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US MARSHALS MANHUNT: COACH TRAVIS TURNER VANISHES IN MOUNTAINS W/GUN · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the US Marshalls manhunt and
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Speaker 1: urgent update from the Marshalls coach Travis Turner, the famed
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Speaker 1: high school football coach vanishes into rugged terrains the mountains
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Speaker 1: with a gun on Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with US.
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Speaker 2: Union High School in Big Stone Gap, Virginia faces turmoil
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Speaker 2: as head coach Travis Turner mysteriously vanishes days before their
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Speaker 2: undefeated football team heads to the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: Why did he say that that the coach vanishes just
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Speaker 1: before the big football playoff? Correction? The coach vanished into
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Speaker 1: the woods, we believe, carrying a gun, according to a witness,
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Speaker 1: as La Lord enforcement was on their way to his
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Speaker 1: house to talk to him about child porn and about
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Speaker 1: claims he solicited a child for sex over his computer.
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Speaker 1: Do you think he vanished into the woods with a
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Speaker 1: gun in a sweatsuit because of the upcoming football game.
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Listen.
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Speaker 3: Law enforcement headed to the family home to interview Turner.
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Speaker 3: On the way, investigators are informed Turner is no longer home.
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Speaker 3: When officers arrived, they're told Turner was last seen going
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Speaker 3: into a wooded area near his home, wearing a gray
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Speaker 3: sweatshirt and gray sweatpans.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel, including a rep from
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Speaker 1: the US Marshall's Office who traveled the world looking for fugitives,
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Speaker 1: as well as an expert in nationwide manhunts. But first
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Speaker 1: to Samantha Allen, joining US multimedia journalists from w c
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Speaker 1: y B. On Insta, you can find her at sam
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Speaker 1: Allen Sports. Samantha, what the hey? Why is every banner
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Speaker 1: that I read? And you can go ahead and plead
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Speaker 1: guilty right now? Girl? About the football, the football game,
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Speaker 1: the undefeated season. I always such a great football coach,
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Speaker 1: always such a great quarterback when he played football, football football. Hey.
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Speaker 1: I like football, just like everybody else. But you know
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Speaker 1: what I hate more than I like football. I hate
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Speaker 1: child molesters. And I hate people that download child porn
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Speaker 1: on their computer. All right. I tried to look this
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Speaker 1: guy up last night and I put in football coach
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Speaker 1: child porn, and I got all kind of warnings like
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Speaker 1: I was trying to download child porn. I immediately just
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Speaker 1: turned off the computer. So what happens, Samantha all Right?
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, Virginia is a very tight knit community.
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Speaker 4: Already so football is already on top of everyone's mind.
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Speaker 4: This team has gone undefeated, he already is a All
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Speaker 4: Star player.
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Speaker 1: Put her up, Samantha, What did I just say? I said,
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Speaker 1: why is everybody talking about football when this guy, this
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Speaker 1: trusted football coach, is allegedly downloading child born on his computer,
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Speaker 1: probably at school? And what did you do? You know what?
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Speaker 1: I don't trust you anymore, doctor Bethany. What does she
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Speaker 1: just do? After I said, why are we talking about football?
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Speaker 1: The football record, the football undefeated, the football, the football
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Speaker 1: And what does she just do?
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Speaker 5: She talked about football, and what she didn't talk about
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Speaker 5: was the victims. And that is what should be front
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Speaker 5: and center. I looked it up to last night, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: It's all about the football. The community. Children are always
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Speaker 5: underrepresented in our judicial system and in terms of protection,
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Speaker 5: and I keep thinking about who was he solictening? Was
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Speaker 5: a somebody in the school? What about the child born
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Speaker 5: on his computer? Or was he sharing photos with other
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Speaker 5: child molesters? Is he a part of a child molesting
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Speaker 5: ring where all these images are shared back and forth?
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Speaker 5: And because of that, that is really the part of
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Speaker 5: the story that should be front and center, because victims
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Speaker 5: could be right in that community, if that community is
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Speaker 5: so tight knit, they're going to be concerned, hopefully about
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Speaker 5: the children more than about football.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, doctor Bethany Marshall. Now I'm going to
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Speaker 1: make a very brief cameo appearance as a defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to defend Samantha Allen after I just
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Speaker 1: accused her. Samantha, I think part of the shock of this,
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Speaker 1: of these charges child porn and soliciting a child a
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Speaker 1: minor for sex over the computer. I think part of
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Speaker 1: the reason everybody is so shocked is because what you
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Speaker 1: just said. Because right, if it's true, if the allegations
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Speaker 1: are true, this guy has been right under our noses
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Speaker 1: with hi who else, thousands and thousands of children, and
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Speaker 1: he has been famous. He is famous, he has been lauded.
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Speaker 1: He's a hero in the school and the community. His
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Speaker 1: son played football under him and is now on the
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Speaker 1: coaching staff with him. And I think part of this
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Speaker 1: is the fact that all this time, when people have
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Speaker 1: been sending their children to coach, you know, to learn
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Speaker 1: football sports with him, he's been downloading child porn. So
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Speaker 1: I'm going to defend you just for a minute there,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to rewind Samantha Allen, joining US multimedia
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Speaker 1: journalist wcy B, what's happening.
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Speaker 4: The community is very tight knit, so they're not wanting
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Speaker 4: to kind of put someone that's so familiar with them
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Speaker 4: on blast until they have all the facts. And that's
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Speaker 4: kind of the same thing that we're dealing with as
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Speaker 4: reporters in this region is trying to get people to talk.
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Speaker 4: No one wants to talk to us. They want to
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Speaker 4: defund him, and that's being a big issue. A lot
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Speaker 4: of us are questioning, why are you trying to defend
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Speaker 4: him and why is it being kept so hush, and.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the like went to the you're right, Samantha.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's bedrock in our justice system that this coach,
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Speaker 1: Travis Turner is innocent. As we're talking tonight, He's innocent.
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Speaker 1: He is presumed innocent under the law. But that's not
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Speaker 1: the end of that sentence.
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Speaker 6: Is it.
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Speaker 1: Mark Tate, high profile trial lawyer with the Tate Group
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Speaker 1: out of Savannah who shot to fame across the nation
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Speaker 1: during the Alex and Murdog double murder trial. He defended
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Speaker 1: him to the very end on every news outlet there
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Speaker 1: was Mark Tate. That's not the end of the presumption
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Speaker 1: of innocence jury charge.
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Speaker 6: Is it?
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Speaker 1: That charge says the defendant is presumed innocent unless and
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Speaker 1: until the state piercing is that presumption of innocence with
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Speaker 1: evidence to prove guilt. That's the rest of that sentence
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Speaker 1: that defends the trains like to conveniently forget.
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Speaker 6: Well. I mean, you're right, the state has the burden
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Speaker 6: to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I think the
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Speaker 6: issue here, and when we talk about that community, and
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Speaker 6: I do have some familiarity with that area, is that
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Speaker 6: no community that I've ever experienced wants to really understand
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Speaker 6: that there is this kind of a shocking thing going
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Speaker 6: on right there. I've seen it in the Catholic sex
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Speaker 6: abuse cases, boy Scouts, loved pediatricians, rabbis, organizations where you
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Speaker 6: would never expect there to be something like this because
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Speaker 6: you trust the person so much, and so it shocks
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Speaker 6: the community. And I believe that when they have that
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Speaker 6: type of shock, there is a great burden to overcome
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Speaker 6: to convince them that, yeah, this person that you trusted
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Speaker 6: was not worthy of your trust, and so I hope
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Speaker 6: they're able to find him. I think wandering off into
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Speaker 6: the woods, you know, with the firearm sort of boodes
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Speaker 6: poorly for him, obviously, because he's wandering around the Appalachian
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Speaker 6: mountains and it gets to be about twenty nine degrees
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Speaker 6: at night, and he's probably got some survival skills. Who knows,
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Speaker 6: But I think it's going to be hard to find him.
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Speaker 6: And I think that once they get him, that community
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Speaker 6: is going to have to be convinced that he did
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Speaker 6: the things for which he was sought. That when they
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Speaker 6: first went to pick him up on November twenty four,
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Speaker 6: or announced that's why they were looking for him on
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Speaker 6: November twenty four.
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Speaker 1: Search right now for this guy. You don't think they
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Speaker 1: brought out trafford dogs, scent dogs, massive search for him.
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Speaker 1: There's an incredible search going on. I wonder did he
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Speaker 1: even go into that rugged terrain. I know he gives
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Speaker 1: without coach, because they got any of him wearing shorts
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Speaker 1: in the snow. And that is a very important question
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Speaker 1: to Samantha Allen joining us w C y B on
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Speaker 1: the case from the very beginning. You know, you got
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Speaker 1: to take all your witnesses with a box of salt,
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Speaker 1: not a pants, a box who said they saw this
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Speaker 1: coach Travis Turner going into a heavily wooded area and sweatshirt, sweatshan,
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Speaker 1: sweatpants and a gun. Who said that? To start with,
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Speaker 1: how do I know that's where he really went?
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Speaker 4: We actually really don't even know if that is one
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Speaker 4: hundred percent true. It was only released to us from
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Speaker 4: the Virginia State Police. The firearm. That was only told
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Speaker 4: to us from the attorney, the family's attorney, Adrian Collins.
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Speaker 1: So we okay, wait, wait, wait, Samantha, Sam, Sam, what
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Speaker 1: did you say about the family lawyer? It came from
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Speaker 1: the family lawyer.
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Speaker 4: The family warrior is the only person that has officially
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Speaker 4: announced that he walked into the woods with the firearm.
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Speaker 4: The Virginia State Police didn't.
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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, well, Samantha, you just gave me some
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Speaker 1: very vital information. Brian Fitzgibbons, did you hear that? So
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Speaker 1: the only witness that sees him going into the woods
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Speaker 1: with a sweatpants, sweatshirt, sweatpants gun is somebody from within
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Speaker 1: the family, because that's a family lawyer. I'm extrapolating here.
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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security, leading teams of
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Speaker 1: investigators across the world, trying to find missing people, Brian,
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Speaker 1: consider the source. So the police are on the way,
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Speaker 1: They've already fired one person has been either laid off
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Speaker 1: or fired at the school in connection with this, and
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm dying to find out who that is and
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Speaker 1: what their connection is. And now they're on the way
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Speaker 1: to talk to him about it, obviously about the child porn,
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Speaker 1: and he walks into the woods. Yet an incredible, an
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Speaker 1: intense search goes on and nobody can find him in
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Speaker 1: the woods. Did he really even go into the woods?
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Speaker 7: That's certainly a big question, right because when the source
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Speaker 7: is coming from the family attorney and that this has
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Speaker 7: not been confirmed by law enforcement, it's difficult to confirm
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Speaker 7: that he did do that. And you're going to see
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Speaker 7: the resources tied up to search this dense terrain with
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Speaker 7: steep ravines, tons of trees, caves, rivers, you name it.
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Speaker 1: This is very.
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Speaker 7: Difficult, a difficult search to conduct.
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Speaker 1: You know, Brian Fitzgibbons, I'm very curious about the efforts
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Speaker 1: being made to find him. I don't doubt that they
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Speaker 1: are being made. But when you bring out knine scentin DAWs,
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Speaker 1: cadaver dogs, drones, helicopters, shoulder to shoulder and you can't
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Speaker 1: find him. That's concerning. It suggests he didn't go that way.
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Speaker 1: But back to what happened, Listen.
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Speaker 3: Turner's disappearance days before his team's playoff game is now
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Speaker 3: even more shocking. The coaches wanted on five counts of
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Speaker 3: possessing child pornography, five counts of using a computer to
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Speaker 3: solicit a minor, additional charges pending.
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Speaker 1: Back to Samantha Allen joining US WCYB, explain to me
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Speaker 1: what the charges are exactly.
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Speaker 4: So the charges are the five counts of child pornography
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Speaker 4: and five counts of soliciting a minor using a computer.
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Speaker 4: Those are the only charges that have been announced to us.
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Speaker 4: They say pending. There's charges pending according to the Virginia
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Speaker 4: State Police, but we do not know what that entails.
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Speaker 4: And last we heard is that they're having that five
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Speaker 4: thousand dollars award from the US Marshal if someone finds him.
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Speaker 1: Our brand joining us now for Senior inspector with the
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Speaker 1: US Marshall Service International Investigations Branch. He's traveled all around
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Speaker 1: the world looking four fugitives, and he is now the
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Speaker 1: author of a hit series on Amazon. Jack solo mysteries.
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Speaker 1: The last one going solo the Gospel of Luke Who.
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to read that one, IRV. Brandt. I'm
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Speaker 1: very curious about the search for him and the likelihood
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Speaker 1: that he has stayed within the area. Also, let me
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Speaker 1: just kick it off with you about this reward. There
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Speaker 1: is an urgent update from the US Marshall Service. They
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Speaker 1: are now offering a five thousand dollars reward for information
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Speaker 1: leading to the arrest of the former undefeated football high
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Speaker 1: school coach, Travis Turner. Now they've piled on they're offering
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Speaker 1: a five thousand dollar reward. Do you believe rewards work, IRV.
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Speaker 8: Brant, It's rewards do work. That's why the United States
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Speaker 8: Marshall Service does it. People are more apt to give
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Speaker 8: information if they think they're going to be rewarded for
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Speaker 8: the information. I've worked cases for decades and rewards were
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Speaker 8: an integral part of those cases. And when the Marshal
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Speaker 8: Service gets involved in a case like this, they don't
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Speaker 8: get involved until the criminal charges are announced, that warrants
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Speaker 8: are have been issued. They don't help look for a suspect.
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Speaker 8: They look for fugitives, and this man's a fugitive now
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Speaker 8: and that's why the Marshal Service is involved in offering
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Speaker 8: a reward.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you were looking at coach Travis Turner undefeated. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I will give in, Samantha Allen. Tell me about his
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Speaker 1: football record and why he is so notorious and famed
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Speaker 1: in the area for all of those wins, and go
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Speaker 1: ahead and tell me about his own football career.
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Speaker 4: I mean, his father was a football star there at
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Speaker 4: Apalacha High School. Then we have him who's also a
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Speaker 4: football star at Apalachia High School, and then he starts coaching Union.
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Speaker 4: His son's a football star at Union High School, and
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Speaker 4: now he's coaching an undefeated team and they're making it
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Speaker 4: out to region championships and they have gone with no losses.
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Speaker 4: So now it's a big deal within the community of
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Speaker 4: this guy that's so well known with his football career,
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Speaker 4: with his dad being a football star and his son
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Speaker 4: and now he's leading this team into a championship. But
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Speaker 4: then he just runs away. That's what makes this such
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Speaker 4: a big deal within the community is that someone that's
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Speaker 4: so well known and so familiar with everyone and everyone
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Speaker 4: growed up. Everyone I've talked to. Ever when I go
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Speaker 4: out there and I do my interviews. They know, they
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Speaker 4: know his father, they went to school with him, They
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Speaker 4: went to school with his dad. Everyone knows everyone there,
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Speaker 4: and no one knew that this was happening. So, like
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Speaker 4: you said, this was crazy, that this was just right
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Speaker 4: underneath everyone's noses, and no one wants to believe it.
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Speaker 3: Travis Turner is a former high school football star quarterback,
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Speaker 3: capturing three state titles as a player in the mid nineties.
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Speaker 3: Now the head football coach at Union High, Wise County,
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Speaker 3: Virginia since twenty eleven, and this year the team is
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Speaker 3: undefeated heading into state playoffs. Travis and Leslie Turner married
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Speaker 3: two thousand and one and have three children, sons Bailey
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Speaker 3: twenty three and grade and twenty and daughter Brindley eleven.
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Speaker 3: Bailey played quarterback and is currently a physical education teacher
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Speaker 3: at the school and serves on the football coaching staff.
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Speaker 3: Graydon is in the Army and Brinley is in the
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Speaker 3: sixth grade.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Robyn Lawson from the sp Virginia
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Speaker 1: State Police.
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Speaker 9: The Virginia State Police has obtained ten warrants from missing
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Speaker 9: high school football coach Travis L. Turner, forty six, of
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Speaker 9: Apple Turner is wanted on five counts of child pornography
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Speaker 9: and five counts of using a computer to solicit a minor.
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Speaker 9: The investigation is ongoing and additional charges are pending.
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Speaker 1: Letting me drink this in Joining me Crime Stories investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter Dave mac Dave Okay. Hold on coach Turner. Travis Turner,
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Speaker 1: former high school football star, quarterback, capturing three state titles.
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Speaker 1: Now the head football coach Union High. That's Wise County, Virginia.
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Speaker 1: He's been there since two thy eleven. Right now his
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Speaker 1: team is undefeated and heading to state playoffs. His son
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Speaker 1: is a football star, his father is a football star,
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Speaker 1: and now his son is a pe teacher and is
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Speaker 1: a football coach with him. Do I have that all right?
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Speaker 1: Dave met What more can you tell me?
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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, you have everything exactly right. The frustrating part
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Speaker 10: of all of this, Nancy, is what you started with
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Speaker 10: at the beginning of the show, talking about football, because
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Speaker 10: you know, in reality, this is another teacher that is
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Speaker 10: sexually abusing or attempting to sexually abuse children that are
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Speaker 10: in their charge. We don't know the ages of the children.
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Speaker 10: He's accused of possessing pictures of or attempting to contact
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Speaker 10: other than knowing they're minors. But Nancy, we do shows
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Speaker 10: all the time about teachers involved with students. Do we
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Speaker 10: not have a class at the beginning of a year
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Speaker 10: telling all the teachers and coaches don't touch the kids.
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Speaker 1: So this is a dynasty and it goes way far
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Speaker 1: back and is going into the future. His father football star,
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Speaker 1: his son football star, on the coaching staff at the
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Speaker 1: high school with the crime stories. With Nancy Grace, doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall joining us, let me introduce her, properly renowned
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction. You can see her
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Speaker 1: now on peacock. She is an author of deal Breakers,
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Speaker 1: which is on Amazon. You can find her at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethanymarshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, This is going to be
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Speaker 1: a hard nut to crack. You know why, because when
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Speaker 1: you pull Gurrors in for an ultimate jury trial, this guy,
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Speaker 1: either they're going to know him personally, or they're going
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Speaker 1: to know his wife, who's very active in the football
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Speaker 1: community and the community at large, his sons. He's also
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Speaker 1: got a daughter who's in high school right now, middle school,
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Speaker 1: his father. They have an excellent reputation in the community,
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Speaker 1: and it's going to be very difficult for them to
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Speaker 1: believe this guy did anything of the sword. They would
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Speaker 1: probably fall for someone with zany conspiracy theory, like the
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Speaker 1: child porn was planted on his computer. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: could see somebody actually believing that.
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Speaker 5: I agree with you, Nancy. The whole community is probably
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Speaker 5: still in denial at this point. And we saw this
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Speaker 5: with Jerry Sandusky Larry Nasser with the Catholic priests. Is
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Speaker 5: that older white males typically are protected when child pornography
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Speaker 5: charges are brought against them. It is just so typical.
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Speaker 5: But Nancy, think about the broader story here. Who was
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Speaker 5: this guy's soliciting. Was it some under eight minor at
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Speaker 5: the school there? Did that minor go to their parents?
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Speaker 5: Did the parents then pull on that thread go to
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Speaker 5: the administration? Were their complaints brought to the administration about
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Speaker 5: coach Travis but those complaints went ignored? We're going to
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Speaker 5: learn so much about this. Are there a group of
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Speaker 5: child predators in that community or in that state who
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Speaker 5: are sharing images back and forth? We saw, you know,
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Speaker 5: with Jerry Sandusky, Nancy, once the charges were brought against him,
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Speaker 5: Remember all the kids he coached started coming out of
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Speaker 5: the woodwork and saying, oh, yeah, you know, he asked
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Speaker 5: me to take a shower with him, and I thought
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Speaker 5: was kind of strange, But then I just decided, you know,
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Speaker 5: just to ignore it because he was my coach and
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Speaker 5: I wanted to play on the team. Who is going
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Speaker 5: to come forward in this case. My hope is that
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Speaker 5: every parent of a child in that school is going
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Speaker 5: to sit down with their kid and ask about their
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Speaker 5: interactions with this coach so they can determine if their
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Speaker 5: child has been a victim and give them the appropriate
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Speaker 5: support they need.
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Speaker 1: To Mark Tate joining us high profile defense lawyer with
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Speaker 1: the Tate Law Group, Mark Tate, this is a defense
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Speaker 1: attorney's dream come true to be defending a veteran football
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Speaker 1: coach who has touched the lives of thousands of students,
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Speaker 1: of thousands of families in a good way. His father
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Speaker 1: the same, his son the same, his wife the same.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to walk in this courtroom with
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Speaker 1: basically a halo, a halo over their heads.
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Speaker 6: We faced this kind of problem when we were pursuing
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Speaker 6: the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts and absolutely juries
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Speaker 6: and judges and the community especially in large Catholic communities
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Speaker 6: or a large community that has a lot of people
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Speaker 6: involved in scouting. You have a definite bias in favor
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Speaker 6: of what we think is the perpetrator and against accusers.
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Speaker 6: They simply people simply don't want to believe that this
22:50
Speaker 6: kind of thing could happen in their own community to
22:52
Speaker 6: people they trust. And so a defense lawyer can certainly
22:56
Speaker 6: use that to his or her advantage in presenting their
23:02
Speaker 6: defense to this case. And so I think the prosecutors
23:07
Speaker 6: will be armed with fantastic research and development of the
23:13
Speaker 6: charges against him, and I think that there's experience in
23:17
Speaker 6: doing it, and I think that I think that that
23:20
Speaker 6: bias is something to be aware of, But I think
23:22
Speaker 6: they can overcome it given this situation, because as equally
23:25
Speaker 6: hard as they support him, they can turn hard against
23:28
Speaker 6: him when they start to see facts that are unrefutable.
23:31
Speaker 2: As the team heads into playoffs without their leader, tension rises.
23:35
Speaker 2: In Wise County. The school district suspends an employee with pay,
23:40
Speaker 2: sparking speculation that the missing coach, Travis Turner, is involved.
23:47
Speaker 1: So too, Samantha Allen joining us WCYB. The other individual
23:52
Speaker 1: at the high school was only suspended with pay.
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Speaker 4: Yes, confirmed, if that was exactly Turner. Of course you
24:02
Speaker 4: can make a speculation and decide for yourself that the
24:07
Speaker 4: employee that was put on paid leave is Travis Turner,
24:10
Speaker 4: but it still has been yet to be confirmed for
24:14
Speaker 4: the VSP, so the Virginia State Police have yet to
24:16
Speaker 4: confirm if that is exactly the employee that was put
24:20
Speaker 4: on leave.
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Speaker 1: Dave mac Crime Stories, I understood that one employee was
24:25
Speaker 1: put on leave and they were going to interrogate Coach
24:29
Speaker 1: Turner when he disappeared. But she's right, that could be
24:34
Speaker 1: one in the same right. I mean, what you don't
24:38
Speaker 1: get fired for claims you have child porn on your computer,
24:42
Speaker 1: you just get suspended with pay.
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Speaker 10: Well, you've got an investigation going, that's the whole point.
24:47
Speaker 10: I believe that what we're talking about is the same person.
24:51
Speaker 10: The investigators were headed to his house to talk to him.
24:55
Speaker 10: They didn't have arrest Warren or anything for him at
24:58
Speaker 10: the time. They were merely going to investigate the allegations
25:02
Speaker 10: that they had been that they'd heard about. And while
25:05
Speaker 10: they were on the way, that's when we don't know. See,
25:09
Speaker 10: we don't know Nancy did something call him.
25:12
Speaker 1: Day run you and the Disney princesses can keep singing that.
25:17
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's all together. Facts sounds like fiction.
25:21
Speaker 1: Mark Tape. Please. They're on their way in their patrol
25:25
Speaker 1: car to his house to talk to him about child
25:30
Speaker 1: porn claims hgwln. They were going to arrest him. Why
25:36
Speaker 1: are we pretending, Oh, they're going to arrest him.
25:40
Speaker 6: I think that's exactly right. And who knows if he
25:42
Speaker 6: got the tip off. And I think the important thing
25:45
Speaker 6: to recall, and I'm certainly not criticizing for this, but
25:48
Speaker 6: there's a family lawyer who represents them, who's already in play,
25:53
Speaker 6: and I know that that lawyer wouldn't condone in any
25:55
Speaker 6: way someone becoming a fugitive. But we know that when
26:00
Speaker 6: the police get there, this family lawyer, should he be
26:04
Speaker 6: involved at that point's going to tell, you know, the
26:07
Speaker 6: coach not to be talking. And so you know, i's
26:11
Speaker 6: if he's afraid to do that, thinking he is going
26:13
Speaker 6: to get arrested either way. Much he is, he's got
26:16
Speaker 6: a head to the woods.
26:19
Speaker 1: Mark Tate. Earlier, you said maybe he was tipped off. Okay,
26:25
Speaker 1: So while Ellie law Enforcement, Virginia State Police are on
26:29
Speaker 1: their way ninety to his place to talk to him.
26:34
Speaker 1: He suddenly goes on a solo walk into the woods
26:37
Speaker 1: with a gun. Yes, he was tipped off. They're coming
26:41
Speaker 1: to get you. Now. Who could have done that? Oh?
26:45
Speaker 1: Somebody within the police force. Could it have been someone
26:48
Speaker 1: he coached, that played on his team. That bears an
26:53
Speaker 1: investigation right there? How did he know it could be?
26:56
Speaker 6: Obviously anybody who asks sufficient knowledge about it? Absolutely well, yeah.
27:00
Speaker 1: But they had to be within the police department because
27:02
Speaker 1: they had to know cops are on the way to
27:06
Speaker 1: talk to him. As Samantha Allen said, Samantha, also, we
27:10
Speaker 1: have searched and searched for the actual charges, the verbatim charges.
27:15
Speaker 1: I was looking hoping to find the age of the
27:19
Speaker 1: alleged victims in this case. Couldn't find them. And I
27:22
Speaker 1: believe that it is because there has not been a
27:24
Speaker 1: grand jury proceeding charging him. There is not a formal indictment.
27:29
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yes? No, yes, correct, there's not a
27:36
Speaker 1: formal indictment. So when we say there are five charges
27:39
Speaker 1: of childhorn and five charges regarding soliciting a minor on
27:44
Speaker 1: a computer for sex, those are police charges. For instance.
27:51
Speaker 1: You know, Samantha Allen, you and I get into bar fight.
27:54
Speaker 1: I crack you on the head with a bottle. First
27:57
Speaker 1: of all, police arrest me on charges of aggravators saw
28:00
Speaker 1: with a broken bottle. That's the first thing. Then it
28:02
Speaker 1: goes to a grand jury where they hear evidence and
28:05
Speaker 1: they issue a formal indictment. So the charges we're talking
28:08
Speaker 1: about tonight are police charges. Is that correct?
28:13
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, it's done investiation, it's still ongoing.
28:18
Speaker 1: Now I want to talk to you about a subtle
28:20
Speaker 1: but critical discrepancy. We are now being told through the
28:25
Speaker 1: family lawyer that Turner, excuse me, undefeated football coach Travis
28:31
Speaker 1: Turner goes into the woods and sweatsuit and a gun.
28:36
Speaker 1: But isn't it true on the police report there was
28:39
Speaker 1: no mention of a gun.
28:42
Speaker 4: Yes, so the police report just says grace sweatshirt, graceweatpants,
28:47
Speaker 4: and glasses. And then we hear throughout rumors throughout the
28:51
Speaker 4: whole entire week that he was carrying a firearmy he
28:54
Speaker 4: went into the woods. Then we get a statement from
28:56
Speaker 4: the attorney that was released saying nothing about what he
29:00
Speaker 4: was wearing. Just yes, he walked into the woods with
29:03
Speaker 4: a firearm. The firearm is undisclosed. We don't know what
29:06
Speaker 4: he walked in with or who saw him that is
29:09
Speaker 4: not told to us. We have no clue who saw
29:12
Speaker 4: him walk into the woods or where they got the information,
29:14
Speaker 4: and we've asked the attorney for clarification and he's yet
29:17
Speaker 4: to give it to us.
29:18
Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, don't you think that that as a critical
29:24
Speaker 1: fact that was not in the police report. Why was
29:28
Speaker 1: it not in the police report? I don't believe it's
29:31
Speaker 1: because police forgot. I don't believe they were told about
29:34
Speaker 1: the gun at the get go.
29:37
Speaker 7: Yeah, that certainly would be the case, because you know,
29:40
Speaker 7: all too often, especially when you're searching for a fugitive,
29:44
Speaker 7: police are going to release information that somebody is expected
29:47
Speaker 7: to be armed, you know, so the public is aware
29:51
Speaker 7: of that. So I would think that if it were
29:53
Speaker 7: included to police on the outset, that that would have
29:56
Speaker 7: been initially reported by police.
30:00
Speaker 1: I mean, IRV Brandt, you're the former senior inspector with
30:03
Speaker 1: the US Marshall Service International Investigations. For Pete's sake, isn't
30:07
Speaker 1: that an important fact that you would want the public
30:10
Speaker 1: to note at the very beginning. Don't approach this guy.
30:14
Speaker 1: He's armed.
30:16
Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy, that's exactly right. Determining the suspect's potent potential
30:24
Speaker 8: for violence and public safety is foremost in law enforcement
30:29
Speaker 8: efforts and conducting a fugitive investigation, and we always warn
30:35
Speaker 8: the public not to approach a fugitive. I mean, even
30:40
Speaker 8: if there is no indication of a firearm, it's safer
30:45
Speaker 8: to assume that someone has access to a firearm, and
30:50
Speaker 8: we don't want the general public to endanger their lives
30:55
Speaker 8: while trying to assist law enforcement.
30:57
Speaker 3: The United States Marshall Service joins the hunt for Still,
31:00
Speaker 3: listed as a missing person having last been seen November twentieth.
31:04
Speaker 3: The Marshall Service is offering a reward of up to
31:06
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars. Tips can be reported to nine one one,
31:09
Speaker 3: the Virginia State Police, the United States Marshall Service one
31:13
Speaker 3: eight seven seven Wanted two, or online US marshalls dot
31:17
Speaker 3: gov forward slash tips. Authorities said he may be armed,
31:21
Speaker 3: so caution is advised. Travis Turner's biggest fan and supporter
31:24
Speaker 3: is his wife, Leslie. Or Facebook page is a place
31:27
Speaker 3: where Union High football fans gather online to get updates
31:31
Speaker 3: on the team. Leslie regularly encourages the team on her page,
31:34
Speaker 3: including one post five days before Turner disappeared game day.
31:38
Speaker 3: Good luck to my guys today and to all of
31:41
Speaker 3: Union's football team and coaches. After Turner vanishes, Leslie posts,
31:46
Speaker 3: I just wanted to get on here for a second
31:48
Speaker 3: to clear up something. As of right now, ten twenty
31:50
Speaker 3: five pm on Friday night, Travis is missing and that's
31:54
Speaker 3: all we know. We love him and need him here
31:57
Speaker 3: with us. Thank you to everyone who has reached out
32:00
Speaker 3: out with love and support. It means more than you know.
32:03
Speaker 3: Just keep praying that he comes home. The post was deleted.
32:06
Speaker 3: A short time later.
32:09
Speaker 1: The mom his wife, Leslie, the mother of his three children,
32:12
Speaker 1: posting about Turner vanishing, but then she deletes that and
32:17
Speaker 1: says this.
32:19
Speaker 3: As the search for Travis Turner continues, wife Leslie shuts
32:22
Speaker 3: down her social media and has only made one public
32:26
Speaker 3: comment saying none of that is true. He's a good
32:29
Speaker 3: dad and a good husband and we want him home.
32:32
Speaker 1: That's it. I want to talk about the search, the
32:34
Speaker 1: ongoing search for football coach, the undefeated coach, Travis Turner,
32:39
Speaker 1: But first I want to understand the charges five counts
32:43
Speaker 1: of child porn, five counts using computer to solicit a minor.
32:49
Speaker 1: First of all, he has been referred to as the
32:52
Speaker 1: perv coach, the pedo co coach. But to doctor Bethany
32:58
Speaker 1: Marshall explain to me, desire a guy in his position
33:03
Speaker 1: working with children would have to see children being abused, molested,
33:09
Speaker 1: or children naked.
33:12
Speaker 5: Well, he's going to have a very specific offending pattern
33:15
Speaker 5: which will come out in the grand jury and when
33:18
Speaker 5: we learn more about this story. But usually pedophiles, if
33:21
Speaker 5: the allegations are true, generally like pre pubescent children, and
33:27
Speaker 5: when the children turn thirteen or fourteen, they age out,
33:30
Speaker 5: they're no longer desirable or they like to have power
33:35
Speaker 5: over miners, and then that's a part of the offending pattern.
33:38
Speaker 5: Imagining that a fourteen, fifteen or sixteen year old girl
33:41
Speaker 5: or boy could be a boyfriend or a girlfriend. But
33:44
Speaker 5: what happens with these perpetrators is that they can only
33:48
Speaker 5: become sexually aroused through relationships with children, right, So they
33:54
Speaker 5: want to see children naked, They want to see children
33:56
Speaker 5: maybe in the showers, in the locker room, they want
33:59
Speaker 5: to pass in around And what happens is they need
34:02
Speaker 5: more and more to stimulate their arousal, So the images
34:07
Speaker 5: become more and more sensationalized, so they might start out
34:12
Speaker 5: just with a picture of a baby or a picture
34:14
Speaker 5: of a miner, and then they want to see a
34:16
Speaker 5: miner having sex with another miner, and then it just
34:19
Speaker 5: sort of escalates from there. I think probably what happened
34:23
Speaker 5: in this case similar likes. Let's say Robert Morris, who
34:27
Speaker 5: was a pastor, he founded Gateway Church. He blested children
34:31
Speaker 5: for years, okay, he predated on miners, and all the
34:35
Speaker 5: deacons in the church surrounded him and protected him. And
34:39
Speaker 5: it took one girl that he molested in the eighties
34:42
Speaker 5: who came out last year wrote a letter and exposed him.
34:46
Speaker 5: And she got the threats from the deacons in the
34:50
Speaker 5: church because she wanted to expose him, but she was brave.
34:53
Speaker 5: She went forward, she did expose him, and now he's
34:56
Speaker 5: left the church and you know, has been brought upon
34:59
Speaker 5: charges and all.
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious to Bethany, mister, whether this inclination starts
35:07
Speaker 1: early on. It's very difficult when you have a famous,
35:11
Speaker 1: even just locally famous icon charged any case like this.
35:16
Speaker 1: And let me refer everyone to the hit reality series
35:20
Speaker 1: Nineteen Kids and Counting. Remember the Dugger family that had
35:26
Speaker 1: I think it ended up with like twenty children okay,
35:29
Speaker 1: listen to this.
35:30
Speaker 11: Our son Josh came to us on his own and
35:34
Speaker 11: he was crying, and he had just turned fourteen, and
35:39
Speaker 11: he said that he had actually improperly touched some of
35:43
Speaker 11: our daughters. He said he was just curious about girls,
35:47
Speaker 11: and he had gone in and just basically touched them
35:50
Speaker 11: over their clothes while they were sleeping. They didn't even
35:52
Speaker 11: know he had done it. None of the victims were
35:54
Speaker 11: aware of what happened until Joshua confessed.
35:57
Speaker 4: And then it wasn't like we.
35:58
Speaker 11: Were keeping a secret afraid or then it was we
36:00
Speaker 11: didn't know until josh explained to my parents.
36:05
Speaker 1: That from the Kelly file. Now that was when Douger
36:10
Speaker 1: was fourteen years old. Nothing was done, all right, it
36:17
Speaker 1: was swept under the rug. And then fast forward a
36:21
Speaker 1: few years.
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Speaker 12: This we were able to get from this IP address
36:27
Speaker 12: one specific video of child pornography and one folder containing
36:31
Speaker 12: approximately sixty five images of child pornography from a specific
36:35
Speaker 12: IP address. We served a federal summons for that IP address.
36:39
Speaker 12: That IP address came back to Ozark's Go okay with
36:42
Speaker 12: a subscriber of Josh A dugerm with cell phone. I'm
36:47
Speaker 12: assuming that personal cell phone with that email address that
36:51
Speaker 12: you just mentioned.
36:53
Speaker 1: So, doctor Methanie, it started that we know of of
36:56
Speaker 1: him molesting his sisters at fourteen, that's when we find
37:01
Speaker 1: out about it. And then fast forward when he's got
37:04
Speaker 1: a wife and a family, he's downloading child porn. Sound familiar.
37:08
Speaker 1: So does this start when you're a child? Yes, it does.
37:13
Speaker 5: Pedophilia is considered like a fixed arousal pattern that is
37:18
Speaker 5: there from birth. Now, it's hard to really measure because
37:21
Speaker 5: children under the age of five, six or seven don't
37:23
Speaker 5: draw sexual images, don't talk about sex, so it doesn't
37:27
Speaker 5: really emerge until later in life. But you know, the
37:29
Speaker 5: most common age of a child molester is age thirteen,
37:33
Speaker 5: and Josh Dugger was fourteen at this point. And the
37:36
Speaker 5: reason for that is that's when they become aware of sex,
37:42
Speaker 5: and that's when they begin to molest, and that's when
37:45
Speaker 5: they have access to siblings, to classmates, to things like that.
37:49
Speaker 5: But see we see again here that the community protected
37:52
Speaker 5: him and he went on to molest even.
37:55
Speaker 1: More well, speaking of the community protecting him and someone
37:58
Speaker 1: being famous, who's she child a luster? Do I even
38:02
Speaker 1: have to say? Former Subway Sandwich pitch man Jared Fogel
38:08
Speaker 1: listen to Fogel caught on tape.
38:11
Speaker 6: Yeah, middove the middle school girl.
38:15
Speaker 1: Starting to you know, yeah, because you know how much
38:18
Speaker 1: I love you.
38:19
Speaker 11: I love you.
38:22
Speaker 1: Guys. Did you hear Jared Fogel, the subway pitch guy.
38:26
Speaker 1: He lost two hundred and forty five pounds eating nothing
38:28
Speaker 1: but subway sandwiches and appeared in like three hundred subway commercials. Superstar. Yeah,
38:36
Speaker 1: especially at some of the middle school I love middle schools.
38:39
Speaker 1: The girls are just starting to get boobs, because you
38:42
Speaker 1: know how much I love big boobs. You know, I
38:45
Speaker 1: love huge tits. If I heard my son say the
38:50
Speaker 1: word tit, I don't care if he's six foot six,
38:53
Speaker 1: I would wash his mouth out with soap. And he
38:57
Speaker 1: goes on and on. Just paid plage. A little snippet
39:00
Speaker 1: of this perv Jared Foegel, the doggers what they and
39:06
Speaker 1: now this coach, who, by the way, is innocent until
39:09
Speaker 1: proven guilty. I want to talk about the search to
39:14
Speaker 1: IRV Brandt, joining US former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service
39:19
Speaker 1: International Investigations Branch. Do you remember the glam yoga coach?
39:24
Speaker 1: Remember her, Caitlin Armstrong. She murdered a world class dirt
39:30
Speaker 1: bike rider, gorgeous young girl. Yeah, there's the yoga instructor
39:35
Speaker 1: right there, and she was spotted on airport video and
39:40
Speaker 1: it was totally her. Oh there you go with her
39:44
Speaker 1: yoga mat ding ding ding. It's me, everybody here, I
39:48
Speaker 1: am the yoga instructor with a yoga mat. So I
39:51
Speaker 1: guess the first thing you do is go to the
39:53
Speaker 1: airport's IRV.
39:56
Speaker 8: That's exactly right, Nancy. And as you were talking about
40:00
Speaker 8: this was the first case that came to mind was
40:03
Speaker 8: Armstrong case. When you start a fugitive investigation, you don't
40:08
Speaker 8: start it on any assumptions an unreliable witness saying that,
40:14
Speaker 8: I mean, you investigate all possible leads, of course, but
40:17
Speaker 8: you don't, you know, concentrate your entire efforts. You're going
40:21
Speaker 8: to put out the bolos to different states. You're going
40:24
Speaker 8: to flag passports, you're gonna check dls, You're going to
40:29
Speaker 8: look for all vehicles associated with the suspect and also
40:34
Speaker 8: the suspects family and also the suspects friends to see
40:37
Speaker 8: if any of gone missing. And just like in the
40:40
Speaker 8: Armstrong case, it wasn't her passport that they found had
40:48
Speaker 8: left the country. It was her sister's passport that had
40:51
Speaker 8: left the country and she was still in the country.
40:55
Speaker 8: So it's very similar the cases. The way it's conducted
41:02
Speaker 8: goes along those same lines. You're gonna look for financial means,
41:06
Speaker 8: You're gonna search for tags on known vehicles. Uh, you're
41:11
Speaker 8: gonna you're gonna use every investigative tool that you have
41:15
Speaker 8: conducting this, uh, search locally than nationally, righting eventually internationally.
41:24
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, in a way to do that to BRYANUS
41:28
Speaker 1: Gibbons from USPA Nationwide Security. I want to find out this.
41:36
Speaker 1: Has he used his ATM? When was the last time
41:38
Speaker 1: he used his ATM? Where did he use it? Do
41:40
Speaker 1: I have a picture? How much did he withdraw? Did
41:43
Speaker 1: he do repeat withdraws? Because you know some ATMs you
41:45
Speaker 1: can only get, say two hundred dollars at a crack.
41:48
Speaker 1: Did he go into a line of credit to get
41:50
Speaker 1: more money? Has he used his credit cards? Where is
41:54
Speaker 1: his car? Has he used a rental car? Did he
41:57
Speaker 1: get a rental car even in a joining county beyond
42:01
Speaker 1: Wise County? Do we have video? What about license plate grabbers?
42:06
Speaker 1: I haven't heard a word about his car being missing.
42:09
Speaker 1: That tells me he's not in his car. He may
42:12
Speaker 1: be in another car. And also this search if they
42:17
Speaker 1: have brought out drones, cadaver dogs, scent dogs, everything, shoulder
42:26
Speaker 1: to shoulder searches, you name it, that tells me he
42:31
Speaker 1: wasn't in the woods to start with. So where is he?
42:33
Speaker 1: He's not on foot, I can tell you that much.
42:36
Speaker 1: He's not hiding out at somebody's house a sympathizer. So
42:39
Speaker 1: where is he? Where do we start? Kneel in a haystack?
42:43
Speaker 7: Well, what IRV Brandt just brought up is a very
42:46
Speaker 7: pression point here. The financial means that Travis Turner has
42:52
Speaker 7: are probably not great. So this, you know, how is
42:55
Speaker 7: he going to access funding to be on the run
42:57
Speaker 7: for law?
42:58
Speaker 1: Put him up?
42:59
Speaker 7: So that's that's something.
43:01
Speaker 1: You haven't heard of. A line of credit. I get
43:06
Speaker 1: a line of credit on your checking account. You can
43:09
Speaker 1: get one hundred grand out of a line of credit
43:11
Speaker 1: and be gone.
43:15
Speaker 3: Yeah.
43:15
Speaker 7: I just think that you know that this was an emergent. Uh,
43:20
Speaker 7: you know, he was tipped off that they were coming
43:23
Speaker 7: to his house to speak to him. That this wasn't
43:25
Speaker 7: a planned escape so to speak. So I think that
43:32
Speaker 7: this happened very quickly. I think that's gonna be Yeah,
43:39
Speaker 7: who knew that they were coming out there to speak
43:41
Speaker 7: to him? Who knew that law enforcement was on the way. Uh,
43:44
Speaker 7: they're certainly going to have some cell phone records that
43:48
Speaker 7: are available for who called and text communicated with his phone?
43:52
Speaker 7: And I think that they will uncover that in the
43:55
Speaker 7: in the coming.
43:56
Speaker 1: Days here, Okay, I think correct me if I'm wrong,
43:58
Speaker 1: saman The close airport is in Appalachia, Virginia, the Tri
44:04
Speaker 1: City's regional airport that's in Blountville, Tennessee. Is that right
44:08
Speaker 1: fifty nine miles away?
44:10
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, that is the closest airport.
44:15
Speaker 1: To get from his home to there. That's about at
44:20
Speaker 1: least an hour drive. How did he get there? If
44:23
Speaker 1: that's where he went. I don't see him flying, because
44:26
Speaker 1: wouldn't we have a register of that earth brand when
44:29
Speaker 1: you've already been spotted if you had taken a plane.
44:33
Speaker 8: It depends on the flight, Nancy. Of course, when you're
44:37
Speaker 8: flying domestically, all you need is a government ID. Then
44:41
Speaker 8: you investigators could check with TSA to see if he
44:46
Speaker 8: used a valid government ID to get into the airport.
44:52
Speaker 8: If he flew internationally, of course there'd be a record
44:55
Speaker 8: of that in texts. The Treasury Reinforcement.
44:58
Speaker 1: I don't see him flying, do you If I think
45:00
Speaker 1: he's somewhere else, I don't think you took a flight.
45:03
Speaker 8: I would not know, Nancy, like your other guests has said,
45:09
Speaker 8: it doesn't seem like this was planned out in advance.
45:15
Speaker 8: It was something that happened at the spur of the moment.
45:18
Speaker 8: So most fugitives are going to avoid places where there's camera, security,
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Speaker 8: police officers, and there's hardly any place in the country
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Speaker 8: that has more cameras and more police and more security
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Speaker 8: than an airport, and especially an international airport.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Samantha Allen, what's the temperature? What's your low
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Speaker 1: overnight in that area?
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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, it is like it's probably reached about twenty
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Speaker 4: six degrees and it is we got cold happening, so
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Speaker 4: it's like freezing cold rain.
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Speaker 1: So he is not out in the woods roughing it.
45:58
Speaker 1: I don't need to find out if he has taken
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Speaker 1: camping gear with him. He's somewhere else. He's probably hold
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Speaker 1: up at a local hotel, motel, hiding out not too close,
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Speaker 1: not too close, which means he's got help. Brian Fitzgibbons,
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Speaker 1: they better have a tap on everybody's phone because you
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Speaker 1: know Daddy's called home.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, certainly. And one piece that I want to add here, Nancy,
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Speaker 7: that I think we haven't really covered too much. These
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Speaker 7: charges are umbrella terms that are going to be standard
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Speaker 7: for any time someone's charged with possession of explicit child material.
46:39
Speaker 7: So this could have been something he found online, but
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Speaker 7: I think it may be more likely that it's somebody
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Speaker 7: from that high school, right, So investigators are going to
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Speaker 7: be on it could have been a text message exchange
46:51
Speaker 7: or things like that. So investigators are going to be
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Speaker 7: unraveling a weave of a network of people that knew
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Speaker 7: about this, that have communicated about it. So in the
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Speaker 7: coming days, I think we're gonna learn more about exactly
47:05
Speaker 7: what type of material it was, what the origin was,
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Speaker 7: and that network could shed some light on where.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray Mark tay, you know what
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Speaker 1: the defense is going to be because it's really hard
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Speaker 1: to argue that's not my computer in my office behind
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Speaker 1: the locked door. He's going to have to say, oh,
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Speaker 1: it just popped up. You know, in all the years
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Speaker 1: that I do research, I've never had child porn pop up,
47:43
Speaker 1: not once.
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Speaker 6: It's not a very good defense and I think possibly
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Speaker 6: they're going to have to if he ever gets in
47:52
Speaker 6: dieted it ever is found, I think that a more
47:55
Speaker 6: creative approach is going to have to possibly be found
47:58
Speaker 6: and maybe find a way to cross examine the forensic
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Speaker 6: folks who are going to have found this material and
48:05
Speaker 6: say other people had passwords, so that maybe show other
48:08
Speaker 6: people had access to the computer at work. But I
48:12
Speaker 6: think it's found on your computer. You have to find
48:15
Speaker 6: something else. Then it just popped up because it just
48:18
Speaker 6: doesn't work that way, and the forensic folks find that.
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Speaker 6: And I know this because we've found this kind of
48:24
Speaker 6: material as I've mentioned before in civil matters against Catholic
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Speaker 6: priests and rabbis and pediatricians, and so it happens, and
48:35
Speaker 6: it does not just pop up on your computer. It's
48:37
Speaker 6: an active search. The searches are traceable, and so that
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Speaker 6: defense is a failure. But again, this guy is still
48:45
Speaker 6: wandering and everybody's focused on airports and now type of
48:48
Speaker 6: security is there, Nancy, But there's an amtract station in Bristol,
48:53
Speaker 6: and those avenues amtrack are far less secure than an airplane.
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Speaker 6: But all of it gets back to getting in indicted
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Speaker 6: and then getting him in front of a jury with
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Speaker 6: a lawyer who can craft something to have one juror
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Speaker 6: say I've got a reason to doubt these charges. It's
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Speaker 6: going to be an.
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Speaker 1: Interesting Right about Amtrak.
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Speaker 6: I look forward to.
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Speaker 1: It, and Amtrak is cheap and you don't have to
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Speaker 1: go through a lot of security. I don't know that
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Speaker 1: you even have to show ID to buy a ticket
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Speaker 1: in cash. You can go ticket am track. Yeah, all
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Speaker 1: the way across the country, of course, which would leave
49:35
Speaker 1: somewhat of a trail if they've got video surveillance in
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Speaker 1: the Amtrak station. But you could go all the way
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Speaker 1: across the country for under two hundred dollars without a trail,
49:44
Speaker 1: a trail that you would leave at the airport. But
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Speaker 1: you know, Mark take this is not the first time
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Speaker 1: Union High School has had to deal with sex allegations
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Speaker 1: against a coach or teacher.
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Speaker 6: Right, that's exactly right. I think that's fascinating. That's the
50:01
Speaker 6: kind of thing obviously that plaintiffs lawyer, a lawyer pursuing
50:06
Speaker 6: civil remedies for this kind of thing looks to. And
50:09
Speaker 6: this high school has this fellow, another football coach, Timothy
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Speaker 6: Lee Metter, who pled guilty or was convicted of child solicitation,
50:17
Speaker 6: of soliciting a minor for sexual or inappropriate purposes. So
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Speaker 6: it's not the first time that that Union High school
50:26
Speaker 6: has had a problem, and you know there may be
50:28
Speaker 6: a deeper issue involved. Obviously that's something that should and
50:33
Speaker 6: will be investigated. What exactly is going on there? Why
50:37
Speaker 6: is this a repeat situation? The Metter guy was about
50:40
Speaker 6: twenty years younger than the actual head coach. But there's
50:44
Speaker 6: something bizarre at that high school from my viewpoint, trying
50:49
Speaker 6: to hold people accountable other than this man who has disappeared.
50:53
Speaker 1: And you know, another thing about what you're saying, Mark
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Speaker 1: is the same lawyer, this same lawyer who represented Timothy Matter,
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Speaker 1: the previous coach, last teacher at the same high school
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Speaker 1: that pled guilty to indi cent liberties with the minor.
51:12
Speaker 1: He got a light sentence about a year and three
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Speaker 1: months and then he was out free. He gets a
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Speaker 1: slap on the wrist, same high school. And now this
51:21
Speaker 1: happens and within the same school district, which is Wise County,
51:26
Speaker 1: the same county. There's another guy, a teacher arrested on
51:30
Speaker 1: three counts carnal knowledge. That was Tyler J. Tibbs, a
51:35
Speaker 1: social studies teacher at Coburn Middle so you know, doctor
51:40
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. That makes it worse as far as the
51:43
Speaker 1: Union high goes, because they should have been on high
51:46
Speaker 1: alert after Meadows.
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Speaker 5: Yes, they should have. There's two kinds of cultures when
51:51
Speaker 5: it comes to these kinds of crimes. A culture who
51:53
Speaker 5: supports the children and a culture like what we saw
51:57
Speaker 5: in the Catholic Church who supports the adults and cannot
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Speaker 5: believe that a child molester is a child molester. But Nancy,
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Speaker 5: I want to go back to him being a fugitive.
52:06
Speaker 5: I am going to guess if the family hired the
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Speaker 5: same attorney that they knew that there was an investigation
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Speaker 5: going on, that the family was talking about this, and
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Speaker 5: the family probably has information on dad, father spouse on
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Speaker 5: whether or not he was making any preparations that were
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Speaker 5: unusual or out of the ordinary for him, like as
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Speaker 5: you said, getting cash, Was he talking about other states
52:33
Speaker 5: anything like that. They could be a treasure trove of information.
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Speaker 1: As we go to air tonight, football coach Travis Turner
52:42
Speaker 1: is presumed innocent. His team has gone on to win again.
52:48
Speaker 1: They remain undefeated even in his absence. If you know
52:55
Speaker 1: or think you know anything about what happened. If you
52:59
Speaker 1: know a child that may have been a victim, if
53:02
Speaker 1: you know where he is or where he's headed, if
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Speaker 1: you think you've seen him, please call Virginia State Police
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Speaker 1: two seven six four eight four nine four eight three,
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Speaker 1: or you can always call the US Marshall Service one
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Speaker 1: eight seven seven wanted. That's one eight seven seven nine
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Speaker 1: two six eight three three two. There was a five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars reward for Travis Turner. And now we remember
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Speaker 1: an American Hero Guard Member Sarah Bestrom West Virginia National Guard,
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Speaker 1: just twenty years old, shot in the line of duty,
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Speaker 1: leaving behind her grieving father Gary. American Hero Guard Member
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Speaker 1: Sarah Beckstrom. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,