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Credlin | 28 November · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to show. Great to have your company.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredline. Well they can't
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  Speaker 2: help himself. Canny Chris Bowen yet again arrogantly taken to
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  Speaker 2: the floor of the Parliament today pushing his unreliable renewables,
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  Speaker 2: just one day after New South Wales came so dangerously
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  Speaker 2: close to the lights going out. And speaking of arrogant,
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  Speaker 2: despite her suspension yesterday, Lidea Thorpe still causing trouble in
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  Speaker 2: the Upper House today, or at least outside the chamber doors.
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  Speaker 2: Security needed to enforce her ban.
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  Speaker 3: I'll get you the latest.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up last the Chinese firm that holds the ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine year lease on the port of Darwin. Well, it's
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  Speaker 2: in serious financial strife. Now, surely this is time we
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  Speaker 2: review this controversial lease, not just on the basis of economics,
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  Speaker 2: but on the basis of national security. I'll talk to
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  Speaker 2: an expert, he says, this is exactly what we have
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  Speaker 2: to do. And the final sitting day of the parliament year,
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  Speaker 2: it's been hectic labor in the Greens doing a deal
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  Speaker 2: to pass a guillotine motion to ram through some thirty.
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  Speaker 3: Pieces of legislation.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get you an update shortly on what's gone through
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  Speaker 2: and what hasn't.
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  Speaker 4: This was the government of transparency, This was the government
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  Speaker 4: of accountability, This was the government of proper process. To
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  Speaker 4: hell with it, they say.
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  Speaker 5: These bills have been dealt with in this chamber for months,
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  Speaker 5: if not years.
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  Speaker 2: That was a Liberal parliamentary leader from South Australia there,
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  Speaker 2: Senator Simon Birmingham. A bit of news about him. I'll
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  Speaker 2: get to that a bit later in the show. But
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  Speaker 2: first you saw that their last parliamentary sitting day for
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  Speaker 2: the year, quite possibly for the whole term of this parliament.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Shorten has a mentioned before, chose to give his
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  Speaker 2: valedictory in this sitting fortnite, so maybe he thinks this
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  Speaker 2: is the end of the forty seventh Parliament. Both political leaders, though,
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  Speaker 2: were at it today as if they weren't coming back.
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  Speaker 6: Why not call an election now to put Australians out
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  Speaker 6: of their misery and allow a colpetent coalission government to
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  Speaker 6: get our country back on track.
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  Speaker 2: You'll never get to go mate in order.
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  Speaker 7: And now he's suggesting that we should have an election
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  Speaker 7: New Year's day, New Year's Day.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about in touch, we can't have a Years Day
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  Speaker 2: because that bloke will probably be at the cricket, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: whenever we do eventually go to the polls. The question
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  Speaker 2: that voters will ask themselves is whether they're better off
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  Speaker 2: now than they were three years ago when Albanezey was elected,
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  Speaker 2: and is the country headed in the right direction? And
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  Speaker 2: they'll also ask if that's not true, if I don't
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  Speaker 2: feel better off to what extent is that the government's
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  Speaker 2: fault with power bills through the roof, with mortgage payments
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  Speaker 2: pretty much doubled, and six successive quarters now of negative
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  Speaker 2: growth per person, So that's a household recession. Clearly most
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  Speaker 2: of us are worse off, as those figures out this
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  Speaker 2: week's show, on average, in terms of disposable real net
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  Speaker 2: disposable income, we're almost nine percent worse off than we
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  Speaker 2: were just before the last election. That's the biggest continuous
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  Speaker 2: drop of living standards in this country in nearly seventy years.
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  Speaker 2: And while the government likes to boast about its economic
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  Speaker 2: genius to accidental surpluses, I think most voters have woken
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  Speaker 2: up to the fact that almost everything this government does
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  Speaker 2: is making a bad situation. Worse, there's the attack on
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  Speaker 2: casual work and labor higher all to keep the unions happy.
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  Speaker 2: There's the virtual moratorium on big new resource projects and
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  Speaker 2: the closure of the live sheep trade and most of
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  Speaker 2: our domestic timbre industry, or to politically buy off the greens.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's a cancelation of twenty percent of the hex
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  Speaker 2: depts across the board, which is a perverse transfer of
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  Speaker 2: wealth from relatively poor taxpayers of today. I've never been
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  Speaker 2: inside a university to the relatively rich graduates of the future,
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  Speaker 2: given people with a university degree on average earn more
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  Speaker 2: than the worker without one. There's the energy lunacy, the
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  Speaker 2: policies that we see play out like we saw in
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  Speaker 2: Sydney yesterday, with our power supply run to reduce emissions
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  Speaker 2: rather than to produce affordable and reliable electricity, so that
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  Speaker 2: on a moderately hot day like yesterday the news other
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  Speaker 2: world's premier had to warn everyone not to run their
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  Speaker 2: dishwasher for goodness sake.
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  Speaker 3: Less the lights go out.
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  Speaker 4: This was just one moderately hot day before summer.
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  Speaker 6: Is this what Australian families can expect under Labour's reckless
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  Speaker 6: race to eighty two percent renewable energy by twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 7: To say that col fire power station breakdowns are caused
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  Speaker 7: by renewable energy, Not quite sure the logic there, but
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  Speaker 7: those opposite I'm sure have an explanation as to how
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  Speaker 7: that occurred. I know those opposite are disappointed that actually,
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  Speaker 7: yesterday there were enough energy result in New South Wales
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  Speaker 7: and there were no blackouts.
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  Speaker 8: When will the minister finally be straight with the Australian
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  Speaker 8: and people.
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  Speaker 5: And emit labors two hundred and seventy five dollars bill
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  Speaker 5: cup promise has been broken, for.
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  Speaker 7: Example, that the inflation figure is released by the ABS
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  Speaker 7: this week showed a thirty five percent reduction and energy prices.
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  Speaker 2: Families and pensioners. Chris By, I don't think this is funny.
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  Speaker 2: You might think it's funny, but you're the joke. Then
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  Speaker 2: you look at our out of control migration and don't
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  Speaker 2: forget he was a migration minister, worst one. We've ever
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  Speaker 2: had more boats on his watch than anywhere else. Well,
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  Speaker 2: now it's about universities using overseas students as a business model,
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  Speaker 2: and that's putting down with pressure on wages uput pressure
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  Speaker 2: on housing costs and massive pressure on our infrastructure. For
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  Speaker 2: eighteen months now, the government's talked a big game about
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  Speaker 2: bringing these numbers down, but in the real world nothing
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  Speaker 2: much has changed.
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  Speaker 9: But migration policy has been a complete mess. On to
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  Speaker 9: this government leading hardened criminals out onto the street, bringing
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  Speaker 9: a million migrants into this country with no plan to
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  Speaker 9: house them.
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  Speaker 2: All from a government let's never forget, I thought it
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  Speaker 2: was a good idea to give three thousand tourist visas
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  Speaker 2: to a whole lot of largely unvetted people from a
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  Speaker 2: terrorist controlled war zone, and then tried to hide it
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  Speaker 2: from you all because too many cabinet ministers fear their
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  Speaker 2: large and not always well integrated Muslim populations would prefer
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  Speaker 2: to vote on policy over Gaza than policy relevant to
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  Speaker 2: their lives, their new lives in this country, on the
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  Speaker 2: intangible things that voters assess when they go into that
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  Speaker 2: ballot box, on values and strength and leadership. On every measure,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister is failing us his inability to condemn
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  Speaker 2: rampant anti Semitism without in the same sentence, condemning all
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  Speaker 2: but non existent Islamophobia.
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  Speaker 3: What's pathetic as is.
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  Speaker 2: The government's inability to reject the international criminal courts, moral
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  Speaker 2: equivalents between democratic Israel and the terror group hamas.
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  Speaker 6: He has departed from decades of Labor Party policy. Why
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  Speaker 6: would that be the case. Why would the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 6: be at odds with the Jewish community? Why would he
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  Speaker 6: be at odds with the people of Israel and the
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  Speaker 6: State of Israel, for whom Australia has been a reliable
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  Speaker 6: partner and ally for decades.
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  Speaker 2: Just as bad as the government's inability to call out
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  Speaker 2: the Beijing government even when Chinese warships have deliberately injured
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  Speaker 2: our sailors. Let's not forget to mention the voice the
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  Speaker 2: PMS failed policy that would have divided us forever in
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  Speaker 2: our constitution by race. And even now because the Green
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  Speaker 2: Left won't take no foreign answer, Labour still remains in
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  Speaker 2: favor of the other two legs of that ULARU statement,
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  Speaker 2: treaty and truth, even though a country can hardly conclude
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  Speaker 2: a treaty with its own people, and rewriting our history
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  Speaker 2: is a story of shame. Well, that's a travesty against
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  Speaker 2: the least racist and most colorblind.
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  Speaker 3: Country on Earth.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever an election is held, this government's in deep trouble
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  Speaker 2: because it's broken its promises, but it's also breaking our
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  Speaker 2: hearts and also too because this Prime Minister's shown himself
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  Speaker 2: to be weak and not up to the job. Now,
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  Speaker 2: every PM makes mistakes, particularly in their first term, but
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  Speaker 2: this bloke has failed to grow into the job. Instead
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  Speaker 2: of exercising leadership, is all too often lapping up the
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  Speaker 2: freebies at a concert or a sporting event instead of
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  Speaker 2: doing his duty to the country twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 2: Like every other PM I've seen at close quarters, it's
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  Speaker 2: like he's half on the job, a part time PM
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  Speaker 2: with one foot already retirement.
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  Speaker 3: If only that were the case.
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  Speaker 2: I just hope that whenever it causes damn election the
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  Speaker 2: Australian people will they make that retirement permanent. We get
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  Speaker 2: on with the hard work necessary to undo all his damage.
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  Speaker 2: All right, As I said, hectic day House and Senate
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  Speaker 2: in camera. We'll get the headlines now from Olivia Caisley
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  Speaker 2: in camera.
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  Speaker 10: As Shambalack supposedly final day in the Senate as Labor
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  Speaker 10: tries to ram dozens of bills through Parliament. The government
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  Speaker 10: failed on its first try to guillotine debate, clinching support
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  Speaker 10: from crossbenches only after it took Social media bands for
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  Speaker 10: under sixteen year olds and its trio of hardline migration
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  Speaker 10: bills off the table.
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  Speaker 11: It's well known that the Greens Party doesn't support either
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  Speaker 11: of those pieces of legislation.
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  Speaker 4: Is this because the Greens tile is wagging the government dog?
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  Speaker 4: Is that entirely what's happening here. The Greens are dictating
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  Speaker 4: the terms of what the gu woman or cannot legislate.
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  Speaker 10: In a final tactical twist, Labor secured a deal with
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  Speaker 10: the Coalition to add them back in Parliamentary Pandemonium marks
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  Speaker 10: a frantic finish to the sitting year.
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  Speaker 11: On the last day of every setting year, there's always
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  Speaker 11: the drama, there's always confusion about what peoples are going
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  Speaker 11: to be passed. But it looks like we're on track
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  Speaker 11: to finish the year very strongly.
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  Speaker 10: Lydia Thorpe has vowed to continue disrupting the Senate after
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  Speaker 10: she was suspended for throwing papers at Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 3: Past I call the clerk, I call the clerk.
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  Speaker 10: Testing the limits of the band, She yelled through the
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  Speaker 10: doors and then moved the press gallery area to protest.
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  Speaker 10: She claimed Senator Hanson's questioning of Independent Senator Fatima payment
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  Speaker 10: citizenship was an act of racism and a Senate surprise
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  Speaker 10: before Parliament rose for the year's shadow Foreign Minister, Simon
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  Speaker 10: Birmingham announcing his retirement from politics.
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  Speaker 4: Some will be kind enough to be disappointed to see
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  Speaker 4: me go. Maybe only a rear few, but some. To them,
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  Speaker 4: I am sorry, especially to those who feel that I'm
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  Speaker 4: letting them or the team down at this time. Others,
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  Speaker 4: as is the nature of this business, will be delighted
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  Speaker 4: to see the back of me.
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  Speaker 10: The South Australian was first elected in two thousand and
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  Speaker 10: seven and served as Finance Minister before the Coalition lost
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  Speaker 10: government in twenty twenty two. He'll take up a position
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  Speaker 10: in the private sector.
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  Speaker 2: All right, A lot there in the package tonight is
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  Speaker 2: there final sitting day and everything else. The headlines around
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  Speaker 2: the country will get across from now. Daily Telegraphs journalist
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  Speaker 2: James Willis, who had a front page today, we'll get
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  Speaker 2: into that too. Deputy Executive Director at the IPA, Daniel Wild,
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to you both, gentlemen. Let's start that deal done
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  Speaker 2: on the guillotine motion between Labor and the Greens. Now
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  Speaker 2: a guillotine motion for people at home, is that you
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  Speaker 2: agree that all these bills will go into a set
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  Speaker 2: time period, so debate is cut off. They're basically put
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  Speaker 2: on through the Senate, forced into a vote. There's no discussion,
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  Speaker 2: very little amendments if EDNY. That was done thirty something
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  Speaker 2: pieces of legislation. Now, James, I'm not going to be
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  Speaker 2: a hypocrite here and say that guillotines haven't been used before,
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  Speaker 2: but it is unusual to see one of this size,
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  Speaker 2: you know, thirty bills in it. That says to me
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  Speaker 2: when I used to run the Senate program for Robert Hill,
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  Speaker 2: who is the Senate leader, Labour's been allowsy it managing
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  Speaker 2: its time to get to this point in the calendar.
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  Speaker 2: To have to ram all of this through, this looks
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  Speaker 2: to me again they are clearing the dicks for an
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  Speaker 2: early election.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think, Yeah, that's a fair take, Peter,
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  Speaker 5: and I think once again we are seeing that they
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  Speaker 5: are incapable of doing anything without getting into bed with
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  Speaker 5: the Greens. So the majority of Australians did not vote
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  Speaker 5: for but the reality is with the Greens controlling the Senate,
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  Speaker 5: Adam Band is most probably the most powerful politician in
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  Speaker 5: the country and so to get this legislation through and
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  Speaker 5: they get a bit of a pat on the back
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  Speaker 5: to say, oh, we passed all these bills without proper debate,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, without proper scrutiny.
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  Speaker 12: God knows what is.
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  Speaker 5: In some of these bills. The devil will be in
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  Speaker 5: the detail, I suppose, but once again they have had
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  Speaker 5: to make concessions to the Greens which are not in
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  Speaker 5: the best interest of Australia. There's a massive social housing
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  Speaker 5: energy fund. Good luck to that. I think the proof
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  Speaker 5: will be in the putting there. But critically they've had
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  Speaker 5: to allow stricter laws to come into place that will
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  Speaker 5: stop basically choke foreign investment on coal and gas to
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  Speaker 5: sovereign risk, once again scaring off foreign investors and local
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  Speaker 5: investors with his fund and the deal they've had to
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  Speaker 5: do there. So look, they might get a pat on
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  Speaker 5: the back on the way out the door on the
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  Speaker 5: last day, but I think it's a very very concerning
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  Speaker 5: deal for Australia and once again Adam Bant pulling all
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  Speaker 5: the strings in Canberra.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to underscore this for people at home.
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  Speaker 2: What James is talking about there is not that the
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  Speaker 2: Parliament was doing it job that it should do any way,
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  Speaker 2: to look at legislation in an orderly way. But there
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  Speaker 2: was a blood price paid on this package of legislation
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  Speaker 2: by the government with your money. Five hundred million dollars
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  Speaker 2: a half a billion dollars put on the table for
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  Speaker 2: social housing upgrades, as if we're not spending enough there anyway,
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  Speaker 2: No coal, oil or gas funding to come out of
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  Speaker 2: the future Made in Australia bills.
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  Speaker 3: They are in the package.
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  Speaker 2: Reforms to the RBA back on the table, an end
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  Speaker 2: to commercial financing of fossil fuel projects overseas and more.
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  Speaker 2: Daniel Wilde, this is what makes policy people like you
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  Speaker 2: and me so angry. This is a bastardization of the parliament.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a bad day for democracy and a
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  Speaker 1: bad day for Australia. I think it sort of bookends
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  Speaker 1: the forty seventh Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia, which
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  Speaker 1: has been a very bad parliament for our country. This
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  Speaker 1: is a government that is much more called the Whitlam.
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  Speaker 1: I think you did a great job in your monologue
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  Speaker 1: in outlining all of the various policies that have not
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  Speaker 1: served our national interest. There's been a lack of debate.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen this with the social media ban proposal,
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  Speaker 1: with just twenty four hours consultation and a three hour
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  Speaker 1: Senate Committee hearing process for a policy that would change
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  Speaker 1: the regulatory architecture of how Australians accessed the Internet. We've
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  Speaker 1: seen it with misinformation laws where they had just a
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  Speaker 1: one week consultation period for the second incarnation of those
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  Speaker 1: laws and it did.
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  Speaker 3: It goes to the.
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  Speaker 1: Whole energy policy agenda that we've been discussing and mass migration.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Australians never voted for mass migration. We've had
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  Speaker 1: over a million migrants arrive here on a net basis
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  Speaker 1: under this government. As you identified, this is making us
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  Speaker 1: poorer with six consecutive quarters of negative per capita growth,
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  Speaker 1: plus the social and cultural problems that we have. There's
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  Speaker 1: been no debate about this policy and many others. Peter, So,
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  Speaker 1: I think that this chaotic end to what is the
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  Speaker 1: forty seventh Parliament of Australia. In all likelihood they might
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  Speaker 1: have a couple of sitting days next year to get
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  Speaker 1: the budget through, but I think it bookends a very
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  Speaker 1: bad period of time for our nation.
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  Speaker 3: And look, even after.
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  Speaker 2: We saw what we saw yesterday in Sydney, broadly across
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales. I think Wogger was in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of trouble as well. In terms of energy security. We
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  Speaker 2: still have that clown of a minister Chris Bowen in
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  Speaker 2: the Parliament today, puffing up his chest and talking about
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  Speaker 2: his climate change report with my colleague Laura Jays, banging
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: on again about renewables. I mean, have a listen to this.
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  Speaker 13: The only reason we've got the power on at the moment,
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  Speaker 13: the only reliable system that you can call on is coal.
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  Speaker 13: You can't tell me when the wind's going to blow
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  Speaker 13: and the sun's going to shine.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, well I can't tell you when the rain's going
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  Speaker 7: to fall. Other Laura. But we're drink every day.
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  Speaker 13: But that's what stre reliability issue, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 7: It does, and that's why we're going to build that.
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  Speaker 7: We are building the transmission and the storage.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, all this bs about batteries, it'll run about
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  Speaker 2: one hundred dishwashers if he's lucky for five and a
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  Speaker 2: half minutes. It was a sunny day in Sydney yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Renewables failed Sydney yesterday. This is the point you've been
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  Speaker 2: running hard on this, James. The telegraphs covered it again today.
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  Speaker 2: What's the latest.
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  Speaker 5: Well, in the last twenty four hours in New South
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  Speaker 5: Wales coal has been responsible black coal for between sixty
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  Speaker 5: six and sixty eight percent of our energy mix. The
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  Speaker 5: Premier Chris Mins acknowledged yesterday that when solar was coming
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  Speaker 5: offline at about three o'clock that the solar and the
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  Speaker 5: renewables wouldn't be able to do their heavy lifting, so
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: he asked people as a result to be careful with
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  Speaker 5: their air cons and their dishwashers between three and eight yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: I think this has been hidden for a few years.
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  Speaker 5: I spoke to Paul Broad yesterday, an infrastructure expert, a
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  Speaker 5: veteran at this game. He said that because of some
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  Speaker 5: mild summers, we actually haven't seen the looming crisis here.
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  Speaker 5: But ultimately, Peter, in New South Wales we do have
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  Speaker 5: coal plants. They were all sold off by the former
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  Speaker 5: coalition government. The process started by labor before that, and
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  Speaker 5: because they are owned by the private sector, they haven't
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  Speaker 5: been invested in, so they are aging and the government,
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  Speaker 5: led by Chris Bowen has been able to sit there
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  Speaker 5: and say well, sorry, Cole can't keep the lights on.
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  Speaker 5: It's absolute bogus. The only reason that coal hasn't been
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  Speaker 5: able to do their heavy lifting is because these coal
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  Speaker 5: plants are aging. The government has scared off any investment
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: in them and refuses to go anywhere near cole So
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: we're having to go hard on renewable energies, which is
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: simply incapable of keeping the lights on. So this problem
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: is years ahead if we continue down this path without
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: some sensible investment and defies what is happening all over
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: the world.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I get a real sense now, and I talked to
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: an expert in a moment about the state of play,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: and look, I don't like saying it was the liberal
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: government sold them off. Let's make it clear it was
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Matt Kean, Labor's patsy on the climate board now that
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: sold them off.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: But I think.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Punters, ordinary people are really starting to understand this complex argument.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: For too long, the complexity has shut them out of
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the detail. Now they're starting to understand it. They are
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: living through the reality. They're seeing their bills, they're hearing
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: these warnings about dishwashers. I think this is going to
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: be a huge issue in the campaign and it is
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: not going to be good, not just for Labor, but
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be good either for the Greens.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Hey, Lydia Thorpe.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to waste a lot of time talking
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: about her, but I do want to point to comments
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: she's made. She got into the chamber of the Chamber Edges.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: At least the security guards were called yelling out her
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: obscenities about Palestine. But she also had this to say
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: when she stopped by the ABC studios.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Have a listen.
• 19:43
  Speaker 14: It seems like there's one rule for white people who
• 19:48
  Speaker 14: get away with racism, and there's one rule for us
• 19:51
  Speaker 14: when we call that out, we're the ones that are
• 19:54
  Speaker 14: the naughty little black girl again.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I mean Dan, She threw documents at another senator. She
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: flipped the bird as she walked out to the President
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: of the Senate.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: This has nothing to do with race. Well, that's right, Peter.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know why the ABC is giving her a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: platform to say those things. To be honest with you, Look,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I've made this point before and it's important to make again.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: The Senate plays such an important role in our democracy.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: As you know, it's the House of Review. It's there
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: to review legislation that comes out of the House of Representatives.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: It's there to deliberate to undertake inquiries and committee hearings
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: into legislation that affects the lives of every single Australian.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: We're just talking about the problems in the Senate with
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: them guillotining debate and pushing through over thirty pieces without
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: any meaningful debate. Now more than ever, our country needs
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: political representatives, no matter what side you're on, that will
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: do their job. That will be the House of Review
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: and the House to represent the state's interest, which is
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: what it's set up to do. Instead, it's becoming more
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and more like a circus. I think a lot of
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Australians look at this behavior and again I say this
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: regardless of what side you're on, and they say, well,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: we've got all these problems in our nation. We can
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: barely defend ourselves. We've got an economy that's going backwards,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: we've got a culture and society that's divided. Yet this
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: is occupying the time of Senate. There's only seventy six
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: senators in our country. Every one of them has a
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: role to play, and I think Australians expect a lot
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: better than this kind of behavior.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I tell you, put up a referendum right now. For
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Senate reform. I think it would carry I think Australians
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: have had enough. It used to be a genteel house.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I mean when I worked in the Senate in Howardier,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of collaboration across the aisle to
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: make legislation better, to improve it, to amend it. There
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: were fed income inquiries that used to go around the country.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Now that crazy bottom of the horseshoe. You know, it's
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: just stunt after stunt after stunt from a motley crew
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: of people that you'd find in it. It's going to
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: say an asylum. I don't even know we have that
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: many more, but we certainly have one in camera. Hey,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: let's go to a former treasurer at Wayne swan Is now,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: The head of Cebus.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: This is the the union super fun connected to the
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: construction industries that connect it to the c IFMU and others.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Real questions James about the alleged failure of SeaBus to
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: hand over and it is handover because it's people's money,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: twenty million dollars of death and disability payouts in a
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: timely way. He has not wanted to give evidence. He's
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: tried desperately to avoid any sort of scrutiny here.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: As the chairman, he keeps.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Pushing the questions back to his CEO. But as Sick
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the regulator has been pretty tough on Sebus here.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think the thing with Wayne Swan Peter
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: is if he's got nothing to hide, then he's got
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: nothing to fear. And it's a really really serious allegation
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: here about people's money after they've died, twenty million dollars
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: not being handed over and as a result, I think
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: there are some questions that he should be answering, even
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: if it is a liberal stacked inquiry. But people, the
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: average person that it has a lot of money in superannuation.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: Some people it's their only stream of money that they've
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: invested in with their nest egg. I think a lot
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: of people are very concerned about Labour's links to the
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: superannuation industry. I think the CFMEU and the damage that's
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: been done to that union over the last twelve months,
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: with allegations of corruption, allegations of violent behavior, the ongoing
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: form of the CFMEU, amongst others.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: People are very very interested to.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Learn where their money is going and Labour's ties to
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: these unions and if the Labor Party have been turning
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: a blind eye to some of this behavior over the years.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: So yes, certainly, I think if you ask the average
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: person on the street, Wayne Swan should be fronting up
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: and answering honest questions about this issue and others. In
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: regards to cebus.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Dan, we've had a Royal commission into the banking industry,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: but industry super funds were carved out. We had all
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: of those faux for reforms of financial services.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Reforms again didn't really impact.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Industry super but it took on all the other super
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: players in the market. I mean, I'd love to see
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: a fending come inquiry into industry super the connections to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the unions, the way in which members money is being
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: spent basically to promote and support the Labor Party, but
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: they keep dodging it.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I agree, Peter, it's a massive industry. The amount
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of financial control that they have over our economy is enormous.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: They often invest this money not necessarily in projects that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: will generate the biggest rate of return for workers whose
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: money it is for retirement, but based on ideological or
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: as you suggest, political reasons. So I think we do
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: need to have a look at industry, SUPER and the
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: superannuation sector as a whole. And I think it also
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: shows that this compulsory superperannuation experiment, I think its time
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: is coming to an end. What we know is that
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: wages are not rising as fast as they should be. Well,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that's because a lot of your wages are going into super.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: We've got these issues now with SeaBus. So I think
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: we do need to have a look into super and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to have a look at whether we need to keep
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: going down this compulsory path, because I just don't think
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: it's any working anymore for Australian workers.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And it was supposed to get people to an independent
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: position when they retired and have less people on the
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: public purse, less people on the pension. But of course
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: we're thirty years into this super experiment and the pension
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: rates are about the same, right, they are about the same.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's a war chest for labor
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and the unions. I'll leave it there, gents, thank you
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: for your time. Well let's go back to the baseload
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: energy crisis that we look like we're about to walk
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: right into over summer. Yesterday, the energy market operator AEMO
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: was forced to use special powers to help New South
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Wales to avoid blackout, to be a heat wave and
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: those coal power station outages. The state government even implored residents,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: as I said, not to use your appliance. It's like
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: a dishwasher during peak times. Yesterday so reduced straight on
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the grid.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: And it was sunny. So what's your point, Chris Bowen?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: How to discuss is Aide Morrison, Director of Energy Energy
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Research from the Center for Independent Studies, and thank you
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: for your time. It's hard to overstate just how serious
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: things are for our grid at the moment, at least
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: on the east coast of the country. And as I
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: just said early with the panel, I think Australians are
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: really starting to understand now the implications of this really
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: fast and really rapid.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Increase in renewables.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Give me your read on yesterday and what's likely ahead
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: of us over the summer.
• 26:36
  Speaker 15: Look, yesterday they had a terrible crisis to be calling
• 26:40
  Speaker 15: people to actually dial down the things, the machines that
• 26:42
  Speaker 15: keep them cool and comfortable in a time when they
• 26:44
  Speaker 15: need the most. So I think it is the evidence
• 26:47
  Speaker 15: that we're now seeing a fallen living standard speaks. We
• 26:49
  Speaker 15: don't have the reliability of the electricity system that we
• 26:52
  Speaker 15: really need. What led to that is really that we
• 26:55
  Speaker 15: just had three coal units that were out for planned maintenance.
• 26:58
  Speaker 15: This is maintenance that we can control and schedule to
• 27:01
  Speaker 15: a great arrest of degree. What actually happened is that
• 27:03
  Speaker 15: they thought they'd get done in spring, but they ran
• 27:05
  Speaker 15: right up to the last month week of spring, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 15: a little bit of warmer weather than expected crept into
• 27:10
  Speaker 15: that week. So this is really an example of not
• 27:12
  Speaker 15: particularly good planning for scheduled maintenance. There was also one
• 27:16
  Speaker 15: unit that was down for unscheduled maintenance. For what this
• 27:18
  Speaker 15: really goes to show is that the grid is absolutely
• 27:21
  Speaker 15: dependent on these coal units. So imagine if we just
• 27:24
  Speaker 15: started taking them out of our grid and eliminating them altogether,
• 27:27
  Speaker 15: we would be basically locking in and ensuring we'd be
• 27:29
  Speaker 15: in this sort of crisis all worse for the ongoing future.
• 27:34
  Speaker 15: So I just can't see at any point how more
• 27:36
  Speaker 15: amounts of wind or solar will be able to compensate
• 27:40
  Speaker 15: for the sort of reliability we expect from generators like
• 27:43
  Speaker 15: this that we can schedule the maintenance for one. Unfortunately,
• 27:46
  Speaker 15: the maintenance schedule in this case was not done correctly.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: And help people understand.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: And I listened to chrispo on today and it was
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: basically saying, these plants beyond their usefulness, they've not been maintained.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Shame on you operators, Shame on you commercial players. That's
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the reason why we're in this position that we're in,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: and just to hang on Australia till all these renewables
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: come into the grid. Of course, the reason why these
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: cold fire powerstations are in the position they're in, they
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: are aging and they're hard to maintain, is they have
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: run them into the ground. Government has run them into
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the ground. Now government's trying.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: To use that is the excuse for yesterday.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: We have done this as a country deliberately, and we're
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: also as tax pay as being forced to pay to
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: keep them open because there is no plan B. These
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: clowns have no plan B. Do you think people are
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: waking up to this as well?
• 28:47
  Speaker 15: Look, I hope they're waking up to it. And the
• 28:49
  Speaker 15: case is that the coal fired powerstations we have in
• 28:51
  Speaker 15: New South Wales, some of them are quite old, but
• 28:54
  Speaker 15: they're actually not that unreliable. It's a bit of a
• 28:57
  Speaker 15: myth that's commonly floated around. These are kind of terrible
• 28:59
  Speaker 15: clunkers that aren't forming well. The one that was maybe
• 29:02
  Speaker 15: the worst plunker is now retired completely. That was the
• 29:05
  Speaker 15: dell that was underperforming. The ones we have at the
• 29:07
  Speaker 15: moment are actually performing pretty decently indeed, So I don't
• 29:10
  Speaker 15: want to actually kind of try to propagate what I
• 29:12
  Speaker 15: think is not entirely true, that these are sort of
• 29:15
  Speaker 15: absolutely hopeless some machines that we just can't keep going.
• 29:18
  Speaker 15: We actually can keep them going for quite a bit
• 29:21
  Speaker 15: longer if we invest in them properly and do the
• 29:23
  Speaker 15: proper maintenance and use them consistently. The worst thing you
• 29:26
  Speaker 15: can do for a coal plant is ask us to
• 29:27
  Speaker 15: turn on and off and on and off the whole time,
• 29:30
  Speaker 15: because what it does it means the boiler has to
• 29:32
  Speaker 15: warm up and cool down and all the metal starts
• 29:34
  Speaker 15: to fatigue more quickly. So if we use them sensibly
• 29:38
  Speaker 15: in a more continuous fashion, and also if we gave
• 29:41
  Speaker 15: a clear indication of how much longer these plants will
• 29:43
  Speaker 15: be necessary, because they will be necessary for a long time,
• 29:46
  Speaker 15: it'd be really quite easy to do the maintenance and
• 29:48
  Speaker 15: invest in these properly to have them to run a
• 29:50
  Speaker 15: lot longer. So there's no reason why these plants can't
• 29:52
  Speaker 15: provide reliable electricity other than us talking them down and
• 29:56
  Speaker 15: choosing to use them the way they weren't every intended
• 29:58
  Speaker 15: to be used as some sort of ram thing to
• 30:00
  Speaker 15: kind of basically roll out the red carpet for renewables.
• 30:03
  Speaker 15: So if we use them properly, maintain them properly, we'd
• 30:05
  Speaker 15: have no issue with reliable electricity from these types of plants.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Spot on it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Give me your take on the Annual Climate Change Statement
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: delivered by Chris Bowen today.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: What did you make of it?
• 30:21
  Speaker 15: Look, I've only had a tiny amount of time to
• 30:23
  Speaker 15: hear some of the introductory remarks. I'm afraid it's just
• 30:26
  Speaker 15: occurred shortly ago, But I did hear Chris Bowen waxing
• 30:31
  Speaker 15: lyrical about the transition to renewable energy and how important
• 30:35
  Speaker 15: it is to move away from the base load power
• 30:37
  Speaker 15: generators that we currently have and depend on. So I think, unfortunately,
• 30:41
  Speaker 15: it's just time for us to start to have a
• 30:43
  Speaker 15: bit of a reality check and to see whether we
• 30:45
  Speaker 15: have a clear picture of the costs and the reliability
• 30:47
  Speaker 15: implications of what is actually planned. And that's what I'm
• 30:50
  Speaker 15: not seeing from Chris Bowen is a clear reckoning and
• 30:53
  Speaker 15: honesty with Australians. And it's just starting to come out
• 30:55
  Speaker 15: now that even the market operator will not give us
• 30:58
  Speaker 15: any assurances the prices are going to go down. We've
• 31:00
  Speaker 15: actually got a more expensive and less reliable system in
• 31:03
  Speaker 15: the plans in front of us, and a lot of
• 31:04
  Speaker 15: efforts been gone to to make sure that is not
• 31:06
  Speaker 15: clearly articulated in the planning documents and processes such as
• 31:10
  Speaker 15: the Integrated System Plan. So very disappointing to see that
• 31:12
  Speaker 15: the costs are not being articulated clearly upfront of the
• 31:15
  Speaker 15: transition that's being embarking.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not transparent. They're not transparent.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I think the emperor's got no clothes and that's where
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I think we are right now.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Thank you for your time. All right, aark the break.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: The Chinese firm that holds the lease of the Port
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: of Darwin, it's in financial strife, calls now to end
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: the lease.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: And protect Australia's national interest.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Plus another group of foreign nationals have been discovered in
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: a remote part of the Northern Territory. Now wait till
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I tell you where they are from. But it raises
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: more doubts about Labour's ability to protect our borders.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Welcome Bak still to come.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: How far is Paul Enhansen prepared to go now to
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: take on Fatoma payment over lingering questions about her constitutional
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: eligibility to sit in the Parliament. I'll talk to her
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: chief of staff on that in a moment. But first,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the Chinese firm that holds a controversial ninety nine year
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: lease for the Port of Darwin is gramming to offload
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: assets in the hope of stating off creditors and avoiding
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: a forced sale. It's reached the point that then all
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: the territory government has now written to land Bridge that's
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the company's name, with the prospect of canceling the firm's
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: ninety nine year lease.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Not off the table.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Joined me in our director our Strategic and Australia, Michael Schuebridge.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Well, Michael, I suspect you're with me.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: We should have reviewed this anyway much earlier on security
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: grounds alone.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: But where do you think this has headed? Well?
• 32:40
  Speaker 16: I hope it's finally headed in a good direction, which
• 32:44
  Speaker 16: is getting that port back in Australian ownership and using
• 32:49
  Speaker 16: it as a centerpiece for our security in the North.
• 32:52
  Speaker 16: But it looks to me like the parent company in
• 32:55
  Speaker 16: China is now in sufficient financial trouble that it won't
• 32:59
  Speaker 16: want to keep subsidizing its port in Darwin, where they've
• 33:04
  Speaker 16: lost money year on year. It's always been mystifying why
• 33:07
  Speaker 16: losing money year on year they've wanted to keep this lease.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: You're being KOI there.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I think you know why they want to keep the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: lease even if they're losing money. What's to say though,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: you know, if land Bridge goes under that there isn't
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: money pumped in, let's say by the Chinese Communist Party
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: to somehow keep this lease because it's a huge strategic
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: interest to them. We might hope they go under, but
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: is the Chinese government going to let them go under?
• 33:39
  Speaker 16: Well that's a big factor here. So I think this
• 33:43
  Speaker 16: is a moment for the federal government and the Northern
• 33:46
  Speaker 16: Territory government to act, and they really should be thinking
• 33:50
  Speaker 16: like the approach taken to digit sell that piece of
• 33:53
  Speaker 16: critical telecommunications infrastructure in P and G that was rescued
• 33:58
  Speaker 16: by a partnership between the federal government and a capable
• 34:02
  Speaker 16: private sector company Tellstra. In that case, imagine if the
• 34:05
  Speaker 16: federal government partners with someone like mcquarie Infrastructure gets control
• 34:10
  Speaker 16: of that critical port, and it enables our military operations
• 34:13
  Speaker 16: with partners like the Americans and the Japanese.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: And we talk about all these industry superfunds with literally
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: trillions of dollars on their books, Why aren't they investing
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: in Australian infrastructure like the Port of Darwin.
• 34:30
  Speaker 16: Well, I think they've looked for the easy returns. They
• 34:33
  Speaker 16: haven't really thought about long term infrastructure investments, particularly ones
• 34:39
  Speaker 16: tied to security. But this one, there's as much business
• 34:43
  Speaker 16: as the port can handle. If the port operators had
• 34:46
  Speaker 16: the confidence of the US and Japanese governments and a
• 34:50
  Speaker 16: Chinese owned port operator in Darwin, we'll never have that.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: All right, let's stay the nt because yet again we
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: hear that there are Chinese nationals. This is the origin
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: of this group, nine of them lost in the bush.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: They've been found by Aboriginal residents in a remote community.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Not certain who they are yet, whether they're illegal fishermen
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: who have lost their way or asylum seekers. But I mean,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't this just say we've got a real issue. It
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago we had people found also from
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: China on Croker Island, just off in arnhem Land, and
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: we've had quite a number of illegal fishing boat incursions.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Are we seeing cracks here in Labour's border protection regime?
• 35:35
  Speaker 16: Well, I don't think we're just seeing cracks. We're seeing
• 35:38
  Speaker 16: that it's full of holes. Border security in Australia shouldn't
• 35:41
  Speaker 16: be the responsibility of motivated locals with drones from jbhi Fi,
• 35:47
  Speaker 16: which was something that happened a year or so ago,
• 35:50
  Speaker 16: or in this case with smartphones. Border security has been
• 35:55
  Speaker 16: an area where the government's fallen down because they've wanted
• 35:58
  Speaker 16: to save money on surveillance and the Navy is so
• 36:02
  Speaker 16: fragile they can't put chips into the activity. A border
• 36:06
  Speaker 16: force has just failed to do the surveillance and now
• 36:10
  Speaker 16: we're leaving it to motivated locals on shore.
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: That's a big fail.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: I want to pull apart just quickly.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: That legislation that Labour's now got through with the support
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: of the Coalition, or at least got together into a
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: super bill. This is all the ledge on the migration
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: at it's got in their ways to get around the
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: High Court decisions in relation to monitoring people and ankle
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: bracelets and all of that. But there's a proposal to
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: pay third countries to take these non citizens let's say
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: it's a rule or someone like that. Now we don't
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: know who these countries are. That makes me skeptical that
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: this is just a thought bubble, or it's a line
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: or a headline for the newspapers.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: It's an election ploy.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: It's not a substantive plan to deal with this issue.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: That they just want a band aid to talk to
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: to get them through the election.
• 37:05
  Speaker 16: Yes, well, Peter, you took some of the thoughts out
• 37:07
  Speaker 16: of my mind. How is it that we can't see
• 37:10
  Speaker 16: this as yet another embarrassing, unconstitutional thought bubble from Home
• 37:16
  Speaker 16: Affairs and the minister. That's what they've served up their
• 37:20
  Speaker 16: entire time in government. And the fact that they won't
• 37:23
  Speaker 16: come clean with what third countries they might be negotiating
• 37:27
  Speaker 16: with all has the whiff of superficiality to it. So
• 37:32
  Speaker 16: really they need to come clean and be honest. At
• 37:35
  Speaker 16: least the former UK government had the honesty to say
• 37:38
  Speaker 16: they were negotiating with Rwanda. Let's hear from the government
• 37:42
  Speaker 16: on this.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Michael Sherbrich, thank you. I will make the point for
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: people at home. You know when they sacked Mike Pezulu,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: who I debt with, will we stopped the boat's phenomenal,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: phenomenal senior public servant when they sacked Mike Bazulu. It's
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: about that time things went down in the t call
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: it on migration. All right, let's go to a break,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: paul in handset. How far is she going to go
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: to go after Senator Fatama payment plus Queensland so called
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: trip telling inquiry is about to.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Be scrapped or is it?
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: We'lcome back to Lakalm the newly minted Tory leader in
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: the UK kenmy badna tough new approach on immigration. She's
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: just unveiled across to Sophie Elswhere a little bit later
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: on and get you the latest there. But first, the
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: family members of Victorian murder victim have spoken out against
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the shocking decision which has seen her killer, Alicia Schiller,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: approved to receive IVF treatment while serving a sixteen year
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: prison sentence for murder. The son of the murdered woman
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: has slammed the decision, saying, you left three kids motherless,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: you animal, you stabbed your friend.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I stand strongly against this. The victim's sister.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: She's also spoken out against the decision, describing it as insane. Well,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: this is what the Victorian Premier had to say, I am.
• 39:00
  Speaker 13: Not going to comment on the individual private health matters
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: of individual prisoners in our custodial system.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: That would be deeply inappropriate.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Now, I can't tell you this is a huge story
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: in Victoria. People are incredibly angry. Last night I was
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: contacted by the Melbourne IVF System or Center, which is
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the leading provider of IVF services in Victoria. They said,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: we are not providing services to the currently jailed individual
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: and we would not do it if request given. She's
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: in jail, so they will not do it. They will
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: not serve her in any way. Let's discuss this now
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: with my panel, chief of staff to Paul and Hanson,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: James Ashby, and US Corps senior writer and columnist Patrick Carline.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I think the premiers week is water.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I think Victorians have had a good look at her
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: and they are angry. And I think the victim's family
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: say it best.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: It's insane, that's absolutely insane.
• 40:00
  Speaker 12: Just since her ol and mister free kick here. This
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: is one of those rare stories where there is no debate.
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: It's one hundred percent against and zero percent four. Most
• 40:09
  Speaker 12: people are just horrified to think that someone who's been
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: charged and convicted of murder for sixteen years. It was
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: a silly crime. It was over fifty dollars. And while
• 40:20
  Speaker 12: she's in jail she can go about seeking the privilege
• 40:23
  Speaker 12: of having a child. And the other question is who's
• 40:26
  Speaker 12: going to pay if she does have a child? Whose
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: are the taxpayer is going to be paying for this
• 40:30
  Speaker 12: child's life and keyed while it spends five years in
• 40:36
  Speaker 12: jail with its mother. I mean, the whole thing is outrageous.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Of course they are, because the child's days in the
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: prison until it's five. This is the scenari that was
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: laid out in the Herald Sign and James Ashfer you'd
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: know this. Well, then the grandmother was apparently going to
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: look after the child. Well, the grandmother will get a
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: care as pensions, she'll get welfare, she'll get all sorts
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: of things to look after this child. Enough enough, you
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: lose your liberty, you lose your worm, you lose everything.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid you lose the chance to be a parent
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: if you go to jail.
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, how often do we hear in the family
• 41:08
  Speaker 8: law courts the rights of a child? Where where's the
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: rights of this child? I know, it's not even conceived yet.
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: But the whole idea here is to conceive and give
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: birth while in prison. If it's good enough for families
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: to lose their kids when they've been caught out using drugs,
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: or have got alcohol issues, or a parent normally goes
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: to jail here in Queensland, we take those kids and
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: we put them into state care. There is no way
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: any child should be raised in a prison system, full stop.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I do want to talk about the bad behavior that
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: we see Lydia Thorpe. I want to talk about what
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: kicked it all off yesterday. Let's go to the substantive
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: nature of the debate. Your boss started when she questioned
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: quite appropriately, I mean a lot of people have had
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: their Section forty four eligibility put under the microscope. Question
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: set in a payment, eligibility to sit in the parliament.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: She was born in Afghanistan. She's not, to our knowledge,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: put papers on the table to demonstrate her eligibility.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: She was waving them around in the chamber.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Your boss sought to have them tabled. Correct me if
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I'm wrong, James. She refused to table them.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: What are you going to do next? Are you going
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: to pursue? This is one nation going to pursue this.
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: Well, there is a call to pursue it for good
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: reason because here in Australia, under the Constitution, you are
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: not to hold dual citizenship. You have to have full
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: allegiance to Australia to be an elected member in our
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: federal Parliament. Now, it is no secret that Fatima Payment
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: has dual citizenship. We've known that for a long time.
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: There was always an argument that at the time when
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: she put her nominations into the Electoral Commission during that
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: twenty twenty two election, there was still turmoil in Afghanistan. Well,
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: since then, the Taliban have taken over government. They've been
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: invited most recently to the and if you go to
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: their website, there is a process for someone to renounce
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: their citizenship. I think it's only fair that Fatima Payment
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: should take reasonable steps to renounce that citizenship. And that
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: is a very precise terminology that's used in our constitution.
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: It says, unless you've taken reasonable steps to renounce citizenship,
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: you are in breach of Section forty four. And why
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: this is important is because not only is she an
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: illegitimate senator in my view, she was elected under Labour
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: she's left that party. She's now about to establish her
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: own political party in this country. And I think if
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: she's an illegitimate sitting senator, that should be checked. It
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: should be tested in our High Court, and only the
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: High Court can test this senator. Payment could refer herself
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: to the High Court to get this test and proven
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: she might be legitimate, but will never know unless it's
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: tested within the High Court.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And give it about seventeen others were tested. If we
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: don't test her when there are question marks, and we
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: don't test it because we're too scared of asking difficult
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: questions about a Muslim woman who fled Afghanistan as a refugee,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: we then are racist for not applying the constitution fairly
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: and transparently to everyone in the Parliament, regardless of their background.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I think that's the problem that she's got herself in. Hey,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Patrick carline, how does John Setka disgraced John Setka the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: form the CFME, you boss get half a million dollars
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: as a payout?
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: And what about these these allegations.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Or the sort of the claims that he's got PTSD
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: and he's going to make a work safe claim in Victoria.
• 44:45
  Speaker 12: Well, it's the large amounts of money given the nature
• 44:48
  Speaker 12: of why the CFMAU has been put into administration, I
• 44:51
  Speaker 12: mean there's all sorts of allegations of racketeering. I think
• 44:54
  Speaker 12: the biggest story here is how much a taxpayer is
• 44:57
  Speaker 12: out of pocket by this unchecked these allegations of unchecked racketeering.
• 45:02
  Speaker 12: Where preferred companies we're getting jobs worth tens of millions
• 45:06
  Speaker 12: of dollars, there was no competitive processes. What I'd like
• 45:10
  Speaker 12: to see is a forensic order, certainly in Victoria of
• 45:14
  Speaker 12: the big build. How much money were we ripped off
• 45:18
  Speaker 12: through these processes that went on unchecked for years and
• 45:22
  Speaker 12: years and years.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: And just quickly the king of the moderates. Jeez, it's
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: one after another. They're falling fast. Simon Birmingham, Liberal senator
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: from South Australia, he is stepping down his Senate leader.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Of course, that means that it's likely to be Michaulia Cash,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: she's a conservative from Wah will take the top jobs.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: What's his legacy going to be? James?
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: I don't see anything positive from Simon Birmingham. Nice guy,
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: but he should be with the Labor Party, not the
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: Liberal Party in South Australia. Rest assured Daly. I've got
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: of them nominating somebody who is conservative down there to
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: take his place in the new year. Is if Alexandik
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: has the final say over who that replacement is. But
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: never fear South Australia. One nation will be running center
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: candidates down there in South Australia next year. And Jennifer
• 46:15
  Speaker 8: Games the person you want to vote for. She'll be
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: a real genuine conservative you can vote for.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: All right. He was.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Andrew Canelson today. I want to what Peter Creedlin is
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: going to say about him tonight. Well, he was one
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: of the Avid Bedweaders who vote against voted against a
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: first term prime minister.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: And my mother's watching tonight.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I know she's at my house and I have to
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: say she will tell me if you can't say anything
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: at nights, don't say anything at all.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I'll leave it there.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: James Patrick, thank you all right, quick break, We've got
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: to London. After the break, welcome back and go to
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the UK now with a new Tory leader. Kemmy bad
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Knock has unveiled a tough new approach to immigration, warning
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: that the current raids are unsustainable.
• 46:59
  Speaker 17: Our country not sustain the numbers we have seen. We
• 47:02
  Speaker 17: are reducing the quality of life for people already here
• 47:06
  Speaker 17: because immigration is at a piece too fast to maintain
• 47:09
  Speaker 17: public services and at a rate where it is next
• 47:13
  Speaker 17: two impossible to integrate those from radically different cultures.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Joman now Sophie Elsworth and I'm very pleased to use
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: her new title our News UK correspondent. Well, great to
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: see your soph She is not going to die wondering.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I think Keny bad Knox really going to hit this
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: job hard. She's up against kiss Dama. We've talked about him.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: He's fallen so fast, so fast. How do you think
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: her approach is going to I mean, I know you're
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: four years, four and a half years away now from
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: an election, but how's her approach going to go down
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: with the voters?
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Do you think?
• 47:48
  Speaker 15: Well?
• 47:48
  Speaker 18: Peter, being on the ground here in London, Pete speaking
• 47:51
  Speaker 18: to many people, one of the key issues they talk
• 47:54
  Speaker 18: about is the migration problem. So I think this will
• 47:58
  Speaker 18: resonate very much with the British public. People are saying
• 48:02
  Speaker 18: this is an issue, but not forgetting under the Conservative Party.
• 48:07
  Speaker 18: In twenty twenty two they had record numbers of my
• 48:10
  Speaker 18: net migration here over seven hundred thousand now since the
• 48:14
  Speaker 18: July election, they've had twenty thousand small boats across the Channel.
• 48:19
  Speaker 18: So it is a real problem here and the Brits
• 48:23
  Speaker 18: are very concerned about it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I've been watching with interest the growth of the farmer movement,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: you know, Starmer back our farmers, you see it all
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the way across social media. This is over a death tax,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: basically an inheritance tax, which would force a lot of
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: the smaller producers to sell off their land and it
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: all threatened Britain's food security. But this is, you know,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: as I mentioned, just another instance of dissatisfaction with this
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: new government.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: There's that petition. We've mentioned it before, two and.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: A half million signatures, close to nearly three million signatures.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: There'll be a debate over the pinch over the petition
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: in the Parliament scheduled for January.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: But this is huge news in Britain, isn't it.
• 49:07
  Speaker 18: So it absolutely is, Peter, I mean the fact that
• 49:11
  Speaker 18: there's nearly three million signatures on this petition. Look, I
• 49:15
  Speaker 18: don't think it will eventuate to anything, but it definitely
• 49:19
  Speaker 18: puts Prime Minister Kirs Starmer under pressure and shows that
• 49:23
  Speaker 18: a lot of people are not happy. He has had
• 49:26
  Speaker 18: a really bad start since he was elected to office
• 49:29
  Speaker 18: back in July, and again speaking to people just walking
• 49:34
  Speaker 18: the streets of London asking people what they think, they
• 49:38
  Speaker 18: are lining up to say they are not happy with him.
• 49:40
  Speaker 18: So he has definitely had a very shaky start and
• 49:44
  Speaker 18: this inheritance tax is one of those big issues that
• 49:47
  Speaker 18: has drawn a lot of attention.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: And what about the moon Britain generally, I mean, you've
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: got a war in Ukraine. They've obviously been watching that
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: very closely and involved. But you've got the stench of
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: andy Sema when I was there in those big protests,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: rallies pro Palestine rallies, they're still a feature of daily sorry,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: weekly life in London.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: What's your sense of it.
• 50:12
  Speaker 18: Well, A lot of the issues we have in Australia,
• 50:15
  Speaker 18: Pete have really are quite similar to the issues here.
• 50:19
  Speaker 18: There is a problem with anti Semitism, you know, there
• 50:22
  Speaker 18: is issues with migration, there is issues with cost of living.
• 50:27
  Speaker 18: A lot of the issues that we see at home
• 50:30
  Speaker 18: in Australia are very similar to here, and people are concerned.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: We've got to get through an Australian flag to go
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: behind you there, Sophie. Don't forget where you came from.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: We look forward to catching up soon. Thank you. All right,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: that's it for me. Have a lovely weekend everyone, stay cool.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: If you're allowed to turn your air con on, I'll
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: see you on Monday. Up next, Antibolt