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25 Stats That Define The 2025 Detroit Tigers · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, brought to
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Speaker 1: you by Fox One, part of the Foul Territory Network.
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Speaker 1: Hey Troy, Thanks podcast. I'm Kierenstegley with me as always
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Speaker 1: is a man who went asked how many times per
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Speaker 1: week he goes to the gym, he goes six? Seven.
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Speaker 1: How you doing?
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Speaker 2: I'm not that young. I'm getting a little too old
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Speaker 2: for some of this stuff. No, No, I'm doing all right.
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Speaker 2: I am doing good. We got the World Series coming up,
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Speaker 2: fortunately the Tigers aren't in it, but there's still plenty
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Speaker 2: to talk about. We look back on the twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: five season, a little bit of looking in the head
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Speaker 2: and even a little bit World series talk coming your way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's start out speaking of things that age you.
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Speaker 1: I feel like this schoolbul trade or not trade or
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Speaker 1: sign or whatever extend you know, the situation and has
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Speaker 1: aged both of us through the next man until until
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Speaker 1: there's a resolution one way or another. It's definitely something
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Speaker 1: that gets the people going, which which which we appreciate
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Speaker 1: that that that's a lot of fun. We went if
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Speaker 1: you have If you guys haven't gone and listened or
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Speaker 1: watched on YouTube, our last episode we went through like
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Speaker 1: scenarios like what kind of trade would make sense through
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Speaker 1: some names out there. It's not perfect, I had, I
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Speaker 1: had a gaff in there, So I apologize for.
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Speaker 2: That Giants player and the Mets trade. You know, hey,
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Speaker 2: we make mistakes too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an error. It was an error on
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Speaker 1: my part, right, So some people were appreciative. Some people
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Speaker 1: thought like it wasn't a worthy topic. But I do
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Speaker 1: think it was a good thought exercise, and like anything else,
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Speaker 1: when we do this, Cody like afterward, you see you know,
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Speaker 1: you see stuff. You think back a little bit and
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Speaker 1: you're like, you know, did I did I get everything
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Speaker 1: that I kind of wanted to get out? And uh,
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Speaker 1: I'll say this from from my and I like the
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Speaker 1: more it just like gets kind of fed the machine,
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Speaker 1: like the social media machine, like this notion of trading school,
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Speaker 1: especially to the Mets, the more I'm like, that's not happening,
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Speaker 1: like like it's not a very scientific way to uh
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Speaker 1: to look at it. But I'm just like, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: it's too much buzz with not a lot of like
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Speaker 1: a lot of sizzle without steak, I guess would be
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Speaker 1: an expression right now, And it's just it's hard. Like
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Speaker 1: like the more I thought about, the more I just
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Speaker 1: was like, it's not gonna happen. No, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: like in the past couple of days you've like seen
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Speaker 1: thought about this, like any other sort of like secondary
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Speaker 1: thoughts about you know, the school situation as it stands
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Speaker 1: right now, right before the World Series starts.
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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say the most likely scenario
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Speaker 2: is Schooble stays and leaves eventually for nothing but a
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Speaker 2: qualifying offer. But I'm not sure, like what the percentages
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Speaker 2: on that are. I wonder if it's like sixty forty, Like,
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Speaker 2: I don't think it a trade. Here's the reason we're
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Speaker 2: talking about a trade, all right, there are a lot
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Speaker 2: of reasons that makes baseball sense, whether it's popular or not. Whatever,
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Speaker 2: you got this guy for one more year. I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying the Tigers have to go quote unquote all in,
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Speaker 2: but unless there are plans to do something more drastic
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Speaker 2: to get you over the eighty seven to win alds Hump,
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Speaker 2: there's a real argument that you should trade them and
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Speaker 2: get value. That's one reason we're talking about. The second reason.
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Speaker 2: Scott Harris, president of Baseball Operations, sat in front of
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Speaker 2: the Detroit Tigers Baseball World and was asked like, is
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Speaker 2: this a decision point, is this a topic this offseason,
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Speaker 2: the idea of a school trade, And he said, I
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Speaker 2: can't comment on that. I can't comment on contracts, free
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Speaker 2: agency players, other teams players. He at least had the
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Speaker 2: chance to say, we're not gonna trade him. We expect
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Speaker 2: him to be back in twenty twenty six, and he
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Speaker 2: didn't say that. And I don't know that that's wrong, because, hey,
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Speaker 2: if you're Scott Harris, probably doesn't hurt to here offers
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Speaker 2: from the rest of the league, right, But he also
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Speaker 2: made the conscious choice. Scotter's say this all the time.
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Speaker 2: He's a lot of things. He's not dumb. He knew
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Speaker 2: by saying that that speculation would follow. He knew he
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Speaker 2: probably could have shut down said speculation. He did not.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about this because it sure seems like the
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Speaker 2: Tigers are operating with all these options on the table,
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Speaker 2: and as people who follow and analyze the team, that's
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Speaker 2: part of our job is to analyze the various options
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Speaker 2: that exist. A trade maybe unlikely. I don't think it's
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Speaker 2: at all out of the realm of possibility, though.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again like when it comes Like I was
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Speaker 1: watching it was Joel Sherman and Brian Kenny on MLB Network,
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Speaker 1: and it's kind of funny, you know, like they're both
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Speaker 1: kind of admitting to be an armchair GMS, but they're like,
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Speaker 1: you know, if I was a GM, I'll be ruthless
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Speaker 1: and take emotion out of everything. But then they were like,
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Speaker 1: but I also wouldn't trade Trek scooble, So so yeah,
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Speaker 1: that just kind of gives you an idea of sort
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Speaker 1: of the different opinions and and and and options out there.
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Speaker 1: But like, if you care about this stuff, if you
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Speaker 1: think the game through, like like like we both do
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Speaker 1: like trying to anticipate moves before they happen as part
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Speaker 1: of it. And I did have fun with the thought exercise,
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Speaker 1: even though it was exhausting, and like I said, I
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Speaker 1: did have a gaff there. But we'll have plenty more
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Speaker 1: time to talk about the schoogle elements. Here we are
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Speaker 1: on the cuss Coody of a world series one that
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Speaker 1: I think could be a pretty fun one Toronto, And
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Speaker 1: of course the Los Angeles Dodgers quote trying to ruin
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Speaker 1: baseball again. Uh, you got you got yourself but it's
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Speaker 1: time is now. Do you have any sort of World
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Speaker 1: Series prediction you want to get off your chest, any
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Speaker 1: any thoughts.
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Speaker 2: Uh, Yeah, I'm gonna pick the Dodgers, but I think
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Speaker 2: it's gonna go six or seven games. I think it's
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Speaker 2: going to be a close series featured in some good games.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to pick the Dodgers. I just think they
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Speaker 2: have a better depth of talent. I think it's eventually
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Speaker 2: going to win out. The starting pitching favors them a
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Speaker 2: little bit, but the J's can hit, you know, the
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Speaker 2: Jays have some things going for them too. I think
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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a good series. So even though I'm
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Speaker 2: picking the Dodgers, a lot of people are like foregun
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Speaker 2: conclusion Dodgers in four or five. I don't really feel
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Speaker 2: that way. I think we're gonna see some close, tight
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Speaker 2: knit baseball games that are gonna be sighted in the
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Speaker 2: late innings.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's one of those things that you know,
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Speaker 1: you know, the Dodgers, you know the reputation you had
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Speaker 1: the show Hey game that was legendary, not you know,
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Speaker 1: no offense, Rob Parker, but it was for spectacular and
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Speaker 1: it wasn't anything that was ordinary, but regardless, we'll move on.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of angles to approach this. That Blue
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Speaker 1: Jays are hitting the ball, man, that's what I keep
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Speaker 1: coming down to. They are hitting the ball right now,
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Speaker 1: and the Dodgers a little bit quieter with the bats
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Speaker 1: than you would think, which leads me to my World
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Speaker 1: The crown is yours, of course. So there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of ways that you can kind of look at this
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Speaker 1: if you're looking to have fun with some of the
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Speaker 1: props with the World Series, Cody, There's there's a lot,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of options there. And one of the
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Speaker 1: things I wanted to point out is that I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at the odds right now. If you just think the
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Speaker 1: Dodgers are gonna win the World Series, the odds on
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Speaker 1: that are mius two fifteen. The Blue Jays are plus
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Speaker 1: one eighty, all right, So those are pretty standard numbers.
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Speaker 1: That's a substantial favorite for the Dodgers. But if you
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Speaker 1: believe that the Dodgers are going to if you believe
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Speaker 1: the Dodgers are going to win the series. Chances are
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Speaker 1: they're gonna win Game one because the Game one winner
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Speaker 1: wins the World Series at about a sixty three ish
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Speaker 1: percent clip give or take. There. If you do Dodgers
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Speaker 1: to win Game one and Dodger to win the series,
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Speaker 1: it's plus one fifteen, a lot better than minus two fifteen. Right.
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Speaker 1: If you want to get really frisky, like I'm about
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Speaker 1: to do with my pick, then you go Dodgers to
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Speaker 1: win Game one and Blue Jays to win the series.
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Speaker 1: You can get that a plus six point fifty cody,
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Speaker 1: which I think I'm not saying it's the most likely
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Speaker 1: it happened. It's obviously not given the numbers. It's the
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Speaker 1: most fun you got. Blake's down on the mount in
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Speaker 1: Game one, who's been excellent this postseason. And obviously there's
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Speaker 1: a little bit probably of a hangover after a seven
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Speaker 1: game series. But after that, the Dodgers or the Blue
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Speaker 1: Jays have the ability to get their pitching aligned exactly
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Speaker 1: as they want it. Like I said, they're hitting the
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here. I thought it'd be kind
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Speaker 1: of fun to do some some looking back. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be if we don't look back.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: Cody at the twenty twenty five season, like we're gonna
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Speaker 1: get so into off season mode, we're gonna forget something.
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Speaker 1: So I thought this would be a good, a good
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Speaker 1: time just kind of go back. And I was like,
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna find twenty five numbers,
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Speaker 1: twenty five stats just to kind of characterize summarize the
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Speaker 1: Tiger season. So that so that's what we're gonna do here.
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Speaker 1: I just I didn't really have an agenda. I just
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Speaker 1: kind of looked through the various Internet sites and found
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Speaker 1: numbers that I've found intereseing, some very basic, some that
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Speaker 1: I kind of had the cross reference and see if
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Speaker 1: it's see if it's real or not, and we'll just
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Speaker 1: lay them out there. I haven't told you any of
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Speaker 1: these codies, so we're just gonna get your honest reactions
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Speaker 1: to them and.
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Speaker 2: A lot of numbers see it too. Let's get after
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Speaker 2: it all, right.
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Speaker 1: Here's one one thousand, four hundred and fifty four. That
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Speaker 1: is the amount of strikeouts by Tigers hitters in the
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five season. That is fifth most, fifth most
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Speaker 1: in baseball Cody, So not.
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Speaker 2: Really surprised thin then strikeout right, they finished fourth fifth
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Speaker 2: and total strikeouts. I watched almost all of them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Seattle. There's a lot of these numbers that
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Speaker 1: they're close with Seattle, and it's like, yeah, I could
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Speaker 1: see why they would spend you know, a decisive game
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Speaker 1: five going six hours to figure out who's who's who's
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Speaker 1: a better team because they were aligned very similarly. Another one,
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Speaker 1: this is not a surprise either, but it is jarring
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Speaker 1: when you look at it. Sixty one that is the
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Speaker 1: amount of stolen bases by the Tiger this year by
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Speaker 1: far the fewest in baseball. I mean, it's like it's
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Speaker 1: one of those things where you know it. At the time,
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Speaker 1: the leader was Tampa Bay at one ninety four. The
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Speaker 1: Tigers had sixty one stolen bases on the year, just
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Speaker 1: not even trying, Like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never quite understood it. I'm not a huge
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Speaker 2: I don't consider myself a huge stolen base guy. I
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Speaker 2: understand the mathematical reasons to not do it. The Tigers
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Speaker 2: did steal successfully at a seventy nine percent clip, which
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Speaker 2: is about top ten in the league. They have a
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Speaker 2: few guys who I think you can expect to be
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Speaker 2: safe and even greater than a seventy nine percent clip.
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Speaker 2: It depends who's on the mound. It depends on what
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Speaker 2: their time to homeplate is. But I just tend to
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Speaker 2: think the guys could go, certain guys could go a
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Speaker 2: little bit more than they do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's that kind of leads to the next dad,
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Speaker 1: because the one of the sort of paradise boxes of
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Speaker 1: the team is that athletically, it's not like they weren't
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Speaker 1: capable of stealing bases. Because they were third in Major
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Speaker 1: League Baseball in triples, with thirty six triples as a team,
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Speaker 1: so obviously you know there's a speed element to a triple,
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Speaker 1: and and they and you know base running ability plus
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Speaker 1: you know, not to mention that taking the extra base things,
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Speaker 1: so they were certainly capable of it. It was just
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Speaker 1: actively trying not to like actively not stealing bases. So
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Speaker 1: that was their thing.
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Speaker 2: The thing later America parks one of the best parts
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Speaker 2: for triples almost every year. I wonder if that factors
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Speaker 2: into not stealing too, because you do have a greater
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Speaker 2: chance to get that extra base, as the Tigers do
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Speaker 2: very well. So maybe why risk that trying to take second?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd say you risked that because you
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Speaker 2: moved guy in the scoring position. But the triple thing
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Speaker 2: doesn't actually surprise me. And they do have a few
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Speaker 2: guys like McKinstry and others who can run the bases fastest,
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Speaker 2: fastest almost anyone.
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Speaker 1: But here's one that it surprised me. Two hundred and
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Speaker 1: forty four doubles, which is only which was only twenty
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Speaker 1: third in Major League baseball.
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Speaker 2: Like, that's not good.
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Speaker 1: I feel that actually kind of felt alarming to me.
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Speaker 2: I was like, you, I think that's a great stat
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Speaker 2: not something we've talked about all year long. You know,
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Speaker 2: this is a team that had some decent power. Would
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Speaker 2: they finished with home runs ninth or tenth somewhere around there, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but no doubles power? So did you actually have power?
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Speaker 2: Were you actually a good slugging team, especially again the
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Speaker 2: Camerica Park factor, plenty of gaps to turn singles into doubles. That, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that worries me. I don't I don't like that.
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Speaker 1: I feel like that's got to be part of the
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Speaker 1: formula moving forward, is that they got to be a
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Speaker 1: better gap hitting team in twenty twenty six. Because as
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Speaker 1: much as like as fun of a ride as twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four was with the instantment, you know, seemingly impossible
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Speaker 1: playoff run, and twenty twenty five was like unbelievable at
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Speaker 1: the beginning, and then you have the you know, the
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Speaker 1: collapse in September. The next number is one, as in,
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Speaker 1: you only had one more win in twenty twenty five
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Speaker 1: than you had in twenty twenty more, which again makes
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Speaker 1: sense when you think about it. But like, like think
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Speaker 1: about what we were talking about and how like the
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Speaker 1: fan base was feeling up into the through the All
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Speaker 1: Star break, really, Cody, and then you end up just
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Speaker 1: one win more than the previous year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the reasons the Tigers, I swear,
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Speaker 2: they're so hard to talk about, like properly. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know is it this way for every team,
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Speaker 2: because you have half the fan base who's like, oh,
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Speaker 2: you know, they're great, they're so set up, Well, why
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Speaker 2: do they get criticized so much? And then of course
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Speaker 2: you have those who think they're doing everything terribly and
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Speaker 2: it's like, well, they are coming off back to back
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Speaker 2: postseason runs. They do have a good form system, they
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Speaker 2: do still have a bright future. This seems still hasn't
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Speaker 2: won ninety games yet. You know, I remember before the
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two season, aj Hinch kind of be and like, well,
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Speaker 2: ninety wins is really the target. That's really where you
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Speaker 2: want to be to ensure you can get yourself into
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Speaker 2: playoff position. And that was a long time ago. When
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Speaker 2: they haven't done it, they haven't won the division in
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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty plus other years of Major League Baseball,
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Speaker 2: Tigers would not be a playoff team in either of
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Speaker 2: the past two seasons. Their beneficiaries of the expanded playoff.
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Speaker 2: So although they have a lot of things going well,
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Speaker 2: they're not good enough yet. I think that's like a simple,
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Speaker 2: like a fact we can say, and it doesn't have
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Speaker 2: to be like derogatory or blasting anyone. But the bar's
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Speaker 2: got to be a little bit higher to win your division,
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Speaker 2: to win ninety plus games, to have the potential to
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Speaker 2: be a championship team.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, you know, tough way to talk about it.
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Speaker 1: This is another one six simple six all stars and
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Speaker 1: they and they only won eighty seven games, and then
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Speaker 1: it's like how do you feel about And then we'll
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Speaker 1: have all offseason talk about this, like how do you
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Speaker 1: feel about Casey Maies And how do you feel about.
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Speaker 2: All of those All stars other than well scooball included.
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Speaker 2: There's a question around every single one.
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Speaker 1: Of them in some player or another. Uh so so yeah,
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Speaker 1: do you retain one of them? And uh and in
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Speaker 1: glabor Torus this case. So yeah, that's a again hard
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Speaker 1: to talk about because there's a certain takers.
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Speaker 2: Just play a normal season next year. That's my wish.
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Speaker 2: Historic comeback one year, historic collapsed the next. How about
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Speaker 2: how about like a somewhat consistent good season be a
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Speaker 2: lot easier on everybody, right.
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Speaker 1: It would, but that probably that tells me that it's
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Speaker 1: not going to happen. So, uh, here's one because this
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Speaker 1: guy wasn't an All Star, but he certainly has the
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Speaker 1: bat in a star profile, and that's Carry Carpenter. Carry
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Speaker 1: Carpenter had his worst defensive season by defensive war metrics.
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Speaker 1: He was point seven negative point seven defensive war. As
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Speaker 1: we try to figure out ways for this team to improve,
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Speaker 1: obviously there's gonna be outfielders that are gonna be in consideration,
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Speaker 1: either be a trade or free agency or whatever. And
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Speaker 1: it's like, well, what do you do with Carry Carpenter.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't want to be or they want him to
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Speaker 1: be basically a full time DH. But it's like, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you like can do you feel comfortable
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Speaker 1: with putting him out there for one hundred and forty
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Speaker 1: games in right field? You know, I don't know, It's
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Speaker 1: just something question.
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Speaker 2: There are times Carrie looks a lot better, much improved,
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Speaker 2: had some very nice plays this year. I think you're right.
18:34
Speaker 2: The more we see him out there, the more we
18:36
Speaker 2: see him out there in a bigger sample, it is like, well,
18:39
Speaker 2: he's maybe still a little bit of a minus defender.
18:43
Speaker 2: I think he's I think you can live with it, though.
18:45
Speaker 1: What how you feel about him as an outfielder is
18:48
Speaker 1: going to determine a lot about what you kind of
18:51
Speaker 1: parse out the rest of rest of your batting order,
18:54
Speaker 1: slash fielding lineup or whatever. So guys like McKinstry and
18:57
Speaker 1: Keith kind of come to mind, all right, this is
19:01
Speaker 1: probably something that took the might have held back the
19:05
Speaker 1: team more than anything else. Parker Meadows and Matt Vierling
19:10
Speaker 1: combined for negative one war in twenty twenty five. They
19:14
Speaker 1: were five point two combined in twenty twenty four, and
19:18
Speaker 1: so you basically got nothing from them this year, and
19:23
Speaker 1: we know it, but like, that's that's if you would
19:26
Speaker 1: have told us that before the season, we would have
19:28
Speaker 1: called that a very tall hill to overcome.
19:33
Speaker 2: And definitely an unfortunate break. I don't like the idea
19:37
Speaker 2: of using that as like, well everything, you know, they're
19:40
Speaker 2: gonna be back, they're gonna be healthy. Twenty twenty sixteen
19:43
Speaker 2: is automatically better, because I hate to say it, by
19:48
Speaker 2: pretty good chance you'll probably like have two guys on
19:50
Speaker 2: next year's team also missing similar chunks of time. That's
19:54
Speaker 2: just like how these things tend to work.
19:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's get let's get a little bit more.
20:00
Speaker 1: Dylan Dingler was a three point one war player this
20:04
Speaker 1: past year. Cody, that is the best since Alex Avila
20:09
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven, who was putting like five
20:12
Speaker 1: point two or five point three war that season. Dylan
20:16
Speaker 1: Dingler had himself like in his like of this at
20:20
Speaker 1: least this century and historic catching season for the Tigers.
20:24
Speaker 1: I adn't go back that far, but yeah, it was just.
20:27
Speaker 2: For the past decade. I don't know if that quite
20:30
Speaker 2: is like historic, but he was really good. He's really good.
20:32
Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see if he can continue to
20:35
Speaker 2: perform the way he did at the plate this season,
20:38
Speaker 2: because the future is very bright for Dylan Dingler. Is
20:40
Speaker 2: he really a two seventy plus hitter. Maybe a little skeptical,
20:44
Speaker 2: but I think there's also an argument that he could
20:47
Speaker 2: be a guy who gets closer to like eighteen nineteen
20:50
Speaker 2: twenty home runs next season. He's got some pop in
20:53
Speaker 2: the bat. Very excited to see what the future holds
20:56
Speaker 2: for Dingler, no doubt.
20:59
Speaker 1: All Right, another number here. Specier Torklsen had an eight
21:04
Speaker 1: eighty four ops versus lefties. That was twenty fifth best
21:09
Speaker 1: in baseball.
21:10
Speaker 2: Thank well.
21:11
Speaker 1: And that's a little bit behind Glabor Torres, who who
21:14
Speaker 1: was just just a little bit ahead of them. But
21:16
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know what his services are going
21:17
Speaker 1: to be. I think you'll take tork being the twenty
21:20
Speaker 1: fifth best ops guy against lefties next year. That seems
21:24
Speaker 1: like it seems like a good thing.
21:25
Speaker 2: That was. That was another one of the things we
21:27
Speaker 2: wouldn't have predicted coming into the year. Not necessarily torklesin,
21:30
Speaker 2: but the lineup as a whole. There was all this
21:32
Speaker 2: talk are they too left handed? They ended up being
21:35
Speaker 2: what fourth best against left handed pitching as a whole
21:39
Speaker 2: with torkl sin as you just stated, a pretty big
21:41
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Speaker 1: here's one Jackson job. Is he just a winner? He
23:49
Speaker 1: had a four and one record as a starter in
23:52
Speaker 1: ten starts this year. Cody and uh and a guy
23:57
Speaker 1: that's like, I guess we're do a medical update from
24:00
Speaker 1: the tigers here relatively for a lot of guys. They
24:04
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24:06
Speaker 1: have not still waiting. So like, that's a guy whose
24:09
Speaker 1: progress is obviously pretty key in shaping you know, like
24:13
Speaker 1: you know, how how to anticipate the pitching rotation and
24:17
Speaker 1: what moves to make or whatever for twenty twenty six.
24:20
Speaker 2: So well, beyond twenty I'm not really counting on him,
24:24
Speaker 2: you know, at all in twenty twenty six, twenty then
24:28
Speaker 2: we talked about this at the time, but then he
24:30
Speaker 2: comes into twenty twenty seven and he's still kind of
24:34
Speaker 2: a total question mark. He's barely pitched in the major leagues.
24:36
Speaker 2: It's such an unfortunate injury with with really unfortunate timing
24:40
Speaker 2: both for job and the franchise.
24:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, and another kind of easy one sixty seven combined
24:50
Speaker 1: home runs between Spencer Torkelsen and Riley Green. That's that
24:56
Speaker 1: was obvious. I mean, as cynical as you get, and
24:59
Speaker 1: as like you the general you like, I cynical as
25:02
Speaker 1: you get, and as like frustrating as it is to
25:04
Speaker 1: kind of watch these guys journeys in different ways with
25:08
Speaker 1: strikeouts this year with Green Torque with a couple times
25:11
Speaker 1: being optioned down the Triple A. This is that this
25:15
Speaker 1: was kind of partially the pipe dream when when those
25:18
Speaker 1: guys were drafted, you know, in the first round, one
25:20
Speaker 1: one in Tork's case, and uh, you know these you know,
25:23
Speaker 1: these offensive dudes that kind of help lead you to
25:25
Speaker 1: the playoffs and in a couple of rounds deep into
25:27
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and from a macro perspective, there's there's a
25:30
Speaker 1: success element there that sometimes you forget in the day
25:33
Speaker 1: to day.
25:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. Both players have for room
25:36
Speaker 2: to get better, but here they are leading the Tigers
25:39
Speaker 2: of the playoffs. Both thirty homerun guys in the middle
25:41
Speaker 2: of the order, very very early in their careers. As
25:44
Speaker 2: you said, kind of how this was drawn up a
25:47
Speaker 2: little bit. Both can improve, but you have two pretty
25:50
Speaker 2: legit power bats in the middle of your order and
25:53
Speaker 2: that is a good place to start.
25:56
Speaker 1: And we'll stick with Riley Green. Riley Green was an
26:00
Speaker 1: like the metrics just hate Riley Green despite the fact
26:03
Speaker 1: that like defensively and now I'm talking about defense, he
26:06
Speaker 1: like he was he was two outs above above average
26:10
Speaker 1: but negative one point three d war Cody like it
26:13
Speaker 1: was just like they did not like him at all.
26:16
Speaker 1: He has the highlights, you know, I'm not doubting the numbers,
26:20
Speaker 1: but figuring out a way for him to be I
26:23
Speaker 1: think what he's capable of defensively would probably go a
26:26
Speaker 1: long way to this team. Like taking a next step
26:32
Speaker 1: because you can't, Yeah, you can't have a left fielder.
26:34
Speaker 1: I think that's like, that's negative war to that extent,
26:37
Speaker 1: especially one who's who has his talent level in my.
26:40
Speaker 2: Opinion, Well, concerning that young in his career pointed multiple
26:44
Speaker 2: times throughout the year how much he slowed down, and
26:46
Speaker 2: that's reflected in his sprint speed data. And for those
26:49
Speaker 2: who doubt that he didn't have a good year defensively,
26:52
Speaker 2: I would be like, I mean, watch, let's hopefully it
26:55
Speaker 2: finds a way to improve next year. But watch the game.
26:58
Speaker 2: Watch the plays. Don't just watch slide or the jump
27:01
Speaker 2: or the dive. I think although he has great instincts
27:04
Speaker 2: and a knack for highlight plays, he's not afraid to
27:06
Speaker 2: sacrifice his body, which would be appreciated. I think he's
27:11
Speaker 2: diving for some balls that other outfielders might not be
27:14
Speaker 2: diving for. They'd be getting there standing up. I just
27:16
Speaker 2: think he slowed down some balls were dropping in front
27:19
Speaker 2: of him. The arm is really really not very good.
27:24
Speaker 2: Concerns me as much as anything on the flip side
27:26
Speaker 2: of that. One thing we haven't talked about. Rightley Green
27:28
Speaker 2: did get through the year without going on the IL
27:31
Speaker 2: and that was a big question for him, and I'm
27:34
Speaker 2: sure he's playing through some things. A. J. Hinsche even
27:37
Speaker 2: said at one point this year that he was quote
27:39
Speaker 2: always on the verge of something. While he never went
27:42
Speaker 2: over that edge, he was able to stay healthy and
27:45
Speaker 2: even though his production waned at times, I do think
27:49
Speaker 2: he deserves some credit for being able to stay on
27:51
Speaker 2: the field and post for the Tigers.
27:54
Speaker 1: I agree, and that again, sometimes important perspectives to be
27:58
Speaker 1: had there. How about this your leading hit man in
28:04
Speaker 1: the postseason? One? Hobby Bias ten hits in the postseason.
28:09
Speaker 1: No one else had double digits. Carpenter was just behind
28:12
Speaker 1: him with nine, but Hobby Bayas and I'm gonna go
28:16
Speaker 1: to two for here. Hobby Bayaz ten hits in the
28:18
Speaker 1: postseason and second stat related to him only three strikeouts,
28:23
Speaker 1: which was the lowest of any regular among the Tigers
28:26
Speaker 1: in the postseason.
28:28
Speaker 2: Doesn't surprise me.
28:29
Speaker 4: Man.
28:29
Speaker 2: Postseason Hobby was a lot of fun to watch. Would
28:31
Speaker 2: be nice if you could just tap into that all
28:33
Speaker 2: year rounds. I'm not expecting that, but hey, reassuring you
28:37
Speaker 2: know there's something still in there.
28:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and a lot of fun key hits as well,
28:42
Speaker 1: not empty calories there for hobby and then like sometimes
28:47
Speaker 1: we talked about the Torres decline, like and then we
28:52
Speaker 1: find out that he was playing through hernia. Here's a
28:55
Speaker 1: sort of a stat visualization. Here's a I know, bading
28:59
Speaker 1: averages waver but he bet bet at two eighty one
29:02
Speaker 1: in the first half and he was two twenty three
29:04
Speaker 1: in the second half. Uh. You know, so, like you
29:07
Speaker 1: just talk about just a steep decline and in production
29:11
Speaker 1: there that that kind of illustrated the best for me.
29:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, not much more to say. The numbers speak for itself,
29:17
Speaker 2: and the hernia thing was clearly affecting him. Sucks because
29:21
Speaker 2: he did, he costs himself a lot of money and
29:23
Speaker 2: wherever he ends up, you know, I think that second
29:26
Speaker 2: half will unfortunately reflect negatively upon him and free agency.
29:30
Speaker 2: Maybe that increases the odds of a return to Detroit,
29:35
Speaker 2: but I kind of reminder of how fickle the game
29:37
Speaker 2: can be. Sometimes one injury or not at your best
29:39
Speaker 2: and and that'll ding you on the open market.
29:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, like doing this exercise was a lot
29:46
Speaker 1: of fun because it's like you're you're reminded of the
29:49
Speaker 1: things that you spent a lot of time thinking about
29:52
Speaker 1: at the time, but now it seems like stilly, like
29:54
Speaker 1: the Manuel Margo stuff and Ryan Kreidler things, and.
29:57
Speaker 2: Then Margo that is so easy to forget that he
30:00
Speaker 2: was on this baseball team.
30:02
Speaker 1: Open the season with him that had a controversial play
30:04
Speaker 1: at foam plate against the Dodgers who are in the
30:06
Speaker 1: World Series.
30:07
Speaker 4: Now.
30:08
Speaker 1: Uh So, speaking of that, we spent a lot of
30:11
Speaker 1: time talking about, like what do you do with Jace Young?
30:14
Speaker 1: Jace Young only had fifty five plate appearances Cody for
30:18
Speaker 1: a one to oz six batting average. So just not
30:21
Speaker 1: even not even I might trying to be mean here,
30:23
Speaker 1: but just like not even remotely a factor on this team, like.
30:26
Speaker 2: No, and see in the inner spring training like out
30:29
Speaker 2: of sight, out of mind a little bit. I guess
30:30
Speaker 2: he'll be in sight, but it doesn't especially with the McGonagall,
30:34
Speaker 2: Max Anderson, how you Lee on the rise, Like, I mean,
30:37
Speaker 2: his left handedness somewhat bodes well for him, but it
30:41
Speaker 2: seems he's in danger of being passed over. It's gonna
30:44
Speaker 2: be a big off season and a big spring for
30:46
Speaker 2: Jase Young.
30:50
Speaker 1: Well, another guy who that probably falls into the category
30:53
Speaker 1: is justin Henry Malloy, who, by the way, we look
30:57
Speaker 1: at it because he just didn't you know, he wasn't
30:59
Speaker 1: with the team, He didn't get that many opportunities. He
31:02
Speaker 1: still managed in one hundred and twenty seven played appearances
31:06
Speaker 1: to post a three forty six OBI on base percentage.
31:10
Speaker 1: So like, that's the stat right there, which makes me think,
31:12
Speaker 1: can we find a way to get this guy some
31:16
Speaker 1: sort and you know, he's got to have responsibility for
31:18
Speaker 1: it too, some sort of regular like role.
31:22
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, they could, they don't want to play
31:25
Speaker 2: him in the field, and that's what it comes down to.
31:28
Speaker 2: I don't know, three forty six OBP, that's kind of
31:31
Speaker 2: exactly what this lineup needs. Yeah, you wish there were
31:34
Speaker 2: a way to make that work a little more easily.
31:36
Speaker 2: And it does break the question. Well, we just talked
31:39
Speaker 2: about carry Carpenter's defense. We just talked about Riley Green's defense.
31:42
Speaker 2: Where's the line between what you can live with and
31:45
Speaker 2: what you can't. I don't know the answer to that question,
31:48
Speaker 2: but I wonder if it'd be worth taking a harder
31:50
Speaker 2: look at that given the own baseability Jahan has.
31:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be wishing for that as long as
31:59
Speaker 1: he is a member of this organization. And but you know,
32:04
Speaker 1: one of the more positive developments. Now it was hot
32:06
Speaker 1: to be to start there for a second and cooled off.
32:09
Speaker 1: But how about Winstell Perez. I mean, he's got six
32:12
Speaker 1: career home runs off of left handed pitching, five of
32:17
Speaker 1: them this past year. Like a like a little like
32:19
Speaker 1: a like a little bit of a of a revelation there,
32:22
Speaker 1: you know.
32:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a game changer for Winsol, made him
32:25
Speaker 2: way more valuable. Be highly interested to see if he
32:28
Speaker 2: can repeat that. Obviously a rough finish and rough postseason,
32:33
Speaker 2: but I think he's still someone that is going to
32:35
Speaker 2: be among the most interesting players in camp come February.
32:40
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, another guy who is going to be interesting
32:44
Speaker 1: and or and or kind of out of sight, out
32:49
Speaker 1: of mind is one Tray Sweeney. Tray Sweeney made eighty
32:54
Speaker 1: one starts at shortstock.
32:56
Speaker 2: What what that's so hard to believe.
33:01
Speaker 1: He started half the season for the Tigers at shortstop
33:05
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five and in starts, so I didn't
33:09
Speaker 1: take into account when he came and pinch it or
33:11
Speaker 1: you know whatever. In starts he only had a three
33:15
Speaker 1: to eleven slug the.
33:18
Speaker 2: Just so some of these things every now and then
33:21
Speaker 2: sometimes I have a hard time seeing how the Tigers
33:24
Speaker 2: are gonna win ninety plus. And sometimes it's like, well,
33:26
Speaker 2: maybe the path isn't that hard. Just don't have to
33:29
Speaker 2: play Trey Sweeney at short for eighty one games, assuming
33:32
Speaker 2: he's not performing markedly better, and then that'll boch your
33:36
Speaker 2: win turtle by a winner two right there?
33:39
Speaker 1: Very true? All right, Uh, here's a fun stat. We
33:43
Speaker 1: talk about school Ball and his value. When Schoolball went
33:47
Speaker 1: seven plus Ning's in twenty twenty five, the Tigers were
33:50
Speaker 1: twelve and one. Now that one loss was a one
33:55
Speaker 1: to zero loss at Kansas City at the end of
33:59
Speaker 1: May twelve and one when schoob Ble got to to
34:02
Speaker 1: seven plus and he was we know, it's watching like
34:05
Speaker 1: he was on the verge of getting through, you know,
34:08
Speaker 1: getting through that threshold a lot. But he came like
34:10
Speaker 1: one or two batter short aj whts the matchup takeshi
34:13
Speaker 1: out blah blah blah. But twelve and one when he
34:15
Speaker 1: gets to when he got to step through seven innings.
34:18
Speaker 2: We're a week into this. We we got Terrek. I hope
34:22
Speaker 2: you're not listening. If you are, just turn off your
34:25
Speaker 2: phone go play golf.
34:26
Speaker 1: Man.
34:26
Speaker 2: We got to sit here and talk about all these aspects.
34:29
Speaker 2: I hope you're able to unplug from all the noise
34:31
Speaker 2: around you right now.
34:34
Speaker 1: Well stick with him for a second. One Maddox and
34:37
Speaker 1: that was on May twenty fifth. So talk about two
34:40
Speaker 1: really really good starts back to back there May twenty fifth.
34:43
Speaker 1: We remember he had the Maddox. He had nine inning
34:46
Speaker 1: when nine n two hits, thirteen k's ninety four pitches,
34:50
Speaker 1: you know, one of the more fun games of the
34:52
Speaker 1: season to h to watching and you know experience if
34:56
Speaker 1: you guys were were at the ballpark. Here's one that's
35:01
Speaker 1: not so fun. Cody, Tommy Kainlee, John Breba, Olex Cob
35:06
Speaker 1: kent to Mata combined for around slotted about thirty five
35:11
Speaker 1: million in salary for the twenty twenty five season, and
35:14
Speaker 1: you got negative point nine war from from those pictures.
35:20
Speaker 1: The best was Alex Cobb, who was zero point zero
35:25
Speaker 1: because he did not pitch. Kinley ended up that negative
35:29
Speaker 1: point one.
35:30
Speaker 2: So again, just don't repeat that, and maybe you're gonna
35:34
Speaker 2: win ninety five games. I don't. That's yeah, that's one
35:38
Speaker 2: of those things, you know, but when you hear it
35:40
Speaker 2: out loud with the war combined attached to it, it
35:43
Speaker 2: it just hits all over again sometime.
35:46
Speaker 1: Maybe the extra the point of this exercise. Maybe it's
35:48
Speaker 1: really simple to build a baseball team. It's got your
35:50
Speaker 1: jobs not that hard.
35:51
Speaker 2: Well, just don't totally mess up the pitching and don't
35:54
Speaker 2: play Tray Sweeney at eight shortstep eighty one times when
35:57
Speaker 2: he's not producing. Yeah, anyone could do that, right.
36:02
Speaker 1: Oh man, that guy we're gonna spend a lot of
36:04
Speaker 1: time talking about too. And you know, like what and
36:08
Speaker 1: what is he going to be like in springs training
36:10
Speaker 1: with what is pitching? What did he do in the lab?
36:12
Speaker 1: Casey Mayes, Well, he's gonna have to be a lot
36:14
Speaker 1: better at the splitter or he might have to abandon
36:17
Speaker 1: it again, because opponents hit that splitter for a two
36:21
Speaker 1: ninety seven clip in twenty twenty five, a number that
36:25
Speaker 1: was shockingly high.
36:26
Speaker 2: When I looked at him, Yeah, I think he had
36:28
Speaker 2: a negative run value. He even talked about this before
36:30
Speaker 2: one of his postseason starts, being like, you can look
36:32
Speaker 2: at the run value and feel like it's not that
36:34
Speaker 2: great of a pitch. It's still key to my arsenal.
36:37
Speaker 2: There were days this year where the my splitter was
36:40
Speaker 2: really good, and that's when he was at his best.
36:42
Speaker 2: But you're right, even on some of those days, I
36:45
Speaker 2: think it got hit for a little bit of a damage,
36:47
Speaker 2: for a little bit of damage when he leaves it up. Yeah,
36:52
Speaker 2: I wish it. That's got to be a positive run
36:55
Speaker 2: value pitch for him, like it just it just does.
36:58
Speaker 2: He's so much better when he has that pitch going.
37:00
Speaker 2: But uh, you gotta hope you can find a way
37:02
Speaker 2: to become a little bit more consistent with it.
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Speaker 1: And in fairness, two sixty was the expected batting average,
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Speaker 1: So take that for bad luck on the splitter, that
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Speaker 1: for what it's worth and less but not least. This
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Speaker 1: is actually kind of my favorite Cody. We got to
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Speaker 1: figure out what to deal with Cold Keith, Like where's
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Speaker 1: he gonna play? What's his ceiling? He improved a lot offensively.
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Speaker 1: If you look at some of the numbers, you know,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five, still very young.
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Speaker 1: We all know this. We would consider, and bear with
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Speaker 1: me for a second, we would consider Zach McKinstry a
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Speaker 1: top notch base runner. Correct. Yeah, yeah, so Zach McKinstry
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Speaker 1: ninety one percent tile and base running run value. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Cold Keith eighty nine percent. Tile Cold Keith eighty nine percent.
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Speaker 1: Tile is Cold Keith. Just just think Zach McKinstry, who,
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Speaker 1: by the way, both I abslou had the the same
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Speaker 1: percentile UH in launch Angle sweet Spot.
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Speaker 2: Changle sweet Spot ninety six percent. Colt said before I'm fast,
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you guys, and he's alright, sixty
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Speaker 2: sixth percent island sprint speed.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: Some of y'all are out here trying to trade Cold Keith.
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Speaker 1: I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't really know where he's gonna play. He's not
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Speaker 2: a perfect puzzle piece right now. But improved his exit
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Speaker 2: velocity from eighty seven point eight as a rookie to
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Speaker 2: ninety miles an hour on average last season, raised his
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Speaker 2: walk right from six point five percent to ten point
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Speaker 2: three percent. There are just a lot of signs. Barrel
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Speaker 2: rate went way up. Uh, there are a lot of
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Speaker 2: signs that are pretty encouraging from Cold Keith. I'm kind
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Speaker 2: of picking the Cold Keith breakout year next year.
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Speaker 1: I was about to say, eventually we're gonna do a
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Speaker 1: you know breakout or this guy you know this gets going,
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Speaker 1: it takes the team over the top type deal. Gonna
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Speaker 1: be pretty high in the list cold Key is gonna
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Speaker 1: be pretty high the list.
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Speaker 2: There, careful before you try to trade.
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Speaker 1: Courte Keith, third year in the majors, gets a little
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Speaker 1: pop going. You know, we'll see, we shall see. And
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Speaker 1: you know the Tigers front office loves him because he's
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Speaker 1: got that team friendly contract. So so yeah, that's it.
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Speaker 1: Twenty five stats to define the twenty twenty five Tigers
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