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EDP66: Double Race Recap - Eoin's 5000m / Ryan's HBF / Xiamen Diamond League / LA Track Festival + more · Easy Double podcast

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  Yeah. Lace them up another way.
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  Another easy double. Yeah.
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  From the track to the rodeo we talk that talk splits on the
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  watch but we still take the Mick.
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  Dean in Perth with the long run. Legs 1 brings the fire when the
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  session gets thick. Ryan in the mix with the numbers
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  and plans from ever Sauce the medals.
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  Yeah, we break it all down. Hard graft Monday left about a
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  Sunday. Still chasing?
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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 66.
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  We've got a very big show in order with results coming from
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  Brussels where Owen was on the ground in the IFAM meet.
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  We've got the Jimin Diamond League in China, the second
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  rendition of the Diamond League this season, we've got the HBF
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  Run in Perth, we might touch on the Cape Town Marathon, Sound
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  Run in LA, Track Festival and the European 10,000 Meter Cup
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  over in Italy. Before we did start, I just
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  wanted to offer our thoughts and condolences to the friends and
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  family of the runner who tragically lost their life at
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  HBF Run yesterday. It's terribly sad news to come
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  from such a great event. So fellas, Monday evening,
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  Monday afternoon for you, Owen, maybe we'll start with you.
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  You've made it back to the homeland safely.
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  Yeah, made it back in one piece. Pretty, pretty tired.
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  My schedule was all out of whack over the last couple of days.
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  But no, made it back and you'll be delighted to know the Irish
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  heat wave has landed. Yeah, I'd say the whole
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  country's at the beach at the moment.
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  It's clear blue skies and yeah, it's pretty warm.
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  Can can we ask how warm is warm? At the moment it's 24° and
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  that's the equivalent of like a 38 in Perth.
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  You know, believe it or not, in the world or Liverpool, for
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  those who don't understand the world, they've got a high of
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  3030, so they do. You believe it?
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  It's very, very warm. Wow, but like in.
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  Brussels at the weekend, it was like 26 to 29 just cooking.
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  Do you enjoy summer? I went.
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  Do you? Are you enjoying the weather?
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  I would have liked like a little slow build up to this, like
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  literally went from like 1 extreme to the other.
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  And so it was a shock to the system.
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  Yeah, and all the heat adoption I'd done over my two years in
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  Australia as well and truly gone, put it that way.
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  Are you trying to get up earlier now to try and avoid the the
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  weather or just run when you run?
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  Well, two hours. I'm extremely tired so I didn't
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  even run today. I'm just in recovery mode.
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  But no, no, it's not too. It's not that bad.
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  Yeah, then don't, don't fall for it.
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  This is one day on my weather app for Liverpool.
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  Next Wednesday, it's back to a high of 13.
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  That's crazy. But like this is people have
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  such trouble planning their annual leave and stuff because
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  you can't pre book leave in July or August now and you get a nice
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  weather. It's just a lottery, isn't?
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  It and then like if your book leave and it's warm in Ireland,
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  you feel guilty. You're like, oh, I didn't even
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  need a book. I'm wasting it.
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  True. They're lucky in England today
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  though, it's public holiday so it's arrived on the perfect day
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  for them. How are you getting on as well,
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  Dean? Doing well, going OK and.
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  We got some nice news over the weekend that the DZ double
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  singlets had landed. Bix had received the order in
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  person and they'll be doing to be get the handover this week
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  and we'll get the shipments out for all those who participated
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  in the Patreon pre-order. We have big drop, so yeah, no
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  thanks to Vicks as well for for assisting with that massive help
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  as they are as we mentioned throughout our episodes.
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  But yeah, excited to put them on.
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  Yeah, you may have seen it on my back on the weekend, which was
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  was actually A cause for concern at one point, you know, because
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  the start and the finish is in a different location and I hadn't
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  arranged that. I think they offer like a
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  backdrop facility if you go earlier in the week where
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  they'll take your belongings to the finish.
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  And because it's actually quite cool in Perth at the minute, I
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  was like, Oh no, I'm going to finish and be quite cold and
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  have nothing to to put on. You live 2 KS, You live 2 KS
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  from the finish line, right? Yeah, yeah, about 1500 meters.
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  I made it home safely. This has got shades of Owen
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  getting driven downhill on his reps about it.
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  I actually remember the city to surf.
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  So you have to choke all you leave your gear in the city and
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  you run out to the beach. And like after that race I was
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  put like full on like cold shakes.
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  I had nothing. I had to go and buy another
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  T-shirt and then I was so sad when my race I just walked along
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  the coastline until Aiden came down to pick me up, which took
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  ages because the traffic was all backed up.
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  Thinking about how you got out kicked.
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  Yeah, Spy. Is mad in that Gloucester park
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  afterwards that you don't realize that many people live in
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  Perth, let alone like do one race.
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  It's a it's a big deal. You you get excited to have a
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  punt next Friday night. Did it get you that in Toast I.
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  Was yeah. I was trying to analyze how the
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  going was. The 800 meters around.
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  Well that that's one of the things yes you come into that
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  come into that bloody. I should have asked you about
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  this. When you come into the truck
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  park that like you can see the finishes over the other side.
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  But because it's not a 400 meter track, it's a dog racing, horse
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  racing circuit, whatever it is. I didn't know, like how far was
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  left to go. Yeah.
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  Yeah, you kick, though it looks like you might have taken a few
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  scalps towards the end. We're probably jumping ahead
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  here. Yeah, there's, there is a bit of
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  a story behind that. I'll, I'll explain.
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  Yeah. On the singlets.
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  On the singlets, I actually debuted my one.
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  I brought him. No, you didn't.
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  I didn't race it out, but I didn't race in it.
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  But I jogged in on the Sunday. What do you think?
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  Oh, boys, they're nice. They are.
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  I show and you know Adam Nathan, he listens to the podcast.
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  Yeah, he I jogged with him and I've shown him the material and
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  he's he's like what? It's like it's very exact same
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  as another brand. But yeah, it's crazy.
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  Super, super nice. Love that.
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  It's cool. We'll get them on the airplane
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  ASAP to. Actually, my coach is looking
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  for one. Yep.
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  So we'll make sure it's on route.
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  Right then let's start with the running results which are
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  coincidentally sponsored and brought to you by Bix Nutrition.
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  And we'll start in Belgium, where I was racing himself.
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  So I'll just go through some notable names throughout, like
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  the 5K and the 1500. They were like the ones I sort
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  of stayed around and watched and yeah, pretty fast times in the
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  men's 15, The men's 5000 meters, probably the most notable name,
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  Phillip Bingo Bryson was actually running.
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  So it's pretty cool seeing him. He came second in a 1330.
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  Another note we mentioned was Andy Bouchard from Scotland, UK
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  and he came seventh in 1332 and then 14th. 1st Irish home was at
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  Niall Murphy. He'd a big PB.
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  He ran at 1337, which is, yes, Savage gone.
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  Did I say that? Is it Andy Bouchard?
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  Did he, did he qualify? Did he run a standard or
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  something to compete for Scotland in the COM games?
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  Is that what he was talking about there?
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  Yeah, but it's that sounded very soft if he's running 1332 and
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  getting it. Yeah, I couldn't quite make
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  sense of it, but I guess it might.
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  It's interesting. Our standards, our being the
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  Aussie standards have been I think set pretty because the
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  team, remember we're talking about it, they said need to send
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  a smaller team. We were thinking that the stands
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  would be quite hard to achieve. Not to say that 1332 is anything
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  to sniff at, but if we're talking world times at the
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  minute, what's at 1301 to quote to like is like the auto queue
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  for world champs. Yeah, so I'd say like, it's his
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  home, it's in Scotland, isn't it?
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  Yeah. So I'd say, I know they might
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  try and make a lot of Scottish, like send a full team basically.
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  So true standard, a little bit liar.
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  That was going to say about Ingridson as well.
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  It's funny, I've never really looked at him weirdly and
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  thought he looks like Jacob but then when I seen him clip of him
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  running just reminded me of Jacob so much.
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  Which is completely unsurprising.
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  Like they're literally brothers. But also like nice to see him
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  running. Like he's still pretty fast
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  isn't he? You forget.
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  It's crazy like that's they're like probably their base level.
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  Yeah. Like he's able to just not get a
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  1330 because he's had really bad hamstring issues.
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  Was it or something like that? Yeah, I think so.
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  And but he's been out for a long time.
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  But he former is a European champion, I think because in,
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  you know, the 1500. Yeah, on the women's side,
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  actually, Megan Keith done all the work in this one.
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  And then I forget the other girl's name, but she just had
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  kicked her with like 150 meters ago.
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  It was actually pretty, pretty. Not like sportsman like and like
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  he literally LED every single lap.
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  So she ran 1454, which, yeah, against super run and four
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  seventh was Laura Muir, which was nice to see her back on the
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  circuit. Stepping up to the 5K.
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  She ran fifteen O 7 and then 16th was team Macau's India Weir
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  in a 1526, which again, like for her first 5K of the year, it's
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  it's not too bad like it was. I hate giving excuses but it was
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  warm like so all these times are very good.
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  You'd think that Megan Keith and Laura Mule, they'll both have
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  Scotland vest on in the Comm games as well, one way or
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  another. Surely, surely, Laura Mirror.
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  She's from Scotland. Is she or?
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  Yeah. OK, cool.
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  The Senior man 1500 and James McMurray came second in this.
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  So he's a Hoka elite from the UK and he ran a PB of 334.9 which
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  yeah, big one from him seventh was a Scott B and A33886 and
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  then call Nelson was also in that race in a 340.9.
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  So this was like 4 seconds faster for from Callum Nelson
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  from his like debut in Belfast or season opener in Belfast.
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  So he'll be happy with that. And regarding Scott BI think
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  he's just off his PB. His PB is 337 and this is just
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  basically a Ross Buster. He's going to umm them Pavo
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  known know me games or something in.
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  No, no me. Guys, that 5K is going to see
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  some mountain of boys under 13 minutes.
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  It is going to be ridiculous. Umm, so yeah.
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  Is that in like 1 of the? Is it like Finland?
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  Is that Finland? Finland, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So umm, yeah. Be super eager to see what that
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  I think it's next week or the week after that.
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  And were you were you able to physically watch all of these
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  races whilst you were like down at the track?
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  So there the way it was, there was like with the with the five
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  KS or with the 1500s that was on she on the Sunday.
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  So I could watch all the 1500s but the five KS.
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  So the main program 5K was on ash a little bit after 9 and
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  there was 3 heats in that and then it was the after program 5
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  KS and there was like 6 or 7 heats in that.
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  So yeah, it went on like late into the into Sunday morning.
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  But yeah, it was good. It was just so warm.
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  It just wasn't fun to just sit in the stand.
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  And yeah, it's just not not built for it anymore.
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  The heat in the women, Jayla Hancock, Cameron came across and
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  she came first in a four O 6 low.
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  So yeah, she took the win there. And then third was UK's modeling
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  Molly Hudson, who are on a four O 7.27.
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  So yeah, they were just notable names that people might know.
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  Other than that, it was like French or German that I haven't
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  a clue who they are, but they're still like, yeah, pretty fast.
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  That Molly, she's not training partner of Keely, but she's like
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  best friends or good friends with her I think.
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  Yeah, 407 like that's good season opener.
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  Also Jayla Hancock, Cameron, like I don't think she's going
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  to end up getting selected for the Comm games in any
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  discipline. So frisbee over in Europe now.
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  Like she must just be planning on doing a European summer,
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  wasn't she? Absolutely.
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  There's so many races, like it's only when I'm over here now
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  realizing there is so many races on lads, it's ridiculous.
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  It's actually hard to. Actually, every week.
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  Yeah, yeah. From now until like August, just
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  bang, bang, bang. Every week, midweek.
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  Yeah, it's crazy. Overwhelming for you?
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  Well, I think I've only got 2, so I'm sort of sat in stone what
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  I'm doing. Will we save talking about your
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  result until your little recap and then you do your full recap
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  on the No agenda show or what you think?
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  Well, I give a little recap here, yeah.
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  Yeah, go for it. Where?
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  Yeah, so again I was, I think it was the lads in the main 5000.
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  I started warming up on that sort of started with the way
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  this meat worked is like I could see who was entered and there
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  was like 100 and like 97 people entered in the after program and
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  it went from like 14 flat to 15 flat and they. 190 people in
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  that bracket. Yeah.
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  It's, it's crazy how stacked it is.
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  Like, yeah. That's so cool.
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  And so on the day of your race, your little timetable and you
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  had to check in, I think I had to check in before like 20 past
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  8. I had to check in before 8:20.
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  And so then they meet, can see who's checked in and then they
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  dish out the heats. So I actually, I had a ballpark
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  of when I was running, but I didn't 100% know when basically.
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  So it was sort of hard when you're normally like, you know
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  what time you're racing and you can like take your nomio, your
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  bicarb. So I just played it safe and
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  just took it a little bit earlier than normal.
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  So yeah, you had to have your entry.
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  You had to sign in before 8:50 and then the heats were ready at
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  9:20. And then the first rate, the
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  first event in the after program 5K was a 10:20.
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  So you had it basically an hour between.
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  Yeah. However, the heats weren't
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  released until I'm going to say 9:45.
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  So a little bit like, I don't know, it just felt weird.
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  Like when you on you normally know like I'm very rigid.
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  Like I make a note on my phone, I take this and this and this.
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  I'm warming up. Then I've it all like planned
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  out to like the minutes and so that was a little bit stressful.
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  Umm, but yeah, eventually I got my heat, I was happy with it and
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  then they were running a little bit behind.
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  It's like I had my pressure. On, although they end up giving
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  you it. I think we started, we were on
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  the track for half 11 at night. And so I think it started like
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  25 to 12 or something like that. It was very, very, yeah, a
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  unique. It's hard to get yourself going
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  at that time. And so yeah, anyway, went out
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  there was like 30 in the heat as well, so very big fields.
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  So went out anyway. And I was very conservative and
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  the 1st 200 were conservative. I went through in a 32 and I was
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  like nearly at the back. So they had the boys went out
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  hard. And then I'd planned to go off a
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  little bit easier and work my way through and I basically done
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  that. It's just it was so, so strung
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  out. 32 is pretty spicy though, right?
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  Yeah, exactly. So what the front lines going
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  through and like 2830, yeah. So, umm, ideally, if the field
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  is smaller, you can gauge your effort better because I can see
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  like how far back I am, whereas it was just a big train.
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  Umm, so and like you couldn't even see the timing.
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  Do you know that the timing things on the side of the track?
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  Because like I was on the outside of lane one and there
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  was like like a crowded people in front of you.
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  Like you actually just couldn't see.
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  So you're sort of running blind. But anyway, like I didn't do too
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  bad. Like I felt good.
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  I sort of slowly moved through the field.
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  I just ideally would have been like to be a bit further.
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  And yeah, came home in 1415. So it's a track PB, but yeah, it
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  is what it is. Brussels.
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  Tiny bit of a shit hole, mostly going back.
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  But yeah, I'm the Belgian listeners.
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  The the race itself though, based on because where did you
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  finish maybe 9th or so there? I was 7th and within all of the.
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  Yeah. For I was 99th.
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  Yeah. Well is that, is that right
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  between all You see all the people say that.
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  So between the main program, all the people around the male 5 Ki
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  was 99, yeah. And then but then of the in your
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  race though, like because you unfortunately you unfortunately
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  couldn't put in say 1415 as a say time you put in what 1430?
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  But 14? But it didn't play out too badly
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  in the sense of like when I looked at the results, it was it
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  looked and it rains like it was quite close some of these guys.
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  Yeah, yeah, like I was in the cracked heat, like it was grand
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  and the win around like 1407. Yeah.
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  So like it was pretty good. It's just I had like two more.
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  Like I think I finished, I finished like a 62.
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  So like had like I probably had like a great yeah, but leads me
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  to believe like I had more in the race.
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  I could have gave a little bit more in the race.
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  But you only just is only second up from a you know it's on the
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  second race back, right? It's sort of.
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  Yeah, that's my first five Ki was thinking it's my first track
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  5K since last August or. You need like 3, you know, I
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  like to, to work out how much you can, how much is the right
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  amount to suffer, you know, like it's not, it's a strange feeling
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  because it feels too fast, but then it's not maybe fast enough,
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  you know? Yeah.
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  So yeah. And how do like 6860 sevens feel
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  in the middle of a race? Umm, it was more like because I
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  made-up like a lot on the last lap it's more like 696869 yeah I
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  don't think I hit 70. It was mostly like 60 nines.
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  Umm look, it was it was weird like I wouldn't say they felt
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  comfortable. I thought they would have felt
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  easier. Umm but yeah like they're.
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  So the whole weekend was it was it was a wild weekend as which
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  I'll go into in the no agenda show.
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  But yeah, look, I can't really complain.
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  Like a few little things could have went better.
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  But like there's an another Belgian meet on the week after
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  nationals. I think it's the first week of
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  August and like I won't be doing that 100% because apparently
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  that's on later. Like I just find it very hard to
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  get yourself up. Like you're waiting around all
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  day. It was so warm.
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  It was just very hard to it just wasn't ideal.
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  Basically like even the fact that like you to full day's food
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  in your in your sis. I don't know.
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  It's just if I wouldn't have done it again.
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  Yeah, like if I knew it was on that late, I probably wouldn't
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  have done it in the first place. Like I did not realize it's
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  going to be freaking 25 to 12. Like doing your cooldown the
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  next day. Basically I've done my cooldown.
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  It was like Sunday morning. Learning experience nonetheless.
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  And I mean like it's. No one can tell you that a.
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  Time that you're not amazed, amazed with yourself is a great
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  time if you don't want it to be bought. 1415 is incredibly fast.
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  So yeah, if if you're not happy with that, then that's a sign of
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  where you're at in your own head, isn't it?
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  Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. So no, look, I'm still going in
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  the right direction, thank God. And I think I was, I was the
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  second Irish. So only a manual Murphy was like
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  faster of the iris that went over, which is yeah, no, it's
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  all right. And the results page, how cool
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  in terms of the the lists in terms of because it has which
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  country represented. Yeah, yeah, it is pretty cool.
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  My, it was so cool seeing all the different nationalities.
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  Like I definitely seen someone from like nearly every country
• 22:45
  in Europe there. It was so, so cool.
• 22:47
  And like the whole vibe, like you just see runners everywhere.
• 22:50
  It's yeah, cool. So in in your full recap on the
• 22:55
  No Agenda show, we get the whole travel experience.
• 22:58
  Sounds like there's a few few stories heading there.
• 23:01
  Yeah, fucking ball like got dropped into the ghetto.
• 23:06
  I got dropped into the ghetto basically.
• 23:09
  That's what happens when you book your accommodation on low
• 23:12
  to high, which is why I'm usually there as well.
• 23:19
  Yeah. And I'll go more into like how I
• 23:21
  felt in the race and the split and all.
• 23:23
  Yeah, there was. There was more, a little bit
• 23:24
  more to it. All right, HBF then, which was
• 23:29
  about a. Kilometer away from where I
• 23:33
  live. So for contacts for people
• 23:36
  overseas listeners, this is one of Perth's biggest fun runs or
• 23:40
  charity runs. But as with that become that
• 23:43
  comes the like the serious end of the field and people like us
• 23:47
  and race it as well. So I think there's for a record
• 23:51
  40,000 participants this weekend split across 3 distances, which
• 23:55
  is a three KA12K which is a bit of a random distance and a half
• 24:01
  marathon. So the half marathon was the 1st
• 24:06
  event to kick off I think 6:30 in the morning and they had
• 24:11
  about 8500, which is like a lot of people really.
• 24:17
  And the men's race was won by Luke Burroughs in 6554, followed
• 24:23
  by Matt Smith 2nd place 6646 and 3rd place Andrew Hellbush 6652.
• 24:31
  Andrew is coached by Zander who done the lactate chat with me a
• 24:36
  couple weeks back. Nick Thompson, professional
• 24:40
  triathlete was also in fourth place and 5th place James
• 24:44
  O'Neill, triathlete from front runner as well running 67 and 69
• 24:48
  respectively. So add them more evidence to the
• 24:52
  claim that these triathletes can actually run.
• 24:56
  Female winner and a half marathon was near a jarab in one
• 25:01
  hour 1927 Rebecca toward the chap.
• 25:05
  Rebecca toward the club. Club in one hour 2106 Sorry
• 25:10
  Rebecca and Jules Bennett that Jules is front runner athlete as
• 25:15
  well. One hour 2129 Lauren French 4th
• 25:18
  and Kenneth Rogers first. So yeah those guys set off 6:00
• 25:24
  AM they would go out and back like 5 Ki think it is down the
• 25:28
  river there on Mount Bay Road and then pretty much join the
• 25:34
  rest of the 12 K course. So the 12 K is do the last 12 K
• 25:40
  of the half marathon. Half marathon is go out and do a
• 25:43
  10K beforehand, which means that. 12K has started.
• 25:48
  What time was it? 815, which is lucky because I
• 25:52
  was I was up at like half forks. I got into my own head about
• 25:57
  this nitrate thing and I started Googling about this brushing
• 26:01
  your teeth conspiracy, which I was telling you about Owen.
• 26:04
  And apparently if you brush your teeth after having the nitrate,
• 26:10
  it like neutralizes the bloody reaction that turns the nitrate
• 26:14
  into whatever the hell it does in your blood.
• 26:18
  So the advice was you need to brush your teeth beforehand so
• 26:24
  that like it's out the way because obviously you don't want
• 26:26
  to be going to a race having not brush your teeth full stop.
• 26:30
  So you also need to leave enough time between brushing your teeth
• 26:34
  and having the shot that like all the what's in the chemical
• 26:40
  and toothpaste like alkaline, is it all of that's kind of
• 26:43
  dissipated. So you need to create this
• 26:45
  stupid window. I'm there at half four in the
• 26:47
  morning, brushing my teeth. Is this all through Mr. ChatGPT?
• 26:55
  Like how did you? Yeah, Sammy, I don't know why
• 27:01
  I'm even talking about this. I was trying to do the 12K
• 27:03
  results. Now this is fine.
• 27:08
  I was trying to maximize the benefit of this nitrate shop
• 27:11
  anyway, and then because Gnomeo has to fit into the window as
• 27:16
  well. Oh, it's just getting
• 27:18
  overcomplicated, isn't? It oh, this is to Owen's point
• 27:22
  about when they alter the race schedule.
• 27:25
  We've got that many different. Can you imagine the stress I was
• 27:28
  under trying to time or like I didn't even know what he always
• 27:31
  in because I'd they, they put me in seated at the start as a
• 27:36
  1430, but then I tried to get my Belfast time, which is the
• 27:39
  equivalent of a 1415. So I didn't even know what he
• 27:42
  said I was going to be in. And yeah, it was an absolute
• 27:45
  disaster. Well, because of the, the
• 27:50
  terrible medical emergency that had happened in the half
• 27:53
  marathon, we were all stood on the start line waiting to start
• 27:57
  for the 12 K and they delayed the start because, like, the
• 28:01
  ambulance was out there and whatever.
• 28:03
  And we obviously had no idea that that was going on.
• 28:05
  But me and Luke were saying like, oh, on, on.
• 28:10
  No, mere window is like passing now.
• 28:16
  So I think some of these supplements, yeah, they're
• 28:18
  starting to get into our heads a little bit too much maybe.
• 28:22
  You may better off just skipping it if it's if you don't know
• 28:25
  what time it's not set in stone and just scrap it.
• 28:29
  That'll just take 2. Yeah, but the the 12K race and
• 28:35
  the results. Reese Harris won in 3753 from
• 28:39
  Dante Armstrong in 3803, Lachlan L Ansari in 3811, yours truly
• 28:47
  Ryan Greenwood in 4th 3821 and Liam Darbengo 5th 3822.
• 28:53
  You see, I had to read 5 names out so I could include myself in
• 28:58
  the first. Non podium getter best loser.
• 29:02
  The women Debbie Donald won in 4334, Jackie Artus second and
• 29:07
  4436 and Amy Buckingham third in 4440.
• 29:12
  LB Hanson and Adele Gleason 4th and 5th and 18,000 people done
• 29:17
  the 12 K which is. A.
• 29:20
  Little bit surprising to me that there was so many more people
• 29:23
  would choose to do the 12 Ki know it's a little bit more
• 29:26
  accessible for kind of like the last serious runners in that
• 29:29
  it's not having to do a full half marathon.
• 29:32
  But my kind of like take on it is you don't you don't get
• 29:38
  anything solid to take away from it in the half marathon.
• 29:42
  You get 1/2 marathon PB was 12 K.
• 29:46
  It's kind of neither here nor there.
• 29:48
  But anyway, I guess this event happens every year in Perth.
• 29:52
  So people just compare their 2026 time to their 2025 time.
• 29:59
  There's also 3K, which I think is largely done by like juniors
• 30:03
  and families and they do a slightly different route.
• 30:06
  They just dash down the terrace. I don't have the results of that
• 30:11
  to hand. But I'm going on.
• 30:15
  Yeah, I was just going to ask you, how did your race plan out?
• 30:18
  Like, how'd you feel? Oh well, I know.
• 30:24
  I guess I'm not too not embarrassed to say when I was
• 30:28
  stood there on the start line and there was like, there's no
• 30:32
  share though. There's no Rambo looking around
• 30:36
  like I don't know, do you dare to dream?
• 30:39
  Like if if say like I hadn't have thought about the prospect
• 30:44
  or the opportunity that there's a potential to win, I would have
• 30:48
  walked away. And then like you potentially
• 30:52
  missed an opportunity where you didn't even like give yourself
• 30:55
  the chance to think about what might happen out there or what
• 30:59
  you might have to do to have a shot at it.
• 31:01
  And like, imagine how much regret you would have if you'd
• 31:04
  like, just didn't even realize there was an opportunity
• 31:07
  basically. So I was aware that the
• 31:10
  basically there wasn't anyone standout who was clearly going
• 31:14
  to run away with it. But then after 100 meters, it
• 31:18
  looked like there was because Reese put 20 meters into
• 31:22
  everyone else. And we're all clearly looking
• 31:24
  around at each other, like too scared to do anything about it.
• 31:27
  And Reese being like crazy triathlete, he's just gone.
• 31:31
  Well, if no one else wants to win it, I'm going to go and win
• 31:33
  it. And yeah, it goes 5 seconds
• 31:36
  ahead instantly. And then there's a Chase pack
• 31:39
  of, I think there was seven or eight of us what ran together
• 31:42
  for like 3 or 4K, all perhaps assumingly or arrogantly
• 31:48
  thinking maybe Reese might come back.
• 31:51
  And particularly when I see him that he done that 125 K ride on
• 31:56
  the Saturday, I was like, there is no chance he's going to hold
• 32:00
  this. Which one of us in this Chase
• 32:03
  Park is going to be strongest to go and win the race at the end?
• 32:07
  But after about 5K and 6K7K, the gap is slowly extending and
• 32:13
  you're like starting to realize that he has got it in his
• 32:16
  locker. So yeah, I was incredibly
• 32:19
  impressed with Reese's run there.
• 32:23
  How did you feel? I always find that part when
• 32:26
  you're coming out of the tunnel challenging to stay engaged and
• 32:31
  often the pack can splinter a bit if there is one.
• 32:33
  How did you find that part? Yes, So you pre warned me about
• 32:37
  that, hadn't you like the kind of coming out of the tunnel as
• 32:40
  one of the toughest parts? And when we went into the
• 32:44
  tunnel, Liam Dardango, I think no Liam Camus do went on the
• 32:48
  front and looked like he was trying to bridge this gap to
• 32:52
  Reese because I think the tunnel is a slight incline as well and
• 32:57
  it's a bit warmer in there, isn't it?
• 33:00
  So I was like, OK, let's make the most of the opportunity that
• 33:04
  he's trying to close the gap and try to help him out.
• 33:08
  And then once we came out, the hill kind of continues extending
• 33:13
  a little bit, doesn't it? And I did recognize that maybe
• 33:17
  there was eight of us up to that point.
• 33:20
  And then if you towards the front of the group, obviously
• 33:23
  you can't see who's in in it or who isn't in it, but you can
• 33:27
  kind of hear the difference between 10 people and five
• 33:30
  people. So like because we carried on
• 33:34
  press in a little bit, I think a couple of people shook off there
• 33:38
  and one guy even stepped off. That's only about 4K and he said
• 33:42
  to the front of the park, LED it for like 100 meters and then
• 33:46
  just stepped off. And because in the group there
• 33:49
  was like 3 or 4 lads in Rams vests.
• 33:52
  I was like shit of these organized themselves a pacemaker
• 33:56
  for 4K to get them through the sun.
• 33:59
  But they will deny that. So yet then, yeah, once we
• 34:04
  crested that hill, I was kind of going pretty strong down the
• 34:09
  downhill, but always just using reefs and the gap as a reference
• 34:13
  as to how well we were going or not, and the gap just wasn't
• 34:16
  changing. It's hard to kind of use you
• 34:19
  watch as a gauge for effort or pace because it's kind of
• 34:23
  undulate and you've just been in the tunnel.
• 34:25
  Your GPS is skewed. I was using heart rate mainly
• 34:30
  and the gap which wasn't giving me much positive feedback
• 34:33
  despite the effort level rising and the heart rate rising.
• 34:37
  Was it? Was it a bit higher?
• 34:39
  Was it noticeably higher than bridges?
• 34:42
  Yeah, I think so, because I looked in the tunnel and it was
• 34:46
  maybe 170, like 2 or something. I was like, oh, I mean, this is
• 34:52
  OK if it stays here, but if it's going to do the natural drift,
• 34:56
  then I might be in trouble at some point.
• 34:59
  But by that point I was also like, well, I'm kind of in the
• 35:02
  race, so fuck it, let's just race the race and then I won't
• 35:05
  have any regrets. I'll just know I've overcooked
• 35:08
  it slightly and it was a conscious decision to do so, so
• 35:12
  I can live with them. Consequences.
• 35:14
  And then yeah, once we come off by Optus, Liam, Camus, do I
• 35:19
  think he knew his chance at kind of being successful was to make
• 35:24
  it hard for people before it got towards the end.
• 35:27
  So he's went on the front and run like 306305308.
• 35:33
  And by this point I'm like, Oh my God, I could definitely be in
• 35:36
  trouble here. Yeah, but I'd kind of committed
• 35:40
  to it by then. So I was like, I'm just going to
• 35:41
  hang on until I can't. And there's a couple of moments
• 35:45
  where, you know, you almost concede mentally and you're
• 35:47
  like, oh, this is this is too much.
• 35:49
  Or if you are a little bit over obsessive with your heart rate,
• 35:53
  you see your heart rate maybe a little bit too high and there's
• 35:57
  a couple of moments where I let like a 5m gap build going on.
• 36:02
  Yeah, I like, why are you looking at your hair here?
• 36:09
  I don't know because this is. Between around 2/3 into the
• 36:14
  race, so there's still like 4K or so to go and I'm like, I
• 36:17
  can't fully like release it, yes.
• 36:21
  Yeah. But I think that's where you
• 36:23
  need to just use your gut feeling.
• 36:27
  Yeah. Like I think like it was if I
• 36:31
  wore my heart right there, did a night, I guarantee it would be
• 36:34
  higher than normal. Like it's just the race.
• 36:36
  Like races elevate everything, like even performance.
• 36:40
  So if you really feel like you're limiting yourself by
• 36:44
  letting a fucking watch dictate, Oh my God, my hair is high so I
• 36:47
  must be trying hard. Like I feel like it's dictating
• 36:50
  how you feel and it shouldn't. Now that that is true and it's a
• 36:55
  fairpoint, I think I was trying to use it as like a cross
• 36:58
  reference to almost support the decisions I was making in the
• 37:02
  race or like give me a bit of a sense check.
• 37:06
  Because what I was really conscious of was I was happy to
• 37:09
  race hard and have a go, but I didn't really want to embarrass
• 37:12
  myself enough to crawl home for the sake of being an idiot.
• 37:16
  And in my second race where I've only got couple of decent weeks
• 37:20
  training behind me, I've stood on the start line and thought
• 37:23
  you've got a chance of racing this right towards the front and
• 37:27
  you've just gone and blown yourself up like a press.
• 37:30
  I had to keep some sort of dignity in the heart rate was
• 37:34
  just because I'm so dialed in. So at the minute I mean anyway
• 37:37
  I'm making a few excuses with the heart race when the 5m or so
• 37:45
  gaps would build and I would like shit myself a little bit.
• 37:50
  I then quickly said to myself like stop being a pussy and
• 37:54
  quickly re bridge those gaps. And then after those couple of
• 38:01
  hard KS what Liam had put in, I think he he almost blew himself
• 38:04
  up a bit because then to the two of the younger lads who ended up
• 38:09
  finishing second and third, they'd continued to push at the
• 38:12
  pace that he'd probably sat. I was probably hanging on
• 38:16
  somewhere in the middle trying to hold that effort and pace,
• 38:20
  and I think he then almost spent his effort and maybe struggled
• 38:24
  to cling on a little bit. So then coming back over that
• 38:29
  bridge in towards the city, at that point, you know physically
• 38:35
  that the finish line is only over the bridge.
• 38:38
  But I'm looking at the signs and they're like in half marathon
• 38:42
  distances and my watch is out of sync because of the tunnel.
• 38:45
  So I don't know, like literally how long we've got left to race.
• 38:48
  And I haven't done the course before, so I didn't know.
• 38:51
  Do we go straight into this pitch?
• 38:54
  But then we started winding round the outside of the stadium
• 38:57
  and awesome thinking is like, just get us into this park.
• 39:00
  So I know that there's about two minutes left.
• 39:02
  Please just turn in, turn in and there's still this other Liam,
• 39:07
  Liam Dardengo right behind me, which was keeping me honest.
• 39:12
  But I would have much rather that he wasn't there.
• 39:15
  So I could have took it a little bit easier because although I
• 39:18
  know at this point I'm racing for the to hold the position I'm
• 39:21
  in, I still didn't want to just concede that.
• 39:24
  So we get into the track and it's on like that soft soil
• 39:29
  almost, isn't it? Fine blue metal.
• 39:34
  But by this point, you've, well, I've overlooked the part where
• 39:38
  you're weaving in and out of the half marathoners for the past 15
• 39:41
  minutes, which is it probably helps retain your position in
• 39:45
  that it's hard for us to race each other and we're just like
• 39:48
  kind of sneaking following the leader.
• 39:50
  I think that's common that you sort of by the time you get out
• 39:53
  of the tunnel, because the tunnel you can sort of pick your
• 39:55
  lines opposite people. But then by the time you get out
• 39:57
  of there, you're running wide, getting up over Optus.
• 40:01
  It's a real mess, really messy section of race and you're so
• 40:05
  you're pretty gassed. You're pretty gassed after 6K.
• 40:08
  And so then that's 6 to 11 is hijacker, you're up on curbs.
• 40:12
  It's all, it's quite. It's a bit messy, isn't it?
• 40:17
  Yeah. And so, like, you just follow
• 40:19
  the leader almost and just make sure you don't run clean into
• 40:23
  the back of someone who's just taken the half marathon.
• 40:25
  Pretty easy. And it's probably not a good
• 40:28
  experience for them because you're causing some of them
• 40:31
  quite a shock, the difference in speed which you pass them.
• 40:35
  And they're obviously not expecting anyone to be coming
• 40:37
  because you're right at the front of the race.
• 40:39
  So you're almost the first person to pass them.
• 40:41
  And there's a group of five steaming.
• 40:44
  And like there's such a golf and speed, they're like it can
• 40:46
  actually like be a bit scary because normally like use my go
• 40:51
  one side. You might go one side lab
• 40:52
  behind, you might go the other side like you're sort of like it
• 40:56
  is a bit dangerous. Yeah, I don't know what the
• 40:59
  answer is, what the fix is, because thankfully I've been
• 41:02
  warned. And the interesting thing is
• 41:05
  everyone seems to know and accepts that happens because I
• 41:10
  looked at my watch at the first time that we crossed some of the
• 41:14
  half marathoners, so I knew for interest, and it was 1.6 K into
• 41:19
  our 12K race. We hit the first half
• 41:22
  marathoners, which like Dean said is fine for a while because
• 41:25
  you're on such open Rd. on the freeway, you can just avoid them
• 41:28
  and they can avoid you. But then yeah, on that river
• 41:31
  path and where it starts becoming more dense, it's pretty
• 41:36
  dangerous. Like I reckon a lot of them I
• 41:40
  didn't like make contact with anyone.
• 41:42
  But naturally people will have like clipped elbows and stuff.
• 41:46
  Has to pass some people which like let put an aside the
• 41:52
  selfish Pratts at the front of the race who are trying to run
• 41:54
  fast for their own bloody egos. For those who are just enjoying
• 41:58
  1/2 marathon, getting clipped and hit by people as they're
• 42:03
  just strolling towards the finish line can't be very nice
• 42:06
  either. And a lot of them wear earphones
• 42:09
  as well, so they don't even know you're coming.
• 42:12
  Yeah. So yeah, I don't know what the
• 42:16
  answer is, but it seems it's it always happens.
• 42:20
  So yeah, going into it to the stadium must be like the last
• 42:25
  and no 6 to 800 meters a gas. And this Liam, who's behind me
• 42:31
  passed me with what must have been about 300 meters to go.
• 42:36
  And for some reason, at that point, I wasn't on the verge of
• 42:40
  giving up like I was earlier. So like, got on the back of him
• 42:43
  and knew I had like one more chance to kind of retake the
• 42:47
  position, which I must have went about 200 to go.
• 42:50
  And then as soon as I committed to doing it, I was like, why
• 42:54
  have you gone again so early? Like you've given him the chance
• 42:58
  to repass you again. There's like 3040 seconds of
• 43:02
  running left here. You've just made it so much
• 43:04
  harder for yourself because it just been a little bitch and
• 43:08
  waited on him for like 20 meters and just snuck past.
• 43:12
  But he gave me some positive reassurance when I did pass him
• 43:16
  in that he burst out and went. Fact.
• 43:21
  Told me that I knew he had nothing left so that was quite
• 43:26
  funny. A nice way to finish but there's
• 43:33
  from race good experience. Doesn't over in the bag lad, you
• 43:39
  come on so much from this. Yeah.
• 43:42
  So I think we'd like, we were to split 10K, which is the gauge
• 43:45
  that I'm using somewhere 32 dead or just shy of 32 minutes.
• 43:51
  So it's pretty strong improvement from Diane to death
• 43:56
  over 33 minutes. And Bridges, hopefully we just
• 44:00
  got to keep the trajectory going.
• 44:03
  Yeah, that's pretty. That's pretty wholesale. 6
• 44:06
  seconds in a month, 6 seconds OK.
• 44:10
  When did the other lads get away from you?
• 44:14
  They could you have hung on if you were like, if you weren't
• 44:17
  looking at your fucking heart, right?
• 44:21
  Probably not really because what the gap in the end it's like 10
• 44:25
  seconds to 3rd and 20 seconds to 2nd.
• 44:28
  But like The thing is, this isn't an excuse.
• 44:31
  See, that's because it's probably helped me with my
• 44:33
  position and versus the people behind.
• 44:36
  But when someone does steal a little gap because you are then
• 44:39
  just weaving through this crowd and stuff, it's like it's it's
• 44:43
  hard to regain it. Yeah.
• 44:45
  So like there's a moment where Liam can you do like proper took
• 44:51
  the apex on this corner where then there was like 4 people who
• 44:55
  were just jogging the half marathon or going round at the
• 44:58
  same time. All of us had to go wide round
• 45:00
  and and he then searched out the corner and all of a sudden he's
• 45:03
  got like 10 meters out of nowhere.
• 45:06
  So it's just like a different dynamic to the racing as well.
• 45:09
  You've got to be smart with it and mentally engaged as well as
• 45:13
  physically able. But nice hit.
• 45:17
  Oh, no pressure or comparisons because it was just a 12K race.
• 45:22
  And yeah, I'm happy that I made the decision to like almost
• 45:26
  gamble and see what the limit was rather than run
• 45:31
  conservatively. Like, no, I know my threshold is
• 45:33
  3 minute 12. I must not go past that.
• 45:36
  I know I was using heart rate as a reference but.
• 45:41
  Yeah. No, for a break.
• 45:45
  Where we going to next? China.
• 45:48
  China. Yeah.
• 45:49
  And Becky also completed the race.
• 45:51
  She put a bib on. It was it was sad for the chief
• 45:54
  cheerleader not to be out there and, you know, very selfish, you
• 45:59
  know, pursuits. And you like to have you getting
• 46:03
  eyes on hand. With fresh blazer and water
• 46:05
  bottle at the end. Exactly as there's no one
• 46:08
  waiting for with a towel for me changing shoes.
• 46:11
  And here's a protein shake. I had to, the roles were
• 46:15
  reversed and I had to go and cheer her on.
• 46:17
  So it was an bit of a reality check.
• 46:21
  Yeah, it was nice. So.
• 46:22
  Fair play to Becky. Was she happy with her run?
• 46:26
  You know, it's pretty impressive.
• 46:28
  She's obviously not bothered wearing a watch or any of this
• 46:31
  stuff so she just ran off. Fail and.
• 46:34
  How funny. Is that you?
• 46:36
  Should probably do a lactate test beforehand.
• 46:39
  Didn't. Say, take a leaf at her book,
• 46:42
  right? It was just pure human effort
• 46:45
  distribution across 12 kilometers and then she seems to
• 46:49
  have managed like almost the perfect negative split, so maybe
• 46:53
  there is something to her. How did she how did she go
• 46:57
  balancing the toothbrush and the nitrates?
• 47:01
  Yeah, wasn't too. Engaged in any of that activity.
• 47:04
  You didn't give her some Namio. Wasn't prepared to do the
• 47:10
  lactate test and so that was the prerequisite, yes.
• 47:17
  So China, the Diamond League second round, almost a carbon
• 47:24
  copy of the fields. But don't know.
• 47:26
  It's a bit interesting in that you get to revisit races and
• 47:31
  fields week on week because it's infrequent that you get the
• 47:35
  direct comparison where almost you can mirror the
• 47:38
  circumstances, isn't it? So women's 1500 meters was won
• 47:42
  by Abby Caldwell 35726 from Becca Hey Lama of Ethiopia
• 47:48
  35779, Emily McKay of the US in 3rd 358.13 of fan favorite
• 47:57
  Dorcas Savoy was back and forth. Jess Hall down in fifth, Lyndon
• 48:02
  Hall 8th Rave Well Walcott Nolan 9th and Sarah Billings and
• 48:07
  Claudia Hollingsworth not having the best runs in 11th and 13th.
• 48:13
  Yeah, Abby's on one, isn't she? She's going well.
• 48:19
  It was a good race. I thought.
• 48:21
  Like I had a few different elements to it, like Harlem,
• 48:28
  like going with the pacemaker, which is like what you normally
• 48:34
  see either going with or going ahead of the pacemaker, like,
• 48:38
  you know, bordering on reckless. And so, and Sarah Billings went
• 48:43
  with the pacemaker too, which made it quite exciting.
• 48:45
  Like I felt like it made the race quite dynamic.
• 48:49
  And yeah, you you weren't sure if they were making the right
• 48:53
  call, going with such an aggressive set of aggressive
• 48:57
  pace or had they done it done it well or were they were the main
• 49:01
  group going to run them down, which they did, which was, yeah,
• 49:05
  I don't know. I just thought it was a very
• 49:06
  exciting 1500 to watch and pretty cool to have 4 Aussies or
• 49:13
  five Aussies in there, all of which you could mount a case for
• 49:17
  and not the one that I think any of us picked getting on top,
• 49:22
  which talks to just the depth of when Aussie women's distance
• 49:27
  running at the minute. After Abby's great run last
• 49:32
  week, we pretty much slept on. I didn't mean we've seen the
• 49:35
  results or how spoke about how good it was and then decided to
• 49:38
  do nothing about it. Yeah, I think in our predictions
• 49:42
  we went with Halem. We mentioned.
• 49:46
  Now did you go Dorcas away? I think so, yeah.
• 49:48
  Yeah, and then I think I went with Jess Hall, so none of us
• 49:56
  pick pick the winner there, albeit that it's interesting to
• 50:00
  see the attention people get when they win a race.
• 50:02
  Like I feel like Abby's been around there, like, you know,
• 50:08
  won a common Commonwealth Games medal, done a lot of great
• 50:10
  things. But then once they win, they
• 50:13
  then get spoken about a lot more and catch a lot more headlines.
• 50:16
  It's it's funny that even though her performances are so close to
• 50:19
  being at the top, once you win 1 you see a bit of a breakthrough.
• 50:24
  Yeah, like, it's weird because now I know the team hasn't been
• 50:28
  picked for Commonwealth Games yet, but the window closes next
• 50:32
  weekend, so it will soon be announced and it feels like.
• 50:36
  Of all the this very like. What is it?
• 50:39
  Flavor of the month? But Abby is almost the first
• 50:42
  name on the sheet ahead of Jess, isn't she?
• 50:44
  But right now? Yeah, if you're going to pick it
• 50:47
  by form, that's how you pick it, but I'm sure the selectors would
• 50:51
  have it the other way. Yeah.
• 50:53
  You're not going to pick, have you?
• 50:56
  How many can you pick? Is it two or three?
• 50:58
  3. So basically it's between Abby
• 51:02
  and Sarah, is it? If you're assuming that Jess and
• 51:07
  well, Claudia is a lock, so and then you assume that Jess is
• 51:13
  another lock. Yeah, I would not like to be
• 51:16
  making that choice. I think that's why Sarah went
• 51:20
  with the pacemaker, because she knew she had to do something.
• 51:23
  I think so. I think it needed a knockout
• 51:25
  performance and that was the chance to do it.
• 51:27
  Which gutsy, gutsy running to put yourself in the position and
• 51:32
  with what, 200 metres to go, it was playing out like it was the
• 51:35
  right move. And it's so interesting that
• 51:38
  like the positions change a lot. And I do remember this at the
• 51:42
  World Championships, remember the men's were world champs.
• 51:45
  In particular, the men's races were, was there like 6 races
• 51:48
  decided by like so many tenths of a second.
• 51:52
  And whoever was going into I think the final straight,
• 51:55
  whoever entered the final straight in in front was not the
• 51:57
  person that finished first. So a lot can happen in that last
• 52:01
  100 meters and it did in that one.
• 52:05
  But with with how this is played out now, it makes that bloody DQ
• 52:09
  at nationals. So talent because the criteria
• 52:13
  to get selected as per I understand that is if you win
• 52:19
  nationals and you have the auto time, then you're a lock.
• 52:23
  So because Claudia warned and she's run the time, which is
• 52:27
  like four O 1. So they've all run the time is
• 52:29
  the thing here. Go run the time.
• 52:32
  So Claudia gets the nationals win.
• 52:34
  So she gets herself a lock. But if she was DQ D like she was
• 52:38
  initially the winner of that race was Sarah Billings.
• 52:42
  So that would have made Sarah a lock based on having the time
• 52:47
  and winning nationals, which means that you then would have
• 52:50
  had to choose to from Jess Hall, Claudia Hollingsworth and Abby
• 52:55
  Caldwell. And with Abby this week and last
• 52:59
  week winning head to head two weeks in a row against both of
• 53:03
  them, how would you have not chosen her as one of those
• 53:06
  positions? This is how I would have looked
• 53:10
  at it because, well, yeah, I just don't think he could have
• 53:13
  not given Abby a spot based on the fact she's beaten Jess and
• 53:17
  Claudia two weeks in a row. So then there's only one spot
• 53:21
  left for Jess or Claudia, which isn't how it's played out.
• 53:25
  But if the DQ was upheld like it initially was, that's how it
• 53:29
  potentially would have. So there would have been a fair
• 53:32
  bit more drama going on. I feel like either way there's
• 53:37
  going to be one or two unhappy camps with when this when the
• 53:42
  team is picked. Yeah, and then just sitting in
• 53:47
  the middle of it all, quietly, perhaps unassumingly, as London
• 53:50
  Hall. Yeah.
• 53:54
  The men's 5K was won by Ethiopian Adisu Yehune in a meet
• 54:00
  record world lead 1257, followed by Mohammed Abdullahi of
• 54:05
  Germany, the guy who won the 3K week prior in 1257.9 and Binny
• 54:10
  and Mahari, also Ethiopian 125851 in 3rd.
• 54:15
  Further down the field Seth O'Donnell finished in 14th and
• 54:19
  1318. I'm not sure if you have seen
• 54:24
  the conditions but it was like at the time the race was run at
• 54:29
  least 29°, can't remember if it was 30 odd and the humidity was
• 54:34
  82% so hardly conducive for running fast long distance
• 54:40
  races. The fact that some of them are
• 54:42
  still able to pump out sub 13 and that is wild.
• 54:47
  Yeah, they're different gravy lads up the front and I'm green
• 54:51
  no show. Oh DNF.
• 54:54
  He stepped off after about 3K. Which the commentators didn't
• 55:00
  even acknowledge. I was watching the lead pack one
• 55:04
  lap. Who's there next lap?
• 55:05
  He wasn't and I was thought I was going crazy for like a
• 55:08
  couple of laps. I was waiting for either the
• 55:10
  commentators to say something or to see him walking back across
• 55:14
  the track to confirm and it wasn't till seen his Instagram
• 55:18
  post really and he's he mentions having legs like concrete blocks
• 55:23
  or something from the 3K the week prior.
• 55:29
  Usually I would like. I'd love to know what his
• 55:32
  training looks like between the race on the Saturday, wasn't it
• 55:38
  Saturday and then this one today Because I feel like he'd likes
• 55:42
  to keep some bit of intensity within the week.
• 55:46
  But it's just like how much would he have kept?
• 55:49
  And that could have been he might have done too much and
• 55:51
  which results in your legs feeling like shit.
• 55:54
  And obviously the weather plays a massive pair.
• 55:57
  Yes, theory. My theory opinion would be that
• 56:00
  he's made, he's one of them who probably looking at the big
• 56:03
  picture and trying to carry some load through these early races.
• 56:07
  And hence why he's probably pulled up feeling like absolute
• 56:10
  shift because he's probably maybe done a bit of a session,
• 56:13
  perhaps too much of A session in the week.
• 56:16
  And because last week was his first race hasn't been able to
• 56:19
  recover properly in time for this.
• 56:22
  So those Ethiopian fellas, when they're on the front, they and
• 56:26
  you look at like some of the Europeans say Europeans, there's
• 56:30
  like none in this race. But compared to The Ethiopians
• 56:34
  particularly, people look like they're really struggling in the
• 56:38
  humid conditions. And I remember looking at that
• 56:41
  Binny and Mahari whilst he was on the front and he just looked
• 56:44
  like he was doing a warm up. Yeah, damn, Ethiopians are.
• 56:52
  Although is that Mohammed Abdullah for, you know, nearly
• 56:57
  went back-to-back. So talking about people that
• 57:00
  were able to back it up from the 3K, he I thought he was very
• 57:04
  impressive and I think maybe did he break the German national
• 57:08
  record? No, he couldn't have, couldn't
• 57:11
  have. It's only got a season's best
• 57:13
  next to his result. But you know, I think he, maybe
• 57:15
  he is the Red German record holder.
• 57:18
  So what's his PB? I think I mentioned it in the
• 57:22
  broadcast in the 50s I thought. But yeah, he ran.
• 57:26
  What was he, 6/10 of a second off off?
• 57:29
  The win was it was a good run. He took it to took it to the
• 57:32
  Ethiopian, so the whole way. It's crazy when you look at this
• 57:37
  and Ryan, you mentioned the conditions and then you go
• 57:40
  across to America where the conditions were probably way
• 57:43
  more favorable and it's not near as deep.
• 57:47
  The levels that's, yeah, that, yeah, I mean this, the quality
• 57:51
  of this field is outrageous. It's hard to comprehend how many
• 57:57
  fast runners there is actually. I don't know, Like there were so
• 58:02
  many events on last weekend and there's like fast runners
• 58:07
  running everywhere. I don't know.
• 58:09
  It's crazy. Yeah, it's a good point.
• 58:11
  It's good, good sports doing very well.
• 58:15
  You think in your own little bubble that you're good, and
• 58:18
  then you zoom out and get some sort of contextual reality check
• 58:22
  and it's just like, mind blowing.
• 58:24
  Yeah, exactly. I don't know, does that segue us
• 58:30
  to the sound running mate? Yeah, let's do it.
• 58:35
  I might just jump because we're on the track.
• 58:37
  So for context, the top three, we're all under 13 minutes at
• 58:43
  the Diamond League and 10th was under 1310.
• 58:49
  And then if we contract, contrast that with the sound
• 58:54
  running LA Track Fest, we had just one person break 13 minutes
• 59:01
  and that was the winner had Tom Samuel, who we've spoke about a
• 59:05
  few times. Yeah.
• 59:06
  College kid. Yeah, I mean, he, I don't know
• 59:11
  if you guys. Yeah.
• 59:12
  So this race, but there was some pacemaking done early by some
• 59:16
  top, top college athletes that set the race up pretty well.
• 59:21
  And there were a few names in this race, some familiar names
• 59:24
  like Woody Kincaid, Adam Fogg, Morgan McDonald, Dylan Jacobs,
• 59:28
  Drew Hunter, Jackson Sharp, Gulveer Singh to to name some of
• 59:33
  them. So the athletes were definitely
• 59:36
  there, but as soon as the pacemakers dropped out, it
• 59:41
  pretty much it cleared out pretty quickly like Hab Tom.
• 59:45
  And they had their pacing lights there, which I think we're,
• 59:48
  which is just such a great feature, particularly say if
• 59:51
  you're in Hab Tom's shoes where you've got no one helping you,
• 59:56
  you're there to run. And that was the record I was
• 59:58
  thinking about. He ran a Eritrean record, I'm
• 1:00:01
  pretty sure. So I think the Eritrean record
• 1:00:04
  was 1259. He ran 1257.
• 1:00:07
  And now the commentators were comment commenting on Kenny
• 1:00:10
  break his own 5K record, I think, which was 13 O3 NCAA
• 1:00:15
  record and can he go 13? And then Kenny break the Eritrea
• 1:00:19
  national record and he he did all of them.
• 1:00:22
  And you can key, you can work out exactly where he's at.
• 1:00:24
  I mean, obviously it's the splits 30, you know, are there,
• 1:00:28
  but those lights for him are giving him constant feedback.
• 1:00:33
  And yeah, he ran everyone off off their feet pretty early.
• 1:00:35
  But for Gulvia Singh was there for the majority just started to
• 1:00:42
  tie up in the last closing laps. Probably 3 laps was when Hab Tom
• 1:00:46
  started to go solo but held on pretty well.
• 1:00:50
  The other athlete that was running who was probably it was
• 1:00:53
  running tough who wanted to go with the pacemakers for as long
• 1:00:56
  as they could was the Aussie Jackson Sharp.
• 1:00:58
  He was more prominent than Morgan McDonald.
• 1:01:00
  So we spoke about Morgan wanting doing the breaking 13 as a
• 1:01:04
  YouTube series. He was, you know how he's often
• 1:01:07
  fairly cautious, takes a fairly cautious approach and moves
• 1:01:10
  through the pack. He kept doing that, but you can
• 1:01:12
  see once you've fired a few bickies, you know, just bridging
• 1:01:15
  those gaps and you would have felt this Owen, you know, if
• 1:01:17
  you're trying to close that gap and the effort required in terms
• 1:01:20
  of firing shots on those laps, trying to just tighten the
• 1:01:23
  screws, tighten the screws, but you're on your rivet.
• 1:01:26
  And then eventually what you find is then rather than trying
• 1:01:28
  to move around another one, you just sit behind whoever you've
• 1:01:31
  caught up to because you're just like, I'm just and so that's
• 1:01:33
  what happened. And then for him, the that that
• 1:01:36
  chase group sort of formed at one point, but have Tom's there
• 1:01:39
  just at the front just bang, bang, bang on 13 minute pace.
• 1:01:43
  And yeah, those guys, there was a group of them that ran around
• 1:01:45
  that 3010. Jackson Sharp was third in 1305,
• 1:01:49
  which I thought was a very good run.
• 1:01:50
  And Drew Hunter nearly closed him down.
• 1:01:52
  He's always got a pretty strong kick.
• 1:01:54
  But yeah, an exciting race. But have Tom was the highlight
• 1:01:57
  for sure. Great summary.
• 1:02:00
  And it just shows how the Diamond Leagues are literally
• 1:02:05
  the best of the best. Isn't it?
• 1:02:06
  Like when you've done that comparison because some of these
• 1:02:09
  names on in this LA meet, you would get really excited about
• 1:02:12
  seeing them. And then the fact that, yeah,
• 1:02:15
  only have Tom was, I say, able to break 30 in as if it's a mild
• 1:02:19
  achievement, but he was the only one who was sub 13 compared to
• 1:02:23
  that Diamond League. My natural thought is can they
• 1:02:27
  get Hab Tom into one of these Diamond League races?
• 1:02:31
  Like I think he might have had trouble with his National
• 1:02:34
  Federation getting into world champs but like these are the
• 1:02:37
  Diamond League final will be like a world championship final.
• 1:02:41
  Get him into some of these diamond legs.
• 1:02:44
  Hopefully he's at Prefontaine. When is he finished?
• 1:02:47
  Well, when's NCAA's? Is in his last year of
• 1:02:51
  eligibility, isn't he? Yeah, because he just needs to
• 1:02:54
  go on the pro scene. He just needs to start cleaning,
• 1:02:56
  cleaning up. He's bullying little kids at
• 1:02:59
  this stage. I just googled him because from
• 1:03:04
  looking at him I just thought he was like 25 or something and
• 1:03:07
  he's only 22 which. 22 years old?
• 1:03:13
  No way. Isn't that mad?
• 1:03:17
  And he's the scariest part is he's run what was his half
• 1:03:21
  marathon 59 mid. And he's 22 years old or
• 1:03:26
  something like that. Yeah.
• 1:03:29
  What that I taught you 26? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:34
  I thought it'd like extended eligibility through like having
• 1:03:38
  a sabbatical or whatever they do.
• 1:03:41
  Oh my God, that's mind boggling. And the second thing I was going
• 1:03:48
  to say Jackson Sharks at 1305 it puts him 6th on the Australian
• 1:03:54
  all time list. So the only people to have ever
• 1:03:57
  run faster than Jackson Shaw is Morgan McDonald, Jack Rayner,
• 1:04:02
  Kai Robinson, Stew Mcswain and Kai Mottram, which is pretty
• 1:04:06
  bizarre. We need to put some respect on
• 1:04:09
  Jackson Sharp's name. He's good.
• 1:04:16
  Hawker and easy Elise Hooker. I'd say Adam Fogg wouldn't have
• 1:04:22
  been too happy with that result. I think he would have been
• 1:04:25
  expecting more but like this is first track race of the year as
• 1:04:29
  well so hopefully more to come from him.
• 1:04:32
  Friended show. We go to the women's one.
• 1:04:36
  Yeah, and the women's, in the women's race, Parker Valby was
• 1:04:41
  the standout performer in her first race back since 2024 Paris
• 1:04:46
  Olympics. So she was like a a bit of a
• 1:04:51
  phenom in her NCAA career, very like dominated and then
• 1:04:57
  qualified for the Paris Olympics for the five Ki Don't know if
• 1:05:03
  she'd finished college or if she was just she was, I think she
• 1:05:06
  might have signed a deal around that time.
• 1:05:08
  So this is a couple of years ago now, but quite a large deal
• 1:05:11
  coming out of college with New Balance, but then had been
• 1:05:16
  pretty much injured and ever since.
• 1:05:19
  And I remember her speaking during her NCAA period talking
• 1:05:23
  about how much she cross trained because I think she did.
• 1:05:27
  She has had a history of struggling with like, like load
• 1:05:30
  management. And so, yeah, in her first race
• 1:05:33
  back, got the win in 1449. Aussie Lauren Ryan was second in
• 1:05:37
  1453 and Elise Stearns was 301455 S Top five were all under
• 1:05:43
  15 minutes. Morty Skyring was six in 1503.
• 1:05:47
  So yeah, pretty strong running like, I mean, whenever you're
• 1:05:53
  under 15 minutes in a, in one of the women's traces, that feels
• 1:05:57
  very similar to like the men's 13 minute barrier in my mind.
• 1:06:01
  So some, yeah, impressive performances.
• 1:06:04
  You can see I love this, the way they show the splits.
• 1:06:08
  You can see how consistent Parker Valley was.
• 1:06:10
  She was in 70s or 70 ones the hallway and Lauren Ryan.
• 1:06:14
  Lauren Ryan was kicking hard. She finished in a 64, so she
• 1:06:18
  just let her. So I'd say Parker Valley was way
• 1:06:20
  out in front because Lauren Ryan, you can see she had a few
• 1:06:22
  70 twos in the middle, which just might have gapped.
• 1:06:26
  Bobby must have gapped her a little bit.
• 1:06:28
  But I say Lauren Ryan is coming like a train.
• 1:06:31
  That is the exact read I was just making of it.
• 1:06:33
  If you look from it looks like 2K Park of Albies just started
• 1:06:38
  one off the front by yourself and then yeah she's put finished
• 1:06:43
  in 64. That's wild.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah, that's. Good.
• 1:06:46
  Have you seen had Tom splits? I don't even want to look at
• 1:06:50
  them. 60 Flats 62. Shit look, look at Jackson
• 1:06:56
  Sharps clothes. He's finished in a 56 as well.
• 1:07:01
  Yeah, he looked like he was moving very well.
• 1:07:05
  But yeah, that's some men's and women's 5K.
• 1:07:07
  There was also a 1500 metre race on.
• 1:07:10
  I must admit I haven't caught any of this, but perhaps just a
• 1:07:15
  few notable names. So in the women's 1500, it was
• 1:07:19
  one in 404 by Riley Chamberlain. Notably, Shelby Houlihan was in
• 1:07:24
  the race was 6 in 408. So maybe a reflection of form
• 1:07:29
  first up. You think it's just form?
• 1:07:33
  Thrown out there, I wanted to say.
• 1:07:35
  Still unattached, Still untouched.
• 1:07:39
  Hopefully forever. Men's 1500 was won in Vincent by
• 1:07:44
  Vincent Coladi in 333. Now the some familiar names in
• 1:07:49
  this one Nathan Green in 2nd 333 as well, just 51 hundredths of a
• 1:07:54
  second behind Parker Wolf same time awarded the same time as
• 1:07:58
  Nathan Green, but given third Cooper tier friend of the show
• 1:08:05
  in fifth in fifth in 334. So and Nico Young Graham Blanks
• 1:08:10
  saw some commentary. I don't know if you guys saw
• 1:08:13
  this in the preview talking about when he last ran a 1500
• 1:08:18
  because he's notably A5K10K guy and they showed an image of his
• 1:08:22
  last 1500 and he would look like a little kid.
• 1:08:25
  Not that he's the most masculine man now, but it looked quite
• 1:08:28
  funny. But yeah, I mean, all of these
• 1:08:31
  guys, Jack Anstey, Liam Murphy, yeah, pretty, pretty stacked
• 1:08:37
  1500 meter field and the times from 1st to 11th all separated
• 1:08:41
  by 2 1/2 seconds, which is pretty cool.
• 1:08:44
  That will do the likes of Graham Blanks and Nico Young absolutely
• 1:08:48
  no harm whatsoever. Will it do in a fast 1500 like
• 1:08:51
  that? Yeah, nice to say the kickers
• 1:08:55
  still have the have the wood over them.
• 1:08:56
  They would have felt, you know, they wouldn't have liked getting
• 1:08:59
  dusted by the distance guys. Like the old finishing a 54
• 1:09:04
  Graham Blanks Nico Young which is Savage wheels to have.
• 1:09:09
  Was it like last year on the Diamond League, did Nico Young,
• 1:09:13
  did he run like a fast 3K or a good 3K at some point?
• 1:09:16
  Because for some reason in my mind I'm, I'm looking at that
• 1:09:20
  result and being like, I'm quite surprised that Graham Blanks has
• 1:09:24
  beaten Nico Young over such a short distance.
• 1:09:28
  I just picture Blanks as being like more of that steady hard
• 1:09:32
  grinder, whereas I see Nico Young as having a bit up his
• 1:09:36
  sleeve in terms of pace. But maybe that's just a mad
• 1:09:39
  perception. No, I think you're right.
• 1:09:41
  I think he ran like a really fast mile in indoors, like a 347
• 1:09:45
  or something like that, maybe indoors, can't remember.
• 1:09:49
  But yeah, I'd always have Nick Young being like faster than
• 1:09:53
  Grand Blancs. But they're all like these boys.
• 1:09:55
  They're all on different like schedules, I feel.
• 1:09:58
  So I'd say Nick Young's under a bit more fatigue.
• 1:10:03
  Yeah, it's hard to know exactly, although they've literally just
• 1:10:06
  raced each other. Is it actually like for like,
• 1:10:08
  who's like prioritizing it more than the other?
• 1:10:11
  Where does it fit in their long term plan?
• 1:10:16
  And yeah, it's no matter what cupateer, no matter what race he
• 1:10:19
  goes to, he seems to always find himself in that like kind of
• 1:10:23
  4th, 5th slot. And then I'm hoping his time
• 1:10:27
  will still come. He's got the ears up his sleeve
• 1:10:30
  yet. He just needs to find his
• 1:10:32
  distance, I feel. I feel like he's in between all
• 1:10:35
  of them. Yeah, Jack of all trades.
• 1:10:41
  Master or none? And then in the women's 801, two
• 1:10:46
  3 was Rasheem Willis. Is it Claudia Cousin Merskaf and
• 1:10:53
  Raymond Rodgers? They were the in pretty fast
• 1:10:57
  times, 158 low for 1st and 2nd and 159 high with the top three.
• 1:11:03
  The women's that's that's moving again anytime those barriers,
• 1:11:06
  anytime you run to two minutes is is fast going and some pretty
• 1:11:11
  solid times again in the men's. I feel like these men's and
• 1:11:14
  women's 800 meter times consider stronger than the 1500m times
• 1:11:21
  like a 333 for a men's 1500 when we've seen Ken Myers run 329.
• 1:11:27
  I know that's pretty exceptional, but what did Ollie,
• 1:11:30
  what did Ollie run when he was chasing him down?
• 1:11:32
  I think it might have been there or thereabouts.
• 1:11:36
  You know what, what won this race in the 1500, whereas the
• 1:11:40
  men's 800 meters was I think a bit stronger is right One in 144
• 1:11:45
  low. Notably, Josh Kerr was third in
• 1:11:49
  there in 144 six and Jake Whiteman just behind him in
• 1:11:52
  14474. Bryce Hopple, Donovan Brazier
• 1:11:56
  both followed them in in 145 low Hobbs Kessler, 146 low very tin
• 1:12:04
  and croaking, croaking we in 148.
• 1:12:09
  So the some very fast times I feel I thought and again, a good
• 1:12:14
  bust Buster for the likes of Josh Kerr, Jake Whiteman a bit
• 1:12:17
  doing similar to what we saw Nico Young and Grand Blanks
• 1:12:20
  doing the 1500. These guys have going down in
• 1:12:22
  distance in the 800 to hopefully get some good turnover as they
• 1:12:26
  build into their seasons. Sharpen their tools seen a weird
• 1:12:32
  thing on I don't know if it was X or on Instagram.
• 1:12:35
  It was like a reel of the finish of this like literally the the
• 1:12:39
  guys like dipping for the line and then the that Brandon Miller
• 1:12:44
  is also represented by Brooks, same as Josh Kerr.
• 1:12:47
  And in the screen, it's quite zoomed in and the angle that it
• 1:12:51
  shows is Brandon Miller like hitting the tape 1st.
• 1:12:55
  And then you can see that Josh Kerr is like almost right behind
• 1:12:58
  him. Different for the line as well,
• 1:12:59
  given how close it was. And the guy who's finished
• 1:13:03
  second is out of the shot because it's so zoomed in.
• 1:13:06
  And the caption, I'm sure it was flow track who posted it.
• 1:13:09
  The caption is like Brooks beasts take first and 2nd and
• 1:13:14
  someone is like if it was on Twitter, they've like quoted
• 1:13:17
  tweet or if it was on Instagram, it's like the top comment.
• 1:13:20
  And they've been like at Abe Alvarado, you must be invisible
• 1:13:25
  because the flow track have just taken it as though Josh Kerr got
• 1:13:29
  second and this guy quite clearly is second.
• 1:13:34
  But yeah, doesn't, doesn't suit the narrative of Brooks Beasts
• 1:13:38
  taking the top 2 because that guy is unattached as well.
• 1:13:44
  And that is the track LA track fest from a distance
• 1:13:49
  perspective, European 10,000 meter.
• 1:13:52
  Cool. Which is, is this the one which
• 1:13:54
  Joe mentioned to us last week where he said a couple of
• 1:13:57
  European guys were on the British champs and they kinda,
• 1:14:01
  they knew they had another stab at a week later?
• 1:14:04
  Yeah. So I'm very, I actually don't
• 1:14:07
  know what this is because it is there's a 10K in the European
• 1:14:11
  Championships. So this is like a totally
• 1:14:13
  separate event. But I do feel like it's really
• 1:14:16
  good for European running 1010K running because it gives
• 1:14:21
  everyone like an actual a 10K track meet that you can aim for
• 1:14:26
  that countries can sort of send like they're up and coming
• 1:14:28
  runners to get a vest to get into like a championship style
• 1:14:32
  race, even though they were paced.
• 1:14:35
  But like, like just get into the whole like feeling what it's
• 1:14:38
  like. So yeah.
• 1:14:40
  And it's one of the rare occasions where because I think
• 1:14:43
  the women have to use a non mixed 10K race to get the
• 1:14:49
  qualifying standard to run in the Europeans.
• 1:14:54
  Well for Britain anyway. So yeah, it's a really, really
• 1:14:58
  cool event. And last year from get a one at
• 1:15:01
  this year, Baddie Cloudy was meant to run it from Italy, but
• 1:15:04
  apparently she got a flu or something, a flu leading up to
• 1:15:09
  it. So yeah, she had to pull out.
• 1:15:11
  And Crippa was meant to do it as well, but he didn't end up doing
• 1:15:14
  it either. But still in the so there's an A
• 1:15:16
  rate of an A race and AB race for both men and women.
• 1:15:20
  And again, like I said, this year was held in Italy and it
• 1:15:23
  was super, super warm. So I think it was like 2728°, No
• 1:15:28
  wind, yes. And the sun was just beating
• 1:15:31
  down here. So 25 laps and that doesn't
• 1:15:34
  sound too nice, but the male winner was from Italy, Lias
• 1:15:40
  Ayouni. He is the marathoner guy who
• 1:15:43
  wears the hat is the best way I describe them.
• 1:15:49
  But yeah, he ran 2750.05 and he started pulling up for the line
• 1:15:54
  to celebrate. Guys.
• 1:15:56
  He missed the Euro standard by .05.
• 1:15:59
  The European standard is 2750 and he ran 2750.05.
• 1:16:04
  You would be livid. He's done a Tommy Cross and he
• 1:16:09
  ran this solo. He ran this solo.
• 1:16:13
  Oh no. Yeah, super impressive.
• 1:16:16
  He's so strong from the marathon.
• 1:16:18
  I think he ran. He's a 204 marathoner.
• 1:16:20
  Yeah. So he has.
• 1:16:21
  He's really good, but. Imagine how live it his coaches
• 1:16:26
  with him. You can see such start slowing
• 1:16:29
  down to hands out. Why?
• 1:16:32
  Did he, Did he not think? I don't know, I don't know, I
• 1:16:36
  don't know. Umm, yeah, crazy.
• 1:16:40
  Umm the male B winner was umm from UK Matthew Ramsden.
• 1:16:45
  He ran a 2911 and yeah, he this was sitting kicks.
• 1:16:50
  He just sat behind. I want to say he was check or
• 1:16:54
  Swiss and umm yeah, 150 go just out kick some and but yeah, for
• 1:16:58
  the lice and Matthew Rams and to like get a medal in a British
• 1:17:01
  vest. Even though it's the B race,
• 1:17:02
  it's still like it's such a good experience on he'll he'll take a
• 1:17:06
  lows from it. The women's one.
• 1:17:09
  This is a really cool story. So in the a winner was Elizabeth
• 1:17:13
  Glinka from Poland. So she ran 3145.
• 1:17:18
  Now I might be correct here. Well, she is relatively new to
• 1:17:22
  running. I think over the last year and a
• 1:17:24
  half she started and she started off like a 90 minute half.
• 1:17:28
  And now she's after winning this European Cup, she's represented
• 1:17:32
  Poland that like a World Championships.
• 1:17:34
  And yeah, she she just wounded up a French girl, went out
• 1:17:39
  really hard and with the pacer. And then when the pacer dropped
• 1:17:44
  off, the wheels fell off the French girl and this Elizabeth
• 1:17:46
  Glenke came true. So, Dean, I'm looking at you
• 1:17:50
  here. No, it's never too late.
• 1:17:54
  It's never too late. This one.
• 1:17:56
  Yeah, it's a really, really good story.
• 1:17:57
  I'd say. Look her up.
• 1:18:00
  The B race, the winner was core doula Lasher in yeah, 3322.
• 1:18:06
  I didn't actually get to see that be women's B race, but it's
• 1:18:10
  a really good initiative, this European 10,000 Mirror Cup.
• 1:18:14
  Yeah. So it's good running.
• 1:18:18
  Just talking about Dean's age there.
• 1:18:19
  I went for a pint yesterday with a couple of the lads who raced
• 1:18:24
  and one of them was very shocked to discover Dean's true age.
• 1:18:29
  You thought you were around 29, so 18.
• 1:18:34
  Take that, Take that dream alive.
• 1:18:37
  Exactly. That's what his gammon tells
• 1:18:39
  him. My fitness age is not his, it's
• 1:18:46
  a bit higher than my actual age. Where does that take us to
• 1:18:50
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  outperform. I think we've only got 1 item on
• 1:19:09
  the agenda here for this week, unless you guys have any others,
• 1:19:12
  but the enhanced games I think happened over the weekend and.
• 1:19:17
  I think they don't need. Happening right now.
• 1:19:20
  No, they're teeter. Or, well, a few the events of
• 1:19:22
  Iran. Yeah, they have, but they
• 1:19:24
  started on Sunday. The events of Swan or been
• 1:19:28
  lifted? I am.
• 1:19:31
  I don't want to cover it from a news results perspective because
• 1:19:37
  I don't think it deserves credit to be spoken about in that vein,
• 1:19:41
  but also not naive or ignorant enough to just not talk about
• 1:19:45
  it. So I guess as a concept, what do
• 1:19:48
  you think of it? And just from like a fan, do you
• 1:19:51
  have any interest in like following the results or just in
• 1:19:55
  general? What were you thought?
• 1:19:59
  Yeah, you go on. I think it's more of a hey watch
• 1:20:02
  from my point of view, like I don't really like it.
• 1:20:05
  I'm delighted the fact like Fred Curly didn't, even though he
• 1:20:08
  said he's running a clean, he got banned for doping.
• 1:20:13
  I like, I understand like there's 2 Irish lads doing it
• 1:20:17
  and they're getting a shit load of money for doing it.
• 1:20:19
  Like they're retired, they've nothing else.
• 1:20:22
  So I can see why people do it, but I just don't like it at all.
• 1:20:28
  Yeah, look, I am. I'm glad it's not.
• 1:20:33
  I have various thoughts about it, but like one of them is I'm
• 1:20:37
  glad it's not super successful because I don't want it to get a
• 1:20:40
  lot of air time or traction. I'm curious to see what the
• 1:20:44
  effect of some of these performance enhancing things are
• 1:20:47
  doing to people in terms of is it transformational?
• 1:20:50
  So we saw is it the men's 50M world record go today or
• 1:20:55
  yesterday in 50M freestyle and these guys look augmented, like
• 1:21:03
  they look completely jacked. And so, and it would make sense
• 1:21:07
  in something like a 50M event, which like is it that that
• 1:21:13
  system that completely, you know, non oxygen requiring
• 1:21:18
  system lasts for about 15 seconds.
• 1:21:19
  This is a 22nd price. So the fact that you get
• 1:21:22
  completely jacked up beyond what's normal.
• 1:21:26
  And then I heard as well in the poll that they're wearing the
• 1:21:29
  wet suits that are not, that are no longer legal in other
• 1:21:32
  competition. So they're they're doing other
• 1:21:34
  things to make these performances look more
• 1:21:37
  exceptional. Which makes me think like why?
• 1:21:40
  Why are they doing that? If they're already going to the
• 1:21:42
  extent of taking drugs, why are they changing other things as
• 1:21:45
  well? This isn't my thought, but this
• 1:21:46
  is what I heard from another podcast was that the the thought
• 1:21:50
  was perhaps that what might come off the back of these enhanced
• 1:21:55
  games is product promotion from from people saying you take my
• 1:22:00
  performance stack and you too can, you know, live an enhanced
• 1:22:06
  life and so. Commercial lens maybe?
• 1:22:08
  I think so. So I think the the success of
• 1:22:11
  the games relies on them breaking records.
• 1:22:14
  They'll push the boundaries in order to do that.
• 1:22:17
  And then the commercial element would be as well that they can
• 1:22:22
  push. And you're probably targeting
• 1:22:24
  men or men and women approaching middle age.
• 1:22:28
  You know, your body's in hormonal decline and there's,
• 1:22:30
  and you, you know, bone density, all these sorts of things are
• 1:22:34
  happening. Are there things that you can be
• 1:22:35
  taking to improve them? And I think that's what it's
• 1:22:38
  trying to appeal to. I I.
• 1:22:41
  You're in the market. No, no, I just have brittle old
• 1:22:45
  bones now, but I I suspect that's that's the play.
• 1:22:50
  But yeah, I'm, and I suppose some of the my other thoughts
• 1:22:55
  are in the likes of Fred Curley's instance where they're
• 1:22:58
  not getting that close to the world record or is and we we
• 1:23:03
  know stories, remember the 1980, it might be the 1988 men's 100
• 1:23:07
  meters. I think the whole final served
• 1:23:10
  doping bands like off the back of that.
• 1:23:14
  So you wonder some of these, you know, makes you question if they
• 1:23:17
  don't get close to them, what are we watching when we're
• 1:23:20
  watching non enhanced games but exceptional performance?
• 1:23:25
  Yeah, you almost want them to go and break the record or at least
• 1:23:29
  get close to it to show that the innovative Commas clean record
• 1:23:35
  might be clean. Yeah.
• 1:23:38
  Because if they can, if they take a load of drugs and can't
• 1:23:40
  get near it, what does that say for the records which we
• 1:23:44
  consider legitimate? Have you seen the prize money
• 1:23:48
  that's involved as well? They if they win the race, they
• 1:23:51
  get like 250 grand. Yeah, and you get 1,000,000
• 1:23:54
  bucks if you break a world record.
• 1:23:56
  I think. I think.
• 1:23:58
  I think a swimmer was .02 seconds off breaking some
• 1:24:02
  swimming record. So yeah, you'd be your age and.
• 1:24:09
  I think he went back and he broke the 50.
• 1:24:11
  I think again. I'm yeah, but they're just more
• 1:24:16
  juice for next time. And I think I've seen something
• 1:24:20
  like the arena, which has been purpose built in Vegas.
• 1:24:23
  They've just popped it up. It's got like the swimming in it
• 1:24:27
  and 100m track like right next to the the pool.
• 1:24:31
  And they're going to deconstruct it after these games.
• 1:24:34
  So it's literally just gone or be taken down costs like 50
• 1:24:37
  million. And it just, it makes you think
• 1:24:40
  that that is the sorry state of running that like MJ trying to
• 1:24:44
  do is bloody. What was it even called?
• 1:24:47
  Grand Slam track. Grand Slam track couldn't get it
• 1:24:51
  off the ground, mainly because he's Pratt, he's a press, but
• 1:24:55
  like he was seemingly genuinely trying to do that for betterment
• 1:24:59
  of running and for fans and then you.
• 1:25:03
  Still drive by. These guys come along and
• 1:25:10
  package up this drug taking competition and they managed to
• 1:25:15
  pull in all sorts of money and investment and resources and
• 1:25:19
  commercialize shit out of it and get it all over the news.
• 1:25:23
  Well, and perhaps the worrying thing, yeah, this might be a
• 1:25:26
  broader top broad topic to tackle, you know, big, bigger
• 1:25:29
  than this chat. We just like to talk about
• 1:25:31
  running and clean running ideally.
• 1:25:33
  But like, if it does gain momentum and it does continue,
• 1:25:37
  it talks to the consumer that it that it's had success in
• 1:25:42
  inviting people in to want to pay a lot of money for this sort
• 1:25:45
  of stuff, which is a bit worrying.
• 1:25:48
  Yeah, it feels like everything that running stands for the the
• 1:25:52
  sport, like how pure it is. This is everything opposite
• 1:25:55
  that, isn't it? Exactly.
• 1:25:58
  But we're not coming to realization it's not pure.
• 1:26:02
  I feel like like cycling, like you just had such a bad rap.
• 1:26:09
  Like in my eyes, like I can still see like doping.
• 1:26:13
  It's just like sort of stained the sport.
• 1:26:16
  I feel like it's getting to the stage now where you see like you
• 1:26:19
  see a fast Canyon run and you're like, hmm, like you sort of take
• 1:26:23
  it with a pinch of salt. Yeah, the ideal is that it's
• 1:26:30
  pure, but the reality is there are parts that are spoiled.
• 1:26:34
  Yeah. YouTube Diaries.
• 1:26:37
  I was going to say two things here.
• 1:26:40
  But there's one more news. Oh yeah, sorry.
• 1:26:42
  That women's event at loss. And so last year, last year, it
• 1:26:47
  was over in New York, NY, somewhere like that, yeah.
• 1:26:52
  And basically there's loads of money in this and they made such
• 1:26:54
  a big scene that like to a Grand Slam track didn't pay their
• 1:26:59
  athletes well at Lowe's literally don't like on the
• 1:27:02
  spot. Like they showed money going
• 1:27:04
  from one one account into another account, but that's
• 1:27:06
  coming to London, so. On the women's only competition.
• 1:27:11
  Yeah, that's the only bad thing about it.
• 1:27:12
  It's women's only. Like I feel running is a pretty
• 1:27:16
  gender neutral sport, like everyone.
• 1:27:18
  Like if you win a 1500, the men and women get paid both the
• 1:27:22
  same. I feel like there's no need to
• 1:27:24
  separate it. I was thinking about this
• 1:27:28
  because I remember us having this chat.
• 1:27:29
  I feel like we're getting a little bit old in the sense of
• 1:27:32
  we're having recurring chats on some of these.
• 1:27:35
  Things and believe. Like shock that I have a like
• 1:27:39
  anyway, but thought is that when I go down to a track meet in
• 1:27:45
  terms of distance competition, in particular, the participation
• 1:27:50
  in track meets in terms of not necessarily girls, I think maybe
• 1:27:54
  it's pretty easy. But as it gets into the seniors
• 1:27:57
  feels like there's more of a drop off than men in track
• 1:28:00
  competition. So perhaps if this goes any way
• 1:28:03
  to trying to encourage women to want to participate because it
• 1:28:07
  gets more exposure or there's another way of getting more
• 1:28:10
  women into the sport. If that's what it does, then
• 1:28:15
  question mark whether or not it does that and question mark
• 1:28:17
  whether or not a a these high profile meets just as
• 1:28:21
  successful. But that was just a thought I
• 1:28:23
  had. But, you know, I think they get
• 1:28:25
  the same mental publicity like in the Diamond League.
• 1:28:28
  Like do they need this separate event?
• 1:28:30
  I. Don't know.
• 1:28:30
  I don't know. I know it's good for the sport,
• 1:28:33
  like to get more money because I'd like to see it.
• 1:28:35
  I just wish there was a sort of a male version as well to like
• 1:28:38
  make it equal. Yeah.
• 1:28:40
  But yeah, that's happening on the 18th of September 26.
• 1:28:44
  So there's going to be one in London and then another one, I
• 1:28:48
  don't think it's been named where the next event is, but
• 1:28:50
  apparently like there's more money.
• 1:28:52
  So they're putting on more events and there's more money
• 1:28:54
  being involved as well. So yeah, good for the sport.
• 1:28:59
  I think just before we move on, I think it's a fairpoint, Dean,
• 1:29:03
  in the like grassroots level, the discrepancy is clear, isn't
• 1:29:07
  it? Or like non professional like
• 1:29:11
  like you say, you go down to the track, yeah, men will be able to
• 1:29:15
  fill multiple races, whereas women might struggle to fill 1.
• 1:29:19
  So therefore, if this thing, if it can show to the fact that
• 1:29:26
  there is demand for women's earning races at grassroots
• 1:29:29
  level, then yeah, might be. Beneficial.
• 1:29:33
  I don't think, like, I don't think there's such a, there's
• 1:29:37
  negative stigma when it comes to Rd. racing as much, but I always
• 1:29:41
  feel the tracks always felt a bit of a, it feels more, it
• 1:29:46
  feels more uncomfortable. Track.
• 1:29:49
  In those distance races in particular.
• 1:29:53
  So, yeah, if there's something to do regarding inclusion and
• 1:29:56
  participation and that's across the board, like we talked about
• 1:30:00
  these Nitol events that we could have locally that we don't
• 1:30:05
  really see much of because it just feels very latest.
• 1:30:08
  You said we certainly struggle to get participation on the
• 1:30:10
  track, men and women, but women in particular.
• 1:30:17
  They rolled the stars out last year.
• 1:30:18
  They need to keep them involved because then they have Kippy, a
• 1:30:21
  gun, Kili and like the lot of them.
• 1:30:23
  Basically. It's almost like they've set a
• 1:30:25
  very high bar. Hopefully they've resigned them
• 1:30:28
  for a couple of years. Oh yeah.
• 1:30:31
  So YouTube Diaries. Two things, Owen, I thank you.
• 1:30:35
  And I also say you've caused me a problem by introducing me to
• 1:30:40
  that new standard channel. Yeah.
• 1:30:44
  That's good. They literally are new Gen. like
• 1:30:47
  reincarnated, aren't they? Yeah.
• 1:30:49
  Yeah, yeah. It's like the exact carbon copy
• 1:30:52
  feel like just stupid college students just messing around and
• 1:30:57
  they're just unbelievably good runners.
• 1:31:00
  And like the the way that they capture the like day-to-day as a
• 1:31:05
  student is like just everything you imagine it to be.
• 1:31:08
  Just basically like living the dream, being silly little boys.
• 1:31:13
  I'm surprised with the college work they actually do when
• 1:31:15
  they're away on these trips. Like I actually didn't think
• 1:31:17
  they'd do it, but a lot of them seem to have their laptops with
• 1:31:19
  them even though maybe pretending to be doing some
• 1:31:22
  college. And when Ed I Stone even gets a
• 1:31:25
  couple of features, doesn't he, because obviously he's like the
• 1:31:28
  college coach for BYU. It's a bit.
• 1:31:31
  I'd love to like, pick his brains on how he bounces, like
• 1:31:36
  the seriousness and the methodical approaches of Clayton
• 1:31:41
  Young and months from a marathon perspective versus like almost
• 1:31:45
  managing the adolescence of these incredibly talented but
• 1:31:49
  stupid kids. I reckon it's that like I reckon
• 1:31:54
  you need, I think a good group you want to mix.
• 1:32:00
  Like it reminded me, you know, when we chatted with Tom and
• 1:32:06
  like, how important is having someone like Tom in the group,
• 1:32:10
  that infectious enthusiasm. And when you have young kids in
• 1:32:14
  there that are just full of excitement, I think that makes
• 1:32:16
  training more fun. So it's nice to have a you want
• 1:32:21
  a diverse mix of people. And I've seen they put on their
• 1:32:26
  Instagram today that like it's a countdown for more content being
• 1:32:30
  released. So I was like, Yep, sign me up.
• 1:32:32
  Yeah. I think the six videos that were
• 1:32:35
  out, I watched them all in 24 hours and Becky's looking at me
• 1:32:39
  like why are you watching? Literally 18 year old American
• 1:32:43
  kid. I've been told Aiden about this
• 1:32:46
  YouTube channel because I'm she's going to ask the exact
• 1:32:49
  same question, so you're so sad. And the second one was I watched
• 1:32:55
  one of George Mills recent videos during the week as well.
• 1:32:59
  And his, his channel is actually really good follow.
• 1:33:02
  He's, he's very insightful, He's very thorough and methodical and
• 1:33:07
  everything that he does and he, I think he communicates kind of
• 1:33:10
  like brings you on that journey very well because he's, it's a
• 1:33:14
  good follow because he's on the comeback from injury.
• 1:33:17
  Like I don't think he's actually raced yet, but he's pretty much
• 1:33:21
  back up like fit, fit enough to race.
• 1:33:26
  He's been in as a dull strum in South Africa, largely solo, but
• 1:33:32
  he's part of our AC Europe. And there's a couple of, I think
• 1:33:36
  they're like Italian blokes maybe who he goes to one of the
• 1:33:40
  tracks with and does a couple of sessions with.
• 1:33:43
  He drinks bloody a litre of pure cow milk every day.
• 1:33:47
  He's saying that's his recovery drink.
• 1:33:51
  Some of his meals are very questionable like I can see but
• 1:33:56
  yeah like he likes blandness. I've seen a video of someone
• 1:34:01
  doing a pre race thing and a Buchanan.
• 1:34:05
  He was eating like literally just plain slices of white bread
• 1:34:08
  before that lakeside 10K in his hotel room.
• 1:34:12
  I'm like wow. Yeah, put a bit of honey on it.
• 1:34:19
  Some of them anymore on the YouTube or.
• 1:34:27
  I didn't get too much this weekend.
• 1:34:31
  Yeah, IA lot of those sound running mates that we recapped
• 1:34:34
  earlier, they've done well in clipping them all up and posting
• 1:34:36
  them. I'd love it if more mates did
• 1:34:39
  that. Like I'd love the fact that we
• 1:34:41
  can always access the diamond leagues, but you have to how
• 1:34:44
  much Scrolling through a lot of the field events you need to do
• 1:34:48
  to find the races you want to watch.
• 1:34:51
  Click them up. You need like the what they call
• 1:34:55
  it, like the chapters or something on the bottom so you
• 1:34:57
  can see where the races are. I don't know, sometimes I like
• 1:35:01
  when like like a high jumper has to do like a jump and like I
• 1:35:07
  know I just somewhat are the long jumping so long they jump.
• 1:35:10
  It's crazy China at the minute. That's pole vault.
• 1:35:14
  Awesome. Said hi, John, Did you?
• 1:35:16
  But yeah, I don't know, sometimes I look looking at the
• 1:35:19
  other events. Of all the things, he gets Madam
• 1:35:24
  out and he's willing to figure. Yeah.
• 1:35:30
  Or even like I was watching Javelin the other day as yeah,
• 1:35:34
  some theory. Also absolutely leather that
• 1:35:38
  pole. So far it's.
• 1:35:42
  Could you throw a javelin? I think, I don't know.
• 1:35:44
  I think I got like 16 meters and they're firing at like 8090.
• 1:35:53
  We we do a daily 10 question quiz out of the local W
• 1:35:58
  Australian newspaper and one of it was named to the nearest
• 1:36:01
  kilo. The weight of the men's shot
• 1:36:03
  put. 15. I'd go 12.
• 1:36:10
  Seven, what are you guys thinking about throwing a fridge
• 1:36:15
  Like throwing one of my kids? So think of a dumbbell, yeah?
• 1:36:19
  Well the guys are built like fridges.
• 1:36:21
  Why do you need to get yourself so big to throw something 7K?
• 1:36:25
  Ouch. It's all right.
• 1:36:27
  I don't think we've got any shop.
• 1:36:28
  Pluses tune which leads us into double trouble.
• 1:36:38
  Now I might get myself a little bit cancelled there, but news
• 1:36:41
  can be a sound board for this one because I was getting
• 1:36:45
  rattled in the week and I thought I'm going to try and
• 1:36:48
  articulate these thoughts now because it is a double trouble
• 1:36:51
  brewing in my head and I want to have something to say.
• 1:36:54
  And I always get certain I'm like, oh shit, I'm going to
• 1:36:57
  bottle it now. But anyway, here we go.
• 1:36:59
  This is about Instagram just getting rattled when I'm
• 1:37:03
  scrolling Instagram and the needs to be a genuine angle
• 1:37:08
  because I don't want to just be a moaner for the sake of
• 1:37:10
  moaning. So yeah, like when you just go
• 1:37:15
  on, particularly on our account, because the algorithm is very
• 1:37:18
  tailored to running and fitness and everyone, the underlying
• 1:37:24
  messages that everyone appears to be an influencer and
• 1:37:27
  preaching some sort of message, whether that's how great they
• 1:37:32
  are or how great something else is.
• 1:37:35
  I know it's harmless. Like, individually each person
• 1:37:39
  probably doesn't. Well, they're clearly not doing
• 1:37:41
  anything bad by just posting, talking about themselves,
• 1:37:44
  talking about products, talking about things.
• 1:37:47
  But when there's just so much of it in one space and it's all
• 1:37:51
  direct, that, yeah, it can become a bit much.
• 1:37:54
  And it feels like, I don't know, like, how has everyone got lost
• 1:37:59
  in this trap? So like, remember when Instagram
• 1:38:03
  was purely, you would upload photos, friends, family,
• 1:38:09
  occasional holiday. If you're like really
• 1:38:12
  adventurous, you might post a photo of some food and that will
• 1:38:16
  be like a bit edgy. Like, oh fuck, you put a photo
• 1:38:19
  of what you're eating on Instagram, you're a bit out
• 1:38:22
  there. Whereas now it's like seen as
• 1:38:25
  the norm for every person to just preach and be like an
• 1:38:31
  expert in something, which I'm very aware there are highly
• 1:38:36
  qualified, highly educated experts out there who have
• 1:38:40
  highly valuable things, lessons, experience, knowledge to share.
• 1:38:45
  But it gets lost amongst all the bullshit of other people trying
• 1:38:50
  to like one up themselves and be like, yeah, but look at me, I've
• 1:38:53
  got this to say. And often it's a case of saying
• 1:38:58
  something so obvious with so much conviction that if you
• 1:39:03
  catch yourself off guard, you might actually receive it and be
• 1:39:08
  like, oh, they know what they're talking about.
• 1:39:10
  When really they haven't said anything like groundbreaking at
• 1:39:13
  all. They've just stated the fact
• 1:39:15
  quite confidently. Like people trying to describe
• 1:39:26
  every inch of their lives as like a performance thing rather
• 1:39:31
  than just look at the long term approach.
• 1:39:35
  Like I'd ice them what to say C ^2 = e ^2.
• 1:39:38
  Consistent competence equals eventual, eventual excellence.
• 1:39:42
  But that doesn't sell for Instagram and social media.
• 1:39:46
  You need that one magical warehouse or oh, look what I ate
• 1:39:50
  before I'd done this. And yeah, it just feels like the
• 1:39:56
  comparison is, you know, like the get rich quick schemes where
• 1:39:59
  there's like. A mythical method to trade or
• 1:40:03
  crypto. Do this, do that like pyramid
• 1:40:06
  schemes. It almost feels like the social
• 1:40:08
  media equivalent and it's just a battle between everyone to be as
• 1:40:14
  relevant and as seen as you can be.
• 1:40:17
  And to me now it just looks like a big cry for attention, like
• 1:40:23
  everyone's attention seeking pitching like daily tasks or
• 1:40:30
  literal like usual things that everyone does on a day-to-day
• 1:40:34
  basis without making a big song and a dance out of it.
• 1:40:37
  As if they've like just passed a test to become a Royal Marine or
• 1:40:41
  something. When everyone else knows it's
• 1:40:45
  just a little bit discipline, a little bit hard work, a little
• 1:40:48
  bit again, your head down. Rather than every single person
• 1:40:52
  on planet earth win an Olympic medals because the bloody went
• 1:40:56
  for a jog. And yeah, I may have just been a
• 1:41:01
  bit triggered when I see no less and thought about all this, but
• 1:41:05
  I think I had to get it off my chest.
• 1:41:10
  Do you want to go, Dean, or will I go?
• 1:41:13
  You go on. I, I like it.
• 1:41:20
  So I think it is a great place like build a platform, like sort
• 1:41:25
  of create a story and so people can like follow you.
• 1:41:28
  Like even from starting the podcast, like I feel like more
• 1:41:30
  people are like following me, following my sort of story
• 1:41:32
  along. And I like the way people share
• 1:41:36
  information as well. So I love that we're able to
• 1:41:40
  follow like delete athletes, see what they do and all this.
• 1:41:43
  And this is going to sound terrible, but I feel like
• 1:41:46
  there's a certain level where there's a certain level where it
• 1:41:52
  sort of becomes bullshit. So if you go out and run, you're
• 1:41:57
  like sub 30 minute 5K. And then they're like, that's
• 1:42:02
  still a really, really great achievement.
• 1:42:04
  But then they're going out and giving like their two cents when
• 1:42:10
  it might be correct, if you get me.
• 1:42:13
  Like I feel like it's the people who have years and years and
• 1:42:16
  years in this sport who like, who know all about it rather
• 1:42:20
  than the people who have picked, who have picked up running in
• 1:42:23
  the last year. And like them saying, oh, I know
• 1:42:25
  this, this works for me and all this.
• 1:42:29
  That's where I think it, Instagram can get a lot like I
• 1:42:33
  can see where you're coming from, Ryan.
• 1:42:34
  Like everyone is doing it now. But I do also love the way
• 1:42:40
  people are sharing their opinions.
• 1:42:42
  Like I actually like looking at some of them people as well who
• 1:42:45
  are, let's say, running a four or five minute 5K.
• 1:42:48
  And I actually like following that journey to see them
• 1:42:50
  improving. Like, I think it is pretty cool
• 1:42:52
  as well. But it's just, I think it's the
• 1:42:54
  fact that everyone's doing it. It is very clogged Instagram.
• 1:42:58
  But yeah, the algorithm. Yeah, I don't think it's not the
• 1:43:05
  people sharing their story and stuff which has got me rattled.
• 1:43:08
  It's more so I feel like the genuineness of it has been lost.
• 1:43:14
  So there's there's, it seems to me that the majority of people,
• 1:43:18
  there's some sort of agenda and agenda behind that, whether
• 1:43:21
  that's self promotion or whatever it is.
• 1:43:24
  But, and you can tell that's the problem.
• 1:43:27
  You can clearly see whether it's genuine or not like AI, as great
• 1:43:32
  as it is. And we joke about me using chat
• 1:43:34
  GPC to like put my trousers on in the morning and AI like helps
• 1:43:41
  us with the show notes and stuff like this.
• 1:43:43
  But then you can read some people's captions and you can,
• 1:43:47
  you can see that it's clearly an AI generated statement and it's
• 1:43:51
  trying to be like motivational or tell you some story and
• 1:43:55
  you're like, why do you think that that feels genuine or that
• 1:43:59
  that's going to like motivate someone to help them or to
• 1:44:03
  change them? And now then, give me some
• 1:44:07
  perspective and I've got some. I don't.
• 1:44:10
  Yeah. Look, I don't know.
• 1:44:11
  I am. I'm not a huge fan of social
• 1:44:16
  media generally. I like the idea of it like we
• 1:44:23
  have family across the world or, you know, it's a way of staying
• 1:44:26
  connected with friends that live abroad and it's a way of keeping
• 1:44:29
  them up to date in about your life is how I would like to see
• 1:44:34
  it used. And then like you said, oh, and
• 1:44:36
  it, it's a nice way of sharing a story and other people sharing
• 1:44:40
  their stories and, and a real opportunity.
• 1:44:42
  Like I think podcasts in say the last 10 years have become so
• 1:44:46
  popular and it's bringing back the art of storytelling.
• 1:44:48
  And that's such a nice way of learning about other people's
• 1:44:51
  experiences and learning from them.
• 1:44:53
  And I feel like social media has elements of that as well, but
• 1:44:57
  that's like the good part of it. And then there there's just a
• 1:44:59
  lot of bad, like misuse and, you know, bad behaviour, and it's
• 1:45:04
  completely unregulated and it's hard to filter out a lot of the
• 1:45:09
  bad content from the good content.
• 1:45:11
  So it's often not a great place to source good information, but
• 1:45:13
  you find yourself there. So I don't know, I don't know if
• 1:45:17
  I'm able to say too much other than yet.
• 1:45:19
  I understand what you're saying. I guess I kept my social media
• 1:45:23
  apps at 15 minutes, so I don't find myself consuming too much,
• 1:45:26
  too, too many reels. But yeah, I certainly see the
• 1:45:31
  good elements to it. But then, yeah, there's
• 1:45:32
  certainly a lot of pitfalls with it as well.
• 1:45:36
  What can we do? I guess for us, where we go to
• 1:45:40
  seek out advice, but that's probably where we've we've,
• 1:45:43
  we've shared a bond over podcasts and YouTube.
• 1:45:47
  Like I think what, what, what Instagram might do is tell us
• 1:45:51
  someone that we might like to learn about.
• 1:45:53
  And then hopefully they have a platform where we can actually
• 1:45:55
  get proper better content from them.
• 1:45:58
  And I think that's how we've stayed curious with our running.
• 1:46:01
  Yeah. Does that help at all?
• 1:46:04
  Yeah, No, it's good. I can you you on other subjects
• 1:46:09
  may have been a lot more on the other side of the fence.
• 1:46:13
  Whereas with that you're sitting on the fence, which I'm taking
• 1:46:17
  as like you've been somewhat on my side with it.
• 1:46:22
  Yeah. But it's it's just a nice
• 1:46:24
  reminder to me for us to stay genuine and not start like just
• 1:46:31
  saying things to please other people.
• 1:46:32
  Just stay true to ourselves and share our stories for what they
• 1:46:38
  are. Yeah, and that's where I like
• 1:46:41
  things like Strava. In a podcast.
• 1:46:44
  I feel like you learn a bit more in a long form conversation and
• 1:46:48
  you learn a lot more about someone through what they do.
• 1:46:51
  So Strava is a log of all of the effort they've put in over a
• 1:46:54
  long period of time. It's not some contrived post of
• 1:46:58
  them on their best day in a given year.
• 1:47:02
  Yeah, pretty raw. Hard to chop it up into a
• 1:47:08
  saleable reel that you get on Instagram.
• 1:47:13
  Anyway, reckon that's us. Yeah, boys.
• 1:47:18
  Thanks fellas. Yeah, go again Wednesday.
• 1:47:22
  Yeah, for the full debrief. Look forward to it.
• 1:47:26
  Yeah. See you guys.
• 1:47:27
  See you guys. Ciao.
• 1:47:29
  Good luck. Play no crew Deanie join Ryan
• 1:47:34
  talking and do from the first warm up to the final bell.
• 1:47:36
  This is easy double and you're doing it well.
• 1:47:44
  This is easy double welcome to you This is easy double you're.
• 1:47:54
  Doing it well. Rang enough?
• 1:48:00
  Check, go, run.