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You May Be Next - with David Clews · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello.
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Speaker 2: I'm Charles Mallett and I have with me today David
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Speaker 2: Clues of Unity News Network.
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Speaker 1: David, thanks very much for joining me. Welcome to UK. Colin.
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Speaker 2: Now, you've been under a sort of sustained attack from
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Speaker 2: mainstream media for some time now, and this goes back
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Speaker 2: to the violence that started in the wake really of
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Speaker 2: the Southport killings recently. Will you just describe, I suppose
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Speaker 2: chronologically perhaps what exactly happened and why you think it did.
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Speaker 3: Happen in terms of to me.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, yes, so sorry, good question. No, I think
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Speaker 1: well I.
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Speaker 4: Can actually start whether and then well I'll weave myself
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Speaker 4: into it. So geez, everything's up learn No, Charles, that
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Speaker 4: would have been two weeks last Monday, if that's if
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Speaker 4: my thinking's correct on it. So today is Saturday, saw
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Speaker 4: Monday of this week. It was two weeks before that
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Speaker 4: you had the incident or the incident, the horrific murders
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Speaker 4: that took place in Southport, three young girls brutally butchered.
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Speaker 4: What you then had was on the Tuesday Starmer went
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Speaker 4: up to Southport and he got heckled. You could clearly
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Speaker 4: see there was a lot of anger. You could see
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Speaker 4: that things were changing. And again this is on the
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Speaker 4: back of more big events. You had the hair Hills riots,
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Speaker 4: you had the Manchester Airport incident as well. Like this
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Speaker 4: didn't all just happen in a vacuum. There had been
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Speaker 4: a number of factors that had been building up to this,
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Speaker 4: and of course decades of perception of the media lying,
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Speaker 4: of the government lying. And then on the Wednesday night,
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Speaker 4: basically the whole thing erupted. And what happened was people
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Speaker 4: in Southport went to a local mosque. Now what I
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Speaker 4: had said on the show, and again it's all documented.
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Speaker 4: I said, well, why why are people out protesting outside
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Speaker 4: a mosque? I said, what's happened is a name has
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Speaker 4: been put out and I don't need to repeat the name,
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Speaker 4: but I said, clearly this name is false, and clearly
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Speaker 4: this has been put out to serve a specific purpose,
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Speaker 4: which was, you know, to antagg and I was already
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Speaker 4: you know, fraught relations with with with with the with
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Speaker 4: the Muslim community in Britain. And that's that's what I
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Speaker 4: said at the time that this guy was named, and
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Speaker 4: I thought it was wrong and I didn't think that
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Speaker 4: was him. That wasn't the information I had heard, so
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Speaker 4: any that was the Wednesday, and then it really all
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Speaker 4: started kicking off.
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Speaker 3: On the Friday.
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Speaker 4: I did a show and I had a guest on
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Speaker 4: Mark call it and we both said that we wouldn't
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Speaker 4: advise anybody to go out on the Saturday, that the
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Speaker 4: police will be out, the police will be looking to
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Speaker 4: provoke you, far left agitators will be out looking to
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Speaker 4: provoke you, and that you should stay at home.
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Speaker 3: And that was on the Saturday. And then obviously that.
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Speaker 4: It kept rumbling on for a few more days and
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Speaker 4: I was doing shows, I was covering what was going
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Speaker 4: on at night. And then on the Wednesday of last week,
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Speaker 4: you had the big list of names that went out
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Speaker 4: of the huge protests that were going to take place,
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Speaker 4: which turns out.
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Speaker 3: Was a hoax.
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Speaker 4: Nick Lows of Hope not he said it was a
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Speaker 4: hoax that that was put out that information. The left
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Speaker 4: or the establishment then mobilized the Socialist Workers Party, et cetera,
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Speaker 4: and they went out numbers. And then really since that Wednesday,
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Speaker 4: there's not been anything.
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Speaker 3: It's all abated.
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Speaker 4: Then you've had the know, the plethora of cases against
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Speaker 4: people and the attacks, and then I have found myself,
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Speaker 4: you know, caught up in this world when that I
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Speaker 4: fan the flames of the riots, and that I was
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Speaker 4: responsible because I named the individual, when I clearly named
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Speaker 4: the individual in the context of it, of the individual
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Speaker 4: not being responsible, I mean again like that. Let me
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Speaker 4: give you an example of this. This is like a
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Speaker 4: newsreader talking about a murder case and he said the
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Speaker 4: lady's husband said the reason he beat her to death
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Speaker 4: was she was because she deserved it. That's like the
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Speaker 4: press then saying reporting the next day newscaster says women
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Speaker 4: beat to death because she deserved it, like he.
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Speaker 3: Was quoting what.
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Speaker 4: So what what has happened is the state of the
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Speaker 4: British regime, who obviously don't like me, They don't like
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Speaker 4: what we do at n they don't like the work
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Speaker 4: I've been doing, the people that they say I associate with,
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Speaker 4: the people that I say I work with, and they've
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Speaker 4: used this as an opportunity in the confusion because there
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Speaker 4: is a fog of war to drag me into this
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Speaker 4: and this this is this is very nefarious and it's
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Speaker 4: it's very wrong. And as I say to everyone, is
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Speaker 4: this could happen to anybody. The next type anything like
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Speaker 4: this happens, and you look at what they've done over
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Speaker 4: the last few years, and specifically in relations will turn
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Speaker 4: to media Richard D. Hall and the way that they've
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Speaker 4: they've gone after him, They've they are they're systematically going
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Speaker 4: after everyone. Charles and UK Colum will be next, Iconic
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Speaker 4: will be after that everyone. And unless you're a card
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Speaker 4: carrying member of the National Union of Journalists, unless you're
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Speaker 4: fully approved and fully vetted by Offcom, they will not
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Speaker 4: let alternative media broadcast.
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Speaker 3: If we keep going at the street.
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Speaker 1: I think this is it.
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Speaker 2: This is you know, absolutely the critical issue is that
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Speaker 2: we have to consider this. I mean, obviously the circumstances
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Speaker 2: that you have had unfold before you are terrible, unfounded,
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Speaker 2: and all the rest of it obviously very purposeful. But
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Speaker 2: exactly as you say, it could happen to anyone. And
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Speaker 2: actually what we've seen very much is that it doesn't
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Speaker 2: to be caught up in it or captured by this.
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Speaker 2: You don't in fact need to be saying things in
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Speaker 2: the public domain from a sort of journalistic point of view.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen many people simply commentating on social
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Speaker 2: media with no necessarily sort of journalistic background. So as
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Speaker 2: you say, anybody could be a target, and I think
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Speaker 2: that's the point that we want to get out here.
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Speaker 2: What do you see as being the sort of the
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Speaker 2: end state for the media that are pushing this, for
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Speaker 2: the state that appear to be controlling the media in
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Speaker 2: pushing this. Where do you think they want to take
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Speaker 2: this with regard to censorship in particular.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, in an ideal world, they would shut
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Speaker 4: down social media entirely and you would just be stuck
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Speaker 4: at home watching the BBC or ITV or Sky and
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Speaker 4: you'd be watching their approved titles. They simply do not
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Speaker 4: want people having alternative sources of information because if they do,
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Speaker 4: people can then expose their scams and they can expose
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Speaker 4: their lives. And we all have a track record over COVID,
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Speaker 4: we have a track record over the war in Ukraine,
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Speaker 4: We've got a track record over the conflict in Israeli Gaza.
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Speaker 3: And they clearly.
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Speaker 4: Don't like us because we provided nuanced and balanced view.
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Speaker 4: It's like they say they're conspiracy theorist, they're brainwashed. They say,
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Speaker 4: we're the ones that actually have a proper look at
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Speaker 4: the situation and try and say look, in every conflict,
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Speaker 4: there's one side, there's another side, and there's other people
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Speaker 4: and this is some of the and they just they
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Speaker 4: hate that because we're fundamentally doing and a UK column
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Speaker 4: what the mainstream media used to do fifteen twenty years ago.
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Speaker 4: And I often talk about this, like you watched the
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Speaker 4: media from twenty years ago. People like Tommy Robinson, Paul Golding,
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Speaker 4: whatever you think of them, used to get on Newsnight.
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Speaker 4: They used to get on Piers Morgan. They was Paul
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Speaker 4: Golding was on the Andrew Neale Show. You imagine the
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Speaker 4: furor if someone who was even considered mildly far right
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Speaker 4: was allowed on a daytime TV show. The melt that
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Speaker 4: the conversation has moved so that anybody who is basically
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Speaker 4: not in that And I use these terms because they're simplistic,
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Speaker 4: the center left, metropolitan elite bubble, you're not allowed a voice,
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Speaker 4: and it primarily extends to those on the right, but
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Speaker 4: also extends to those on the left as well, as
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Speaker 4: you saw with the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn, with the
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Speaker 4: with the attacks on certain aspects of the left and
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Speaker 4: the Labor Party. But they are still a bit of
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Speaker 4: a protected category, whereas it's open season on us.
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Speaker 1: It does, it does absolutely look that way.
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Speaker 2: It is interesting because I do you know, I would
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Speaker 2: agree with you that on the face of it, it
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Speaker 2: seems that to wipe out social media, to get rid
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Speaker 2: of the the you know, the what's become a different
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Speaker 2: tier of media. Like you say, people who are reporting
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Speaker 2: like you are at unn like Yuk colum Art to
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Speaker 2: to unpick what is actually happening and the rest of it.
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Speaker 2: But but you see, of course, in being able to
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Speaker 2: demonize you, for example, and throw a millstone around your neck,
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Speaker 2: what the press are able to do is hold up
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Speaker 2: these people as exemplar to keep the population in check.
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Speaker 2: And of course, so one thing that I think is
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Speaker 2: very significant in this is the way that the Online
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Speaker 2: Safety Act in particular is taking effect. And we see
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Speaker 2: that section one seventy nine and section one eighty which
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Speaker 2: are particularly putting out the section one sevent nine being
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Speaker 2: to put out content that you know is false and
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Speaker 2: in effect, this is sort of you know, trial by media.
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Speaker 2: This is what the menstream media is sort of suggesting
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Speaker 2: that you've done, as you say, totally failing to pick
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Speaker 2: up on the as I say.
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Speaker 4: Like, if I'm not sure, if it's something I would
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Speaker 4: always caveat that and say, look, I don't know, I said,
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Speaker 4: I do caveat.
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Speaker 3: Because I'm honest with my followers.
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Speaker 4: And the thing is, again, Charles, I've had loads of
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Speaker 4: people email me and they say, I don't recognize who
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Speaker 4: this person is that the media are talking about. They say,
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Speaker 4: I've been watching you for years and we don't recogn
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Speaker 4: don't know this who is this person they're making you
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Speaker 4: out to be. I if I don't know the answer
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Speaker 4: to something like take take the Lucy let Be trial, Charles.
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Speaker 4: That's now coming out, and I know the UK column
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Speaker 4: was on this, I was, I am still doubtful about
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Speaker 4: Lucy let Bee. I have my issues and people at
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Speaker 4: the time, my audience was crucifying me because I was.
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Speaker 3: Actually saying that.
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Speaker 4: I said, I'm a bit skeptical of her. But what
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Speaker 4: I did say was, look, there is clearly trial by
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Speaker 4: media with Lucy let Be. There is clearly discrepancies in
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Speaker 4: the case that has been put forward by the CPS,
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Speaker 4: and from what I understand, it looked like the only
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Speaker 4: option available that was the right one was a retrial.
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Speaker 4: Whereas they the media hangar, you know, flogger this guilt
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Speaker 4: look at which remember the headlines, and they they accuse
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Speaker 4: you of everything that they are Whereas what I said
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Speaker 4: was I I and as I said, I am not
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Speaker 4: part of the I Lucy let Bey is innocent, and
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Speaker 4: that annoys a lot of my followers. I mean, I
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Speaker 4: think there is a chance that she is innocent. But
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Speaker 4: that is another one that's really going to go blow
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Speaker 4: up in the face of the CPS and the mainstream media,
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Speaker 4: because the mainstream media crucified Lucy let Be as did
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Speaker 4: the CPS, and if they've admitted there was flaws in
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Speaker 4: the evidence against her. And the problem we have, Charles,
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Speaker 4: is we are now dealing with people who are amateurish
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Speaker 4: and exceptionally unintelligent.
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Speaker 3: They don't see the bigger picture.
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Speaker 4: And as I've said, the Home Office, the whole office
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Speaker 4: that put up a graphic they said a thousand people
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Speaker 4: have been arrested. They put in their comments these criminals, etc.
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Speaker 3: Etc.
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Speaker 4: You are innocent until prove and guilty. These people are
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Speaker 4: not criminals. You're only a criminals if you admit your
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Speaker 4: guilt in a court, which sadly of people are doing
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Speaker 4: under severe dress and pressure, or a jury or or
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Speaker 4: a judge finds you guilty. Yet they were labeling people
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Speaker 4: arrested as criminals, which is maybe hundreds of years of
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Speaker 4: legal tradition thrown out, and likewise, the separation between the press,
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Speaker 4: the separation between the state and the judiciary, these checks
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Speaker 4: and balances that are there for a reason have all
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Speaker 4: been eroded basically since March twenty twenty. But it's accelerating now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, and I think to you know, the analogy
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Speaker 2: with with the Lucy letpak so, I think is a
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Speaker 2: very good point to make because there's and it totally
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Speaker 2: does exactly what E's saingly, which is a failure to
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Speaker 2: address any sort of nuance to say, to say that
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Speaker 2: the conviction might not be safe is not to say
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Speaker 2: that she's innocent, and yet people can't understand that. And
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Speaker 2: in the same way, you know what we've just talked
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Speaker 2: about that with the online safetye for example, for a
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Speaker 2: mainstream publication to put out something that they now to
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Speaker 2: be false with the intent of cause harm, they may
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Speaker 2: not be liable for committing an offense because Section eighty
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Speaker 2: specifically exists them from it.
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Speaker 4: They are not held to the same rules and standards
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Speaker 4: that we are. It's this two tier system that exists
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Speaker 4: basically everywhere. It is clearly one rule for them. And
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Speaker 4: then again, the other example is look at the media
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Speaker 4: the way they behave around wars.
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Speaker 3: They push what look like putin.
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Speaker 4: The madman, the this lunatic has lost his mind, et cetera.
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Speaker 4: You and I we we were clearly pointing out that
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Speaker 4: this has been an once since you know what, the
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Speaker 4: nineteen thirties, and then follow the Soviet Union, then the
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Speaker 4: twenty fourteen my Dan Revolution, the ongoing content any of
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Speaker 4: us putin apologists and you know, we're just saying there's
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Speaker 4: a bit of nuanced here and it's not black and white.
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Speaker 4: And the thing, as you say, they're allowed to push
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Speaker 4: that information that then leads people to.
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Speaker 3: To extreme war and is frightening.
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Speaker 1: It is, It absolutely is.
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Speaker 2: And I think the other aspect to it, specifically where
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Speaker 2: the media concerned, I mean it's very similar with the state,
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Speaker 2: is the feeling that there's really no recourse. You know,
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Speaker 2: you've now had a number of mainstream publications put out
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Speaker 2: information about you that either should not have been put
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Speaker 2: in the public domain or I think I'm right saying
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Speaker 2: it is wholly inaccurate.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, do you feel like you have any way
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Speaker 1: well deal with that?
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Speaker 4: I think I think there is a number of places.
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Speaker 4: I think I think they even even for their lives.
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Speaker 4: They crossed the line naming a family member specifying the
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Speaker 4: age of my child online. I've actually got two children,
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Speaker 4: but I won't give the other age. But to do
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Speaker 4: that was was was a breach even for them. It's
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Speaker 4: a clear breach of EPISOD codes, clear breach of right
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Speaker 4: to privacy and writes Act to ninety eight Data Protection
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Speaker 4: at twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 3: So I think there is some legal recourse.
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Speaker 4: I'm also looking into it as well as I say, Look,
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Speaker 4: the media can say what they want about me, they
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Speaker 4: can lie about me. I'm a very opinionated person and
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Speaker 4: that is what it is. But what they are actually
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Speaker 4: doing is misrepresenting my words to try and criminalize what
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Speaker 4: I have done, which is again is a step in the director.
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Speaker 4: It is a step in a completely different direction because
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Speaker 4: I have not engaged in any criminality here. Yet they
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Speaker 4: are alluding to me engaging in criminality. And that's where
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Speaker 4: when we get into the cases of what's happened to
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Speaker 4: people who are currently being jailed being put away for
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Speaker 4: tweets for social media posts which look are quite spicy.
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to deny that the stuff's spicy, but
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Speaker 4: it is not criminal. And the problem with this Race
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Speaker 4: Relations Act of nineteen eighty six, and that's what it's
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Speaker 4: based on, is did the individual have the intention to
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Speaker 4: stir up racial hatred? And I'm sure you're to be
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Speaker 4: aware of this Amelia case where he was the judge
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Speaker 4: clearly said that no criminality has taken place, but the
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Speaker 4: jury has to decide whether he had the intention to
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Speaker 4: stir up So now now they can say as well,
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Speaker 4: and that is pure thought crime. Did we do we
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Speaker 4: think this person was intending to stir up racial hatred?
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Speaker 4: And this what really bugs me the most is ware
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Speaker 4: are the lawyers. Where are all the good the people
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Speaker 4: that believe they're they're silent, Just like during COVID, all
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Speaker 4: the surgeons, all the doctors who didn't speak out on
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Speaker 4: what was going on. When they removed the indemnity from
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Speaker 4: the vaccine manufacturers, which we pointed out was unprecedented, they
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Speaker 4: said there was no risks to these vaccines. We clearly
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Speaker 4: pointed out that if you take a paracetamol, there is
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Speaker 4: a risk and it states that on the label. So
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Speaker 4: the medical profession breached the hypocratical the legal profession.
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Speaker 3: I just I don't know, I don't know.
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Speaker 4: Why so many people are just well, maybe they see
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Speaker 4: the punishment. People know the punishment if you go off
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Speaker 4: the reservation and you start being a whistleblower.
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Speaker 3: But we need to see this is the other things
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Speaker 3: as well, Charles.
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Speaker 4: We need reputable people to start speaking out. We need
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Speaker 4: people who are doctors, professors, lawyers, people of standing who
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Speaker 4: are remaining silent because they need to stand up for
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Speaker 4: what is right and realize they will be targeted next
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Speaker 4: that who the state is going to come after will
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Speaker 4: keep shrinking and shrinking until it's it's your then.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's such a strong message
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Speaker 2: of really important one that people do absolutely need to
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Speaker 2: speak out. And like you said, everybody feeling this acknowledging
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Speaker 2: this needs to speak out, regardless of their positional profession,
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Speaker 2: but as you say, specifically people who are in more
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Speaker 2: prominent positions, who are in the public and I should
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Speaker 2: absolutely be speaking about it.
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Speaker 4: Of course, the horror stating that you are innocent until
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Speaker 4: prove and guilty, the horror that people should not be
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Speaker 4: tried by the media, the horror that the state does
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Speaker 4: not have the right to go around and compromise people
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Speaker 4: getting a free I mean, this is all this is
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Speaker 4: basic stuff that I as a layman, know about that
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Speaker 4: these are clear breaches of the law that you you
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Speaker 4: the state should go out of its way to make
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Speaker 4: sure everybody, regardless of the crime, has a three and
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Speaker 4: fair trial. And another example is you had West Streeting
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Speaker 4: the health secretary. He came out the other week and said, well,
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Speaker 4: if people are racist, they shouldn't be treated on the
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Speaker 4: NH Yes, every single doctor and nurse was doctor sorry,
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Speaker 4: should have come out and said that is a breach
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Speaker 4: of the hypocratical oath. You have to treat everybody if
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Speaker 4: they are sick or ill, regardless of their So what
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Speaker 4: do they start doing. Do they start saying, well, we're
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Speaker 4: not going to treat this guy because of.
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Speaker 3: Who is that's the rule. You can't break these rules.
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Speaker 4: Because once you go down that path, when does it
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Speaker 4: end that you don't treat people in the hospital because
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Speaker 4: you don't like their political views, you don't treat them
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Speaker 4: because they're on vaccine. I mean, all these things that
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Speaker 4: were took hundreds of years to get into place, born
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Speaker 4: out of the Enlightenment, over the last five years have
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Speaker 4: just been written asunder they have.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: It's most obviously saying I think in the medical profession,
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Speaker 2: where they the sense of division has been actually extraordinary
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Speaker 2: over the last few years. But it is seen everywhere
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Speaker 2: in employment, you know, people being given certain positions due
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Speaker 2: to the certainly other factor, which of course you'd have
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with employability. And again I think the
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Speaker 2: other thing, you know, just going back to people speaking
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Speaker 2: out and indeed having people within the sort of commentary
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Speaker 2: sphere who are pillaried and demonized it. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: very interesting now to see such a clear line being
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Speaker 2: drawn between people who are speaking out and are therefore
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Speaker 2: labeled as conspiracy theorists, and then they are seen to
21:29
Speaker 2: be having you know, a certain ideology which makes them
21:32
Speaker 2: on the far right and therefore an extremist. And then
21:36
Speaker 2: and then we're getting very close to suggesting that people
21:40
Speaker 2: just for thinking something are actually terrorists. I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: very very dangerous, but you can plot now a very
21:47
Speaker 2: clear line between you know, point A and terrorism.
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Speaker 4: But so I think all of this is born out
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Speaker 4: of fear, though, Charles, because if they were confident, and
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Speaker 4: they were they were secure about themselves, they could have
22:02
Speaker 4: handled this in a completely different manner. They are clearly panicking.
22:06
Speaker 4: They are clearly rattled. Starmer is totally out.
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Speaker 3: Of his depth.
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Speaker 4: The civil service are totally out of their depth as well.
22:13
Speaker 4: The way they are behaving is like basically this if
22:18
Speaker 4: you if you allowed the student Communist Party or like
22:21
Speaker 4: the student Trotsky Society to run the country, that's that's
22:27
Speaker 4: that's what you've got. And you know, and in terms
22:30
Speaker 4: of people say to me, we'll close, what are your politics?
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Speaker 3: What do you believe?
22:34
Speaker 4: What I would argue is I want to see this
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Speaker 4: country return to, you know, the normality we maybe had
22:40
Speaker 4: forty or fifty years ago, in that the mean position
22:44
Speaker 4: of most European countries. What we are witnessing right now
22:47
Speaker 4: is an aberration in history. These are these are clearly
22:51
Speaker 4: not British values that this government are acting upon, and
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Speaker 4: they are They are basically at war with the.
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Speaker 3: Their own citizens.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, go on.
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Speaker 4: We were told that's what they do in North Korea,
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Speaker 4: that's what they do in China. And see the thing
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Speaker 4: is as well, I'm pointing this out to people about China.
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Speaker 4: In China, people know the rules, they know the score.
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Speaker 4: If you do this, this is what's going to happen
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Speaker 4: to you. The reason they do it is because they say, well,
23:22
Speaker 4: we're China's a what one and a half billion people,
23:25
Speaker 4: we need some form of control. So most people are like, right, fine,
23:29
Speaker 4: nobody knows the rules, oh am, I allowed to say
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Speaker 4: this today, or at least if we knew the rules,
23:35
Speaker 4: it might be a different story. But what they're saying is, well,
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Speaker 4: we're a free nation, this is a democracy.
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Speaker 3: But on the other hand, we're going to behave like
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Speaker 3: a tyranny.
23:43
Speaker 4: Well, can you just admit you're a tyranny then and
23:45
Speaker 4: we'll will act accordingly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's it.
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Speaker 2: Sadly because of the when which it's being conducted, and
23:53
Speaker 2: there's obviously, you know that the ludicrous background to any
23:56
Speaker 2: of these actions of the state, whether it be to
23:59
Speaker 2: shuteople in their homes or to lock them up in
24:01
Speaker 2: prison or you know, whatever it is. Unfortunately, an enormous
24:06
Speaker 2: majority of people will fall for the rhetoric that is
24:09
Speaker 2: supposed to underpin the action. Now, as you say, it
24:14
Speaker 2: seems to have been born of fear, and I think
24:18
Speaker 2: in actual fact that rather than push people back into corners,
24:23
Speaker 2: it will galvanize them and it will strengthen their resolve.
24:27
Speaker 2: And I mean, you know, you have sort of taken
24:29
Speaker 2: something of a hammering on this. How do you feel
24:32
Speaker 2: on that score, both personally but also in the wider sense,
24:35
Speaker 2: how do you think people are going to respond to
24:37
Speaker 2: all this?
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not going to lie on on a personal
24:40
Speaker 4: level that it doesn't it doesn't hit you in certain ways,
24:43
Speaker 4: just to be clearly lied about, to have your family
24:47
Speaker 4: involved that that.
24:49
Speaker 3: Is you know, it's horrible. But again.
24:56
Speaker 4: You have to look at the bigger picture. And it
25:00
Speaker 4: was funny. I was in a conversation with someone. They said, well,
25:02
Speaker 4: why don't you just chuck it, Why don't you just
25:04
Speaker 4: move on? I said, well, I do believe in principles
25:08
Speaker 4: things like free speech, individual liberty, the ability to discuss
25:12
Speaker 4: these things. Even if I was the dictator, the all
25:15
Speaker 4: grow powerful dictator of Britain, I mean, would you be
25:19
Speaker 4: behaving like this, just locking people away and ruining their lives.
25:24
Speaker 4: It is, it's totally counterproductive by the state and the
25:29
Speaker 4: way they're behaving.
25:30
Speaker 3: And the thing is it's not just.
25:32
Speaker 4: On this Charles that laborer are making a massive Look
25:36
Speaker 4: at what they did with the winter fuel payment, look
25:39
Speaker 4: at what they're doing with the train.
25:41
Speaker 3: The trains they.
25:42
Speaker 4: Basically said to as left finally accept your deal, and.
25:48
Speaker 3: All the other unions are now jumping on board.
25:51
Speaker 4: They gave the junior doctors a massive payrise, you've got
25:53
Speaker 4: the asylum cases still costing a fortune, and then you've
25:57
Speaker 4: had that on private schools as well, which halfway through
26:01
Speaker 4: the year, loads of people are turning.
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Speaker 3: Around and they're saying, what's this.
26:07
Speaker 4: Also, they are actively going out of their way to
26:11
Speaker 4: create massive blocks who hate them from many different perspectives,
26:17
Speaker 4: and the only block that they can rely on now
26:21
Speaker 4: is the sort of public sector aristocracy. And there was
26:25
Speaker 4: an interesting graphic out about who votes labor and like
26:28
Speaker 4: forty percent plus of the voter for people earning seventy
26:32
Speaker 4: k plus. These will all be people in very well
26:34
Speaker 4: paid public sector or woke state corporations. But that number
26:42
Speaker 4: of people maybe amounts to what five six million, So
26:46
Speaker 4: you're looking at a stage where labor will see their
26:51
Speaker 4: support continue to plummet from an already low level. Starmar's
26:55
Speaker 4: approval rating will keep going down and within six months
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Speaker 4: going to have a major legitimacy crisis about this government
27:04
Speaker 4: and what are people going to.
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Speaker 3: Turn back to the Tories.
27:08
Speaker 4: The Tories are spent force as well, so the ruling
27:12
Speaker 4: elites of this country have a disaster awaiting them, and
27:16
Speaker 4: do you know what, I could be happier it serves
27:18
Speaker 4: them right. And then you've got all the inter ethnic
27:22
Speaker 4: conflicts that are there potentially going to erupt as well,
27:26
Speaker 4: the mess that they've made of this country over the
27:33
Speaker 4: last thirty years and the money printing, the fiscal irresponsibility.
27:41
Speaker 4: There's going to be a day of reckoning and lead
27:45
Speaker 4: to just wait and see how it all plays out.
27:48
Speaker 2: We will, indeed, and I think we'll probably have to
27:51
Speaker 2: draw to a close there.
27:54
Speaker 1: I mean as a final night.
27:56
Speaker 2: I think to somebody I was speaking to yesterday, I
27:59
Speaker 2: think encapsulated a lot of what we and the audience
28:04
Speaker 2: will be feeling. And he just it wasn't it wasn't
28:06
Speaker 2: said in despair, but he simply said, I just want
28:09
Speaker 2: to be left alone. And I thought that was pretty
28:13
Speaker 2: much bang on. But David Clues, thank you very much
28:16
Speaker 2: indeed for speaking to me. And there will be some
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Speaker 2: notes posted below this at UK column dot org. But
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Speaker 2: do keep a touch David. It's been a real pleasure.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you,