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Kristen Modafferi Pt. Two · The Path Went Chilly

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Welcome back to the Path Wind, Chile for part two of our series about
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the disappearance of Christian Mota Feri. Robin, do you want to catch everyone
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up on what we talked about in our previous episode. Well, Kristin Montiferi
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lived with her family in North Carolina, got a full scholarship to North Carolina
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State University, but decided to spend the summer of nineteen ninety seven living in
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San Francisco so that she could take a photography course at the University of California,
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Berkeley. Kristin arrived right around her eighteenth birthday. She got a job
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at a Look coffee shop and was there for about three weeks, where she
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would work the morning shift, then at three pm every day she would go
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out and see the sights of San Francisco, and she finally worked a shift
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which was scheduled the day before she was going to start her photography class,
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but then she just mysteriously vanished without a trace. A couple of her coworkers
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would recall seeing her at the mall with an unidentified blonde woman, and a
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couple weeks later, a man named John Ouma phoned in a tip to the
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news accusing two women that he knew of murdering Kristen, which turned out to
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be completely false because Onuma decided to get revenge on them because they had had
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some friction with his girlfriend and he thought that the best way to deal with
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it would be too falsely accuse them of murders. It turned out that they
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had nothing to do with Kristen's case, and even though Onuma said that it
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was just a stupid prank and that he had read about Kristen's case in the
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newspapers, people became more suspicious towards him because he turned out that he had
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a history of troubling behavior. As the years would come on, a bunch
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of women would come forward and say that they had been abused and tortured and
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scammed out of money by Numa, and apparently he said to one of them
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that she was going to wind up dead, just like Kristin Modiferi. But
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they also turned out that Kristin had possibly filed a personal ad in a local
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newspaper seeking companionship, and because Onuma was known for using other women in order
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to lure his victims to him, there has been speculation that the blonde woman
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seen at the mall with Kristin might have been involved somehow and could have been
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Onuma's girlfriend at the time, Jill Lampo, wearing a blonde wig. But
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in the end they never found any conclusive evidence to link Onuma to Kristen's disappearance.
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I know that a cadaver dog has detected kristen scent near the Sutro Bass,
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a tourist attraction located near the Pacific Ocean, but they've never been able
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to conclusively establish she was there, And in recent years, cadaver dogs have
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also detected kristen scent at the house in Oakland where she had been staying with
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four other male roommates, but they were never considered to be suspects and there's
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no evidence that foul play took place there. So after twenty seven years,
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this case is still unsolved and we have no idea what happened to Kristin or
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if she was the victim of foul play. So before we start discussing the
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known facts of the case, we want to talk about another odd lead which
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wasn't shared in Part one. Believe it or not, one person who's been
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looked at as a potential suspect in Kristen's disappearance is notorious convicted murderer Robert Durst.
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I'm sure most of you already know who Durst is, as he was
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a subject of a multi episode documentary series The Jinx The Life and Death of
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Robert Durst, which aired on HBO in twenty fifteen. Durst has always been
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the prime suspect in the nineteen eighty two disappearance of his a strange wife,
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Kathleen McCormick Durst, and during the filming of The Jink new evidence was uncovered
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to implicate Durst in the murder of a friend of his named Susan Berman,
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who was shot to death inside her home in Los Angeles on December twenty third,
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two thousand. Durst was charge of Bourbon's murder the day before the final
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episode of The Jinks aired, and in September twenty twenty one, Durst was
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finally convicted of the crime at trial and received a sentence of life imprisonment.
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Shortly thereafter, Durst was finally charged with second degree murder in his former wife's
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death, even though her remains have never been found, and these events were
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recently chronicled in The Jinks Part two, which dropped on HBO a few months
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ago. You're probably also aware that Durst once went on trial for the two
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thousand and one murder of a man named Morris Black, though he wound up
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being acquitted on the grounds of self defense. So officially, Durst has been
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implicated in the murders of three people, but attempts have been made to link
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him to some unsolved cold cases, many of them involving young missing women,
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and in an odd coincidence, when Robin recorded his original Trail Went Cold episode
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on the Christian Modi Faery case back in January of twenty twenty two, Durst
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died in prison a few days later. Okay, Robin, can you tell
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us more about the girls that he or these unsolved cold cases that Durst might
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have been tied to, Because I was obsessed with the jings, both parts
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of it thought it was fascinating and he's such a disturbed individual, but I
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had never heard that there were other unsolved cases that he might be tied to,
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especially Kristen's. Well, I'm going to talk about them right now,
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and you might recall that we did a bonus minisode on The Path Went Chiley
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about the first one I'm going to talk about, which is the nineteen seventy
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one disappearance of eighteen year old Lynn Cholsey, who vanished while attending Middlebury College
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in Middlebury, Vermont. The main reason durst has been looked at as a
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potential suspect in that case was because he owned a health food store in Middlebury
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at the time, and Lynn Scholsey was supposed seen frequenting the store a short
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time before she went missing. On November twenty fifth, nineteen ninety seven,
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five months after Kristin Mota Feri disappeared, sixteen year old Karen Mitchell vanished after
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visiting her aunt at a shoe store she owned at Bayshore Mall in Eureka,
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California, and an eyewitness reported seeing Karen climb into a light blue sedan being
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driven by an unidentified white male believed to be in his sixties or seventies.
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At the time, Dursta was living in the nearby town of Trinidad and had
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reportedly been seen frequenting the shoe store belonging to Karen's aunt, as well as
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a soup kitchen where Karen often volunteered, and he also does have a bit
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of a resemblance to the composite sketch of the older man seen driving the sedan.
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As for a Kristin Motaferi, there really isn't much to link Durst to
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her case at all, other than the fact that he owned a house in
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San Francisco during that time period. Though shortly after Durst was arrested in twenty
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fifteen, one of Kristin's sisters made a public plea for Durst to come clean
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and reveal what happened to Kristen if he was responsible for her disappearance. Wow,
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so even Christen's sister said it's possible that there is a link. It's
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disturbing because Darst is so He's incredibly smart and manipulative and somehow charismatic to people.
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Where they go towards him, they're drawn towards him. I think a
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lot of that had to do with money and a desire to have wealth to
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your name by being associated with him, or experiences being associated with him.
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But you know, for young women who were looking for someone with culture and
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knowledge and access to experiences and things like that, I could see where Durst
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became an attractive individual despite all of his bizarre quirks. But without there being
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much to go on. I'm assuming Durst is not really a main lead in
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her case. Is that right? Pretty much? Yeah? I mean,
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the the only reason people have looked at her at him as a potential suspect
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in the Christen Moda Fairy case is because Karen Mitchell just happened to go missing
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a few months later, And even though there's pretty much a tentative connection there,
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at least in that one, you have a suspect to kind of resembles
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Durst, and I think they were just looking at these similar cases of young
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women going missing in California so close apart will Durst happened to be living in
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the area that they kind of put two and two together. But I don't
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think this would have happened unless Durst had been a suspect in those other crimes
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we talked about, like the disappearance of his former wife and the murder of
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Susan Berman. If you've seen The Jinx, you'll know that Dursts sometimes like
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to dress and drag in order to disguise his appearance. So one of the
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more outrageous theories in this case is that he could have been the mysterious blonde
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woman seen with Kristin at the galleria. However, the Oakland pd IS announced
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that they never found any evidence to connect Rst to Kristen's disappearance, and it
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sounds like he's pretty much all but been ruled out as a suspect. In
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fact, if it wasn't for Durst's relatively tenuous connection to Karen Mitchell's disappearance,
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which took place five months later, I'm not sure anyone would have ever attempted
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to link him to Christian's case at all. Well, Durst is undeniably a
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murderer. It sounds like he only killed people whom he considered to be an
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obstacle or threat to him, So I'm not sure that being a predator who
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targets random young victims like Lynn Cholsey, Christian MOTIFERI, and Karen Mitchell was
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part of his modus operandi. The Durst connection was definitely worth mentioning here,
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but I ultimately believe he has nothing to do with this case. Yes,
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I definitely think when you look at some of the other case, especially Karen's,
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he was present often times, like going to the soup kitchen she volunteered.
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Dad. He has no reason to beat the soup kitchen, and there's
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those kind of bizarre ways that he would show up in scenarios where he didn't
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belong that would definitely make Karen's case seem like, hey, we need to
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look at this guy with kristin just saying it's another young girl who disappeared.
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Yes, there was the blonde lane in the mall, but no one reported
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that she was distinguished looking or odd looking, or looked like she had a
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wig on or anything like that. So I would tend to think it's just
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a kind of loose link of saying it's possible. But I would be much
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more inclined to think it's her going out and exploring and getting caught up with
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the wrong person and or John having something to do with it. And it's
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kind of funny how when I mentioned Robert Durst on my original Trail in Cold
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episode, he died a few days later, And earlier this year I did
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another Trail and Cold episode where I made reference to OJ Simpson and then he
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died a few days later. So it seems like if we mentioned notorious murderers,
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they'll drop dead. Maybe it's good. Should we talk about Should we
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talk about John o'numa. Now, there are alternate theories which do not involve
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Kristin being the victim of foul play, as it's possible that she could have
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traveled to land End on the day she disappeared and accidentally fallen into the Pacific
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Ocean near Sutra Bass before her body washed away. In fact, if she
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was feeling suicidal, she theoretically could have jumped into the ocean to take her
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own life. But this is one case where I'm pretty confident that there's absolutely
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nothing to back up a suicide theory unless she did a very effective job at
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hiding her depression from everyone. I suppose we can't completely discount the possibility that
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Kristin fell into the ocean accidentally. But the problem is that we can't even
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conclusively establish that she was at this location on June the twenty third, even
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though a bloodhound detector is sent there. Kristin had mentioned attending a summer Solstice
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party at Ocean Beach two days earlier, on June the twenty first. Yes,
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it was also never established that Kristin attended this party, but this could
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provide an alternate explanation for her scent being picked up on that area, as
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bloodhous are not going to be able to pinpoint the exact date as scent was
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left there. It's possible this entire lead is nothing more than a red herring.
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But regardless of whether Christen traveled with that location on the twenty first or
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twenty third, I do believe she went missing because she cross passed with the
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wrong person after her final shift at Spinelli's. That's exactly what I think would
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have happened. I think that she crossed paths with somebody. It's possible it's
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this blonde lady who kind of intercepted her at the mall. And you,
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if you've ever been in one of those situations where you start talking to a
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stranger and you can't really get away, It's possible something like that happened where
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she kind of felt obligated to continue this conversation with her. It's possible this
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lady presented as knowing a lot about the city and could show her places.
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And is it the woman who heard her, or is it that she did
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get away from that woman and then ran into somebody else on her adventure who
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took advantage of her. I think both are possible avenues, which, like
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we said before is what makes this so complicated. Blonde lady could be nothing
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but a red who's just distracting us from the actual perpetrator. The blonde lady
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could have been working with John to target her and get a vulnerable person in
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his care. Or she could have left that blonde woman and gone on a
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totally different route and not had anything to do with John or this per Now,
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for me, I don't think that that beach scent is very powerful whatsoever.
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If she had been down to the beach in the last couple of days,
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the dogs would have hit on her scent, And so is it possible
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she was there that night or that day. Sure, but she definitely was
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there two days beforehand. That we believe she was there two days beforehand,
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So it doesn't really give us much information. I do not think she was
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suicidal. This girl is chasing a major dream and putting all the puzzle pieces
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into place to make it come true, like working, getting her living situation,
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getting ready to start her dream class at Berkeley. She was a go
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getter and she was pumped about this dream. She was on really being a
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tourist, getting to explore a new place. No part of me thinks that
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she took her own life. I'm curious, but what is both of your
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gut feelings about the blonde woman. Do you think that she's somehow is complicit
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in this crime or as part of this or do you think that she's a
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red herring. I'm even considering the possibility that her coworkers may have been mistaken
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that maybe they saw someone else who wasn't Kristin with a blonde woman, or
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maybe saw her on a different day if that wasn't her final shift, and
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just got the dates mixed up. But that's the thing is that if John
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o'numa was responsible, then I would think that Jill Lampo would be the prime
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suspect to be the blonde woman. But she was a brunette at the time,
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and I don't know if she's the type of person who would go to
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the trouble of putting on a blonde wig in order to lure Kristin to her
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boyfriend. I think that she could have just been somebody who was there talking
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to Kristin, and she's one of these kiddos who's just kind of on this
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journey to it explore the city and to kind of meet new people and have
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new cultural experiences. So if she meets someone interesting and she's just talking to
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them, I could see her spending forty five minutes talking to somebody new and
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then walking away. I don't see it being someone who abducted her. I
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mean, could you have taken her somewhere that was dangerous, yes, But
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I also think it could have just been her being social and getting caught up
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in a conversation with someone who was interesting to her at the time. Yeah,
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I've got nothing to back it up, but it feels to me like
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gut feeling that it's a red herring. I mean, she could have come
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across so many different people while working at Spinelli's, because it appears that she
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worked a great deal. If she had a paycheck of four hundred dollars,
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that seems like she would have had to have worked a lot of hours back
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then to have that type of a paycheck. So she's opening herself up to
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a variety of people there, and like as she brought up in Part one,
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having this if it was her personal ad that she'd placed looking for friends,
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she's also opening herself up there. So there's just so many different possibilities
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that the idea that this woman has to be tied to her disappearance is like
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tenuous at best. So on our last episode, we mentioned a guy named
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Dennis Mann who approached the Modifery family back in nineteen ninety seven to volunteer to
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assist them with the investigation. He traveled to California and essentially lived in a
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van while he tracked down leads and interviewed people connected to the case. It
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sounds like he expected Kristen to be found within a couple of months and never
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dreamed this case would still be unsolved twenty seven years later. But regardless,
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Mann is not given up, which is why he continues to run his website
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find Christian dot com and released a multi episode podcast with the same title in
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twenty twenty. Throughout his investigation, Mann was able to dig up some interesting
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new information about John and Numa and Joe Lampo, and while there's still no
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direct evidence that they had any involvement in Christian's disappearance, there is a good
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reason to believe that at the very least, they might know more than they're
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letting on now. Regardless of whether or not he's guilty of harming kristin it,
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seems indisputable that John o'numa is a pretty terrible human because he's seriously hampered
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the investigation by phoning in a false tip to implicate two innocent women, And
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if even a fraction of the allegations about him abusing other women and conning them
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out of their money are true, then he's damn lucky that he's not in
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prison for something. The women who have accused a Numa of abuse claimed that
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he would use other women in order to lure them to him, and with
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the evidence that we have, it's easy to imagine a similar scenario happening to
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Kristin. A newspaper containing a circled personal ad was found in Christian's room in
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which the writer was seeking a female companion for a number of the same hobbies
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at Christen Light. So it's possible that a new placed the ad and she
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answered it. But since Kristen was living inside a house with only male roommates,
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perhaps she was looking for female friends and place the ad herself. In
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fact, she did tell her roommates that she went to the Summer Solstice party
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at Ocean Beach with two women on June twenty first, but they were never
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identified. Whatever the case, it's reasonable to assume that Christian might have met
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the unidentified blonde woman seen with her at the galleria through the personal ad.
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It sounds like it was very at a character for Kristin to still be hanging
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around the mall, to still be hanging around the mall forty five minutes after
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her shift ended, But part of me wonders if Christian's coworkers saw her from
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a distance, it might have mistaken her for someone else, or maybe just
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misremember the date and actually saw Kristin and the blonde on a previous occasion.
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The coworkers described them as walking shoulder to shoulder, which seems to indicate that
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they were together and it was not just a coincidental sighting where Kristin was just
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passing some random strangers that she did not know. But if deciding was accurate,
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then it's possible the blonde had some sort of involvement in Christian's disappearance,
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particularly since she's never come forward. It is odd that she hasn't come forward,
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but it's also very possible she never saw call to come forward. It's
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possible she didn't know Kristen that well, and so it wasn't paying attention to
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the news. And remember back then you didn't have things like the Internet,
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and you just didn't have the same access to media and news stories and things
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like that. So it's very possible this is someone else who's traveling. It's
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very possible that this is another student who comes and goes from campus. So
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all kinds of reasons why you might not have had that blonde come forward,
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More so than just being someone who's guilty, right, there could have been
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a very innocent reason why they never came forward. Also, if their young
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fear of being implicated in something they didn't have anything to do with might prevent
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them from coming forward as well. Now, if Onuba was behind the whole
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thing, then the most promising candidate to be the blonde is Jill Lampo.
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But, like we mentioned earlier, Lampo is a brunette. So unless Lampo
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dyed her hair or was wearing a blonde wig, could it be possible that
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Ouma was using other women to lure his victims to him during this time period.
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Well, here's what odd piece of evidence which suggests that Lampo may have
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some complicity. In June of twenty twelve, Lambeau had a lengthy and very
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emotional phone call with her uncle, which prompted him to start taking notes and
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writing down what she was saying. At one point, Lampo supposedly shared a
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story about having once dated a controlling man in San Francisco who convinced her to
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quote unquote assist in an unspeakable kidnap and murder. Well, these notes eventually
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made their way into the hands of Dennis Mann, and you can see a
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photograph of them at the Fine Christian website. These notes were turned over to
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the Oakland PD, but it doesn't sound like this lead has gone anywhere,
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as Lampo did not provide any specific details about this quote unquote kidnap and murder,
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and even though it was reasonable to assume that this quote unquote controlling man
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in San Francisco was John Onuma, she never actually referred to him by name.
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Lampo did agree to be interviewed during a KGOTV segment that aired five years
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later, where she claimed that she was at the library on the day Christen
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disappeared and even held up her library card for the camera. Though I'm not
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entirely sure how this card is supposed to prove that she was there on June
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the twenty third, nineteen ninety seven. However, when asked about the false
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tip that Onuma phone did during that time period, Lampo did not hesitate to
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express her suspicions about him, stating, quote to me, that would imply
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guilt. If you're going to call and draw attention to yourself, that implies
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you want attention for some reason. End quote. It's almost like she's putting
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little breadcrumbs out there to say, yes, something's wrong with him, or
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look at him, but I don't want to be associated with it. There's
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a very little reason the uncle would share this kind of information about the emotional
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phone call with her unless a he wants attention or two he's actually highly concerned
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about Lampo and or John and wanting to provide that kind of information to the
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police. But for me, when you do look at what she says,
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she said, this would imply guilt. If you're going to call and draw
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attention to yourself, it implies you want attention for some reason. And we
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talked about that earlier. John is an attention seeker. He's a problem starter.
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And for someone who made a mistake and did this horrible call to police,
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misleading the investigation, and said, oh, crap, I went too
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far. Shouldn't have done that. You should naturally fade away. John seems
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to continue to one up and continue to put his hand out to say,
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please look at me, include me in the coverage of this case years and
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years later. So I tend to believe what Lampo's saying when she says,
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hey, if you're going to call and draw attention to yourself, it implies
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you want attention for some reason aka guilt. She probably knows a lot more
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than what she's saying. And it is crazy to think, like we were
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talking about how ridiculous it was that when this first happened, when Onuma phoned
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in that false tip, he was thirty six years old at the time.
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He wasn't just some stupid teenager or some stupid kid, And now he would
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be in his early sixties, and he still is not shying away from the
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atension of this case. Whenever they try to interview him about it, he
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is willing to go on the record and speak to the cameras. So he's
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still not trying to distance himself from it, even though he's becoming a senior
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citizen. But before we talk anymore about Jill Lampo or John and Numa,
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we have to discuss another possible angle, and that's the possibility that Christian was
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harmed by one or more of the four male roommates that she was living with
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in Oakland. Their living situation was a bit unusual, as the house was
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going through foreclosure and the landlord had stopped paying the mortgage. However, since
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the foreclosure process usually took several months, Kristin and the other roommates could still
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keep living in the house as the actual eviction was not actually scheduled to take
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place until the end of the summer, by which time Kristin would return to
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North Carolina for her sophomore year at NC State. I know that one of
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these roommates had recently broken up with a girlfriend who'd moved out of the house
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to travel to France, which is why a spare room became available for Kristin
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to rent. Now, while the idea of an eighteen year old like Kristin
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living alone in a strange city at a house with four other guys she didn't
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even know might sound like a major red flag, it must be stated that
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Dennis Men personally interviewed most of these roommates and thought they were nice, cordial
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guys who didn't give off any suspicious vibes, so he's inclined to believe that
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none of them had anything to do with Kristen's disappearance. Guess it might seem
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odd that they waited three days with without reporting Kristin missing and did not take
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the initiative to call the police until after they spoke with her father, But
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the fact of the matter is that she'd only been there for three weeks,
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and it's not like any of them had a close relationship with her. The
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roommates were going in and out of the house all the time, and Kristen's
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routine was pretty much waking up early to work the morning shift at Spinelli's,
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exploring San Francisco after a shift ended, and then returning home late at night.
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These guys never saw Kristin all that much to begin with, so this
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probably explains why they didn't become alarmed when she didn't return home on the evening
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of June twenty third. Absolutely, I don't see this as suspicious at all.
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These guys had their own lives, Kristen's eighteen. She wasn't really close
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to these people. She had just been there a couple of weeks, so
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it is kind of this place to line my head. But she's not getting
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her socialization and bonding from the people inside her house. So the fact that
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they don't report her missing, the assumption would be she's living her own life.
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The girl comes and goes when she wants. We don't keep tabs on
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each other, so why would we report her missing? Now? What speaks
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volumes is at the moment they get a voicemail on the home answering machine and
26:10
they hear her parents saying, has anyone seen Kristen? We're concerned something's not
26:15
right. One of them calls right back, and all of them start to
26:18
go into action to help the parents. While they're on their way over to
26:22
San Francisco, they're making reports to the police that she's missing. So I
26:26
just don't see them being helpful to the parents and being concerned when the parents
26:33
express concern. I don't see that being any kind of red flags other than
26:38
just these other kids living their life until adults say help, something's wrong,
26:44
and they say, okay, tell me what to do. Under normal circumstances,
26:48
there really wouldn't be much reason to suspect these roommates of any involvement,
26:52
But we can't ignore the findings of Buster, the cadaver dog who detected the
26:56
scent of human decomposition at the house two decades later, and the fact that
27:02
a chemical signature denoting the presence of human blood was found near the location.
27:07
Now, I must admit that I'm pretty confused about the whole DNA testing process,
27:11
as DNA samples provided by Christen's parents supposedly matched the DNA within some decomposition
27:18
chemicals found at the scene. This seemed to indicate that Christen's blood had been
27:22
there twenty years earlier. But the issue is that the proprietary device doctor R.
27:26
Pod Vas used to make these findings was so new that it was still
27:30
under patent review at that time, so he couldn't provide much of an explanation
27:34
of how this device actually worked. The details are pretty murky, but I
27:40
get the impression that the Oakland PD may not believe these findings are credible enough
27:45
to prove that foul play took place there, which is why they've never attempted
27:48
to perform any additional searches. If nothing else. The findings would require a
27:53
lot of independent scientific verification before they could be used as evidence to make an
27:59
arrest or bring someone to trial. I'm not a fan of any of this
28:04
evidence that came about when we're looking at doctor r pad Vas's information. To
28:10
me, again, I think that the idea that you have these private experts
28:15
who can kind of work within any realm they want to. There aren't the
28:19
same restrictions, there are not the same protocols, there's not the same standards,
28:23
and there's not the same communication with family. I have trouble when you
28:29
mix a lot of those kinds of individuals into an investigation who are providing this
28:33
incredibly promising information to the family and claiming that they've told the police, and
28:38
the police don't react. If you told me you had a DNA hit and
28:44
you shared it with law enforcement, why would they not want to work towards
28:48
finding out what happened to this eighteen year old girl. I think there's something
28:52
a little bit more fishy going on, especially when you look at these kind
28:55
of new technologies and these tests that are performed years later. It's suspicious to
29:00
me. It rings more of someone trying to exploit the family, and or
29:04
not being as well versed in their craft as they claim to be, and
29:08
just trying to present as a bigger influence in the case than they're able to
29:12
do. I started rolling my eyes, and I'm thinking, Yeah, this
29:15
DNA testing where the DNA from Christen's parents supposedly matched the DNA within some decomposition
29:22
chemicals, is making me think that this is nothing more than junk science.
29:26
But let's just say that these findings are credible even if Buster the cadaver dog
29:32
was accurate and some sort of human decomposition did take place at that location.
29:37
Let's not forget the Buster ones detected the remains of buried soldiers who were killed
29:41
during World War Two. Human decomposition chemicals can remain in the soil for centuries,
29:48
so for all we know, Buster could have detected a scent from a
29:51
body which had once decomposed on that spot hundreds of years ago, and his
29:56
reaction may not have had anything to do with Kristen's case. And the chemical
30:00
signature denoting the presence of blood was not found inside Christian's former house, but
30:04
rather at the base of the porch steps for the residence next door, which
30:08
had been a halfway house for juvenile offenders who violated their probation back in nineteen
30:14
ninety seven. This might imply that Christian could have crossed paths with one of
30:18
the offenders from the residents and they did something to her near the porch steps
30:22
before moving her body. But from what I can tell, this place mostly
30:26
housed juvenile drug offenders rather than violent, hardcore criminals. Yeah, I absolutely
30:33
think that when you look at the presence of blood, that when you say
30:37
that there was a presence of this blood, or that you know there were
30:41
decomposition chemicals and things like that, there could have been so many elements that
30:47
fed into that reading and that fed into that conclusion. And so even those
30:52
kids, those juvelenal Lincolns, what if they had gotten in a fight and
30:55
someone had broken their nose, or there had been tissue that they sneezed out
31:00
or coughed out or something like that. There's so many reasons you could have
31:06
those things occur. I just don't think that Kristen was at the residence when
31:11
she was hurt. I think she was exploring and got caught up with someone
31:15
who was promising her an adventure, someone who wanted to be her quote friend
31:19
and take her somewhere, and she trusted the wrong person. I just don't
31:23
see the four guys at the house being the people who did that when she
31:27
just wasn't a part of their kind of daily interaction. I almost think had
31:33
they been super close, the roommates and Kristin, I'd be a little bit
31:37
more suspicious, like maybe one of them had come on to her and she
31:41
denied them, or maybe they had gotten in a fight or something like that.
31:45
But I really feel like this was a state of convenience and that all
31:48
of them kind of lived these separate lives. I just don't see the home
31:52
being a big place of interest for the investigation. And I feel like we
31:56
could almost write off the juvenile offenders because the sophistication that it would take to
32:00
be able to dispose of a body. They just don't have the tools and
32:05
implements at the ready for them, such as a vehicle and all the other
32:09
things that would be required to do that. They are accountable to the people
32:13
at the halfway house, and although most of them might be leaving to work
32:16
and to reintegrate into society, it doesn't mean that they have all the time
32:22
in the world, and that they would be able to manage something like concealing
32:27
a body and disposing of it in a way that would never be found.
32:30
I would pray there'd be more supervision and things like that for juvenile offenders who
32:35
are needing to be in a home. There'd be more where people were watching,
32:37
and wouldn't they wouldn't have time to do any of that. Yeah,
32:42
The problem with these findings is that we have no eyewitnesses or any evidence that
32:45
could confirm Kristin return to this location at any point after she left Spinelle's on
32:51
June the twenty third. Remember, this house was in Oakland, and Kristin
32:54
went missing in San Francisco, as she always used the Bay Area Rapid Transit
33:00
system to commute back and forth across San Francisco Bay. John Onomah only lived
33:05
a mile away from the Crocker Galleria, so if he was responsible for harming
33:08
Kristin, it doesn't make any sense for him to transport her body back to
33:13
Oakland, unless perhaps Numa followed Kristin back to her house or she invited him
33:17
there. But if something happened to Kristin at that location, what are the
33:22
odds that none of her four roommates would have seen anything. When I first
33:25
heard about these new discoveries at the house years ago, I thought they might
33:30
edge this case ever so closer to being solved. But they've only complicated things
33:35
and made the circumstances of Kristen's disappearance a lot more confusing. Yeah, I
33:39
think they've been distracting. I think that there are things that gave false hope
33:44
and false promises, and yet when you look at her last whereabouts, it
33:47
doesn't really make sense. No one saw her being on any kind of transportation
33:53
to get home, no one saw her arrive at home, no one saw
33:59
her over in Oaka. So to me, you've got to focus more on
34:01
the mall where we know she was last seen, possibly that blonde lady,
34:07
but especially the mall area that's the location you started, and focus on the
34:13
house. I don't think she made it home after her shift, so I
34:15
don't see that being a place that needs any further investigation unless new information came
34:22
forward. What we have now seems like a distraction now. Dennis Mann has
34:27
presented a very interesting theory about how the police bloodhound, which track Kristen sent
34:31
to the Sutro baths, may have led the investigation in the wrong direction.
34:37
As you recall, they followed Kristen Sent from the Crocker Galleria to the number
34:42
thirty eight bus stop on Geary Street, and that bus route traveled west to
34:45
Suture Heights Park at Land's End, And since Kristin attended to her coworkers that
34:51
she was planning to go there, the police operated under the assumption that Kristin
34:55
had hopped on the bus, a theory which seemed to be corroborated when the
35:00
the dog detected her scent at that location. But like we've reiterated numerous times,
35:05
it's possible that the only reason Kristen sent showed up there was because she
35:08
may have attended a party at Ocean Beach two days earlier. Dennis Matt had
35:14
speculated that if the police had not mistakenly assumed that Kristin climbed on the number
35:19
thirty eight bus, the bloodhout might have wound up tracking her scent to John
35:22
Oonuma's apartment, located about seven blocks west on o'faral Street, which is only
35:28
a block south of the Geary Street bus stop. So, theoretically, if
35:30
the blonde woman seen at the galleria was connected to Numa, and she was
35:36
attempting to lure Christen to him. Perhaps they walked together to his place.
35:39
At the time the bloodhouse was used, Numa had not yet inserted himself into
35:44
the investigation, and the police had no idea who he was, so you
35:47
can understand why they wouldn't have considered this angle. Oh that's a very good
35:52
point. You have women who have said that Numa would use women to lure
35:58
in other victims or to get somebody who is vulnerable to him. And so
36:01
if this blond lady's talking, she could have easily said, Hey, I
36:06
want to go out and show you this part of San Francisco. Let's go
36:08
over to Alcatraz. Let's go here or there wherever. She's going to take
36:13
her, and she says, but first, I got to run in my
36:15
apartment real quick. It's just a block over right, it's just a mile
36:19
this way wherever, and they start to go towards this location that could have
36:23
been John's. I think that's a big possibility. It's definitely possible, knowing
36:29
that other women have said this is an mo of his. But again,
36:31
because of the timing and the way the bloodhounds were used, and we didn't
36:36
have that lead yet, It's kind of impossible to go back and try to
36:39
retrace that even right when John calls in the tips, it would have been
36:45
too many factors going on to say, hey, that's probably what happened at
36:50
the time. Oh yeah, like they could have. They had no idea
36:52
who John Onuma was, so of course they're not going to try to trace
36:55
his route to his apartment on O'Farrell Street. So they probably get to the
37:00
bus stop and say, this is far enough. She probably got on here,
37:02
but who knows. If they had kept going, maybe the bloodhound would
37:06
have taken her sent elsewhere. It's possible that no one would have ever connected
37:12
Onuma to this case had he not decided to call the newsroom and falsely accuse
37:15
his girlfriend's two co workers of being responsible for Kristen's murder, which he always
37:21
maintained was nothing more than a bad joke. On one hand, this would
37:25
have been an incredibly stupid thing for Numa to do if he was guilty.
37:30
But on the other hand, he sounds like such a narcissistic and vindictive person
37:34
that I can actually picture him being brazen enough to falsely implicate a pair of
37:38
innocent people for a crime he committed. Sadly, when cases like Kristen's get
37:44
a lot of coverage in the media, it's not uncommon for people to anonymously
37:47
send in false tips for no logical reason whatsoever. But what's interesting is the
37:53
amount of details Onuma provided during his call to the newsroom. He did just
37:59
give some vague statement about how these two women murdered Christin. He specifically said
38:04
that they killed her in the backseat of a car on Market Street near Castro
38:07
Street, before they drove north over the Golden Gate Bridge to the point Rey's
38:13
Forest area and hit her body beneath the wooden bridge. Of course, no
38:16
remains were found at this location, but you have to wonder if there might
38:21
be some element of truth within the details of Anuma's story. If this had
38:25
all ended with one false tip, I suppose I could write off Anuma's involvement
38:30
as him being nothing more than some jerk hampering the investigation. But one of
38:35
the women he abused claimed that Onuma threatened her and said she would wind up
38:39
like Kristin Motaferi. We also have some missing pages from Jill Lampo's day planner
38:45
from the time period Christo went missing, which she said he tore out because
38:49
it contained information which could incriminate him. And we have a briefcase filled with
38:53
articles about this case, which was found in the attic of Onuma's residence in
38:58
Hawaii years after the fact. However, none of this conclusively proves that Numa
39:04
ever met Kristen, as he very well could have only learned the details of
39:07
her disappearance after hearing about it in the media. The one thing that stands
39:13
out to me is his unwillingness to disappear from this case right, needing to
39:17
be involved, needing to share information, making very bizarre statements, and like
39:22
you said, when you find all this information, not just the facts he
39:27
brings forward, not just the false allegations against the two girls, but that
39:31
briefcase and the ripped out pages of his planner, that quote could implicate him
39:36
or make him look bad. All of that added together just you can't take
39:40
your eyes off of him, like, is there proof? No, is
39:45
there a flaming pile of smoke that says, look at this guy. Absolutely,
39:51
And when you add the women's statements that he was an abuser, that
39:54
he is a narcissistic kind of person, that he threatened and said, you
40:00
know what happened to that girl, Kristen now is going to happen to you.
40:04
Those kinds of elements make it where this man, at the very least
40:08
is a dangerous human being and at the most could have been the person who
40:13
was responsible for Kristen's disappearance. During the course of the investigation, Dennis Man
40:20
did manage to dig up one link between Kristin and Onuma, and while it's
40:24
a very tenuous one, it did lead to a very odd situation. A
40:29
few months after Kristen went missing, Spinelli's Coffee Shop hired a new employee named
40:34
Matthew Luke, who was friends with another employee there named Kelly Strafman. What's
40:38
interesting is that Matthew Luk had previously dated Jill Lampeau before she broke up with
40:44
him and began a relationship with John Ouma. Now, since Luk didn't start
40:49
working at Spinelli's until after Kristin vanished, this connection might not mean much.
40:53
But here's where it gets odd. So in May nineteen ninety eight, Dennis
40:58
Man got permission to reinter view all of Christian's coworkers from Spinelli's, but by
41:02
this point Kelly Strathman had quit his job there and they did not have any
41:07
contact information for him. Man managed to get in touch with Strathman years later
41:12
and communicated with him via email, and it sounds like he was nothing but
41:16
cooperative. But before this occurred, the other employees had suggested that Man also
41:22
get in touch with Matthew Lukay since they were friends and he might have Strathman's
41:25
phone number. Well. According to Mann, he called Luk up and the
41:30
moment he mentioned that he was working with Christian Motifery's family, the moment he
41:35
mentioned that he was working with Kristin Modifery's family, lu K became hostile and
41:38
completely snapped at him and stated that he didn't have anything to do with that
41:44
and told Man never to call him again before abruptly hanging up. This struck
41:49
Man is very odd because he didn't even phone Luke to question him about Kristin,
41:52
as he only wanted to ask if he had Kelly Strathman's contact information.
41:58
Furthermore, Man that he didn't even finish saying Christian Modifery's entire name before Lukay
42:05
snapped at him, but it was very clear that Luk just did not want
42:07
to talk about the case, even though he had no apparent connection to it.
42:12
Were it not for Lukay's extreme overreaction, I would have no reason to
42:15
believe that he had any knowledge or involvement in Christen's disappearance. But what could
42:21
have prompted him to act this way? I mean, for all we know,
42:23
Luke could have just been having a bad day, was in a lousy
42:27
mood, and when Man phoned him up, I can understand him not wanting
42:30
to talk about Jill Lampo or John o'numa since Lampo technically dumped him for Onuma,
42:37
but Man didn't even get the opportunity to mention their names before Luk went
42:40
off on his angry rant. This whole situation is kind of a six degrees
42:45
of separation thing because we know that Christian knew Kelly Strathman, who was one
42:50
of Luka's closest friends. But even though Luka technically took Christen's job after she
42:54
disappeared, there's no evidence that Christian ever met Luka, who is one degree
43:00
of separation away from Lampo and Onuma. So I hope you can understand what
43:04
I mean when I say there are a lot of pieces in this jigsaw puzzle,
43:07
but they just don't quite fit together. I guess it's possible that maybe
43:12
Lampo still had some kind of social connection to him, And what if she
43:17
had told him, like, yes, it's my ex boyfriend. But what
43:22
if at some point she tells him information that terrifies him. He feels threatened
43:27
by John, or he gets really worried that he's gonna somehow get caught up
43:30
in this investigation he has nothing to do with, and so he has this
43:34
kind of paranoia surrounding it, and when he's asked about it, it triggers
43:37
this kind of like trauma stress that I didn't have hing to do with it.
43:43
I broke up with her, We have nothing to do with each other.
43:45
I don't know why she would tell me that information, and now I'm
43:47
at risk of being caught in an investigation and or being hurt. I wonder
43:52
if that could have prompted anger instead of a kind of uneasiness, a reaction
43:58
that's abnormal. That would make sense to me, because he should have no
44:01
reason to act that way just from hearing Kristin Monifery's name. I mean,
44:06
I know that her name has been in the media for a while, and
44:08
that his friend Kelly Strathman took over her job at the coffee shop. But
44:13
it's like, why would he get so hostile? So I think your assessment
44:15
might be correct that at some point maybe Jill Lampa was still in touch with
44:20
him and mentioned something about Kristin's case which terrified him and got him so fearful
44:24
that he decided, I don't want anything to do with it, and I'm
44:27
not going to talk to anyone who brings up her name. So even though
44:32
everyone had nothing but glowing things to say about Kristin, one of her roommates
44:37
from the house in Oakland made this interesting comment when he was interviewed on Unsolved
44:40
Mysteries. Quote, she wanted to come to the big city and find some
44:45
excitement, but it seemed to be coupled with a naivete not a real understanding
44:50
of how the big city worked end quote. Interestingly enough, during the early
44:54
stages of the investigation, the police were looking to speak with a young blonde
44:59
man known only as Tristan, as Kristin had told people that she met himle
45:02
attending a concert at the Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain View on June the thirteenth and
45:07
spent the night at Tristan's brother's house. Investigators were able to eventually track down
45:13
Tristan and rule him out as a suspect, but it sounds like the only
45:15
reason Kristin went to his brother's place was because she missed the last train to
45:20
Oakland and was planning to spend the night at the train station, but Tristan
45:23
convinced her that wasn't safe and offered her a place to crash before driving her
45:28
to work the following morning. Thankfully, Tristan turned out to be a genuinely
45:32
decent and helpful guy, because you can see how the situation might have turned
45:37
out badly if someone like John Ouma had offered her assistance. I think that
45:43
when you look at the roommate's statement, it's probably very true. You have
45:47
an eighteen year old kiddo who is, yes, a legal adult, but
45:52
that's a kid, and she's always been very academically focused. She's an overachiever.
45:59
She has these big of school. But I will tell you, as
46:01
someone who's very geared towards school and who might have that book smart driven smarts,
46:07
it often comes at a cost of saying like well as kind of cultured
46:12
and worldly as I am, my common sense can sometimes not be where it
46:16
needs to be, right, And she has this little adventure or spirit,
46:20
but she doesn't have a whole lot of life experiences. So when she comes
46:23
from North Carolina to San Francisco, that's in Oakland. Also, that's a
46:30
very different world. Every time you travel to these newer locations, a new
46:35
university, it's just a different space. And for her to have that dream
46:40
or attitude of I just want to see everything. I want to get to
46:44
know people. I want to engage in things I don't normally get to do.
46:47
Yes, I think being naive comes with that when you're that young.
46:52
I think when you're thirty five, in traveling the world or you're going cross
46:55
country, you just have a different worldly experience of knowing. Yeah, don't
47:00
ask that to these people. Maybe wait to find a police officer or someone
47:05
who's older or elderly, right, Like, there's just different experiences that would
47:09
shape intelligent choices when you're in a new space, and bold, brave choices
47:15
you might make that aren't as intelligent, right, that aren't as smart or
47:20
wise. And so I don't see any kind of harm in what the roommate
47:23
said, I believe he's probably right. There's this bushy tailed, bright eyed
47:30
kid that came to Oakland and San Francisco without an idea of how these big
47:35
cities work, and it takes one person who can smell that this person's vulnerable,
47:40
this person wants help. I can help you. I can give you
47:45
a ride, I can give you quote directions, I can walk you where
47:47
you want to be, And you just happen to ask the wrong person who's
47:52
a predator and takes your life. So I tend to agree with the roommate.
47:57
I bet she was a young kid who just didn't have the world knowledge
48:00
to navigate some of these new experiences. And for most people, they scape
48:05
by without getting harmed in those situations because most people are good people. But
48:09
it takes one that isn't for something disastrous to happen. And Tristan's sounded like
48:15
a good guy, so it's kind of a shame they didn't become a couple,
48:19
Kristin and Tristan. That would have been so adorable. By all accounts.
48:23
John and Numa is a very manipulative con artist, which is how he
48:28
managed to lure a number of women into situations where he can not only sexually
48:32
and physically abuse them, but scam them out of their money as well.
48:37
All that being said, while Onuma has been accused of doing terrible things to
48:40
many different women, it does not sound like he's ever been looked at as
48:45
a potential suspect in any other unsolved murders or missing person's cases. So if
48:51
Onuma did something to Kristin, why did she wind up dead while the other
48:54
victims he abused were allowed to live. Don't get me wrong, there's definitely
48:59
a whole here to make me suspicious of Onuma, but this case is just
49:02
lacking that one slam dunk piece of evidence which conclusively implicates him. There is
49:08
nothing that conclusively places Kristin Modaferi and John and Numa together at the same location,
49:15
and there are a few pieces of evidence which might lead away from Onuma,
49:17
such as the evidentiary findings at the house in Oakland and the unidentified blonde
49:22
woman seen with Kristin before she disappeared. I mean, for all we know,
49:27
maybe that blonde killed Kristin and was acting completely on her own and Onuma
49:30
had nothing to do with it, Or perhaps Christian cross paths with another predator
49:36
who has never popped up on the radar as a suspect. The good news
49:39
is that there are people like Dennis Man who have ensured that Kristin Modaferi is
49:43
not forgotten. And if there are people out there who know more about her
49:46
disappearance than they're saying, then all it might take to break this investigation wide
49:51
open is for the right person to come forward. So if you happen to
49:54
have any information on the unsolved disappearance of Kristin Modafari, please contact the Oakland
50:00
Police Department at five one zero two three eight three six four one. That's
50:06
five one zero two three eight three six four one, Jules Ashley, any
50:10
final thoughts in this case. This is one of those where you look at
50:15
Kristen and all the potential, all of the plans that she had, and
50:21
your heart breaks. She is driven, she's excited, she's a go getter.
50:27
She's an adventurer and a dreamer, and because of that adventure in dreams,
50:32
her life was cut short. Right, There's somebody who saw this young
50:37
girl just full of life and just wanting so badly to make friends, connections,
50:43
cultural experiences, memories, and they saw her as someone that they could
50:47
pray on. It's heartbreaking. It's so sad that her father passed away without
50:52
knowing what happened to her. And it is magical to think of people like
50:57
Dennis Man who said, look this girl North Carolina. I refuse to let
51:02
her story die. I refuse to let people look away from this case because
51:07
she mattered and she was important to those of us who knew her. I
51:10
think it speaks volumes to her character and to her legacy, and it makes
51:15
me really proud of her community and of Dentist for saying, I'm going to
51:20
keep it going. I'm going to keep covering this case. My heart also
51:23
breaks for some of the I think pseudoscience that plays into this case, where
51:29
the parents and family are so desperate for answers that it's possible they too open
51:34
themselves up to vulnerability and manipulation. And it really does speak to these cases.
51:39
When you have someone who's eighteen and they're a legal adult, do you
51:45
react in a way that errs on something's wrong from the get go? In
51:52
Christian's case, yes, she was eighteen, but when people say something's wrong,
51:58
we need to listen and if you get proven that they're okay and safe.
52:01
What a blessing. But I can only imagine Christian's family's heartbreak where they're
52:07
begging police to start day three helping them with this missing person's case. And
52:14
it's not until I think we said day seven that they actually opened a case.
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So there's a lot of different criminal justice factors here too, but the
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main fact is that an amazingly talented young lady lost her life and the ability
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to chase those dreams and we just don't know what happened. It's devastating.
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This case is so sad because we've got Christian who's on the precipice of all
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of these new experiences. She's getting to indulge her creative side, taking this
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photography class at Berkeley and then going back to NC State. She had the
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world at her fingertips, and to think she gets to Oakland, she has
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all of these new experiences, she's working at Spinelli's, meeting all of these
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people, and I'm sure that her parents, Bob and Debbie were sitting at
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home and going, Okay, we know our girl has a good head on
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her shoulders. I'm sure it was intimidating a little bit scary for them because
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she's living with four guys, it's a whole new city, but they trusted
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her. And to think that some predator plucked her off the street or out
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of a coffee shop or followed her home and did something to her, it's
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just so sick. My gut tells me that there's a strong probability that that
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predator was John o'numa, just all of the red flags with him. Robin
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brought up the specificity by which he pointed his fingers at those two women,
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that he said it was a lesbian love triangle gone wrong, and then he
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detailed exactly how she was murdered and like where she was. They didn't find
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a body there, but Robin had said that it seemed like there could have
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been a possibility that part of that was true, and I happened to agree
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with him. I think that he's doing part of that from memory and maybe
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embellishing other parts, saying where he concealed the body or disposed of the body.
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But I just think the fact even that Jill Lampo was saying, well,
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you know, based on all this, it seems like there's a possibility
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could be guilty. Most signs point to him. Our pod Boss and all
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of that technology I think is one of those things we were looking at it
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and going, O, well, this could be good, but it's really
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not proven science. And Buster the cadaver dog, although very talented, there's
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a lot of strange things here. Where she was at that summer Solstice party
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on the twenty first, so there could have been her scent remaining there on
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the twenty third. She never confirmed for sure after she got off work at
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Spinelli's that she was going to be going back there. She just had mentioned
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the possibility, so I think that it's unlikely that she returned there that day
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and somehow went over the cliff. It's just such a sad case because I
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just feel in my bones that John o'numa is just the one to lean on
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here. Yeah, I tend to. I mean, there's no direct evidence
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implicating Onuma, but his behavior is just so creepy, and the fact that
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he took the initiative to falsely accused to innocent people in a missing person's case
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at the time, which he supposedly had nothing to do with is pretty troubling.
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I Mean, when I first watched this on Unsolved Mysteries, a lot
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of the abuse allegations hadn't come out against him yet, so I was giving
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him the benefit of the doubt that it was just a stupid prank. But
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then I just saw there was such a dark side to this guy, and
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also the fact that he did weird things like keep a briefcase full of news
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clippings of Christen's case. So yeah, I definitely do believe that Kristen was
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the victim of foul play and this was a major tragedy because I'm sure the
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decision haunted her parents because it is unusual to let someone who just turned eighteen
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go off and live in a strange city on her own for a couple months.
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But she was such a bright young girl who was such a vibrant personality
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that I think they trusted her judgment and felt she was do the right thing.
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And even though there might be red flags about her staying at a house
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with four other male roommates she didn't know, ironically enough, they turned out
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to be the good guys, and unfortunately, I think Kristin wound up crossing
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paths with a bad guy and wound up becoming the victim of foul play.
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I mean, I don't know if the sighting of the blonde woman is a
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red hairing or as connection to the case. But I do think that if
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John Unuma was involved, that Jill Lampo might have some knowledge about what actually
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happened. This case often gets overshadowed a little bit by the Christian Smart case
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because it also happened to take place in California one year earlier and involved another
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bright, young, vibrant university student who went missing. And in that case
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there was a prime suspect from day one named Paul Flores. But even though
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Kristen Smart's remains have still never been found, Paul Flores was eventually charged with
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her murder and found guilty at trial and sent to prison. So who knows,
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maybe the same thing will happen here these days, that maybe even if
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they don't find Christian's remains, they will amass enough evidence to potentially charge John
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o'numa or even another suspect and maybe bring them to trial. So it is
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sad that Kriston's father died without getting any answers, but I do hope that
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we find out the truth about what happened someday. Robin, do you want
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