormone shot. And that
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: took three adult men just to handle this one fish,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: and then another person to capture the eggs.
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: How old is that fish?
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: So that fish, it came from Lake Francis Case, which
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: is a reservoir, and any adults that we were catching
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: in that time that big were born before the dams
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: were put in. That dam was put in in nineteen
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: fifty two. That fish was sixty five plus years old
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: when we caught it. I'll never see another fish of
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: that size, and my boss and I were absolutely thrilled.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: I remember feeling like such a badass that day when
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: we got back to the boat dock that the two
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: of us had did that, and I remember backing the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: boat down the boat dock and turn on the radio
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: and Tom Petties won't back down his playing, and I
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: cranked that up and we were so thrilled. We went
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: into Chamberlaine that night drank our faces off.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: We were excited. That was a once in a lifetime fish.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: I caught it using nets that didn't catch it on
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: a rodden reel. But I'll never forget that, old girl.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: There we go. Those are the three biggest fish we've
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: ever caught. We're gonna figure out that segment someday. Six
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: months into this show where we're still working out some kinks.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: Yea, let's give it nine.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, moving on, This is our last segment of the day.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Joining us on the line last is James Kane and
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Barbie Augustini. They are magnet fishermen from New York City
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: who had a life changing catch last year. James, Welcome
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: to the show.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: What's going on?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Guys?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having Barbie is actually away
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 10: at the moment where a little stomach issue.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, he'll be back, all right. How I broke here?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: How you doing?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: What's up?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Bro?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: First day?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: For those not familiar, explain what magnet.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 10: Fishing is so magnet fishing where you take a giant
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 10: magnet this size, you know what I mean, You put
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: on a string and you throw it in the water
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 10: that's lit and you and you're waiting for the fight,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 10: like you guys.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: The click, the click.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, you can feel it.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Now hold on.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: I got more questions about that this part, because you're
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: gonna move on. Go ahead. Are you dragging it? Are
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: you moving it? Are you changing cast locations? Like how
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: power click? If there's a piece of metal it's five
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: feet away from that magnet, will it pull it over
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: to it? Or do you need to land it right
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: on top of it?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 10: The fairest connection point to uh, to these giant magnets
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 10: you think would be that big, but actually it's more
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 10: like especially when you're on the water, I think the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 10: pull the pull this is maybe five to six inches
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 10: at max. So you do have to change location. You
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 10: have to throw like you're still high school softball, So
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 10: you got to.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: Throw it as far as you can. That's that's the secret.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: No one's gonna tell you.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 11: Let's one rip, Let's see your throat. We're getting to
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 11: that at the end. He said, no, no, no, yeah, James
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 11: hold on. At the end of the call, he's gonna
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 11: show us how it's done. We're gonna learn more about
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 11: magnet fishing. First though, what got you into magnet fishing?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: So, believe it or not. Uh, my family and I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: were very bored uh during COVID and we started watching videos.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 10: I always wanted to do treasure hunting as a little kid,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 10: but never had the background education, never had the financials
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 10: to go on a boat and the gear and this
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 10: and that. And then I saw someone putting a magnet
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 10: on the water on a string on on YouTube.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: There are other channels down south that actually do it
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: quite often. Uh, And I said, you know what, let's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: try this. My kids were like, you're not gonna do it.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: You don't do nothing.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 10: So I actual we took the challenge and we went
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 10: to our local pond and uh, yeah, it's all all
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 10: goes from there.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: How much does the gear cost to get going and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: magnet fishing?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 10: So the rope is twenty bucks for like one hundred
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 10: feet twenty thirty bucks.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: The magnets we're the level we're at now is a
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: lot more powerful.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 10: So we have magnets that range from two to three
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 10: hundred dollars when you when you first want to start,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 10: you can go on Amazon and spend thirty forty bucks
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 10: just to see what it's like.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: So you don't have to, you know, to drop three
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: hund's on a freaking giant powerful magnet.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 10: You can still get stuff with the low powered magnets,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 10: but when you become obsessed, you want.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: You want the good stuff. Hull fall. Yeah, and what kind.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Of areas do you typically target when you're magnet fishing?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 10: So when we first started, we were just going to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 10: any bodies of water. Now I tend to look for
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 10: so we're obviously we're in the middle of New York City,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 10: so anybody of water that there's a lot.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: Of foot traffic and houses and roads nearby.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 10: That's when people toss this stuf right out the right
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 10: out the cars, and that's the best spot to go.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: Sometimes dangerous neighborhoods is the best spots.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: To love that. Now, normally when we're talking about fishing,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: we want to go where people are not but not
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: not magnet fishermen.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Do you use any sort of mapping apps like on
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: x too, maybe scalot areas.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 10: Google maps, Google Maps, and then I sometimes you can
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 10: find Google historical maps. I like to do research on
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 10: the locations that we're in, and there's sometimes historical items
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 10: you can find by using the older maps as well.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: That's good. Now, what are some of the most common maps.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: What are the most common things that you hook while
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: magnet fishing?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 10: Bottle caps, rebar, rebar and nails, tons of rebar.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 10: I guess when they're constructing or whatever they do, and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 10: the guys are to the people are done.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: They uh huh.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: And do you ever get skunked or you're always catching something?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: We have gotten stumped, scumped, skunked a couple of times. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 10: In high salty areas like on we have our Bay
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 10: areas which mix into the East River over here in
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 10: New York City. Something about the tides, which you know,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 10: I don't I don't fish. Maybe you guys can even
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 10: explain that a little more. But when the tides are
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 10: moving fast, the stuff is taken out into the ocean.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 10: So you don't get nothing on the island in Brooklyn,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 10: off the piers, you're not going to get nothing unless
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 10: it's really heavy.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: The salt eating it up and the tides taking it out.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Now, besides the safe that we'll get to in a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: little bit. What are some of the most unusual catches
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: that you've had?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: What I can say on here, I don't know. I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: usually believe or not. I tell people when they're when
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: they're watching.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 10: I used to say, oh, you never imagine what you
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 10: can get, But now I tell them, you ce crazy.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: What you can't imagine is going to be to be
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: on that.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, So guns, how many guns have you caught in
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: the two years?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: We're almost on two years. We found about thirty five
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: my goods, Yeah, crazy, thirty five guns.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: What are you doing with those when you find What
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: are you doing with those when you find them? Are
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: you contacting law enforcement or throwing them back in or what?
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 10: Dude, yeah, I used to think to call nine were one,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 10: nine to one one right away. Now we actually I
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 10: try to call precincts. Yeah, and then the precincts precints.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you know. You got to call nine one one, And.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 10: I was like, it's not too much in an emergency,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 10: I have we have all the guns we have at
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 10: the pump times we find grenades, do you have to call?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: I'm a New Yorker and my brother's a new Arker. Yeah,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: it's impossible.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 10: It's nearly impossible to get up any kind of firearm
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 10: license and you want to get called one not in
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 10: New York City?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah nothing.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: Have you ever?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: Have you ever learned about the history of one of
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: those guns, like what crime it was used in, or
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: who owned it or anything like that.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: In the beginning, I was believe or not I was.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: I was actually scared, you know, I was nervous, Like
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: I wasn't brought up around firearms. I'm not don't have
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: a military background. Uh So I was nervous at first, like, oh,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: real gun, what am I gonna do?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 10: And then I find out in the future that there
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 10: is Like you said, there are stories with them, and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 10: we have found some that are so fresh that were
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 10: used only a week ago. And then your research and
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 10: you find out wout this person passed away, this young
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 10: person passed away, And sometimes detectives will actually call us
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 10: with possible subpoenis to.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: Go to court. Yeah, I could get a little I
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: think it's weird.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: I got a little weird.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: I choose sort of not to follow them.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: But there are other magnificiers that want to know the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 10: history and actually who's going to jail and who's what
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 10: crime you think gets all from it?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: But I'm sure we helped out a lot of people.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: A lot so other weird things that you've caught, Anything
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: really historic, anything really old.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, we got we got a World War two
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 10: grenade confirmed by the bomb the bomb squad. And she said,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 10: baby Brooklyn, Yeah, we have two grape shot canniballs Inci
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 10: Park and City. Before the park was made, there was
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 10: a garrison's there for the War of eighteen twelve. You know,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 10: it didn't happen over too much over there, but they
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 10: would practice over there.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: So we got those and some.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 10: Really really old horseshoes on the valley stream. We must
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 10: have like a three three hundred year old horseshoe. The coins,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 10: a lot of coins. You know, other countries coins are
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 10: all magnetic. So in America the only magnetic coin is
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 10: the forty three penny. So I haven't got one yet.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: It's a goal.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's talk about.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: About hold on. What happens when you latch onto something
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: that is too big to yank out, Like you know
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: it's there because you you've got the click, but it
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: ain't budget. What do you do?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: Uh? What I like to call it is you gotta
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: jerk it off. You just gotta you gotta take it
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: right off the back. You gotta really hard, yeah, go
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: of it. Yeah yeah, because when it's because these things
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: are grab right hard. It didn't work out to a
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: big safe. Actually a lot of stafs in New York
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: City as well.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about what happened last year on
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: May thirty. First, tell us where you were at and
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: what you caught.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: So we were actually in.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 10: A park called Flushing, Flushing Queens of Corona Park, and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 10: we were throwing over there. This is like my second
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 10: time over there, and we do have we have found safe.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 10: It's just like this one you're watching.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: Clicked onto it and I was like, oh, it's just
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: gonna be another safe.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: And I stick my fingers in the hole and I
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 10: feel something mushy.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: Which really sounds weird, but it was sacks of bills.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 10: And in my mind, I'm scared right away at this point,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 10: Like when I feel the money, I'm nervous because it's
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 10: no way.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: We're gonna keep it, you know what I mean. And
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: I was like, Babe, I just want to get some knee.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: We're gonna go for pizza. We're gonna grab something you
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: know good. But the money is so bad. The money
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: is so mush and slush.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah you can.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: And I'm just going crazy right now my mind.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: You can see this video of James catching this safe
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: and going through it on our YouTube channel right now.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: So after you reel in the safe, the police had
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: to get involved. What was that process, like.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: Believe it or not?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 10: To this day we get ranked on like why we
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 10: actually contacted the NYPD and aosle in New York City
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 10: that anything over one hundred dollars are supposed to call
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 10: in and uh, we're trying to, you know, get.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: Our channel out there. I'm trying to do whatever I can.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 10: Maybe some and lost it and if they can get
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 10: their money back, I would, yo, do here's your money,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 10: let me get like a hundred bucks. But the police
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 10: were in shock as well. They didn't believe any of it.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 10: They didn't believe it. Then a whole squad comes down
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 10: if you watch.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: Jors the other of our video, and they actually gave us.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 10: The money and and FBI got involved in the same
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 10: thing as well and did their investigation. Took a few hours,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 10: and we walked off with all the money in a
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 10: zip u bag.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Amazing, So it is determined, go ahead.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I'm surprised it was only
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: a couple hours and then you literally walked away that
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: day with that mundy money.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I was in shock as well. We had
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: to go to Washington, DC.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we got to keep the money. And for
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: those who aren't watching on YouTube, those stacks of bills
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: were covered in a black sludge from being underwater so long.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: So how do you go about turning those filthy bills
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: into usable currency?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 10: So the process is done in Bureau of Engraving and
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 10: Printing Printing in Washington, DC. We did some research, they
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 10: found out what happened. They we went right on the bus.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 10: Times Square took a megabus right to DC and went
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 10: to the Engraving and Printing and them the money. They
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 10: explained to us the process. We didn't get to see
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 10: too much of the lab and how they do that.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 10: But it's all going to be put back together.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: Piece by piece. Even the money we didn't it didn't
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: bring because there was more in the safe that was
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: just tiny obliterated pieces. They said we should have brought
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: it because they can put it all they wanted to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: scoop out. Then they can put it all back together.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: It's going to take about two and a half years.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: We have zero sense at all. Then we have one
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: group of people that do it.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but it was.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 10: Only like seven people that do it for the entire
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 10: America put all the money.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. Takes a long time.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 10: And how much How much money was it? They estimated
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 10: between fifty to eighty thousand.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: Only okay only only only now during this process with
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: the police and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, have
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: you learned anything about the origins of the safe, like
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: how old it is or is that still a mystery?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 10: I can only go on by, honestly, by the bills
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 10: that were in there. We had some as far back
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 10: as two thousand and seven and two thousand and nine.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: They had the magnetic strip in so I think the
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: oldest bill is like two thousand and nine.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Honestly, Oh no, not that old.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: It looks like it's been at for barnacle throwing the crazy.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you're you're still like two years away from
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: getting this cash back though, give or take.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 10: They said it could take up to two and a
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 10: half years, so it could be any day now, all right,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 10: you know, well James, Barbie.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: Now James is standing at the pond where he caught
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: the safe and he's got his Magbie on here. Now,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: Oh what's up Barbie? So James is standing at the pond,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: he's got his magnet. Can you show us how it's done.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: See if there's any treasure left in that bit of water?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: They got the we're gonna take.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna take a big toss with the ten nine
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 10: pound magnet here.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: I like to throw like I'm still in high school
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: playing playing baseball. Uh huh.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 10: Basically you just some people could swing however they want.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 10: I like to swing like we're playing baseball.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: So, okay, have you gotten better at this James over
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: the years, dude.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: Yes, challenge me. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 10: As far as I and I'm actually known for that,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 10: I actually want a belt title, actually leather championship belt
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 10: for the longest toss in so far.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, what a tree we're gonna see the world champion
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: magnet thrower. Give it a toss.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Do your thing, James.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 10: I'm not gonna throw that car because I don't have
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 10: that much, bro.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Johann, he could throw farther than that.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: Oh I can.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: I don't have my phone, okay, okay, so what do
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: you what do you think you might grab in there?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe some nails, like you talked about.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 10: We're in the New York are in the middle of New
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 10: York City, so it's probably gonna be a weapon.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: Could be it could be a fire arm, it could
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: be a tone clipper.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 9: Sure.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: Now, if you were really a good guest, James, you'd
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: have planted a handgun in the water for us or something.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: Right, we don't do any of that.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, So you've got the magnet back to shore.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: Usually something.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, see what we got is.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: That a car park?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 10: It is looks like it's one of the New York
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 10: City fire light posts.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: Light bulb.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, so.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: Got some ice breakers. I don't know why.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Something in there?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: Uh huh. Let's see what's in the ice breakers?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: And then yeah, that that went so fast, James, can
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: you give it another toss for us? Let's see what
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: else we can catch.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: Okay, I can clear the rest of our schedule.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you guys got going on today's Okay,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: what do you do with when it's just straight garbage
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: that you catch.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 10: Uh, we collect all the garbage and a bucket, and
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 10: then we disposed with all the receptor.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, all right, James is gonna give a.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: Second toss, really.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Really, uh, put your body into this one. I want
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: to see how far you can throw that thing. Okay,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: he's he's given himself more line. He's confident that this
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: thing is going to touch the other shoreline.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: They want to you guys.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: Got any other questions for James.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I want to return back to the giant safs that
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: you left, like, I don't know how you could ever,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: the guy told you that he's like hooked on the
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: giant safe and then you just moved on. Like what
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: happens with the giant It was stuck.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: And we couldn't move. But it's still there, still there. Yeah,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: I'll take a bigger throw.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: But yeah, bigger throw.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good throw. We're gonna get something really nice.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: It's ten pounds, you know what I mean. That's ten pounds.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yanni is stuck on the safe.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: He's stuck on the big safe. So you know where
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: it is. You can't get it out, but there's a.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 10: Underwater you're into They chopped into the safe so it
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 10: was empty.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: We could see that was empty and there try and
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: get it up to the land. We couldn't get into it.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you have to be at least like six inches.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: Was huge.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: That's the biggest sake.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: We had a little spin handle on it. The one
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: we left was a vault vault.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, now it looks like you got snagged on
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: something there, James. Was that something magnetic or were you
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: just dragging it over a log?
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 10: It could be logs, It could be uh, rocks sometimes
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 10: the stones that people throw in the water.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 10: You know, it could be bikes that are too deep
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 10: that we sometimes.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, the James is bringing the magnet to shore again.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: Let's see what we got this toss. You can go
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: see the World Champion Magnet Toss or on our YouTube
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: channel watch James do his handywork.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: We got a paper clip. Oh, look at that treasure.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: And actual So.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: Think about magnet fishing. Sometimes you're gonna get a paper clip.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: Sometimes you're gonna get a hundred thousand dollars.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: You don't know, that's right, all right, James. If people
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: want to see more of your magnet fishing. How do
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: they go watch it?
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: You could literally just.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 10: Go on online and typing let's get magnetic. We're on
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 10: all social media platforms, but mainly too if you want
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 10: to give me kay and say what's up?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 8: Okay, TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook page.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 10: And one of the one of the interesting thing is
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 10: we get a lot of lures and I always wanted
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 10: to know if these things have value or not.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: I have we have like a box of all you
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: text me some photo, James, We'll get to the bottom.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: Then.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you for joining us, Thanks for teaching us
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: about magnet fishing. Thanks for cleaning up our waterways, and
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: good luck getting that cash refurbished.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: Guys, thank you so much for having us on.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Everyone has fun, everybody, thank you. That was fun. That
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: was great.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun for last you know.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: The one bummer about it is just shows you what
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: kind of dirt bags people are. Yeah, for those guys,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: know the people are cleaning up.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: I mean that's what you want representing the great city
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: of New York right there.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: I mean he's like, yeah, someone else can say that
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: it's there. Hundred k. Just give me a hundred bucks.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: That is for Pete. That guy's great.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: We'll check in with the James again.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: But yeah, there, I want to just plug their their page.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 7: I've got an Instagram page. Two here, it's just let's
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: get magnetic. It's all no, no apostrophe, all one word.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 7: He's on YouTube and Instagram.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: So yeah, doing uh, doing something fun. And they're cleaning
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: up or water while they're Yeah, Brodie, you said your
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: son had a magnet, but he gave up all.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: The centers pretty quick.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he needs to.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: Live in a place like New York City to really
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: appreciate magnet.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe it's a good thing that he never really
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: found anything cool and he went right back to regular
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: fishing after after like an hour doing the magnet fishing.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: That brings us to the end of the show. Phil,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: let's get some final listener feedback.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 7: Yes, sure thing, let's see here. I'll just grab this
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: one because I'm it's that's the first one I saw.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 7: It is Phil hunter fish. The answer is kind of sort.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: Of what's the biggest fish you ever caught? Phil?
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 7: I couldn't even tell you. Yeah, I mean people, a
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 7: lot of people know this. I was not a hunter
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 7: where I started working here and I still probably wouldn't
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 7: consider myself a hunter, but I've gone out several times.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: The only person who really invites me out is col
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 7: So thanks to Cal and no thanks to anybody in
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 7: this room.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: Oh no, but yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Mostly I've just.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 7: Say, you know, an upland ducks, turkey, just pretty much
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  Speaker 7: just birds so far, that's kind of all I'm really
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  Speaker 7: interested in. I'm not really chomping out the bit to
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  Speaker 7: get out in the woods, but I wouldn't say no.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I'm saying. Would you take some meat
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  Speaker 3: if we hadn't meat for you?
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, well totally we can do that. Let's see
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  Speaker 7: you complete the fifth on this one. But maybe it'll
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  Speaker 7: just kind of show you your true colors.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 7: Our good buddy Leland asks if you had to join
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  Speaker 7: just one conservation organization, which one would it be.
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  Speaker 3: That's a tough I think we've talked about this before.
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  Speaker 3: But if I was just joining one and my membership
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  Speaker 3: always ran out, I'd join a different one the next
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  Speaker 3: year then, so I'd spread my memberships around. But for
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  Speaker 3: the rest of my life. I don't know what the
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  Speaker 3: answer would be. What do you boys think?
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  Speaker 1: I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a tough question. Maybe tr tr CP doesn't
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  Speaker 5: you don't really have a membership there. Yeah, you can
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  Speaker 5: still support like some like I like them because they're
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  Speaker 5: like in DC, like hopefully like affecting policy that you know.
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  Speaker 5: That's that's a good choice there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think any of the groups that are non species
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  Speaker 2: specific that really work across the entire country and for
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  Speaker 2: all you know, outdoors people, So maybe tr CP or
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  Speaker 2: the Sportsman's Alliance or howell you know that are really
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  Speaker 2: involved across the board.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the ones that I benefit the most from probably
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  Speaker 3: National Dear Association and Pheasants Forever because in my home
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: state of South Dakota they do a lot of great
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  Speaker 3: habitat work and that same habitat work is good for
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: deer as well. But I'd probably go with something that's
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  Speaker 3: oriented towards access like b h A, because uh, if
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  Speaker 3: I have places to go hunt fish wouldn't matter.
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  Speaker 5: But man, it look, have you got like a critter
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  Speaker 5: you like the most, turkeys or mule deer or whatever. Like,
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  Speaker 5: It's not like you're not making a bad choice by
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: supporting those groups either, That's right?
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  Speaker 3: What else you got?
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  Speaker 7: Phil Caleb asks, as a beginner to turkey hunting. What
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  Speaker 7: would be the cruise go to call or a Phelps
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: family here. But if you guys have any sort of
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  Speaker 7: specific Phelps calls that are beginner friendly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, for me, it's answer is easy. It's always just
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: a basic slate call, pot calling. Yeah, basic slate pot call,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: very easy to use, can make all kinds of sounds, loud, quiet,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: that's it right.
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  Speaker 7: Colin asks what's your favorite fish dish, whether to prepare
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: it or eat it?
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  Speaker 3: Beer battered fish. Can't beat it, That's it's my favor.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: You're a beer batter.
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  Speaker 5: I can't do the beer batter man when not, I
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: just I like, I like when I eat in restaurants,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: I'm like, this is way too much shit around the fish,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: and that when I've tried at home, I haven't been
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: able to like do it to the point where I'm like,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: this is better than bread and fried breaded fish.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Sure, I'd like to see you or I'd like to
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: try your version and see how you pull it off,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: because yeah, I know other people that are big beer
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: batter folks, but yeah, I'm kind of with Brody. I'm like, Eh,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: it's good for the first couple of pieces, and then
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like Yeah, it's a lot of stuff.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: We'll have a fish fry sometime.
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  Speaker 5: But it's like, this is a tough one to pick
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: one fish dish because there's like very different kinds of fish, right,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: Like there's fish like perch and walleye that are awesome fried,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: but then there's like salmon, which is like awesome grilled.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: So that's what I go with fried fish grilled fish,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: depending on what kind of fish it is.
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  Speaker 2: Honest, Yeah, it's not the dish so much. I'd say
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: that more of just the species itself. And one of
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: the fish I was going to possibly use for my
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: the our top three fish segment was a yellow eye
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: rock fish I caught years ago at Steve's fish Shack.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: And uh, you know that thing is like a It's
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: like a grouper and a scallop had a baby, you know,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: That's what their flesh is like. Like you literally just
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: don't need to add anything to it, you know, besides
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: a little bit of salt and and again just cooked
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: very plain and simple.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: If I wasn't picking beer banded fish, I do like
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: a very Midwestern chowder that would be very creamy, have
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: some corn in it. You can put about any fish
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: in there besides a salmon.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: I do like a good we do it.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: We do a salmon chowder is great, it's popular in Northwest.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, put any fish in there. Tell what else you got,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Let's do a few more.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: Okay, this is the by far the question we've been
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 7: getting the most. But there's a lot of misinformation about
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: it out there, but we should probably just say a
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: few words about it. What does the crew think about
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: the dire Wolf de extinction?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: They're not dire Wolves number one. The branding is all wrong.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: Cover of Times, Look magazine, look up our body. Jim
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: helflefingers post on it. He's got a good Instagram post
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: on it. I think it's like a giant marketing campaign.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's conservation as they're proposing it is.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: And then like I'll leave it at that.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and you can if you want more information Straight
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 7: from the Horse's Mouth, episode five sixty four of the
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 7: Media podcast. We had Matt James of Colossal by Biosciences
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 7: on the show. Joannis and Brodie were in the room
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 7: for that time. So yeah, you can check that out
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 7: for more info.
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  Speaker 3: And if we if we had the ability to actually
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: bring things back from extinction. Let's focus on the things
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: that we cause to go extinct, not some critter that
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: died during the ice age. How about the dodo or
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: passenger pigeon? Is it the white rhino that we're got
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: like one left of in the world. Let's let's de
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: extinct those. But yeah, the or keep ship from going
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: extend about that? That's right. We got a lot of
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: efforts that we could focus on that area.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 7: Uh, yeah, we'll do one more kind of running out
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: of him here. But Chris asked, does the crew have
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 7: aversion to hunt the Pacific Northwest temperate rainforest obviously prove
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: a serious challenge of fine game, but could definitely make
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 7: for some awesome content. Cheers from the Olympic Peninsula. I
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 7: have noticed that it's a bit light on Pacific Northwest content.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: Is there a reason for that?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: Specific?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: I mean Southeast Alaska is oh, yeah, sure, climate was
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: very similar, very similar, So I don't think. I think
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: that's probably like Steve owns a place up there, so
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: that's why they're going there. I don't think there's an
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: aversion to it, is there? You honest?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: No, I've been looking at you know, maybe going hunting
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: blacktail deer in that neck of the woods. But for
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of the other species there or those states
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: just generally aren't very friendly to non residents. It's not
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: easy to get tags in Oregon and Washington. So I
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: know there's some out there. I'd love to go hunting
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Roosevelt at some point.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Phelps and those guys they hunt.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 7: Ye, yeah, that's that's Phelps home turf over there. He's
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 7: he's in the in the forest deep.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, is it organ? I don't think they do preference points.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: No organ does. I think that's one reason why it's
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: real tough to get.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 7: And it's very different climate wise. But Cal's done several
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: things in eastern Oregon that you can see on on YouTube.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Washington's a tough state for non residents too,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: all right, is that it?
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Phil? Oh? I like Matt's question about once in a
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: Lifetime tags?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, last question?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 7: Am I blind here?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 7: Matt asks what are the room's thoughts on quote once
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 7: in a lifetime tag drawings?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: The PA Game Commission is pushing to change the bowelt
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 7: tag till once in a lifetime format.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: I mean my thought is is a lot of those
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: a lot of tags that aren't once in a lifetime
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: tags like that aren't done that way, like sheep or
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: mountain goat or and a lot of cases moose in
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: the lower forty eight, they were once in a lifetime
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: tags anyway, really, right, So I don't have a problem
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: with like if I draw a big horn sheep tag
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: and kill a big horn sheep in Montana, say, I'd
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: be fine if it was once in a lifetime.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it should be that way. I prefer
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: it that way because, yeah, it is such a limited
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: resource and if I was to get so lucky to
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: draw it too, right, and there's hundreds of the other
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: people that are, you know, waiting and waiting and want
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: that experience, Like, yeah, I don't think I should get
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: a second opportunity. I think someone else should get there first.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: And for I mean we're talking specifically lower forty eight here, right,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: Like if you did, if you drew them out and
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: goat tag in wherever Colorado and it was once in
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: a lifetime and you really wanted to go hunt one again,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: you could, you know, go hunt them in Alaska or
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: somewhere like that.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: If that's right, You know that's right?
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: Agree? With what you boys said, all right. That brings
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: this to the end of the show. See everyone back
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: in the new week. Thanks for watching, Thanks for listening.