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- Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (00:00) Hello, welcome back to our series of interviews with Feminist Podcaster Collective members, podcasters, talking about why they podcast and learning about their podcasting journey because I think the stories from indie podcasters can be really informative for other folks who are doing this in their home office, in their living room, in their basement, or in their closet, as many people do when they first get started. Not the folks who have the big studios with the producers and all of that. So today I'm joined by Lori Smith. Who hosts Untamed Leader Podcast? Hello, Lori. Lauri Smith (00:32) Hello, Becky. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (00:34) Thank you for joining me. we're gonna start with the question I ask everybody and then we'll go into learning more about your journey. So, first, if you can just tell us why you podcast. Lauri Smith (00:42) I podcast because when I got an intuitive hit to do it and I looked around out there, it was under a different name. And there was nothing exactly like my original intention for the podcast, which it was called soulful speaking at that point. And I believe that most of the world is trapped in this loop where they fear speaking more than death itself. They re-traumatize themselves and suppress in order to survive it. And then they fear it more than death. And then they retra. And there was nothing that was holding it as a sacred art form or a place where we could grow and come home to ourselves. So I wanted to put that out into the world because I wasn't seeing any other podcasts doing exactly that. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (01:31) Nice. So you podcast 'cause there's a hole in the market and you felt like why not fill that? Lauri Smith (01:35) Yeah, a hole in the market, and even bigger than that, a hole in the world. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (01:39) Mm. Lauri Smith (01:40) And the podcast market was the place that I was really called because I love having coffee and deep conversations with people. So that was part of why I went to that specific market. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (01:54) Nice. I love that so many folks, their answer is for some people it's like, I just wanted to hear my voice. And that's cool, right? I felt like I had something I wanted to talk about. There's also many of our members who podcasting is it feels almost like this higher calling. Like there's something there that they really need to explore. So I love that. When did you get that hit that like I need to be doing this? How long ago was that? Lauri Smith (02:18) I started the podcast two years ago. The true hit from me was about 10 months before I started it. I had had someone tell me about 10 years earlier when podcasting was a much different experience. You should have a podcast. And you know, you would have needed to build a studio and have people come to your home to do it at that point. So that was a no. And then I started getting this kind of nudge whisper from within. And I got curious and then I made the podcast art. Once I made the podcast art in Canva and started to write the blurb of what the show would actually be, I was hooked at that point and there was no stopping me because that's kind of how I operate. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (03:05) I love that. Go make because I I remember a similar experience. My first entree into podcasting almost 10 years ago now started with I had a vision of what the art would be. And then once you start to that materializes. So then I actually did the same thing, created something. It's even gotten easier in Canva than it used to be too, where there's just so many templates and things available. But once you start to see it, it starts to feel more real. And then that often unlocks things. And I think it's a good test because if you do that and you aren't feeling inspired, that might also be information, but if you are, that's some good information. Lauri Smith (03:41) Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I did hit a block somewhere around that point when I was trying to distill down what is this show to a very short blurb. And I had a conversation with a friend at that point, and she asked me a bunch of questions and got me recording what would be the trailer. And then she said, you know, get off, get off Zoom right now and go record the trailer. And then that was another bump. of okay, now I've actually used my voice, not just visual, not just typing the words of what it would be. I've used my voice and I've recorded the trailer now. So now we're we're really in this thing. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (04:21) I think that's also just a really great tip for people for folks who are at that. I think I want to do this stage, or do I want to do this stage? First of all, show art. So start to visualize what it might look like and see if that does something. And then have someone interview you about what your podcast would be. How naturally does it come? How quickly do you have the answers? What things come up? Record that because there's good juicy stuff there. and I think that's also really great because I think so often people feel like, I think I might want to do this. And then it's like, what's that next step to actually get going? And I think those are two really practical and useful because if you do end up doing it, now you've got some show art. Now you might have something that becomes your trailer, or if nothing else becomes messaging information. So that's beautiful. I love that. Can Lauri Smith (05:06) Yeah. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (05:06) we talk about the start, which you said had a different name? and Lauri Smith (05:10) Yes. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (05:11) that's about three years ago. So you've changed your name. And I had this conversation with another another member, and I think. I'm not sure you're really podcasting if you don't change your name every two or three years. it feels like that just is what happens, right? Because we evolve, we grow, we realize the show is something different. But what when you started it the first time, what was it about soulful speaking that felt right? And then maybe you can explain a little bit on the journey and where it started to feel wrong. Lauri Smith (05:33) Yeah. I had done a marketing program where it was by Conscious Marketer. It was called the Soul Syndicate. And I stumbled into a one-on-one. and he mentioned things that kind of help you to stop being the world's best kept secret and start to be known. One of which was a book, which I already had at that point, a podcast. And then he said, you know. People get known for two words. What would your two words be? And immediately what popped into my head was soulful speaking. It was in the subtitle of my book. It was a phrase that a friend gifted me with. He read the book and did a round of editing for it. And he said, I want to give you a phrase because you're saying a whole bunch of words to try to capture what you're saying is soulful speaking or speaking soulfully. And when I thought about starting a podcast, I thought, well, what can I talk about, for years with every single person? What am I like banging the table and saying to people? It is not a one charisma is not size, not one size fits all. It's not this traumatizing. So soulful speaking was where it started and that name kind of popped into my head as if I'm focusing on two words, which I've now kind of let go of I haven't let go of the two words, but I've let go of the cookie cutter advice of every single person whoever stops being a best kept secret and starts getting known has to have only two words. Those are two of my words. They're not the only two words anymore. And all of the conversation, not all of them, in the first season season, there were a lot of conversations about. People who had some healing that had to do with speaking. So what was your journey to becoming the soulful speaker that you are today? What's your first speaking experience? How did you find your voice along the way? And I really fell in love with those very quickly. I also did some solo episodes where I was something would come up in a class or it would come up three times in my life, and I would go, okay, that's a sign to sit down and record. an episode where I'm talking to all of the people like them out in the world who aren't already in my world. And I did a few coaching episodes or mixed episodes where somebody would speak and I would coach them on their speaking in the soulful way that I do it. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (08:05) Nice. And it worked, it sounds like, at least through season one, that was feeling aligned, soulful speaking. It was your two words, like it just feels right. At what point did it start to feel I'm not sure if this is still it, or is it the same, but it just untamed like what just give us the background. Why the name changed? What was that about? Lauri Smith (08:23) Yeah. Yeah. even though it was called soulful speaking, I was still, it was still for people who would respond to any number of words like leader, emerging leader, change maker, disruptor, loving rebel, heart-centered disruptor, you know, people who have a feeling from within that there is something that they're here to contribute or to change in the world. It was still for them. Even though it was only focusing on the speaking part of their journey. And in 2025, so I did two seasons of it, longer seasons than I do now. In 2025, I had the greatest leadership challenge of my own life. And part of what happened during that process is I noticed myself walking on eggshells around someone in my world. We were part of an organization together. And I didn't realize I was doing it at first until the big explosion that we were all trying to avoid came. And Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (09:30) Mm. Lauri Smith (09:32) we made it through that. And I've been told many times, and this was one of them, that I have an ability in the midst of chaos to start to get more clear in the middle of the chaos on like what needs to happen in order to get. To the better place that we're going in the midst of the disruption. And when that was over, and we were in the beginning of the better, I heard the phrase untamed leader in my head. And at first I went, wow, I love the energy of that. And it was kind of like I was talking back to the universe, going, more information required, please. Like, what is this? Is am I changing the name of my business? Am I changing my offerings? What am I doing? And I stayed with my intuition instead of going to try to answer it all in my head and just kind of followed the breadcrumbs. And the second thing that came in was, I niched down too far. I listened to people saying you have to niche down. So I niched onto speaking, and everything was not as good as it could have been because of that. And I went, it's expanding the podcast, where Untamed Leader is now the title of the podcast. And speaking is one of three key threads of untamed leadership that we do still weave into the conversations. My three sacred threads of untamed leadership are: you have to have a vision or a feeling for something to be different or better. What is the change? We need to be able to creatively move through the world toward that vision, one decision, one choice at a time. And then we do also need to be able to speak that vision in a way that has other people join us on the journey to creating that newer, better thing. So you can tell the speaking part is really important. It's one of three threads. And I felt Boxed in and held back, and I wasn't fully expressing by niching down so far. And it was time to expand back into okay, this is for the sake of the change in the world and the bigger work, because I'm speaking for and to those people who are doing something that's bigger than them. It's a calling of some kind. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (12:04) Was the idea of changing it obviously it felt inspired and you were excited about it, but was there any hesitation around changing the name? Was there any f nervousness or anything about cause I think sometimes we start to feel like I've picked this name, I'm just becoming known for that. If I get rid of it, people won't know or they're gonna get confused, or does that dilute my message or any of those things? Did any of that come up for you? Lauri Smith (12:26) I totally had that. And I also had it come up in the people around me that I would tell, I'm thinking about changing the name. And one of the things that I learned along the way is it podcasting, it doesn't really work the same as say if I did change the name of my company and move the website. There's some energetic escrow and some SEO built up in the world where there might be a cost. To changing that, even though if my intuition said to do it, I would do it. I started looking and I was like, you just change the name, but the old links that are still out there just redirect to the new name. It's more search based on episode titles rather than the title of your podcast. So it really felt like, this is an expansion. What I've already built. Is going to follow me to the new name if it's aligned for people. If they're really like, no, I'm not a leader, I just wanted some speaking tips, they're not gonna follow it to the new. So I did have a little bit of hesitation around it. And sometimes when people in my world start to say, Well, aren't you worried you're gonna lose everything you've built? And they're resisting what I feel called to do, it actually makes me argue back stronger. Like, Don't tell me what I can't do. There was a guy in the TV show Lost who used to scream that, and he was one of my favorite characters. And I have a little bit of that. It's sort of like the argument against it. If I really feel strongly, I will go find the reasoning to follow what feels right for me. And it wasn't instantaneous. I did have to sit with it for a bit. I finished out whatever the second season. I let it run. All the way through under the old name. And then immediately after it ended, I released the episode that said, Hey, I'm gonna take a little break. And we're changing the name. And it's an expanded focus, soulful speaking will still be a part of it. And Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (14:29) Mm-hmm. Lauri Smith (14:29) then took a break and then came back about a month later with the third season because I was so excited to go into Untamed Leader, it wasn't a very long break. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (14:40) Yeah, that's well, and the excitement is probably a great sign, right? That you know at least energetically for you, it's the right move with that change, which has been a year now, is that right? Lauri Smith (14:51) Almost. It was wow, I cannot Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (14:53) So. Lauri Smith (14:53) believe that. It was early this year. So I've it's I've had three seasons in about two years. so that was about ten months ago or something like that. Yeah. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (15:03) Okay. And what has that been, what's that been like for you with the new name? Is it feeling right? What has changed? What has opened up because of that? Lauri Smith (15:13) Yeah, it is still feeling really right, really good. And some of the signs that happened out in the world, I have I have guests that are recording for the fifth season already. And I might very soon have people on a waiting list. I also did pare down my first episode was my first season was 22 regular episodes and 22 mini sodes. Now I'm doing a little bit more like a like a Netflix series where it's 11 to 13 episodes, and I only release release a mini sode if something comes along and I'm like, this is short, and I absolutely need to record it rather than telling myself I have to release something on this crazy schedule. That's working better. And I have more downloads per week. Like it took a bit of a jump when the name changed. And the people interested in being on the show seemed to jump. That could just be from it being the third season. And it could be that there was a little bit of a hmm, there's a frequency to that. And the way I operate, if it's right for me at the right time, that's how things tend to work for me. Whereas if I'm sticking with something too long or doing it because I've let myself listen to the shoulds out there and don't realize it, I usually become a magnet that's turned backwards, repelling everything in my path. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (16:45) Mm-hmm. But it sounds like there hasn't been any regret. Lauri Smith (16:49) No, not at all. Not at all. Yeah. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (16:50) Not at all. That's great. That's always a good sign. Excellent. And so, okay, that's the name piece, which I think is an important part of the conversation. But I'd love to just hear more generally about yourself with podcasting. Going back to the beginning versus now, what has evolved or changed in your relationship with podcasting? Your thoughts about what podcasting should be, needs to be? Like how have you have you loosened up on any of your own expectations? Have you gotten more s rigid around certain things. Like what has changed in your process or in your relationship with Lauri Smith (17:25) Yeah. I think as I often do this from the 22 episodes and 22 mini sodes, I was excited in the beginning and there was also a little bit of an old working too hard. And some of my top values are authenticity, creativity, and courage. So the authenticity I really don't edit many of my episodes. I cut off the dead space at the beginning, I cut off the dead space at the end, and I release the conversation. I've simplified what's going on in my process. Like I used to compare the chapter markers that Buzz Sprout would come up with with other one and like listen to the whole thing, looking for the perfect chapter mark, hours of work per episode. Now I just I run it through a system that I have. I don't use the one that Buzz Sprout comes up with. I use the one that that Claude comes up with. And I just release it. I'm trying to think of what else, like simplify, simplify, simplify so that the bridge of the authenticity and the creativity, I'm really writing that line. Occasionally I'll edit an episode in a fun way, like there was an There was a conversation I had with someone that went 55 minutes. And I was really trying to be around 40, 35 to 45. And we had a whole conversation that I thought, if I pulled that out, that could be a 10-minute mini sode on its own, which was a creative decision. And it was relatively simple and easy. One of the things that I have I don't know if tightened up is exactly the right word. someone said to me, I really appreciate the care you take with vetting your guests. I really want to make sure that the guests are aligned with untamed leadership, that they're not seeing the word leadership and they're like somebody who's working for a corporate organization. Not that I haven't had any corporate people, but there's a way in which they are untamed. They are. not following the insidious shoulds that run rampant in our culture. And that it'll that we click and that it's aligned if there's a theme emerging for a certain season, that we're aligned for that. So it's a this season and not next season. And there are a few times that I felt like I misstepped a little bit or When I met with someone and did a pre-interview, it felt amazing. And then that didn't feel like who showed up on the day. they they felt a little like they were there for what they could get rather than what they could give. And I believe podcasting is a win win win for everyone. If we show up from the place of I have something I care about, you're a host with a show. I'm coming on your show. And I'm getting to share what I'm passionate about. And what's happening is I'm being of service to you and your listeners when I appear on your show. And if people then seek me out to see what else I'm doing in the world, fantastic. It's not a moment for me to come on and like start the episode with my book Covering Up My Face to kick things out, like, please buy from me, please buy from me. And I had a few missteps along the way where I didn't listen to my gut and I didn't hold it with as much care. So I I do that more now. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (21:08) Yeah, I think that's really important. And I love that that's something you've learned. I think it's the whole process of podcasting is this like learning and improving and you know, iterating and changing and evolving. Like we're constantly learning from what's working and what's not working. And I think the name change is also reflective of that because as you start to learn more about what feels right to you, what works for you, who you want to talk to and about what. That might mean that you change the name. It might mean that you go from not having guests to having guests, or the other way around, or how often you have guests, or the kinds of guests you have. So I think that flexibility is really important. you mentioned too about it sounded like a piece of what you love about podcasting is this win-win-win, right? That it's like this unique sort of situation where everyone involved is sort of getting something from it. The audience, the host, the the guests, everybody is getting something out of the experience. What else about podcasting have you? grown or you started to realize that you particularly enjoy about this medium versus let's say blogging or social media or many of the other ways that we market our businesses. Lauri Smith (22:09) Yeah. I love talking. And I'll say I actually believe that our souls have a native language, not English or French, that there might be one language that we are strongest in talking, writing, the body, dance, music. And I think my top one is verbal. So blogging. I might do it, and chances are if it felt good, it came from me talking about something first. My first book, I talked it to a person who took notes and then handed me portions of what I had said. So I love having deep, intimate, connected conversations with a person that then serve other people. It's following the way I love to operate. I also love that for the listeners, I try to record episodes that, unless I'm doing a teaching-focused one, it can feel like they're sitting at the next table at a cafe listening in on our amazing conversation that's going to all these places and all these topics. And even when I'm talking, it's like you, you, when I'm speaking just to the listener. I want it to feel like I'm whispering in their ear. I've shared something that's just for them. And I if we talked for five hours, I'd probably come up with a zillion more. Those are the first ones that come to mind because I do really love it a lot. And and probably part of what I feel like I'm feeling now is I tried, I tried doing a lot of things that did not fit me. As well. I tried quantity posting on social media where it was like, you need to have a minimum amount. And then a friend of mine put a post on social media, alignment is consistent, and just stopped me in my tracks. And I was like, I'm doing consistency of numbers that is 150% out of alignment. Could not be more out of alignment. I'm like, you know, trying to get blood out of a turnip to create in this other place. versus going and doing what I love. But it's so easy to stop ourselves from I love great conversations and there's a way to use that as marketing for my business. it can't be that easy. Yes, it can actually. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (24:39) Well, that takes me to something else I want to ask, which is like in the beginning, what were some of the things that you were told about podcasting? Like the shoulds, the things that maybe are there things that slowed your start in it that you were like, I don't know if this is right for me because it has to look this way or it's supposed to be this, that maybe you've since learned or like, it's not true. Lauri Smith (24:59) Yeah, I think I got to it later. You know, the person who said in I don't know, 2013, you should have a podcast. It took me longer to get there because I had an impression of what it needed to be. I really did not want to pay others to make it a highly produced thing. And Part of I did a lot of by the time I started doing it. There are a lot of shoulds that I'm still slowly evaluating for myself. I kind of went, I'm gonna do it. somebody said sharing clips from the episode is really what helps people to go to your show. And that was a should that I went, huh? That just went straight to my gut because I That moment of, I was trying to post a minimum amount of stuff that I was creating through writing and visuals every single week. And the I'm gonna start a podcast came at the same moment. And I went, huh? Somebody told me about this thing called Opus Clip a while ago. I'm betting that I can easily create and share those videos. And I love being creative. And it's a little bit like a theater director. And I am a theater director. So I think my slow evaluation and things like listening to what you're bringing to all of us in the Feminist Podcasters Collective and going, which expansion does it feel like it's time for now? If I had done all of that vetting of, you know, what's the right way to market and build my audience? Maybe I would have more followers already than I do. And I still think this slower vetting of, yeah, I hear that should, and I'm I'm not gonna do it. I also made a decision in the beginning to celebrate every download instead of going, my gosh, I'm not Kathy Heller already. I must stop, you know, because I can do this like no, but that's not good enough thing very, very easily. So I just went every time Buzz Sprout sends me some kind of a celebration for downloads or episodes, I'm gonna stop and do a little dance and appreciate what is happening rather than comparing myself to someone else who struck gold immediately and beating myself up because I haven't done that yet. And I was fortunate enough to have a few voices that came in and said, you know, that's great because you're building your early, really dedicated. audience when you approach it that way. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (27:49) Yeah, I love that. I think that's important to celebrate what's right. But the other thing of what you said is that what works for me right now, right? There's so much information out there about podcasting. And we, you know, even inside the collective, I we're having speakers in all the time offering other ideas and best practices, quote unquote, and and all the things that can amount to a lot of shoulds. And there's always, I hope and I wanna even do do better of the reminder of It's like take what works for you now. There's Lauri Smith (28:17) Mm-hmm. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (28:18) no way to do all the things unless you have a big team and most of us don't. So it's what is the thing that's calling to you right now? What's the thing that feels good right now? And it sounds like you've been doing that. And I think that's the sustainable approach to building a podcast. It's what's doable, is to do it as it feels right and to let the other stuff go. For now or forever. Some of it you just you might know this is never something I want to worry about. And this might be something I'd like to, but maybe I'll do that in phase three, four or five at some other point. So I think that's Lauri Smith (28:46) Yeah. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (28:47) great. What are some of the and I think that, you know, there's a lot of shoulds that haven't been helpful, but what are some of the things that have been like good for you, good advice? What are the things you're glad you listened to? Lauri Smith (29:00) Yeah, I am glad that I listened to the person who said, you know, you are building your early audience. So don't get all wrapped up in the numbers, appreciate everything. I appreciate someone else who was podcasting. I told her how long it took me to edit. And I was playing and learning. I, for the first few episodes, I would take myself, because it was me doing all of it. Take an interesting section and move it to the beginning and then put in the podcast music and the introduction to the show. I did all of that myself and I even edited the transcripts that are AI generated on Buzz Sprout back when like I had to take it and and do that all manually. When I said it took me like I don't remember what the number was, like it took me seven hours for one episode. She just looked at me like, what now? Girl, girl, you gotta stop that. And I was like, my gosh, she's right. I love doing it. I love being creative. I need to focus my effort on the things that I love and the creative parts that I love, not editing the transcript. no one cares. I my name is spelled wrong in half the transcripts. I think people understand Buzz Sprout created that transcript. someone did say have really good audio quality. I was about to invest in a microphone, and I turned to my husband, who is a singer-songwriter and has a degree in sound engineering. And he was like, You complain all the time about all the musical equipment I have. Don't buy one. I have one. You'll see it on TV shows. You'll see it like Draymond Green might be sitting there with this podcast, Mike. he listened. I used the AI to do the sound early on that comes with Buzz Sprout, and he listened to it and Poor thing, three seasons and a hundred episodes in or four seasons and a hundred episodes in. He listened to it and he said, I'm pretty sure I can do better than that pretty quickly. So he does it. I don't use the AI one. He listens to two separate audio tra you know, and he's having a blast. He's like geeking out and getting to use the things that he went to school for that he doesn't get to use as much. I'm glad I listened to him. When he offered. And I do turn to him at times and say, one of the things I've been doing is finding ways to make it easier. Can we do how can we work together to do that for you so that it's not we don't have these moments where it stresses you out? Which I think is, you know, yes, he's my husband, and it's great leadership of a team to be like, you look a little stressed. What can I do to relieve that? batch record ahead of time. And give you three at a time, great. I love working ahead. I can easily do that to make that easier for you. I can't remember a lot of the things that I did not listen to. I haven't listened to or watched a whole lot of training on like from certain people on how to monetize. I I listen and I check out like if you bring in people to the Feminist Podcasters Collective, I get curious about that because it feels like there's gonna be an aligned way. To make that fall into the win-win-win category. I'm probably not, you know, I don't know, when I have something going on, I'll use the dynamic content. And when I don't, I have like my quizzes, which I think are really fun, are in the dynamic the dynamic content. But I don't always have what do I have for sale in every single episode? I have the music play and then when something is happening, I insert that and then I set a reminder to pull it out when the thing is over. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (32:51) Yeah. What I really hear, Lori, is that you are doing what feels right for you. Like alignment is key. And I just think that's important for people to hear because there's a million rules. And if you follow one set, you'll be disobeying another set. If you follow that set, you're disobeying some piece of that. There's no no one has all the answers because no one really knows, right? It there's so much there's as much art as there is science to podcasting. And so finding what works for you and feels right, whether that's something you know intellectually, you know. embodied, however to follow that, trust that, and do what works for you. So I love that. I want to end things because our time is up, but I want to ask just quickly too about the podcast collective and just community in general. What has having some community around you as you podcast, why is that important to you? Lauri Smith (33:38) Because a lot of it is something that we're doing alone. We hold the weight, whether we're paying someone to do it and holding the weight of, you know, I've got a whole team doing it and I'm quality checking, or like me right now, I'm choosing all the guests, I'm sending all the emails. I have great systems for it that I set up and running a business alone, doing a podcast alone. Can feel lonely. So having the community and popping in just to connect with other people, to get fresh ideas to me as kind of a layer on top of feeling connected. And I've been incredibly busy. So I'm saying this, and I'm even feeling the longing to get there more in person because the videos are great. You give us amazing amounts of value. And what I love the most is. Feeling like I'm a part of something, even though we each have our own thing. It feels Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (34:40) Yeah. Lauri Smith (34:40) less lonely. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (34:42) Yeah, because when it's just you and a mic in your living room or your basement or wherever you are, it can feel even when you're having interviews, it can feel a little lonely and having other people who understand that experience. The feeling that I think every indie podcaster has of hello, is this thing on? Is anybody out there? Right. It's nice to have other people mirror back and say, Yeah, I know that feeling. So thank you for being a part of it. Thank you for doing this. And where can people learn more about you and about Untamed Leader? Lauri Smith (35:07) The best place to find me is my website. It's voice hyphen matters dot com and the podcast and all of my socials and everything I've got are on that hub. Becky Mollenkamp, she/they (35:19) And I will link to it with a show notes so people can find that. Thank you for doing this, Lori. I really appreciate you. Lauri Smith (35:24) Yeah, thanks for having me.