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Ep. 867: Foundations - Dealing with the Old Thief of Deer Hunting Joy · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
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Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Foundation's podcast, which is brought
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Speaker 2: to you by First Light. I'm your host, Tony Peterson.
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Speaker 2: In today's episode is all about comparing ourselves to others
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Speaker 2: and that kind of weird disease that seems to have
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Speaker 2: infected whitetail hunters. Absolutely, they didn't really want to do
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Speaker 2: this podcast because it's kind of a little too predictable,
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure it's going to be a little too preachy.
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Speaker 2: But I think the new year and the direction whitetail
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Speaker 2: hunting is kind of going probably makes this a little
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Speaker 2: more palatable for a lot of us. It's also good
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Speaker 2: for us to remind ourselves what matters in deer hunting
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Speaker 2: and how we should probably just watch our own bobbers,
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Speaker 2: as my wife likes to say. So, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: talk about trophies in comparison, in the shitty ways we
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Speaker 2: treat each other, and why all this is leading the
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Speaker 2: you know, some loss and opportunity and just making things worse,
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Speaker 2: kind of just sucking the joy out of the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: A few weeks back, one of my really good buddies
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Speaker 2: and I sat in a hotel room in western Minnesota
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Speaker 2: after a day of falling one bird short of our
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Speaker 2: pheasant limit. It was honestly a great day in the
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Speaker 2: public land cattails. The dog work was incredible. The birds,
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Speaker 2: they're pretty plentiful, and for the most part where we
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Speaker 2: pointed our shotguns, our strings of fives and sixes went.
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Speaker 2: If it wasn't for one last runner that my buddy
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Speaker 2: knocked down that evaded three worn out dogs until the
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Speaker 2: clock ran out, it would have been about as good
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Speaker 2: as you can get. Now. While I don't see him often,
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Speaker 2: when we do get together, it's great. We talked about
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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, and then he mentioned that he
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Speaker 2: was within a few months of a huge buyout at
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Speaker 2: work and that when it came he was punching out
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Speaker 2: forever at the age of forty five. Do you know
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Speaker 2: what I felt in that moment? Peer unadulterated jealousy, envy.
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Speaker 2: This is a guy who has been one of my
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Speaker 2: best friends since we were twelve. I got him into
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Speaker 2: bass fishing and then into bow hunting. We've traveled to
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Speaker 2: so many states and we've worked public land, white tails
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Speaker 2: and turkeys. He watched me shoot my first meal, dear
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Speaker 2: and help me pack it out, and I watched him
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Speaker 2: shoot his and helped him pack it out. We try
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Speaker 2: to go fish in the salt water once a year,
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Speaker 2: and it's pretty tough to find someone who is more
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Speaker 2: of a gamer to do the work and keep a
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Speaker 2: smile on his face the whole time than him. But
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Speaker 2: when he told me he was about to be relatively
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Speaker 2: free financially, boy did it uncage something ugly inside of
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Speaker 2: me that I'm not proud of. My first reaction wasn't
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Speaker 2: to be happy for him, which is what a good
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Speaker 2: human would probably do. My first reaction was to almost
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Speaker 2: be pissed, and that doesn't make me feel great. But
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Speaker 2: then I thought, you know, he's been under a crazy
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Speaker 2: amount of stress for years. To do the job he
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Speaker 2: does at the level he got to, you have to
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Speaker 2: make huge sacrifices. I can remember fishing with him on
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Speaker 2: a small trip to northern Minnesota when we were in
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Speaker 2: our early thirties, and he spent far more time on
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Speaker 2: his phone working than he did casting senkos into the
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Speaker 2: pockets of vegetation looking for a large mouth. I remember
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Speaker 2: thinking during that trip that I wouldn't trade positions with
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Speaker 2: him for the world, and I wouldn't have. But the
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Speaker 2: minute that all of that stress and sacrifice paid off
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Speaker 2: for him, I couldn't help but think why couldn't that
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Speaker 2: be me? But it couldn't, and it never would have been.
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Speaker 2: I didn't have the vision he did to see what
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Speaker 2: it would become, nor the chops to pursue it. His path,
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Speaker 2: his skills, his life situation, his goals, his drive is
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Speaker 2: whatever was a course set far differently from mine. We
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Speaker 2: had damn near the same upbringing and so many of
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Speaker 2: the same shared passions, But the similarities between two people
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Speaker 2: have to end somewhere. It's a poignant lesson on human behavior.
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Speaker 2: And I know you know where I'm going with this.
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Speaker 2: We do with everything in life, and we sure as
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Speaker 2: hell do it with deer hunting. And I don't know
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Speaker 2: if it's worse now than when I started a long
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Speaker 2: time ago, but I think that it is. We have
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Speaker 2: almost no way to not see other people's successes these days.
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Speaker 2: It's everywhere. It's just about everyone is ready and willing
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Speaker 2: to show their success off to the world. Worse than that,
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Speaker 2: everyone else has the ability to weigh in on those
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Speaker 2: other people's lives in a way that is just so unhealthy,
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Speaker 2: or at least it can be now. I spoke about
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Speaker 2: this on a recent Wire to Hunt episode with Mark,
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Speaker 2: but I want to talk about it again because I
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Speaker 2: think it's important. Medeater recently dropped an episode with me
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Speaker 2: taking one of my twin daughters, who was eleven at
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Speaker 2: the time when we filmed it, over to Wisconsin on
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Speaker 2: a combo deer in bear Hunt. A spoiler alert here
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Speaker 2: if you haven't watched it, but the bear hunting was
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Speaker 2: a bust for a few seasons. Nuisance trapping cleared out
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Speaker 2: my best bait site, and the weather just planes sucked
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Speaker 2: for hunting bears. We did have a few little bucks patterned,
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Speaker 2: and when we set out our first evening, I knew
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Speaker 2: there was a decent chance that either a spike or
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Speaker 2: forky would come in, and I kind of expected both
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Speaker 2: of them to. They were our hitlisters because they were
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Speaker 2: the only two bucks I had any consistency on. But
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Speaker 2: do you know who doesn't really want a trophy hunt
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Speaker 2: eleven year old girls who might get two weekends a
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Speaker 2: season to hunt, and who happened to be hunting in
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Speaker 2: a county where ninety percent of the fawns are killed
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Speaker 2: in the first eleven months of their lives, due largely
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Speaker 2: to the fact that the region is infested with coyotes, wolves, bears,
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Speaker 2: and bobcats. Add in Wisconsin's huge hunting culture, which I love,
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Speaker 2: by the way, and I truly mean that, And of course,
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Speaker 2: you know, every person you meet over there, or it
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Speaker 2: seems like it, at least in the northern half of
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Speaker 2: the state, seems to wear camouflage more often than not.
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Speaker 2: In social settings, everybody hunts, you know. Then you have
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Speaker 2: the once every I don't know so many years winter
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Speaker 2: that just grinds the deer down to a pulp and
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Speaker 2: leaves the herd shll of its former self. You just
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Speaker 2: have the toughest place I've ever deer hunted, and I've
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Speaker 2: haunted a lot of places. So when that spike walked in,
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Speaker 2: there was no question whether it was going to get shot.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't my tag, And even though I gave her
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Speaker 2: a little bit of shit and tried to talk her
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Speaker 2: into waiting for that four ky because I knew he
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Speaker 2: was going to come in. It wasn't my call. My
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Speaker 2: daughter killed that spike and she was super happy with herself,
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Speaker 2: and I was real happy with her too, and she
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Speaker 2: should have been happy with herself. But like an idiot,
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Speaker 2: when meat Eater dropped a little teaser from that hunt,
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Speaker 2: I started reading the comments, which is against my personal
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Speaker 2: policy because it is terrible for my mental health. The
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Speaker 2: very first comment was from someone asking why she would
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Speaker 2: shoot that deer instead of letting it go for a
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Speaker 2: bigger one. Not taking things personal is really not my
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Speaker 2: strong suit, and it just blew my mind that someone
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Speaker 2: would suggest an eleven year old girl hunting the big
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Speaker 2: woods of northern Wisconsin should be a trophy hunt. And
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Speaker 2: I also can't help thinking that if eleven year old
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Speaker 2: kid on a show passed up a whole bunch of
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Speaker 2: deer to shoot a big one, the comments probably wouldn't
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Speaker 2: get any better. Sometimes you just can't win, but you
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Speaker 2: can't put yourself in someone else's hunting boots, or at
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Speaker 2: least acknowledge that you might not know a single thing
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Speaker 2: about their situation. You likely don't. I often see field
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Speaker 2: Good posts or here on podcasts with hunters about how
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Speaker 2: hunters are some of the best people out there. That's
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Speaker 2: not true. We are just people who hunt in that
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Speaker 2: mix are great people. Some of my favorite, most giving,
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Speaker 2: most generous people in the world are definitely hunters, which
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Speaker 2: should come as really no surprise since I have heavy
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Speaker 2: exposure to hunters, so the sample is way biased. But
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Speaker 2: some of my least favorite people are hunters too, So
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Speaker 2: I don't know where to go with that other than
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Speaker 2: to acknowledge that maybe it's a human nature thing and
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Speaker 2: not something predicated on whether you own a few trail
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Speaker 2: cameras or not. The thing about this stuff is that
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Speaker 2: it's all so much bullshit wrapped up to justify how
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Speaker 2: we personally want to do things. If you have a
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Speaker 2: sweet lease where you can grow dear and name them
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Speaker 2: and have the time to take off of work to
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Speaker 2: hunt them when the cold fronts move in or the
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Speaker 2: rut is burning hot, that's great. I'm happy for you.
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Speaker 2: But you have nothing in common with a hell of
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Speaker 2: a lot of hunters, and this cuts both ways. If
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Speaker 2: you only hunt public land and would be stoked to
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Speaker 2: arrow a single dough all season long while you're out
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Speaker 2: there with the masses. It's not the lease hunter's fault.
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Speaker 2: Different paths and lives, good luck, bad luck, privilege. There's
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Speaker 2: not equity out there and how life shakes out, and
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Speaker 2: it's a consequence of nature that there never will be.
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Speaker 2: And we've seen many times through humanity where we've tried
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Speaker 2: to force equitable results, and boy does it not work. Well.
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Speaker 2: Let's take that lease hunter in that public land hunter
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Speaker 2: and dive a little deeper. The lease hunter might tell
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Speaker 2: you that his challenge is mature bucks and that he's
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Speaker 2: the one who is responsible because those bucks that reach
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Speaker 2: prime age have spread their genes and you know, lived
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Speaker 2: a good deer life and taking him out when he
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Speaker 2: hits five and a half is the right thing to do.
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Speaker 2: He probably even believes that, but it's mostly just the
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Speaker 2: coat of paint we put over deer hunting to be
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Speaker 2: trophy hunters and not feel bad about it. There's no
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Speaker 2: divorcing that hunter from the antlers he wants, and when
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Speaker 2: those antlers don't stack up to whatever, then that buck
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Speaker 2: who really represents what he says he's out there for.
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Speaker 2: It's a pass. I watched this happen in real time
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Speaker 2: once and it blew my mind. You know, I have
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Speaker 2: a buddy who really talks the trophy talk. But when
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Speaker 2: a incredible older buck walked in during a late season
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Speaker 2: hunt where we were sitting together, that buck got a
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Speaker 2: pass because he had dropped aside already. I told him
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Speaker 2: that that was the mature buck he's been talking about
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Speaker 2: all season long, right there in the flesh within bow range,
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Speaker 2: ready to take an arrow through both lungs. But it
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Speaker 2: wasn't the same buck in his eyes. And that's fine,
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Speaker 2: it's his tag. But maybe we should acknowledge more fully
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Speaker 2: why we do what we do, and maybe that would
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Speaker 2: temper some of our willingness to shit on folks who
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Speaker 2: don't or can't do what we want to do. Personally,
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Speaker 2: then you have that just happy with a dough public
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Speaker 2: land hunter who can throw a pity party with the
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Speaker 2: best of them while also trying to feel superior because
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Speaker 2: he's doing it the hard way. Maybe he really can't
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Speaker 2: get on any private land anywhere near where he lives
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Speaker 2: for some reason, or maybe he just doesn't really try
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Speaker 2: that hard. Maybe it's not a big priority for him
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Speaker 2: the way it is for that lease hunter who goes
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Speaker 2: out and bird dogs till he gets a place that
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Speaker 2: really does something for him. Maybe the public land that
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Speaker 2: public land hunter is on is actually way better than
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Speaker 2: he thinks, because in my experience across so many states,
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Speaker 2: that's almost universally true, even though a lot of people
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Speaker 2: don't want to believe it. Maybe he just doesn't really
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Speaker 2: put it in any scouting time. Maybe he hunts like
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Speaker 2: he's on private land and expects private land results, but
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Speaker 2: that just doesn't work. Maybe there's a million things he
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Speaker 2: could do to have a better season and he just
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Speaker 2: doesn't do them. There's no moral high ground there. It's
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Speaker 2: just the other side of the same coin. What are
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Speaker 2: we doing to each other? I think the best way
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Speaker 2: to look at this is to think about the folks
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Speaker 2: who are generally really supportive and try to avoid this
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Speaker 2: caddy biznatcho bullshit. I've had the good fortune of working
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Speaker 2: with a hell of a lot of dog trainers in
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Speaker 2: my life and have that time has been pretty immersed
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Speaker 2: in that world.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: I know I've talked about this a lot, but one
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Speaker 2: of my favorite people in the world is a fellow
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Speaker 2: named Tom Dowkin, who is maybe the best retriever trainer
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Speaker 2: to ever set foot on the planet. I've spent hundreds,
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Speaker 2: maybe thousands of hours talking to Tom about life and dogs,
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Speaker 2: and I've never heard him say a bad thing about another. True,
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Speaker 2: he doesn't have to. He's been there and done that
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Speaker 2: and has nothing to prove and nothing to gain by
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Speaker 2: taking someone else down. You guys, hear me talk a
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Speaker 2: lot about Andy May. There's a reason for that. I
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Speaker 2: just respect him a ton as a person and of
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Speaker 2: course as a deer hunter. I don't know. You put
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Speaker 2: Andy in Antarctica with a bow and a deer tag
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Speaker 2: and somehow a one sixty would swim across the ocean,
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Speaker 2: show up there, leave a little sign, and Andy would
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Speaker 2: kill him. He would probably only take him about three
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Speaker 2: days too. When you talk to him, he has nothing
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Speaker 2: to prove to anyone else. He's proving things to himself
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Speaker 2: and he always will be. He's not the kind of
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Speaker 2: guy to question why an eleven year old girl would
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Speaker 2: gladly whack a spike buck, and it wouldn't make sense
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Speaker 2: to him to even think about it other than that's
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Speaker 2: just a net positive for hunting in general. His journey
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Speaker 2: is impressive, easily one of the most impressive of anyone
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Speaker 2: who has ever bought a deer tag. But it's is
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Speaker 2: and if you want to emulate someone, emulate him, think
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Speaker 2: about this stuff for yourself. I talk a lot about
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Speaker 2: goals and trying to find some way in the outdoors
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Speaker 2: to fill our cups, so to speak. And I think
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Speaker 2: when you see a guy like him, he's just one
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Speaker 2: of the few who has it figured out at least somewhat.
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Speaker 2: He knows what he needs to do to keep silencing
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Speaker 2: that inner critic, even though the voice always comes back
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Speaker 2: and always will need another lesson and just shutting the
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Speaker 2: hell up for a little bit. So what do you
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Speaker 2: need to do. It's not take a look at others
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Speaker 2: and wonder why they can do what you can't. Is
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Speaker 2: to look at yourself and wonder, what can I do
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Speaker 2: that I think I can't do, or what can I
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Speaker 2: do that I really just want to, but I think
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Speaker 2: I shouldn't because of what others will think. What can
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Speaker 2: we do to stop comparing ourselves to others? And what
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Speaker 2: is essentially a solo journey that we are so damn
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Speaker 2: lucky to get to take. The answer to that question
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Speaker 2: will change over time. It'll change by the season and
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Speaker 2: by the day. It's fluid and nuanced like life. This
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Speaker 2: is one of the reasons why so many hunters are
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Speaker 2: generally so unhappy with their hunting right now. If you
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Speaker 2: decide that you want to keep up with the deer
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Speaker 2: hunting joneses and start the season with the goal of
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Speaker 2: a one forty or bust, take a hard look at
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Speaker 2: what that goal will mean for you, and then think
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Speaker 2: about how it affects you as the actual hunting season
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Speaker 2: comes and goes. What if the days you have off,
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Speaker 2: you know, the ones you marked on the calendar weeks
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Speaker 2: in advance, mostly you just end up with the wind
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Speaker 2: you didn't think you were going to get, or there's
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Speaker 2: a little too much sun and heat and not enough
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Speaker 2: cold fronts. Or what if your kid surprisingly makes a
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Speaker 2: traveling sports team and your weekend hunting time gets cut
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Speaker 2: in half in an instant. What's important to you on
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Speaker 2: your journey? Then maybe the goal still is, Or maybe
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Speaker 2: you suddenly realize that while you're sitting out there that
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Speaker 2: mature bucks are real cool, but so is that ninety
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Speaker 2: seven inch eight pointer that is feeding his way towards
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Speaker 2: you in the row of beans fifteen yards out, and
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Speaker 2: that you you'd love to make a really great shot
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Speaker 2: on a deer and not have the pressure of finding
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Speaker 2: time to hunt closer to the rut, and boy does
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Speaker 2: he look delicious and wouldn't it just be fun to
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Speaker 2: shoot him? In that case, airw that son of a bitch,
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Speaker 2: throw a pair of middle fingers up in the air
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Speaker 2: and be proud of it. You did something that most
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Speaker 2: hunters won't do this season, even though if you look
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Speaker 2: at social media too much, you might be convinced that
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Speaker 2: you literally killed the smallest buck anyone killed in your
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Speaker 2: state during the entire season. And that means not only
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Speaker 2: that you're a terrible hunter, but also a terrible human
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Speaker 2: and you know, probably has the tiniest manhood in all
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Speaker 2: the land and should probably just go live under a
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Speaker 2: bridge with all the other outcasts who shoot young bucks
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Speaker 2: like a bunch of losers who can't kill the deer
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Speaker 2: someone else thinks they're supposed to. Sorry, folks, I get
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Speaker 2: a little fired up on this stuff. I love deer
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Speaker 2: like you, and I think it's just a gift that
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Speaker 2: they are out there, and for the most part, if
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Speaker 2: you put in a minimum amount of effort, you can
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Speaker 2: at least hunt them anywhere they live. And getting to
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Speaker 2: hunt them at all is what really matters, not what
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Speaker 2: you kill. What doesn't matter is how other folks hunt
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Speaker 2: them or what other folks choose to fill their tag on.
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Speaker 2: And if someone argues with you that you shouldn't have
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Speaker 2: whacked that two year old beanfield muncher because it took
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Speaker 2: a future trophy away from someone else, just let it go.
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Speaker 2: It's not worth it. Every deer we shoot takes a
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Speaker 2: deer away from someone else, sort of, just like every
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Speaker 2: deer we try to hoard on our properties kind of
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Speaker 2: takes a deer away from someone else maybe, And yet
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Speaker 2: they are always out there waiting to be hunted somewhere
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Speaker 2: by someone. And if that someone is happy with the
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Speaker 2: deer that walks down the trail, who are we to
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Speaker 2: decide they are wrong. That's just bananas to me, just
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Speaker 2: as it is to get caught up in comparing ourselves
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Speaker 2: and our own successes and failures to other folks who
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Speaker 2: are undoubtedly, unquestionably on a different journey, a journey that's
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Speaker 2: just wrought with totally different circumstances. Some of us get
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Speaker 2: to retire early, some don't. Some shoot one hundred and
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Speaker 2: sixty inch bucks without burning a calorie, while others will
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Speaker 2: never ever see a deer of that caliber out in
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Speaker 2: the wild. That's how it goes. But at the root
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Speaker 2: of it is the reality that we get to do
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Speaker 2: our own thing for ourselves, and we should be happy
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Speaker 2: about that. We should try to be the kinds of
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Speaker 2: good people that hunters are supposed to be, the ones
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Speaker 2: we talk about when we want to portray our ranks
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Speaker 2: as just a little kinder, a little more giving than
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Speaker 2: the general population. That's a good goal to have. I think,
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Speaker 2: think about that and then come back next week because
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Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about something I'm pretty deep into
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Speaker 2: right now, which is how to find a new state
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Speaker 2: to hunt this fall, and how to find a place
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Speaker 2: to hunt in that state, which is really a process
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Speaker 2: that has changed a hell of a lot in the
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Speaker 2: last five or ten years. That's it for this week.
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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Peterson. This has been the Wire to Hunt
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Speaker 2: Foundation's podcast. I just want to thank you guys so much.
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Speaker 2: This podcast has gone on way longer than I expect
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Speaker 2: it to and it really means so much to me.
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Speaker 2: All the support. It's crazy. If you have Mark and
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Speaker 2: I here at Meat Eater at Wired to Hunt. We
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Speaker 2: love you guys, we really do, and we appreciate everything
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Speaker 2: that you've done for us. If you're sitting there in
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