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#48 - When the Game Hurts: Real Stories of Sports Injuries · Life According to Brian and Jason

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  All right, friends, welcome to another episode of Life According
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  to Brian and Jason. Hey,
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  Jason, we're back. What do you got for me? Hey,
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  uh, there are a lot of professional sport injuries out there recently.
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  I want to know, Brian, have you ever had an injury playing sports,
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  and, uh, what was your biggest main injury you've had?
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  a long way in keeping this production going. Thank you. Oh yeah,
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  yeah, week 2 of NFL, it's ugly, but I know
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  it's cringeworthy watching sports
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  because yeah, I get flashbacks of all the ones I had, I think
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  the worst one I had was I raced
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  BMX bikes from the age of 12 to about
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  15, 16 years old. And I went through various different
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  stages of it. You start as a beginner,
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  novice, you go to intermediate, and you get to expert.
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  I made it that far, never turned pro. But the point is,
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  is every level of competition,
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  expect a little bit more. And yeah,
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  I, uh, wound up— the way BMX
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  works is they shoot you out of a gate. There's a starting gate up
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  at the top of a hill, and when that metal gate
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  drops, 8 bikes all shoot downhill. Pedal as far as
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  you can into the first corner, and going down that hill,
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  you're probably hitting, I don't know, 25, 30 miles an hour,
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  maybe Somewhere around there back in the day.
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  And a kid actually who I went to high school with,
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  he was on the inside and he came over and somehow
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  his pedal got in my front wheel and over
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  the bars I went full speed and it kind
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  of hit right above the kneecap on the right knee.
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  And Yeah, I knew something wasn't right, you know,
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  kind of got myself peeled off the ground and got
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  my bike and started heading back to the truck because I wasn't
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  moving too good. And, uh, yeah, overnight that
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  baby swelled up like— looked like someone put a watermelon on my
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  knee. And, uh, so think of
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  what sports medicine was like in 1984.
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  Yeah, you show up at the ER, of course they do x-rays. You're like,
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  yeah, yeah, but believe her.
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  They said, yeah, it looks like just maybe a torn meniscus.
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  Well, what do you do for that? Uh, not much. That was
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  the doc saying, not much. Here's a 1-inch piece
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  of foam pad and a big ACE bandage and
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  a bag of ice. That was the protocol. Right there. Wow.
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  So I had to wrap it and put pressure on
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  to get the swelling to come down and just keep icing it. And yeah,
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  it took me about 6 weeks of that,
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  walking on crutches. There was no like, yeah,
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  we're gonna do surgery, we're gonna scope it out, you know. It's just a lot
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  of that wasn't really how things worked, you know.
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  Even if they said, yeah, we could do this surgery to speed
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  up your healing. I don't think, you know, my parents were going to pay
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  that kind of money back in the day. They're like, yeah, you'll be all right.
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  You're— the rest of your knee is fine. You just have a torn chunk of
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  cartilage. Now, did they tell me how torn? No. It's probably
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  an era before MRIs. And I'm, you know—
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  so did you ever get it looked at or not really? Have you— do you
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  still— well, fast forward in life, you know, I just kind of dealt with it.
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  Of course, that and that kind of made me miss some
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  other parts of baseball, kind of had to heal up. The leg was never
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  right. And so then I dealt with hip pain on
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  that right side when I was trying to play junior
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  varsity ball. So then I had to— I couldn't play, you know, just the whole
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  right leg was not right. And just
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  kind of helped the team out as equipment manager and things
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  like that, just because I wasn't durable enough to play.
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  So then I ran cross-country thinking I could rehab it when I
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  was a junior in high school. And a sports medicine
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  doc actually volunteered his time for our cross-country team
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  because I went to a really big high school, big 5A high school.
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  36 to 4,000 kids,
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  3,600 to 4,000 kids school.
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  And it's a very big school. And so he
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  looked at me and goes, well, you got a couple problems here.
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  Why are your feet so flat? What kind of shoes you wearing? I wore Vans,
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  which had like no arch, you know,
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  because you raced in Vans. I was a bike racer. He wore Vans
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  shoes, slip-ins. And I was like, okay, ditch those, buddy.
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  You need to do this. Here's a piece of foam. We're back to
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  the foam, Jason. Here, here's a piece of foam. And they made me arch supports.
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  Because this is again before the era of, could you go
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  to your local Foot Locker and buy different sizes
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  of arch supports? I don't think it existed back then.
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  So it was just one of those things. And so he said, yeah, you're going
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  to have shin splints for a while. But come in.
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  He goes, we'll ice your shins.
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  We'll do a little protocol on them where they have to push really
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  hard down your shin bone.
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  They're just so sore. And then they're just digging in on it.
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  So yeah, I did that. I actually got back
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  to where I can run pretty good again. I can field the ball.
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  So cross-country's in the fall. Spring baseball's
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  coming around the corner. I went to tryouts. I did very well, but I did
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  not make either team because I lost that year.
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  And so yeah, and then fast forward
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  into life, I try to go skiing. I'm like, why does that right knee
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  hurt so bad? Finally went in. They did proper imaging.
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  And the doc goes, does it hurt when you do this? Yes. And he goes,
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  well, don't do that anymore. He was mimicking how
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  you ski. You know, you put that inside,
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  uh, torque, you know, like when you're doing, doing turns
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  or you're doing the wedge or something where you have to twist your knee a
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  little bit when you ski to get that, uh, you know, so you can steer.
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  And he said, well, if you wanna, if you want
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  to just deal with it, learn to ski where
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  you take a little bit of pressure off that knee. Or he goes,
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  we can scope it, but, you know,
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  doesn't fix it. It's not like, you know, hey, we're gonna put new
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  cartilage in there. So, so anyway, long story short,
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  since I blew it out or tore it then, it's still
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  a thing today. All these years later, never had
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  it worked on. Never had it worked on. Nope. Do you plan
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  on doing that or no? Probably not. And the reason why I
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  asked one of the docs is my left knee I hurt skiing.
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  It's a slightly different injury.
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  So I had that imaged and I said, well, could I get a twofer?
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  You know, well, and he goes, not at the same time. And he looked and
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  they imaged the right again and he goes, you know, the edges wore off on
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  it after all these years. I go, do you really have much pain with it?
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  And we go, no. I said, if I— the
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  one thing that hurts it the most is cross-country skiing.
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  And he goes, do you do that anymore? I'm like, no. He goes, you're good.
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  So, you know, sometimes it's just
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  not doing what aggravates it, right? Right. But yeah, I can run,
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  ride, all that stuff. At some point, I'll actually have
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  to get the left work done. So that's— that was a
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  skiing accident into a tree well. So yeah, if you don't know what
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  a tree well is, that's, uh, where snow—
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  you know, if you've got— if you're skiing on 5 feet of snow,
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  trees, um, kind of have a ledge down
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  into the tree because the snow tries to fill in around big
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  pine trees but can't sometimes.
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  Backcountry skiing, you'll mess up and wind in a— and I
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  got stuck down in there with my knee all tweaked.
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  So, so yeah, I've been probably a little harder on my body
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  as an adult, not as a teenager. So,
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  but well, anyway, I was in high school playing football.
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  In my junior year, I tore my ACL playing
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  football and it hurt like a sucker. That sounds terrible.
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  Yeah, it was like a— so then it would— back then,
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  now they just kind of do a quick surgery and you just walk in right
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  away. There I was in that cast, and not, not a cast,
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  like a boot thing where it stabilized you. Uh-huh.
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  Big old cut on my knee, and then a little cut on my knee and
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  a staple in there to hold the new ligament in there. What year is
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  this? '86. '86. '86. So had
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  it done at the Air Force Academy. Um, that was Air Force.
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  So went to those doctors and, you know,
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  was rehabbing and stuff. And I finished out,
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  uh, the rest of the year as a manager
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  on the team because I just wanted to be around the team, you know.
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  Yeah. Wow, funny. Similar stories. Totally. Yeah,
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  knees are common. Right. But yeah,
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  now, but I had that surgery done and fast forward, forward, I was running a
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  half marathon down in Florida and I tore on the same
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  left leg, my meniscus doing that.
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  So kind of the same thing. Well, I'm not doing half marathons anymore.
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  So, you know, stopped doing that. Right. And then I'm a PE
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  teacher and then I,
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  was pushing off a scooter. I've done something I've done a million times.
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  Scooters are those little wooden things with 4 wheels. You know, it's real
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  puny, right off the wall. I was doing a push-off contest with
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  kids and ouch, if I didn't tear my meniscus on the
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  other— on my good leg, I'm like, oh.
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  But all that being said, I would do it
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  again. I would play football again. If you said you're going to get this
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  and that's going to happen, I would have done nothing
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  different. And I bet all these NFL players,
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  I bet Jackson Dart, who suffered a left knee injury last night,
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  I bet, I think he would say, you know, I'd do it all over again.
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  I'd do it. And, you know, Caleb Williams hamstring,
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  Jayden Daniels, you know, elbow injury second time,
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  you know, Sam Darnold, you know, lower body leg injury.
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  I think they would all do it again. And I
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  don't know, it kind of makes you who you are. I don't know, I love
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  sports. I would do it. And just
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  the whole injury thing, but what they can do to get back. You talked about
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  all those things on how long it took. They didn't have the technology. Now they
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  have all these technology, you know, Patrick Mahomes, man, you know,
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  surgeries, Achilles, I mean, all this stuff. Aaron Rodgers coming
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  back in a year from stuff that you would just be totally— Yeah.
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  Oh yeah. 40 years ago. Yeah.
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  A lot of those injuries were not,
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  you were not able to recover to go play the sport you love. And I
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  have to say, I didn't, I was just kind of a self-made athlete.
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  Never really trained. You know, what's training?
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  You know? Bike racing, I would just practice starts.
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  Training is what coaches told you to do in high school. Like,
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  let's do leg lifts. Let's do 60
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  sit-ups in a minute. That's what you thought the world was.
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  You didn't really understand rehabilitation back
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  in the '80s, especially as a high school kid. And so
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  that's why when that that doc was working on me for free on
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  the cross-country team, I was just like, wow, there's a whole nother world
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  out there that I don't understand. It's like people who
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  know what to do to help your body heal.
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  Because doctors are kind of like doctors, like, yeah,
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  we can do this. And they always try to talk
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  you out of stuff. Well, you need to be safe, young man.
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  Right. You know, well, that's not helping because
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  my mom says the same thing. Thanks, Doc. But I want to do
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  what I want to do. Right, right. But once again, man, all the
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  tech— like, I'm just looking at the MLB report before the postseason. Aaron Judge placed
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  on a 10-day, you know, from a right calf strain. Shohei Ohtani,
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  knee and biceps, expect to be activated and return for the Dodgers lineup
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  this week ahead of the postseason. Alex Bregman. I mean, oh yeah,
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  facial, get in the face, ball to the face.
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  Yeah, dude, I, I, that one I purposely
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  did not go and see replay on. I didn't even want to look
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  at that. So yeah, yeah, nope, that's good.
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  Nope, that hurts because I've had that off the face too,
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  right? But all these guys though, man, to come back like Aaron and especially older
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  athletes That is not just go to the doctor and get a shot. Those guys
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  gotta eat right, they gotta— oh yeah,
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  do the exercises, they gotta do the PT. You got to
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  be faithful. You get a chance— body— when you have money
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  and— oh yeah, and distraction, right, every day,
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  you know, that— I, I have a tip of the hat to all these guys,
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  right? To come get a chance, go look at Caffrey.
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  Oh yeah, that dude. Well, San Francisco,
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  they're jacked again. They got injuries everywhere. Um,
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  his, his training routine to come back after whatever
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  he had done, they were showing clips of it. Wow,
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  what a grind. What a grind. He does it right.
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  Yeah, he does it right. Yeah. Luckily he's,
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  you know, okay. But right, they got a bunch of injuries too,
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  man. Just people Right. I just hope he stays good when they do all that
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  work and put all that in. Yeah, he's one of my favorite players,
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  obviously coming from Colorado. Well, his dad
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  playing for the Broncos and everything, just— Right. You know,
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  well, I feel for Jayden Daniels,
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  quarterback of the Washington Commanders. I like him.
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  He's an Arizona State quarterback. He was there a couple of years and
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  So I watched for my Arizona State alum who wound up in
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  the NFL. And yeah, poor dude, that elbow popping out
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  to his own doing. Like he fell backwards on himself and
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  popped his elbow out. It's like, whoa. And yeah, he does
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  kind of look like he's very thin compared
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  to the big players on the— but what's funny,
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  they show another shot of him standing with like trainers,
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  and he's still way bigger than the trainers, you know, right? The medical
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  people, right? Then you stand him next to someone on
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  the, on the offensive line, he looks like, man, that guy's a toothpick.
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  He's just gonna get bent in half. Well, well, he bends his own elbow
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  backwards. That was ugly. And then, um,
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  Skadaboo, have you seen that guy for the Giants?
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  Yeah. Scadaboo,
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  Arizona, running back, Arizona State running back.
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  Yeah. First year in the NFL. Yeah. Broken leg.
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  Horrible broken leg. Oh, yeah. Like, like,
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  yeah, let's stop showing that replay. NFL dude.
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  And the passion for that guy to come back, right? Sorry. It's just
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  crazy. Now, with all these injuries you've had and stuff,
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  obviously for me, whenever you experience something, it's tough. Like,
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  There's a lot of knee injuries in sports, man.
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  With— when Jackson Dart got that, I couldn't even look. I'm like, oh,
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  any kind of knee injury. Yeah. I'm like, oh,
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  can't do it. I don't even want to see it. That's like— because I just—
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  my knee twinges. Yeah. Is that for you too? Oh yeah, yeah. Because both of
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  them, both of them are messed up, right? And then,
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  uh, you know, in my adult years, I haven't been kind. You know, I broke
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  my left elbow like sheared my elbow off.
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  Had to have it pinned back. That was a bike accident.
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  And then left shoulder, I have a torn labrum.
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  That's like the suction cup around the end
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  of the shoulder there. And so that's all torn. I haven't had surgery
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  on that. I'm avoiding surgery unless absolutely necessary.
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  You kind of are, dude. You're, you're, yeah. But you know what?
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  You're living it, you're doing it, you're doing things you like, you're not letting things
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  stop you. So if I can find ways to deal with
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  it and manage it, I do. Just because
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  surgeries are a fortune and you really have to take your
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  time to go through the proper rehab, you know?
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  And sometimes it's the quality of doc
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  that's maybe not so reassuring.
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  So then you're getting second opinion. I mean, these pro sport
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  guys, you know, once you think they're getting top tier kind of— you
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  would think so. You would think so. Top tier million-dollar quarterbacks,
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  right? The NFL really has a problem with some seriously high-money
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  quarterbacks getting hurt. Like, yes. Now that's stupid,
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  you know, but fantasy is getting hit hard. All those fantasy players out there,
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  they're like, oh, I don't even the depth of how
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  all this affects all of us. So how does that work? Like, if they get
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  injured in real life and they're not able to play, they can't play on your
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  fantasy roster, right? And see, if you're in a 10-person league and I
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  got to have 3— everyone's got to have 3 quarterbacks in my league, right?
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  That's not too many people left over. And right, of course, other people are getting
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  messed up, not to mention running backs and wide receivers getting hurt.
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  And now you got the water boy playing, right? Yes, I know. It's just
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  fantasy. These people, I don't want them to get hurt. But, uh,
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  it's just you really see it more in fantasy, like, oh wow, there's a lot
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  of people hurt here, man. Well, I think that brings up a good question.
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  With so many injuries happening now,
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  do you think it's abnormal this year, or is it just
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  typical? It's kind of a high showcase, dude.
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  Everyone's bigger, stronger, faster, hit just
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  explosive hits. And I don't know, maybe What
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  they're doing to prep themselves. Of course, that, that's a
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  big question because the NFL has changed their preseason
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  where there's not getting hit and worked as hard. I don't
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  know if they're ready for let's go these first 2 or 3 games.
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  That's right. That's a guess. I don't know.
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  You're just unlucky, dude. You're unlucky. You got hit hard. I think
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  there might be some correlation to that. You know,
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  the NFL, and this could be another podcast, really has
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  a huge injury problem and
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  lawsuit problem that's behind the scenes. So there's so many
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  former players that sue the NFL for
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  all kinds of things, mostly for brain injury afterwards.
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  You know, they get diagnosed with the,
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  you know, with some type of brain injury from all the hits,
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  or they wind up with other injuries that kind of
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  leave them, let's just say, not able to work in a
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  post-career NFL. So I don't
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  know if this is true, podcast people, but at one point, I think
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  the NFL had at least 800 open lawsuits
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  just on head injuries. Did you hear that number?
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  800. But you know what, dude?
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  You're playing football. You're— that should not be a surprise.
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  And a lot of these guys, like, you know, Tua from
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  the Dolphins, and now he's been, I can't remember what team he's playing for,
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  backup for. That dude got hit hard and kept playing. You're like,
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  dude. But you know, that's who they are. That's what they want. They, you know,
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  it's just crazy where you're like, okay, I don't
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  know. It's a weird line. Now, for me, would you still—
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  all the sports and stuff you do— still ride bikes knowing you get
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  hurt and do all that? Would you have done it still or would you have
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  not done it? I said I would. I did. I should have asked you.
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  What? Yes, I wouldn't change a thing.
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  Well, one, I, I didn't know any better. So you could have
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  these, like, weird arguments inside your own head.
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  You know, if I would just would have rehabbed better. Well, first of all,
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  you didn't have YouTube, you didn't have the internet,
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  there was no searching best practice
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  for healing a hurt knee. You went off
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  of what your body told you and what the doctor told you.
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  That was it. That's all you had. And I think
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  that's just when you kind of look around, you know, I'm playing I
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  wanted to play baseball, but it was a highly competitive
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  big school. A lot of players
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  that I played with, their families are in baseball. They played pro.
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  They had brothers that played pro baseball. They had dads who were managers
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  in the MLB. So I'm playing with some pretty top-tier
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  kids. And yeah, if you can't
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  stay injury-free, you're just not playing. You play in that level
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  of competitive environment. And so you have to take your lumps.
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  That's all. Everyone has to hang up the cleats, Jason,
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  at some point. Oh, they do. Everyone hangs them up. And some
• 23:27
  people go out as a winner and some people go out with busted
• 23:30
  up knees. Well, you want to be able to walk and do that,
• 23:34
  right? Right. You know, especially later on in life as
• 23:37
  we're getting onto, I want to still do some stuff. Yeah.
• 23:40
  Yeah. Well, I learned a lot, you know, I had, I learned
• 23:44
  humility. It's like sometimes your body just doesn't do what
• 23:48
  you want it to do and it takes time to heal.
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  And then being the team, going from a player to a team manager where
• 23:55
  the kids kind of, you know, some were kind of uncool,
• 23:58
  you know, and I had to kind of suck that up. Like, you know,
• 24:02
  they're like, here, take my stuff, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
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  And so kids that I once
• 24:09
  respected now are disrespecting me. And so in
• 24:14
  hindsight, the injury made me grow up and face certain
• 24:17
  things and challenges early that made me
• 24:22
  handle things in the future a little bit better because
• 24:25
  I was prepared. I was prepared for people to mistreat
• 24:29
  you because you might be on the other side of the fence. Of whatever the
• 24:33
  issue is. And so I learned a lot. I learned a
• 24:37
  lot through that experience. Through the injuries, you learn a lot.
• 24:40
  Totally. What's your pain tolerance? What can you handle?
• 24:44
  Can you push through? Did you give up too early?
• 24:48
  Could you do a little bit more in rehabbing yourself?
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  Maybe you could be a little bit smarter athlete. I don't
• 24:57
  think that ever worked for me, but anyway. Well, you can always try.
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  Right, right. In some ways I became overly cautious
• 25:06
  as an adult, like, don't ski so fast,
• 25:09
  careful on the bike, you know.
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  That's all right, that's just part of life, but I
• 25:16
  wouldn't change a thing. It's just, it happened the way it happened.
• 25:20
  Yep. I'm still there. He told me don't play tag, don't play soccer,
• 25:24
  don't I'm a PE teacher. What was I doing this morning?
• 25:28
  It was my last run club. I'm tagging, I'm going after these adults and kids.
• 25:32
  Let's get that guy, you know. You're running?
• 25:36
  I am running. Yeah, no brace on, stupid.
• 25:41
  I didn't learn my lesson, but hey, I made it through today.
• 25:45
  All right, today's good. There you go. Get the ice pack, buddy. No, I don't
• 25:49
  need an ice pack at all today. I'm good. So, oh hey. They cheated
• 25:52
  it. Yeah, right. No,
• 25:55
  I think that's a good question. And I think it rolls into
• 26:00
  my observation of the NFL and MLB right now.
• 26:05
  Have we hit the overvaluation of players?
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  That's for another podcast. But do these injuries kind of make
• 26:14
  owners readjust thinking going forward? You know,
• 26:18
  when your $700 million player is
• 26:22
  injured before the World Series coming up here in Ohtani,
• 26:27
  that could be a future problem, right? Good.
• 26:31
  Yeah, overplaying, it's a whole thing. But that's what makes him great. See,
• 26:35
  that's how he wants to play. Right. Right. So we'll
• 26:39
  see. Yeah, all the other quarterbacks, it's like, ooh,
• 26:42
  yeah. Millions and millions of dollars are on the line and some
• 26:47
  teams, their season just tanked. Just got—
• 26:50
  just got— oh yeah, the Jets are like, no.
• 26:54
  Yep. Bears, ooh, not looking good. I don't
• 26:58
  know. Ah yeah, I know Caleb Williams, poor guy.
• 27:01
  He finally started getting it together. Yeah,
• 27:06
  but hey, we'll see. See who's got the grit. But I do have
• 27:09
  to say Patrick Mahomes looked good after— Dude, he's,
• 27:13
  man, it's tough. You know, he's looking good.
• 27:16
  Here's the things you hear, okay? Like, okay,
• 27:20
  you know, he's a total rehab mindset,
• 27:24
  work hard, dig it out. But why he also
• 27:28
  was injured, watching football at home, he's studying.
• 27:32
  He's studying players around the league.
• 27:35
  He's helping the front office recruit players to fill the gaps
• 27:39
  in this year's team. So that's—
• 27:43
  wait, do you live in Chiefs kingdom? I think you do. I do.
• 27:47
  I do. You live in— you have all this insider tech here.
• 27:50
  Yeah. Well, you know, just a little. I mean, he's a high-profile player,
• 27:54
  so these things fall out. I mean, he could have been like, oh, I'm just
• 27:57
  going to shoot a bunch of commercials, which he probably did. But you know,
• 28:00
  and just, you know, be a total diva and show up, or you're behind the
• 28:05
  scenes just working. It's your job. Oh no, you're working.
• 28:08
  Dude's a grinder. Yep. So, and you look good.
• 28:11
  You look sharp for being out for a while. Yeah.
• 28:15
  So there you go. That's a testament to not only the mental
• 28:19
  rehabilitation but physical as well.
• 28:23
  Yeah. Yeah, totally. Well,
• 28:26
  dude, what's your prediction here? Any of these high-profile
• 28:30
  players going to make a back this year?
• 28:33
  Possibly. But, you know, with the NFL, just everyone's
• 28:37
  going to start hitting you. You know, if you have that knee or lower body,
• 28:40
  you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's just tough.
• 28:45
  Well, I could tell teams were targeting Mahomes a little
• 28:48
  bit. Sure. I mean, tackle and— yeah,
• 28:52
  I don't know if people are trying to hurt people necessarily, but no, but they're
• 28:56
  going for him. But they're like, oh, he's running, let's go,
• 28:59
  right? Yeah, he's open. But I think maybe Caleb
• 29:03
  Williams can get back. I think Jayden Daniels is done.
• 29:07
  You can't have an elbow look like that and expect
• 29:11
  to come back that soon. Because like my shoulder surgery,
• 29:15
  why I didn't want to have it done is it's 6 to 9
• 29:18
  months of rehab. Like, you know, you're in a
• 29:22
  laying for like a couple months. And, you know, so yeah, so there's
• 29:26
  just certain injuries that, yeah, sorry, even with modern medicine,
• 29:31
  you may not be coming back, uh, anytime soon.
• 29:36
  But yeah, I know, uh, Jackson Dart,
• 29:40
  I think he's done. Um, yeah,
• 29:44
  I think that's the way it goes, man. I think all those teams that got
• 29:47
  hurt, she's It's tough. It's a hard road and they're not going
• 29:51
  to be the same and it's going to be hard. Yeah. Well, what it comes
• 29:54
  down to is who's going to step up?
• 29:57
  Who are the new stories? Who are the new— it's
• 30:01
  like Tom Brady. He got a shot. That's true.
• 30:05
  Who was it that went out? Someone famous. I should know this.
• 30:09
  But the point is, if Tom— if the
• 30:13
  other quarterback wouldn't have got injured, I don't know if we would have really ever
• 30:17
  seen— Drew Bledsoe. Yes. High profile. My childhood.
• 30:21
  There you go. From my teens. He had big shoes to fill up
• 30:25
  at, you know, he took full advantage of that opportunity,
• 30:28
  never looked back. So, so that's what I'm looking at.
• 30:32
  So we should talk about that.
• 30:35
  Should you tell me the Browns are going to have— Shadur is going to step
• 30:39
  up? Yes. Just watch. I don't know. They're on the revolving door.
• 30:43
  Oh, that's such a dumpster fire. Sorry, Browns people, if you're listening.
• 30:48
  What a dumpster fire. What? Yeah.
• 30:51
  Oh, well, dude, guess what? What?
• 30:54
  Hey, my knees hurt from this conversation
• 30:59
  though. Yeah. Yep. Now it's a good episode. Thank you.
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