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3 Guys Before The Game - A Conversation with WVU Football General Manager Chuck Lillie (Episode 716) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: That's right, showtime in the University City. Welcome in everyone,
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  Speaker 1: it is time for another episode of your Favorite, My Favorite,
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's Favorite. It's Three Guys Before the Game and it
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  Speaker 1: is a continuation of our summer series. And Senator can
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  Speaker 1: I get at we got a dandy for you, a
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  Speaker 1: nice hot streaking all right, we're rolling. I mean this
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  Speaker 1: is just kind of it's kind of like stealing. We
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  Speaker 1: got them going. I think this is yeah. I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm almost positive, Like this guy has been the most
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  Speaker 1: sought after interview. Like you know those people that go
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  Speaker 1: overseas and they they leave the country and then you
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  Speaker 1: can never find them again. That's our guest. Chuck Lily's
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  Speaker 1: name has been associated with WVU football since his arrival.
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  Speaker 1: But the question is, what does this dude do? What's
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  Speaker 1: the general manager of Mountaineer Football do? Your day has come.
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  Speaker 1: let's jump in. All right. I might have gone over
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  Speaker 1: the top. I mean, like I basically was saying it happens.
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  Speaker 1: I may have been saying kind of like you know
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  Speaker 1: those people that like they're foreign leaders and they go in
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  Speaker 1: exile and then you can't find them, and then people like, well,
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  Speaker 1: where's Chuck. Chuck's been working underground.
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  Speaker 2: He's been busy. That's why we haven't had him. He's
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  Speaker 2: been extremely busy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we had some roster movement. How are you, buddy,
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  Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good. Thanks for having me on here.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel that did you know that people want
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  Speaker 1: to know what you talk about and what you think
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  Speaker 1: about and how you do your job. Do you know that?
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  Speaker 3: I think I know that. I haven't you seen it
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  Speaker 3: or heard it? I know that you know what we
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  Speaker 3: do is probably really fascinating to the general public, the
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  Speaker 3: general fan base. But yeah, I'm happy to be here,
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  Speaker 3: happy to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: So absolutely, absolutely, it's good to have you. And I
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  Speaker 1: might be I might be using some hyperbole when I
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  Speaker 1: say that, but no, it's a whole interesting world. Why
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  Speaker 1: is it interesting because your position did not exist? I mean, heck,
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  Speaker 1: this whole general manager terminology I think is still less
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  Speaker 1: than five year years old, right, there were no gms
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  Speaker 1: five years ago. So let's kind of jump back a
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  Speaker 1: little bit and just let folks know from from whence
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  Speaker 1: you come from? Where you have come from? So football guy?
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  Speaker 1: Throughout the course of your life, you're always a football guy.
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  Speaker 3: I always loved football, honestly. Interestingly enough, I did not
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  Speaker 3: get into college football really until I got to Clemson.
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  Speaker 3: I was always a pro guy. I'm from Baltimore, huge
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  Speaker 3: Ravens fan, So I know there's probably a lot of YenS,
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  Speaker 3: there's probably a lot of Steelers fan watching this, But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: I grew up a big Ravens fan, and it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: until I got to Clemson that I really started to
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  Speaker 3: understand college football.
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  Speaker 1: Baltimore guy, what gets you from Maryland down to South Carolina?
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  Speaker 1: Why Clemson to go to school?
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  Speaker 3: So funny story, I thought that I wanted to go
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  Speaker 3: to the University of South Carolina. So ironically enough, I
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  Speaker 3: go down on a visit summer prior to my senior
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  Speaker 3: year and just do not wind up liking the school,
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  Speaker 3: don't wind up liking the visit, and my mom had
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  Speaker 3: enough sense about to say, you know, we're not just
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  Speaker 3: going to see South Carolina. We got to get some
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  Speaker 3: other visits in while we're while we're doing this, So
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  Speaker 3: we drove down and after the South Carolina visit, we
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  Speaker 3: went to Clemson the next day, and I just happened
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  Speaker 3: to fall in love with it and got lucky enough
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  Speaker 3: to get into school there. So the long story short,
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  Speaker 3: that's how that came to be.
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  Speaker 1: Was the whole South Carolina, go South thing just to
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  Speaker 1: get warm. I mean, why, why, why would why'd you
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  Speaker 1: want to go South?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. I didn't want to go
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  Speaker 3: to University of Maryland. I just didn't have a draw there.
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  Speaker 3: I did have some family that went there, but I
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  Speaker 3: didn't have a personal draw, and I kind of liked
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  Speaker 3: the southern living lifestyle. I drove a truck, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I always wanted to drive a truck, always like being outdoors.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking to pick up pick up. Yeah, so you
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  Speaker 1: figured out slide on the clamps and cams with a pickup.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in, I'm fit right in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you call them pickups anymore?
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  Speaker 2: You go pick up a lot?
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  Speaker 1: What do you call it?
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  Speaker 3: What's just a truck?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like Chuck just said.
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  Speaker 1: Just different trucks. I mean there's there's eighteen wheelers, there's
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  Speaker 1: like box trucks.
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  Speaker 2: I've never thought he was driving an eighteen wheeler when
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  Speaker 2: he said it. Neither here nor there, go ahead, chefy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So no, I don't know, just kind of felt drawn
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  Speaker 3: down there, and once I stepped foot on campus there,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want to go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, so you get there. What's the major as
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  Speaker 1: a freshman? Do you know what your major? You go?
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  Speaker 1: Do you go general early or do you go I'm
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  Speaker 1: majoring in what?
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  Speaker 3: So I was actually communications to start. They were getting
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  Speaker 3: ready to put in a sports division to the communications major.
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  Speaker 3: So sports column was coming, but it wasn't until my
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  Speaker 3: sophomore year. So my freshman and sophomore year, I was
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  Speaker 3: just a regular student joining fraternity rush fraternity, but I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't involved until my junior year with the football team.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, Yeah, so you got a late start. So
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  Speaker 1: your first two years you're just ding dogging around campus.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Freshman year, you know did the whole you know,
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  Speaker 3: RUSSI of fraternity and was being a college student. My
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  Speaker 3: sophomore year, you know, I knew I wanted to get involved.
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  Speaker 3: I was taking classes in you know, broadcast journalism and
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  Speaker 3: trying to figure out, okay, what's my path? Didn't know
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  Speaker 3: what that looked like. But I started writing letters and
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  Speaker 3: making phone calls and trying to find a way into
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  Speaker 3: either the football team or the baseball team, and I
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  Speaker 3: just I didn't have any real luck with that. So
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  Speaker 3: it was my junior year, probably a week before classes started,
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  Speaker 3: I just took took myself down over to the football
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  Speaker 3: stadium where the operations complex was, and walked into the building,
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  Speaker 3: heard people talking from the floor above me, and just
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  Speaker 3: followed the noise, and it happened to be the recruiting office,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, somehow talked my way into it. That
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  Speaker 3: was really how it got started.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a second time out here. So you just you go, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I hear noise, I'm going up the steps, and you
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  Speaker 1: go up and you just say hey, and they kind
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  Speaker 1: of give you. Everyone looks at the same time and goes, hey,
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  Speaker 1: my name's Chuck, and I just want to get involved.
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  Speaker 3: That's pretty much it. Yeah, and talked my way into it.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't want to take a junior because, as they knew,
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  Speaker 3: it was going to take some time to kind of
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  Speaker 3: learn everything and on board. And you know, so I
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  Speaker 3: think I lied and told him that I was going
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  Speaker 3: to need a fifth year. Sure yeah, Why well, no,
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  Speaker 3: I'm really like a sophomore, right, I'm gonna need this
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  Speaker 3: fifth year? Sure yeah, So convince them to you know,
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  Speaker 3: hire me. I didn't need to get paid, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: need class credit. I just wanted to work. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: talk my way into it.
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  Speaker 1: So awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Had you walked into the offensive line coaching room, would
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  Speaker 2: you be in coaching?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, Uh, probably. I never really had the
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  Speaker 3: passionate coach. I always liked the front office style, you know,
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  Speaker 3: recruiting personnel. I always had an interest in that. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think if I had walked you know, left instead
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  Speaker 3: of right when I got up to the second floor,
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  Speaker 3: I yeah, I may have, you know, started a career
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  Speaker 3: down coaching.
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  Speaker 1: Ended up in a different area. Yeah. Wild you jump
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  Speaker 1: in and they say, okay, start doing this. What's the
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  Speaker 1: very first thing they said, here's your task?
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  Speaker 3: Do what very first thing? I was doing well, And
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  Speaker 3: this is I don't know, maybe a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: a secret that still kind of goes on today.
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  Speaker 1: But trade secret we got.
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  Speaker 3: We got sending out graphics to recruits from the you know,
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  Speaker 3: either coaches accounts or from the you know, main account,
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  Speaker 3: the football account. So that was what I was doing
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  Speaker 3: two three days a week. Was I was coming in
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  Speaker 3: for two three hours at a time and you know,
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  Speaker 3: just getting all the messages queued up. Nowadays you can
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  Speaker 3: kind of you know, match the names, and there's enough
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  Speaker 3: technology to where that stuff takes five minutes. But at
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  Speaker 3: the time it was all by hand. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think I probably had a time where you know,
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  Speaker 3: I was sending something to you know, John whoever, and
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  Speaker 3: I sent the graphic that had the other John on there.
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  Speaker 3: So there was you know, some human error that was
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  Speaker 3: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: You know, right away, like when you got into this,
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  Speaker 2: like the first few hours you were in You're like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is it. This is what I want to be doing,
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  Speaker 2: or to take a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think it took a little bit. I think
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  Speaker 3: being involved with the team that was what I wanted,
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  Speaker 3: you know, was some sort of you know, team element.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I didn't want to spend my career
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  Speaker 3: sending out graphics on Twitter, but that was my foot
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  Speaker 3: in the door. Sure, And I think the more I
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  Speaker 3: got around, hey, okay, recruiting, there's an evaluation element to it.
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  Speaker 3: There's a you know, personal aspect to it, getting to
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  Speaker 3: know these players, getting to know their families, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: being a cog in the process to you know, help
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  Speaker 3: get that player you know on your campus and to
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  Speaker 3: be a part of your team moving forward for the
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  Speaker 3: next four or five years and allowing you to help,
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  Speaker 3: you know, chase championships. That was where I started to
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  Speaker 3: fall in love with it and realize, hey, okay, this
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  Speaker 3: is something.
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  Speaker 2: That So it was clear the recruiting slash personnel side
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  Speaker 2: was was in your wheelhouse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, So how do we learn the
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  Speaker 1: art of evaluation.
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  Speaker 3: The art of evaluation, I don't think there is an art. Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: I think it is. I think it is an art,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think there is a exactly you know,
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  Speaker 3: methodology that is a proven you know, you do it
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  Speaker 3: this way. I think the biggest thing with evaluation is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you got to have things that you know,
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  Speaker 3: you look for and have an idea of how to
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  Speaker 3: you know, grade comparatively, like you know, what does a
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  Speaker 3: great player, what does a great trait look like at
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  Speaker 3: this position? But I think the biggest thing is is
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of intuition and and a whole lot
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  Speaker 3: of uh uh, you know, gut to it. Honestly, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you have conviction and evaluation, I think that's the
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  Speaker 3: biggest thing. I learned that at a at a young age,
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  Speaker 3: and tell all of our young guys, like, that's the
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  Speaker 3: biggest thing that you can show me. If you bring
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  Speaker 3: a player, you know, to us or to a coach, like,
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  Speaker 3: you better have some conviction because otherwise, if you don't
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  Speaker 3: have conviction, we start, you know, poking holes in it,
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  Speaker 3: and you can't defend them. Then you know, that guy's
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  Speaker 3: kind of dead on arrival.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have someone that took you to their side
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  Speaker 1: and gave you some of the insight as to what
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  Speaker 1: you just said? Like, how do you figure out this
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  Speaker 1: one's a great one, this one's maybe? Did someone take
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  Speaker 1: your side and.
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  Speaker 3: Teach I think it was a whole bunch of people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, throughout my career, whether that was uh, personnel people, coaches,
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  Speaker 3: NFL scouts, you know, just I think having the ability
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  Speaker 3: to you know, just always be curious minded, you know,
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  Speaker 3: always be willing to ask questions and hey, okay, what
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  Speaker 3: did you like about this guy? Like, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: I looked at him, I didn't see it. What did
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  Speaker 3: you see that you liked? You know, being able to
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  Speaker 3: admit when you're wrong and and always learning, I think
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  Speaker 3: is a big part of that. So yeah, really, everybody
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  Speaker 3: that I've kind of come across and spent time with
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  Speaker 3: in my career has kind of helped, you know, form
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  Speaker 3: me into the person I am.
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  Speaker 2: So this position and this world is constantly changing, and
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  Speaker 2: it's evolving a lot since you even started into it.
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  Speaker 2: If I asked you for a thirty second elevator pitch
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  Speaker 2: of what you tell a recruits parents or what you
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  Speaker 2: would tell a recruit or what you'd say to us
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  Speaker 2: thirty seconds. What's your job entail?
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  Speaker 1: What is it?
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  Speaker 3: What is my job in tale?
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  Speaker 2: It's a general manager at wv's John.
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  Speaker 3: I think the big thing is salary cap management, you know, understanding,
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  Speaker 3: you know what kind of resources that we have, making
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  Speaker 3: sure we deploy those and you know, use them as
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  Speaker 3: competitively as possible. As well as just the overall strategic
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  Speaker 3: you know, recruiting oversight, making sure that our board is
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  Speaker 3: competitive and that if there are changes that need to
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  Speaker 3: take place, changes that need to occur, guys that we
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  Speaker 3: need to add to their you know, allowing the recruiting
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  Speaker 3: and evaluation process to take place and for you know,
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  Speaker 3: that stuff to kind of happen organically.
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  Speaker 1: When you look and compare your first recruiting class here
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  Speaker 1: to this past year's recruiting class, what are the most
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  Speaker 1: significant differences in year two having had the opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: do a full cycle of evaluation.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great question. When you say first recruiting class,
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  Speaker 3: do you mean twenty five or twenty six?
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  Speaker 1: When you got got here?
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  Speaker 3: Huh you needed players?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so was it? Hey, we got to go beg,
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  Speaker 1: borrow and steal to find what's still left out there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I think you know, by the time the
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  Speaker 3: coach had taken the job, you know, signing it had
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  Speaker 3: already passed. I think we had eighteen high school signees
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  Speaker 3: in the twenty five class, and we signed I want
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  Speaker 3: to say forty some players in that in that portal cycle.
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  Speaker 3: And you got to keep in mind that the dates
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  Speaker 3: were different, right, So this past year, the transfer portal
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  Speaker 3: I don't think officially opened until January second or January third.
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  Speaker 3: The year before it had opened, you know, the first
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  Speaker 3: week of December. So I was actually still at Oklahoma. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we had put the signing class together, we
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  Speaker 3: were putting the finishing touches on the portal class, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, happy to finish up our bowl game. I
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  Speaker 3: was home in Baltimore over New Year's and and got
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  Speaker 3: a call to come down here. So, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: go from having you know, all but I think two
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  Speaker 3: guys signed in that portal class at Oklahoma, and everybody
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  Speaker 3: else is kind of picking over, picking over the bunch
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  Speaker 3: for three weeks, and then I get here. I think
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  Speaker 3: there had been four players that had been signed, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, we went out and signed something like twenty
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  Speaker 3: eight guys in the next twenty one days. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it was it was a madhouse, but yeah, that's what
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  Speaker 3: it was. Was a lot of a lot of picking
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  Speaker 3: through what was so available and and you know, not
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  Speaker 3: to you know, say that those guys weren't good players
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  Speaker 3: for us, but I think the approach probably would have
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  Speaker 3: been a little bit different. Like we wouldn't have went
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  Speaker 3: out and signed forty seniors and we had forty seniors
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  Speaker 3: on on last year's roster, and you don't ever want
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  Speaker 3: to be that top heavy. So kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 3: now having a full cycle to you know, recruit this
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  Speaker 3: past year's high school senior class and having a chance
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  Speaker 3: to really vet out the portal. H. You know, we
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  Speaker 3: were able to put some some strategic processes in place, uh,
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  Speaker 3: to prepare for all of that, and I think we
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  Speaker 3: have a lot more of a well balanced roster this year.
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  Speaker 1: So let's jump into what you said the phone call.
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  Speaker 1: You're at Oklahoma and the phone call comes about what
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  Speaker 1: did you know about West Virginia? How what was the
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  Speaker 1: Was this a Zach Alley relationship? He told Rich Rich
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  Speaker 1: there's this dude at Oklahoma. He'd be the guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the I guess the story there was I
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  Speaker 3: had heard rumblings that Zach was, you know, considering the
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  Speaker 3: position here. Uh that was when we were at our
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  Speaker 3: bull site, and I didn't I didn't know if that
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  Speaker 3: was going to be true or not. The news breaks,
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  Speaker 3: I think the day after the Bowl game. I had
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  Speaker 3: just landed in Baltimore and you know, saw the news
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  Speaker 3: all over Twitter. So I reached out to Zach and
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  Speaker 3: just told him congratulations and I was happy for him.
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  Speaker 3: And he just said, you know, would you be interested
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  Speaker 3: in coming over? And I said, well, you know, it
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  Speaker 3: depends what it is, but yeah, absolutely, keep me in
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  Speaker 3: mind and let me know what's available. And I think
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  Speaker 3: it was, you know, maybe three or four days later
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  Speaker 3: he said that, you know, I think Coach might be
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  Speaker 3: And typically how that works, at least in my experience,
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  Speaker 3: it might be two weeks later. And I was getting
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  Speaker 3: ready to go to the airport. I had a flight
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pickup truck.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my pickup truck was in Dallas. And uh so
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  Speaker 3: I say, hey, I don't know when Coach is gonna call,
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  Speaker 3: but like if he calls and it goes straight to voicemail,
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  Speaker 3: tell him I'm interested, but I might be on a
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  Speaker 2: It's a preemptive move right there.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, so uh he sure enough, Coach called.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I think probably within thirty minutes of that phone call, like,
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• 17:07
  Speaker 3: there's got to be some sort of interview process involved here,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: and he just he offered it to me. I think
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: they I think initially they were probably not going to
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: hire a general manager at least in the interim, get
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  Speaker 3: through that that first month or two and kind of
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: sort it out from there. But I think, you know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: trying to do that much overhaul in such a short
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: period of time, I think they probably just felt like
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: they needed one more person. And I'm you know, I'm
• 17:31
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• 17:33
  Speaker 2: What do you think the biggest thing you took from
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: your Oklahoma experience that you took forward into this position?
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Man, that's a great question. That was my first time
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: being in the SEC. It spent you know, five seasons
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: with the team at Clemson and then four seasons over
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: at Kansas State, so had been the ACC, had been
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: in the Big twelve, and I think just kind of
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: seeing the the makeup of rosters in the SEC. You know,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: what those body types look like, what those you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: rosters look like, you know, each different position. How is
• 18:06
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• 18:10
  Speaker 3: I've kind of, you know, mentally compared ourselves against in
• 18:14
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• 18:17
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  Speaker 1: amount of dollars on average on offense, X amount of
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you want to try to be balanced,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as it relates to offense and defense. But
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  Speaker 3: I think it's you know, I hear some programs that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, try to allocate a certain amount of dollars
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  Speaker 3: towards the freshman signing class, and I guess I just
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily agree or understand that that logic. I think
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: the way that coach wants to, you know, run this,
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  Speaker 3: and I agree with this wholeheartedly, is, you know, let's
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: just acquire the best players that we can wherever we
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  Speaker 3: can get them. You know, if that's a if that's
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: a freshman, you know, and you know, sign e great
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  Speaker 3: if that's a guy that's already here on your roster. Obviously,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: that's the biggest part of it is is making sure
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: that your retention plans are strong. And then you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: coming across guys and in the portal, you know, there's
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: a there's a reason that you know those guys are
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: are available, good or or bad. So making sure you
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: do your homework and and understand who it is that
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: you're bringing into your building, you know, and in the
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: high school game, you got a lot of time to
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: you get to know a guy and what makes him tick,
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  Speaker 3: and you know who's around him in his life, what
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: kind of influences does he have, you know, what are
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  Speaker 3: the things that you are ultimately going to drive his success.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Whereas in the portal, you know you're evaluating, you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: the player, you're evaluating the production or the potential of
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: that player, but it's hard to get to know him.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: So you know a little bit of buyer beware, you
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: know in the portal, and there's a lot of good
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: that can come out of it. But I think you know,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: there's been some programs that have leaned heavily on that
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: and you know, they don't have the sustained success that
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: you're looking for in today today's age.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I have an assumption that as this thing continues to grow,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: you will build a network of agents that you talk to,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: and you will have good experiences with agents, and you
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: will feel much more comfortable in dealing with them because
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  Speaker 1: they recruit a certain type of player to represent. And
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  Speaker 1: then you will have negative experiences with certain agents because
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: they also recruit a certain time and over time when
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  Speaker 1: that person that has had a problem in the past
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: with you, you're just like, dude, I'm not working with you anymore.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: But the guy that has the kind of guys we want?
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Is that fair?
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, I think you know already there's been
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: you know again, in the last I guess eighteen months
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: now that I've been here. You know, there's been plenty
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: of interactions both positively and negatively, you know, dealing with representation.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's interesting because you have your you know, typical
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: licensed agents, guys that uh, you know, are already representing
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  Speaker 3: a handful or you know, large plethora of players you
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  Speaker 3: know in the NFL, so they really understand what you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: that whole song and dance looks like, you know, they
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: are probably a little bit more well equipped in terms
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: of how to handle negotiating and how to you know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, strategically hold their cards. But but I think
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: at the same time, like they know that they're not
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: in this to make a quick box, so they do
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  Speaker 3: have to have a little bit of integrity in terms
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: of how they operate. And there are you know, plenty
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  Speaker 3: of bad actors license or not that you realize, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: like we don't need to you know, entertain this type
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: of behavior. So I think it's just you know, same thing,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: just like you know, recruiting a player, you know, forming
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: relationships you know with these represent these representatives they're not
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: going anywhere, and so understanding you know, who is going
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: to be doing good business, you know, what types of
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: people or agencies are going to have you know, are
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  Speaker 3: are we going to be repeat customers with them? And
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: making sure that there's a relationship.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: There has the as the market has matured a little bit,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: was still a long way to go. Is there is
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: there a pretty good understanding now in your mind between players,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: their agents and internal folks like yourself on what market
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: value is for certain positions. Do you feel like that's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: a little closer together than it was a year and
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: a half two years ago.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I think it's starting to The difficult piece with that,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I think in our sport is it's kind of like
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: baseball is probably the closest thing that that I can
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: point to. Uh, you know, professional baseball, you have a
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: salary cap and you also have a lux attack. So
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: a team like the New York Yankees is going to
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: consistently spend above the salary cap and you know they're
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: going to pay whatever you know cost it takes to
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: feel the highest you know, budgeted team that that they
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: can afford your end you're out, and some teams just
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: don't have the ownership to spend up to that. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's kind of where college football is right now.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: As you have some teams that you know, have infinite
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  Speaker 3: resources that have figured out, you know, ways to spend
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  Speaker 3: above the cap, and because of that, you know, not
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: everybody's working with the same you know, dollar figures, So
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: that kind of muddies the water a little bit. But
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: for the most part, to answer your question, yes, I
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: think there's starting to become a little bit more of
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: an understanding. You know, hey, okay, player you know X,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: who's a you know, high school quarterback or player. Why
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: that's a you know, transfer portal offensive lineman. You kind
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: of understand, you know, this is what that type of
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: player is going to typically command. Now, obviously, you know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: the more desperate the team is, maybe sure, you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: to acquire that player, that that price can get driven
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: up a little bit. And that's where I think, you know,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: it's very important for us to not get swept away
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: in the emotions of a recruiting race. You know, we
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: need to be you know, true to our evaluation model.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: You know, that's how how we go about things. As
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: we kind of have an internal system built out to say,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: all right, we're grading this player as X, y Z,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: and you know, based on their correlating position. You know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: this is what we figured this price range to be.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: So when you evaluate and you're going through the process
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: of evaluation before you've got to conversations with these folks,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: are you slotting guys on your board based on what
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: you think their dollar figure will be when it goes
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: to market. Is that how you're doing It's not just
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: talent wise, it's also fitting into those salary slots as well.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, that's correct. So there's you know, right now,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I think think you know, we're kind of in the
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: middle of having some of those conversations with with high
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: school players. You know, you're not having a whole lot
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: of conversations with guys on your team about that right now,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: but high school players, you know, rising seniors. You know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: we're kind of determining what we see their you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: market value to be, and you know, starting to engage
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: in those conversations, either with the players and their families
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: directly or if they have representation, you know, starting to
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: you know, bring that to light because I think they
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: want to know right now, you know, they want to know. Okay,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: you know what is that associated figure. I'm getting ready
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: to come on a visit here this summer, you know
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: with you what does that look like for me? What
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: where do I stand? Uh uh, you know, be as
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: a freshman or whatever. And I think the more honest,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: transparent conversations that that you can have, the easier it is.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: The last thing that we want to do is is
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: get into a bunch of you know, leave it up
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: to interpretation type conversations that you know, eventually we'll lead
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: to uh, misunderstandings. And hurt feelings down the road. So
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: we want to be upfront and honest.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: With that, we'll let everyone know where they're at. Sometimes
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: that'll lead to, you know, really good conversations. Sometimes it
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: takes you out of a out of the running for
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: a player. Sometimes it kind of lets you know, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: what's important in a player's recruitment. You know, can that
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: player more or less be bought or as money like
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: really far down the list of things that matter to them.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: And so you understand, hey, okay, like as long as
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: we're not getting severely outbid, you know, we just got
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: to show this player the right things that matter and
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: his recruitment, you know, in order to try to make
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: them a mountain.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: So you feel that's still an important part of the recruiting.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: It's not just that all we talk so much about
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: the dollars. You think there's still stuff behind that other
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: than just what's my offer, what's the dollar amount, what's next?
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I do think you know, if if money
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: gets to a certain stage, you know, with one program
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: versus the you know, I do think there's certain implications,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: certain financial decisions that a player or his family's gonna
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: have to make whether that's you know, a school is
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: so far below everybody else that they kind of get
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: cut out, or at school so far above everyone else
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: that they can, you know, lack of a better term,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: be bought. But yeah, I think for the most part,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: like it's it's still it's still the nuts and bolts
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: of Okay, you know what type of locker room am
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I walking into? You know? Do I like the campus?
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: More specifically, do I like my coaches? This scheme fit me?
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Am I going to get developed and have a chance
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: to have success at this level and maybe have a
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: chance to play in the NFL?
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Chuck, is there a similar value per position that's evolving
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: in college compared to the NFL? So NFL quarterback is
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: going to make the most right then your tackles? Is
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: that all so being replicated in college football as well?
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: I think so? Yeah, I think that's pretty consistent because
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: you know, while the highest of the highs right in
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: the NFL, quarterbacks are getting paid the most if you
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: look across all thirty two NFL teams, whether it be
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: the guys on a rookie contract or you know, guys
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: signing a lower end free agent deal just because they
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: happen to play that position doesn't automatically qualify them to
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: be the highest paid player on the team, right, So
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: it really all goes back to how much is this
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: guy going to help us win? You know, where are
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: they at in their career and their ability to help
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: us win. So if all things are equal, if all
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: you know, I grade this guy the highest I can
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: grade him, and he's playing whatever position in that position
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: has a higher associated value than a different position, then yeah,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: the you know, the quarterbacks, the tackles, the pass rushers,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: you know those are going to you know, top out
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: at a higher level. But you know, again it's gonna
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: be a little bit more associated with what is that
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: player's impact on us winning football games.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: At West Virginia. What are the most coveted positions?
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: All of them? There's I mean, there's not a position
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: on the field where you know, we're we are going
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: to de emphasize you know that that position's importance to
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: us winning football games. And that's what makes football unique
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: is you need all eleven guys on each side of
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: the ball to to do their job in order for
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: you to have success. You know, there's there's different you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: there's different roles that that each player plays within his position,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: you know, depending on the call that you know, could
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: either you know, have him kind of be like the
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: feature highlighted you know, sexy part of the play or
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: the you know, really underrated part of the play that
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: you know the fan is never really going to notice,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: but they're you know, instrumental in that play having success
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: that play, you know, going for a touchdown, or that
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: play resulting in a strip sack. So everybody's got to
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: work in cohesion, you know, and it's it's like watching
• 33:10
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• 33:13
  Speaker 3: a musical performance up on stage right, like when it's
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: in sync, when it looks right, I mean, it's it's
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: a beautiful thing to watch. And when it's when it's
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: you know, not that way, you know, it can look
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: like a big cluster and you know it's pretty easy
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: to spot out. Hey, Okay, Like you know, this guy's
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: not at his landmark. You know, he's got to be
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: another yard or two off here and understanding the bigger
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: picture as to why, you know, once I think guys
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: get into that second year or third year of being
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: in a system and really understanding hey, Okay, this is
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: why I'm doing this certain thing within the play, and
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: they can execute their assignment. That's when it starts to
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: become a thing of beauty.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I think the musical analogy is really good. It's like
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: it's like an orchestra. Yeah, like if someone is out
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  Speaker 1: of tune and keep playing wrong, note, the whole thing
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: sounds bad.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: And football, we watched tape all the time and you
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: just look at a play and go like, that play
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: was there, but this dude just one second longer. If
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: he would have held his block one second long, that
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: thing's gone. No one really notices that. They just see
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the running back running into a defensive player because that
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: guy just didn't hold that guy.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: We often say it's amazing anything works. Yeah, there's so
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: much that has to come to a play. It's remarkable
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that things work. Can we talk some specifics for a
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: minute in terms of last season into this season. So
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about speed here in a minute, because Rich
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: has continually talked about the need to get faster at
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: all positions. But let's start up front with that offensive line,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: how important that is and was in this offseason and
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: going out and finding not only some more physicality, but
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: some experience as well. You've got a wide ranging group
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: of guys that are experienced mixed in with Kevin Brown,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: who is one of the headliners coming in in this
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: freshman class. What was the goal of the offensive line
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: recruiting and where do you think that landed.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the goal going into the off season was,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: you know, we we definitely wanted to add some experience.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: We were going to lose some guys up front, you know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: to expiring eligibility, so we knew we had to, you know,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: get some guys in here that had experience, whether that
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: was you know, coming from another school, coming from a
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: junior college, whatever. So we wanted to add experience. We
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: wanted to get bigger, we wanted to add size. You know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: we felt like at times last year we just lacked,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: you know a little bit of size and strength to
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: re establish and move the line of scrimmage. So we
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: went out and we identified some guys and signed some
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: guys that we were really excited about that you know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: kind of checked all all three of those boxes. Guys
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: that were bigger, guys that had experience, and guys that
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: you know, we felt like we're going to be able
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: to be grown men and in the trenches and re
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: establish a line of scrimmage in the run game, you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: hold their own in the past game. You know, I
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: think there was probably a sat out there at one point,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: like some of the transfers that we signed had given
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: up you know, in their careers, like a combined one sack. So,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: you know, I think we got some really well rounded players,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: you know, up front on the offensive line that are
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: bringing a variety of different experiences from where they're coming from.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: And again just overall, we got bigger and stronger, So
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: we're happy about it.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I don't want to put words in your mouth, but
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: it seems like that group was constructed pretty well in
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: terms of so Kevin Brown a high level freshman recruit.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: You bring him and you can compete right away. A
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: couple of guys from the from the FBS level, but
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: a lower level the Jack State guys coming in, Guys
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: that knew this system, had played for this coaching staff
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: and had achieved a really high level. Also some power
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: for guys mixed in. So it looks like you've kind
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: of gone all the way around and circled it from
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: from all ankles.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Fair Yeah, Yeah, I think we got guys from you know,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: we got guys from Jack's. We've got uh, you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Carson Cassi coming over from from Yukon, Devin Voss coming
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: from Kansas State. You know, just a variety of different
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: levels of experience that that were brought in over here,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: West King coming from you know, Wyoming. So we brought
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: in different guys from from different levels, and I think
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: they again, they all are going to bring, you know,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: something you know from their previous school. There's a reason
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: they had success wherever they were at, and so we're
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: really excited about all the mixed in.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: With Nick and living of course, who are back from
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: from last year and know this system from that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well last year it was I think Land and
• 37:27
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• 37:29
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  Speaker 1: just a great job of like having the conversations and
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  Speaker 3: you know, try to put any sort of effort into it.
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  Speaker 3: that I guess plays well in my dealings with agents
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  Speaker 3: is you know, not getting uh too fired up, because
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  Speaker 3: there can be some uh there can be some you know,
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  Speaker 3: and obviously there there are things that happen fast at
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  Speaker 3: certain points. So you know, I guess just not you know,
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  Speaker 3: that conversation to go. And you know, know that there's
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's probably why okay, not to get anyone
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  Speaker 1: in trouble. But is it fair to say that you
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  Speaker 1: are receiving calls from agents on a regular basis, even
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  Speaker 1: when the season is going on, saying, hey, Chuck, what
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  Speaker 1: if Johnny John was in the portal? Would you guys
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  Speaker 1: be interested? You get those calls.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: We get those calls, and obviously you got to be
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: careful because anytime it gets to that point, you know,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: that's that's where you start to you know, cross the
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: line into into tampering. But typically the way that typically
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: the way that those calls go are, you know, you
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: receive a call from an agent saying, you know, hey,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: just wanted to let you know. You know, I've signed
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: a few more clients this month, and you know I
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: got you know, Johnny from this school over here, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: you know this guy from that school over there. So
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: you know, you make a note of it and there's
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: there's no no harm, no foul, and evaluating those guys
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: at a certain point. And then if if that guy
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: does decide to you know, put his name in the portal,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: you know, when the appropriate time comes, you know, then
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I might think back and be like, oh, yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I think. So and so called me. You
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  Speaker 3: know about this kid, let me reach out to him
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: and see if that's all his client So.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Planting seats, Yeah, it's all sea planning. A coach sends
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a tape in on a perspective recruit. Let's just say
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the kids whatever. Let's say he's getting close. So let's
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: say he's a sophomore, junior, whatever it might be. What
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: is your internal process of evaluation to determine whether you
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: begin the process of contacting coming up for an official,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: unofficial whatever. How does that work? How many eyes are
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: evaluating before you say yes, we'd be willing to offer.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: That's a great question, I think in man, Like when
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I first started doing this at Clemson back in twenty fifteen, Like,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I think that answer would probably have been somewhere in
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: the neighborhood of like anywhere from four to seven people
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: or probably watching that player before deciding yes, we're going
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: to you know, extend an offer. Now because of uh,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: you know, you have a little bit of a separation
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: from you know, everything beforehand was all you had the
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: coaching staff, and then you had the recruiting staff. And
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: now within the last you know, five years, I think
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: there's really been a you know separation a little bit
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: from your recruiting staff to your personnel staff. So you
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: got some places I think in the country have the
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: authority to issue those offers as a personnel staff. And
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: you know, we have a little bit of that freedom.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: You know, we try to you know, cross check with
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: our coaches and and our staff there. But you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: it could be anywhere from you know, four to five
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: to six sets of eyes are putting you know notes
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: down on a player before issuing an offer, or it
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: could be as simple as you know, one to two.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: You know, I get a coach or an assistant, it should hey,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: you know, check this guy out. I think he's pretty good.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: So and so sign him to me. You know, I
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: check him out. Hey, yeah, let's offer him. Or you know,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: someone sends someone directly to Coach Rod. Obviously he's got,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: you know, the the green light to do that whenever
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: he wants. So you know, he might just you know,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: get his eyes on them and say, yep, we're gonna
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: offer this kid. So I think that that process has
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: kind of sped up a little bit in terms of
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: like the whole evaluation process. I think there's a couple
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: of different ways that we get names, and maybe a
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: high school coach that we have a relationship with that says, hey,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I have this kid. He's a sophomore, he's a junior
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: or whatever. I think you need to check him out.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be pretty good. Or it could be you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: we pay for all sorts of different recruiting services, you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: allow us to go out and identify find names, and
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: then we have an internal software system that we're gonna
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: push those guys through and it can go from you know,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: the student coach at that position, up to the GA
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: up to the assistant coach up to the you know,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: full time position coach probably want to cross check it,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: you know, with someone on the personnel staff, cross check
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: it with the offensive or defensive coordinator. And then really,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I think the only time for the most part, that
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: we're gonna get, you know, the head coach involved now
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: is okay, is this guy, you know, someone that we're
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: looking to bring in on an official visit or hey
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: you know this, Hey coach, this guy is getting ready
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: to come on campus. We're going to spend the day
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: with him. You know, it's going to be a you know,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: pretty elaborate type of unofficial visit. You know, you need
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: to you need to know who this guy is. You know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: if he sometimes he's already seen that film, but if
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: he hasn't want to make sure that he's putting eyes
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: on him so he knows.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about some of that software and analytics. How
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: important that is an AI, how that's starting to come in,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: how much do you use and slash? How important is
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: it to use those tools in terms of let's take
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: port we take portal or high school that you're entering
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: in certain characteristics or numbers that you want baseline metrics,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: and then it's spitting back out targets. How often does
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that come up. How often do you use that?
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest the biggest place where you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: analytics is is getting involved, is is trying to uh,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: you know, really quantify things that beforehand were you know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: subjective measurements. It's it's taken something where if I'm watching
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: a player, you know, on on film, and I think
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: that player has got really good speed, you know, that's
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: that's my eye, that's my you know, memory bank telling me, well,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: this guy's you know somewhere in the seventy fifth, eightieth
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: percentile of all the guys I've watched this position, right,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: So he's he's not average, he's he's a little bit
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: above average. But now you're taking that kind of subjective measurement.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: That's that's all you know, can can become human error,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: you know, based on a variety factors, level of competition,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: or you know, just maybe the last ten guys that
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: you watch prior to evaluating that one player, and you're
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: able to objectively define you know, certain measurements like change
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: a direction, like linear speed. That's probably the biggest place
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: where there's been a little bit of a revolution in
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: that area, probably in the last four to five years.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: You know, have been lucky that everywhere that yeah, I've been,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: we've been able to try to implement some I don't
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: know if cutting edge is the right word, but we've
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: been able to lean into that probably a little bit
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: more than the traditional old school method of evaluating players
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: and so allowing those processes to take place and lean on,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: you know, certain analytics, lean on certain AI measurements for
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: you know, how to quantify certain things in the recruiting process.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: That just helps, I think, take some of the subjectivity
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: out of it. You still want subjective opinions, you know,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: you still want I want to know what the head
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: coach's opinion is. I want to know what the position
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: coach's opinion is of the player. But sometimes it does
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: help to you know, black and white objectify what some
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: of those traits are.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Yea, and those show up as what percentiles like change
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: of direction would be, what, how's what's the metric?
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Did achiose? It's interesting. There's a ton of different things
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: that that you can quantify now. I think the easiest
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: one is probably probably linear speed. So this is, you know,
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: cool story that talking with Mike Joseph, he was the
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: one that let me know this. But the forty yard dash.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: If you guys aren't familiar, I run for four, you
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: run four four, that's good. Do you got a ten
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: yard head start? Yes, yeah, me too. But so the
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: forty yard dash came about when Paul Brown is the
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: head coach of Cleveland Browns and at the time, the
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: average net punt in the NFL was thirty nine and
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: a half yards, So he was trying to figure out, Okay,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: who do I throw out there? You know, at gunner
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: on punt team and you know line the guys up
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: made him run forty yards and timed them all and
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: the fastest.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: So it was coverage base, not offensive base.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: It was, yeah, it was. It was a special teams
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: coverage base. Yep. So that's how the forty yard dash
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: came about. And so that's still an objectified measurement of
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: speed today at the NFL combine. And you know, that's
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of things that you know
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: are good and make sense about that. Obviously, it's cool,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: there's sex appeal, you know, it drives a lot of
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: eyeballs for TV when the combine comes around. But when
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: we're talking about you know, end game speed, linear speed,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: you don't get a controlled environment to open up for
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: forty yards very often in the context of a football game, right, right,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: So we're trying to figure out, okay, in a fifteen yard,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: twenty yard, twenty five yard area, what is this guy
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: able to open up to? And we have you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: wearable devices that our players wear every single day and
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: so so you know, it kind of creates consistent messaging. Hey, okay,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: this is what our players are doing on a daily basis,
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: This is what our players are doing in practice, in game,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: and we're able to take video components and figure out, hey, okay,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: this recruit is you know, he's playing it, you know,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: anywhere from nineteen and a half to twenty one miles
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: an hour when he's opening up and okay, now we
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: can correlate that at this position, you know, this is
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: he's lined up, he looks like this player. He looks
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: like that player. We don't have a guy on the
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: team that runs this type of speed, even given the opportunity,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: we don't have a guy that runs as fast. This
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: guy would be the fastest player in the room today
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: if we sign them. So that's probably the number one
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: area where that stuff shows up. But you know, change
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: a direction. That's there's a lot of things that are
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: for spaced involved with that. So there are things that
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: you can measure either with an offense or defensive lineman
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: that are kind of force spased in nature, and you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: it can tell you how much power that player is generating,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: you know, given their size, their weight, and how much
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: they are able to you know, move a player that's
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: in front of them. It's it's interesting stuff.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: So you're getting a little exit vlo. They're like to
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: take a baseball term. You're starting to get that stuff
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: is filtering its way over that you can start to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: stack and analyze and evaluate.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: That's good. Yeah, absolutely, And it's just you know, there
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: it's not end all be all's it's not you know, hey,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: we are strictly working on this one piece of information.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: But it's another data point, right, It's another objective data
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: point that we are able to add into the equation
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: to try to make a more well rounded decision.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: It would seem it would really help in the sorting
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: process as well, in the early stages when you're trying
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: to weed out certain guys. Right, you can put some
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: baselines in place that you that you can use then
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: move forward.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: With it.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And I think the uh, you know, the
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: more that we advance with that kind of stuff, I
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: think there's going to be you know, as there's consistent
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: things that arise, whether it's an indicator of success or
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: an indicator of failure, you know, there will be certain
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: things that we look at, you know, based on the
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: position of player plays that hey, okay, Like if I
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: think the Seattle Seahawks are really good, they need you know,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: linebackers that are you know, height X, wingspan x and
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: have a short shuttle lower than whatever. So they've they've
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: found something you know, within their data how they evaluate
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: that says within the structure of our defense, you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: we need players that fit this type of criteria. And
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: if they're outside of this box, it doesn't mean they
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: can't be successful for somebody else, but it's not what
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: we're looking for. Right And in a world of in
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: a world of trying to really you know, narrow down
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: a list of thousands upon thousands of options that are
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: out there for you, it's just you know, it helps
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: to kind of narrow your.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Focus and valuable streamline and we save a ton of time.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Right You've been at Clemson, they won thattional championships. As
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: you said, you were at Case stage for four years,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: which I think is very similar to West Virginia in
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways. A blue collar kind of mentality
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that they run the program obviously Oklahoma, and the tradition
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: that it has what gives you hope or confidence that
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: West Virginia will have success here going forward.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I mean there's a lot of reasons, but
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: I think one of the first things that comes to
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: mind is, you know, if if we're trying to sell
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: or recruit on having you know, a positive college playing experience,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: There's there's two things that kind of come to mind
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Number one is having you know, the opportunity to play
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: and get developed right, and number two is you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: being in you know, a really cool game day atmosphere,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't want to go and play in front
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: of a thousand fans in a fifty thousand, you know stadium,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: fifty thousand person stadium. We got a think what our
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: capacity sixty thousand. They sell out every time and the
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: fans are going from the opening kick to the end
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: of the game. So that's a big thing for us.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: As you know, our our game days are a huge
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: sell So trying to you know, get guys here, whether
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: it's for their unofficial visit, game day, unofficial visit, or
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: their official visit, making sure they experience a game day
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: because I think that sells itself. The place sells itself.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: The fans helps, you know, sell this, but just the
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: opportunity to get developed by the coaches that that we have.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: You know, Coach Rodriguez is, you know, going on I
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: think his thirtieth year as a head coach. You know,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: some of the players that that he's developed that have
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: had you know, tremendous success either you know at the
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: college ranks or the NFL are both that you know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: that speaks for itself. And you know this place is
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: i think what fifteenth all time and in college football wins.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: So we've had every opportunity to have great success here
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: and there's no reason why you know, that's any different
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: today than it was the first time that coach was here.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: So I think, you know, once we get those on
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: field results that we're looking for, which I know are
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: coming down the pipeline here, you know, this will this
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: will be a place that everybody wants to play at.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: You know, it's and it's our job, I think as
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: a recruiting personnel staff to you know, help assist the
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: coaches and making sure guys get here because I think
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: once they get here, you know, we got as good
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: of a shot as any where.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Does the backyard brawl rank among experiences for you, because
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: obviously you've been in high profile games. Where did that
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: one fit in?
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Man? That was that was really cool. I mean there
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: were so many things about that game. Uh, so many
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: things about that game that were that were cool. First off,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: I think anytime you have a uh, you know, high
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: stakes game that starts when the sun is up and
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: finishes when the sun is down like that, that's a
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: picturesque that's a cool thing. That's a cool thing to
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: have happened. Yes, So, uh, that part obviously was was
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: really cool.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: But that was.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: That was a unique rivalry that you know, you felt
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: the gravity of it that week. You felt the gravity
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: of it as the you know, fans are starting to
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: pour in Saturday morning and and pour in you know
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: the night before on Friday night. You know, we had
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: a we had a really good turnout there from from
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: a recruit standpoint, but that was just I don't know,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's up there. I think obviously winning
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: being a part of NASH championship team that that's got
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: to be probably number one for me. But you know,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: behind behind that, man, that game is up there, because
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: that was just there are a lot of emotions obviously
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: were you know, we felt good, we were up. I
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: think there was a play early on in the first
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: half that uh, you know, I don't know why we
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: didn't get an extra play you know there to to
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: maybe try to kick a field goal, but you know,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: go being down in the second half, coming back forcing overtime.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Just so many plays that that stick out, and man,
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: one an unbelievable game.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Helped you with this recruiting class. I've imagine you had
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: a ton of people and did you think it eventually
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: got you guys?
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was a huge That was a
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: huge catalyst for us for sure. You know, being able
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: to beat our rival, you know, have that have that
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: big victory at home, that was a huge catalyst for
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: you know, we already had a large portion of the
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: class together at that point, but I think we were
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: probably we'd probably go on to sign you know, close
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: to ten or twelve more guys as the season went.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: So that was that was huge in terms of just
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: you know, retaining guys that were uh, you know, receiving
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: interest from other programs, and then maybe flipping some guys
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: down the stretch.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: The summer is quote unquote the off season, but it
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: really isn't How important is are the next several months
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: for you How many kids will be coming in on unofficials?
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: What do you guys doing right now?
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so right now, coaches are out on the road,
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: you know, seeing our top twenty seven high school guys,
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: you know, getting in the house, going and seeing them
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: you know, at their spring practices or track events or
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: you know, baseball games or whatever. But you know, kind
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: of moving forward here, fast forwarding a few weeks. You know,
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: we're gonna start to get camps going. Camps are a
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: huge evaluation tool for us to get guys here on
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: campus and be able to work with them, you know,
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: one on one and you know, see them do different
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: drills and you know, see how they respond and take
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: hard coaching. So that will kind of start the process
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: for you know, the next wave, the twenty eight to
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: twenty nine's. But we'll also have a handful of really
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: good twenty seven players on campus to at those camps
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: that we're really excited to evaluate and see in person.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: But then obviously, you know, kind of coinciding with that,
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: you're going to have, you know, three or four weeks
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: of official visits. Most of those will take place on
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: the weekends, but you know, we're going to have probably
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: i'd say anywhere from you know, fifty to you know,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: sixty guys more or less that are going to be
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: coming through here on official visits here, you know, over
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: the next month.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: All right, before we let check it out here, we
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: got to go back. Let's go back on the field
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: for a second. Rich has stated defensively wanted it obviously
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: get bigger, faster, stronger, but bigger on the back end,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: specifically coming out of spring. What do you think about
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: defensive guys that were added. What did you see coming
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: out of the spring? How do you feel about that side.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Of the bab Yeah, I think, you know, bigger, faster, stronger.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: That was kind of an emphasis for us. You know,
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: it's always gonna be an emphasis for you, but specifically
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: this offseason in terms of who we targeted, who we
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: brought in, and that was I think really a big
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: part of who we identified who we signed, both in
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: the high school signing class and in the portal and
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: junior college ranks. I think coming out of spring, you know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: we're we're definitely bigger, We're definitely faster, specifically in the
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: in the secondary. You know, last year we had we
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: had guys that, you know, we're good players that were
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: in good position at times and and they just you know,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: lost the battle of length and and that's what you know,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: that's what can happen in this game. And so for us,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: you know, we had, you know, a couple of guys
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: that are you know, six' one pushing six to two
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: or six to two pushing six three that we've added
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: both in the corner and the safety. Room so we're
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: not gonna be lacking length there. ANYMORE i know.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: That let let's talk about one guy in, Particular Met's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: seeg obviously a lot of attention coming in as a.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Freshman he's really interesting and that can play both sides
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: of the, ball And rich has not been shy about
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: talking about looking for multiple players that play both. Sides
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: how much is that is that a factor in this
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: not just seek, specifically but as you move, forward guys
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: that can can play multiple.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Positions.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you, Know matt was obviously a really good
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: high school, athlete primarily really played you, know kind of,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: quarterback that offensive athlete for his high. School and the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: big thing that was you, know attractive about him during
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: the process was, That, okay you, know here's a guy
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: that's a great, athlete has a propensity for you, know
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: making big plays with the ball in his hand on
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: the offense and defensive side of the, ball has an
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: act for finding the end. Zone but you, know when
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: you turn on the defensive, film you, know he wasn't
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: afraid to. Hit he wasn't afraid to shrike. Guys you,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: know that's always the gamble that you. RUN i think
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: when you take a really good offensive player and try
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: to convert him to a defensive, players if you don't
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: know whether or not they're they're willing to, hit you,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: know sometimes those those plays don't work. Out but that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: was never gonna be a concern of ours With matt
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: because he showed that on. Film but and the you,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: know current day and age of you, know having limited roster,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: NUMBERS i think it's really important for us to identify
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: and find guys that, are you, know just really good,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: athletes really good football, players regardless of what position they,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: play because they can probably help you out on the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: opposite side of the, ball you, know in a limited
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: capacity or in a you, know full, time you, know
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: playing both ways. Capacity so we're always identifying and evaluating players,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: that you, know maybe it's a wide receiver that can play,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: defense or you, know corner that can play. Receiver you,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: know maybe it's a linebacker that can you, know help
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: play full back or tight end or you, know whatever
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: the case may. Be so those guys are, always you,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: know gonna earn brownie points for, us and it's something
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: that we're trying to identify for.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Sure All, right couple, more let's talk speaking At, bigger, faster.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Stronger the receiver room got, bigger, faster.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Stronger.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: There you talk About Prince, strawn talk About, francis talk
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: about our guy friend of the, Program jade And. Bray
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: talk about the receivers for a. Second what was the goal?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: There how do you think he?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: LANDED i think it landed. Tremendously you, know we we
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: definitely sought out guys that that had a little bit,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: more a little bit more. Size, uh you, know when
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: we Lost jaden a year, AGO i think we felt
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: a little bit of lack of size on the, perimeter
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: both in the passing game and in the run blocking,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: game you, Know so that was that was a goal of,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: ours was you, know obviously we you want guys that
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: are a little bit, bigger a little bit faster from
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: a receiving, Standpoint but in order for this offense to you,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: know have the success that's capable, of you need to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: have guys that are you, know willing and capable BLOCKERS
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: uh in the slot and on the perimeter. Too so
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: that was that was what we were looking, for was
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: guys that you, know obviously had the requisite speed you,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: know to be able to you, know be difference makers
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: in this, offense but also guys that had, size that
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: had length that we're gonna be able to you, know
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: hold UP uh in the run blocking, game but also
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: have a little bit more of a throwing window in
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: the passing game.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Too, yeah and we could we'll have you back later
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: this summer and go through some more guys because we
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: could Talk hutchins in his speed Or epps in his.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Wiggle there's a lot to like about that receiver. Room
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: go to the running backs for a, second and, again
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: don't have time to go through every, guy but you
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: have a nice balance of veteran and rookie there With
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: cook And ladimer just to name a couple. There you
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: have to be thrill about where the run back room.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Is, yeah, no we're really. Excited and that was a
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: room that you, know last year we had a ton of,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: injuries we had a ton of guys you, know stepping
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: up and having to. Play and this, year you, know
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: we're really excited about all the guys that that we
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: have in that. Room there's a variety of different experience,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: levels there's a variety of different you know, sizes variety
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: of different talents that that we. Have you, know guys
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: that have home run, speed guys that have you, know
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: do it, all guys that can just absolutely run you.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Over and SO i think we got a really well
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: balanced stable there in the running back. Room really excited
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: to see what those guys can.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Do all, right jump in Miche Michael. Hawkins, YEAH i
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: say let's.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Talk about quarterbacks as the last piece, there same same.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Thing there a mix of experienced youth skill, Set Max brown,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Returned Scottie. Fox we just had on this, program certainly
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: gained a load of experience last. Year he's looked like
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: a different player this. Year and you're Bringing Mike hawkins
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: from your old stomping grounds In.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no when when we found out That mike had
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: entered the, portal that was that was. Exciting that was
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: something that you, know Coach allie and AND i were
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: able to talk with Coach rodriguez and read. About was just,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: hey you know here here was our experience with, him
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: uh when he was a freshman over At. Oklahoma so you,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: know have a little bit you, know inside knowledge of
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: what we're getting. There but you, know really happy with
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: the way all those guys competed this. Spring that was
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: another position where you, know we just had a ton
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: of injuries going on last. Year SO i DON'T i
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: don't know if we'll ever you, know see a season
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: like that again where you had that many. Injuries but,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: no we're we're really. Excited got a ton of different you,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: know arm talents that uh you know that we have
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: in that. Room you, know different levels of of athleticism
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: and guys that that can run the. Football SO i
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: think everything that you, know we've tried to identify and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: build it out and and bring into uh you know that.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: Room we we have it there and and you know
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: every position that we've talked about here, today you, know
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: really excited with where where the team is.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: At SO i only a final question for you then
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  Speaker 1: with that being, said what so you're kind of like
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  Speaker 1: in some, ways you, know kind of like a chef
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  Speaker 1: bringing all the ingredients, together but then you have to
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  Speaker 1: put them together and they have to come together to
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  Speaker 1: make it sound to. Work what has you most excited
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  Speaker 1: about this upcoming? Season what are you most looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to see when it's game?
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  Speaker 3: Day that's a great. QUESTION i think that the team
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  Speaker 3: that we've assembled here this, year you, know it didn't
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  Speaker 3: take very long to realize just from you, know their
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  Speaker 3: actions in the weight, room their actions and winter conditioning
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  Speaker 3: even ahead of you know getting into the you, know
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  Speaker 3: full on spring, practices that we got a locker room
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  Speaker 3: full of guys that love, football that love the. Process you,
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  Speaker 3: know we got, to Like i've talked about at, nauseum
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  Speaker 3: we've got a variety of different you, know experiences coming
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  Speaker 3: from kind of all over the. Place AND i think you,
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  Speaker 3: know looking, back you, know last year and seeing, okay
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  Speaker 3: we had a team that was that was four and.
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  Speaker 3: Eight how can we learn and how can we grow from?
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  Speaker 3: That you, know you don't have success without having, failure
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  Speaker 3: and SO i think that was a you, know big
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  Speaker 3: thing for us to to. Navigate and you, know we've kind,
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  Speaker 3: of to your, point brought in all the right. Ingredients
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  Speaker 3: we have the coaches to be able to do. It
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  Speaker 3: and you, know beyond just the again threshold of necessary
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  Speaker 3: required talent that you need to have to to play
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  Speaker 3: this game and be able to win in this. League,
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  Speaker 3: man we got a bunch of guys that love football
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  Speaker 3: we got guys, that you, know we got guys that
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  Speaker 3: love to. Work and you, KNOW i think that's the biggest. Thing,
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  Speaker 3: like that's what you know this program is. ABOUT i
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  Speaker 3: think that's what our fans identify with is being a
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  Speaker 3: blue collar, program having that hard, edge, Right that's what
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  Speaker 3: we have this, year so excited about that.
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  Speaker 1: Makes us, excited makes these folks, Excited that's what it's all.
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